Anyone tested the difference between: Wacom Graphire3, Graphire bluethooth, Intuos3?

[KOryH]

The graphires have less levels of pressure sensitivity and don't record tilt.
The blue tooth also cut out and skipped a lot.
For me it was impossible to work with.
Stick with the intuos if you are serious about computer graphics.

I retuned mine after one day.

[Dr. Ira Kane]

If you don't have enough money for intous buy graphire3 xl, it will be ok for serious work.

[DonaldKasper]

I think the intous series of tablets are the only tablets to get... graphire is great if you want a pointing device.

[j.peeba]

I've worked with graphires at home (I've got an A5 graphire3 currently) and intuos tablets at work and since I'm not a fan of the tilt function at all, I have to say that the only notable difference for me is that intuos is a bit more comfortable to use due to the better pen and the surfacing of the tablet which feels somehow more tactile. But the results I get with the tablets are identical to me, I have never noticed the difference of pressure levels.

I've never really tried that many bluetooth devices but I had big problems with connecting my bt phone to pc and generally I've heard a lot of nasty stuff said about bt devices... So I really wouldn't count on a bluetooth tablet for professional work for now ;). For laptop use a bt tablet could be a cool choice though.

[Dr. Ira Kane]

I think the intous series of tablets are the only tablets to get... graphire is great if you want a pointing device.
If Graphire3 is a pointing device to you then obvioulsy you don't know how to use tablet, or simply can't draw.

[Panupat]

for coloring they both don't feel much different. Intuos are obviously more comfortable I agree. When doing line drawings tho I can't get graphire to respond as good as intuos. Most of the time, graphire gives me ok ease-in pressure but for some reason if I try to do ease-out, the result is as if I just lift the pen off instead of slowy fading out. My Intuos doesn't have this problem

[Wintermute]

I just recently picked up a graphire bluetooth for my iBook, so far I love it. I haven't had any issues with connectivity as of yet, but then again I rarely use it more than 3' (1m) from the iBook.

As far as comparing it to other tablets…the last one I used was a 4x5 Calcomp Drawing Slate II that connected via ADB! obviously it's been a while since I used that one :shrug:

[NightSky]

If Graphire3 is a pointing device to you then obvioulsy you don't know how to use tablet, or simply can't draw.

Settle down, by stating the graphire is a pointing device, I think he was implying that it's ok as an alternative to a mouse, but not good enough to use in any artistic capacity.

[peaches]

Settle down, by stating the graphire is a pointing device, I think he was implying that it's ok as an alternative to a mouse, but not good enough to use in any artistic capacity.

um. im pretty sure you can do fantastic art with a graphire. you dont need the topest model of tablets just to paint a good image. some people even do it with mouses and it comes out amazing. stop bashing graphires.

[Dr. Ira Kane]

Settle down, by stating the graphire is a pointing device, I think he was implying that it's ok as an alternative to a mouse, but not good enough to use in any artistic capacity.
I know what he meant, if I didn't have any experience I wouldn't write this, but I have, and statements like the one he wrote are simply crap, Graphire 3 are enough sensitive to paint or draw, but as I said if someone can't draw with pencil, even the best tablet will be 'not sensitive enough' or uncomfortable. That's my opininion and I'm not going to discuss that anymore here, cheers guys and take care ! :)

[SpeccySteve]

Settle down, by stating the graphire is a pointing device, I think he was implying that it's ok as an alternative to a mouse, but not good enough to use in any artistic capacity.

Then he'd be wrong.

[luciferous]

Wow, what happened here? people getting snotty over the diference of tablets, how petty.

the graphire is obviously a servicable tablet otherwise a proud company like wacom would discontinue it, Ive used one but I didnt find it as sensitiv as I wanted, jumped quite a bit, but I suspect that was the owners hardware. for about 3 months after that I kept using a mouse for my artwork, but because of the need for increased priductivity at uni I shelled out for an intuos3 A4... first thing I noticed was how delicious the surface felt... I still stroke it every so often, the absolute positioning was like a dream come true and the pen felt good in my hand.

the graphire was okay but the intuos is just divine, worth the steep price.

on a ise note... never get a trust tablet... I would rather draw with my own blood than use one them again.

[SpeccySteve]

No ones getting "snotty" about the difference in tablets- the Intuos range are the top of the line (unless you fancy selling your house to buy a Cintiq.), everyone knows that, but statements like..

I think the intous series of tablets are the only tablets to get... graphire is great if you want a pointing device.
not good enough to use in any artistic capacity.

Are simply not true, that's all.

And yes, Trust are a bit dodgy in my experience.

-Steve

[luciferous]

one of my house mates got a trust tablet thinking shed get a good tablet for cheap... she ended up using it as a tea tray... hehehe... it actually seemed to work abit better after gravy was spilt all over it

[SpeccySteve]

Yeah, they're a bargain all right, but only until you actually try and use them..:D

-Steve

[luciferous]

oh you were right about cintiqs... beautiful piece of kit and like a dream to use, but my god they cost alot... I have a large bottle full of pounds and 50p's just for the thing... im about a third of the way, when i get about 100 quid off of the mark I am gonna flog my intuos and send off for the 21 inch beaut

[D-Red]

I have been saving up for Wacom tablet of sometype for a bit now, so this make intressting reading for me, i have decided on the Intuos 3 range after borrowing a intuos 1 A5 and found it amazing to work on. i Need to decide A4 or A5 now :rolleyes:

but one of my friends has a Graphire3 and he swears by it, and i used it a bit ago and it seem very good.

Personaly as for bluetooth i wouldn't touch it but that just becasue i've had troubles with it in the past

(tryed a medion tablet for about ten minutes, i found it awful)

[Haider of Sweden]

Wow, what happened here? people getting snotty over the diference of tablets, how petty.

hehe, yeah, what happened here? I just wanted to know if the bluetooth thing was something to have or not :-)

At least I know there is a tilt function that I never knew about - wonder how it can be activated.
Something tells me that I shouldnt take the bluetooth one however. That long cable is not such a mess after all - cause I liked the smoother feeling of the intuos compared to the graphire.

[DonaldKasper]

I know what he meant, if I didn't have any experience I wouldn't write this, but I have, and statements like the one he wrote are simply crap, Graphire 3 are enough sensitive to paint or draw, but as I said if someone can't draw with pencil, even the best tablet will be 'not sensitive enough' or uncomfortable. That's my opininion and I'm not going to discuss that anymore here, cheers guys and take care ! :)

My comments about the Graphire Tablet being a pointing device had nothing to do with the sensativity. I think the 4x5 area of the tablet is too small for art... That's all. and any tablet is better then nothing.

[thaitod]

Hehe, things always go like that when we talk about technical stuff. In my opinion, if you look at the price of Intuos 3 and Graphire 3, you should not ask about differences anymore.

In case of Graphire 3 and Graphire Bluetooth, with the speed of 50 KBs, bluetooth devices are probably enough to replace wire-tablet. The question is whether any interuption happens? You can't draw if you are at 3m far from your canvas. So, I think it is ok to work with bluetooth tablet in this case when you have to seat near from your computer.

Better tools make it is easier and faster. But not quality of the work.:)

[DrFx]

All this talk is pointless, nothing beats my Volito!
Now seriously, I've been thinking of upgrading it, but don't know if the pro tablets are worth the steep price. Has anyone compared the lot? I'm thinking of getting A5, because A4 is too big for my drawing style (and my wallet).
The main beef I have with the Volito is that you need to exert some pressure to get even a thin line, which wouldn't happen with a pencil or a brush.

[Elsie]

My last tablet was a Graphire3...at the end of the day it's still a Wacom. It's a top make, even if it's not top of the line. Wacom themselves acknowledge that it's not really the quality you need as a professional. Now that I'm without a tablet, so I'm moving to a Intuos3 - but is the A4 size really that much of an advantage? I only had an A6(!) before and it was definitely too small, so it's either A5 or A4...

[Alainé]

I have A5 format, smaller would be not enough that's for sure, and bigger ? don't know it depends on your painting style but I doubt you need big tablets, you won't be able to make very long stroke if you don't have big screen with very high res anyway. A5 seems to be optimal for me, and it doesn't hurt my hand.

[Annemee]

My comments about the Graphire Tablet being a pointing device had nothing to do with the sensativity. I think the 4x5 area of the tablet is too small for art... That's all. and any tablet is better then nothing.

Where do you get the idea that Graphires are only in the 4x5 size? I have a 6x8 and love it! Some day when I have a decent job I will probably upgrade to the intuos line, but for now, the graphire meets all my needs. (which by the way, also come in the larger 9x12 size as well)

[Dr. Ira Kane]

Yeah I use Graphire3 A5 format and it's ok, smaller would be harder to work with.

[thaitod]

Ah, I meet a problem when working with 21" monitor and A5 Graphire2 on A4 300dpi Photoshop document. I have to zoom 25% to sketch. And the line is not so smooth because a short move of my hand makes long curve on the big canvas. Think, a bigger tablet could solve that.

[pushav]

I have a graphire and it works great. I tend to do my line art traditionally rather than drawing on a tablet (Much more enjoyable and faster. Plus you can sell the original line art for cash). I had no problems sketching with it at all. If you want the most out of your tablet, put your tablet pressure settings on soft in the wacom tablet program. Here is my take if you can paint with a tablet and you have the patience to learing what you can do and talent then any tablet should be fine. Pick one accurding to your lifestyle and comfort. Sometimes more expensive is not better.

Originally Posted by DonaldKasper
My comments about the Graphire Tablet being a pointing device had nothing to do with the sensativity. I think the 4x5 area of the tablet is too small for art... That's all. and any tablet is better then nothing.


Lol 4by5 too samll for art Lol. Not true at all. Pepole still use mouses and turn out great artwork without the pressure points. I have a 4by5 and it is perfect. I have a friend that has an Intuos series tablet and he dislikes it. It all comes down to is it the right tablet for you.

[thistly]

Heh, calling a 4x5 nothing better than a pointing device?!
Keep in mind it's not what you have but what you do with it ;)
If you use medium-small brush/pen strokes like I do (I always drew teenie tiny on paper) then a 4x5 is perfectly fine :)
And of course you can zoom in if you need to, some people seem to have forgotten that in this thread :D
I used one from before I could PS paint at all 3 years ago until a little while ago (when I found a cheap Intuos3 9x12 and took the plunge!)
all the pictures in my epilogue (http://www.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/list.pl?gallery=12341) gallery were made using pencil and/or a 4x5, the important part is it's only one's own skills and amount of time dedicated limiting the quality of the work, if you blame the tablet, well... :rolleyes:
A higher size and resolution tablet will probably make working quicker and/or more natural, all that you need to consider is if you're willing to pay the price difference in the tablets for these perks :)

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LETS TALK ABOUT THE NEW WACOM GRAPHIRE 4!!!


yeh ok, i just saw it today, any one have it yet? is it koool? sorry if this is old news :D
to me, it looks like a combination of a graphire3 and an intuos with the express keys, except without the big dollars!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/blackandwhitestripes/graphire-4.png

[DrFx]

It certainly looks cool, too bad I got my Intuos one week before it was announced! :shrug:
I'm not regretting the buy, I absolutely am in love with it, but one plus about the graphire is the transparent cover, which the Intuos doesn't have (it used to, but now it's an opaque grey).
I hope they don't announce a new Intuos right now, cause they just overhauled Volito and Graphire.:)

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It certainly looks cool, too bad I got my Intuos one week before it was announced! :shrug:
I'm not regretting the buy, I absolutely am in love with it, but one plus about the graphire is the transparent cover, which the Intuos doesn't have (it used to, but now it's an opaque grey).
I hope they don't announce a new Intuos right now, cause they just overhauled Volito and Graphire.:)

oh no you got no worries, id get an intuos over a graphire anyday if i could afford it, but since i cant this new graphire 4 seems to be a good option
and have fun with your new intuos!:bounce:

[Swordsman]

Who needs a tablet when you can get a pen mouse!

http://www.ergo-items.com/images/products/pointingdevices/mousepen/hand_sm.jpg
So awesome

[Sanne-chan]

i think I'll stick with my tablet, it doesn't look very comfortable :p

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Who needs a tablet when you can get a pen mouse!

http://www.ergo-items.com/images/products/pointingdevices/mousepen/hand_sm.jpg
So awesome

LOL thats a funny looking mouse!

[Drake_Stormrage]

has any1 of u used wacom graphire 2? I have it borrowed from school right now (A6 format), so I want to ask if u had the same experience like me... This would be when i try to draw a slow and precise line, it ends up totally shaky and, well far away from being straight... its sort of slipping too much on the surface due to its very fine graininess or whatever... Is it really because of the surface or could it be my clumsiness and lack of experience with using it? Can it be helped with drawing on it for a longer time? I've had it for something over a week now. When I do quicker strokes, it's fine, but on the other hand it's a bit hard for me to aim them with maximum precision... If u'd have the time, plz visit my gallery at deviantart and look at some of the drawings i made using it (it is stated in the comment), u'd help me very much.

[KOryH]

The graphire has some great features. But if anyone has ever used the Intuos, going back to a graphire just is not acceptable.
There is HALF the pressure sensitivity of a Intuos and it does not have tilt recognition.
For me this makes a huge difference. and as far as I know you cant use the 6D pen with the graphires as well. Simply put... It is not made for Pros.
Mabe for some it does not matter and saving money is more important. For me spending the xtra cash was worth it. My last tablet from Wacom lasted 8 years. It was a good investment. They are well put together products and at any level will be great.
I would assume that a serious professional would just not be willing to compromise longterm quiality for a short term savings. Wait and save for the Intuos.

Look at the feature list at Wacom and decide for yourself.

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