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JamesMK
09-05-2005, 07:12 AM
James Kaufeldt is entered in the "Spectacular Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/spectacular/view_entries.php?challenger=7798)

Latest Update: Final Image: Worst sunday afternoon ever
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1132406668_medium.jpg (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=2836137#post2836137)

Lemog
09-05-2005, 07:13 AM
James Kaufeldt has entered "Spectacular 3D".
Good luck to wabbit man... :thumbsup:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Squibbit
09-05-2005, 07:14 AM
cuckoo , bunnymajik! haha



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madshooter
09-05-2005, 07:16 AM
All the best dude:thumbsup:

ace4016
09-05-2005, 07:18 AM
Good luck:thumbsup: .

gpepper
09-05-2005, 07:18 AM
Yessa !

Another JamesMK's stuff around here ! Nice to see U again in a challenge ! I hope U will find a cool picture !
Have fun ! :thumbsup:

tlggungor
09-05-2005, 07:18 AM
Good luck dude... :bounce:

JamesMK
09-05-2005, 07:31 AM
Yeah, this will be quite an interesting challenge for sure.... Good luck,, and see you all again in three months :D

gpepper
09-05-2005, 07:32 AM
Yeah, this will be quite an interesting challenge for sure.... Good luck,, and see you all again in three months :D

So we won't see U before? :eek:

jddog
09-05-2005, 07:35 AM
yeah, the funky Rabbit is back ! :bounce: good luck James !
jdd

thebest
09-05-2005, 07:50 AM
good luck JamesMK :thumbsup:

Continuumx
09-05-2005, 08:03 AM
Hello James MK,

Good so see you here!

TheFirstAngel
09-05-2005, 08:06 AM
chat tread found! weeee wabbit magic on full fx, best luck and have loadsa fun James!

Pufferfish
09-05-2005, 08:09 AM
Rabbit James!
I wish you Spectacular luck! :)

Cartesius
09-05-2005, 08:24 AM
Show us some wabbit power!!

/Anders

monsitj
09-05-2005, 08:30 AM
hi ! glad to see you here! follow your work from alienware challenge! good luck man!

Russel-Nash
09-05-2005, 08:31 AM
Nice to see you again. :bounce: :bounce:

Good luck!

Russel

JamesMK
09-05-2005, 08:39 AM
Right on, guys!

I have made the necessary adjustments to my 3D software now, so there's no way this can fail:

http://web.telia.com/~u48040664/spectacular/spectacularchannel.gif



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DimitrisLiatsos
09-05-2005, 08:43 AM
Yeah, this will be quite an interesting challenge for sure.... Good luck,, and see you all again in three months :D

Meaning ....:curious:



http://web.telia.com/~u48040664/spectacular/spectacularchannel.gif


and this is something i must do too....Damn...that was smart :scream:


Nice to see u back wabbito...have fun!



50 Points to Bubbletoff!

JamesMK
09-05-2005, 08:47 AM
Meaning ....:curious:
Nothing of course - nothing I ever say really means anything :lightbulb

flaeticia
09-05-2005, 08:55 AM
Good luck to you JamesMK :P :thumbsup:

flyingP
09-05-2005, 09:23 AM
James Kaufeldt has entered "Spectacular 3D".

what, again ? :rolleyes:



good luck wabbit :D win something decent this time

Ego
09-05-2005, 09:46 AM
goodluck wabbit!

erilaz
09-05-2005, 09:51 AM
Hey, great to see you in the comp again James! I'll be stopping by often!

Gunilla
09-05-2005, 10:36 AM
Hiya James! I expect nothing but spectacular work from you this time - good luck and have fun!

JamesMK
09-05-2005, 11:19 AM
Nah, I'll be going for coffee cup equivalents this time too :scream:

Just thinking currently (and eagerly awaiting my new Wacom... ordered it this thursday, and it's supposed to arrive today... maybe I can make some decent sketches with it.... oh wait... bwaaahaahahahhaaaa...)

Current ideas:

1. Big freight train crashing down from bridge and sliding down a busy city street.
Still frame from big bucks motion picture style... Loads of work.

2. Godzilla does Ulan Bator: The mongolian connection.
Pretty darn sucky idea.




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eYadNesS
09-05-2005, 12:17 PM
nenenene, good luck :)

enjoy and have fun...

jddog
09-05-2005, 12:33 PM
2. Godzilla does Ulan Bator: The mongolian connection.
Pretty darn sucky idea.
:scream:
jdd

coCoKNIght
09-05-2005, 01:01 PM
Nah, I'll be going for coffee cup equivalents this time too :scream:

Just thinking currently (and eagerly awaiting my new Wacom... ordered it this thursday, and it's supposed to arrive today... maybe I can make some decent sketches with it.... oh wait... bwaaahaahahahhaaaa...)

Current ideas:

1. Big freight train crashing down from bridge and sliding down a busy city street.
Still frame from big bucks motion picture style... Loads of work.

2. Godzilla does Ulan Bator: The mongolian connection.
Pretty darn sucky idea.




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:curious:

common, you can do more spectacularity...

dzdz

;)

JamesMK
09-05-2005, 06:12 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1125943940_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1125943940_large.jpg)

An initial idea here. This would be the result of a photographer being "lucky" enough to face an enormous passenger jet crashing down on the street just a few blocks away, and he is snapping as many shots as he can while the wreck is sliding fast across the ground towards him. So, this falls in the "captured moments" category...

I will keep doodling and see what else I can come up with.

SheepFactory
09-05-2005, 06:23 PM
That has the potential to be super kickass man!

*subscribed.

umbrellasky
09-05-2005, 06:32 PM
cool idea! good luck with it can't wait to see more progress!!

jfelrod1960
09-05-2005, 06:50 PM
Can't wait to see this monster get off the ground! :thumbsup:

JamesMK
09-05-2005, 07:42 PM
Sheep - Glad you think so, because I sort of had the same feeling it could work really well.... Just comes down to the execution... and that's another story :D

enialadam, jfelrod - I'd like to start modeling right away, but I really should wait a couple of days to make sure I'm on the right track.

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More doodling... update below:

JamesMK
09-05-2005, 07:43 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1125949379_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1125949379_large.jpg)

Mainly just fiddling some more to find out what is needed.

I will have to use a lower camera angle to get the feeling the photographer is actually on the ground. Basically, the lower I get, and the more obvious the vanishing point is, the better it will be in this case I think...

For compositional purposes, probably a residential area to the left with not-so-tall houses, and offices and similar tall buildings to the right.

Grin3d
09-05-2005, 07:43 PM
*subscribe*

Continuumx
09-05-2005, 08:26 PM
I really like your sketches James! The story line for this "extended moment" concept of great impending disaster has a lot of richness.

And congrats to your new adjustments to your 3D software!

gpepper
09-05-2005, 08:35 PM
Ouch !
Another plane crashed on the ground? This is not a concept, this is reality...
Frightening !

kmest
09-05-2005, 08:47 PM
good start james....good luck with your challenge and may the force be with the old wabbit:bounce: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

mr_carl
09-05-2005, 09:36 PM
YO! James, good luck.

And offcourse im a subscriber :thumbsup:

Yea :buttrock:

Carl.

DDS
09-05-2005, 10:11 PM
cool idea, difficult of course. Best luck for you too :)

JamesMK
09-05-2005, 10:35 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1125959706_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1125959706_large.jpg)

It is painfully clear already that I have to cut down on the amount of props to have any chance of eventually finishing this.

Right now I decided to dump some of the buildings, mainly clearing the left part except for a gas station. Lets imagine the outskirts of a rather small city somewhere in a place like Arizona or something

JamesMK
09-05-2005, 10:35 PM
Tyrone: Well, I hope I can manage that sort of moving-in-a-stillframe thing... we'll see I guess :argh:

DDS: Can't deny it will be tricky... Right now I'm a bit worried about the modeling implications - I mean, a crashed airliner, several buildings, at least two different cars, some people running around, and smoke+debris FX... that is... er... a crapload

Ye other visitors: Thanks for stopping by!

rattlesnake
09-06-2005, 12:22 AM
hi man...happy youre here...nice idea already...very challenging one..but with your skillz ull get a great result for sure...good luck!

Kid-Mesh
09-06-2005, 12:25 AM
This looks like its going to be something pretty special, keep it up :)

se7enthcin
09-06-2005, 12:53 AM
looks interesting. I'm going to have to follow this one :D

Continuumx
09-06-2005, 12:53 AM
Hello James,

I know where you are coming from with the modeling. I think there is enough time to do it. The good thing is you got a great start. The concept is awesome. I mean, we are going to have this incredible crashing plane in clear POV. Even if you blocked out everything in simple geometry to see what kind of scale you are dealing with, I still think this will be very successful. I think that is how I am going to handle my scene, start with simple geometry to block out the major components because if I start to focus on one area. I could easily get sucked into modeling things like door knobs and dust fibers and still not have the big idea set in polygons!

Yongkiat
09-06-2005, 04:51 AM
I like your sketches on plane crash very interesing view as well.

Yong

Climax
09-06-2005, 05:07 AM
• HMMM, Waddsup up doc?
:beer:

Nomad
09-06-2005, 06:03 AM
Nice start :thumbsup: good luck :bounce:

thebest
09-06-2005, 06:17 AM
nice concept

Neeno
09-06-2005, 06:45 AM
nice concept dude all the best mate

superslug
09-06-2005, 08:20 AM
Good luck....!

nebezial
09-06-2005, 08:23 AM
WOW:eek: this could look frickin awesome!!!

vampeta
09-06-2005, 08:32 AM
Hey Dude

Welcome to the party
And good Luck to you

Cheers :beer: Alex

icedeyes
09-06-2005, 09:12 AM
Something like that almost happened here in Greece a little while ago... Emotional idea i can say... i will be watching your thread... Good luck

jddog
09-06-2005, 09:25 AM
what's that: an airplain... I thought about giant rabbit crash on the city... :thumbsup: very effective and spectacular concept.
jdd

DimitrisLiatsos
09-06-2005, 10:57 AM
Spectalicious Theme me thinks....good prescription to successfull imagery spectacle (..no it doesn't say tentacle...spectacle)....:scream: :thumbsup:

Grin3d
09-06-2005, 11:01 AM
Tyrone: Well, I hope I can manage that sort of moving-in-a-stillframe thing... we'll see I guess :argh:

DDS: Can't deny it will be tricky... Right now I'm a bit worried about the modeling implications - I mean, a crashed airliner, several buildings, at least two different cars, some people running around, and smoke+debris FX... that is... er... a crapload

Ye other visitors: Thanks for stopping by!

you already have that sort of "moving-in-a-stillframe" in your third scetch; my opinion.
translate it to 3d could be much harder ... good luck to you with your spectacular idea.
there's a lot to do ... but you will manage it.
grin3d

joshcxa
09-06-2005, 11:21 AM
wowee. This is gonna be HUGE!
good luck!!

Tremoside
09-06-2005, 11:24 AM
Hey Wabbit,

Nice to see you man! Fun is checked on my list! You're a proof of it!
So time to crash our RAMs!

T

JamesMK
09-06-2005, 11:32 AM
rattlessssssnake: Hey dude! So how's Mexico this time of the year then?

Tyrone: Yep, blocking everything out with low poly stuff is the way to go.... will happen soon. Besides, it makes it easier to set up lights too. I've used such a "proxy approach" ever since the GSO challenge, and it works really well.

Julien: Haha, I've actually made some changes that might allow a few wabbits in the scene. Not giant ones though, but regular size.

Grin3D: Yep, the 3D translation will be trickier... I've thought about it before, how to get a sketchy unordered quality into 3D - maybe this is the time to try it.

Dimitris: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tentacles!

All other posters: :beer:

EDIT: Tremo! Hi dude! :wavey:

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Update coming below:

JamesMK
09-06-2005, 11:33 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126006428_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126006428_large.jpg)

Some more thinking... and a graphic design approach; i.e. removing everything that does not contribute to the core impact of the concept.

So, I keep the road (for vanishing point), and the streetlights (for the same reason, and scale/distance reference) and add one single guy, running really fast to get to his car (to provide an emotional attachement) - and then basically drop everything else.

Reminds me of that Hitchcock (?) movie where Cary Grant (?) is being chased by a small airplane....

robo3687
09-06-2005, 11:45 AM
sounds great.....

can't wait to see it

Russel-Nash
09-06-2005, 11:58 AM
Great concept. I like it a lot. :thumbsup:

Russel

JHarford
09-06-2005, 12:17 PM
Thats great man..i like the composition. you have a talent for that. I was thinking along the same lines with the plane crash, seems there are so many of them recently, reference wont be a problem. hope you get it all completed.
good luck

Gunilla
09-06-2005, 12:40 PM
Above quoted for agreement. This comp looks really good - Where is it taking place?
Will it be a Hitchcock style scene from the forties in B&W? ... :)

callumjhattingh
09-06-2005, 12:45 PM
this is a very broad subject for the comp and i know there will be some amazing artwork to go along with it good luck and keep art alive

Lemog
09-06-2005, 12:49 PM
totally agree with that... "less is more"... the whole with a camera a little less wise perhaps :thumbsup:

coCoKNIght
09-06-2005, 12:58 PM
There you go, that's spectacular enough. I allow you to continue with that idea :) :p

DimitrisLiatsos
09-06-2005, 01:47 PM
Agree with Lemog , if what he meens is to go a bit closer and show the ship Bigger...it will have greater impact i thing if it doesn't show 100%...i think :bounce:

JamesMK
09-06-2005, 03:48 PM
stripe - Thanks, after having made a lot of compositional mistakes in the not-so-distant past, I've come to terms with the fact that it really has to be roughly sorted out as early as possible.

Gunilla - Location: A place that looks like Arizona. It's funny really, considering I've never been there... but I like the look of it. Going black/white for the final sounds like a bold choice, but very tempting as well. I might play around with that during the final post adjustments... or maybe go for B/W + one accent colour, like orange or red or something... could be pretty nifty perhaps

Lemog, Dimitris - I can always fiddle with the cropping later on... but you're right about a slightly tighter look.

coCoKNIght - Thanks, it's safe to move on then? :D

All ye others - :beer: Stay tuned

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Updates postponed for a few hours. Still trying to come to terms with this here Wacom thingy... only used it for two days now, and it still feels a bit slippery, although without a doubt 100 times better than the old mouse... if only I could draw as well, then the concepts would probably even look good :D





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miketche
09-06-2005, 04:44 PM
Attaching myself to your thread. Great concept so far. :eek:

rattlesnake
09-06-2005, 07:12 PM
Hey mate...Mexico city is a little rainy these days...but nothing major...just horrible traffic jam because rains...

ok about your sketch..i like the new shot ...:applause:

JamesMK
09-06-2005, 07:27 PM
miketche - Hi ya!

Lescale - Ah, could be worse than heavy raining then I guess - and thanks for the idea you sent me, I'll see what could come out of it :thumbsup:

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Nothing major happening right now, just gathering some reference material:

JamesMK
09-06-2005, 07:28 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126034880_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126034880_large.jpg)

Current collection of reference pics after a Google rampage...

tlggungor
09-06-2005, 07:42 PM
Good shots

Solothores
09-06-2005, 07:56 PM
Hi James

Over at the 2d section someone has taken up the idea of a passenger jet crash as well, however placing it in a city-scenery. Just to inform you. :) May the wabbit goddess of ultimate creative powers guide you on every click. :thumbsup:

Cheers
Solo

jddog
09-06-2005, 08:18 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126034880_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126034880_large.jpg)

:argh: a mistake my friend... I don't see any rabbit in your reference ! Pay attention...






:p
jdd

WesleyTack
09-06-2005, 08:38 PM
your concept is really amazing, and the research you put into it can only mean a better outcome of the final image! i can't wait to see how you bring this to a finish !
good luck, and i will be watching closely! :)

JamesMK
09-06-2005, 09:16 PM
Solothores - Guess that was inevitable, it is a perfect event for the theme... Anyone having been close to a plane crash at some point (and I have), know there are very few things that have the same combination of fear and wow factor.

jddog - Crappo... forgot the wabbits again :D

tolga, simon.wt - thanks for stopping by :thumbsup:

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Scenario variation update below:

JamesMK
09-06-2005, 09:16 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126041390_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126041390_large.jpg)

Following an interesting suggestion from Rattlesnake, I'm trying out a scenario where the plane comes down on a bridge instead.... Changed the plane angle to fit in, and I guess this has some potential as well.

Peter C.
09-06-2005, 09:26 PM
Best of luck James. Your concept sure has the elements for this challenge.

If your open to suggestions, how about viewing the scene from a rear view mirror of a car? The "wabbit" could be the driver, only showing his fluffy ears :D

JamesMK
09-06-2005, 09:29 PM
how about viewing the scene from a rear view mirror of a car? The "wabbit" could be the driver, only showing his fluffy ears :D
Mwaahaahaa! Nice idea - I could reuse that excellent little joke from jurassic park too: "Objects in mirror are closer than they appear"

However, I'm pretty much certain I want the "documentary photo" look for this, so the mirror thing might not be what I want - although admittedly an interesting suggestion.

spirogyro
09-06-2005, 10:32 PM
I think this shot is very sweet, and I understand what your trying to capture. For some reason when I look at this last sketch, I feel as if I need to see the bridge actually make a wave from the impact towards everyone. Your shot really captures the "shot before all hell breaks loose". AWESOME!

Pgraphics
09-06-2005, 10:48 PM
Nice idea. Looks like you have good start too. This will be fun to watch...Good luck

JHarford
09-06-2005, 10:52 PM
wow good start. im looking forward more now.
Very similar to my sketches today :o ..thats not good!. for me :|
Good luck

rattlesnake
09-07-2005, 12:03 AM
hey man is looking good!!,for me the shot is ok,i think the bridge can also balnce to the sides or twist ,i saw at tv a bridge that fall because an earth quake, and it twisted too much before collapsing, hope it helps , i really like your concept man!!..

sorry wasnt an earthquake..it was because the strong wind. :)

eYadNesS
09-07-2005, 12:57 AM
Comeon James, start doing 3D... :thumbsup:

Micro26
09-07-2005, 01:03 AM
Excellent theme, this is gonna be huge:scream:
:thumbsup:

jfelrod1960
09-07-2005, 02:10 AM
Can you give a few specs on the size of this plane? How does it compare to the new A380?

Yongkiat
09-07-2005, 03:44 AM
Sketch #6 looks really dynamic as it seems like it's moving toward the audience. I like that!

Yong

jddog
09-07-2005, 07:24 AM
If your open to suggestions, how about viewing the scene from a rear view mirror of a car? The "wabbit" could be the driver, only showing his fluffy ears :D
whahahaha ! :scream:
jdd

JamesMK
09-07-2005, 07:37 AM
spirogyro - glad you like it... and having the bridge ripple, wave and break is what I intend, it's a good thing adding to the.... ummm... spectacularity

Pgraphics, Mr Micro26 - Good to hear

stripe - Haha, crappy coincidence then eh? Though I'm sure there's room for more than one crash in this challenge

rattlesnake - Twisting added to list, no matter if it's wind or earthquakes... besides, strong winds could be the very reason the plane crashes here :lightbulb

eyad - Soon.... soon

jfelrod - If A380 is as big as they get, then it's going to be similar to an A380 :D I don't know anything about airplanes at all in fact, so there's some massive research ahead for me. It's funny though, because believe it or not, I have never modeled neither cars nor airplanes before... and now I'm stuck with both in the same image...

Yongkiat - Oh, great that you get that impression, it's exactly the effect I want to try to capture

jddog - No fluffy ears.



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azazel
09-07-2005, 08:32 AM
this site may help in aircraft research...

http://www.airliners.net/search/index.main

good luck :)

WesleyTack
09-07-2005, 09:16 AM
yea, go with the bridge! make it the Golden Gate or something, its just gonna be so amazing, i sense a movie coming soon with the exact same scene ! :p

Lemog
09-07-2005, 10:27 AM
Yeah... this one is very strong... :thumbsup:

Clanger
09-07-2005, 11:58 AM
The Spectacular factor is a ten here, pull this off well and you'll be on the leader board

DimitrisLiatsos
09-07-2005, 12:11 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126041390_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126041390_large.jpg)

Following an interesting suggestion from Rattlesnake, I'm trying out a scenario where the plane comes down on a bridge instead.... Changed the plane angle to fit in, and I guess this has some potential as well.


This is better me thinks....concept i mean...


And some ref for A380 :bounce: .....


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20050114/airbus380.gif

sonicstrawbery
09-07-2005, 12:14 PM
Nice to see you in James, you've taken a good start with this idea ! I really like the last sketch with this camera pov :)

I subscribe to see the next, good luck man ! :thumbsup:

DimitrisLiatsos
09-07-2005, 12:16 PM
and.....



http://www.airport-technology.com/projects/doha/images/Qatar4.jpg

aaaaand....


http://news.xinhuanet.com/video/2005-01/18/xin_032010218111592138833.jpg


And finally...

A 747 blue print......


http://www.suchoj.com/andere/Boeing%20747/riss/747_05.jpg


I suspect that the 747 will have more impact on the image 'cuase it's a very well known plane and it's big enough....:bounce:

Lemog
09-07-2005, 12:59 PM
Plizzzzzzzzzzzz James... not the A380 :love::cry: :love: :bowdown: :wavey: Thanks :thumbsup:

Gunilla
09-07-2005, 01:22 PM
I think the bridge is a good place to crash into ... perhaps you could have it filled with thousends of people on their way somewhere? Kids on their way to summer camp? Pilgrims?
Maybe to creepy ... and as for model of the aircraft I've absolutely no suggestions, they're all flying thingies to me :)

gpepper
09-07-2005, 02:04 PM
Maybe the Airbus Beluga... I think this is the biggest cargos plane of the world...

http://www.sxf-spotterlempio.de/archivfotos/airbusBeluga.jpg

Big isn't it ?

Lemog
09-07-2005, 02:45 PM
Maybe the Airbus Beluga... I think this is the biggest cargos plane of the world...
Hmmmmm... I don't know... it seems really very badly modelized, which did that? :scream: hahahaha

gpepper
09-07-2005, 03:12 PM
Hmmmmm... I don't know... it seems really very badly modelized, which did that? :scream: hahahaha

Don't know, a guy called laurent or antoine...

JamesMK
09-07-2005, 03:28 PM
azazel - Thanks a lot for linky, I immediately found lots of useful pics there

simon.wt - Yep, I've been sifting through heaps of shots of the Golden Gate, and it seems to have the right size too... six lanes o_O... by why on earth it's RED instead of gold or at least yellow makes me very confused

Clanger - Thanks, I've got high hopes for the concept as such, a bit less when it comes to actually modeling all the needed stuff :D

Dimitris - Great pics there! And you have a point with the 747, since it's more or less synonymous to "big bloody jet" in peoples' minds... In the end I will most likely end up doing some sort of combinatory bastard airliner, because if I should sit down and model a precise copy of something, I'm going to get bored really quickly and drop out :D

cipher - Nice to see you around!

Gunilla - It would be rather nifty to fill the bridge with lots of people, but realisticly speaking, I won't have the time to pull something like that off I think. It will be just a few cars and one person running.

Lemog and gpepper (the french connection) - Oookay, A380 is not a very popular choice I see... However, that Beluga is the most awful thing I've ever seen o_O Whoever is responsible for the design (don't think even Laurent would do something that ugly ;) should be shot immediately.




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spirogyro
09-07-2005, 03:51 PM
Hey James, I just thought of something you may like. What about the "rebirth of the concord"? The catastrophy that happens on the first relaunch of the plane since the last accident. That would make peoples jaw drop.

JamesMK
09-07-2005, 03:53 PM
Hey James, I just thought of something you may like. What about the "rebirth of the concord"? The catastrophy that happens on the first relaunch of the plane since the last accident. That would make peoples jaw drop.
That could be a cool solution. Concords do look rather sporty, as opposed to the Airbus... and I'm sure they will break apart in a more spectacular way too :D




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Lemog
09-07-2005, 04:27 PM
Whoever is responsible for the design (don't think even Laurent would do something that ugly ;) should be shot immediately.:scream: hahahaha


I think the choice of the Concord is very good... but not very adapted with your camera framing... viewing of front juste permet to see the very very thin fuselage of this airplane... then, less impressive than a Jumbo Jet for example...
You can moove the problem if the Concord, braking by its nose... glide with the tail high... that's certainly give a good move/action to your picture... with these impressive wings left, no ?

I wait your final decision about the aiplaine type and the continuation of this great project...

hahahaha... The French Collection :p

Squibbit
09-07-2005, 04:36 PM
go with airbus, dude, that latest sketch just rocks



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AIR
09-07-2005, 04:38 PM
Hi james dude,,is this a hercules type aircraft,,,the final for this image based on the sketch u made in my head is kicking ass,keep it up.

Clanger
09-07-2005, 04:44 PM
Concord's a great plane but has a very thin fuselage and the thing I like the most about the concept is the big fat body ploughing up the bridge.
What about one of those monster transport plans?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39746000/jpg/_39746687_plane300_ap.jpg

Tremoside
09-07-2005, 04:49 PM
Crash, airplane, mess, bloody jumbo? All of the contents you have for the cookbook's recipe.

Keep it mixin. Man this is a nightmare since the first line. Best luck my friend!

JamesMK
09-07-2005, 04:54 PM
First, thanks all for your feedback!

Secondly (as a class-action reply): Yes, upon further investigation - the Concord is actually a bit to slimlined for this concept, it just wouldn't be the same. What I imagine here is the impression of something hideously huge setting down, nose/belly first, with extreme and disastrous impact... it has to look really heavy, so I'm sure it has to be an Airbus or some sort of cargo jet... I'll probably stick to the A380, but I'll tweak it around a fair bit. The most important bit aside from sheer volume is how it's "face" will look, and the default A380 doesn't look exactly right. So I'll end up with something of the same size and overall construction, but some changes made to the cockpit windows and so forth.

Besides, I found one very nice thing about the Airbus design - just look at the elegant curvature of the wings in this rear view photo:

http://web.telia.com/~u48040664/spectacular/a380_17.jpg





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JamesMK
09-07-2005, 05:10 PM
http://web.telia.com/~u48040664/spectacular/jean-reno.jpg

:D


Umm... I'll go back to work now...




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mosconariz
09-07-2005, 05:45 PM
Hehehehe!

I think the A380 or a design of your own are the best options :thumbsup:

LAURO_MX
09-07-2005, 06:06 PM
Wow
Spectacular!:D I loved the idea!
good luck 4u
c ya

collings
09-07-2005, 07:28 PM
yeah love the idea too !
Good luck JamesMK :)

Lemog
09-07-2005, 10:50 PM
http://web.telia.com/~u48040664/spectacular/jean-reno.jpg

:D


Umm... I'll go back to work now...




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Hahahahahaha... you forget something... now, we've glasses all the 2 :scream:

madshooter
09-08-2005, 05:25 AM
Concept is simply rocking, but please start modeling. I am waiting to see the a380 model's first wip.

Keep the good work going:thumbsup:

JamesMK
09-08-2005, 08:12 AM
Glad y'all like the idea... and Laurent, I'll make sure to add glasses next time :D

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Anyways, just a status report - I've finally made up my mind about the airplane now, thanks to Clanger for posting that cargo jet picture, and to my brother for calling me yesterday saying that what I need is the Antonov An 124-100 Ruslan ... which happens to be just what Clanger posted :D ... it's a really huge, solid old Russian cargo jet, the kind you use when you need to move a wingless 747 somewhere: just put it in the trunk of the Antonov.

http://web.telia.com/~u48040664/spectacular/antonov_an_124_100_ruslan.jpg

So, I'll start modeling this today.

Modeling TODO list, in chronological order:

1. The Antonov
2. A few segments of the Golden Gate
3. The main character
4. One car (probably a Fiat 500)
5. Another car (probably a Ford Mondeo)

Now this is rather a nasty list... I keep telling myself that I'm lucky the character and cars are going to be rather small in the final image, so they won't have to be super-detailed.

So, next update will be some actual 3D.






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Lemog
09-08-2005, 08:37 AM
Good choice with the Antonov... now, you can GO... a real pleasure to follow that James :thumbsup:

DimitrisLiatsos
09-08-2005, 08:49 AM
Antonov...is a great choice:thumbsup: ....it's the Fiat 500 that i am worrying about :scream:

gpepper
09-08-2005, 09:01 AM
Antonov...is a great choice:thumbsup: ....

Good choice because this plane is the one which have the highest number of crash !

collings
09-08-2005, 10:10 AM
Lol ok so Let's go :bounce:

claudiojordao
09-08-2005, 10:14 AM
Hey James, great work. Nice to see you are back too! Good luck.

nemirc
09-08-2005, 02:18 PM
I remember watching something about a plane crash in NatGeo one of these days. What happened is that the front part (the "nose") literaly tore off. The vibration on the rest of the body was so high that the tips of the wings also tore off seconds later. In the end what crashed was a headless wingless plane :surprised

Maybe you could use that concept for this image :D

JamesMK
09-08-2005, 02:43 PM
I remember watching something about a plane crash in NatGeo one of these days. What happened is that the front part (the "nose") literaly tore off. The vibration on the rest of the body was so high that the tips of the wings also tore off seconds later. In the end what crashed was a headless wingless plane :surprised

Maybe you could use that concept for this image :D

LOL. Yep, something like that is what's going to happen, although the nose will probably be more or less in place still. Both wings will be in the process of being torn off, as I expect they tend to do so when slamming into the bridge pylons and wires :D



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coCoKNIght
09-08-2005, 02:56 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126041390_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126041390_large.jpg)

Following an interesting suggestion from Rattlesnake, I'm trying out a scenario where the plane comes down on a bridge instead.... Changed the plane angle to fit in, and I guess this has some potential as well.

Oh wow, yes i think this one has much more potential than the other angles. You can almost see the plane getting closer and closer :argh: :D :thumbsup:

jddog
09-08-2005, 03:39 PM
http://web.telia.com/~u48040664/spectacular/jean-reno.jpg
:scream:
uhlalala même jean et son nez et passé par ici, vas-y fonçe James...

wait about the anthonypopof plain wip session... :wip:
jdd

nemirc
09-08-2005, 05:43 PM
LOL. Yep, something like that is what's going to happen, although the nose will probably be more or less in place still. Both wings will be in the process of being torn off, as I expect they tend to do so when slamming into the bridge pylons and wires :D
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Sweet :twisted:

Pgraphics
09-08-2005, 09:22 PM
Great plane choice not to sure about those cars on the Golden Gate Bridge. Maybe a Lexus SUV and a Buick Lesabre. More common cars found in the USA.

Climax
09-09-2005, 02:44 AM
• Man! have u consider such a crash in a stadium during an important european football game?, wow, that would be spectacular all the chaos the fire, hysteria, adrenaline all around

Great ideas James, keep 'em comming :scream:

JamesMK
09-09-2005, 06:42 PM
coCoKNIght - Yes, I think it's close to the optimal view there

Julien - Er... mais oui!

nemirc - The thought of it is the only thing that can give me the energy to build this stuff... I absolutely despise mechanical modeling

Pgraphics - Good points... The Fiat 500 is planned simply for the fun of it, since it's hard to find a smaller and uglier car. I could very well scratch the Ford though and make some sort of SUV instead.

Climax - Haha! Arena crash would be cool, but I've pretty much settled for the bridge version now

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Update (minor) below - at least I've started to model a little....




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JamesMK
09-09-2005, 06:42 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126291349_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126291349_large.jpg)

Just putting the basic Antonov together... details remain to be added.

Mechanical modeling is soooo booooooooooring I actually had to take a nap after getting to this point :D

Can't wait to tear this up into small pieces of wreckage though. That should be fun enough to make up for the tedious build-up phase....

nebezial
09-09-2005, 07:09 PM
sweeet me likes that planeee

eYadNesS
09-09-2005, 07:56 PM
Wow james, nice model, very clean... I like it...

I can't complain on your work, we know you, great modeler :D
So don't get boring of modeling, we would like to see from you..

best wishes :)

Gunilla
09-09-2005, 08:13 PM
Aha! You've started to model - great! I really like the front shot of that plane ... looks a bit like a fat cartoon duck, the model will be perfect for this scene. keep going!

JamesMK
09-09-2005, 08:50 PM
nebezial, eyad, Gunilla - Cheers :beer:

Got some more stuff done - below:

JamesMK
09-09-2005, 08:50 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126299024_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126299024_large.jpg)

Got the engines built and attached.

Had to make a funky render to stay motivated :)

eYadNesS
09-09-2005, 08:54 PM
Wow, thats nice..

P.S Please say "Hi" to your little daughter instead of me.. :wavey:
Take care of her... :)

Lemog
09-09-2005, 08:55 PM
You're working so fast James... anyway, that start well :thumbsup:

YasushAzush
09-09-2005, 09:19 PM
clean model so far...waiting for more model:thumbsup:

fgdf
09-09-2005, 09:57 PM
Looking good so far . I can't wait to see it destroyed

Climax
09-09-2005, 10:55 PM
• Hey Wabbit!, when you eat it, could u give me the bones for my image? :blush: :D

JamesMK
09-10-2005, 12:09 AM
eyad - Will do :thumbsup:

lemog, visualact, the_fdgf - Umm... oi!

Climax - I'll see what can be done. Not sure if airplanes have bones, but I will find out

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Minor update before beddy bye-bye... below:

JamesMK
09-10-2005, 12:10 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126311002_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126311002_large.jpg)

Well...

One engine down... the disaster is unavoidable :twisted:




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ihamid
09-10-2005, 12:22 AM
nice looking plane model u got there! and thats a superb concept man!:thumbsup:

Climax
09-10-2005, 01:55 AM
http://www.prodigyweb.net.mx/viza/BoneplaneCool.jpg


• You are right! funky renders keeps people motivated :scream:

nemirc
09-10-2005, 02:09 AM
http://www.prodigyweb.net.mx/viza/BoneplaneCool.jpg


• You are right! funky renders keeps people motivated :scream:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :applause:

tlggungor
09-10-2005, 09:16 AM
you are fast jamesmk... nice smoke trails

Squibbit
09-10-2005, 09:49 AM
yea nice, climax :thumbsup:


hey james , in the burning engine pic u could add like
a hundred motion blurred supermen with buckets in their
hands around the engine ,as he was carrying water from
a nearby sea with lightspeed to put out the fire !!

spectacular!

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jddog
09-10-2005, 09:59 AM
hey james your Anthonypopof plane model looks very good. So funny vignettes :D

For smoke and fire what are you using ? StormTracer ? (is fully compatible with 9.5 ?) I asking my self how I will create the big explosion in my work and I'm not sure to use Pyro for some render time reason...
:thumbsup:
jdd

JamesMK
09-10-2005, 11:03 AM
yunisirees - Thanx0rs

LOL @ Climax, nemirc - That's what we'd see if Kate Moss was an airplane :D

-tolga- - Nah, not even close to as fast as I'd like to be... must inject more coffee

Squibbly thing - Hehe, that's a neat idea :D

Julien - Don't know about ST and 9.5 compatibility, 'cause I actually don't have ST. The smoke and fire here is Pyrocluster, and considering these last two renders were using PC and GI combined but still rendered @ around 15 minutes it's not too bad, and I'll probably use it in the final render as well... just avoid using the self-shadow option for the pyro material, and set the PC tracer world step size as high as possible (while avoiding stairstepping artifacts)

jddog
09-10-2005, 11:26 AM
Julien - Don't know about ST and 9.5 compatibility, 'cause I actually don't have ST. The smoke and fire here is Pyrocluster, and considering these last two renders were using PC and GI combined but still rendered @ around 15 minutes it's not too bad, and I'll probably use it in the final render as well... just avoid using the self-shadow option for the pyro material, and set the PC tracer world step size as high as possible (while avoiding stairstepping artifacts)

ty for your reply... will made some test later in my own wips
jdd

JHarford
09-10-2005, 01:35 PM
lol thats great :)...


James : .lt's looking pretty good so far, the modeling is clean, not sure how detailed your willing to go with it, or what you think is required. i assume most is going to come from texture work?

xric7
09-10-2005, 01:53 PM
wow!!cool plane.both urs and climax's.lol.cheers.:thumbsup:

JamesMK
09-10-2005, 02:01 PM
Julien - No prob, hope it works out. Don't know how much difference R9.5 makes on the rendertimes, but it used to be possible to get decent times in 9.1 as well.

Stripe - I'll need rather heavy detailing, but since everything is going to be broken apart and messed up in various ways, I'll handle the details on a part-by-part basis. Then lots of stuff in textures too hopefully.

xric7 - Cheers!

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Started messing up the cockpit. I'm having much more fun now :D

Update below....

JamesMK
09-10-2005, 02:01 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126360906_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126360906_large.jpg)

Started messing up the cockpit here. Will need lots of small broken things everywhere to sell this image.

Gunilla
09-10-2005, 02:30 PM
Beautiful start - blimey, you're really good :thumbsup:

gpepper
09-10-2005, 02:56 PM
Nice ! Great job ! :drool:

umbrellasky
09-10-2005, 04:42 PM
cool! Nice work on the dents! :D

claudiojordao
09-10-2005, 05:09 PM
Oh my God, a floffy cockpit just landed on my screen :)
Nice job James.

nemirc
09-10-2005, 05:40 PM
Good start :D
I want to see the broken windows already :twisted:

Fahrija
09-10-2005, 06:04 PM
Hey James,

good idea...don´t want to miss the development of this scene.

btw - what happens with the wings of the plane. Are they allready broken in this stage? Couldn´t see that anywhere.


fahrija



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JamesMK
09-10-2005, 08:13 PM
Gunilla, gpepper, enialadam - Thanks dudes and dudettes

Claudio - Hey, I saw you're in too, good stuff coming there as usual

nemirc - Yeah, I'll see about cracking some glass. It seems the glass they use is horribly durable though, might be hard to break...

Fahrija - Well, the wings will have been torn off just a second or so before the image, so they will be very close by, yet no longer attached to the fuselage.


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More cockpit mayhem below:

JamesMK
09-10-2005, 08:14 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126383290_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126383290_large.jpg)

The destruction continues...

flyingP
09-10-2005, 08:19 PM
what no broken glass ? :D

JamesMK
09-10-2005, 08:20 PM
what no broken glass ? :D
Shuddup :D

collings
09-10-2005, 08:28 PM
com'on broke glasses :D
nice start JamesMK!

Claireabella
09-10-2005, 08:28 PM
.....cool wreckage! :thumbsup:

kmest
09-10-2005, 08:41 PM
ow...seems pretty nice.....good job on model,,now go for glasses;)

flyingP
09-10-2005, 08:49 PM
yep that's just what it needs ..... glasses :cool:

and a large nose and moustache:lightbulb


....and a cigar

:D

Ramteen
09-10-2005, 08:53 PM
yes , It`s ok .nice progress .hope to see more .

mmoir
09-10-2005, 09:01 PM
Hey James,
How's it going , looks like your off to a quick start . Looks like your image is going to crash and burn.:) Bad joke , I know. You have done a great job with the modeling of the nose cone half destroyed. Look forward to the rest of your piece.

JamesMK
09-10-2005, 10:12 PM
Hush now, all of you - surely you must have better things to do :D

Small thing below, and I wish thee all a good night:





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JamesMK
09-10-2005, 10:13 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126390381_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126390381_large.jpg)

This one is close to the intended final camera angle and focal length (really long lens)

eYadNesS
09-10-2005, 10:18 PM
Wow that's nice james.. this thing in the glass is a reflection (something like the fan).. or it is a glass breaking? :shrug:

lilCara
09-10-2005, 10:26 PM
Looks like a crack to me ;)

I like the modeling, appears to be a banana pealed the wrong way :D

Great job, I'll be watching this!

Nomad
09-10-2005, 10:36 PM
Exellent :thumbsup:

I think you can broke more glasses... use stones :D

Seven
09-10-2005, 10:36 PM
wow, really nice! this is coming along great.

mosconariz
09-10-2005, 11:07 PM
Nice! The airplane damage looks good, waitin' 2 C more!

SuperXCM
09-10-2005, 11:36 PM
Hi James!!:wavey:


Waouw, good concept, really spectacular!! And very cool modeling, i like the camera view...
I'm subscribe, and i'm waiting for more update!!!

:beer:

nemirc
09-11-2005, 03:42 AM
nemirc - Yeah, I'll see about cracking some glass. It seems the glass they use is horribly durable though, might be hard to break...

Still I think that a crash of that magnitude would be able to break it. Pressure and birds crashing onto the glass is one thing, crashing is another :drool:

vrhead
09-11-2005, 05:31 AM
thats some good stuff.. but i agree the presure would turn that glass in to lil chunks in the crews face.. but its still a wip so im sure you will find a good look for the crash

zsocee
09-11-2005, 05:56 AM
hi owesome work here :applause:

if U R still searching the right cargo jet, than U should chek out the ANTONOV 225
(the biggest & stongest cargo jet in the world today :) , & I think its the most beautiful in its category)

1 pic. from the little baby : http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=243200
lot's of pic.-s from it : http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?offset=0&where=|Antonov%20An-225%20Mriya||||||1|||||||Antonov%20An-225%20Mriya||||||||||||||||||||||||

SLUCT
09-11-2005, 09:00 AM
This thread looks very promising,
i´ll keep watching it. keep up posting, reference material and initial sketches. very inspiring.

authentic
09-11-2005, 09:50 AM
Already great modelisation and point of view. I like it.

Squibbit
09-11-2005, 09:56 AM
that front shot looks just awesome..totally... u can wreck stuff with style, bunny!


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keetmun
09-11-2005, 12:11 PM
My you're fast! Just dropping by to subscribe, I'll be watching!

:buttrock:

coCoKNIght
09-11-2005, 02:39 PM
Those deformations are looking very good. I'm confident this will be a top pic! :thumbsup:

percydaman
09-11-2005, 02:47 PM
great job as usual james. great concept, great execution. lets get it on! :thumbsup::)

aliasali
09-11-2005, 03:41 PM
hi James,nice concept...go on!

Reverender
09-11-2005, 03:56 PM
Excellent idea...it'll be interesting to watch the development. Good luck!

LAURO_MX
09-11-2005, 04:09 PM
this goes to be very sweet man!
i will be waching here:thumbsup:
c ya

JamesMK
09-11-2005, 07:05 PM
Whoa... thanks to all (that means YOU) for stopping by!

Been a bit busy today with an entirely different gig, so I'm afraid there's not going to be an update until tomorrow, but that's just the way things go.

Had a chance to do some further research into the windshield issue ( :D ) and I can only confirm my initial suspicion: them dang windows don't break easily - check the image below from the cockpit of the jet crashing in Lockerbie once upon a time... the whole plane is totally trashed, but the windshield is still intact (even the wipers look OK)

http://web.telia.com/~u48040664/spectacular/lockerbie_intact_windshield.jpg

Anyways, see y'all tomorrow.




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flyingP
09-11-2005, 07:46 PM
Whoa... thanks to all (that means YOU) for stopping by!

Been a bit busy today with an entirely different gig, so I'm afraid there's not going to be an update until tomorrow, but that's just the way things go.

Had a chance to do some further research into the windshield issue ( :D ) and I can only confirm my initial suspicion: them dang windows don't break easily - check the image below from the cockpit of the jet crashing in Lockerbie once upon a time... the whole plane is totally trashed, but the windshield is still intact (even the wipers look OK)

http://web.telia.com/%7Eu48040664/spectacular/lockerbie_intact_windshield.jpg

Anyways, see y'all tomorrow.




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yes but this is art, go on break a window :D

YasushAzush
09-11-2005, 08:08 PM
coolll crash.......welldone:thumbsup:

Versiden
09-11-2005, 09:53 PM
great start dude.. it's looking really good so far, I think it's a difficult task to model something like this, so far it's sweeeeeet :buttrock:

JamesMK
09-11-2005, 10:21 PM
yes but this is art, go on break a window :D
Ah, on yer bike...

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Um, well, I ended up modeling a bit more anyway, hard to resist... update below:



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JamesMK
09-11-2005, 10:22 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126477319_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126477319_large.jpg)

Well, although I *really* should be doing something else right now, I just had to add the midsection and beat it up good.

Ramteen
09-11-2005, 10:31 PM
Wow , Oh my god , Now really I can feel that it`s a big and heavy stuff .acctually U done on 0best mode .I`m keeping watch onto ur progress .goodluck ...

Lordrych
09-11-2005, 10:57 PM
I would say to give it more movement, that in the end you want the glass to be exploding out of the window, It will give the plane overall a sense a movement...............Know what I am saying.

Baron

flyingP
09-11-2005, 11:04 PM
Ah, on yer bike...

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Um, well, I ended up modeling a bit more anyway, hard to resist... update below:



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wuss :)

and actually until it get's final import clearance I can't

SuperXCM
09-11-2005, 11:13 PM
Well done James, like this new update..... keep going!! :thumbsup:
for sure it will be a very spectacular pictures!!

(Amazing that the windows stay intact :eek: )

ChristianHammer
09-11-2005, 11:33 PM
Dang... That is looking REALLY good... The wreckage looks very believeable in a stylized sense of course.

Would the nose cone be this intact? In a way it looks like it fell straight down, atleast around the cockpit...

Micro26
09-11-2005, 11:47 PM
Great modeling so far, cant wait for more:thumbsup:

detached
09-12-2005, 12:03 AM
Wow, very cool model. You dont see wrecked objects very much. Its nice to see a demolished model once in a while.

Brian

Yongkiat
09-12-2005, 02:19 AM
The wreckage's looking very powerful. I think the surface may be a bit too shiny but just my preference :)

joshcxa
09-12-2005, 03:35 AM
excellent job with the dents and bent panels ad stuff. Looking very believeable so far.

alancamara
09-12-2005, 03:41 AM
It's very good, dude. congratulations by your work. :applause:

Continuumx
09-12-2005, 04:51 AM
I like the progress JamesMK, very nice beatup work on the plane!

Ryan_M_Mccalla
09-12-2005, 05:05 AM
Love your idea... conjures up some nice imagery just thinking about it.. huge propellar blades warping and snapping, flying out of their housings to become embedded into the sides of buildings...
*whipes drool from keyboard*
wait what was i... I right..
looks really good sofar and im loving the look of your beatup plane, especially the frayed look of the side of it.... its as if it has been caught by a building edge, which has dug in and torn its side litterely wide open.. the buckled frame work causing its body to twist...
my only comment is to maybe add dirt and grit to the texturing of the plabe perhaps have paint scratch's across certain areas from debris coliding with the plane?
am luving it sofar james... and already looking forward to your finished entry in 3 months time...

nemirc
09-12-2005, 05:31 AM
That is some strong glass... :eek:

rattlesnake
09-12-2005, 05:51 AM
really amazing modeling man!, youre really rocking! keep going:bounce::bounce::bowdown:

Lemog
09-12-2005, 05:58 AM
It's already really very impressive, we feels well the slip on the muzzle, you begin already a beautiful work as usually, cheers :thumbsup:

Gunilla
09-12-2005, 05:59 AM
Yes - continually stunning modeling job here!
Since there seem to be some distress around the unbreakable windshields - perhaps you could have some broken glass from the cars? It could be a way of having nice shatters swirling around while still having the plane windows intact. I'm sure you figure out a way to satisfy the spectacors needs for destruction :scream:

fgcity
09-12-2005, 07:27 AM
I look at that plane and i think of all the crashes that have been happening around the world lately and that is the best crash i have seen so far :)

Nice work and good luck tou you.

xric7
09-12-2005, 08:10 AM
excellent modeling.great work so far.
cheers.:thumbsup: :buttrock:

DimitrisLiatsos
09-12-2005, 09:24 AM
Yup..that is wabbit powa :bounce:


Excellent modeling and wrecking :) .

JamesMK
09-12-2005, 09:37 AM
Ooookay - I'm sorry I don't have time for individual replies right now (still busy with that other gig... which is of course due to the fact that I didn't finish it up yesterday, but instead worked on this wreck :blush: )

Anyways, in short:

- Yes, there is an apparent lack of scratches and surface damage (except for large scale dents and so on), but this is because I haven't done any texturing yet, it's just my quickie clean metal shader on this. So, lots of stuff to be done by painting bitmaps here: scratches, peeled paint, soot and burnmarks - later on

- Glass and debris and so forth - indeed, I'll add tons of flying junk in the air (including shattered glass :D ) But most of that will not happen until I start compositing really... I'll render heaps of layers with smoke, debris and various kinds of shrapnel and build it up step by step - later on

- And, I got a cool idea that will give the final image some more "edge" (hopefully)... because, well, a cargo jet needs cargo, right? So what if the payload in this particular case was...... golf balls? :D Mmmm... golden gate filled with thousands of bouncing golf balls in a burning, smoking inferno of airplane carnage and upside-down cars and skidmarks.... mmm... donuts....

Later!




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JamesMK
09-12-2005, 11:35 PM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126568123_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126568123_large.jpg)

[bigger image than usual, so make sure to click it to get the full-res version]

Added more stuff (including almost-subliminal things like windshield wipers :)

As far as modeling goes, the cockpit and mid-section is pretty much done - moving on to the tail and wings next.

beelow
09-12-2005, 11:37 PM
Damn that is hot, I am definitely keeping an eye on this one, good luck to ya holla!:thumbsup:

greentek
09-13-2005, 12:46 AM
Great stuff James!! :thumbsup:

The best of luck and cheers,
Paul.

JCGA
09-13-2005, 12:53 AM
That latest render looks great man. It conveys a sense of motion even though there aren't any motion blur. Will you render it as a frame out of an animation with motion blur in the end or will it be like a photo taken with a really fast shutter speed?

pipiritruiqui
09-13-2005, 01:03 AM
:applause:

_ exelente work, very good graphical expression.
Very good luck

nemirc
09-13-2005, 03:39 AM
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126568123_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/11/7798/7798_1126568123_large.jpg)

[bigger image than usual, so make sure to click it to get the full-res version]

Added more stuff (including almost-subliminal things like windshield wipers :)

As far as modeling goes, the cockpit and mid-section is pretty much done - moving on to the tail and wings next.

Ouch! :eek:

I am really liking this one. How do you make the dents and all that look so natural? :drool:

flyingP
09-13-2005, 03:44 AM
Added more stuff (including almost-subliminal things like windshield wipers :)

how's about a few bug splatters on the glass then if you won't let them shatter ? :D

ziriguidum
09-13-2005, 04:50 AM
whoa! nice concept and modelling.

ace4016
09-13-2005, 05:06 AM
Ouch! :eek:

I am really liking this one. How do you make the dents and all that look so natural? :drool:

hehe, you should have seen my first big model project of a McLarern F1 LM (dents galore!), I guess he is just modeling like a noob:D .

willisje
09-13-2005, 05:09 AM
:eek: OMG!:eek: The model of the broken plane is spectacular in itself! I can't wait to see the end result.:bounce:

icedeyes
09-13-2005, 09:10 AM
Very very nice James... great model... when i saw the thumbnail i thought it was a 2d image... just great...

DaddyMack
09-13-2005, 09:37 AM
I'm feelin that;)

Most inspiring James, I'm hooked:thumbsup: Good luck

JamesMK
09-13-2005, 09:40 AM
beelow, greentek, ziriguidum, pipiritruiqui - Thanks, glad ya like it

CarlWahl - I'm still slightly undecided about how to do with the motion blur. According to what I see in my head, this would be shot by a pro photographer who just happens to bump into this situation on his way to work... so he slams the breaks, grabs his Hasselblad cam from his bag, gets out of the car and just snaps as many pictures he can. It's rather bright daylight, so he would be using a fast shutter.... really fast moving things like cars flipping over and flying debris will probably get a bit of vector motion blur... the plane itself, and the heavier parts of it, will not move very fast, so the blur would be less pronounced... but I'll probably put some on it there too, but very subtle.... so anyways, I'll have to give everything some basic animation data to pull it off with the desired result

nemirc - The dents are pretty easy to do, just a bit time-consuming... but I basically use mesh brushing and good ol' vertex pulling, combined with some strategic phong breaking where the metal would fold a lot...

flyingP - Bug splatter has been added to the official to-do list :D

ace4016 - Waahaa! Yep, some noobish modeling helps too. No, seriously, it's important here... I'd like to think of it as "sketchy" modeling: it doesn't really matter if the mesh gets a bit messy... it's even a good thing in this case.

willisje, icedeyes, DaddyMack - Very glad to hear this :)

Nomad
09-13-2005, 10:30 AM
Impressive :eek: especially that I`m taking a plane on wenesday lol!

I`m not sure about the cone inside the engine, it`s not spiked as I know... more round on most of the planes.

Great work :thumbsup:

JamesMK
09-13-2005, 10:36 AM
Impressive :eek: especially that I`m taking a plane on wenesday lol!
Hehe *evil snicker* :twisted:

I`m not sure about the cone inside the engine, it`s not spiked as I know... more round on most of the planes.
That's what I thought too, but the Antonov engines really have these spikey engine hubs:

http://web.telia.com/~u48040664/spectacular/spikey_antonov.jpg

That doesn't prevent me from rounding it anyway of course... I'll try that for tonight's modeling session and see which type looks better. Thanks a lot for your input :thumbsup:

MacAndre
09-13-2005, 11:21 AM
yes, very spatacular :thumbsup: looking very realistic to me. great job... :cool:

AIR
09-13-2005, 11:33 AM
I hate you,,and your concept dude.
Kidding,awsome stuff here.:thumbsup:

Nomad
09-13-2005, 11:36 AM
Ah those russians, they always do something uncommon :D

The spike looks like a rocketluncher with those holes haha


About my flight... I hope it will not be an Antonov lol :eek:

azaghot
09-13-2005, 11:39 AM
wow great idea..and excellent modelling

Rotab3D
09-13-2005, 11:54 AM
hey james ... well man ur concept is truly spectacular ... i like it so much .
and the way u model is really great .. as some ppl said it's really dynamic :applause:
good luck :)

sonicstrawbery
09-13-2005, 12:20 PM
Wow ! That's a really nice modeling so far man !

This crashed plane looks so real so far :eek:, i can't wait to see more updates !

Keep rocking !

alexichabane
09-13-2005, 12:30 PM
freak'n awesome dude! Your crashing plane model is just terrific, realistic, detailed and exciting. You really captured the twising and buckeling of the metal. I can't wait to see it with flying debris and smoke and fire effects. Great stuff so far. Alexi

collings
09-13-2005, 01:12 PM
yeah really realistic, great amount of details!
Awesome job so far :scream:
this picture will be awesome for sure :twisted:

DimitrisLiatsos
09-13-2005, 01:16 PM
yeah really realistic, great amount of details!
Awesome job so far :scream:
this picture will be awesome for sure :twisted:

Precisly my thoughts too...i have a hunch that this will be just Super even though it's very early :thumbsup: :bounce: :thumbsup:

gpepper
09-13-2005, 01:19 PM
Nice stuff ! :bounce: :applause:

elnady
09-13-2005, 01:29 PM
Nice idea keep it up

Gunilla
09-13-2005, 01:35 PM
The golf ball idea is a real killer, literally - wouldn't want to come near when they all go berzerk on that bridge. Gory :thumbsup:

SergioSantos
09-13-2005, 01:41 PM
your model is excellent.

and you did it very quickly!