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ChrisThatGuy
09-05-2005, 10:41 PM
Christopher Catizzone is entered in the "Spectacular Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/spectacular/view_entries.php?challenger=8074)

Latest Update: Final Image: Bait
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1133318708_medium.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=2865971#post2865971)

NOOB!
09-05-2005, 10:42 PM
hey that guy whos name is chris.

good luck!!

ace4016
09-05-2005, 11:33 PM
Good luck:thumbsup:

alexichabane
09-07-2005, 09:39 PM
Hey hey. Good luck in the challange, who needs fresh air anyway. Not me, the gentle hum of my commputer's fan is all i need. Might i suggest, say, something with a fish in it, . . that would be really spectacular. (i've seen some of your fish concept sketches already, and it's looking preaty sweet). Look forward to seeing a finalized drawing. Alexi

ChrisThatGuy
09-09-2005, 03:25 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1126232756_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1126232756_large.jpg)

Oooooh, posts already. Good to see some familiar names from last time.

The reason Alexi has seen my sketches already is that he was sitting across from me when I did some of them. Please excuse the sketchyness; all but one were done in noisy rooms or moving vehicles. Can you guess which one?

For some reason, when I heard "Spectacular", my first thought was Giant Mutant Angler Fish!... I guess the idea of one of those guys leaping out at you seems particularly heart-stopping to me. Not sure why. Hopefully I'll be able to flesh it out into something.

Currently favouring composition 1c, but I'm open to suggestions.

OrO
09-09-2005, 06:26 AM
i like numer 3 :thumbsup: and very nice concept!! mutany angel fish..cool :cry:

ace4016
09-09-2005, 08:59 AM
I like the scale and splash of 3, the dynamic feel of the angler fish in 1b, and the unsuspecting human in 1c (and because he/she is turned to us, I can see him/her with that "Oh Sh*t" expression). Just my opinion on it. Maybe for the enviroment it could be in one of those limstone underwater caves that has a air pocket (where the scene takes place). Just some small suggestions. Good luck on settling down on something.

ChrisThatGuy
09-09-2005, 02:11 PM
.... Just my opinion on it. ...

Opinions are appreciated. I'm always happy to hear them.

Yeah, I may cut and paste elements from the various thumbnails, and I'm still trying out some sketches, so that could be possible.

alexichabane
09-09-2005, 02:21 PM
I think number 2 is the one, it has the most action-paked composition. The only thing I would suggest is to tilt the girl's head back a bit so we can see her expression more. The fish could be bigger (and therefore more sectacular), but it would be less plausable that she would survive the encounter. 1a is also really cool. Keep up the good work. Alexi.

NOOB!
09-09-2005, 06:13 PM
i like 1c the most!

ChrisThatGuy
09-10-2005, 08:16 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1126379799_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1126379799_large.jpg)

Here's the linework for the fish. I'm still working out the composition, but since the fish is essentially the same no matter where it is on the page, I did it first.

NOOB!
09-10-2005, 08:17 PM
thats hot man,great work!

Ducklator
09-10-2005, 08:18 PM
nice sketchs.. I can't wait to see more..:thumbsup:

lokki
09-10-2005, 09:33 PM
I'm diggin' #3 above. The hero's pose is a little relaxed, imho... I think I'd expect her to be more like "Not again..." ;)

Excellent ideas there!

Vahn
09-10-2005, 09:47 PM
wow 1c is nice ... 1c! 1c! :D :D

MechaHateChimp
09-11-2005, 11:37 PM
Hi Chris,

Dude! I love angler fish! Great subject for an illustration and good start on your sketches. Im leaning toward sketch #3. I was wondering what type of backgruond youll be using but being that you are still in the early stages of sketching, I will wait. Thank you btw for your comment on my own sketch. Good luck! - J

ChrisThatGuy
09-13-2005, 03:48 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1126579706_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1126579706_large.jpg)

Now here are my attempts at the ill-fated fish hunter. I'm trying to decide on a pose; I'm thinking of using image 5 but I'm open to suggestions, even if I need to redo it completely. Some of the proportions are going to have to be resized a little, and more detail would be added later.

Comments welcome.

Korline
09-13-2005, 06:09 AM
hey man, very cool idea, that' a mean looking fish, and I think #5 but harpoon like on 4, I mean a little lower, good luck :applause:

agent bone
09-13-2005, 01:35 PM
I like the fish that you chose very dynamic. I also like number 5, great movement of the character and expression. Looking forward to seeing this one come along.

RonP
09-13-2005, 02:38 PM
I like #3. Good composition, depht and contrast.

Keep it up!

Zephyri
09-13-2005, 03:05 PM
I love thumbnail 3! It has a classic Jaws feeling to it, with all those converging lines, like a camera suddenly zoomed in on the scene... maybe with a different pose for the female, but the composition is perfect on that!

Both the girl's facial expressions are good, but their leg positions could do with a little tweaking, as they both look unnatural, or strained. I can think why her legs would be bent like that unless she is stood on uneven ground. Perhaps if you tried the same looking back pose but with straighter legs.

(After having a quick search on a few image sites, this is the best I could come up with: Click here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/cgtalk%20images/girlsswingingabout.jpg) - sort o explains what I'm getting at)

But great interpretation of the challenge! Best of luck with it.

slowgolde
09-15-2005, 05:35 PM
In terms of a pose I think five is stronger but perhaps her legs are in a strange position. Maybe get up and do some acting of how you would react to something terrifying behind you?! Perhaps she should be twisting more, trying to swing her harpoon to a position where she could fire it.

Good luck with it!

Dave

xric7
09-15-2005, 08:12 PM
nice concept.great sketch.I love #3 too.look cool composition.cheers.:thumbsup:

p4b10
09-17-2005, 10:50 AM
nice sketches, i like 5 more than 4.

pablo

2xbo
09-18-2005, 07:13 PM
Hi ChrisThatGuy. 4 the composition i will take the #2 and for that girl #5.
Greta idea. Keep it up.
I will follow your work.

Good luck.
xbo :scream:

suk-grigorij
09-20-2005, 05:04 PM
I'd say 1a is the best idea.

Good luck.

ChrisThatGuy
09-21-2005, 03:43 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1127270586_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1127270586_large.jpg)

Here's the composition that I'm going to use (barring my mercurial indecision), minues a few splashes, etc. that will be added in as I paint.

Comments welcome.

ChrisThatGuy
09-21-2005, 04:23 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1127273027_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1127273027_large.jpg)

Okay, a variation on my other composition. Let's call the first one "A" and the second one "B", since I forgot to number them (it's late and I haven't slept much recently, give me a break...)

So what do you think? Which one?

PetriJ
09-21-2005, 07:54 AM
I think that no.3 is the best of them. It just has the best feeling, and composition.

2xbo
09-21-2005, 08:31 PM
Hi ChrisThatGuy. i have a sugestion. Normaly Action its coming horizontal if you make you picture verticaly looks like paralysed and don't show that dynamic that you want to print.

I don't know, just only some idea.

xbo :scream:

ChrisThatGuy
09-23-2005, 01:11 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1127434272_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1127434272_large.jpg)

Alright, I've revised the composition a little, using a bit from each privious version. Comments welcome.

ChrisThatGuy
09-26-2005, 05:57 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1127710619_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1127710619_large.jpg)

Here I'm starting to rough in the values (ie: brightness, no colours yet). I went with composition C. I'm hoping to speed up my progress on this; every time I tell myself I'm going to sit down and work on this and then I don't, I hate myself for it the next day. I need a better work ethic.

t3logy
09-26-2005, 06:39 AM
Your work is inspirational. Love the way you pull it together. Your sketches are superb.

La'Dene Bean

rawgon
09-26-2005, 02:24 PM
Oh, what an awesome idea & scary at the same!, good luck.

ChrisThatGuy
09-27-2005, 02:36 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1127784973_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1127784973_large.jpg)

Yay! Two days in a row that I'm actually able to work on this thing!

I'm continuing with the values. I'll finish an overall grayscale image before I start adding colour.

Maybe if I post every time I work, it will motivate me to work more, just so I have something to show.

alexichabane
09-27-2005, 07:35 PM
Great start on your painting. I think the copposition is strong, and I like the pose of the female character. I could see adding a rim light around the girl, to separate her more from the background )but I imagine you where going to do that anyway). Keep up the good work, can't wait to see it in colour. Alexi

p.s. Are you going to post any colour thumbnails?

ChrisThatGuy
09-27-2005, 08:21 PM
...p.s. Are you going to post any colour thumbnails?
Yep, when I get to the colouring stage, I'll probably try a few out. Just values for now.

agent bone
09-27-2005, 11:32 PM
Great composition! Keep pushing those values. Can't wait to see some color on this.

hhssuu
09-27-2005, 11:50 PM
Woo nice concept man, i bet it'll look way cooler in colour, keep it coming~

Korline
09-30-2005, 06:11 AM
hey where you've been hiding :wip:
it's cool but it needs a little more depth, and I think you could make the fish look more mean maybe like a mutant, just the thought, but the composition looks very solid and dynamic, check back later, cheers man :thumbsup:

ChrisThatGuy
10-04-2005, 03:33 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1128393181_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1128393181_large.jpg)

Okay, so now I'm working in some more depth and defining the edges of various elements. I did the old horizontal flip trick, so that I'm looking at the composition with fresh eyes, so to speak. It always weirds me out to do that, but it usually works.

ChrisThatGuy
10-12-2005, 04:23 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1129087418_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1129087418_large.jpg)

More value work, flipped back to the original orientation, and with the borders extended out a little, which I thikg looks better. What do you think?

I also finally have a working title for the piece: "Bait".

evanfotis
10-12-2005, 05:54 PM
Nice comp!
I like the atmosphere in your grayscale wash.
Unlike the outline piece, some definition is still lacking in the last one.
I feel the fish needs something in the mouth area. There isn't as much intesity and "terrifying factor" there, maybe tweak the eye too.
Also imho the girl might need to move a bit to the right so she can better see the fish, and compositionally not have both figures overlaping.

ChrisThatGuy
10-12-2005, 06:01 PM
I feel the fish needs something in the mouth area. There isn't as much intesity and "terrifying factor" there, ...
Right, yes, because I keep forgetting to put the teeth back in. Ooops... :D

W-I-L
10-12-2005, 06:32 PM
I wonder where that fish did go . . . a fish, a fish am fishy OOOoooo . . .:p

nice work so far

danielh68
10-13-2005, 12:55 AM
This is really cool. I like the concept, lighting and the composition. Also, I like where the girl is stationed, the overlap is perfect.

My only concern is the credibility of the scene. The heroine in 10-12 inches of water and, yet, this massive leviathan was submerged just a few feet away in approximately the same depth of water. Perhaps, I'm the only one who sees this or cares. If that be the case, just ignore my insight.

Nonetheless, great work:thumbsup:

MoonFever
10-16-2005, 11:09 PM
Sushi? hehe! =) I like it!

Maybe put some glow on the pearl..

wildcory1
10-16-2005, 11:43 PM
This is looking good. I like the figure in the forground. I only thing I can say is maybe work on making that fish look more vicious. I also like your use of light

Steve-h
10-17-2005, 03:21 AM
This is a nice idea, good concept work.

renton
10-17-2005, 03:27 AM
looking good, great compositon.
good luck!

ChrisThatGuy
10-22-2005, 04:05 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1129950332_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1129950332_large.jpg)

Yay! The fish has teeth at last!

I'm continuing with the greyscale values; I'll do most of the detail this way. And I'm still flipping back and forth so that I don't unconsciously favor one side, and so my brushstrokes don't all line up.

Comments always welcome.

walrus
10-22-2005, 02:06 PM
Hey, Chris, that's looking really greay. The lighting is wonderful: That backlight and splashing and the dark outfit really make the main character pop. Nice layout, too.

I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out how a fish that big fits into water that's only mid-shin deep for the woman... Hmm, maybe it's a traditional fantasy piece in the sense that she's really wearing 7-inch spiked heels, we just can't see them under the water! :)

One suggestion on the fish: You sounded very happy to have the teeth in, but why stop there? What if you added another whole row of teeth behind the first? Just an idea...

Anyhow, looks like you'll be ready to add color soon. Can't wait to see!

-mike

ori@r.a.m
10-22-2005, 02:32 PM
looks great, i love the angle and how you captured the moment.
looking forward to see it.

ChrisThatGuy
10-22-2005, 03:54 PM
...One suggestion on the fish: You sounded very happy to have the teeth in, but why stop there? What if you added another whole row of teeth behind the first? Just an idea...

Hmmm... Shark-like teeth? Maybe.

SquishMe
10-23-2005, 03:11 PM
Wow, that's a great picture. Nice lighting, great action. Would be perfect as a book cover.
Like it a lot.

LexLe
10-24-2005, 09:20 AM
This is a nice idea, good concept work.
Good luck! :)

ChrisThatGuy
10-31-2005, 03:28 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1130729301_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1130729301_large.jpg)

Okay, finally on to the colourring stage. I'm painting soft colours onto a layer under the grayscale image, set to "Hard Light" in Photoshop. This keeps the brightness the same, changing only the saturation and hue. When I'm done this step, I'll go back in and paint some other colours on top to clean up the image.

Comments always welcome.

oldasold
10-31-2005, 03:45 AM
I love the light catching the water drops!The image is really strong, and i love the colors. As you go back and paint the final colors, be sure to push you value scale to black some more. Right now the shadows seem to be hanging out in the middle(grey) area, and some of the forms flatten out as a result. I suggest pushing it to a darkest spot first, perhaps the very back of the throat of the fish, darkening it until it is black. You can then use it as a reference for the other shadows in the piece. Good work, keep it up

adel3d
10-31-2005, 10:47 AM
You came up with a really nice thing!
Keep up the good work pal!

Arctis
10-31-2005, 12:13 PM
cool ambience : I like the fuzzy light a lot.
The girl need to be more contrasted, I think, just to add depth, and detach her from the monster behind.

keep it up !

ChrisThatGuy
11-02-2005, 02:36 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1130898977_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1130898977_large.jpg)

Okay, I took the advice you guys gave me and upped the contrast selectively. What do you think? Does it help?

Also, I've flattened the image and am now going to begin the stage when I paint on top of the existing image, as opposed to under it.

Comments always welcome.

oldasold
11-02-2005, 08:25 AM
Helped out a lot! Look'n good! Keep it up

authentic
11-02-2005, 09:39 AM
Very classsic scene but so efficient. The poses are great and the fish is impressive. Nice use of ltghting. Congratulations.

alexichabane
11-02-2005, 02:13 PM
Hey, nice progress on your painting, I really like the cool palatte and the desaturated look. It really suits the spooky swamp setting. The character in the forgound is looking good, she's got nice detailing and the rim lighting is cool. I know it's a work in progress, but I'd suggest making the fish look a bit more slippey and slimy (it looks like a lambert right now, if you'll excuse the 3d terminology) and maybe the background could be mystier (if thats a word?). But great work on everything else so far! Alexi

Aritz
11-02-2005, 02:39 PM
love the lighting and all work in general but girlīs pelvis pose is abit strange.

Falcorr
11-02-2005, 03:52 PM
Everything looks nice and soft. Maybe you should try to make them look more wet? Some hilites here and there? Or would it destroy the soft look your going for?

Good luck! :wavey:

walrus
11-02-2005, 04:02 PM
it looks like a lambert right now

lol! I've never heard it put that way before, but alexichabane is totally right. Wetten it up some! :)

But it's looking really great. Lovely colors, and I agree that upping the contrast helped a bunch too.

anyhow, looking just great (not "greay" as I wrote in the last post, which could have been taken as "grey" or "great," and both were valid. This time i just mean "great.")

-mike

Zeitwolf
11-03-2005, 05:30 PM
Where does the light come from?

Her left (on pic right) upper leg looks bit odd... Ô_o

ChrisThatGuy
11-15-2005, 02:09 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1132063779_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1132063779_large.jpg)

Okay, into the home stretch now. All I have left to do is the final detail work. Unfourtunately there's quite a bit of it I want to do.

Taking Alexi's suggestion, I've been making it less "Lambert" and more "Blinn", so to speak. I intend to do more reflection and sparkles from the water droplets, but here's what I have so far.

alexichabane
11-15-2005, 02:38 PM
Great progress on your painting Chris, everything is really comming together now. The ripples in the water look cool, and I like the blue fill light along the sides of the characters. Also, nice job on the wet surfaces, they look slippery and give the figures a good sense of depth. Are you gouing to tighten up the splashes more, or leave then losse and painterly? Either way would work, I think. Alexi

Ste7en
11-15-2005, 05:33 PM
Great piece, it's really come together. The expression is priceless, and the detail is wonderful. My only suggestion, since I havent been around much to make them, is perhaps making the bounding box more naturally integrated with the whole image, as if its not framed but naturally lit in a similar fashion. Its only a suggestion though, as it may be both hard, and unneccesary...and I dont even know if youre keeping the frame in the final image. Great work overall.

ChrisThatGuy
11-15-2005, 06:01 PM
...My only suggestion, since I havent been around much to make them, is perhaps making the bounding box more naturally integrated with the whole image...and I dont even know if youre keeping the frame in the final image...

Great idea, but no I'm not keeping it. I'm an illustrator, so i'm used to painting in an image-bleed that will get cropped out in the final. The box just shows where I'm thinking of cropping it.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions though. Comments are always welcome.

NinjaA55N
11-25-2005, 02:22 PM
I didnt put any comment yet in this theme, which is a real shame for me, coz the image itself is really a great one and very promissing. Love the idea and how u executed it man. This frightened face of a girl in the first plan and than that big monstrum fish back there... great dynamics! and I love the whole scene where the hunter became hunted hehe.. good work!

ChrisThatGuy
11-28-2005, 03:53 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1133150018_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1133150018_large.jpg)

Okay, I might be done but I haven't decided yet. One of the reasons I'm not sure is because my desktop computer had a catastrophic registry corruption and I have to reinstall it this week. So I'm painting this on my laptop, and I'm unsure about how the colours are going to look on a CRT. I'll have to take a look tomorrow at work and see how it turned out.

I've done some tweaks to it since last post, including more droplets and reflected light, and some work on the ripples. I think I'll give it a day and then look at it with fresh eyes.

alexichabane
11-28-2005, 02:32 PM
Cool stuff, sir. I really like the effect of the light and the splashing water, and the surfaces and materials (on the fish and girl) are nicely done. I like the dark outline on the left side of the character, maybe you could a light version on the right side? This would make the image look more graphic and flat though, but I think that would be cool. My only other suggestion would be to make the background a bit less matt and more mysty or blurry. Maybe the trees (and hanging moss, especially) could be less visible and have a tiny bit of depth, if that makes any sense. Anyway, good stuff. Alexi.

zpapageo
11-28-2005, 03:03 PM
Hey, chris. This piece is coming out great. Very dynamic. I like the lighting.

Fahrija
11-28-2005, 09:57 PM
Beautiful work chris,:thumbsup:

the composition looks very convincing and the colors are fit very well.


Maybe I would concentrate refining the water a bit more.


regards
fahrija

ChrisThatGuy
11-30-2005, 02:45 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1133318708_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/10/8074/8074_1133318708_large.jpg)

Okay, that's it, I'm done. If I work any more on it, I think I'll overwork it. Overall, I'm happy with it. I'd probably be a bit happier with it if I didn't discover I have so many more time-consuming responsibilities than I originally though.

Anyways, enjoy. I'll see the rest of you guys at the closing date.

TheFirstAngel
11-30-2005, 02:55 AM
congrats on your gret finnish mate, love the piece, fantastic work mate! best of luck on the finals now :):buttrock: :beer:

sergioKomic
12-02-2005, 04:36 PM
Congrats!


I love it :arteest: (I have a minor gripe with her eyes... but after much examination)

Good luck!

Vahn
12-03-2005, 09:48 AM
congrats .. it turned out very good :D :thumbsup:

mime1
12-04-2005, 09:21 PM
great colors and values. Only thing that bothers me is the shape of her profile -looks little wired when eye nose and lips are lying down on one straight line. :thumbsup:

gedomenas
12-05-2005, 08:27 PM
cool:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:I like it

Steve-h
12-05-2005, 08:30 PM
Great picture, I like the water droplets and lighting.

Ste7en
12-05-2005, 08:42 PM
This piece really came out well. You made som terrific progress. The splashing water and glowing highlights are absolutely wonderful. Good luck.

MichaelCTY
12-05-2005, 10:38 PM
hey,sorry for late:buttrock: 1stly,congratz on finishing this work, and what do I think of this work?
I would say,It is really striaght ,and easily to get what you wanna show, by the strong atomosphere and colours with dynamic compostition,well done!! :)

Fish-KAart
12-07-2005, 01:51 AM
:thumbsup: fantastic work ! best final :applause:
Ay! Ay !Ayyyyy! Fish! :bounce:
Its fish-Fantastik! I lake it!:buttrock:

zpapageo
12-07-2005, 03:55 AM
Congratulations on finishing, Chris. You did a really great job.

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