CGTalk - Character WIP: Darkelf Warrior [Crit]

Cryo_RO

11-07-2002, 01:28 PM

Whoa!!!
one of the best muscle definition i ever saw on a model , very , very nice!
But if you plan on making him an archer , maybe he should be a little thinner , that's how elves are after all. Of course that is totaly up to you , the model just rocks!

Joril

11-07-2002, 01:56 PM

Needs less bulckyness.

SGT.Squeaks

11-07-2002, 03:44 PM

I like him I think it's great. So he's a tough elf. Why does he have to be like every other elf and be skinny. I think its very unique as an elf because he's not skinny and slender. I wouldn't make him skinny, I think he look great.

Crash

11-07-2002, 06:33 PM

heh guys you mixed up the species, Manfred indicated that this guy is a Drow not an surface elf,he's not nice and surelly not very skinny, looks like Zaknafein or Dinin to me :beer:
If you make the equipment with such grace as the body, than the Mithril Hall is your for the taking :p Good job me'lad :)

SirManfred

11-07-2002, 10:05 PM

Thanks guys :)
Here is an update on the facial work.

http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn18.jpg
Crits please :)

SirManfred

11-08-2002, 01:07 AM

Arms anatomy updated:
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn22.jpg

SirManfred

11-08-2002, 01:10 AM

Ahem...
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn23.jpg

SirManfred

11-08-2002, 01:43 AM

http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn24.jpg
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn25.jpg

Joril

11-08-2002, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by SGT.Squeaks
I like him I think it's great. So he's a tough elf. Why does he have to be like every other elf and be skinny. I think its very unique as an elf because he's not skinny and slender. I wouldn't make him skinny, I think he look great.

What's the damn point in calling it an elf if it doesn't have elf features?
Looks more like a Vulcan than an Elf.

SirManfred

11-08-2002, 02:09 AM

Here are a few GI test renders
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn26b.jpg
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn27b.jpg
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn28b.jpg
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn29b.jpg

Joril: This guy is from an evil tribe. They are darkelfs, not like ordinary woodelfs. These are evil. This particullar one has his muscles because he is a warrior, he is not an archer, he do close combat with sword or other close combat weapons. He also needs his muscles to carry the heavy armor im going to give him.

Thanks anyways for replying.

SGT.Squeaks

11-08-2002, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Joril
What's the damn point in calling it an elf if it doesn't have elf features?
Looks more like a Vulcan than an Elf.

Why copy every other elf thats been created? ever heard of ORIGINALITY? Since when has blizzard and weta had a monolpoly on elven design? in fact, in the lord of the rings book it doesn't even mention elves having pointy ears and elves were over 6 feet tall. In recent fantasy worlds like the Forgotten Realms elves grow to a maximum height of 5'4. And in viking times they believed elves had wings. So tell me why can't his elf workout and be a little bit stronger than all the other elves?

I am very surprised that more people have not responded to this. It looks like you spent a lot of time on it and thus far it looks great.

Remi

11-08-2002, 04:19 PM

I'm sorry but I don't remember elves being this bulky. They're more of a slender ~ flowing curves type of creature. Correct me if i'm wrong.:shrug:

Tellerve

11-08-2002, 04:23 PM

I love that people are arguing on how elves look. I mean, sheesh, last time I was in Ireland I spoke to some leprechauns who showed me to the enchanted forest. Now the bus fare was kinda expensive but let me tell ya, tons of elves were there. We partied hard there and I met tons of them, great guys and gals the lot of them.

Ok, I just had to do that...the insanity of people claiming that "this" is what an elf looks like is silly as there are no elves, people! They are a mythical being up to interpretation.

I think he looks pretty thin to me, granted highly defined and muscled but still he isn't some comic style brick or lead man. I do think he needs some more lines above his brow for when he scowls at the surface elves and the arms to me seem too long. But then again, maybe drow elves in his mind have longer arms than I think they should.

Anyways, don't mean to ruffle anyones feathers, 'cause I'm sure someone is going to twist in their seat. I just had to write about the silliness of it all.

Tellerve

SGT.Squeaks

11-08-2002, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Tellerve

Ok, I just had to do that...the insanity of people claiming that "this" is what an elf looks like is silly as there are no elves, people! They are a mythical being up to interpretation.

Tellerve

My point exactly!!!! An elf is whatever you want it to be.

This thread does sound nerdy doesn't it.

spr0g

11-08-2002, 10:53 PM

hey manfred, nice work.

ignore people arguing about what the hell an elf looks like... they are going by traditional drawings for childrens fairy tails. who knows what an elf would look like if they ever exist.

all I am going to say is that the modelling is damn nice. :thumbsup:

Amaan

11-09-2002, 05:48 AM

hey Sir_Manfred

pretty cool work so far. My only input on the subject would be to keep on going the way you are going. In the end, do a spectacular render and everyone will take notice of *your* rendition of an elf :)

btw, I'd work some more on the forearms. his biceps/triceps/elbows are look good.

Amaan

bored alien

11-09-2002, 06:10 AM

I think you're probably working your way down, but you didn't mention it, so I think the legs need work in relation to the rest of the model that we can see, which looks fantastic. :thumbsup:

Opeth

11-09-2002, 06:39 AM

nice work.. here's where i see some error:
the back muscles, while very niceley done, have some sharp edges which should be smoothed out.
the sides of the torso, where the ribs are, are usualy alot less bumpy & more strait lined when looked at from the front or side.

hope this helps.

SirManfred

11-09-2002, 01:19 PM

Thanks for your replys, guys :)
i got some very useful comments from you.
I will look into the things you mentioned and i promise to post the next update as soon as its ready. :bounce:
Keep on workin! I know i will ;)

SirManfred

11-11-2002, 12:09 AM

Update:
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn30.jpg
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn31.jpg
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn32.jpg

SirManfred

11-11-2002, 01:12 AM

Ok, one more for tonight
Here is a GI test
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn35b.jpg

dagann

11-11-2002, 01:56 PM

i see yu 've worked on the face...
I like it...
He looks a bit older, but he is more expressive...

Could we have a wire?

SirManfred

11-11-2002, 02:36 PM

Here are some wireframes:
Warning: Big image size

http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgnwire02.jpg
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgnwire03.jpg
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgnwire04.jpg

Best regards! :bounce: :bounce:

dagann

11-11-2002, 02:52 PM

Thx man...

Titan

11-11-2002, 03:52 PM

Wow Manfred, this is the tightest thing i've ever seen you do!!!

its looking really good...congrats, not to sound condescending, but I remember when you were just starting out...

really excellent man!! (I'm jealous, need to get off my lazy ass and finish some models;)) :applause:

k2skier

11-12-2002, 08:57 PM

looks good so far but I think that his wrists could use a bunch of work.

Gkaine

11-12-2002, 10:56 PM

hi , i am semi new to modeling but i have gotten the hang of it this past few months, but something i dont understand about your model

you have 2 polygons connected to 1 polygon, as in you have 5 point polygons that look perfect connected to 4 point polygons and im not sure how youd id it and was wondering if there is some specila trick to it

http://www.purgatory.net/joe/question.jpg

blocks 1 and 2 are connected to 3, this NEVER works for me, you must reveale your secret:D

btw i use lightwave i hope u can do it in lightwave:P it would help me out so much

SirManfred

11-12-2002, 11:01 PM

Titan: Hey, man! Good to see you on this forum :)

Gkaine: I use 3dsmax. Ever since max4 there have been a modeling thingy called "Editable Poly". Its not like the ordinary mesh since the Editable Mesh can only have 3 points polygons. However the Editable Poly has no limits (at least i dont think so). That means that polygons in Editable Poly can have more than 3 points in each polygon. So i dont really know how to achieve this in Lightwave but there might be a trick or something.

SirManfred

11-13-2002, 02:13 AM

Ok then... a lil' update over here :)
I have been working on the legs and i also gave him a pair of feet.
I think i have to work more on the leg muscle area.
Ignore the groin area, he will having armor and clothing covering those parts so i didn't make any details there.

Enjoy :)

http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn38b.jpg

http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn39b.jpg

Best regards!

Frederik Sjölund.

bored alien

11-13-2002, 02:18 AM

that's great! :thumbsup: Main crit is that his calves look too big, but that might just be me. :shrug: (It might also be that his legs are a little short.) Great work

facial

11-13-2002, 02:29 AM

Sir_Manfred , You did good work, keep post up,mam
:thumbsup:

Setherial

11-13-2002, 08:02 AM

yo man, this is getting cooler by the minute, way better then what you showed me so far and the GI really brings out the best in him. I finally start to like him, LOT's !!

Love what you're doing to his face too, legs look great (although they miss ankles), posture is great, hands look great.
Good job mate !

David :airguitar

thedaemon

11-13-2002, 08:58 AM

very nice. his butt needs work. its looks very unmuscular for him. more like mine :applause:

the_jonas

11-13-2002, 11:59 AM

very very nice model u have there. realy realy cool but theres something that isnt right with the anatomy. i cant tell what but thers something. the arms might be placed too low, or the shoulders too high, but i dont know its very hard to tell

SirManfred

11-13-2002, 03:39 PM

Thanks for the comments and the crits :)
Here is a closeup on the face:
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn40b.jpg

feanor

11-13-2002, 04:10 PM

Hello,
this is damn good model. I like details on face, it's be a pleasure to animate him. I like the muscles on body soo, but may give some crits to wrists (bones & musc.) and foots, in this area:

Eclipse

11-13-2002, 06:47 PM

Wow, relly nice work, Sir_Manfred. That's (almost)perfect Drow model. But I want to see what armor and weapons will you make him. So, keep doing it :thumbsup:

bcole23

11-13-2002, 07:56 PM

Very nice model.

If he's a close combat warrior then put some thought into what type of weapon this guy would use. Huge muscles indicate a heavy weapon, and as the drow live underground and must fight in tight spaces, you must take that into account. For this I'd guess he'd use an axe, not really a common drow weapon, or a hammer, which is what I'd go with. However, a nice heavy sword would do nicely too.

One thing I would do is make his forearm muscles VERY defined. Someone who wields a weapon will have forearm muscles that are really cut.

To my mind, if you're going more for a Drizzt character, then you've got his proportions all wrong. I remember reading though, that there are this type of drow, however they are few and far between.

The kind of debate in this thread comes from a lack of backstory or character development prior to modeling. Not saying you haven't done it, but we don't know. Fill us in on the witherfores and whytoos about this guy.

Oh yeah, and as an underground creature, bigger eyes are the norm, take for instance Gollum.

Just my thoughts.
From a technical standpoint, it looks great and once you map him, he'll look wonderful.

Eclipse

11-13-2002, 08:26 PM

Hmmm, bcole23, I think this Drow's muscles aren't huge, but just good-shaped. And an elf(even dark)wearing an axe... All kind of elves are masters in using longsword and bows and some types of magic. Concerning to the bigger eyes-every elf has the "Infravision" ability and The Dark Elves has it, but much stronger than the normal(surface)elves. And he lives underground, yes, but he mustn't fight in tight places. The Dark Elves has created huge corridors and huger galleries(I mean RELLY huge). If you're interested in in this or other fantastic races or creatures, bcole23, you could learn more about ib by reading some D&D or AD&D DungenonMaster Creature Guide :bounce:

bcole23

11-14-2002, 02:32 PM

All the things I 'know' of drow elves is from the excellent Forgotten Realms, "Dark Elf Trilogy". But like I said, there's really nothing wrong with this and I think it's quite excellent. I guess my whole point was just some of the info I knew of drow elves and that backstory really helps to flesh out characters.

Eclipse

11-14-2002, 04:41 PM

Ok, no prob. I like the Forgotten Realms too, but it's not the only literature(and games :)) to obtain information from ;)

Matt_Forcum

11-15-2002, 12:42 AM

my beef is with the ears. they are a bit thin, and narrow. and lacking in detail.

also maybe some cranial bumps (i dont know the scientific term) along the sides of the forehead. Its just a little to perfect.

everything else looks great. good job!

SirManfred

11-15-2002, 02:15 AM

Here comes an update! *sings*
Ehm.. well, thanks for your comments and opinions.
Now... i have been working on some armor pieces.
Her we go:
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn44b.jpghttp://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn45b.jpg

Matt_Forcum

11-15-2002, 02:24 AM

You have some really great design elements in the helmet. Id go ahead and continue it through that decidedly plain looking shoulder piece. looking great though!

SirManfred

11-15-2002, 12:39 PM

Thanks :)
Im still not sure about it thoug... i think i have some more scetch work to do before i keep this up :)

Ed Bittner

11-15-2002, 01:17 PM

My only crit is his apparent "outty" belly button. No biggy 'though.
Ed

dagann

11-15-2002, 03:05 PM

Could yu explain us how yu make your helmet?

Y'd like to see its wire without smooth (yeah, i love wire:p)

The only criticism i can make is about the cheek guard which seems too pointed...

It could hurt him:scream:

SirManfred

11-15-2002, 05:33 PM

Here is another version of the helmet:
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn47b.jpghttp://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn48b.jpg

Eclipse

11-15-2002, 08:13 PM

Great helm, no doubt. But the shoulder armor piece looks unfitting. I think you must do it to look like the helm. However, the most of the heroes in these fantastic worlds are wearing armor sets(helms, armors, gloves, boots etc. of same tipe and sometimes name(Sir Manfred's Valor for example:))) Just make it more sharp and engraved like the helm, that's it :thumbsup:
Also I think that his skin must be a bit darker. The Drow has almost black skin with little blue spice(their black skin and pale hair are a curse for their allegiance with the spider goddess, Lolth). But I still think it's great model :D

SirManfred

11-16-2002, 12:54 AM

Played around a bit
http://gngd.jaggedpath.com/wip/kgn51.jpg

Lomi

11-16-2002, 02:16 AM

darkelf warrior: ahhh!!! im naked, and everyones looking at my nads :(

hehe, looks good, cant wait to see it when its finished :)

JBruckner

11-16-2002, 03:03 AM

More like someone just kicked him in the nads!

Eclipse

11-16-2002, 05:23 PM

Good, good, just keep doing him and his accessories ;)

Joebount

11-16-2002, 06:53 PM

STRIKE !!!
LOL excellent ! :D

Wiz-Wiz-Wiz

11-16-2002, 07:54 PM

Amazing work :)

Really cool model, don't know shit about elves, so cannot comment on that aspect, my one and only crit is the symetry of the body, break it up a little :)

SirManfred

11-21-2002, 12:26 PM

Sorry for the fact that i haven't updated this thread in a few days. I was queuing for some Two Towers tickets for 19 hours so i have been kinda tired.
However, i will probably have both time and energy to work some more during the weekend.

"Keep on rocking in the free world!"

The Magic Pen

11-21-2002, 12:30 PM

It's looking really good keep up the good work !!

Maximus Groff

12-18-2002, 07:34 PM

Hey... Sir_Manfred... throw some updates!! ;)

Orkan-Slayer

01-04-2003, 08:45 PM

:airguitar
I love your model. I think it looks great. I have a few minor suggestions however. Maybe you could pull his cheek bones in just a bit. that would help the drow look. Also to add some character maybe you could add a scar on his eye or face. These are just suggestions and I am by no means an expert. I love the work you've done so far. Especially your helmet.

Sir Lavain:cool:

Radacci

03-29-2003, 04:26 PM

If this is supposed to be a drow, parhapps he should be black skinned? and they have red glowing eyes as well, because they have infravision, and add white hair as well, but i guess you planned to do that later?
There are big Drows, but they are not common, there is many different fighting styles in drow society. and some use 2-hander weapons, but as mentioned above, they are few.
Parhapps you could work on to make a adamantite Plate armor or chainmail :) if you have the time :rolleyes:
Anyway, i think it looks great so far,

eunuchbot

03-29-2003, 05:20 PM

its pretty good, I would agree that it needs (maybe) a little less muscular tonage, but my main concern is that your big toes point straight out maybe even away from the other toes, look at your foot, it doesn't do that... it points towards the other toes... not to shabby though