Spectacular 2D Entry: Petri Järvinen

[Squibbit]

welcome , have fun :thumbsup:



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[PetriJ]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1126183079_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1126183079_large.jpg)

Idea:
Middle age drunk runs to liquid store just in time before closing.

Edit:
Thanks, you too. I think I have a good idea this time.
First when I saw the word spectacular, it reminded me about sircus and clowns, but when I browsed other users. I saw that some one was already using that sircus theme, so I made up another idea. Witch I think is alot better. :)

[PetriJ]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1126191090_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1126191090_large.jpg)

Here is a better sketch of what I have in mind. I'm not sure about makeing it plane side view, or should I rotate the camera just a bit more left, so that it would be slightly from behind him.
I think it would make a better composition.

[shaddax]

Welcome and Good Luck :)

[PetriJ]

Hmm.. Now that I read the rules better, I realised that this is not what they are looking for with that spectacular.
I'll have to find some other approach.

[PetriJ]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1126730738_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1126730738_large.jpg)

Something like this perhaps..

[Rudeone]

Cool sketch, definitly spectacular IMO!

LOL your previous sketch is hilarious :applause:

[PetriJ]

yeah, but not so spectacular :rolleyes:
Would've been good.

[Korline]

like the mood in this, very nice, good luck :)

[PetriJ]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1126876497_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1126876497_large.jpg)

Or like this..

[LadyMedusa]

I personally liked the previous one better, but this one isn't that bad eiter... Ice sculptures are fachinating

[2xbo]

Hi Petri.J. I think you have a strong concept if you make some ice sculpture. Thats look really promise. Keep working in you ice idea.

Good luck
xbo :scream:

[W-I-L]

that looks very nice mate. painting is good

[Xillion]

the ice sculpture is quiet but spectacular...but...what about adding about the faint image of a girl inside (maybe just above waist level) ?
I imagine her just like she's trapped under ice...with hair flowing in the wrozen water...her eyes wide open...
just like the statue has a soul and it's looking the outside world. But cannot escape it's ice body, so she looks extremely sad or frightened.

just a strange idea...
keep it up!!!

[elnady]

Nice work with the ice

Good luck man

[PetriJ]

the ice sculpture is quiet but spectacular...but...what about adding about the faint image of a girl inside (maybe just above waist level) ?
I imagine her just like she's trapped under ice...with hair flowing in the wrozen water...her eyes wide open...
just like the statue has a soul and it's looking the outside world. But cannot escape it's ice body, so she looks extremely sad or frightened.

just a strange idea...
keep it up!!!

Great idea!

[PetriJ]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127208156_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127208156_large.jpg)

Just took the sketch a little further.

[PetriJ]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127218922_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127218922_large.jpg)

Testing Xillions idea.

[Xillion]

Thanks for trying it out! (I'm honoured!) I'll keep checking your thread, so far the ice looks gorgeous. Keep it up!

[walrus]

Great specular hilights, it really feels like ice!
Something else in the picture to give it scale could help... Is she life-sized? The size of a sky-scraper? Try adding some more visual clues! :-) Good luck!

-mike

[TeemuR]

Looks great, Petri! Xillions idea is really good and you executed it really nicely. I would like to lick that ice sculpture.. hehe! ;D Also the idea that Walrus gave you sounds also excellent.. some skyscrapers.. try to make them lower than girls knee...

[tarrzan]

this really is a beautiful piece Petri!! very solid man, really does look like an ice sculpture! keep up the great work....

[OrO]

this is really spectacular..the reflections look wonderfull :) good luck..can't wait to see more

[birdybear]

The idea is solid and it's hard to believe at such an early stage that the ice looks so real already! Great work. Keeping an eye on your entry

[LadyMedusa]

Woah! This pice improved amazingly since I was in here last time :eek:
Keep it up :thumbsup:

[PetriJ]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127243065_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127243065_large.jpg)

I'm kind of having problems with detailing snow, and how thick/thin should the ice be.
I honously tried to detail that snow, but the overpaint layer allways went straight to trashcan. 6 times.
Perhaps tomorrow I'll do better.

[PetriJ]

I would like to lick that ice sculpture.. hehe!
heh :)

walrus: Hmm, perhaps the scale will show better, when I start detailing.
Anyways, I don't know what to put there. I tried several things, but they just drew attension (or changed the feeling) from the main subject, and that wasn't good.

I could test tomorrow if it works, that if some of the ice was melted. Altough, it reminds me of Iceage(movie), but I'll try it anyway. :D

Thanks for your symphaty guys :)

[derykhopley]

nice i love the lighting personaly i don't think you need too much detail in the snow the focus is on the ice lady but the way it looks now is awesome brilliant work il be watching this...

[Zeitwolf]

I like your idea.

I miss surroundings.

About the ice/snow - I think main parts (figure, block, underground) nshould be hard ice. Than lay a fine powdery now over it. I think it would look good.

About the surroundings.

What if there where some life in it? eg a butterfly or a flower? Wouldn't that be spectacular?

[Narida]

Gosh!!! How do you know what colours do you need to create ice? You've learned that by yourself? The picture is really very nice. I would only change two things: her forehead and the belly. The forehead is too big. It makes her face less delicate. And with the belly. It's too big as well. She looks like one of Rubens' "Three Graces" (meybe without cellulitis) If that's the idea then leave it as it is, however I would slim her.

And about the snow. Don't detail it too much. Just signal that this is snow

Good luck!:thumbsup:

[Xillion]

How about helping yourself with some reference ? I very much like how Keith Parkinson rendered snow in this piece...which indeed is one of my favourites.

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5775/parkinson74px.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=parkinson74px.jpg)

[Mordalles]

wow! that ice statue looks amazing! i wish i knew more spectacular words than 'amazing' to compliment it even more.

[Ducklator]

nice sket, but... I wanna see something more spectacular...:shrug:

[MichaelZHsee]

hie there~ur progress are going pretty strong and solid there~hmm,however,like they mentioned about the scale and the size of the sculpture would definitely adds up the spectacularity of it.great reflection and refraction study here~i was wondering how they sculpt the hair~:scream:keep it going

[ChrisThatGuy]

Very nice. I might be cool (no pun intended) to see some kind of horizon reflected in the ice, or at least a hint of one.

[PetriJ]

ChrisThatGuy: I tried that, but then it became a mess of reflections, and since the sky is black or dark blue, it should reflect only that glowing snow and street lambs. I like to keep works not too realistic, because then they tend to lose the feeling, and become just a photograph of some thing.

sh@ke: Thanks, I really appreciate your comment. I had hair as one tube in those prevous versions, like they would propably sculpt it, that it wouldn't brake. But since that didn't look so interesting, I gave up from that idea of keeping this so realistic. And I will think of something for scale.

Ducklator: I'm trying :rolleyes:

Mordalles: Thanks

Xillion: Thanks again. I tried to google snow, but found nothing that I was looking for. Your reference picture might help, I'll try it out.

Narida: I think it's about thinking how it would look. All the time I'm looking and wondering things, and phondering why they look like that, where does that shadow/light/color come from, and why. How does that work. Things like that.
I also Googled some Ice sculpture references, to study more on the subject.

Zeitwolf: I was thinking more like a squarrel, but since it will propably draw attension away from the main subject and ruin the tense feeling, it propably won't work. But I'll try things that could work.

derykhopley: Thanks, when I put down some detail to the snow, it will be very lo contrast, and done with very small tonal variation, so it wound't draw attension.

[Xillion]

I have other if you need them, but noone is under the same light condition so you would need a little tweaking. Just let me know!

[Zaguri]

I think that when you decided to modify the sculputure to the 'girl inside' direction, the material started to look less like real ice, but it makes the image much more emotional, and deeper, and umm.,.. I like it a lot.

[Squibbit]

nice work, very nice ...



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[2xbo]

Hi Petri. First i want give some 5 Stars to Xillion. That guy it's real bro. The Idea was Cool.
Petri i think you have realy strong Idea. Please be careful and work hard on it.

It's coming some interesting paints, but work hard on it. If i can help also i will do my best to give you me feedback.

Keep working like that. Please give some enviroment to your paint. Don't leave your scene just with one Figure. May be you can't put some people that don't take care about that girl and don't hel pher to scape for that trap.

Or you can put a lot of ice Town around like an eviroment and may be her baby on the floor. Give more live that Picture.

I love really your Idea. You need just a little bit more.

I wish you a nice work.

xbo :scream:

[aaron111]

I think the syle looks great so far. My only problem with it is the right leg. I just can't tell what is going on with it. Is the statue incomplete or is she sitting on the leg? My first impression was that she was sitting on her bent leg but it doesn't look right as there is no indication of the lower leg and calf - also the knee is too pointed and bullet shaped if this is the case. Maybe the lower leg is bent inward? In that case something is still off with the angles and the knee is still too pointy. Like I said, I just can't tell what is going on with it and it bothers me. Maybe I'm missing something here.

[jabberwoc]

Andersen's little mermaid sculpted by ed scissorhands...Very nice and sweet picture.

[PetriJ]

Xillion: Sure, there can never be too many references. Lighting is not the problem, because, I wouln't do a straight copy of it anyway.

Zaguri: I agree with you in all ways. And I'm struggling with that problem.

Squibbit: :)

2xbo: "Please be careful" Why should I be careful? :)
I dont like the idea of putting forms on the background, because I think that it would brake the feeling. I thought of some sort of color variation, but only small variation.

aaron111: Yes, I'm very aware of that, and I've been strugging with that from the beginning. It's actually kind of challenging to do these paintings that will become finished. I truly have to sit down and solve the problem. Other than speed paintings, where I never have to solve them. This is a new expirience to me, and it is sort of fashinating. Altough, I still don't like looking one painting this long.

jabberwoc: :)


I'm thinking of trying a new thing that crossed my mind. What if some of the ice was melted. It might fix the problem that Zaguri mensioned, or cover it at least :)
But it's an idea worth of trying. So tomorrow I have again time to continue this. Thanks all for good and constuctive criticism.
Oh, and I printed this at school, and it looked more green that it does on my screen. Though it doesn't matter, because it was so small difference. But overall it looked good. So there I could make the conclusion that it looks somewhat the same that it does on MY screen :)

[Xillion]

By looking at the references I think it's quite obvious that snow is usually rendered as a smooth and soft white veil taking cold light blue shades. What usually gives a clue that that "veil" is actually snow are other elements in the composition like bushes (Like in Elmore) or footprints and icy mountains.

Elmore:
[/url]http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/8374/elmore14gk.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/3518/elmore169mo.th.jpg (http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elmore428bw.jpg)
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/7153/elmore428bw.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Parkinson:
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1404/parkinson194xq.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/843/parkinson637gc.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sweet:
http://img289.imageshack.us/img289/5545/sweet182fz.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cleavenger:
[url="http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cleavenger230uz.jpg"]http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9433/cleavenger230uz.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

hope this helps.
Anyway they are quite cool illustrations, aren't they ?
(source...the net...)

[PetriJ]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127500141_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127500141_large.jpg)

I have no idea what happened, it just went out of my control. :)

[PetriJ]

It's an ice sculpture that want's to be a real girl. I proudly present to you, Miss Pinocchio! :D

[PetriJ]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127506271_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127506271_large.jpg)

I think it looks alot better like this. Don't attract too much attension of the face or those kind of things, they will be formed better when I start detailing. I still think that there should be that squarrel, giving a kiss, or something. A reason why she is transforming from ice to a human.

[Falcorr]

So it is a ice sculpture and the upper part is becoming human? correct?

I like the shoulder translucency effects. Light is working finely.

You should think of the actual way of the transformation. Does that water and ice turn into that woman? Will the ice around her melt away? Creating small streams of water?

Will the water evaporate to the air leaving hisses of steam and mist?

Im bit confused with the transformation, but just let me know of the actual way :thumbsup:

I like the trees in the background giving lots of depth to this picture and the colors are also nice. Of course its very nice to see another finn around here. Good luck! :applause:

[2xbo]

Hi Petri.J. Nice Update. Why don't try to put more ice in her face?. Just an opinion. May be give us onother cold impression. :shrug:

Keep going.
xbo :scream:

[PetriJ]

Falcor_: I think that I'm as confused as you are.
I think this has gone from good to bad, to terrible. It's time to go back to the ice sculpture stage, and continue from there.

Yes?

[Falcorr]

This is not terrible at all. Just a little bit confusing. As its pretty much easier to understand normal ice sculture. If i could see the possible outcome of the lady in the ice and lady of ice. Id propably be able to help you out much better.

Its really upto you.. Which one do you think will deliver more spectacular picture?

[ahbeejieh]

Hi Petri.J. Your thumbnails of this thing's amazing! How light's reflected on the figure looks so real. But I guess you havent quite worked out the story of what's really happening in the scene coz you havent added in any other elements yet that might give us insyt to the picture. Is she some kind of Ice-God who was cursed by, I dunno some other God, and now the people need her help so they found a way to un-freeze her or something... Nyway, keep it up and goodluck to yah :thumbsup:

[Ranath]

nice idea, to ensure win you could make her hotter.. or at least you'd get more views..

I like ice effects you've done.

[PetriJ]

Ranath: "to ensure win" :D:applause: ehehe :) I'm really not after those prizes, or comments (like I would even have a change). Don't get me wrong, I like to know what's wrong with it, but I'm not after the largest number of comments/views. And I really appreciate constructive criticism, thanks guys for your time and effort.
I woudn't argue if someone would handle me a brand new computer, but I would suspect some sort of an error in the judging, or something. :)
The deal is that I usually do just speed paintings, and with them you really are missing half of it all. In speedpaintings you don't have to solve any kind of problems, just put some cool texture over it, and call it a speedie. It's good that there is a deadline, so I know that I have to finish this some day, and that makes me to grab the pen and start drawing.

ahbeejieh: A story? No there's no story, but I thought of making a painting that tells a story. Obviously it doesn't work because I haven't figure it out yet. :)

Falcor_: Well I'm in a kind of a dead end here. I have no idea of wich to choose. I guess the ice sculpture was more beautiful, good colors and good shading/lighting. But the other one has some sort of an idea. It would be good if I just could think of something that would make that first one more spectacular, or the second one look better and less confusing.
I think I'm going to take a couple days brake from this, and get back to it someday.

[Xillion]

Hey man, keep it up. It was looking cool ;) Though my idea was a little different than how you did represent it (and eventually became something different and interesting) I think you have plenty of time to refine the idea and experiment. Just don't give up!!!

As an advice, just refine the story and the other elements will come into your mind.

[PetriJ]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127842805_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127842805_large.jpg)

Well, let's try something new, since there is lots of time.

[tarrzan]

dude, this definitely has a more 'spectacular' element to it, your ice girl is beautiful, but I think you should continue with this new one! good luck

[PetriJ]

Yeah, but I just don't like the idea of doing similar idea that has been done on this contest, like from the beginning (and I don't think that I could do it better). But I'll continue this some, and then look if I get any better ideas. If not, then I'll finish the one that I think is the best.

[Squibbit]

go with the ice lady, it's rather unique and well done so far


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[PetriJ]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127859648_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8490/8490_1127859648_large.jpg)

update

[PetriJ]

it's 1.20.
Squibbit, go to sleep :)

[Squibbit]

it's 1.20.
Squibbit, go to sleep :)

:p u think george is gonna find your star wars concept art ?



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[PetriJ]

:p u think george is gonna find your star wars concept art ?
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Hope not. Btw, I usually don't work for small companies anyway. :wise:

[Squibbit]

Hope not. Btw, I usually don't work for small companies anyway. :wise:

oooo... :rolleyes:

u was right about yesterday, hehe, i been uber tired the whole day today :p



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[beelow]

LOL, squib stop it man your killing me *stomach is hurting from laughter*, go with the ice sculpture, I like what you have done with the transparency of the ice sculpture keep at it, good luck, holla!:thumbsup:

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