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Yongkiat
09-05-2005, 10:14 AM
Yongkiat Karnchanapayap is entered in the "Spectacular Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/spectacular/view_entries.php?challenger=7858)

Latest Update: Texturing: Elephant Texturing Continues 002
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antone-m
09-05-2005, 10:26 AM
good luck Yongkiat

Yongkiat
09-05-2005, 10:30 AM
Thank you, the best. This is my first entry to CGTalk challenge, whew...It's quite an intimidating arena as I see so many great stuff posted here. I'll try my best :)

Yong

Yongkiat
09-05-2005, 06:17 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1125940640_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1125940640_large.jpg)

Since I knew about the topic of this challenge. I wanted to create an image which I have had since my childhood, a duel of elephants or elephant back fighting. The reason being I was born and raised in a small province in Thailand where elephants were abundant. Every year, we have provincial show, Elephant show. When I was around 5-6 years old, my parents took me to this event and I saw the imitated elephant back fighting, which was the way the kings of old fought. At that time I thought, and still think, it's one of the most spectacular scenes I've ever experience.

I'll start this challenge by going bunch of sketches and get the feel of the Elephant battle. This is going to be fun.

Yong

Yongkiat
09-05-2005, 06:21 PM
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Yongkiat
09-05-2005, 06:39 PM
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Yongkiat
09-05-2005, 06:50 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1125942622_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1125942622_large.jpg)

Although I've seen hundreds of Elephants my entire life. I'd be good to study its anatomy in full detail again prior to modelign it. I've made a note for myself to go to local zoo this weekend and get to know this creature a bit more.

This is a small sketch for now. I want the elephant to be a bit decorative as it's the ultimate ride for kings of old age (at least in thailand) I'll need to do some more design to it as well as I want to have some armour plate as well.

Guillaume.M
09-05-2005, 06:57 PM
Nice, i like elephant :)

JacquesPena
09-05-2005, 07:11 PM
I like your concept of the elephant battle. Especially the history behind it. Thats it probaly something spectacular to see. Considerably also the 2 elephants battling, which makes a good scene. Good luck on working the skethes out.

umbrellasky
09-05-2005, 07:36 PM
WOW! Beautiful work so far I'm looking forward to seeing more from you :) Good luck with your ideas! :D

AnimZiggy
09-05-2005, 10:19 PM
wow this must have been a spectacular sight...especially when you were just a small child..But what is more spectacular is your sketch! Nice one!

Yongkiat
09-06-2005, 06:00 AM
Thank you guys for encouragement. :) I'll be working more on this tonight. (Man, I wish I can take like a month off work and work on this alone)



In my hometown, Surin province, there are a lot of Elephants. Personally, I think elephants are the most majestic of all animals from the way they carry themselves (very calm yet very strong) to the level of intelligence they possess. When I was a kid we used to have elephants in my backyard (small ones with their mommy) at first I was going to do that as "spectacular" but I think it's very hard to create such image.



Tonight I'll concentrate more on the elephant and its decorative amour plate. Also, I'll write down bits and pieces of elephant stuff as I go on doing the challenge, and hopefully you guys will fall in love with elephants like I do as well.


Tonight I'll concentrate more on the elephant and its decorative armour plate. Also, I'll write down bits and pieces of elephant stuff as I go on doing the challenge, and hopefully you guys will fall in love with elephants like I do as well.

antone-m
09-06-2005, 07:27 AM
cool elephant

Yongkiat
09-07-2005, 06:32 AM
Did some more sketches last night but the net at home was down :( I'll post more later this evening.

Zapan
09-07-2005, 07:40 AM
great concept
I'm sure it could be very spectacular
Best luck and have lot of fun here.

JurajMolcak
09-07-2005, 01:56 PM
The memories from childhood are one of the best resources at all!
This one is very very interesting!

Oweron

Yongkiat
09-07-2005, 03:11 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126102283_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126102283_large.jpg)

Still on the same Elephant subject. I'm qorking kind of slow :( Slower than I expected. I wonder how everybody else's been managing their time.

Anyhow, the next thing is I'll try to get "my" elephants to look a bit fiercer. All the images I have sketched up til now have always been mellowed down elephants (no the angry or mad ones) Believe it or not, when Elephants get angry, they do look very menacing because of their shear size and power.

In my mind now thinking how shall I approach the armor for the elephant? In thailand (ancient time) the elephant would be wearing some sort of armor and also seating thing for its master(s). I'll continue on sketching and see what I might come up with. I'll also most likely to start modeling this coming weekend (If time permits that is) becasue I can see other people are working really fast. Whew.

ramana
09-07-2005, 03:44 PM
Very nice concept.

I really like your concept sketch.

All the best.http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon13.gif

arLutiK
09-07-2005, 04:11 PM
Very nice sketch of an elephant, can't wait to see it in 3d

umbrellasky
09-07-2005, 06:19 PM
wow! beautiful sketches. Don't worry, I'm working super slow lol, I have an idea just seem to be taking a while on developing it.

Really nice work keep it going! :D

Micro26
09-07-2005, 06:39 PM
This is really good, excellent work with sketches and study:thumbsup:

flugus
09-07-2005, 07:00 PM
also it is my first participation on CG Challenges,

Zbrush can make magic with that texture skin :thumbsup:

the sketches are nice!

Yongkiat
09-08-2005, 04:27 AM
Thanks ramana, ar LutiK, enialadam, Mr Micro26, and flugus for your comments. I want to thouroughly understand my subject first. So things are very slow..... I'm now thinking of a new camera angle. I think the one I hve posted didn't give out much of "spectacular" feel. Perhaps a twist in the perspective might give it a little push. What do you guys think?


Yong

varma
09-08-2005, 04:55 AM
It looks like you have very good control with the pen, I like your drawings!
This is gonna be a fun thread to follow and as you said you were gonna
use Zbrush, then I'll have an eye on this!

Best wishes!
:thumbsup:

GraphicDragon
09-08-2005, 05:01 AM
Great concept and amazing life study drawings. I think you have the "spectacular" part nailed and the backstory/history makes it even more powerful.

Don't worry about the fast progress of others, it's only been a few days and you already have a pretty clear idea of what your going for. This type of contest is more of a marathon than a sprint. It matters more that you keep working hard through the weeks to come.

As for the composition, I think you already have a dynamic scene in your original sketch. Just a little pushing of the poses and expressions of the elephants and riders will make it perfect.

I'll be watching your progress... Good Luck!

Nichod
09-08-2005, 06:07 AM
Fantastic sketches. Good luck! And don't be intimidated, you are very talented.

ChristianHammer
09-08-2005, 06:10 AM
I've always wanted to do a challenge and incorporate elephants, they are soo wonderful to model... love your concept, great sketches. I will be watching your entry with anticipATION.

AIR
09-08-2005, 08:54 AM
keep it up,,,i like your idea and story.keep it up pal.

Yongkiat
09-08-2005, 04:56 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126195002_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126195002_large.jpg)

Moving away from Elephant study a bit and now onto the head armor plate piece. As I stated earlier, I want the creature to look fierce and ready for heaver weight battle. This one I've used some Thai and Indian motif for its armor. The middle part would eventually be some type of bas-relief depicting 5 headed naga (serpent) I'll work more on this design as well.

I want the final desing to be both decorative and look dangerous at the same time.

To make the animal look even fiercer, I tried putting on some type of steel blade atop the armor (3 total). I think the armor would extend to the upper trunk only as it shall allow the animal to be able to move its trunk freely and not too clumsy.

For its tusks, I want them to be parts of their weapon by having metalic glove over it. These steel tusks would then be used as swords deashing at enemy when engaging in a melee. i'd probablydo more sketches tomorrow and this coming weekend, I got to start the modeling process.

ChristianHammer
09-08-2005, 04:58 PM
So far the whole thing is coming together nicely. The armor is looking really good... Would an Elephant Head armor have a cheek plate or some kind of prtection near the eye. Seems like a real vulnerable spot?

Yongkiat
09-08-2005, 05:19 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126196397_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126196397_large.jpg)

Now that you have mentioned it, HammaJamma, you are right. The first time i designed it I was thinking about the elephant's visibility while in the battle field. The red additional lines are there If I were going to put additional armor piece. But for sure this will help protecting its eyes. would it be too clumsy for the armor? Please let me know what you think about the additional red lines. thanks again, man.

ChristianHammer
09-08-2005, 05:23 PM
The changes ,red lines, definately still fit the style and look good. I would consider swooping the bottom edge down to protect the jaw line a little as well. This would give it the smooth flowing lines from the rest of the head piece.

Yongkiat
09-08-2005, 05:43 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126197781_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126197781_large.jpg)

You are right, HammaJamma, I think this can be quite a good addition to the aromor. I've put more decorative detail on it as well. I'm still judging whether I'll add the tassle to the armor piece or not. i'll do some more research over at Elephant museum over this weekend as well. (Royal Elephant Museum in Thailand.)

Thanks man for the idea. :) I just lo?e this board it's so full of nice people.

ChristianHammer
09-08-2005, 05:51 PM
Yep that's it... The tassles are a great addition... Not practical but definately add interest, and in a action shot they can portay the motion path, so they help give the illusion of said motion.

ShkYo
09-08-2005, 05:59 PM
Interesting idea ! I like elephant ornaments of your last concept sketch, it's very nice ! :thumbsup:
Good luck !

mybutterflyiris
09-08-2005, 08:49 PM
OoooOooo... nice concept... I like the addition of the tassels. And I would definately work on that composition more. Don't worry about going slow, in my opinion if you just work at your own pace and don't rush things, then you will turn out much better work in the end. At least this is what I have found through personal experience.

Nichod
09-08-2005, 10:03 PM
Make sure that it doesn't prevent proper trunk movement. I've seen elephants use their trunks while fighting as well. Otherwise I love the detail.

ChristianHammer
09-08-2005, 10:06 PM
The trunk looks like it will be fine... But maybe where you have the point coming down the nose it could change to chain mail or something more flexible?

Robert.C
09-09-2005, 01:51 AM
The elephant looks beautiful and mystical,very good concept:thumbsup:
Good luck Yongkiat !


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Yongkiat
09-09-2005, 04:03 AM
Thanks for additianal comments. Nichod, you are right...the creature has to be able to move rathe freely while being protected under the armor. I'll modify the armor a bit and may change that pointy part to soething more flexible, like cloth or chainmail as HammaJamma suggested. Again thanks guys for such good crits and allow me to improve my skill. ;)

cbernadet
09-09-2005, 03:20 PM
Wow! great scketching!!! Love it!! :thumbsup:

good luck for the challenge!!

flrco
09-09-2005, 03:29 PM
great work so far keep it up and good luck to you in the comp.

Adriano-Zanetti
09-09-2005, 10:10 PM
great concept, it could be a very powerful image indeed, just as this sequence in "Alexander" (the movie) when the horse and the elephant are face to face. Even better for you here, as you're bringing up intimate memories. I'm really looking forward to see the end result. great Sketches by the way, you're very good drawer.

pe@ce

Adriano

Jedt3D
09-11-2005, 04:03 PM
Khun Yong. It's a very bold picture if you can add some more troopers around. I'm so exciting about the fighting scene!
It's hard to make an image that was great laid out in Alexander and Lord of the Rings. Let's tell the world how much our fine detail of Thai arts is. You are the man!

Yongkiat
09-11-2005, 05:43 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126456999_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126456999_large.jpg)

This is the sketch I did after goign to see a live elephant at local zoo (Dusit Zoo in Bangkok) Too bad the day I went there was quite stormy and wost of all I forgot to bring my camera. :( Anyhow, I spent 2 hours looking at this amazing creature and took mental notes. Once I got home, I hurrily turned on my Mac and started sketchign away. and here's the result. It's nearly ready for modeling now.

Yongkiat
09-11-2005, 05:47 PM
Thank you again everyone for your great comments. Adriano_Zanetti, I didn't see Alexander yet, I'll check it out soon and perhaps it will give me more inspiration for the work.

True Jedt3D, I think to create a grande scene, I would eventually need to add some infantry and perhaps some dead soldiers as well. I'll see what I can do to my final composition.

Yongkiat
09-11-2005, 06:24 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126459481_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126459481_large.jpg)

This is my first take on the Elephant. As the elphant is goign to be of Asiatic Maximus specie. it's a bit different from its African cousin which has bigger body (leaner as well). The Asian elephants are a bit stout with quite a big head. This model's super low poly and I'll need to do a lot more adjustments with it. This base mesh is created from ZSpheres and will give me just enough structure to move on.

Yongkiat
09-11-2005, 06:28 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126459724_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126459724_large.jpg)

The ZBrush's ZSpheres allow me to quickly develop form (But I think I'll need to do a lot of clean up afterward) I'm still trying to learn aout ZSpheres I model this elephant. Somehow the ZSphere thing's still quite a bit of mystery for me. I have been reading up the ZB Practical guide but still, it's more of a trial and error for me. As you can see the base ZSphere model's composed of a bunch of ZSpheres. I'll sculpt the model mainly in this apps, and try to ustilize pose-to-pose feature as much as possible. However (mental note for myself) If I can't really clean up some of the geometry I might have to do so in Silo or something.

Guillaume.M
09-11-2005, 08:53 PM
Zsphere modeling are always impressive for me :), i wait the "sculted" version could be very intersting. :bounce:

ChristianHammer
09-12-2005, 12:26 AM
I fell in love with ZBrush already. I just got it on Wednesday, and built my first model with it yesturday. My moon Ray... I roughed out the Ray in Z-Spheres and then began sculpting from a really rough version. Man is it a cool, intuitive modeling application. I have Maya 6.5 and have been using one version of maya or another for awhile now... I'll most definately still render in mental Ray via Maya but for modeling I just cannot say enough great about ZBrush...

Elephant is a great Start... Keep up the good work.

varma
09-12-2005, 03:20 AM
Excellent Zsphere structure! This could mean a great start, many wrinkles and skin dents
to go!!! Good luck! :thumbsup:

Yongkiat
09-12-2005, 03:23 AM
varma, thank you for youcomplement. ZBrush is a very intuitive tool and let artists do the work and not worry too much about technicality. I'll try to do my best.

HammaJamma, I saw your MoonRay and it looks mightly awesome. ;)

alancamara
09-12-2005, 05:00 AM
Nice start . You will do all on Zbrush? I hope to see more. :thumbsup:

Yongkiat
09-12-2005, 05:14 AM
My intention is to stay in ZBrush as it's becoming my main tool in creating artworks and want to see my limitation with this piece of great software. In fact, I'm also planning to do the terrain deformation from this as well. Hopefully, it will come out all right and allow me to learn more. I just love this challenge as it gives me goal to move toward to. ;)

AI-FOUR
09-12-2005, 05:19 AM
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Good luck in Challenge

AI-FOUR
09-12-2005, 05:20 AM
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Good luck in Challenge

Ryan_M_Mccalla
09-12-2005, 05:27 AM
Love your initial sketch, very interested to see how your final image looks... you are definetely moving along quickly to.. I realy like how your pencil sketches are so clean and simple, something that i always try for yet always end up with a messy scribbled sketch... oh well..
Great model sheets.... Great Concept.. all is looking good.
question: how much does it cost for zbrush and did you find it hard to pick it up? (whats the learning curve like on it?)

Yongkiat
09-13-2005, 04:39 PM
Sawadee krun khun AI-FOUR ;) Hope you join in the fun as well.

Thanks, Ryan_M_Mccalla for your kind words, in fact ZBrush is not that hard to lean at all. But it truly need toime to learn. But you will find it very enjoyable to work with. I bought it since 1.55b (but didn't do much in that version because of the interface which was very...hard for me then) Then 2.0 cam along and I was so impressed with its show case artwork that I had to learn it. It was around $500 if I remember correctly.

ChristianHammer
09-13-2005, 04:41 PM
I just got Z-Brush, it took me all of about 3 hours to get fairly proficient with it... It is awesome.

Yongkiat
09-13-2005, 04:43 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126626181_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126626181_large.jpg)

Spent a bit more time today to rough out the form of the elephant in ZBrush. This is by no mean the final one. AS I jus spent a quick half an hour (but valuable one) to do the form sculpting. I utilized pose-to-pose feature in ZBrush to quikcly pose the creature. Still not quite satisfy with it but my daily half hour limit has been reched :(. Oh how I wish I have more time I can spend on this project.

For the next step I'll have to completely define the form and exact it to my liking then I'll do the details and everyhting.

ChristianHammer
09-13-2005, 04:45 PM
I would spend some time getting the feet done, it is so important to getting the image looking right. The head is starting to look really good. Need to do some smoothing in the abdomen. Really good progress so far!

Yongkiat
09-13-2005, 04:53 PM
HammaJamma, you are absolutely right. I'll have to get the final form ready before moving on. Somehting's very bad habit about me and ZBrush is that when I know I cna pose the ZSphere using Pose-2-Pose, I tend to work on it too much...but it's fun (^_^) Thanks for remindign me about the feet, man.

umbrellasky
09-13-2005, 05:46 PM
wow! This is looking great! Nice work, I look forward to seeing more :)

AnimZiggy
09-13-2005, 11:45 PM
wow, really nice modelling so far, *sigh* and you said you don't know z-spheres that well eh? The head is nicely done, can't wait to see the model finished! :scream:

Yongkiat
09-14-2005, 09:06 AM
enialadam: Thanks for your complement. I'll definately work more on the model before moving on to other things of the final scene.

anim_ziggy: Sometime, I do get odd results from ZSphere modeling, perhaps due to my lack of knowledge about the ZSphere. For me, ZSphere is still qutie a mysterious way of modeling. I'll need to learn more about it (^_^)

JurajMolcak
09-14-2005, 01:23 PM
Your last update looks very nice. That daily limit is not really big but I canīt see it on your work. Keep going!

ow

elnady
09-14-2005, 01:30 PM
Nice concept
good luck

AIR
09-14-2005, 05:34 PM
Im shure you know elephants anatomy better cos U see them everyday where you live.

Soo,I dont want to comment your model proportions until You say it is done..

Keep it up pal..:thumbsup:

xric7
09-14-2005, 05:39 PM
sawasdee krub.
very nice modeling.:bounce:
good luck na krub.

Yongkiat
09-14-2005, 06:24 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126718677_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126718677_large.jpg)

Another half an hour session continues on the total form of the Elephant.

Yongkiat
09-14-2005, 06:28 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126718911_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126718911_large.jpg)

This time around I spent time in building up the generic muscle and main landmarks. I think it's very important at this stage to have the form as close to how I'd like the final elephant will be.

Yongkiat
09-14-2005, 06:30 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126719012_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126719012_large.jpg)

In fact, after a few more sessions, I might do another form of elephant (a tad bit different) as there are 2 main elephants in the scene and I want the two to have some type of form variation. However, this time (today) I read up about characteristics of a good elephants (which I will try to summarize for you guys to read soon).

Yongkiat
09-14-2005, 06:36 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126719356_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126719356_large.jpg)

I know still a long way to go (especially the toe, the trunk, etc) but for now I just want to have fun with some ZSphere repose ;) Just for tonight's fun. A dancing Elephant pose.

Today I read a bit of knowledge about characteristics of a Good elephant (This is more of a history book) and I think it's quite cool, and I think some might find it cool and funny.

As some of you may know only Great kings deserve great elephants. How to determine about an elephant requires great knowledge and expertise. Only good elephants are fit to be a vehicle of Royal family.

I'll summarize this down to a few items (so you guys won't be bored with this ;))

1. Skin
The skin around soft tissue should be of Red Lotus, general skin must be in Brownish color or toward white.

2. Hair
Best: Hair around the Ears Frontal lope and Back will be examined. The base of the hair should be black in nature, toward the tip of the hair should be transparent

Hair with Honey color's considered ok, but not as good as the one mentioned above.

But hair that's totally black or no transparent at all is not good.

3. Ears
Ears must not be torn.


4. Tail
There must be hair covering the tail (no hair on tail's considered bad characteristic)

The length of the tail's also important, the best is around the angle of the hind legs.

The following are considered bad tail:

- Too short
- Too long (down to the ground)
- Not straight down

The color of the tail hair should be in honey (different of the body hair)

5. Eyes
-Outer eye must be white and clear
-Around the middle part, Light purple, Blue, or Gray
-Iris, Black should be big, but small iris would mean a loyal and tame elephant.

6. Upper Inner Mouth, or Mouth Ceiling
Should be the same color as its skin


7. Penis
One must examine when the elephant urinates, should be of pink or purple.

8. Vagina
Must be close at all time, must not be hanging

9. Nail
Good nails should be smooth (to test this, you must use sliced lime and rub over the nail, then leave it for 10 minutes) should be smooth with White or Pink in color.

10 Tusks
The skin around the tusks shall be white or pink in color, indented inward.

Only Elephants with these characteristics shall be worthy enough for a King to ride on. Interesting, huh? :) I'll pose more insight on Elephant stuff later as well. For now I should get back to my normal work...

umbrellasky
09-14-2005, 07:35 PM
An interesting read :thumbsup: This is looking great!! Nice work, this really made me smile when I came to check see the updates. I really love the progress off this, great work! I likehow you've done the skin textures too :)

monsitj
09-14-2005, 07:47 PM
awesome model and great research! good luck krub!

varma
09-14-2005, 09:47 PM
Hi Yong; It's coming along nicely! The anatomy seems to be very good and correct,
and the proportions are fitting as well. I'm sure this will become a great work!
Good luck!
:thumbsup:

Yongkiat
09-15-2005, 03:51 AM
monsitj: Thank you very much for your comments. It'd fun to do research about the subject I'm workign on. Almost like doign a University project :)

enialadam: I'm now readinga big book of elephatn (traditioanl Thai and learning quite a few interesting things :)

varma: I'll adjust a few thigns here and there before going full force in creating details. I might adjust anatomy a bit as I want a bigger Elephant / like a war beast.

CGArmy
09-15-2005, 04:04 AM
The structure is good, but the pose is very weak, spend some time to get a proper flow before you start detailing

Yongkiat
09-15-2005, 04:07 AM
H N Phan: You are absolutely right. The pose I posted was a fun little pose I had last night. The real pose would be similar to the concept sketch in the earlier posts. I'll concentrate on the posing thing after this initial stage ;) Thanks for reminding me that.

SnoK
09-15-2005, 07:03 AM
Hey yongkiat!!
Nice concept and modeling! I donīt know too much about elephants, but it looks good for me at first moment, its really nice. :thumbsup:
Good like for you man!!

(Will tom-yum-goong movie come to ocident???)

Yongkiat
09-15-2005, 10:29 AM
Thanks, SnoK, for your kind words.

This challenge is really fun to join. And it's a great opportunity to meet friends as well.

Yongkiat
09-15-2005, 04:29 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126798167_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126798167_large.jpg)

Not much of an update today, simply a few details added to the front left leg of the elephant. I'm still using ZSphere Pose2pose feature which means I won't get much more detail our of this (I'm at the highest level) but I will be able to add more skin detail after I convert this into an adaptive skin polymesh..but that's still a long way to go.

Yongkiat
09-15-2005, 06:15 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126804544_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1126804544_large.jpg)

This sketch's looking real messy as I still am trying to explore and investigate a good angle for the scene. I want audience to feel like he/she's right on the battlefield witnessing the great event. So in this doodle, I created more of a semi first person view looking up at the fight between 2 royal warriors.

Also I'm working out on the scene composition as well and allowing audience to see the war field. This may need to be revissited again later. Will deal with this later.

ChristianHammer
09-15-2005, 06:31 PM
The detail in the front leg looks real good!

For the composition I would consider having the camera angle look up towards the elephants a little more tha nit does now, and crop in a little more...

Great progress by the way!

varma
09-15-2005, 11:26 PM
This is getting better and better! Your drawing skills and soft curves really amazes
me! With that dynamic camera angle you have chosen, which looks great, i'm glad
the elephant is a not a male! :rolleyes:

ihamid
09-16-2005, 12:48 AM
thats one heavy weight concept! and cool zb brushing there!:thumbsup:if u can make those poses natural it will look great!
cheers man!:D

Yongkiat
09-16-2005, 03:32 AM
HammaJamma: Thank you for your suggestion on the composition, I'll take your idea and develop further.. It really needs a deep thinking in making an impressive camera shot.

varma: hahah, you are right, if the Elephant's male, it would be a bit too graphical to put in the challenge :)


yunisirees: Thank you for your kind words. I'll try my very best in this excercise. It's fun fun and fun even if it means the only 30 minutes of fun/ day for me.

mmoir
09-17-2005, 01:53 PM
Hi Yongkiat,

I looked through your thread, your sketches are very nicely done and I like the idea of your concept . Your model of the elephant is looking great too , nicely done with lots of details. Great job and look forward to more updates.

daWinky
09-17-2005, 04:57 PM
Seeing your last sketch now I have an idea what kind of picture you are going to do. Very impressive and great modeling progress on your elephant:thumbsup: .

-sabrina

tuck
09-17-2005, 05:38 PM
sawasdee krub :) I love your concept. I wiil follow your work.:thumbsup:

Yongkiat
09-18-2005, 04:59 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1127059141_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1127059141_large.jpg)

A small update, i'm still playing around with the Elephant detail and its texture. Still a trial and error before moving on to other things.

Yongkiat
09-19-2005, 03:57 AM
daWinky: Thanks man, I still trying to find the right angle for the image. Recently, I've been so busy but I'll try to keep the challenge at a steady pace.

tuck: Thank you man for comign by, I've seeny our great Kinaree work ;) It's awesome.

umbrellasky
09-19-2005, 04:31 PM
yeah! textures! woohoo! This looking great! :thumbsup:

alancamara
09-19-2005, 06:18 PM
Hi. Yongkiat, nice work so far. I like the textures and the elephant proportions are good. Great work, good luck. :thumbsup:

keko
09-20-2005, 02:34 AM
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nice work so far! your concept is just fantastic. Great job! keep at a good work krub, I'm sure it will look amazing when it's finished.:thumbsup:

Yongkiat
09-20-2005, 04:47 AM
Whew :) Been so busy these couple of days and expect to be so for a few days ahead.
Thank you enialadam, denverbz, and keko for your encouragements. Now I only wish a day would have 48 hours! So I can do the Challenge (^_^)/

velascodearmas
09-20-2005, 07:58 AM
That elephant is starting to look really good!

varma
09-20-2005, 02:45 PM
I see you have started detailing and it looks very good! Subtle and controlled!
Can't wait to see the rest of the body finished!
Hang in there!
:thumbsup:

Yongkiat
09-21-2005, 06:27 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1127323673_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1127323673_large.jpg)

This is a test texturing session I did only on the elephant head. I added in reddish eyes as I want the final elphant to look fierce and angry. Still adjusting the specular properties (I think it's a bit too shiny) Will update soon.

alancamara
09-21-2005, 10:43 PM
Hi yongkiat, I liked this up. A question. The texture can be little damp? I think that you could decrease the specular, no? it's my opinion. Nice work so far.

AIR
09-22-2005, 12:17 AM
I still need lots of learning,Zbrush is awsome tool man,enables us anything we can think of.
How do you manage to have this clean shape in z,,Is it resolution or what,,I have tons of non antialiased sharp edges.i need to learn how to create nice render inside Zbrush.
Anyway.I was expecting a bit angryer elephant,your kinda reminds me on a baby elephant,,
dont get me wrong.
But I would like to see some more of your trickery. :)

Seeya.

Yongkiat
09-22-2005, 03:14 AM
denverbz: Thank you for your positive critique. Yes, I think the same as you do, the texture's a bit too wet.. I'll probably reduce the specular level the next round I adjust the head texture.

varma, dvelasco: Thanks for your comments, I will continue on the model. Frankly finding time to do the challenge is the most challenging tasks for me, hee hee.

A I R: In my humble opinion, I think ZBrush is probably the most revolutionary 3D tool I've ever experienced and tried out. For the smooth edge, I generally create a larger image and by reducing in half--forgot what the button call..., and you will get a crisper and smoother edge. You are absolutely right again on the look of the elephant. I will probably need to adjust the head structure and its texture too to make it meaner and older.

umbrellasky
09-22-2005, 04:39 PM
Beautiful! I love the colours. I agree about the texture being too wet but other than that wonderful!

Yongkiat
09-22-2005, 05:17 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1127405860_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7858/7858_1127405860_large.jpg)

This one is a minor adjustments to the trunk (lengthen it a tad bit) and a redo on he texture. Still looking for the right texture for the creature.

AIR
09-22-2005, 08:37 PM
It is much better.
But still lack of that fearfoul elephant expression.
I personaly would add bit more anger to his eyes.
Second,The tusks,I'd make them larger too.Also the ears,I know there is a diference in anatomy of asian(indian) and african elephant,but I'd go for slightly bigger ears,and maybe even make them look worn,,you know when it looks like he has some age.
but whatever,this looks better then previous one.
Keep the edge pal.
Seeya. :thumbsup:

ChristianHammer
09-22-2005, 08:41 PM
Glad to see the updates, the elephant is starting to look really good. I have to agree with the eyes statement. Especially once the armor is on, the eyes can really sell the attitude of the elephant. Of course with the camera perspective of the final this might be a moot point.... Hmmm... Should the tusks be shinier? Love it!

Yongkiat
09-23-2005, 04:03 AM
A I R: The fearful elephant look is going to be a challenge for me. I'll try to create that type off expression in my scene. I agree witht eh tusk's being too short, I'll enlarge this as well. Surely your comments have been helping me improve and it's fun.


HammaJamma: Thanks again for your critique, I'll try to adjust this on my next round in my modelign session. For tusks, I've rendered out a shinier verison but my friends (offline) also commented that the tusk was too shiny. I'll paly around more on this. :) Thanks again, man.

polygonwarrior
09-23-2005, 05:44 AM
carry on the good work:applause:

umbrellasky
09-23-2005, 04:26 PM
wow superb, the textures look so much better! I'm glad you lengthened the trunk too. I quite like the eye, I think it is quite piercing. Nice work!

xric7
09-24-2005, 10:20 AM
sawasdee krub.
love ur elephant a lot.:bounce: nice detail and great anatomy.keep goin.cheers.:thumbsup:
good luck na krub.

idflood
09-24-2005, 10:52 AM
Hi, nice job:)
"The fearful elephant look is going to be a challenge for me ... " I think you are going on the right way. The eye is really good for me, now I think the position of the ears and other little details will make the difference and make the elephant look really "fearfull".
:thumbsup:

Yongkiat
09-26-2005, 04:09 AM
Thank you, CUBISIS, enialadam, xric7, david.mig for your complements. I might eventually enlarge the ear flaps a bit. For the next week, I'll focus more on the elephant body and then onto the armory.

Zapan
10-09-2005, 09:41 AM
woa really cool elephant we can see that you are very familiar with the subject.:thumbsup:

Update man :bounce:

varma
10-09-2005, 06:11 PM
Very cool texturing! Hope to see the entire Elephant done textured and posed!
:thumbsup:

Yongkiat
10-10-2005, 04:04 AM
Thanks all. I 've been so tied up recently with my projects that I couldn't find time to do this challenge. I'll try my best to squeeze some more time to it :)

Hoju
10-10-2005, 04:38 AM
Hi Yongkiat


Iíve just been reading through your thread. I really admire the amount of research youíve done for this project, it is defiantly going to pay off for you. The elephant is looking great, and I feel that with itís armour in place, it will have the fierceness that you require.


Good Luck!:thumbsup:

JurajMolcak
11-03-2005, 10:48 PM
Nice work. Nice progress. What about some dust or dirt for the fighting elephant?

oweron

AI-FOUR
11-05-2005, 07:47 AM
nice image great model and texture
good luck na kub

cLos71
11-15-2005, 05:09 PM
Your elephant sketches are great! The texturing of the elephant is really coming along great, Keep it up! :thumbsup:

fal$eProfit
11-23-2005, 09:13 AM
You rock. I love your concept sketches very nice. I wish you the best of luck in finishing this. The only thing that was bothering me in some of your modeled peices was that it lacked hard edges at times.

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