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arLutiK
09-06-2005, 05:37 AM
Gerard Jaran is entered in the "Spectacular Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/spectacular/view_entries.php?challenger=8124)

Latest Update: Modeling: Maori in boat
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1130521336_medium.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=2776464#post2776464)

ace4016
09-06-2005, 05:56 AM
Great to see you joined. Good luck:thumbsup:

arLutiK
09-06-2005, 05:59 AM
Well here's my idea, and it came to me right away what is a good sign

Lately I've been working on an animation of an Humback making a breach for the GLU3D contest, but I was working with a model i had but didn't do since the contest focus on animation and not modeling (and lack of time).

So I will model one for this contest, but a Humpback ain't spectacular enough yet, so I decided to go with the biggest whale of all the Blue whale good start.

But I need it to do something spectacular, we all know humpack can do more then breach but jump out of the water like dolphins and Killer whales, but do blue whales jump, no one ever saw one do it so we have no idea, they have been seen breaching but jumping out of the water never. So here's something spectacular and maybe even plosible. But then again for some people, it wouldn't be spectacular enough, so I decided to give the Blue whale a trainer andd will put him on the tip of the nose of the Blue Whale like trainers do with Killer whales, just so you can imagine how big a blue whale is the bigest was 33 meters (not foot but meters) long, so my trainer won't be that big in my image. So if I would actually see a guy been puch by the nose of a blue whale jumping out of the water I think I would be really impress and would say I saw something spectacular.


What is great is I'll be able to push my particle experimentation even further then I did in the past weeks and on top of that give me more experience in whale modeling something i need cause I plan to realise a documentary on whales one of these days (if I ever find the funding)

So good luck to all, I will post my sketches in the next few days.

Now let's go see who entered already this contest.

ace4016
09-06-2005, 06:19 AM
Sounds like a spectacular sight to see. Just the sight of a blue whale would be spectacular, and the human trainer would really show its scale. I always wanted to try out GLU3D...maybe one day far in the future.

arLutiK
09-06-2005, 06:36 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1125984962_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1125984962_large.jpg)

GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!

Ok well this is my concept, I've explained it in my previous post.

Lemog
09-06-2005, 06:41 AM
Welcome here Gerard... I can see you already have a very good idea/concept... great :thumbsup:

Gunilla
09-06-2005, 06:45 AM
Hi Gerard, love your concept! It looks very promising - good luck and have fun!

ihamid
09-06-2005, 06:50 AM
hullo...welcome again gerard! ... thats a wicked one. good luck!:)

antone-m
09-06-2005, 06:50 AM
cool whale :drool: (I tried to draw it for my idea but failed:cry: ) :bounce:

TheFirstAngel
09-06-2005, 08:07 AM
looks like a great whaleride ahead! just came to wish you best of luck and loadsa fun mate! hehe, and enjoy the ride :) :beer:

MichaelZHsee
09-06-2005, 08:09 AM
now that is interesting~having a guy standing on the tip of the whale mouth~who would have expected that~nice one.best of luck mate~!:scream:

gpepper
09-06-2005, 08:10 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1125984962_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1125984962_large.jpg)

GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!

Ok well this is my concept, I've explained it in my previous post.

ça me rappelle mes vacances cette été au Canada !
Une sorte de dresseur de baleine à Tadoussac ! ahah ! :lol:

looks like a great whaleride ahead! just came to wish you best of luck and loadsa fun mate! hehe, and enjoy the ride :) :beer:

I think we say "Wallride"... :argh:

monsitj
09-06-2005, 08:52 AM
cool Idea man! can't wait to see your model , !!! good luck and have fun!

arLutiK
09-06-2005, 08:58 AM
Been evaluating the stituation and at that size I'm gona choke my machine again with the number of particles I'll need to generate, I'm gona need lots of layering in composition.

Yikes once again my new theory works, go with the simple idea to find out it will be the hardest.

superslug
09-06-2005, 09:15 AM
Good luck....!

umbrellasky
09-06-2005, 09:28 AM
Yeah! cool idea. Good luck with your progress! :)

mmoir
09-06-2005, 01:34 PM
Hey Gerard,
Good luck with your entry, will be watching to see what you come up with.

DimitrisLiatsos
09-06-2005, 02:37 PM
Subscribed...:bounce:

arLutiK
09-06-2005, 07:27 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126031263_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126031263_large.jpg)

Ok this is to give you an idea of the size fo the whale, mine will be more twisted then straight and more arced, but this is pretty much what I'm planning to do, then biggest pain will be the incredible amount of particles i'll need to generate because of the size of the final.

eYadNesS
09-06-2005, 07:42 PM
Wow, very nice... it will be great :)

monsitj
09-06-2005, 07:42 PM
yes ! your concept is the most fit to the topic ! and i will come out very cool!

Zapan
09-06-2005, 08:18 PM
Woa excellent concept...

This should be very impressive. I love the idea.
Good luck with this one , I'll keep an eye on it for sure :bounce: :bounce:

arLutiK
09-06-2005, 09:31 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126038668_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126038668_large.jpg)

Well it's a GO!, I officially started the modeling and it's going whale oops well by my standards, I think this is going to be a spectacular challenge! ( I got to stop with the cliches)

Pooyag
09-06-2005, 09:40 PM
that's totally a cool Idea....bring it on pal:thumbsup:

WesleyTack
09-06-2005, 09:44 PM
very very nice idea/concept ! bookmarked ! :)

Yongkiat
09-07-2005, 04:58 AM
Interesting idea about the sketch. It would definately be a spectacle to look at. Thw whale's quite huge as well :)

Yong

blakbird
09-07-2005, 07:38 AM
Glad to see you here again
Best wishes :)
Let the best wins

arLutiK
09-07-2005, 08:21 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126077662_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126077662_large.jpg)

Ok well I'm stoping for now.

I got a good start here.

Lemog
09-07-2005, 08:46 AM
Yes, that seem good... well start Gérard :thumbsup:

Yongkiat
09-07-2005, 09:15 AM
The model comes about very nicely. Actually last year I went to see a whale show in Thailand-Safari World (white whale-smaller one that depicted here) but the sight was really something to look at. I think you on the right direction!

Yong

arLutiK
09-08-2005, 04:41 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126150879_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126150879_large.jpg)

This is the main shape of the body, I really need to study the muscular structure of the blue whale, I found some good underwater picture of one and it gives me good refs, I'll look around for more, they're are a few whales that are similar and more common then the majestic blue.

On the other hand was thinking of going a bit in the veins of the whale rider and put a Maori with cool tatoos instead of a guy in a wet suit on the top of the nose.

The hard part in all this will be the water dripping down, my animation barely have any, this will be very different experience been an image I can put more and have look like I want, then again I'm not there yet.

For the water I pretty much have a cool way of doing it, I'll make a sort of tutorial wwhen I do it (but it's all in the shader and that's the hard part cause it all depends on wich renderer you use, personaly I use finalRender and nothing else)

Well I guess that's it for today.

Thanx all for your comments they're really appreciated.

DaddyMack
09-08-2005, 05:43 AM
:cry: Wicked concept G! and off to a fine start modelling too;)
Will be fun to watch...

Yongkiat
09-08-2005, 06:05 AM
Cool, got the main body roughed out. I think once you added the muscle flow/form to it, the Whale will look just awesome!

Maxter
09-10-2005, 08:22 PM
Nice sketches arlutik

Your concept is "spectacular"

good luck!!:thumbsup:

Pooyag
09-11-2005, 02:47 PM
i know what you mean about the researching stuff...with that in mind....great update:thumbsup:

profg
09-11-2005, 02:54 PM
Wow, I love this. Really original, and funny concept. Nice model of the whale. Perhaps it would look even more spectacular, if the whale was doing some nice trick submerged. Unfortunately, I have no idea, how would that be possible.

percydaman
09-11-2005, 03:41 PM
nice job so far. am thinking this could be really great.

arLutiK
09-13-2005, 12:50 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126569044_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126569044_large.jpg)

Well not a big update, but I'm glad that part is done. Been having problem with my laptop getting some random reboots, I think my graphic card is overheating.

I might take a break from the whale and start the water, I'm having a hard time picturing my composition, maybe by doing other elements it will help.

Thanks all for your comments, they're always apreciated.

Arc80
09-13-2005, 12:59 AM
Nice to see you again bro! The idea sounds interesting and i see you have a great start.
Goodluck and i'll be watching for the progress. Show them what a whale can do, hehehe. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

cheers bro

antone-m
09-13-2005, 06:40 AM
cool modeling so far no crits:thumbsup: (sorry I don`t know alot about whales :bounce: )

arLutiK
09-13-2005, 08:41 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126597289_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126597289_large.jpg)

Ok well, I reshaped the jaw and the body, to give it more the real form, made the eye but will have wrickles around once I figure out how I'll make them, I left the mouth open a bit cause I want the baleens to show.

I've worked a bit more on my concept image and my rider will be a maori, and next to the whale on the water I'll have parts of a Waka(maori war canoe of 25 meters long) showing with more maoris in it, it should be fun to model.

Whale oops well that's it for now, thanx all.

mmoir
09-14-2005, 12:36 AM
Hey Gerard,

The whale is looking good so far. The maori in the boat should help out the composition, maybe you could add something in the air that the Maori on the whales mouth or the whale it self wants to catch , maybe a bird or something.

Keep up the good work.

arLutiK
09-14-2005, 08:02 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126681327_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126681327_large.jpg)

Done with the whale, well need to do wrinkles in the bag under the mouth.

Will look around modeling tut to see if i can find a good way.

Shortgrey
09-14-2005, 12:31 PM
Great concept, cela me fait penser a mes vacances a san diego avec l'orque SHAMU et son dresseur.


Perhaps i can suggest one thing....
What about doing a camera angle half underwater and half outside the water, this could be cool with caustic reflection underwater and bright sun outside.

Just an idea.

arLutiK
09-14-2005, 06:34 PM
I tought of that but since I have a boat in the scene that is like 25 meters long, I can't and on top of that somebody is already doing that with a fish and fisherman, and the other detail is that my whale is out of the water almost flying, well you'll see I'm not there yet still building stuff before I start playing around with the camera, you never know might go with the idea if I find it fits.

arLutiK
09-15-2005, 09:49 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126774177_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126774177_large.jpg)

I started the Waka (Maori Canoe) the sculpt part was long, but I'm very satisfied with it it's going to look nice all around the boat, tomorrow I'll attack the front and back of the boat.

Now I need sleep.

Gunilla
09-15-2005, 12:17 PM
Beautiful detail for the boat :thumbsup: Where will it be in the scene? Beside the whale at sealevel?

Very joyful mood on this so far - like it a lot!

Lemog
09-15-2005, 01:28 PM
Very nice detail Gérard... a real charming whale shape... :thumbsup: That remain me when I've sculpted a zebra on the door of a piece of furniture in my bathroom. Good Idea mate.

claudiojordao
09-15-2005, 02:59 PM
Hello, what a beautiful concept friend... a great idea and a very fresh way to expose it. Really cool. Good luck.

arLutiK
09-15-2005, 09:17 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126815433_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126815433_large.jpg)

A little update, took me all afternoon.

Thanx for my comments all.

I miss Blackdidthis comments :(

Lemog
09-15-2005, 09:32 PM
That's come along nicely... very original boat Gérard... bravo :applause:

mmoir
09-15-2005, 10:01 PM
Hey Gerard,
The Maori boat detail looks great, is it possible to alternate a simlpler detail in between the highly detailed ones , maybe this would make the fish detail on the boats edge jump out more. Just a thought though and I may be all wet here. Its looking good and am waiting for your next update.

ace4016
09-16-2005, 12:07 AM
Great modeling. With the waka, the designs on it seem a bit tall for the boat's length and width at the moment, but I could be wrong. Can't wait to see the designs for teh front an back of the waka.

ihamid
09-16-2005, 12:56 AM
hi Gerard just dropped in to say the whale looks beautiful! and waka looks good! will be watching out for more great updates!
cheers!

arLutiK
09-16-2005, 04:10 AM
Lemog: Thanx for the compliments, coming from you it's an honor, had lots of fun doing the detail part, and there's more to come on the tail and the head of the boat even if I'm only planning to show part of it, but I still need to decide if I'll do the front or back.

mmoir: I don't really understand what your saying my friend, sorry, but anyway there's more details coming.

ace4016: You know what my friend, I was telling myself the same thing a few minutes before I read your post, I'm gonna stretch it a bit, now that I think of it I think I need to take a desision on the front or back of the boat (and I don't know why but my inside self is telling me to do the back of the boat

yunisirees: thanx my friend hope to see you back.

Lemog
09-16-2005, 06:09 AM
and there's more to come on the tail and the head of the boat
I'm very curious to discover these details...

arLutiK
09-16-2005, 06:29 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126848579_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126848579_large.jpg)

Well I reworked the boat and this is much, much, much better.

mmoir
09-16-2005, 01:50 PM
Hi Gerard,

I agree the boat is looking alot better now. The image I attached shows what I meant by my previous post although I think your boat looks excellent now.

Gerard, I deleted the link to my image now that you saw what I meant.

gu
09-16-2005, 02:28 PM
good work!good concept, It will be fantastic!keep it up

Gus

arLutiK
09-16-2005, 08:45 PM
mmoir: Now I see what you meen, but I'm gonna leave the way it is cause Maori design are often more charged then the one I did, they sculpt the boat from one tree.

Gus_clifton: thanx mate

DaddyMack
09-16-2005, 09:16 PM
Wow ar LutiK.. This is the first time I read the word Maori in your piece... :cry: :cry: I double my previous expression! Now it all make sense... I feel that if you inject this piece with some of the authenticity and depth held by ancient Maori culture, you'll end up with a truly stunning illustration... Possibly you could have rolling clouds and mountains way off in the backround... I'm loving this piece more and more every time:thumbsup::thumbsup: Good luck Gerard

mmoir
09-16-2005, 09:33 PM
Hey Gerard ,
I think your boat looks perfect the way it is , I just thought I would throw out a suggestion. Look forward to any more updates

arLutiK
09-17-2005, 01:20 AM
mmoir: I'm always glad to have your opinion my friend.

DaddyMack: thanx mate, I'm planning on having clouds in the background just don't know how the hell I'm gonna do them. I normally use a HDRI, but in this case I think I'll have to make them.

Lemog
09-17-2005, 09:04 AM
Yes, like that, that give us a better scale of it... run mate :bounce:

arLutiK
09-17-2005, 09:08 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126944481_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1126944481_large.jpg)

This is just a start, I'm pretty much improvvising here until I get what I want, under the whale will be a statue (very basic and naive) of a man sitting, tails of waka are normally huge, I'm far from done on the details just need a bit more inspiration so I'll sleep on it.

arLutiK
09-19-2005, 06:26 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127107603_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127107603_large.jpg)

Little update before I do the statue.

Lots of cool entries out there, good luck to all

arLutiK
09-20-2005, 05:38 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127234301_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127234301_large.jpg)

This should do for now, I'll rework the tail once it's place it the compo, I'll a better idea of what i need to rework.

Gunilla
09-20-2005, 06:43 PM
This is such beautiful detailing - aaah, I can almost feel the sea breeze. Like this one a lot :thumbsup:

antone-m
09-21-2005, 12:05 PM
cool details G`rar :thumbsup:

Lemog
09-21-2005, 12:09 PM
So beautiful Gerard :thumbsup: what do you have as ref ? photos ? drawings ? I just ask you that because I never see boat like that... and I curious to discover more about it :)

arLutiK
09-21-2005, 05:43 PM
Gunilla: Thanx alote

the best: thanx to you to

Lemog: I use the few photos I could find on google, if you look for Waka you'll find some, but in the movie "Whale Rider" to, I tried to mix a bit of all to come up with mine.

Anton Valiev
09-21-2005, 08:41 PM
Amazing work, i think it will be very great work. Good luck!

KangarooMan
09-21-2005, 09:15 PM
Hey man, good to see you in the challenge! :D I really like what I have seen so far. As with the last challenge great job on the modeling, I am really enjoying all of the detail that you are putting into the waka! :applause:

Matt

Lemog
09-22-2005, 06:55 AM
Thanks for information Gérard... I find many very interesting photos about these polynesians boats... :thumbsup: Some are very beautiful... as masterpieces... :bounce:

arLutiK
09-26-2005, 09:18 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127722736_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127722736_large.jpg)

Haven't had much time to work on it since I was on something else, but been trying to figure out how I'm gonna place my objects, this is close yet it's still so far from what I have in head.

mmoir
09-26-2005, 01:41 PM
Hey Gerard ,

The blue whale looks very good, nice textures and the shape looks good. Are you going to have another boat in the distance , behind the whale maybe.

Gunilla
09-26-2005, 02:09 PM
Very nice update, Gerard! I think perhaps you should adjust the angle for the character to something closer to the concept - right now it almost looks like he's captured by the whales mouth. Great shader for the whale :thumbsup:

Lemog
09-26-2005, 02:23 PM
I prefer too something more close of one of your first concept sketch... with the whale jumping at right... with the boat more close and turned in the whale's perspective direction...

...a little bit like that (http://lemog.club.fr/wip/whale.jpg)

hhssuu
09-27-2005, 12:01 AM
hey dude, nice concept. Actually someone pointed to me that my idea was a little similar to mine, it's not the same though. I look forward to your WIP. cya:thumbsup:

arLutiK
09-27-2005, 01:28 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127780886_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127780886_large.jpg)

Ok another try, and I think I'm gonna have to retouch my waka again, it's to large.

I prefer this one so that way we'll have a better look at the Maori that will be pointing at the Maori on the whale.

Mike I haven't done textures yet, just worked on the water a bit but I need to rework it

My priority is to find how my composition will be.

pipiritruiqui
09-27-2005, 02:05 AM
muy buena idea :thumbsup:
but, the idea of the boat I do not understand much to i
it works single with the whale and the trainer, it is clearer to if. Sngle the whale and the person in the great jump. Good luck

arLutiK
09-27-2005, 02:18 AM
Luis, I'll explain the Maori sees the whales as gods and there's a legend that the first maori to have ridden a whale will reincarnate and come and save his people. On the boat will be more Maori. I might try with a camera from the top

Arc80
09-27-2005, 03:24 AM
Very nice in scale dude. I really like the size relationship. Just a small suggestion about the composition, maybe you can make the whole boat as a your foreground element instead of cutting it in that way or use a worms eye view of a person inside the boat. I don't know, just a suggestion. Love the design of the boat btw and good call on the red colour. A very nice contrast to the natural blues.

cheers bro

mmoir
09-27-2005, 03:42 AM
Hey Gerard,

I guess I don't know my blue whale textures, that means it will look even better when the textures are on it.:)






Mike I haven't done textures yet, just worked on the water a bit but I need to rework it

.

arLutiK
09-27-2005, 05:24 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127794957_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127794957_large.jpg)

I think I got it, this will be my camera, I left the Waka aside for a while will focus on the "Splash!", might bring back the Waka later but for now it is causing me more problem then anything else.

For those who were wondering why my last post were under Lighting well while doing my camera test I was playing around with my light and my water texture.

As for the water surface here's what I did I use a cylinder not a plane like most do, I just keep a cap with lots of segments then add a noise and a wave mofifier just small enough to disturrbe the surface a bit, in this case it barely shows, then here comes the most important part. The shader, I use a very dark green blue color, but very dark, a bit of refraction in case smething is in the water, lots of refraction, I'd say half a mirror reflects, and use a smoke as the bump (it's the bump map that does the tric!)

antone-m
09-27-2005, 08:25 AM
cool update :thumbsup: I like this camera

Lemog
09-27-2005, 09:18 AM
Very different but beautiful angle... great way to explore... just waiting the waka :thumbsup:

ihamid
09-27-2005, 09:19 AM
yeah love the angle man! very dynamic:bounce: ... great updates and cool stuff!
cheers!

Fleury3D
09-27-2005, 09:39 AM
I loved your concept!!:applause: Your deal will be choose the best cam angle!

Pooyag
09-27-2005, 04:29 PM
good job so far man...keep it up:thumbsup:

Gunilla
09-27-2005, 05:18 PM
Oh yeah! That angle is fantastic - stick with it :thumbsup:

arLutiK
09-27-2005, 07:31 PM
Well judging from your feedback guys, I think I'm definetly sticking with this angle

Now my dear friend Lemog, for the Waka will you be as disapointed as me if I never bring it back, cause I'm afraid it won't show much, I will need to simplify it and of course put it narrower, but if I can optimise it alote (cause the amount of detail in it is slowing down my GI alote) , but I might have a nice spot on it and it would give a good sense of the height of the whale, I will see later depending on how my water splash reacts in render time.

arLutiK
09-27-2005, 10:04 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127855068_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127855068_large.jpg)

Well I'm having the hardest time getting rid of the Waka, so I've decided to rework it here's how it will look once done.

I know it will involve problems but I really need to have it to give a better sense of height, the whale is 33 meters long and the waka 20 meters, with people in it it will give the effect I want.

So Lemog you must be as happy as me hehe.

GonzaloGolpe
09-27-2005, 10:29 PM
Hi Gerard,:) Well, I don´t know anything about 3D but your composition on the take 03 is awesome. The image´s beautiful and full of freedom, and, of course, spectacular, heheGood luck with the challenge. I´m very interested on how you build your project:thumbsup:


Zalo

arLutiK
09-27-2005, 10:59 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127858388_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127858388_large.jpg)

For thos whom are interested here's what I did.

On last contest I learn a few tricks from the winner (who's a judge on this challenge), he posted in his thread links to some explanations, here I've used the PHI spiral like I called it, I've been opsessed with PHI since Anthropus made me discover it (well Dan Brown helped to with Davinci code) I fallow the spiral to determine my action an positioning of object, where I have text will be my Waka since I have some space I can use where the spiral becomes smaller, and it will help the image to by adding a reference for the eye to know how tall the whale is.

Well hope it can help a few out there.

DaddyMack
09-27-2005, 11:08 PM
I've been opsessed with PHI since Anthropus made me discover it

Me too... I'm planning to use it in my compo as well...

BTW stunning perspective mate:thumbsup:

Lemog
09-28-2005, 07:00 AM
It's not a problem to don't see all the details, only them to suggest, but especially that they interact with the environment, the subject, the lights and especially with the comprehension of the concept and the action. Then go ahead like that, the way seems very good. :thumbsup:

arLutiK
09-28-2005, 08:36 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127892959_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127892959_large.jpg)

Wanted to see how much detail I lost, well I feel I did them for nothing but to bad I had fun doing them it's what counts, I won't use my bump map, here's a test final size dunno why my DOF didn't work, maybe because I did a region. The biped on the boat are the same as the one on the whale so it really gives a good idea of the size of the whale 33 meters, my boat is 20 meters.

I'm on the right track now I need to start my maori.

arLutiK
09-28-2005, 09:14 AM
Little note the bost change angle again, to try to show more of the side details

Lemog
09-28-2005, 10:05 AM
That give really a spectacular way... just a thought, if you cheated a little, and that the boat a little shorter, to have less this sticky impression... because that cut a little the picture reading, that cut the motion... and your famous PHI...

ali-rahimi-shahmirzadi
09-28-2005, 10:05 AM
Hi. wat a extream depth. i am afraid of high :scream: . realy cool . good luck man :thumbsup:

Gunilla
09-28-2005, 12:22 PM
Yes, I agree with Lemog here - perhaps making it a bit shorter and rotate it so it comes more horisontal angle would fit better in the spiral I think.
Still - I'm happy to see the boat back in, it's really nice and gives the right effect of the scale :thumbsup:

mmoir
09-28-2005, 01:54 PM
Wow,

Gerard, this is a much better view of the scene than before. Great update:thumbsup: . Glad you didn't loose the boat and I look forward to some more updates.

JHarford
09-28-2005, 03:55 PM
cool
i love it!!.. very novel idea

arLutiK
09-28-2005, 06:11 PM
Thanx all

Lemog, while you were writing this I was actually turning the boat, and it helps alote, for making less long I don't think so since I alredy shrinked it 5 meters, since it was plan to be 25 meters originally, they are very long boats.

(o)ne
09-28-2005, 06:22 PM
yes, it's breath-taken, good luck :thumbsup:

suk-grigorij
09-28-2005, 07:00 PM
Hey, I like your choise of perspective.

arLutiK
09-29-2005, 04:42 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127965319_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127965319_large.jpg)

Well I'm done with the Waka only have the 2 rudders to model but I'll wait until the passengers are done same for the paddles. The texturing wasn't too long since it's mostly wood. I finished the rails and bench so i can say done with the Waka now on to the Maori.

Thanx all for your comments, sometimes I find the time to answer you personally some times not all depends on my working moods, but thanx to all.

arLutiK
09-29-2005, 04:46 AM
Oh no forgot to lower my environment light, the lighting ain't good, well let me test it with all the image (I love when mistakes help finding a better solution)

arLutiK
09-29-2005, 06:08 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127970533_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1127970533_large.jpg)

The start, I'm gonna make him a bit beefy.

For the lighting, well in between what I had and my mistake gave something nice will show it later.

Lemog
09-29-2005, 06:51 AM
Bon courage pour les Maori's :thumbsup: il a déjà l'air un peu bronzé :scream:

ThierryS
09-29-2005, 01:32 PM
Salut Gérard, héhé this time we're on the same part of the challenge and with a watery subject too :thumbsup: :)
Cool work sofar, it's looking great, the perspective is so impressive.
Will be back from now on to check your progress.

All my best for your nextsteps!

arLutiK
09-29-2005, 10:16 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128028599_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128028599_large.jpg)

Ok little update, I know my legs are not large enough, i need to feed them to fit with the rest, otherwise as a base it's pretty good, will need to refine.

I wish I had better reference.

DaddyMack
09-30-2005, 06:12 AM
Hey ar LutiK.. Looking good my friend;)

From my experience Maoris are fairly top heavy people with some serious meat on their bones... Way more so than in your current image... It may not be of any importance tho...

Keep Rokkin:buttrock:

arLutiK
09-30-2005, 08:06 PM
Mack, I'm gonna have this one not as fat, csince it will be the one on the whale and he should be young, but I will fatten a few for the boat

arLutiK
10-01-2005, 12:49 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128124160_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128124160_large.jpg)

Update, done with the foot, should be enough detail, tonight I might attack the arms, to finish with the head, from this model I will optimize it and make a fatter Maori and a thinner one for the boat.

arLutiK
10-01-2005, 07:12 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128147177_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128147177_large.jpg)

Update: testing wetness, and going to finish the hands.

antone-m
10-01-2005, 03:09 PM
cool moari keep it up :thumbsup:

Pooyag
10-01-2005, 07:05 PM
is that wetness?:rolleyes:

ace4016
10-01-2005, 10:22 PM
Looking good. The crotch area looks a little wierd and the feet might need a bit of tweaking if they will show though. With the wetness, I would probably use a spec map since when you're out of water, the specularity is usually uneven throughout the skin. Procedural might work too. Just a suggestion. Keep it up:thumbsup: .

arLutiK
10-02-2005, 06:50 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128232206_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128232206_large.jpg)

Ok hands a pretty much done, I'm not pushing details until I see what will show once in the position I want, I need to keep this low in polygons, I don't want to run in the problems I had last time.

Otherwise wetness just testing stuff, nothing final but procedural on the specular thats a good idea, I love procedural.

arLutiK
10-03-2005, 01:12 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128298350_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128298350_large.jpg)

Started the head, should be done tonight or tomorrow

mmoir
10-03-2005, 01:20 AM
Hey Gerard,

You are doing a nice job on the character modeling:thumbsup: , somehow I pictured the Maori with smaller heads . Look forward to more modeling updates.

ihamid
10-03-2005, 01:54 AM
hi ar LutiK .. things are looking great here friend!
the moari modeling is coming ot nicely :thumbsup:! yess will definitly watch how u do that big splash ... will be coool !
cheers!

Lemog
10-03-2005, 06:25 AM
Just some details... this guy appear a little thin for a maori.
These thighs are too short and not muscular enough. The knees are too small (like some video games characters).
For the remainder, I wait to see, beautiful work Gérard :thumbsup: Courage pour la suite gars...

arLutiK
10-03-2005, 09:49 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128329358_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128329358_large.jpg)

Thanx for the tips everyone, chubied him a bit up and advance the head gonna go to bed and continue tomorrow

arLutiK
10-03-2005, 08:40 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128368416_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128368416_large.jpg)

Will start the ears wanted to post the latest update, he's gonna look cool with the maori make up.

Pooyag
10-03-2005, 10:50 PM
nice job,just a little flat in front....otherwise,cool...like the wrinkles:thumbsup:

arLutiK
10-04-2005, 08:19 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128410388_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128410388_large.jpg)

First this is full size I wanted to see what would show, I still need to model the hair and the accessories (necklace, traditional skirt), then need to texture him since he has tatoos and face painting.

Ok will continue with next image

arLutiK
10-04-2005, 08:22 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128410531_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128410531_large.jpg)

here's what it looks in the compo, well thanx all for the comments, I'm going to bed.

I still need to figure out why my DOF doesn't work with big image, might need to try another way.

Gunilla
10-04-2005, 08:37 AM
Splendid updates here! I think the comp now is close to perfect - well done!

makaron
10-04-2005, 08:57 AM
this is spectaular action. :) really nice comp

Lemog
10-04-2005, 09:02 AM
Very Spectacular...


in the 2 first pictures update... I think... for the body... it's really better... less thin parts... but arms... appear very short... and after that... I saw the 2 last pictures... with the Maori on the whale's nose... and here... so perfect... very good... no crit about proportion... very adaptive to this view, congratulations for him Gérard, and continue like that :thumbsup:

Versiden
10-04-2005, 10:29 AM
that's great, love the idea and the current composition

arLutiK
10-04-2005, 09:29 PM
Thanx Martin, Mona and Gunilla

And Lemog glad you like it cause i listen to all your advice to arrive to this, now the pain is the hair since he has them in a pony tail I can actually modelise it just hope it won't look to fake I guess mapping will do all.

arLutiK
10-05-2005, 09:44 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128501872_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128501872_large.jpg)

Started the texture of the head, this my first tatoo test, I haven't played with the skin yet.

First I devided all my parts hand,arm, hair etc. And now I'm texturing each part, at the same time I do a few more modeling tweaks.

geimers
10-05-2005, 10:28 AM
Great tatoos, i like it :)

Lemog
10-05-2005, 10:50 AM
Maybe too much... but simpathetic one for sure... very beautiful :thumbsup:

arLutiK
10-05-2005, 05:59 PM
Laurent actually no not to much, Maori now paint there faces like that for celebration, but they use to tatoo their face like that and some had even more then mine, mostly chiefs.

Gunilla
10-05-2005, 06:18 PM
Yay - looking great, Gerard! This one is becoming really strong - one of my favourites.

arLutiK
10-05-2005, 10:00 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128546040_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128546040_large.jpg)

Tweaked a bit and did the eyes, the refraction ain't perfect but at final size it doesn't show.

Mapping is long!!!

ihamid
10-05-2005, 10:15 PM
hei man! the character is coming out nicely .. the tattoo designs are very cool!
like the progress ur doing man!:thumbsup:
cheers!

arLutiK
10-06-2005, 06:16 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128575775_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128575775_large.jpg)

Ok a bit of darken spot, and a bump map he comes to life since his face won't be bigger then this I think this should do, I helped my bump and map with a photo.

oh no, forgot I need to have some mix hair skin next to where the hair will be, need to find some reference.

Lemog
10-06-2005, 06:32 AM
In any case... the effect is here... and i's appear very good... juts continue like that... these details give to your project lot of originality... :thumbsup:

arLutiK
10-06-2005, 07:10 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128579031_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1128579031_large.jpg)

I'm hesitating between contestant number one and contestant number two, on wich I arrive trying a skin shader I have.

MacAndre
10-06-2005, 07:11 AM
the textured version of your head is looking mutch better then the untextured. you have given him so mutch more character. good work and keep it up... :thumbsup:

DaddyMack
10-06-2005, 08:49 PM
Wow Gerard... I'm kind of stunned at the effect you are achieving... congrats... May I suggest adding some subtle blue shade to the tattoo (as this is what happens to most black tattoos over a short time) and make it a little less 'perfect' saturation wise... I think the darker skin looks better but it's a little too specular for my liking, I'd say lightening it a shade or two would enhance the tattoos and overall effect also.. I'm becoming more and more intrigued by this piece every step mate:curious: Keep it coming mate:thumbsup:

Lemog
10-07-2005, 06:37 AM
The first one appear too much yellow and the second one too glossy... a mix between the both will certainly better... I must agree with daddyMack about old tattos... they seem washed... and the black appear at certain parts, and with certain angle with light as blue or with blue reflect... :)

gpepper
10-07-2005, 07:57 AM
Looks cool !
I prefer the first one... But the man is droppin' out of the water, so he should be wet...

antone-m
10-09-2005, 05:38 AM
cool I like the 2nd one :thumbsup:

adel3d
10-12-2005, 08:12 PM
Great pal!:thumbsup:

arLutiK
10-13-2005, 06:51 AM
Thanx guys, sorry haven't updated in a while, since I was on something else but now that it's out of the way, I can go back to mapping the Maori, so stay tune for an update in the next few days.

Lemog
10-13-2005, 07:18 AM
Good news for us... soon update... very cool Gérard :thumbsup:

ThierryS
10-13-2005, 09:21 AM
Great loking texture on that Maori face Gérard! Looking forward to see everithing integrated in the final picture.:beer: :thumbsup:

claudiojordao
10-13-2005, 12:00 PM
Wow Gerard, your progress is amazing... the tattoos and all just looks so great.

Very good job mate.

arLutiK
10-16-2005, 10:10 AM
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Well an update, the tatoo on the face need to be thiner, and I might add up tatoos elsewhere, the ankle map need to be retouch and still need to make it look wet, so still lots of work. Now that I have a bit more time I'll be able to work on it but I still have a cold.

arLutiK
10-18-2005, 09:32 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1129624357_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1129624357_large.jpg)

wow mapping is long even with unwrap, ok all I need to do for mapping is figure out my wetness. I just finished the tatua (belt) and the piu-piu (skirt), all I need to model and I'll be done with him is the necklace a big sperm whale tooth. Then I can attack the ones on the boat will need to lower and vary my mapping, and maybe do a few items for different guys. Well in other words still lots of work.

ihamid
10-18-2005, 10:31 AM
hi ar LutiK

update atlast! and a nice one! nice cool tattoos on the body there mate!
cheers!

Gunilla
10-18-2005, 01:28 PM
Ahh - splendid update!

The skin and tatoo is looking great and his skirt is a real fine addition :thumbsup:

mmoir
10-18-2005, 01:32 PM
Hey Gerard,

This is looking great :thumbsup: :thumbsup: , I think his eyes would look better if he were looking up more instead of straight ahead.(looking towards the top left corner of your image.) Great job on this.

Lemog
10-18-2005, 01:53 PM
Ahahaha... the piu-piu... very good gerard :thumbsup: that comes fantastic... just the head appear strangely dark... good work mate :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

antone-m
10-18-2005, 05:23 PM
cool updates :thumbsup:

arLutiK
10-18-2005, 08:04 PM
Toni, thanx

Laurent, merci, yeah I know I tried narrowing them a bit but I guess I'll need to do it more.

Mike, great idea I will try that

Gunilla, thank you

Hamid, thanx, I know took a while, I had a glu3d tutorial to do and my web site to work on and I'm sick as a dog, but that never stoped me from working.

arLutiK
10-28-2005, 06:42 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1130521336_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/8124/8124_1130521336_large.jpg)

Ok little update, started placing some Maoris in the waka, I know I'm not updating as often as at the beginning, but
I have lots of work right now but every time I have a little momment I try to work on this, still 37 days so I think I can make it

antone-m
10-29-2005, 04:20 PM
cool updates :thumbsup:

Zapan
10-29-2005, 07:38 PM
Hey Gerard :)

Awesome job so far , really nice style. I love that concept.
Keep up the great work man :thumbsup: :bounce:

Gunilla
10-29-2005, 09:25 PM
Ah - glad to see your update!
The effect of the shadow in the water is really cool - adds a lot to the understanding of the shapes. Clever thinking :thumbsup:

mmoir
10-30-2005, 01:35 AM
Hey Gerard,

The Maori in the boat and the boat itself looks great, :thumbsup: . This is going to be a cool image.

Lemog
10-31-2005, 05:25 AM
Sure you can finish it... the principal is already finish, not ? just need to set the scene... that could be possible... courage mate :thumbsup:

arLutiK
11-21-2005, 04:12 AM
Well won't be able to finish this one, not that I don't want to but it's pooring work and I have to do it, so see you all next time.

Lemog
11-21-2005, 04:43 AM
Oh damned... very sad news Gerard... I understand... work always must be the most important, but I think you can anyway finish your project... it's already very advanced... it remain too so much work I think... and you can certainly find some spare time the week end, not ?

Well... decision is yours mate... then, I wish you the best for your work, while hoping that you can finish this picture anyway...

Seeya Gerard :wavey:

arLutiK
11-21-2005, 06:48 PM
I will finish it when I have a bit more spare time, and will put it up on my site (lower resolution will help to)

Gunilla
11-21-2005, 07:25 PM
Sad news, Gerard .,.. I was really looking forward to see this finished. Make sure you post it here in the gallery when you're done - and good luck with your other stuff :thumbsup:

mmoir
11-21-2005, 10:47 PM
Gerard,

Thats a bummer, I was looking forward to the final.... :sad:

arLutiK
11-27-2005, 04:59 AM
thanx guys

But with all the work I'm getting, I'm not complaining, x-mas will be nice this year.

But I'll be back for next one.

I will at one point finish this but in lower rez and I'll post it on my site.

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