View Full Version : Spectacular 2D Entry: Joel Carlo
09-06-2005, 05:49 AM
Joel Carlo is entered in the "Spectacular Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/spectacular/view_entries.php?challenger=8137)
Latest Update: Final Image: Element of Surprise
09-06-2005, 05:55 AM
Looks like I'll have to put some serious thought into this challenge. Ive been brainstorming and most of the ideas Ive come up with are less fantasy oriented. I should have some sketches up throughout the week. Cant wait to see what everyone else comes up with. Good luck everyone!
09-09-2005, 05:48 AM
After a couple of days working out ideas for the challenge, I decided to go with a deep sea theme incorporating the element of surprise, from both the sea creatures perspective and a divers perspective.
I have a few other ideas I will be throwing around revolving around this theme and hopefully post them over the weekend.
09-09-2005, 05:58 AM
this is really good! Simple things are the best...dunno if the judges would see it that way but I think they should. Could you please put a matchbox besides that octo so we can see the size of that thing? :D
Idea seems solid and the first image is just brilliant! Good luck!
09-09-2005, 05:58 AM
looks so cool....
09-09-2005, 06:08 AM
I like the lighting and there is a definite feel of water, good job!
09-09-2005, 06:34 AM
Great sense of depth!
Very promising begining... Keep on.
Just may be it must be a little more dark from below for the balance?
Good luck :)
looks really good,,, will spy on this one :scream:
09-09-2005, 07:37 AM
I like this a lot. Very minimal, and definitely my style. Keep the ideas coming! :thumbsup:
09-09-2005, 08:25 AM
Hello joel, original idea and good drawning..just a little suggestion..maybe that can be a giant octopus which attacking a boat..it seem maybe too "jules vernes" style but you can maybe exploit this theme..it can be another thing that a boat...another animal...
Good luck to you..i keep an eye on your work:p
09-09-2005, 10:22 AM
hi Mecha Hate Chimp thats an amazing concept reminds me of and incident that happened here a group divers were exploring a particular boat which looked like one half was merged with a big coral formation but only it wasnt ... it was a big octopus resting on it or so ... imagine the suprise on the divers when the octopus took off when they disturbed it heheh some even fainted underwater.
09-09-2005, 10:51 AM
hi there! Great start, a beautiful scene. Keep up with the good work and good luck! :)
great idea, the colours really make the pic stand out 2. best of luck
09-09-2005, 12:58 PM
looks very nice indeed!
Beautiful colors, Joel! Where will the diver be?
09-09-2005, 01:14 PM
like the perspective.. get a feeling from it for sure.... keep em coming!
09-09-2005, 01:55 PM
o this looks nice...liked the colors:thumbsup:
wooooow, beautiful sketch! keep it up! 8 stars for you:bounce:
09-09-2005, 02:59 PM
Very nice. Good luck. :D
09-09-2005, 03:30 PM
Nice sketch. Very Animal Planet like.
09-09-2005, 07:10 PM
It is thrilling dude.
09-09-2005, 07:14 PM
Wooohooo,great atmosphere there!!!Nice start.
quit curious what you'll come up with next!!!:thumbsup:
09-09-2005, 07:44 PM
Nice cuzzin... The contrast between the octo and the sun is working. Stands out in the thumb alot.
09-09-2005, 07:50 PM
love it the mood and the concept are beautiful and original:thumbsup:
09-09-2005, 08:04 PM
Very good underwater render !:)
09-09-2005, 08:08 PM
nice perspective, Exelent idea!
09-10-2005, 12:27 AM
Some more fleshing out. I decided to throw a reef in there to fill up some space and also help establish some scale. The divers will be the key element in establishing the overall scale and will hopefully bring it all together.
09-10-2005, 02:15 AM
More work on the reef. Just trying to see what would work best with my layout.
09-10-2005, 02:50 AM
I really like what you're doing here. This really stands out. Most of the stuff I'm seeing is predictable. Keep it up! Very interesting...
(Girlfriend of Z3djinn).
09-10-2005, 07:28 AM
wohooo,nice,nice!!!i prefered the way you filled up space in the second last sketch although the colors of the last one seems more powerfull.
So nice to hang around here!!!
09-10-2005, 07:41 AM
i actually liked the original one... the pic feels a bit closed in to me now..... where you going to put something there like a diver . . . or just rocks?
09-10-2005, 08:47 AM
Finally got around to fleshing out the divers. Im still working out some layout issues but I'm taking my time. I might do another version with different divers using the other reef layout but Im going to take a break for a moment.
09-10-2005, 08:48 AM
09-10-2005, 09:24 AM
Fantastic theme! That contrasted octopuss really stands out! Good luck!
09-10-2005, 09:30 AM
really nice choice of colours. love the atmosphere here :) waiting for your next concept with the other reef-
09-10-2005, 10:43 AM
Divers have arrived and it looks splendid! :) It would be nice if the foremost diver is just turning his head to look above...A brief moment before noticing the octo.
09-10-2005, 10:50 AM
ah, you're so right ElFuego, i was about to point this out myself when i
noticed something like the silhouette of another diver looking up, just
behind the foremost diver, now i think those optical illusions have
played a trick on my eyes , aarhgh
yes it would be cool if one or more of the divers had noticed the squid
and were looking up and maybe about to pat a diver before them in the back
so they'd know the beast is there too
09-10-2005, 10:53 AM
really love it good work :thumbsup:
09-10-2005, 11:06 AM
How about revove divers from background and add another female diver (long floating hair) holding hand of the diver on foreground. She is trying to tuch some rainbow cute little fish below, he is loking up realizung the danger. What do you think?
And you just have to change title of this pic to: "Inky the octopus - terror from the deep" :twisted:
very nice angle, creepy mood.. excellent.
09-10-2005, 11:42 AM
This is a really interesting idea. Your handling of water effect is fine. Keep it up
09-10-2005, 11:52 AM
i take it back mate... rocks look good now diver is in place... this is good stuff.
09-10-2005, 03:55 PM
09-10-2005, 04:07 PM
wow beautiful colours. Really spectacular piece! Great work. Good luck! :)
09-10-2005, 04:09 PM
Nice composition and use of light.
09-10-2005, 04:40 PM
maybe it would smash more if we were closer to the character : it would really give the impression that we are at his place ; The octopuss is a bit too far away : maybe you could show more clearly its intention to attack / play with the plunger.
09-11-2005, 10:05 PM
It is simply perfect. I love mood here.
09-11-2005, 10:51 PM
More layout ideas.
I took Arto's suggestion on having a diver looking up toward the Octopus and I like the way it came out. Im a sucker for images with that suspended moment of terror just before the shits about to hit the fan where the victim is completely unaware. I think in this case, Arto's suggestion is cool beause the diver doesnt necessarily look like he knows whats going on, he just senses something and looks up.
Im still debating what reef layout to use and what position the other diver(s) will be in. Im leaning more towards this reef than the last. I think it emphasizes the idea of vast depth better than the other one and helps define the size of the octopus a bit more. I'll probably knock out a few more before I decide on a final layout.
09-11-2005, 11:06 PM
Thats lookin real nice so far. Good idea and i love the atmosphere you have created with the colours and tones.
At the moment, i cant really tell if the scuba divers about to be the squid's lunch, or wether they are they studying it. I dont really see much of a threat at the moment. Probably because were used to seeing dangerous sea creatures lurking in the shadows.
I think it will help once more detail is added - seeing the exposed suckers and beak will give you the impression that theyre headed right their way!
09-11-2005, 11:58 PM
Wow, this is looking wonderful. That diver looking up really works great. Perhaps you could emphasize the octopus' scale by elongating some of its tentacles off-frame. Good job!
09-12-2005, 12:23 AM
thats awesome mate! make the top diver smaller it will defintly make the octopus bigger and more fearsome!
09-12-2005, 12:43 AM
The perspective is great! I really feel the calm and the depth of the ocean. I look foreward to see the rest of your work.
09-12-2005, 12:44 AM
I am so afraid of the ocean as is....this is not going to help me. Great start..excellent color.
09-12-2005, 02:17 AM
Another layout sketch.
Its safe to say Im pretty sick of drawing divers now. I think Im gonna take a break from this concept and work on another idea I had in mind. Im going to use zbrush for my next concept and give the wacom a break (I could have sworn I saw smoke coming out of it today)
09-12-2005, 03:40 AM
Hey, looks good. Maybe the diver in the foreground should be glancing back over his shoulder? Nice stuff.
09-12-2005, 05:08 AM
wow I feel so much like an amature ahh well I'll do this challenge just for fun I saw just you octopus yesterday and I was like wow I like this guys thinking I loved the rays coming through the octopus and now you have added divers :D hmm i like what you have there but I think he would be looking up to see what has created such a shaddow? it might also add more of an element of awe don't you think? but its your drawing after all just a suggestion
09-12-2005, 05:27 AM
i like the 1st and second composition the best, the problem with the
3rd is that diver behind there is too close to the squid and the squid
don't look menacing enough
i wouldn't go changing a theme or anything, this is one of my two
favourites in this challenge :thumbsup:
09-12-2005, 06:03 AM
Your latest skecth is my favourite.. I like it.. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
09-12-2005, 06:23 AM
Goofing off for a moment:)
This was actually my first concept for the challenge but I axed it cause I thought it was a bit cheese. I did laugh outload a few times as I was putting it together though... its obviously a couple of divers swimming around what appears to be a reef, when in fact its a giant fish staring at them.
This will probably be the last update until next weekend as I'll be fairly busy throughout this week, but atleast I can take a moment and check out some of the excellent art Ive missed.
Thanks again for everyone who has taken the time to post a comment or critique and keep those sketches coming! - J
09-12-2005, 06:32 AM
man i love that new idea..... scary !!
09-13-2005, 12:47 PM
Great concept Joel, I like how you are experimenting with compositions.
will like to see more updates....:thumbsup:
09-13-2005, 01:24 PM
Your last sketch is great!
how about a rougher surface on the fish. Maby old harpoons sticking out and scars that makes it look ancient and maby out seeking for revenge?
09-13-2005, 04:38 PM
One hell of a fish man. Hope you keep workin on this concept. That's a really big fish :eek:
09-13-2005, 05:52 PM
I love your latest octopus stuff, the color are mindblowing and I just love that angle! I love the fact that you have included the viewer into the piece which is hard to achieve, especially with the last one that you did, I hope you stick with that concept, good luck with whatever you do Mecha Hate Chimp, holla!:thumbsup:
09-14-2005, 06:15 AM
Doing some image searching for reference photos of an octopus, I ran into this cool little vid:
Watching that thing move around makes me wish I would have started my concept in 3D. Im actually debating whether I should go ahead start modeling that bad boy in zbrush. If I have some time this week I might just do that.
i really like the aquatic bit of your image. i do hope you persue that ... i am sure there is soo much you can do with it... anything from it swollowing a sub or some divers. very strong image.
09-15-2005, 02:08 AM
A little refinement on the octopus.
I think Im going to stick with this layout for the moment. I took Andreas Rocha's suggestion of having the tentacles flow off the frame and I got to admit, I think it works well. I may play around a little more with the positioning of each tentacle but I feel Andreas was right as it now feels that the octopus is a bit larger and it fills out the frame better.
09-15-2005, 02:53 AM
Wonderful concept! I sometimes have nightmares about the deep sea, and this just scares me! I have no idea why, but this really gets my blood going, I love it!
My only suggestion is to make the octopus closer, like he's sneaking up behind the divers and they don't know it, but there's no escape.
09-15-2005, 06:41 AM
hey like the new modification and looks amazing! hmm i thougth octopus has 8 tenticales!:D oh and maybe u could add suns rays coming through octopus tenticles! :)!
09-15-2005, 06:56 AM
wow,it looks fabuluos now~u have actually captured the underwater feel pretty well
oh and maybe u could add suns rays coming through octopus tentacles
that'll look nice with such effects:)u could take consideration on that~:thumbsup:goodluck with the challenge
09-15-2005, 08:07 AM
very nice scene!excellent drawing.the comp is awesome too.:thumbsup:
09-15-2005, 08:15 AM
the tentacles are dead! They were perfect before, now they look like if the squid's
just been shot and the tentacles float limp in the water ...
09-15-2005, 09:35 AM
hmmm.. I think I have to agree with squibbit! Compositionally, the tentacles do look good rolling off the side of the image, but when they were pulled up infront of the body of the octopus, it really looked alive, like it had a purpose or was hunting them down.
Other than that, though, you've pulled off an underwater scene with incredible aplomb... water's probably one of the hardest things to paint convincingly in large masses, and this really has that great feel to it.
09-15-2005, 10:02 AM
Nice developments man. Great job with the tentacles! The octopus is about to eat the diver right? Why not contract the limbs a little towards the diver to make it seem like it's about to grab him. And perhaps some panicky bubbles bursting out of the diver under the oc, to make it seem like he's calling out to his buddy there... Just some thoughts. Keep it up, this is an awesome scene.
hmm myabe off frame is a way to go... but i think you took alot of the movement out of the creature. i liked the other more. maybe you could of make the tenicles longer or something... but now he looks more like a gellyfish :P
see... Squibbit and Zepyhri also thinks this :scream:
09-15-2005, 11:55 AM
What is missing at the moment r sunrays thru the water and playing with shadow between tentacles. at the moment its not clear enough that the octopus is above the diver... andu could wave those tentacles a bit so it will look more alive. Otherwise very good!
09-15-2005, 12:22 PM
Very nice work
i love the lighting very much
09-16-2005, 09:39 PM
Yes, movin' the tentacles off the canvas really worked well the octopus looks even larger, good stuff so far, holla!:scream:
09-17-2005, 10:08 AM
Nice lighting! keep posting!
Looks dangerous, keep up the good work!
09-18-2005, 06:14 AM
Ok, I think Im pretty close to settling on a final layout.
I took some more suggestions and now have one of the divers looking at the octopus. I like the way the diver in the foreground is looking and I think the layout flows nicely. I may nudge the angle on him a little more but I think Im going to keep him more or less in this position.
A few things more I will be doing are adjusting the reef a bit and redrawing the octopus. I should have a final layout within the week and I'll start refining my color studies.
Hi Mecha Hate Chimp. I love the colors and you have a nice composition.
Looks pretty good your work. I don't know, but may be you can put more action. For example. Take one tentacle and more near to the camera. That can give you more depth and action. Well just a tip.
09-18-2005, 12:41 PM
wow! :eek: I've mist soooo much since the last time i visited your thread. Amazing sketches! I think this last one is my favourite. Beautiful work!! Specatucalr indeed!
09-18-2005, 01:13 PM
Very nice colors and lights/shadows contrats on your last sketch, a lot of tension on your image :thumbsup:
09-18-2005, 01:15 PM
Yes!I think this sketch´s more dramatic with this guy turned around and scared:thumbsup:
09-18-2005, 04:24 PM
This is looking very nice and scary at the same time! I had a similar idea to this as well, but i quit that one hehe..
I love the bright light above the octopus!
09-18-2005, 08:46 PM
Nice. I could feel how tense this diver is on the foreground with this pose. And now that you created a kind of contrast to how the two divers are reacting to the situation, I can somewhat imagine the guy in the background just stiffed out coz of the specacular scene he's witnessing, with his eyes wide open out of awe... And I cant even see his eyes! Cool. Simple, yet Spectacular.
09-18-2005, 08:59 PM
Now that pose is a lot better, I stick with that pose, until the next post, I'll holla!:thumbsup:
09-18-2005, 09:13 PM
Comp looks good now, nice use of space and depth for sure. I'd think it would be interesting to add another light source like an underwater flare in the most foreground diver's hand... Might add more of a dramatic feel as well as you give you a chance to introduce some oranges and reds into the scene... Could add a good rim-light to the divers to seperate them from the bg. My2:)
09-18-2005, 09:40 PM
wow! This is really looking amazing! The sense of depth in that last sketch is astonishing.. the colour in the bottom diver is very astute, and you've brought back the curling tentacles, which is much better. Having changed the pose of the divers was a neat touch too, as it really makes it immediately obvious what is happening, you're not pondering over whether the octopus is dead, or just part of the marine life, you know the divers are in danger.
Lovely work this far though, keep it up!
09-18-2005, 11:44 PM
Wow, the most recent image looks amazing, excellent poses from both the divers and the octopus.
09-19-2005, 12:11 AM
ur last update is very good. I love the new poses of the divers but I have still problems with reading the size of the octopus. I think that u should use some covering in ur pic (octopus behind the second diver to show its scale).
09-19-2005, 06:20 AM
I messed around today with a few different animals. I think they look a little too typical and kinda boring. Im a little sick of the octopus although I fear thats probably the animal Im going to stick with.
09-19-2005, 06:22 AM
Shark test #1
09-19-2005, 06:23 AM
Shark test #2
Yeah... I couldnt help myself:)
09-19-2005, 07:20 AM
Wow, I really like the direction this took. Shark pic #2 is the stronger pic in my opinion. Scary!:eek:
09-19-2005, 07:36 AM
really liking the color... though i am a big fan on the tentacles. The second shark reminds me a lot of the original jaws poster. not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing =)
Good luck, its intresting to see how things are progressing...
09-19-2005, 07:37 AM
so Jaws, yet, so sweet :thumbsup:
i know you have it all planed in your mind but i kind of liked the octopus better...if it were as ig as the shark..:drool:
09-19-2005, 02:48 PM
James Kei – I guess as shark tests go, Id have to agree. Although I don’t think he looks that scary. Sharks with FREAKIN LAZERBEAMS… now that’s scary:D
Darksuit – Im with you man. I just made those shark sketches for fun:D I’m pretty much sold on the octopus too (or something in that vein). I just bought zbrush and I’ve been contemplating on designing an octopus-like creature in it to sort of force myself to really learn how to use the app. I can get my way around zbrush pretty good now but I really want to learn this app inside out. If I can force myself to spend sometime and really make the creature, I think it would be a valuable source for properly lighting the sea monster and the reef.
Squibbit – lol, thanks man:thumbsup:
Oro – I agree. I might do a few sketches with the octopus directly behind the divers but I really do like the way he is silhouetted against that bright bg, so I’m probably going to stick with it. The octopus definitely needs work though.
So I think I’m going to take a break from the challenge for the moment. I recently entered the Exotique call for entries from Ballistic Publishing and found out I have roughly less than 3 weeks to finish a character piece for my entry. I’m going to concentrate on this for the time being as I definitely have plenty of time to finish the Spectacular challenge.
Thanks again for everyone who has taken time to post comments, critiques, suggestions, or simply to look at my work! - J
09-19-2005, 03:35 PM
wow :eek: this is just getting better and better. I really like the last one great work!
09-19-2005, 04:10 PM
hi Joel , oh cool updates! i like both the octopus and the shark one! but if i have to pic octopus is the one :)! so what will it be....
09-19-2005, 04:30 PM
I especially like your Octupus. Nice sprawling tentacles. really gives the impression its going to drop right on you.
hey mann muchh better.. maybe this shark is too big..
best luck.. c ya.. ;)
09-19-2005, 06:43 PM
I like the last shark pic, very ominous. I'd suggest tilting the shark and opening its mouth real w-i-d-e...
09-19-2005, 08:09 PM
I'm a bit more fond of the Octopus myself. But I really like the angle and the light you're using. I especially like the 2 divers in the most recent version.
09-19-2005, 08:36 PM
I am more fond of the octupus, although the shark looks good as well!:thumbsup:
09-20-2005, 03:07 PM
At such position of the sun, a shark and divers bubbles from oxygen cylinders cannot shine on the sun, as they in a shadow from a shark.
It seems to me is possible to move a little a shark to the left, and the diver to the right (to deduce from a shadow). Or it is simply a little to move the sun. And a shark, it seems to me, it is possible to direct more strongly on the spectator, a little having bent is will give more dynamics
09-20-2005, 03:20 PM
I am more fond of the octupus, although the shark looks good as well!:thumbsup:
Me too, the octopus looks awesome. But, to me, the octopus doesn't look as threatening as it could. For some reason, I dunno...
09-20-2005, 05:03 PM
I follow your progress in your work, cause I really like the ambience of it. (It's only my opinion. I prefere the version with the octopus). The shark look to me too massive in the background (keep the size as it is). But i'm sure that you'll manage to maybe tone it down a bit. It look dangerous though. The mouth should be more open like if the shark is about to swallow the divers. I know that you are far from finish with your project and you'll keep the best for the end.
So that it for me now.
Keep up with your goooooooood work! =0)
I can't wait to see the end result!
09-20-2005, 07:37 PM
You ideas are getting more and more 'spectacular' :) Reminds me 'Jaws' :D
Good luck ;)
09-21-2005, 01:59 AM
I got a new wacom tablet today (Intuos 3) and had to test the bad boy out.
Speaking of bad boys, the idea came to me that Ive just been dicking around with namby pamby creatures of the deep.... when I should really be drawing something that strikes fear into the hearts of men...
... yes folks. Bob's Big Boy Aqua Sessions in full effect. Be afraid!
09-21-2005, 02:11 AM
:applause: he-he-he :)
09-21-2005, 02:38 AM
I would definately stay with the octopus. In part, because having a large octopus overhead is a frightening idea. Yet, the light coming through it gives it a beautiful quality. Myself, I'm trying for a sense of awe (sublime) -a balance between frightening and beautiful.
I think you lose something if all of the tentacles are out of the frame, yet having it centered in the overhead opening reveals it too completely. Perhaps the octopus should be entering the space.
Overall, beautifully lit and colored.
09-21-2005, 06:23 AM
Your thread made me laugh. Keep it up man. Nice concepts. :D
oh my god that is scary..imagin swimming down there and you feel something behind you and then you see that..aaaa..good idea!!have fun with your new tablet :bounce:
09-21-2005, 08:38 AM
Very good sketches
To me have very much liked
Especially light is well put.
Yours faithfully Alexander :thumbsup:
09-21-2005, 09:52 AM
wow all we need now is doctor Evils submarine..long hard and full of seamen hahaha
09-21-2005, 04:44 PM
hehe :D that's funny
Enkoy your new Intuos 3 :thumbsup:
The Shark test #2 that what i mean. But why shark?. The octopus was a really original Idea. Shark....mmmm i saw many times and remember me like a shark movie how is eating the people. Boring isn't it?.
Just put the Tentacle around the hip for the man. Give more action and more perspective.
The pictures are really nice. Keep like that.
09-22-2005, 08:30 AM
Stick with the octopuss because we all know how small they are, but in your pic the scale of it compared to the divers really makes it appear HUGE!!! If you look at your last shark idea it just looked like a normal shark... Nothing really astnishing! Just my Point of View!
09-22-2005, 08:37 AM
I think your compostion with the octopus in great and I like the way you've caught the moment of suprise.
Wow i would sure like to see the finished version of the Compostion with the Octopus or a giant squid... And maybe if you use the "OCto version" you can add a galley (big old ship) and change the scuba diver with old diving costumes you know one with a window in every direction and made of heavy cloth and metal boots and accesories... anyway i think its really spectacular... either way...
But if you prefer some realistic approach it would be wonderful to see a sinking sub marine or maybe a sinking ship.... Good work.... Liket it a lot...
09-22-2005, 01:51 PM
wow!!nice start with new tablet.:bounce: i need it too.:cry:
love the shark and octopus.love merman too.cheers.:thumbsup:
bahahaha!!! that is pure comedy man. great work.
09-22-2005, 07:50 PM
LMAO!!! XD ahha this is funny!! good thinking! :D
09-23-2005, 02:57 PM
Cool. Lotta concepts already since I last visited. You're buidling up hype on how you're gonna decide to make the image come out in the end man :buttrock: Keep em comin!
09-23-2005, 04:08 PM
yeah great image indeed, i'll be waiting for more
09-23-2005, 08:24 PM
hehe.. more grand than great white for sure :D r u planing to keep that big boy? And what concerns the shark, I think its a bit too big to be taken for real. But I still prefer the octopus while its not so comon animal to see around. nice sketches :)
09-26-2005, 06:12 PM
2xbo – Thank you for your comments… I didn’t plan on making the octopus attacking the divers. I like the idea of just having the octopus hovering overhead, capturing the moment of anticipation of what will happen next. I am considering a few other ideas that may incorporate a sea creature attacking the background diver but I won’t be working on new roughs until the weekend. BTW, that Intuos is pretty nice, but not a huge difference from the Graphire I was using. The programmable buttons are a nice addition though:)
Mason Roberts – Yeah, I’m pretty much sold on the octopus too. Those other sketches are just me messing around with different ideas but I agree that the octopus is the strongest of the bunch.
aaron111 – Thanks!
YIIT – Thanks for your comments. I initially thought about using the old school dive suits but decided against them just out of simple preference for more contemporary diving equipment. I want to make this a very simple image so I have no plans of adding ships or other secondary subjects to the background. My main concern is just making the image plausible and staying away from more action/scifi based illustration.
xric7 – Thanks, thanks, and thanks! BTW, the Graphire3 is the tablet I used to use and it’s not much different from the Intuos apart from its missing a few extras. If you have the cash, get the Intuos, it really is a nice tablet but if you’re strapped for green, the Graphire would be my second option.
Slav – Glad you liked that last sketch! I think deep down inside we’ve all wanted to secretly draw a Bob’s Big Boy into our illustrations at some point in time. And in a moment of weakness, I couldn’t resist:D
Silveraxe – Thanks!
ahbeejieh – Thanks dude J Im still in sketch mode so you’ll probably see another handful of sketches from me before I make a final decision.
Crying Horn – Thank you!
NinjaASSN – Thank you as well! No plans for keeping the sharks or Big Boy, but I’ll still be messing around with more sketches until I get something that finally sticks.
Thank you all for your questions comments and critiques, they are extremely appreciated. I’ll be posting some more sketch work up throughout the week. - J
hehe the only thing its really missing now... is a GIANT doughnut.
but on a more serious not... i think the best thus far i think is the squid. i dont know why ... well actually i do. its the most dynamic ... it has alot of movement ... something the other versions of your image seem to lack.
i dont know... my 2 cents :P
09-27-2005, 06:43 PM
Wow, this lighting and composition is incredible! The only thing is, I think it looks kind of weird. Where is this giant floating person coming from? Is he attacking them?
09-27-2005, 06:46 PM
Sorry, I didn't have time to read your whole thread but I did go back and see the octopus that you had originally and I think it would be alot cooler than the hamburger guy. Either an octopus or a HUGE shark or something scary along those lines. You could even make up an aquatic creature! I'm just not liking the hamburger boy!
09-27-2005, 08:40 PM
Awesome compositions! Quite eye-catching. And I love the Big Boy, by the way :D
09-27-2005, 08:44 PM
Just droppin' by to see what is goin' on in your neck of the woods, waiting for an update!:scream:
09-27-2005, 09:39 PM
it's really one of the spetacularest concept. Past sketches like that too, but this is really unespected even for us, i can't imagine that what the diver's idea...
really concept is going pretentious...
go on bro....
09-27-2005, 09:44 PM
Bob's big boy went and franchized under water now... I guess that and space are the only places left... HeHe. Funny image for sure.
I'm leaning towards the octo version as well.
09-28-2005, 02:15 AM
Well, since Big Boy gets no love around here, I decided to stick to my original plan and use the octopus instead...:)
Im experimenting with the lighting a bit and starting to tighten up my image. I like the darker setting although its hard to pull off detail when the image is this dark...then again, those silhouettes do let me get away with alot.
I'll start adding some small details to the reef next and cleaning up the octopus a bit. I was thinking of having the background diver holding some kind of light that would be pointing up at the octopus to maybe bring it out a bit. This would also help bring out the diver as well, since he already looks like he's being lit up from the front.
Im on the fence with the foreground diver. I might make him larger and closer to the viewer. I have a few more sketches I want to play around before I decide on a final layout.
09-28-2005, 03:09 AM
MUCH BETTER now! I'm happy you went back with the octopus. I'm loving this already. Keep it up!
09-28-2005, 07:21 AM
nice with the lighting, maybe have a secondary light come from the bottom of the diver in the forground just a thought, holla!
09-28-2005, 07:44 AM
That´s the way to go! This looks so freaking!
As Beelow said, a secondary light could help adding some details. Maby a dropped torchlit lighting from below?
09-28-2005, 08:33 AM
Hello Joel! :) so happy to see octopus's back!:bounce: i agree with Norberg and beelow, try to add a second lighting..it's too dark to me...good good continuation man! see yaaaaaa:)
09-28-2005, 08:39 AM
This was the best one man!!
Your loosing it with these new designs!!!
DON'T LOOSE IT!!!
09-28-2005, 01:13 PM
Wow thats Cool! Why dont u add some torch to the downer guy? That would be cool!
09-28-2005, 01:18 PM
Wow! I have done some diving myself.. If i would have been that diver looking up at something like that i would probably shit myself, pass out and die from inhaling water.. scray stuff!
09-28-2005, 02:02 PM
Hey Joel... glad to see you're sticking with the octopus.. though just a thought... have you ever heard of a rare giant squid called vampire atoothis? An actual animal, not as big as your monster, but it has this amazing impressive 'cloak' when it opens its tentacles, might be another alternative to try. But I do love the octopus too, and with another light source added like a torch or something, I think you'll be onto a winner. Definitely one of the few images I've seen that really fulfils the challenge brief AND is original. Great stuff.
09-28-2005, 05:13 PM
wow looking good! This definatly makes the piece look more dramatic. Perhaps if you want to add a secondary lighting, torch light?? most divers have some sort of underwater torch light.
09-28-2005, 05:45 PM
I really like this one :)
I agree whit the secondary light-idea that was mentioned, could be really intrestng.
Keep it up :thumbsup:
it's a wee bit to dark for any real detail to come out --> secondary light...looks great so far!:applause:
i know it's just a sketch but i don't get the octopus..it looks strange to me...
09-28-2005, 07:44 PM
Wise decision, I love the idea of the octopus, it fits way more with the talent you have, but Big Boy was funny while it last was just a bit to Austin Power for my liking
09-28-2005, 08:03 PM
this black are great! i'm afraid....:)
good luck here!
09-28-2005, 08:04 PM
I do have to agree some extra lighting on the octopus and diver and some secondary would be great, but it's already shaping up to be damn sweet.
09-28-2005, 08:06 PM
I like this version. I would experiment with adding more backlight behind the octopus. I also agree that you should try adding a secondary light, a dim and diffuse light - just enough to allow you to highlight some more details.
09-29-2005, 12:19 AM
this is what i think of big boy
great job so far homie.........too bad some of these mofo's take our sense of humor a little too serious!
now finish it!
09-29-2005, 08:51 PM
i like that you made it darker, but i still love the bright rays coming from the surface.. it made really nice contrast.
also i think it was better when the octopus was a little above them, but not too close.
one last thing (hope you wont hate me after all this eheh) the tantacles could be thicker, that would make the animal look more strong and frightening. :D
10-02-2005, 12:30 AM
Amazing stuff you have here… I like the octopus best – with one diver looking up in the background and one looking back in the foreground.
The octopus spreading its tentacles so that his flesh is translucent is really great.
I've been pondering a water scene too, you set the bar rally high!
Keep up the good work.
10-02-2005, 08:12 AM
very cool use of light, want to semore, cheers :twisted:
10-02-2005, 09:43 AM
I also agree that this is a nice night shot. And I would also suggest to bring some additional secundary light sources, for an example, divers blowtorches. The one in the first plan could lighten those 2 characters up there and thats how u bring some colors into the pic as well. keep going, u r doing great :)
10-02-2005, 11:31 AM
hei Joel ...yess like the colouring ...gives off that eerie feeling of unavoidable danger!
hmm the octopus looks a bit strange though!
10-02-2005, 05:46 PM
Cool concept I would go with the lighting scheme that u did in the concept sketch I love the brightness to it. I also like your diver in the latest entry u made keep it up :-)
10-03-2005, 08:18 PM
hey buddy, nice painting... all your concepts looks great, but the new one is better.... scary...:buttrock: I'll wait to see more!!!
10-06-2005, 04:25 AM
Just messing around in zbrush. I plan on making some low poly models that I can light and render in lightwave to get a better idea of where my lights will be.
This is also giving me an excuse to force myself to learn a bit more about 3D and at the same time help compliment what Im trying to do with my 2D illustration.
10-06-2005, 05:30 AM
Really beautiful. I you put something in the painting to indicate the garganteuos size of this creature it might be more spectacular. I love the flow of the tentacles.
10-06-2005, 05:49 AM
Nice going with the ZBrush thing... love to see how you mesh this one out. you plan to do more elements in 3D ?
10-06-2005, 06:16 AM
Nice going with the ZBrush thing... love to see how you mesh this one out. you plan to do more elements in 3D ?
Just basic low poly stuff. Nothing major. Im modeling the reef right now and will post that later. Im trying to get basic shapes made to layout in lightwave and do some light tests. All I really want is to get a rough idea of where the light will hit. I can then use that as a guide to correctly light my final image.
10-06-2005, 06:55 AM
Some terrain for the reef.
10-07-2005, 05:42 PM
hehe, promissing piece! lol havin fun with zbrush as i see ;) keep up the great work!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
10-13-2005, 01:23 PM
waoh! nice zbing !:thumbsup: and cool technique man ... maybe u could even make a nice octo model out of zbrush later!!:)
10-19-2005, 01:26 AM
Well, Ive been taking my time to learn ZBrush and Lightwave as best I can.
Above are some suckers for the octopus and figure which will eventually become my diver(s). I'll eventually add a little more to the diver model like a tank, flippers and goggles.
As it stands, Im still doing a 2D entry even if I am working with 3D. I really do enjoy the flexibility of of adjusting a scene in 3D, especially when it comes to lighting.
I'll be working on hopefully getting a few test renders out of Lightwave this weekend to use for light references and I'll post those next.
11-13-2005, 06:05 PM
Low-poly character built in zbrush.
11-13-2005, 06:07 PM
Low-poly diver built in Lightwave.
11-13-2005, 06:12 PM
11-13-2005, 06:22 PM
I originally planned on just making some rough models that I could light in a scene for light referencing. I didnt plan on it taking up as much time as it did but I honestly say I learned quite a few things which will help me out in the future.
Anyway, this is my first light test. It was put together very quickly in layout and lit with two light sources. This is more or less how I envision the light to be. I will definitely do a few more light tests and maybe adjust the camera angle on the shot.
Due to the amount of time left on the challenge I'll probably start working on my coloring this so I dont fall behind, and Im hoping I can get most the image completed before Thanksgiving as I will be out of town and will not be able to work on the illustration for a few days.
11-13-2005, 06:49 PM
Fantastic work! Whish I could do something like that. It looks so simle and yet so detailed. Underwater scenes are not that common, but if i could i would make one. I really love this one.
11-13-2005, 07:43 PM
Nice 2 c that u r back in the competition, good looking models so far good luck dude!:thumbsup:
11-16-2005, 07:17 AM
Well, Im now in the coloring phase.
After debating a bit and looking at the time frame I have to finish this piece, I've decided to stick with my original sketch. It was said before that the sketch where the diver in the foreground is turning dynamically to view the scene was my strongest sketch. I have to agree , and for the sake of time, I will be using it as the reference for my final image.
Work on the reef(s) is next. -J
super image. i really like how you have done the water and the squid it self. keep on rocking! :wip: :wip:
11-16-2005, 02:56 PM
you hook me, with your first sketch, it's awesome composition and great color palette, i'm so pending of your next pieces
11-16-2005, 06:11 PM
Beautiful blues. Great idea. I personally liked the sketch with the diver closest to the foreground, it seemed to be the most dynamic, but they all look good, and im sure the final version will be the best.
11-17-2005, 04:56 AM
I worked on the reef a bit today. I've been using my picker tool to pull colors from some of my photo references and then adjusting the layer with color overlay. So far its been helping me get the colors to sit better in the image.
Im still detailing the reef which is probably what I would consider the hardest part of the image. Right now its looking pretty bland but I'll start tightening it up shortly.
I think the most difficult part is trying to add the detail to the reef but not so much where it starts distracting from the other elements.
After the reef I'll start working on the background diver and finally the foreground diver.
11-17-2005, 08:02 AM
Hi Mecha Hate Chimp
Nice work. Regarding your last image,...
Overall, I love the detail youve put on the costume and the expression on the matadors face which to me is a mixture of emotions from fear, uncertainty, courage & determination. Great work. - J
Originally Posted by Mecha Hate Chimp
Nice work. Regarding your last image, I like how you added the extra on the matadors face which made him stand out a bit more from the background. The lower half of the image feels like it gets lost a bit though. I think youre on the right direction which your lighting but maybe you should consider adjusting your shadows a bit more, which I believe will make the image really pop out at the viewer.
Overall, I love the detail youve put on the costume and the expression on the matadors face which to me is a mixture of emotions from fear, uncertainty, courage & determination. Great work. - J
Thanks for your comments, and words of praise, you are right on all counts so I hope to adjust things for the final image, I have spent some time on the face so I will have new updates soon, I want to re-work the arch, add a keystone and cracks, and of couse the stadium and yes the legs are lost a little, thank you for your expert eye, I hope I can stay true to the original concept.
I like your idea, and composition it leaves alot of room to explore, you could add a human or mermaid even if you have time, no real crits, look forward to the final image
11-17-2005, 09:40 AM
Are you sure is not a photo???? :eek: , wow great painting skills.
11-17-2005, 09:50 AM
The ocean, his atmosphere is very well transferred... Fine Colors ... Beautiful work!)
11-17-2005, 02:22 PM
Not doing the 3d? It is looking nice as always!:)
11-17-2005, 10:10 PM
The original scene is really seems impressive. There is a little motion blur and lens effect about light and they seems very natural.
looking forward to see next steps.....
11-18-2005, 05:13 AM
I added the roughed out background diver to the scene so I could work out sizing for the octopus. I also added a little detail to the octopus to make it pop out a little more.
Initially, I wanted to finish sections of the illustration one at a time but I think I'll add all the pieces in now so I can work out a feel for the final layout and coloring. The foreground diver is next.
11-18-2005, 10:45 AM
I like to beee....under the seaa...:D It´s coming along good!Love the light. The fact that the bubbles are in the same straight line with the octopus perhaps plays down greatness to the big one. I should increase a bit more the size of the mollusc.
Anyway,good job and good luck again!:thumbsup:
Oh,and I like the loneliness of the guy too.:)
11-18-2005, 03:25 PM
love the pic, the sense of scale is really well handled, great stuff.
just curious, did you do the Perfect Dark Cartoon a few years back? ( i think i recognize your style)
11-19-2005, 02:13 AM
Hi, This is Voytek. Your idea is lovely. That could be very spectacular. Good luck.
11-22-2005, 06:23 AM
Foreground Diver WIP.
One of the funniest things I read today was found as I was looking for scuba diving equipment to reference online. There was a site I ran into that sold pretty dope scuba gear but had a warning on some of its diving computers that were not calibrated correctly. To quote the site:
"Diving with an improperly calibrated dive computer will provide inaccurate No Decompression (no stop) Time, Decompression Time, Desaturation Time and No Fly Time, and could result in serious injury, including Decompression Sickness due to Omitted or Insufficient Decompression!"
Apparently being eaten by a giant octopus isnt enough! :)
So I worked out some of the colors for the main diver today. I'm still up in the air about adding a second light source coming from the bottom though. I did a few light tests in lightwave and didnt like the way they came out. I've also been referencing lighting conditions in deep sea photographs and its almost always volumetric light coming from the top. I'm kinda liking the way it looks at the moment so chances are I'll probably stick to what I have.
The reef still needs serious help, I feel it doesnt fit in at all so I'll probably devote most of my time to it next. I plan on tightening up the rest of the image little by little but this will be the last update I make until I return next week from vacation. - J
11-22-2005, 03:19 PM
it seems as thoug everyone whoposted in my thread is doing something that i imagine doing
good thing i went really far out .This is nice though, only thing is i'd go less blue on the characters if you take a look at more under water scenes you'll see it is possible to still have rich colour even though you might think it's logical to help with the setting of the characters in the water by making them so blue, but that could be done by simply adding debris and adding blue to the shadows , anyone see the finding nemo dvd.
11-22-2005, 05:18 PM
This is nice though, only thing is i'd go less blue on the characters if you take a look at more under water scenes you'll see it is possible to still have rich colour even though you might think it's logical to help with the setting of the characters in the water by making them so blue, but that could be done by simply adding debris and adding blue to the shadows , anyone see the finding nemo dvd.
Thank you for your comments. In the last few months I've had to study underwater photography, there are definitely some incredibly rich and stunning colors in the ocean that are just as vibrant as the colors used in films like Finding Nemo. These sorts of scenes are common when there is plenty of light surrounding the objects and are also affected by factors such as the volume and clarity of the water.
The lighting conditions I chose to stick with follow more along the lines where my light source is limited and subdued, creating a display almost monotone in nature. I wanted to use this as an effect to emphasize the impression a dark and murky scene has on the viewer. I chose to paint in a semi-photorealistic style, so I’ve tried to be very careful with this decision by paying close attention to my photo references and trying to understand how light affects objects underwater in these specific conditions. The desired effect I'm shooting for is more along these lines:
As opposed to this:
It’s definitely different and probably not as pleasing to look at as a scene with vibrant colors. I wanted to test myself to see if I could stay away from the temptation of relying on rich colors to make my scene more dynamic. I've definitely learned a few things about how light works with this kind of image and I'm hoping to make the final illustration as believable as best I can. - J
11-23-2005, 05:51 AM
This is looking great! There are many beautiful parts, but i especially love one of the first elements, the shine of light on the water above the octopus' head. There are a few areas where things overlap a little awkwardly, making the pic a little hard to read, but i know that you're still assembling things in layers and will still adjust some. (I find the placement of the front diver's hand right along with the ovto-tentacle a little hard to read.) But this is coming out great, can't wait to see it all together.. .good luck!
11-23-2005, 01:51 PM
I think your piece is strong. I like the atmosphere you've created. What I think the pieace needs more of is depth. You can put more space between the the divers and the octopus. I think we'd get a more ominous feeling from a creature that is off in the distance but not quite in our faces. One example that comes to mind is a scene from finding nemo, I know it's a childrens animated film but the scene in particular is appropriate. Nemo and his new friend(can't remember her name)were asking directions to sydney, off into the distance, just barely visible, is a baracuda. They didn't know what it was exactly but it was creapy to them. Thats the feeling i think your picture could convay.
It's looking very nice. Looking forward to seeing how it developes further.
p.s. I'd appreciate it if you would check out my entry as well and leave a comment or two. thanks.
11-23-2005, 08:22 PM
Damn! Im so amazed by the way u painted that water up there :O really a masterpiece, and also all those textures on the reef, I admire u. Just hoping that u will go on in this style and everything will be that photorealistic at the end. good luck! :)
11-23-2005, 08:45 PM
This composition is way strong. The contrast reads well, even in your thumb. I like the octo where it is, nice use of space and nice translation of scale. The lighting, though sort of one sided, color wise, is realistic.
No real crits from me, I guess... Good luck!
11-26-2005, 01:27 PM
Joel, This is looking great. The background diver looks like he is being drawn into the beasts maw. Great Mood on this.
11-26-2005, 04:21 PM
ok mech i get it i guess i just like colour and detail alot , i mean look at my avatar .
but i did not actually mean fish tank bright lighting there is a balance
good luck man
11-29-2005, 03:42 PM
This is awesome, the emotion contained within this scene is breath taking. Its pretty scary, but spectacular at the same time.
11-29-2005, 04:15 PM
The mood of this is piece is, as said before, really awesome!
my only suggestion at this point is to enhance how big the octopus is.
Ok, It`s clear it's huge, but maybe something closer to it (like another diver or a ship on the surface) could make a better size comparison.
my R$ 0,02 (I don't have dollars :P)
12-04-2005, 07:05 AM
I'm done with coloring. At this point I'm just going to tweak a few things, maybe add a few more small fish near the edge of the reef. The bulk of my work is done, now I can just have fun tidying up the little details. I should have this completed early tomorrow. - J
12-04-2005, 07:11 AM
Nice entry, Mecha Hate Chimp! Overall compo and lighting is nice combined with a nice almost photorealism, Good luck dude!:thumbsup:
12-04-2005, 06:01 PM
"We had been diving off the coast of Okinawa's Seragaki Beach when the incident occured.
It was about mid afternoon and we had snorkled a mile from the beach when we began our dive. At about 45 feet below the surface, I heard a high-pitched hissing sound coming from Ken's equipment. It was apparent that he was having some trouble breathing so we surfaced immediately to fix the problem. I checked his oxygen valve which appeared to be working correctly. We stayed afloat for about twenty minutes, checking our equipment carefully before making our descent once again.
Ten minutes later , I heard the hissing noise once more and turned to face Ken who was snorkeling about 30 feet behind me. As I began to swim towards him, the light overhead was suddenly obscured by what appeared to be a blanket of tentacles. There was a moment of darkness, followed by a feeling of heavy movement above us, and then it was gone. I looked up to see Ken frantically waving his arms in an attempt to ascend. It did not take long to realize this would be a good time for me to do the same. We swam furiously toward the surface, swallowing ocean water along the way. And as we reached it, coughing up water and gasping for air, a feeling of absolute terror and bewilderment consumed us; a feeling brought on by a harrowing and spectacular underwater event."
12-04-2005, 06:12 PM
Well, I finally finished it. I don't think I've ever worked as long or as hard on an illustration as I have for the one in this challenge. I learned quite a bit along the way, not just from myself but by watching some of the great artists on this forum work. It was an awesome experience and even more awesome is the feeling of knowing I finally finished my first challenge:beer:
I want to take the time to thank everyone who has critiqued, commented, or simply took the time to view my work. It's been a pleasure and I look forward to doing the next challenge. Cheers! - Joel
12-04-2005, 06:38 PM
i always liked this original setup the best, good work dude, i rate this one high
i love it! great work i i think its very simple and effective :)
but then again i knew it would turn out great! now we can good and drink some :beer:
Ourstanding work!! good luck
12-04-2005, 10:37 PM
The feel and mood of the image is very, very realistic! And you wrote something about excluding the "bright and happy" colors, correct! I dont know if you have been diving? If you havent.. This is what it looks like, exept for the giant octopus! :P I have seen octopuses but a little bit smaller than yours.. They switch colors, didnt know this before i saw them, cool creatures.. Great job!
Congrats on finishing and good luck with the judging!
12-04-2005, 11:53 PM
Very nice scene ! Very dramatic. I think it just needs a little more water distorction effect.
Other than that is fantastic !
12-05-2005, 12:06 AM
Joe,congrats for your efforts on this piece, you´ve finished it!:thumbsup: Exciting and interesting piece and good technique, good luck with this challenge!
12-07-2005, 05:21 PM
It turned out really well. Best of luck.
12-07-2005, 05:26 PM
One of my favorites......thats all...!
12-07-2005, 06:00 PM
Great work, Joel! Congrats! I am always amazed whenever I look at the lighting in tis piece, especially on the top half. Wonderful work!
12-07-2005, 06:12 PM
nice final image.... I love the efect in the water.... good luck... :thumbsup: :bounce:
12-08-2005, 03:25 PM
stunning painting! I love the lighting, wonderful painting skills you have. Good luck with your entry.
12-08-2005, 03:35 PM
Maybe I would put fev more details on i tbut I am detail freak :P Other then that pic i really nice. Felleng of deep water is superb :]
12-08-2005, 08:24 PM
Congratulations, Joel! This picture came out excellent. The suface of the water is perfect. Great composition overall. Good luck in the judging.
12-14-2005, 10:03 PM
Wow its awesome - I love the translucency that you convey - on the Octopus - the mossy coral - and the colour change on the school of fish - looks very nice!
12-24-2005, 08:33 PM
Joel you work are one of my favorite ones for win this challenge, you are great, my best wishes! merry christmas!
12-29-2005, 04:58 PM
my suggestions, make the mountain[yeah i know it ain't mountain] at the back more blur, give more blur to the second diver it would make more realistic depth of field... i would give more details to the first scuba diver... i would try to make some expression on his face.... center attention on composition and it will be really great work!!!
01-13-2006, 12:33 PM
Sorry Joel, I´d give you an award hehe.:thumbsup: Good luck for the next one!
01-13-2006, 12:48 PM
Sorry Joel, I´d give you an award hehe
I'd give you another. I liked this version of the pic from the start,de
creepy waters.. heh, excellent job
01-13-2006, 02:31 PM
Gonzalo and Sqib - LOL thanks! :) I learned a ton from this challenge and I had a great time participating and looking at all the great work. Considering the amount of of outstanding art they had to sift through, I think the judges did a good job choosing the winners and runner ups. I had a blast with this challenge and Im anxious for the next one to start. Hope to see you guys there! :beer:
01-13-2006, 02:49 PM
Im anxious for the next one to start. Hope to see you guys there! :beer:
as sure as the sun comes up :thumbsup: :beer:
01-13-2006, 02:49 PM
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