RobertoOrtiz
08-26-2005, 07:16 PM
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/
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mummey
08-26-2005, 07:38 PM
"Look! Its Jack Thompson! He'll save us from those EEE-VIL video games!" :twisted:
Yourworstnightmare
08-26-2005, 07:53 PM
Again with the bullshit, i've been playing violent games all my life and i've never killed anyone, howcome we don't hear about someone killing 3 people after playing a game in Europe, because this country is full of idiots. I also suggest that the politicians who have nothing better to do than harras video games and their creators go piss off.
toonman
08-26-2005, 08:05 PM
As long as the dead horse still has money inside, oportunists will continue to kick it until there is no more (something I don't see happening anytime soon in the US).
eMPeck
08-26-2005, 08:13 PM
Am I the only one who things that Rockstars each game is very annoying? I've tried to play most of them, and I don't like even one. And I don't like their marketing too: shock as much people as they can.
Strangest thing it that works quite well :shrug:
Strangest thing it that works quite well :shrug:
noisewar
08-26-2005, 08:16 PM
As long as the dead horse still has money inside, oportunists will continue to kick it until there is no more (something I don't see happening anytime soon in the US).
Well put, may I add so long as it's manure smells good to the public as well, because next to money, political self-importance is a prime motivator as well.
Well put, may I add so long as it's manure smells good to the public as well, because next to money, political self-importance is a prime motivator as well.
vfx fan
08-26-2005, 08:23 PM
Seriously, when was the last time someone killed people because of a video game? I've quite honestly never heard of any such thing.
If anything, the violence young people contribute to today's society could be attributed to the fact that spanking children has become a form of child abuse. This is the reason kids are bad in school, which is the reason they don't learn anything, which is the reason that kids are stupid (which means they're easy to control ;) ).
Lazy parents cause rotten kids. The "M" label is there for a reason!
If anything, the violence young people contribute to today's society could be attributed to the fact that spanking children has become a form of child abuse. This is the reason kids are bad in school, which is the reason they don't learn anything, which is the reason that kids are stupid (which means they're easy to control ;) ).
Lazy parents cause rotten kids. The "M" label is there for a reason!
t-toe
08-26-2005, 08:54 PM
wow, anyone who thinks Fox News is the only biased news station, think again... that CNN drivel was the most one-sided news "story" I've ever heard. they quoted one person who disagreed with the lawsuit, and it was Rockstar itself. why, oh why can't the media do what it set out to do from the beginning and just be a reporter of the news without putting a spin on everything we hear from them?
chrisWhite
08-26-2005, 09:13 PM
Clinton News Network biased? For shame :p
Would the media please move on, there's nothing to see here, I'm sure you can find something juicy in FEAR or something...at least change the topic from Rockstar. *sigh*
Would the media please move on, there's nothing to see here, I'm sure you can find something juicy in FEAR or something...at least change the topic from Rockstar. *sigh*
Boone
08-26-2005, 10:40 PM
Brothers! Sisters! :scream:
We must stand against this hell-sent filth that Rockstar have sent us! Our Children are at stake for the love of God!
THIS GAME IS EVIL! :sad:
We must stand against this hell-sent filth that Rockstar have sent us! Our Children are at stake for the love of God!
THIS GAME IS EVIL! :sad:
percydaman
08-26-2005, 10:41 PM
foxnews biased?? but...but.... they say their fair and balanced............ ......:rolleyes:
Signal2Noise
08-26-2005, 10:42 PM
I hope there's a hot coffee mod for it! :drool:
Boone
08-26-2005, 10:53 PM
Here in Blighty we don't have Foxnews... :D
JMcWilliams
08-26-2005, 11:00 PM
Jack Thompsons face annoys me.
Fides
08-26-2005, 11:30 PM
Seriously, when was the last time someone killed people because of a video game? I've quite honestly never heard of any such thing.
Yeah, me neither. And the report said nothing like that as well. Or maybe you got that idea from 'yourworstnightmare'. Try actually watching the video.
Brothers! Sisters! :scream:
We must stand against this hell-sent filth that Rockstar have sent us! Our Children are at stake for the love of God!
THIS GAME IS EVIL! :sad:
Nor was religion mentioned. I find it amusing that all you clowns are complaining of biased, innacurate reporting and then turn around and do the exact same thing. :thumbsup:
The only complaint I would have is that the reporter states that 'studies have show that violent video games increase aggressiveness in teens, and then reference the APA study that was posted in CGTalk last week. That study said children, not teens.
Yeah, me neither. And the report said nothing like that as well. Or maybe you got that idea from 'yourworstnightmare'. Try actually watching the video.
Brothers! Sisters! :scream:
We must stand against this hell-sent filth that Rockstar have sent us! Our Children are at stake for the love of God!
THIS GAME IS EVIL! :sad:
Nor was religion mentioned. I find it amusing that all you clowns are complaining of biased, innacurate reporting and then turn around and do the exact same thing. :thumbsup:
The only complaint I would have is that the reporter states that 'studies have show that violent video games increase aggressiveness in teens, and then reference the APA study that was posted in CGTalk last week. That study said children, not teens.
tester1111
08-26-2005, 11:32 PM
How safe would you feel if a teen played GTA3 seven days straight non stop and then got behind the wheel of a car?
Renzsu
08-26-2005, 11:45 PM
Yesss... videogames are bad, evil I tell ya! Yet we don't hear about nasty old Hollywood movies or violent tv series..
I seriously believe anybody trying to stur up controversy about violent videogames is doing it because they need publicity or money..
Violence from angry teenagers... it's all from bad parenting and lousy ethics..
I don't like violent videogames (I'd rather spend my time in less harsh environments, real life is tough enough as it is), but the negative press that they keep getting is way too easy imho. How come we don't hear a more well opinionated voice from the public and how come we keep those politicians waste valuable tax money and time on petty stuff like this??? Sometimes I just hate the press......
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I seriously believe anybody trying to stur up controversy about violent videogames is doing it because they need publicity or money..
Violence from angry teenagers... it's all from bad parenting and lousy ethics..
I don't like violent videogames (I'd rather spend my time in less harsh environments, real life is tough enough as it is), but the negative press that they keep getting is way too easy imho. How come we don't hear a more well opinionated voice from the public and how come we keep those politicians waste valuable tax money and time on petty stuff like this??? Sometimes I just hate the press......
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Renzsu
08-26-2005, 11:48 PM
How safe would you feel if a teen played GTA3 seven days straight non stop and then got behind the wheel of a car?
Oh come one.. how safe would you feel if a teen would spend seven days straight partying during spring brake and then would get behind the wheel of a car??
Seriously, aren't there more urgent matters to worry about? High ratio of gun ownership???? Young age of being able to get a drivers license??? Lack of social security???
People who start to worry about the violence involved in videogames should reconsider seriously if they have their priorities straight.
Oh come one.. how safe would you feel if a teen would spend seven days straight partying during spring brake and then would get behind the wheel of a car??
Seriously, aren't there more urgent matters to worry about? High ratio of gun ownership???? Young age of being able to get a drivers license??? Lack of social security???
People who start to worry about the violence involved in videogames should reconsider seriously if they have their priorities straight.
percydaman
08-26-2005, 11:57 PM
How safe would you feel if a teen played GTA3 seven days straight non stop and then got behind the wheel of a car?
about as safe if a teen watched care bears for 7 days straight and got behind a wheel... in other words, i could care less... they're all unsafe anyways....hahaha
about as safe if a teen watched care bears for 7 days straight and got behind a wheel... in other words, i could care less... they're all unsafe anyways....hahaha
tester1111
08-27-2005, 12:22 AM
Oh come one.. how safe would you feel if a teen would spend seven days straight partying during spring brake and then would get behind the wheel of a car??
Seriously, aren't there more urgent matters to worry about? High ratio of gun ownership???? Young age of being able to get a drivers license??? Lack of social security???
People who start to worry about the violence involved in videogames should reconsider seriously if they have their priorities straight.
The right to own and use guns is in the US contitution. All these activists can do is encourage and disencourage people's motives for using them. Social security? What parts of the world have social security?
Seriously, aren't there more urgent matters to worry about? High ratio of gun ownership???? Young age of being able to get a drivers license??? Lack of social security???
People who start to worry about the violence involved in videogames should reconsider seriously if they have their priorities straight.
The right to own and use guns is in the US contitution. All these activists can do is encourage and disencourage people's motives for using them. Social security? What parts of the world have social security?
animateddave
08-27-2005, 12:29 AM
Media blaming games for violence? Same shit different week. CNN biased? Fox news biased? Well I don't know how we went from bully to this but all news networks are biased. Whatever gets the most ratings is what they'll show.
jbo
08-27-2005, 12:46 AM
Nor was religion mentioned. I find it amusing that all you clowns are complaining of biased, innacurate reporting and then turn around and do the exact same thing. :thumbsup:
i don't think that a person making a joke on an internet forum should be expected to have the same objectivity as a major news network. i would hardly call what any of us are doing here "reporting" (though i guess the same could be said for cnn).
i don't think that a person making a joke on an internet forum should be expected to have the same objectivity as a major news network. i would hardly call what any of us are doing here "reporting" (though i guess the same could be said for cnn).
t-toe
08-27-2005, 04:41 AM
...Whatever gets the most ratings is what they'll show.
which is precisely why I don't watch the news any more. the last time I tried to watch news on TV, it was CNN. and Wolf Blitzer was trying so hard to spin that last computer worm that was going around infecting Windows 2000 machines (mostly in news media's offices, I might add) into the biggest computer fiasco since Y2K. and the techno-geeks (I'm sorry... "computer experts") he had as guests on the show kept pointing to statistics about how the worm only infected Windows 2000 machines, and a majority of PC's these days were running WinXP, and blah, blah, blah.
TV news sucks.
which is precisely why I don't watch the news any more. the last time I tried to watch news on TV, it was CNN. and Wolf Blitzer was trying so hard to spin that last computer worm that was going around infecting Windows 2000 machines (mostly in news media's offices, I might add) into the biggest computer fiasco since Y2K. and the techno-geeks (I'm sorry... "computer experts") he had as guests on the show kept pointing to statistics about how the worm only infected Windows 2000 machines, and a majority of PC's these days were running WinXP, and blah, blah, blah.
TV news sucks.
opus13
08-27-2005, 05:15 AM
Again with the bullshit, i've been playing violent games all my life a…
Seriously, when was the last time someone killed …
Yesss... videogames are bad…
Media blaming games for violence? Same shit different week.
etc etc etc..
Shut the f*ck up already.
I think everyone that participates in these threads regurgitating the same line of "oh video games do nothing, its just hoopla and scaremongering" ought to pull their heads out of their asses and actually do less than 5 minutes of research before shitting their brains on to these forums.
Yeah, a part of the problem with videogames and media saturation is just a matter of poor parenting, but overall: do you all actually think that all of this is made up? Do you really think that it’s entirely irrelevant? Do you think that it’s a bunch of conservatives rallying behind some flag? Do you know where all of these people that are anti-videogames are coming from?
They are your next-door neighbors and your average joe from the PTA. They are sick of seeing their kids smack the shit out of each other thinking they are power rangers, and are scared of what the future holds for the majority of kids that can’t tell fantasy from reality. They are scared of the better-living-through-pharmacology school system and scared of the next media blitz phenomenon that they are going to be saturated by “Anal fisting llamas from hell” or “Nazi storm troopers of Jesus” or whatever you can fit on an action figure box.
Children re-enacting viewed violence is not new. It’s older than video games, it’s older than GTA, and it’s older than television and film put together. The median line of ‘acceptable violence’ is skyrocketing, and there’s more than a few people that are afraid of what it will mean to future generations.
Check out some info on Albert Bandera and his Bobo doll experiments. They have stood the test of time as being conclusive research, and have some hideously reproducible results.
Here’s a link to get you started: http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Bandura/bobo.htm
Take 7 minutes to read the article, and then respond.
Seriously, when was the last time someone killed …
Yesss... videogames are bad…
Media blaming games for violence? Same shit different week.
etc etc etc..
Shut the f*ck up already.
I think everyone that participates in these threads regurgitating the same line of "oh video games do nothing, its just hoopla and scaremongering" ought to pull their heads out of their asses and actually do less than 5 minutes of research before shitting their brains on to these forums.
Yeah, a part of the problem with videogames and media saturation is just a matter of poor parenting, but overall: do you all actually think that all of this is made up? Do you really think that it’s entirely irrelevant? Do you think that it’s a bunch of conservatives rallying behind some flag? Do you know where all of these people that are anti-videogames are coming from?
They are your next-door neighbors and your average joe from the PTA. They are sick of seeing their kids smack the shit out of each other thinking they are power rangers, and are scared of what the future holds for the majority of kids that can’t tell fantasy from reality. They are scared of the better-living-through-pharmacology school system and scared of the next media blitz phenomenon that they are going to be saturated by “Anal fisting llamas from hell” or “Nazi storm troopers of Jesus” or whatever you can fit on an action figure box.
Children re-enacting viewed violence is not new. It’s older than video games, it’s older than GTA, and it’s older than television and film put together. The median line of ‘acceptable violence’ is skyrocketing, and there’s more than a few people that are afraid of what it will mean to future generations.
Check out some info on Albert Bandera and his Bobo doll experiments. They have stood the test of time as being conclusive research, and have some hideously reproducible results.
Here’s a link to get you started: http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Bandura/bobo.htm
Take 7 minutes to read the article, and then respond.
Nathellion
08-27-2005, 06:28 AM
Um, those kids are only about 3-5.75 years old. Children at that age are likely much more susceptible to the influence of an aggressive model then children of the average age group who are likely to be playing this game.
You wouldn't claim that a "well-adjusted" 13 year old is as likely to run around in circles cursing at the top of his lungs after viewing a vulgar movie as a 4 year old is to do so (I use this as an example because my brothers and I did this after watching such a movie when we were about 3-5ish :)).
So I don't think that study really validates your point.
The GTA franchise has sold well over 10,000,000 copies of it's latest iterations. So that makes mllions and millions of people who have played at least one of the GTA games. And out of all those people, the 6-7 who came up with the brilliant idea to re-enact the murder featured therein supposedly represents a correlation?
Please. Madmen were madmen before movies and videogames could so readily be used as scapegoats.
And homicide rates have actually receded a good deal since the first wave of violent video games came around:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/hmrt.htm#longterm
You wouldn't claim that a "well-adjusted" 13 year old is as likely to run around in circles cursing at the top of his lungs after viewing a vulgar movie as a 4 year old is to do so (I use this as an example because my brothers and I did this after watching such a movie when we were about 3-5ish :)).
So I don't think that study really validates your point.
The GTA franchise has sold well over 10,000,000 copies of it's latest iterations. So that makes mllions and millions of people who have played at least one of the GTA games. And out of all those people, the 6-7 who came up with the brilliant idea to re-enact the murder featured therein supposedly represents a correlation?
Please. Madmen were madmen before movies and videogames could so readily be used as scapegoats.
And homicide rates have actually receded a good deal since the first wave of violent video games came around:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/hmrt.htm#longterm
archerx
08-27-2005, 06:48 AM
etc etc etc..
Shut the f*ck up already.
I think everyone that participates in these threads regurgitating the same line of "oh video games do nothing, its just hoopla and scaremongering" ought to pull their heads out of their asses and actually do less than 5 minutes of research before shitting their brains on to these forums.
... bla bla bla
Take 7 minutes to read the article, and then respond.
oh right, so actual info from kids that grew up on games means nothing ? i've been playing doom since i was 6 or 7, and i moved on to bigger more violent games as i grew up and so did my friends, did we ever try to recreate any of those violent scenes ? no not really, i don't see your point, its only the usa that has a problem with these games. and i think movies do way more "damage" since its "photoreal". so should we ban movies now ? what about tv shows ? i can watch people getting shot in the head on prime time tv shows, nope but thats ok since its not a game and it look much more real than any game.
of course there are a few dumbass kids that would try and recreate stuff, but do we all have to suffer because of them ? (and they are few)
this all comes down to parents and the school, they taught me and my friends what was right and what was wrong at a young age, so far i haven't gone on a mass murdering spree yet and neither have my friends that i used to play mortal kombat with when i was in grade 5.
another thing, if games really made people violent don't you think there would be more cases ? i mean there are millions and millions of gamers out there, shouldn't they be violent blood crazy monsters ? of wait they're not.....
last note, whos going to give a 7 year old a game made for 18 and up ? if a parent gives or lets their child play that game its like letting him watch a violent movie. so its really up to the parents, not the games.
Shut the f*ck up already.
I think everyone that participates in these threads regurgitating the same line of "oh video games do nothing, its just hoopla and scaremongering" ought to pull their heads out of their asses and actually do less than 5 minutes of research before shitting their brains on to these forums.
... bla bla bla
Take 7 minutes to read the article, and then respond.
oh right, so actual info from kids that grew up on games means nothing ? i've been playing doom since i was 6 or 7, and i moved on to bigger more violent games as i grew up and so did my friends, did we ever try to recreate any of those violent scenes ? no not really, i don't see your point, its only the usa that has a problem with these games. and i think movies do way more "damage" since its "photoreal". so should we ban movies now ? what about tv shows ? i can watch people getting shot in the head on prime time tv shows, nope but thats ok since its not a game and it look much more real than any game.
of course there are a few dumbass kids that would try and recreate stuff, but do we all have to suffer because of them ? (and they are few)
this all comes down to parents and the school, they taught me and my friends what was right and what was wrong at a young age, so far i haven't gone on a mass murdering spree yet and neither have my friends that i used to play mortal kombat with when i was in grade 5.
another thing, if games really made people violent don't you think there would be more cases ? i mean there are millions and millions of gamers out there, shouldn't they be violent blood crazy monsters ? of wait they're not.....
last note, whos going to give a 7 year old a game made for 18 and up ? if a parent gives or lets their child play that game its like letting him watch a violent movie. so its really up to the parents, not the games.
mummey
08-27-2005, 07:23 AM
What I find funny is: People actually watch cable news. Its all commentary. There's very little news in it.
(...)
08-27-2005, 08:38 AM
They are your next-door neighbors and your average joe from the PTA. They are sick of seeing their kids smack the shit out of each other thinking they are power rangers
Recent studies have shown that children were violent little shits long before the invention of television and video games. ;)
But the ones I feel most sorry for are the games developers. Hundreds of twenty-somethings, just sitting there playing these dangerous video games, day in day out, soaking up the evilness of their own product. Psychopathic ticking time-bombs, the lot of them! :D
Recent studies have shown that children were violent little shits long before the invention of television and video games. ;)
But the ones I feel most sorry for are the games developers. Hundreds of twenty-somethings, just sitting there playing these dangerous video games, day in day out, soaking up the evilness of their own product. Psychopathic ticking time-bombs, the lot of them! :D
Boone
08-27-2005, 08:53 AM
Re: Fides.
Brothers! Sisters! :wise:
We must stand against this hell-sent "Fides" that the devil himself have sent us! Our Children are at stake for the love of God! :scream:
THIS PERSON IS EVIL! :D
Brothers! Sisters! :wise:
We must stand against this hell-sent "Fides" that the devil himself have sent us! Our Children are at stake for the love of God! :scream:
THIS PERSON IS EVIL! :D
cgtalkiest
08-27-2005, 10:46 AM
etc etc etc..
Shut the f*ck up already.
I think everyone that participates in these threads regurgitating the same line of "oh video games do nothing, its just hoopla and scaremongering" ought to pull their heads out of their asses and actually do less than 5 minutes of research before shitting their brains on to these forums.
Yeah, a part of the problem with videogames and media saturation is just a matter of poor parenting, but overall: do you all actually think that all of this is made up? Do you really think that it’s entirely irrelevant? Do you think that it’s a bunch of conservatives rallying behind some flag? Do you know where all of these people that are anti-videogames are coming from?
They are your next-door neighbors and your average joe from the PTA. They are sick of seeing their kids smack the shit out of each other thinking they are power rangers, and are scared of what the future holds for the majority of kids that can’t tell fantasy from reality. They are scared of the better-living-through-pharmacology school system and scared of the next media blitz phenomenon that they are going to be saturated by “Anal fisting llamas from hell” or “Nazi storm troopers of Jesus” or whatever you can fit on an action figure box.
Children re-enacting viewed violence is not new. It’s older than video games, it’s older than GTA, and it’s older than television and film put together. The median line of ‘acceptable violence’ is skyrocketing, and there’s more than a few people that are afraid of what it will mean to future generations.
Check out some info on Albert Bandera and his Bobo doll experiments. They have stood the test of time as being conclusive research, and have some hideously reproducible results.
Here’s a link to get you started: http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Bandura/bobo.htm
Take 7 minutes to read the article, and then respond.
hahahahahahahahaha!!!
"Yeah, a part of the problem with videogames and media saturation is just a matter of poor parenting, but overall: do you all actually think that all of this is made up? Do you really think that it’s entirely irrelevant? Do you think that it’s a bunch of conservatives rallying behind some flag? Do you know where all of these people that are anti-videogames are coming from?"
YES!! YES YES AND NO...
damn u got some attitude... i cant believe there is someone on these forums who thinks computer games can be held responsible for anything our kids do... PARENTS PARENTS PARENTS....
your talking about little kids playing violent games.. they shouldnt be allowed ot play violent games... would u let them go see an 18 movie? hell no....
dont try and push the blame around to a media that you have no idea about... just because it feels easy... just because you have no place to go, and just because you have little sense of responsibility....
Shut the f*ck up already.
I think everyone that participates in these threads regurgitating the same line of "oh video games do nothing, its just hoopla and scaremongering" ought to pull their heads out of their asses and actually do less than 5 minutes of research before shitting their brains on to these forums.
Yeah, a part of the problem with videogames and media saturation is just a matter of poor parenting, but overall: do you all actually think that all of this is made up? Do you really think that it’s entirely irrelevant? Do you think that it’s a bunch of conservatives rallying behind some flag? Do you know where all of these people that are anti-videogames are coming from?
They are your next-door neighbors and your average joe from the PTA. They are sick of seeing their kids smack the shit out of each other thinking they are power rangers, and are scared of what the future holds for the majority of kids that can’t tell fantasy from reality. They are scared of the better-living-through-pharmacology school system and scared of the next media blitz phenomenon that they are going to be saturated by “Anal fisting llamas from hell” or “Nazi storm troopers of Jesus” or whatever you can fit on an action figure box.
Children re-enacting viewed violence is not new. It’s older than video games, it’s older than GTA, and it’s older than television and film put together. The median line of ‘acceptable violence’ is skyrocketing, and there’s more than a few people that are afraid of what it will mean to future generations.
Check out some info on Albert Bandera and his Bobo doll experiments. They have stood the test of time as being conclusive research, and have some hideously reproducible results.
Here’s a link to get you started: http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Bandura/bobo.htm
Take 7 minutes to read the article, and then respond.
hahahahahahahahaha!!!
"Yeah, a part of the problem with videogames and media saturation is just a matter of poor parenting, but overall: do you all actually think that all of this is made up? Do you really think that it’s entirely irrelevant? Do you think that it’s a bunch of conservatives rallying behind some flag? Do you know where all of these people that are anti-videogames are coming from?"
YES!! YES YES AND NO...
damn u got some attitude... i cant believe there is someone on these forums who thinks computer games can be held responsible for anything our kids do... PARENTS PARENTS PARENTS....
your talking about little kids playing violent games.. they shouldnt be allowed ot play violent games... would u let them go see an 18 movie? hell no....
dont try and push the blame around to a media that you have no idea about... just because it feels easy... just because you have no place to go, and just because you have little sense of responsibility....
catamount
08-27-2005, 11:45 AM
Manhunt in the UK. someone did the plastic bag killing. but i consider the UK a state in america rather than part of the EU.
What about reality TV? thats far worse.
What about reality TV? thats far worse.
lightblitter22
08-27-2005, 01:23 PM
I think everyone that participates in these threads regurgitating the same line of "oh video games do nothing, its just hoopla and scaremongering" ought to pull their heads out of their asses and actually do less than 5 minutes of research before shitting their brains on to these forums.
So should you. The 'videogames make people violent' story has been repeated in the media maybe 10,000 times since I started playing games in the 80s. How many actual video game related murders have there been since then? Probably a lot less than people who have been killed in shark attacks or by lightning strikes even.
Also don't forget another thing in your "research". In the U.S. in particular parents medicate kids with anti-depressants and hyperactivity drugs even at very young ages. Anti-depressants like Paxil can and do make certain people violent, suicidal or even homicidal. Its just a matter of how each person's individual brain chemistry reacts to the medication. So can alcohol, so can drugs, so can bad parenting, abuse, neglect. With so many kids drinking, taking drugs or being on some sort of medication at ever younger ages, do you really think videogames are what you should worry about?
I'm all for having less shooter games, and more 'cerebral' gameplay experiences that involve less gratuitous violence. But this sounds like scaremongering to me.
So should you. The 'videogames make people violent' story has been repeated in the media maybe 10,000 times since I started playing games in the 80s. How many actual video game related murders have there been since then? Probably a lot less than people who have been killed in shark attacks or by lightning strikes even.
Also don't forget another thing in your "research". In the U.S. in particular parents medicate kids with anti-depressants and hyperactivity drugs even at very young ages. Anti-depressants like Paxil can and do make certain people violent, suicidal or even homicidal. Its just a matter of how each person's individual brain chemistry reacts to the medication. So can alcohol, so can drugs, so can bad parenting, abuse, neglect. With so many kids drinking, taking drugs or being on some sort of medication at ever younger ages, do you really think videogames are what you should worry about?
I'm all for having less shooter games, and more 'cerebral' gameplay experiences that involve less gratuitous violence. But this sounds like scaremongering to me.
lovisx
08-27-2005, 02:05 PM
my problem,
everyone says this is a non issue because violance and hate are mainstream and therefore unsolvable and totally acceptable. Problem with this philosiphy is where to draw the line. If more and more violance becomes main stream and common place, then it becomes more and more acceptable. Hence the issue.
everyone says video games are less harmless then other mediums because it isn't realistic. What video games have that is different then other mediums, and totally unique, is the ability to participate and initiate violant acts that would be illegal if they were done outside of the video game enviroment. Perhaps a video game can teach someone that they actually like to kill people, where as they wouldn't have been able to simulate what it would be like otherwise. I'll admit that I pulled that out of my ass, but I'm just thinking implications.
Better to think about what new mediums can do and their implications rather then let everything slide, like we've done with the enviroment.
Hence I believe video games are the current fad argument and should be. Just like being able to connect things to your brain and control stuff directly with your brain will be an issue in the future. I think video games are more of an issue now because they are becoming increasingly realistic. When video games actually let you put a gun to someone's head while they beg and plead for their lives, they'll become even more of an issue. When you can knife someone and see them flinch in pain while you torture them, it will become more of an issue. When the guts and blood become more realistic it will become more of an issue. When the killing becomes more cold blooded it will be more of an issue.
so those who dismiss violance in video games are permitting the exploration of more intense and interactive forms of violance in video game media.
so lets see what new and creative ways you guys can come up with to say that I'm just over reacting and a helpless puritan. but I really only expect the, its normal and we're not messed up, even in history it was normal, and history isn't messed up (cough) arguments.
everyone says this is a non issue because violance and hate are mainstream and therefore unsolvable and totally acceptable. Problem with this philosiphy is where to draw the line. If more and more violance becomes main stream and common place, then it becomes more and more acceptable. Hence the issue.
everyone says video games are less harmless then other mediums because it isn't realistic. What video games have that is different then other mediums, and totally unique, is the ability to participate and initiate violant acts that would be illegal if they were done outside of the video game enviroment. Perhaps a video game can teach someone that they actually like to kill people, where as they wouldn't have been able to simulate what it would be like otherwise. I'll admit that I pulled that out of my ass, but I'm just thinking implications.
Better to think about what new mediums can do and their implications rather then let everything slide, like we've done with the enviroment.
Hence I believe video games are the current fad argument and should be. Just like being able to connect things to your brain and control stuff directly with your brain will be an issue in the future. I think video games are more of an issue now because they are becoming increasingly realistic. When video games actually let you put a gun to someone's head while they beg and plead for their lives, they'll become even more of an issue. When you can knife someone and see them flinch in pain while you torture them, it will become more of an issue. When the guts and blood become more realistic it will become more of an issue. When the killing becomes more cold blooded it will be more of an issue.
so those who dismiss violance in video games are permitting the exploration of more intense and interactive forms of violance in video game media.
so lets see what new and creative ways you guys can come up with to say that I'm just over reacting and a helpless puritan. but I really only expect the, its normal and we're not messed up, even in history it was normal, and history isn't messed up (cough) arguments.
Boone
08-27-2005, 02:26 PM
Re: Schnappy.
The "UK" stands for "UNITED KINGDOM". Put THAT on your toast and eat it! :wip:
The "UK" stands for "UNITED KINGDOM". Put THAT on your toast and eat it! :wip:
cgtalkiest
08-27-2005, 02:36 PM
rockstar have got some messed up issues and its really starting to piss me off... i love the gta series, but im wondering now, if its pure luck that they managed to pull that one out...
they come out with crap ideas, like kill kill kill... brutality all the way... im starting to have enough... they have no creativity... they just choose the most cliché ideas brimming with contreversy, and go with it....
im wondering if they will have one more decent game.. i dont mean best selling, cos they all sell well due to the content... but i mean decent as in vice city classic style... i think it might have been a one off...
they come out with crap ideas, like kill kill kill... brutality all the way... im starting to have enough... they have no creativity... they just choose the most cliché ideas brimming with contreversy, and go with it....
im wondering if they will have one more decent game.. i dont mean best selling, cos they all sell well due to the content... but i mean decent as in vice city classic style... i think it might have been a one off...
flipnap
08-27-2005, 02:51 PM
everytime a thread like this comes up, its the same old. Half a crew starts going out of their way to make a mockery of it, and the other half spins diatribe about how it really causes problems. Fact is, we dont really know.If you can play GTA for four days straight and go to bed without a hitch, great for you. Thats doesnt mean it doesnt negatively affect someone else.For all of those who laugh and mock the possibility that someone can actually be swayed into a violent psychological act by a videogame, please put a link to your PHD so i can see your credentials. Is it a global cause of societal breakdown? No. I dont know what good discussing threads like this does, since its rarely a discussion - than it is a subjective sarcastic throwdown. And while we're at it, this thread is three pages long and no ones mentioned Janet Jacksons nipple yet, how inconsistent. Oh wait, i guess i just did..
Have at it...
Have at it...
tester1111
08-27-2005, 02:56 PM
And homicide rates have actually receded a good deal since the first wave of violent video games came around:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/hmrt.htm#longterm
Ya, nevermind technological advancements in information access, law enforcement, surveillance, forensics, security, and a much improved public awareness, because we're all soooooo intelligent and know "for a fact" violent videogames is inversely proportionate to homicide rates.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/hmrt.htm#longterm
Ya, nevermind technological advancements in information access, law enforcement, surveillance, forensics, security, and a much improved public awareness, because we're all soooooo intelligent and know "for a fact" violent videogames is inversely proportionate to homicide rates.
shuggie
08-27-2005, 03:02 PM
I think if there were a drive to remove the depiction of violence from any other medium, then there would be an uproar, its just inconceivable that it would now be tried in art, film, literature or even music (although occasionally its wheeled out as its seen as a medium for teenagers) and in all of those mediums, peices have affected me emotionally and mentally deeper than any computer game has ever even come close too.
The real stigma comes from the fact that gaming is still percieved as a childs passtime, but computer games are not a genre, they are a medium, played by a huge number of adults, and as such should be allowed to explore all the facets of the human condition that any other medium can.
Computer games are still in their infancy and generally arent sophisticated much beyond an objective based interation for which fighting/shooting reflex type gameplay is suited, but gaming will become broader and I look forward to the day when I have to make a moral decision in a computer game.
The real stigma comes from the fact that gaming is still percieved as a childs passtime, but computer games are not a genre, they are a medium, played by a huge number of adults, and as such should be allowed to explore all the facets of the human condition that any other medium can.
Computer games are still in their infancy and generally arent sophisticated much beyond an objective based interation for which fighting/shooting reflex type gameplay is suited, but gaming will become broader and I look forward to the day when I have to make a moral decision in a computer game.
Nathellion
08-27-2005, 03:16 PM
Ya, nevermind technological advancements in information access, law enforcement, surveillance, forensics, security, and a much improved public awareness, because we're all soooooo intelligent and know "for a fact" violent videogames is inversely proportionate to homicide rates.
I wasn't saying that at all. I was just pointing out the irony that violent video games have recieved such flak in a time when the murder ratio per unit of population is the lowest it's been in over 30 years.
I wasn't saying that at all. I was just pointing out the irony that violent video games have recieved such flak in a time when the murder ratio per unit of population is the lowest it's been in over 30 years.
sinnic
08-27-2005, 05:22 PM
VG Cats' Scott Ramsoomair vs. Jack Thompson
http://www.vgcats.com/jack.php
And some more:
http://gr.bolt.com/articles/jack/jack.htm
http://www.vgcats.com/jack.php
And some more:
http://gr.bolt.com/articles/jack/jack.htm
tester1111
08-28-2005, 08:49 AM
I wasn't saying that at all. I was just pointing out the irony that violent video games have recieved such flak in a time when the murder ratio per unit of population is the lowest it's been in over 30 years.
Given the increase in population density, more people are killed everyday in a closer proximity around you than ever had before.
Given the increase in population density, more people are killed everyday in a closer proximity around you than ever had before.
jbo
08-28-2005, 09:26 AM
i think it's funny that the people who are arguing that videogames make kids more aggressive seem to be far more aggressive than the people they are arguing with.
TheChosen1
08-28-2005, 09:26 AM
I think a lot of people are missing a huge point. These games aren't made for children. A mature rated title is age 17 and up just like an R rated movie. Kids should not be able to play these games any more than they would be allowed to watch an R rated movie or a porno. I think the major problem is a lot of these older people that are complaining did not grow up with games and they think that its kids stuff.
They can't grasp the concept that a normal adult person would enjoy video games because their generation did not grow up with them. So they see a violent game and are outraged because they percieve it as corrupting kids. But kids are not the target audience! The news networks can't understand this either.
They can't grasp the concept that a normal adult person would enjoy video games because their generation did not grow up with them. So they see a violent game and are outraged because they percieve it as corrupting kids. But kids are not the target audience! The news networks can't understand this either.
Dougs
08-28-2005, 11:53 AM
I watched the video, of coarse they had to bring up Columbine which they say is what the game Bully is all about more or less?
What video games did those two idiots play anyhow? Did it make them violent phsycopaths or isn't it really the fault of an over-pressurized society? I notice nobody ever mentions that life is just one big over blown rat race and we're all scurreying along trying to make ends meet and everything else that you can to stack on top of it.
If you don't think kids are affected by that then you don't know kids.
I personally think that all of this disharmonious political crap thats been going on for awhile now is really at the root of all of our problems.
These media and political people act like they've found the holy grail or something! They haven't found anything new, it's the same old crap with a new cover on it and that's all it is.
I'm sure you all know the phrase" Life's a Bitch Then You Die" some people consider it a joke. Some people actually don't. Just to make it clear I'm one of those people that doesn't My 2 cents Peace:)
What video games did those two idiots play anyhow? Did it make them violent phsycopaths or isn't it really the fault of an over-pressurized society? I notice nobody ever mentions that life is just one big over blown rat race and we're all scurreying along trying to make ends meet and everything else that you can to stack on top of it.
If you don't think kids are affected by that then you don't know kids.
I personally think that all of this disharmonious political crap thats been going on for awhile now is really at the root of all of our problems.
These media and political people act like they've found the holy grail or something! They haven't found anything new, it's the same old crap with a new cover on it and that's all it is.
I'm sure you all know the phrase" Life's a Bitch Then You Die" some people consider it a joke. Some people actually don't. Just to make it clear I'm one of those people that doesn't My 2 cents Peace:)
AmyScott-Murray
08-28-2005, 12:07 PM
Re: Schnappy.
The "UK" stands for "UNITED KINGDOM". Put THAT on your toast and eat it! :wip:
Hehehehe you tell 'em :)
If I found my daughter when she is 8 or 10 playing a GTA type thing, I would be upset - not because I believe it will turn her into a violent psychopath, but simply because I believe childhood should be a time for childlike things. Call me old-fashioned but there you go.
By extension, I believe that the minority of violent gamers who are under 18 are a problem - but for their parents to deal with, not the state. But if they are teenagers, it's probably already too late.
The "UK" stands for "UNITED KINGDOM". Put THAT on your toast and eat it! :wip:
Hehehehe you tell 'em :)
If I found my daughter when she is 8 or 10 playing a GTA type thing, I would be upset - not because I believe it will turn her into a violent psychopath, but simply because I believe childhood should be a time for childlike things. Call me old-fashioned but there you go.
By extension, I believe that the minority of violent gamers who are under 18 are a problem - but for their parents to deal with, not the state. But if they are teenagers, it's probably already too late.
PhilOsirus
08-28-2005, 03:46 PM
What minority of violent gamers? What about the minority of violent music listeners, or book readers?:p
Nathellion
08-28-2005, 03:46 PM
Given the increase in population density, more people are killed everyday in a closer proximity around you than ever had before.
OK, but this is because of population growth, not video games, rendering it kind of irrelevant to the discussion. :)
OK, but this is because of population growth, not video games, rendering it kind of irrelevant to the discussion. :)
capone_adam
08-28-2005, 03:52 PM
I really think Rockstar have it spot on with bully. If it was based on modern times I would have a issue with it but it looks like its based on old age bullying which is quite a fun topic for a game.
Missions...
-'Pea shoot Harry while he is at the locker'
Much better then 'Get Geek boy with a air gun and steal his weed'
-'Kiss Lucy behind the bikesheds'
Much better then 'Get Lucy pregnant'
-'Flush dave's head down toilet'
Much better then 'Knife Fat boy, record it on mobile phone and upload it on website'
Missions...
-'Pea shoot Harry while he is at the locker'
Much better then 'Get Geek boy with a air gun and steal his weed'
-'Kiss Lucy behind the bikesheds'
Much better then 'Get Lucy pregnant'
-'Flush dave's head down toilet'
Much better then 'Knife Fat boy, record it on mobile phone and upload it on website'
NickBFTD
08-28-2005, 05:35 PM
Here in Blighty we don't have Foxnews... :D
Actually we do SKY channel 531, we also get CNN.
Actually we do SKY channel 531, we also get CNN.
Cyborgguineapig
08-29-2005, 12:35 AM
...Because those doom pixelated graphics back in 1993 or whatever were ideal simulations for growing violent teens. :rolleyes:
PhantomDesign
08-29-2005, 06:44 AM
The reason it’s so difficult to have intellectual discussions with these people (loud-mouthed anti-video-game crowd) was illustrated very well by opus13. Not all of them are that way, but the ones who make a stink are. It’s quite sad, because no matter how much reasoning, facts, proof, or research you throw at them – they’re so inflamed and caught up in the emotional side of the argument they can’t see clearly.
Please note I’m NOT addressing his ‘argument’ (as if he addressed your arguments) in this post, but I thought I’d have some fun – just to illustrate who these people really are.
etc etc etc..
Shut the f*ck up already.
I think everyone that participates in these threads regurgitating the same line of "oh video games do nothing, its just hoopla and scaremongering" ought to pull their heads out of their asses and actually do less than 5 minutes of research before shitting their brains on to these forums.
[1] Lets see… He begins by arrogantly dismissing everyone's comments, followed by an aggressive (<-- note) personal attack. He hasn’t even began to discuss the issue yet & the discussion has degraded to an inflammatory, immature argument. I’d hope that we’d proceed to the discussion at this point, but our first paragraph simply attempts to place his opponents into an artificial box, claiming they have no intellectual capabilities or research.
Note: The ultimate irony so far being the side that displays excessively aggressive behavior.
Yeah, a part of the problem with videogames and media saturation is just a matter of poor parenting, but overall: do you all actually think that all of this is made up? Do you really think that it’s entirely irrelevant? Do you think that it’s a bunch of conservatives rallying behind some flag? Do you know where all of these people that are anti-videogames are coming from?
[2] These are supposed to be "rhetorical questions?" Of course we’re supposed to dismiss parent’s responsibility at the end of the paragraph.
Note: Oh, don’t forget to insert a quick jab at conservatives (could have easily been a jab at liberals as mindless people go either way)!
They are your next-door neighbors and your average joe from the PTA. They are sick of seeing their kids smack the shit out of each other thinking they are power rangers, and are scared of what the future holds for the majority of kids that can’t tell fantasy from reality. They are scared of the better-living-through-pharmacology school system and scared of the next media blitz phenomenon that they are going to be saturated by “Anal fisting llamas from hell” or “Nazi storm troopers of Jesus” or whatever you can fit on an action figure box.
[3] “All the good people are on my side! Everyone else is EVIL!” Anyways, what’s the point of that paragraph? Oh yea, I’m supposed to get emotional.
Children re-enacting viewed violence is not new. It’s older than video games, it’s older than GTA, and it’s older than television and film put together. The median line of ‘acceptable violence’ is skyrocketing, and there’s more than a few people that are afraid of what it will mean to future generations.
Check out some info on Albert Bandera and his Bobo doll experiments. They have stood the test of time as being conclusive research, and have some hideously reproducible results.
Here’s a link to get you started: http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Bandura/bobo.htm
Take 7 minutes to read the article, and then respond.
[4] Section 3 was almost my favorite, but this last section wins the prize! So we finally reach the ‘facts’ (research) which conclusively proves he’s undoubtedly right! Even better is the fact that we’re all incompetent, uninformed morons with no capacity to argue until we see this end-of-everything research – which you’re supposed to waste 7 minutes reading. … The ultimate irony being the research supports the other side of the argument.
Sorry to make this a direct jab at you opus13, but how do you expect us to take you seriously when you open an argument with “shut the **** up?” (how’s that for a rhetorical question) Anyways, the point of writing all that was to point out the sheer absurdity we face from these politicians and activists groups that are merely looking for campaign contributions and votes. Half the battle is understanding your opponent.
Please note I’m NOT addressing his ‘argument’ (as if he addressed your arguments) in this post, but I thought I’d have some fun – just to illustrate who these people really are.
etc etc etc..
Shut the f*ck up already.
I think everyone that participates in these threads regurgitating the same line of "oh video games do nothing, its just hoopla and scaremongering" ought to pull their heads out of their asses and actually do less than 5 minutes of research before shitting their brains on to these forums.
[1] Lets see… He begins by arrogantly dismissing everyone's comments, followed by an aggressive (<-- note) personal attack. He hasn’t even began to discuss the issue yet & the discussion has degraded to an inflammatory, immature argument. I’d hope that we’d proceed to the discussion at this point, but our first paragraph simply attempts to place his opponents into an artificial box, claiming they have no intellectual capabilities or research.
Note: The ultimate irony so far being the side that displays excessively aggressive behavior.
Yeah, a part of the problem with videogames and media saturation is just a matter of poor parenting, but overall: do you all actually think that all of this is made up? Do you really think that it’s entirely irrelevant? Do you think that it’s a bunch of conservatives rallying behind some flag? Do you know where all of these people that are anti-videogames are coming from?
[2] These are supposed to be "rhetorical questions?" Of course we’re supposed to dismiss parent’s responsibility at the end of the paragraph.
Note: Oh, don’t forget to insert a quick jab at conservatives (could have easily been a jab at liberals as mindless people go either way)!
They are your next-door neighbors and your average joe from the PTA. They are sick of seeing their kids smack the shit out of each other thinking they are power rangers, and are scared of what the future holds for the majority of kids that can’t tell fantasy from reality. They are scared of the better-living-through-pharmacology school system and scared of the next media blitz phenomenon that they are going to be saturated by “Anal fisting llamas from hell” or “Nazi storm troopers of Jesus” or whatever you can fit on an action figure box.
[3] “All the good people are on my side! Everyone else is EVIL!” Anyways, what’s the point of that paragraph? Oh yea, I’m supposed to get emotional.
Children re-enacting viewed violence is not new. It’s older than video games, it’s older than GTA, and it’s older than television and film put together. The median line of ‘acceptable violence’ is skyrocketing, and there’s more than a few people that are afraid of what it will mean to future generations.
Check out some info on Albert Bandera and his Bobo doll experiments. They have stood the test of time as being conclusive research, and have some hideously reproducible results.
Here’s a link to get you started: http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Bandura/bobo.htm
Take 7 minutes to read the article, and then respond.
[4] Section 3 was almost my favorite, but this last section wins the prize! So we finally reach the ‘facts’ (research) which conclusively proves he’s undoubtedly right! Even better is the fact that we’re all incompetent, uninformed morons with no capacity to argue until we see this end-of-everything research – which you’re supposed to waste 7 minutes reading. … The ultimate irony being the research supports the other side of the argument.
Sorry to make this a direct jab at you opus13, but how do you expect us to take you seriously when you open an argument with “shut the **** up?” (how’s that for a rhetorical question) Anyways, the point of writing all that was to point out the sheer absurdity we face from these politicians and activists groups that are merely looking for campaign contributions and votes. Half the battle is understanding your opponent.
PhantomDesign
08-29-2005, 07:23 AM
I looked at your research. Interestingly enough, it’s proof that the responsibility should be placed on the parent. The primary thing I want you to note is that the ‘input’ (or starting variable) was a human role-model. The result being imitative behavior of course, but if you consider that a parents is commonly recognized (for good reason) as the primary role model – then this study would support the idea that parents should watch their aggressive behavior around children (Assuming they want to limit their children’s aggressive behavior).
(On a personal note: What’s more annoying is the fact that you tried to waste everyone’s time with that research, as if it was supposed to be revolutionary.)
“Do you all actually think that all of this is made up?”
I think the extremisim presented is ridiculous.
“Do you really think that it’s entirely irrelevant?”
Few things are entirely irrelevant, but minor relevance doesn’t constitute government mandates, lawsuits, and other political action.
“Do you think that it’s a bunch of conservatives rallying behind some flag?”
Hillary isn’t a conservative.
“Do you know where all of these people that are anti-videogames are coming from?”
Ha ha, you really want me to answer that?
“They are sick of seeing their kids smack the shit out of each other thinking they are power rangers”
We can’t have our kids playing, “Cops and Robbers,” …or worse “Cowboys and Indians,” because it would incite violence and racism against Indians!!! (If you didn’t catch on, that was sarcasm.) Go back a couple centuries and kids probably played “Romans and Carthaginians,” having mock sword-fights with sticks. Mild aggressive, active behavior is natural in young males. Kids playing power-rangers won’t smack eachother around. In order for this to be accurate, you have to assume kids are extremely stupid, which they aren’t.
You can argue good intentions all day, but you use your head before taking rash actions. :banghead:
hahahahahahahahaha!!!
"Yeah, a part of the problem with videogames and media saturation is just a matter of poor parenting, but overall: do you all actually think that all of this is made up? Do you really think that it’s entirely irrelevant? Do you think that it’s a bunch of conservatives rallying behind some flag? Do you know where all of these people that are anti-videogames are coming from?"
YES!! YES YES AND NO...
damn u got some attitude... i cant believe there is someone on these forums who thinks computer games can be held responsible for anything our kids do... PARENTS PARENTS PARENTS....
your talking about little kids playing violent games.. they shouldnt be allowed ot play violent games... would u let them go see an 18 movie? hell no....
dont try and push the blame around to a media that you have no idea about... just because it feels easy... just because you have no place to go, and just because you have little sense of responsibility....
(On a personal note: What’s more annoying is the fact that you tried to waste everyone’s time with that research, as if it was supposed to be revolutionary.)
“Do you all actually think that all of this is made up?”
I think the extremisim presented is ridiculous.
“Do you really think that it’s entirely irrelevant?”
Few things are entirely irrelevant, but minor relevance doesn’t constitute government mandates, lawsuits, and other political action.
“Do you think that it’s a bunch of conservatives rallying behind some flag?”
Hillary isn’t a conservative.
“Do you know where all of these people that are anti-videogames are coming from?”
Ha ha, you really want me to answer that?
“They are sick of seeing their kids smack the shit out of each other thinking they are power rangers”
We can’t have our kids playing, “Cops and Robbers,” …or worse “Cowboys and Indians,” because it would incite violence and racism against Indians!!! (If you didn’t catch on, that was sarcasm.) Go back a couple centuries and kids probably played “Romans and Carthaginians,” having mock sword-fights with sticks. Mild aggressive, active behavior is natural in young males. Kids playing power-rangers won’t smack eachother around. In order for this to be accurate, you have to assume kids are extremely stupid, which they aren’t.
You can argue good intentions all day, but you use your head before taking rash actions. :banghead:
hahahahahahahahaha!!!
"Yeah, a part of the problem with videogames and media saturation is just a matter of poor parenting, but overall: do you all actually think that all of this is made up? Do you really think that it’s entirely irrelevant? Do you think that it’s a bunch of conservatives rallying behind some flag? Do you know where all of these people that are anti-videogames are coming from?"
YES!! YES YES AND NO...
damn u got some attitude... i cant believe there is someone on these forums who thinks computer games can be held responsible for anything our kids do... PARENTS PARENTS PARENTS....
your talking about little kids playing violent games.. they shouldnt be allowed ot play violent games... would u let them go see an 18 movie? hell no....
dont try and push the blame around to a media that you have no idea about... just because it feels easy... just because you have no place to go, and just because you have little sense of responsibility....
tester1111
08-29-2005, 11:25 AM
OK, but this is because of population growth, not video games, rendering it kind of irrelevant to the discussion. :)
It's relevant in that once populations in the U.S. reaches the density of places like China or India now, you'll be hearing police sirens going off every hour and fire sirens going off in at least once a day unless crime and violence is dramatically curbed. Crime and homicide rates may stay the same but individual cases will continue to go up. Good luck on trying to get a good night's sleep.
It's relevant in that once populations in the U.S. reaches the density of places like China or India now, you'll be hearing police sirens going off every hour and fire sirens going off in at least once a day unless crime and violence is dramatically curbed. Crime and homicide rates may stay the same but individual cases will continue to go up. Good luck on trying to get a good night's sleep.
Tonedef
08-30-2005, 09:04 PM
In the 50s Elvis was a target...70s Kiss...80s movies/rap...90s-today TV/games...
As you can clearly see, this is just human nature. Human nature to blame someone or thing other than ourselves. I could type pages upon pages of how this shit is ridiculous and untrue...but it will just go unheard. There are studies that prove all these accusations wrong, again unnoticed. There is no escaping the simplicity of the public and its 'leaders'. All in all...**** it. Just ignore it...once you do (which we know won't happen, but let’s play pretend) they will go away...they will find something else. It is just a bunch of people who look down at us cause they think they are 'better' and 'more civilized'...all they are is trying to get a rise out of us, bully us, and then laugh. Just continue playing your games...continue making violent games......life is violent.....history is violent. If they really want to banish violence they should really just start with history books.
As you can clearly see, this is just human nature. Human nature to blame someone or thing other than ourselves. I could type pages upon pages of how this shit is ridiculous and untrue...but it will just go unheard. There are studies that prove all these accusations wrong, again unnoticed. There is no escaping the simplicity of the public and its 'leaders'. All in all...**** it. Just ignore it...once you do (which we know won't happen, but let’s play pretend) they will go away...they will find something else. It is just a bunch of people who look down at us cause they think they are 'better' and 'more civilized'...all they are is trying to get a rise out of us, bully us, and then laugh. Just continue playing your games...continue making violent games......life is violent.....history is violent. If they really want to banish violence they should really just start with history books.
mynewcat
08-31-2005, 04:52 PM
Here in Blighty we don't have Foxnews... :D
Yes we do, Sky news!
Yes we do, Sky news!
lovisx
08-31-2005, 05:35 PM
history is violent
most violance in history is unnecessary, and really could've be avoided, causes alot of pain, benefits temporarily the few influential while the majority suffers horror. I think more then anything it's caused by the sheep of dictators, kings, and tyrants, who think violance solves problems.
most violance in history is unnecessary, and really could've be avoided, causes alot of pain, benefits temporarily the few influential while the majority suffers horror. I think more then anything it's caused by the sheep of dictators, kings, and tyrants, who think violance solves problems.
BaronImpossible
08-31-2005, 05:44 PM
The outrage of the righteous. How sad. All this talk of censorship and bad influence is down to one thing, and that's the total inability of a (growing) proportion of the population to assess acceptable risk. Do vidoegames increase society's agression? Yes, they probably do. To a significant extent? No, clearly not. Is it an important issue, therefore? Is it buggery.
ArtisticVisions
08-31-2005, 05:59 PM
VG Cats' Scott Ramsoomair vs. Jack Thompson
http://www.vgcats.com/jack.php
And some more:
http://gr.bolt.com/articles/jack/jack.htm
Good gravy, that man is even more nuts than I thought he was! :eek:
Originally Posted by Boone
Here in Blighty we don't have Foxnews... :D
Consider yourself fortunate. :rolleyes:
http://www.vgcats.com/jack.php
And some more:
http://gr.bolt.com/articles/jack/jack.htm
Good gravy, that man is even more nuts than I thought he was! :eek:
Originally Posted by Boone
Here in Blighty we don't have Foxnews... :D
Consider yourself fortunate. :rolleyes:
lovisx
08-31-2005, 06:49 PM
the total inability of a (growing) proportion of the population to assess acceptable risk
isn't the reverse? More and more people accept that the risk of media violance is low, and therefore, in your words, succesfully assess that the acceptable risk is low. I say this because for example, elvis was almost unacceptable back in the fifties, which is totally perposterous now. Now there is very little that is unacceptable.
isn't the reverse? More and more people accept that the risk of media violance is low, and therefore, in your words, succesfully assess that the acceptable risk is low. I say this because for example, elvis was almost unacceptable back in the fifties, which is totally perposterous now. Now there is very little that is unacceptable.
BaronImpossible
08-31-2005, 07:35 PM
isn't the reverse? More and more people accept that the risk of media violance is low, and therefore, in your words, succesfully assess that the acceptable risk is low. I say this because for example, elvis was almost unacceptable back in the fifties, which is totally perposterous now. Now there is very little that is unacceptable.
No, I don't think so. In the UK at least there is so much scare-mongering done by the media that people are becoming obsessed with things that don't matter a damn. Everything gives you cancer. The streets are alive with child abductors. Video games corrupt. Bad language depraves. The internet perverts. Every medicine has a side effect worse than the disease itself. All foods are bad for your health. The list goes on and on and on and the only things it doesn't include are the things that really do make a difference.
No, I don't think so. In the UK at least there is so much scare-mongering done by the media that people are becoming obsessed with things that don't matter a damn. Everything gives you cancer. The streets are alive with child abductors. Video games corrupt. Bad language depraves. The internet perverts. Every medicine has a side effect worse than the disease itself. All foods are bad for your health. The list goes on and on and on and the only things it doesn't include are the things that really do make a difference.
lovisx
08-31-2005, 08:36 PM
oh I see, I think it's a little like that here in Canada too. But only on the more commercial stations.... trying to keep consumers aware, blah blah.
I guess you're right, there really is too much attention in this subject (cough especially me) when there alot more important subjects.
I guess you're right, there really is too much attention in this subject (cough especially me) when there alot more important subjects.
reForm
09-01-2005, 12:29 AM
I hate to bring up the obvious.... but why doesn't anyone see the correlation between the promotion and glorification of war, recruiting of teenagers and general worship of weapons as things that may have a SLIGHT influence on the way that children perceive violence?
archerx
09-01-2005, 11:06 AM
i've been playing FPS all my young life and honestly i hate guns... i do not warship guns either, being shot at in real life and in a game is totally different.... trust me i know.
StephanD
09-01-2005, 12:22 PM
I hate to bring up the obvious.... but why doesn't anyone see the correlation between the promotion and glorification of war, recruiting of teenagers and general worship of weapons as things that may have a SLIGHT influence on the way that children perceive violence?
Because it's obvious that influenceability is irresponsible justification.Unless there are well established proofs of the contrary.
Jails are full of 'influenceable people'...
Because it's obvious that influenceability is irresponsible justification.Unless there are well established proofs of the contrary.
Jails are full of 'influenceable people'...
Boone
09-01-2005, 09:26 PM
Re: re:Form.
That reminded me of when I went shopping awhile back and in the City's main market square, the armed forces had set up a recruitment stand. I found it rather shocking to see a young soldier explaining to an even younger lad that if he joined up he would have an oppertunity to use some of the finest weapons avaliable such as the...the...ummm..."cannon" he had on display. I know the armed forces do use big guns from time-to-time to procede in their jobs - but did they have to promote their job in such a degrading "John Rambo" style? :shrug:
I too think that those who slam games need to look at other aspects of their respective society that may be in need of such indepth scruitiny.
PS - For the record, I love the Rambo films for their totally hilarious dialogue and OTT gung-ho action. :D
That reminded me of when I went shopping awhile back and in the City's main market square, the armed forces had set up a recruitment stand. I found it rather shocking to see a young soldier explaining to an even younger lad that if he joined up he would have an oppertunity to use some of the finest weapons avaliable such as the...the...ummm..."cannon" he had on display. I know the armed forces do use big guns from time-to-time to procede in their jobs - but did they have to promote their job in such a degrading "John Rambo" style? :shrug:
I too think that those who slam games need to look at other aspects of their respective society that may be in need of such indepth scruitiny.
PS - For the record, I love the Rambo films for their totally hilarious dialogue and OTT gung-ho action. :D
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