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Magnemar
09-05-2005, 08:44 AM
James Horn is entered in the "Spectacular Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/spectacular/view_entries.php?challenger=7845)

Latest Update: Modeling: Figure model
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Magnemar
09-05-2005, 12:21 PM
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Transfiguration sketch.

Micro26
09-05-2005, 12:24 PM
Nice start Magnemar good luck and lots of fun.
:)

Magnemar
09-05-2005, 01:18 PM
I'm planning on doing something historical again (like my Master and Servant entry). This sketch is the Transfiguration of Christ from the New Testament, although I'm also considering the following also:

The Fall of Jericho

The Destruction of the Prophets of Baal

The Ascension

I'm always interested in strong light sources and the colours they create/contain, so it'll be interesting to see if I can do this in 3D... I may well end up just painting it as a 2D image.

Comments and crits welcome as always....

alancamara
09-05-2005, 01:49 PM
Nice theme. I liked the sketch. This history is really beautiful and spectacular. Good luck.

Yongkiat
09-05-2005, 04:20 PM
Lookign cool. I like the sketch very much.

westiemad
09-05-2005, 04:25 PM
i was going to the second coming of christ, but changed my mind, looking good so far, i like the painting style

Magnemar
09-06-2005, 07:47 AM
Cheers guys.

Shortgrey
09-06-2005, 08:04 AM
Very spectacular and really cool concept, like the drawing.

calisto-lynn
09-06-2005, 08:28 AM
wow! this looks promising!! good luck mate!!!:)

Magnemar
09-06-2005, 08:35 AM
Good to see you here again, Calisto!

nebezial
09-06-2005, 08:53 AM
man i cant believe no one else thought of this one, and it was so obvious,awesome concept mate:thumbsup: perhaps posing one of the disciples like he is shieldinfg his eyes from the light, that way in the shadow u can work on his expression

icedeyes
09-06-2005, 09:04 AM
The contrast in your image is just perfect man... like the idea too... good luck

warpy
09-06-2005, 09:09 AM
looking good, if i were you i'll hear nebz advice :)
sup neb.

TheFirstAngel
09-06-2005, 09:12 AM
very cool sketch. Religios scenes have that nice "miracle-aspect" wich offers great godly lightfx :) wish ya loadsa fun with it and best of luck mate. Cheers :beer:

ramana
09-06-2005, 10:05 AM
Nice and cool sketch. All the best James.

Chris_Bolton_NSM
09-06-2005, 10:10 AM
hey man, loving the sketch! got alot of depth to it!

best of luck!

Magnemar
09-06-2005, 11:17 AM
Cheers for all your comments :)

Yes Neb, I was planning on having one of the foreground figures turning and shielding his face...

Will hopefully knock another image up over lunch and post it later....

Magnemar
09-06-2005, 01:10 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7845/7845_1126012203_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7845/7845_1126012203_large.jpg)

Started laying out in Max using old characters and assets - trying to get a sense of distance and perspective.

Overlaid the 2d Image to add vibrancy - Need to tweak angles a bit more I think....

JHarford
09-06-2005, 01:26 PM
cool angle. I imagine the guy beaming up in an angel position like the spaceship is god/death taking him away

vincent1
09-06-2005, 02:27 PM
I actually prefer the very bold and blocky look and feel of your initial concept. Perhaps after all the 3d elements are done, you should somehow, somewhere maintain the very ranslucent and dynamics blocks of colour, perhaps as an ethereal-like atmosphere supporting the transfiguration of Christ.

Regards,
Vincent

Rebeccak
09-06-2005, 02:55 PM
Magnemar,

Thank you for inviting me over to your thread! :) I'm flattered. :)

I think you have a nice initial concept and sketch, but you could add a lot to make this a lot more 'Spectacular' in terms of composition. I think you have to look at this from an objective point of view, and not believe that the emotion and sentiment attached to the piece is more important than the execution and basic aspects of good picture~making.

Right now, you have basically a centralized composition with all the action in the upper center of the picture plane. Woo. ;) With the arsenal a 3D package affords you, there are so many more interesting views something like this could take ~ you could have something, say, a cropped closeup of the face of someone who has turned to yell at someone behind them, and then a really forced perspective, off center figure ascending (somewhat in the manner of the ceiling frescoes in many of Europe's great churches). Remember ~ this is not a new theme ~ and has been done by fabulous artists of the past who could dance circles around us all compositionally. What can you do that's different? And Spectacular? :) This is just food for thought. ;)

Look at books of paintings from the Baroque period and from the Renaissance. Ape some of the compositional devices they use ~ frequently the big mistake I see a lot of folks making with 3D when they do figurative compositional work is that they believe what they are doing is original ~ when, despite our advanced technology, the work suffers from a lack of understanding of the basics of color, value, composition, and lighting.

How might you use a chiarascuro style to make this a more interesting composition? I would suggest just randomly playing with lights and darks in Photoshop and / or Painter or on a good old fashioned sketchpad and just working out something which is interesting to you.

Best of luck, and feel free to ask me for help anytime. :)

Hope this helps! :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

Magnemar
09-06-2005, 03:13 PM
Cheers Rebecca! Great comments and help.

I was hoping to play with the composition more once I've got some placeholder characters in - definitely pushing the perspective as much as possible. I'd like to avoid going too Baroque as I've never been a huge fan of that period but I'll certainly take it in a Mannerist direction - pushing the forms as much as possible, contorting the figures etc.

Chiaroscuro-wise - I'd love to try and introduce that Caravaggio-type excess although I also have a fondness for the more abstract look of El Greco and Tintoretto so we'll see where it ends up...

The main thing for me is to try and wrestle the effects I want out of a 3D package - I know how I want it to look so I hope I can get past my technical knowledge...

I'll probably come and pester you again when I've got some figure studies in there...

Cheers!

Rebeccak
09-06-2005, 07:30 PM
Magnemar,

Ooh, mannerist would be really cool!! Do you use ZBrush at all? It's the perfect program as you know for really organic form...once you get past the interface, modeling is kind of a cinch. Good luck with this, look forward to updates! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Magnemar
09-07-2005, 07:25 AM
No zBrush sadly. I'm going to have to do it the hard way....

:(

Magnemar
09-07-2005, 12:28 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7845/7845_1126096081_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7845/7845_1126096081_large.jpg)

Figure study from Michelangelo's Study for The Battle of Cascina.

Thinking of this pose for one of the disciples (of which I shall have three in the scene).

Photoshop sketch.

mmoir
09-07-2005, 12:49 PM
Hey Magnemar,

Great idea, fits well with the theme. Look forward to what you come up with for this and good luck.

Rebeccak
09-07-2005, 10:44 PM
Magnemar,

Great sketch!! Looking forward to seeing where this goes!! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Magnemar
09-08-2005, 12:15 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7845/7845_1126181717_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7845/7845_1126181717_large.jpg)

Another figure study from a Michelangelo original (study for the Battle of Cascina again).

Photoshop sketch.

Hoping to use these forms as basis' for my disciples' forms. Need to find a third as a counterpoint to these two - hopefully facing front.

That'll be tomorrow lunch sewn up then....

:)

ChristianHammer
09-08-2005, 03:53 PM
I'm not sure what trans-whatever means, but I'll assume it means miracle... looks great so far, and definately will be spectacular.

Human sketches are great, am looking forward to seeing this modeled!

LAURO_MX
09-08-2005, 04:25 PM
Great Drawings!
I will be waiching for more:thumbsup:
good luck man

c ya

M477
09-08-2005, 10:34 PM
Hey James, loads done so far!! :eek:

Looking really good too, definately a top idea, with all the light and cloud effects you can
add so much depth into the image. The angels I particularly like, they are very subtle and help to add that 3rd dimension.

Keep up the good work!

:arteest:

Ramteen
09-08-2005, 11:53 PM
sure it`s a nice idea . But I think the character in the light is not so conour ,Have U any solution for this problem after concept sketch ?
Goodluck ...

calisto-lynn
09-09-2005, 10:26 AM
tansfiguration, huh??

IMPRESSIVE!!!cant wait for more! i love the character sketch!!and the colours will be great!!:thumbsup:

Magnemar
09-09-2005, 01:22 PM
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Just a small one today - been trying to pose up an old model into one of the positions...

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