DynamicRealism
11-20-2005, 10:35 PM
no, no command line feature at all =(
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dann_stubbs
11-20-2005, 10:51 PM
Thanks, Dann. To you and this thread, is there a portable solution for Mac users (PBG4 OS10) like the USB ethernet adapter for PCs?
doesn't appear to be any that i can find. i did find this link
http://www.sustworks.com/site/news_usb_ethernet.html
but anything that relied on that to work would probably have a short software life as undoubtly some upgrade would break it.
found this too http://about.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=857696&
but i doubt it would last long either... so i guess since most apple products have support for airport there is just so little market for this stuff that they just don't write drivers for them
i don't think bluetooth has a MAC address - i think they have their own type of that - but those are the only things i've found that can work on both mac and pc.
i as well hoped that the usb ethernet device i bought just would work with no additional drivers - but it did need some drivers to work - and that worries me a bit cause there is no guarantee that i will be able to get those drivers to work a year or two from now - or they may just not update them to work past XP (i.e. no XP 64 support) but i guess for now it is a better option then a PCI card or the motherboard NIC.
mac users don't have much choice it seems - i guess you could lock it to an airport or airport extreme card and use that to move it around in a tower or a laptop (not super convienent but at least it CAN be moved)
so unless somebody makes a hardware key that will work i think that is the choice - i did wonder if my alias maya hardware key would be recognized since it does work on both mac and pc with the rainbow drivers - but i didn't try that and would be afraid to lock it to that anyway should it affect the maya use.
dann
doesn't appear to be any that i can find. i did find this link
http://www.sustworks.com/site/news_usb_ethernet.html
but anything that relied on that to work would probably have a short software life as undoubtly some upgrade would break it.
found this too http://about.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=857696&
but i doubt it would last long either... so i guess since most apple products have support for airport there is just so little market for this stuff that they just don't write drivers for them
i don't think bluetooth has a MAC address - i think they have their own type of that - but those are the only things i've found that can work on both mac and pc.
i as well hoped that the usb ethernet device i bought just would work with no additional drivers - but it did need some drivers to work - and that worries me a bit cause there is no guarantee that i will be able to get those drivers to work a year or two from now - or they may just not update them to work past XP (i.e. no XP 64 support) but i guess for now it is a better option then a PCI card or the motherboard NIC.
mac users don't have much choice it seems - i guess you could lock it to an airport or airport extreme card and use that to move it around in a tower or a laptop (not super convienent but at least it CAN be moved)
so unless somebody makes a hardware key that will work i think that is the choice - i did wonder if my alias maya hardware key would be recognized since it does work on both mac and pc with the rainbow drivers - but i didn't try that and would be afraid to lock it to that anyway should it affect the maya use.
dann
Thalaxis
11-21-2005, 01:15 AM
i as well hoped that the usb ethernet device i bought just would work with no additional drivers - but it did need some drivers to work
You can't get out of needing drivers, unfortunately... but Cebas did say that there is a way to move the license if necessary, so there's a way out of that concern.
so unless somebody makes a hardware key that will work i think that is the choice - i did wonder if my alias maya hardware key would be recognized since it does work on both mac and pc with the rainbow drivers - but i didn't try that and would be afraid to lock it to that anyway should it affect the maya use.
Since IPCramp is tied to a MAC address rather than a hadware key, I wouldn't expect the Maya key to work.
You can't get out of needing drivers, unfortunately... but Cebas did say that there is a way to move the license if necessary, so there's a way out of that concern.
so unless somebody makes a hardware key that will work i think that is the choice - i did wonder if my alias maya hardware key would be recognized since it does work on both mac and pc with the rainbow drivers - but i didn't try that and would be afraid to lock it to that anyway should it affect the maya use.
Since IPCramp is tied to a MAC address rather than a hadware key, I wouldn't expect the Maya key to work.
dann_stubbs
11-21-2005, 01:22 AM
You can't get out of needing drivers, unfortunately... but Cebas did say that there is a way to move the license if necessary, so there's a way out of that concern.
Since IPCramp is tied to a MAC address rather than a hadware key, I wouldn't expect the Maya key to work.
the maya key seems to be just a MAC address on a sentinel dongle so i bet it would - it just needs the rainbow drivers to show up. but otherwise it just shows up among the other MAC options on the system. i may just pop the IPCramp on my PC workstation and launch see if it offers the option for that dongle in the lock to field.
what i was hoping for the USB ethernet adapter is just some basic microsoft included drivers that i then could feel a bit safer about the longevity of the access to them - rather then a third party that may drop the product or diappear in time.
yeah i know cebas said you could move the license (even with alias you can move it for $150) but in a downtime situation i like to know i have the control over the move. i'm sure all will be fine but i'm extra cautious and like to be prepared.
dann
Since IPCramp is tied to a MAC address rather than a hadware key, I wouldn't expect the Maya key to work.
the maya key seems to be just a MAC address on a sentinel dongle so i bet it would - it just needs the rainbow drivers to show up. but otherwise it just shows up among the other MAC options on the system. i may just pop the IPCramp on my PC workstation and launch see if it offers the option for that dongle in the lock to field.
what i was hoping for the USB ethernet adapter is just some basic microsoft included drivers that i then could feel a bit safer about the longevity of the access to them - rather then a third party that may drop the product or diappear in time.
yeah i know cebas said you could move the license (even with alias you can move it for $150) but in a downtime situation i like to know i have the control over the move. i'm sure all will be fine but i'm extra cautious and like to be prepared.
dann
nycL45
11-21-2005, 02:01 AM
Wow, that's quite a thorough reply. Thanks, Dann. Perhaps Edwin/Cebas can help suggest something.
talos72
11-21-2005, 04:14 AM
I don't think you can use a USB memory stick to set up your license. It has to be a network adapter, but the adapter can be USB...ie. plugged in through a USB port. I am not sure how the changing IPs will affect your licensing setup however. Your license essentially becomes associated with a specific network card. Any computer that has the network card (whether integrated, wireless or USB) acts as a license server to which any other machine that uses FR must have access. In my setup, I have a pc and a laptop (which I sometimes use more than my pc), so I used my laptop's network card to setup my license. Everytime I need to use FR on my pc, I need to access the network card on my laptop to "activate" that session of FR on the pc.
I checked out Cebas' forum and apparently quiet a few people (including I) have had issues regarding license setups, especially when trying to use alternate machines using one license.
Hopefully Cebas will address these issues.
I checked out Cebas' forum and apparently quiet a few people (including I) have had issues regarding license setups, especially when trying to use alternate machines using one license.
Hopefully Cebas will address these issues.
Thalaxis
11-21-2005, 04:45 AM
I don't think you can use a USB memory stick to set up your license.
Are you referring to Dann's suggestion? He wasn't talking about a memory stick.
You're right about the whole thing though; this is a surprisingly user-hostile licensing setup. It's particuarly galling to have it attached to such an amazing renderer, since you'd think that by now the licensing implementation would be the easy part, after coming up with an all-new GI solver, ray-tracer, and so on.
Are you referring to Dann's suggestion? He wasn't talking about a memory stick.
You're right about the whole thing though; this is a surprisingly user-hostile licensing setup. It's particuarly galling to have it attached to such an amazing renderer, since you'd think that by now the licensing implementation would be the easy part, after coming up with an all-new GI solver, ray-tracer, and so on.
Ernest Burden
11-21-2005, 06:20 AM
on a sentinel dongle so i bet it would - it just needs the rainbow drivers to show up...
I have a rainbow sentinal USB hardware key for FormZ plugged in to my workstation. When I set up the NutClamp thing it did not see the dongle. It never occured to me that it should, until reading your post.
I have a rainbow sentinal USB hardware key for FormZ plugged in to my workstation. When I set up the NutClamp thing it did not see the dongle. It never occured to me that it should, until reading your post.
dann_stubbs
11-21-2005, 11:52 AM
I have a rainbow sentinal USB hardware key for FormZ plugged in to my workstation. When I set up the NutClamp thing it did not see the dongle. It never occured to me that it should, until reading your post.
oh well, i was thinking it would, but guess not. i still may try my maya key because there can be different versions of the rainbow dongles and since maya registers to a NIC (not sure about formZ) and the dongle just showed up alongside the NIC in the choices i still think it may show up. i'm not sure if formZ registers to a NIC as an option as well.
too late for me to use anyway since already locked to USB ethernet adapter but i'm still curious about it.
dann
oh well, i was thinking it would, but guess not. i still may try my maya key because there can be different versions of the rainbow dongles and since maya registers to a NIC (not sure about formZ) and the dongle just showed up alongside the NIC in the choices i still think it may show up. i'm not sure if formZ registers to a NIC as an option as well.
too late for me to use anyway since already locked to USB ethernet adapter but i'm still curious about it.
dann
nycL45
11-21-2005, 12:02 PM
I checked out Cebas' forum and apparently quiet a few people (including I) have had issues regarding license setups, especially when trying to use alternate machines using one license.
Hopefully Cebas will address these issues.
I monitor the fR2 for C4D forum twice a day and I'm surprised at how little has been said about licensing. This is my first experience with this level/kind of security and wonder if Cebas, or any business, would be here today if this had been the operating atmosphere or the relationship paradigm in effect say, twentyfive years ago. If this was the solution, you would think car, appliance, electronic manufacturers would have adopted a similar attitude/solution to protecting their products a long, long time ago. A case in point? Sony selling music CDs that install security compromising apps on computers. Those clients are mad and Sony is starting a recall of millions of cds.
Hopefully Cebas will address these issues.
I monitor the fR2 for C4D forum twice a day and I'm surprised at how little has been said about licensing. This is my first experience with this level/kind of security and wonder if Cebas, or any business, would be here today if this had been the operating atmosphere or the relationship paradigm in effect say, twentyfive years ago. If this was the solution, you would think car, appliance, electronic manufacturers would have adopted a similar attitude/solution to protecting their products a long, long time ago. A case in point? Sony selling music CDs that install security compromising apps on computers. Those clients are mad and Sony is starting a recall of millions of cds.
Thalaxis
11-21-2005, 12:26 PM
oh well, i was thinking it would, but guess not. i still may try my maya key because there can be different versions of the rainbow dongles and since maya registers to a NIC (not sure about formZ) and the dongle just showed up alongside the NIC in the choices i still think it may show up. i'm not sure if formZ registers to a NIC as an option as well.
Maya is probably still using a version of FlexLM, which used to require a NIC. It's most likely written to support both a NIC and a dongle; AFAIK the Rainbow dongles have some form of encrypted serial number on them, rather than a MAC address. I'm pretty sure none of my dongles will work since I don't have Maya or anything like it, so we won't know for sure until you try your experiment, I think :)
Maya is probably still using a version of FlexLM, which used to require a NIC. It's most likely written to support both a NIC and a dongle; AFAIK the Rainbow dongles have some form of encrypted serial number on them, rather than a MAC address. I'm pretty sure none of my dongles will work since I don't have Maya or anything like it, so we won't know for sure until you try your experiment, I think :)
Thalaxis
11-21-2005, 12:37 PM
I monitor the fR2 for C4D forum twice a day and I'm surprised at how little has been said about licensing. This is my first experience with this level/kind of security and wonder if Cebas, or any business, would be here today if this had been the operating atmosphere or the relationship paradigm in effect say, twentyfive years ago.
Way back in the Maya 1 days, this sort of thing was the standard. You'd have a license server that every machine had to connect to in order to run, and you'd install some number of licences on it, and when the software started up, it would query the license server and decide whether or not it would run. Back then an ethernet card was a luxury, so very few home users had them, which helped keep software like that out of the hands of people like us... but so did the $6-$30k price tags. It wasn't until they started selling their software to individuals and small studios that they started adding dongle options for individual licensing.
There's still a lot of commercial software that requires that sort of license, because you can just use a single central license server and install everything everywhere. If you have 14 computers and 7 Maya users and 7 Maya licenses on your server, you can just install Maya on all 14, and your Maya users can launch Maya from whichever machine is available.
For anyone who has gotten used to the individual-oriented licensing methods of Cinema and LightWave, this IPCramp stuff is going to seem rather foreign.
Way back in the Maya 1 days, this sort of thing was the standard. You'd have a license server that every machine had to connect to in order to run, and you'd install some number of licences on it, and when the software started up, it would query the license server and decide whether or not it would run. Back then an ethernet card was a luxury, so very few home users had them, which helped keep software like that out of the hands of people like us... but so did the $6-$30k price tags. It wasn't until they started selling their software to individuals and small studios that they started adding dongle options for individual licensing.
There's still a lot of commercial software that requires that sort of license, because you can just use a single central license server and install everything everywhere. If you have 14 computers and 7 Maya users and 7 Maya licenses on your server, you can just install Maya on all 14, and your Maya users can launch Maya from whichever machine is available.
For anyone who has gotten used to the individual-oriented licensing methods of Cinema and LightWave, this IPCramp stuff is going to seem rather foreign.
Ernest Burden
11-21-2005, 01:26 PM
For anyone who has gotten used to the individual-oriented licensing methods of Cinema and LightWave, this IPCramp stuff is going to seem rather foreign.
It's nothing short of insulting to have to prove your innocence to use something you paid for.
My car came with a key--a hardware lock--too. But that's to protect me from theft.
It's nothing short of insulting to have to prove your innocence to use something you paid for.
My car came with a key--a hardware lock--too. But that's to protect me from theft.
bobtronic
11-21-2005, 02:06 PM
It's nothing short of insulting to have to prove your innocence to use something you paid for.
My car came with a key--a hardware lock--too. But that's to protect me from theft.
I agree, the funny thing is the warez user hasn't these obstacles. I never bought an app
with dongle or hardware lock, only exception is Windows.
Bob
My car came with a key--a hardware lock--too. But that's to protect me from theft.
I agree, the funny thing is the warez user hasn't these obstacles. I never bought an app
with dongle or hardware lock, only exception is Windows.
Bob
duderender
11-21-2005, 02:29 PM
What ticks me off is that being IPClamp is a home-brewed security scheme by Cebas, how much effort went into it and conisidering a late delivery time....
Typically, IP security software is used for controlling large seat based licensing schemes. Companies are trying to be sure they're getting paid for the correct number of licenses you are using. However at the same time, most offer a locked license scheme where you pay a little extra but then you are in control.
I for one would have been more happy with with a dongle based security if there had to be a security device. Licensing through hardware sucks for the sole proprietor as I don't run dedicated servers. Obviously, Cebas forgot about the little people here and was more concerned about servicing the studio based clientelle.
Typically, IP security software is used for controlling large seat based licensing schemes. Companies are trying to be sure they're getting paid for the correct number of licenses you are using. However at the same time, most offer a locked license scheme where you pay a little extra but then you are in control.
I for one would have been more happy with with a dongle based security if there had to be a security device. Licensing through hardware sucks for the sole proprietor as I don't run dedicated servers. Obviously, Cebas forgot about the little people here and was more concerned about servicing the studio based clientelle.
Thalaxis
11-21-2005, 02:37 PM
It's nothing short of insulting to have to prove your innocence to use something you paid for.
I agree. Most of the software security implementations out there really only inconvenience the paying customers, and don't actually succeed at preventing piracy.
I agree. Most of the software security implementations out there really only inconvenience the paying customers, and don't actually succeed at preventing piracy.
AdamT
11-21-2005, 03:00 PM
I will say that Cebas' system works quite seamlessly once you get past the install problems. It's quite cool to be able to use bucket rendering even for area renders.
Thalaxis
11-21-2005, 03:08 PM
And it also distributes the GI and caustics pre-pass, as well as the actual render pass.
The Anglicization in the docs is pretty comical... especially their spelling of "aria" for "area" ;)
The Anglicization in the docs is pretty comical... especially their spelling of "aria" for "area" ;)
nycL45
11-21-2005, 03:23 PM
I will say that Cebas' system works quite seamlessly once you get past the install problems. It's quite cool to be able to use bucket rendering even for area renders.
It would be nice if Cebas would tell us that the licensing process will be *seamless* when I change machines. I feel pressured to be damned certain to get the first installation right or it will be like going through the government to get things corrected. That is the impression planted by Cebas... IMHO.
It would be nice if Cebas would tell us that the licensing process will be *seamless* when I change machines. I feel pressured to be damned certain to get the first installation right or it will be like going through the government to get things corrected. That is the impression planted by Cebas... IMHO.
talos72
11-21-2005, 03:38 PM
"I for one would have been more happy with with a dongle based security if there had to be a security device. Licensing through hardware sucks for the sole proprietor as I don't run dedicated servers. Obviously, Cebas forgot about the little people here and was more concerned about servicing the studio based clientelle."
I totally agree. I feel regular home users with very small networks or few computers may have been a bit overlooked with regards to license setup. As mentioned, a good chunk of FR users are not studios but people who may have a couple of machines (pc and a laptop, for example) and would like to switch using FR between them.
"I feel pressured to be damned certain to get the first installation right or it will be like going through the government to get things corrected. That is the impression planted by Cebas... IMHO."
Again, that is the sense I got: that when setting up the license you may as well be deffusing a bomb and if you cut the wrong wire you are screwed. :D
Frankly, I use C4D mostly for illustration work and really am not concerned as much with bucket rendering (though a very nice feature) as I will probably be using one machine at a time for renders. Hence, flexibility and the ability to switch computers is far more important to me. Given I only have one pc and one laptop, I don't have a luxury of a dedicated server and should the license machine go down, I feel I may be screwed while having to go through presenting my case for a new license.
I totally agree. I feel regular home users with very small networks or few computers may have been a bit overlooked with regards to license setup. As mentioned, a good chunk of FR users are not studios but people who may have a couple of machines (pc and a laptop, for example) and would like to switch using FR between them.
"I feel pressured to be damned certain to get the first installation right or it will be like going through the government to get things corrected. That is the impression planted by Cebas... IMHO."
Again, that is the sense I got: that when setting up the license you may as well be deffusing a bomb and if you cut the wrong wire you are screwed. :D
Frankly, I use C4D mostly for illustration work and really am not concerned as much with bucket rendering (though a very nice feature) as I will probably be using one machine at a time for renders. Hence, flexibility and the ability to switch computers is far more important to me. Given I only have one pc and one laptop, I don't have a luxury of a dedicated server and should the license machine go down, I feel I may be screwed while having to go through presenting my case for a new license.
Edwin Braun
11-22-2005, 12:37 PM
No one will be screwed if you need to change your PC.
We will issue the license for you you just have to write in and make sure you mention the reason for the change.
We are also working on an easy single PC installation or a transfer mechanism.
edwin
We will issue the license for you you just have to write in and make sure you mention the reason for the change.
We are also working on an easy single PC installation or a transfer mechanism.
edwin
nycL45
11-22-2005, 01:07 PM
Thanks for stepping in here, Edwin. fR2 is looking like a powerful tool to deliver fine results. The licensing bit, the IP_Clamp, was a huge surprise that needs some tweaking to more accomodate what is sure to become Cebas's loyal clients. On the face of it, the IP_Clamp is unfriendly. There has got to be a middle ground and it is hoped Cebas will meet us half way. All said *IMHO*.
Again, thanks for your thoughts.
Again, thanks for your thoughts.
lllab
11-22-2005, 01:29 PM
i have no problem with ip clamp, there just should be a way to be able to authorize different pcs as server.
cheers
stefan
cheers
stefan
nycL45
11-22-2005, 03:03 PM
lllab, a sort of clarification: I was trying to sum up and group together for brevity the range of concerns expressed here having to do with the licensing system including, installation, moving the license around, computer failures, future hardware changes or additions, the Cebas process for addressing these issues, etc. You are probably not alone with not having had a problem with the IP_Clamp. Others have had issues. More experienced peeps than I have noted in this thread that, in their opinion, this has not been the best installation experience or process. So far, it seems users, though experiencing growing pains, are really pleased and excited with the business end of fR2.
I'm not new to computers, and I can certainly not be counted among the advanced users, but, from reading the various threads on this I feel really intimidated. Its that part between the seller and the buyer before and after a transaction that needs tweaking.
I see what peeps are doing with fR2 now and hey, I want to join in. But, then again, I'm Mac. :sad:
I'm not new to computers, and I can certainly not be counted among the advanced users, but, from reading the various threads on this I feel really intimidated. Its that part between the seller and the buyer before and after a transaction that needs tweaking.
I see what peeps are doing with fR2 now and hey, I want to join in. But, then again, I'm Mac. :sad:
duderender
11-22-2005, 03:45 PM
well, i did the usb adapter bit for the wireless. But for the life of me I cannot find out why it keeps dropping. What I did was put it onto my 'serving' computer which is also wired to the router.
It's all DHCP, and I did even make I'm using different wireless channels between router and phone. Network card reports excellent signal.
I can see no reason why I can't add a second network card in the same PC even if its wireless.
It's all DHCP, and I did even make I'm using different wireless channels between router and phone. Network card reports excellent signal.
I can see no reason why I can't add a second network card in the same PC even if its wireless.
dann_stubbs
11-22-2005, 04:22 PM
well, i did the usb adapter bit for the wireless. But for the life of me I cannot find out why it keeps dropping. What I did was put it onto my 'serving' computer which is also wired to the router.
It's all DHCP, and I did even make I'm using different wireless channels between router and phone. Network card reports excellent signal.
I can see no reason why I can't add a second network card in the same PC even if its wireless.
i wouldn't use any wireless signal for any type of rendering - the drop outs and latency of wireless is just too poor. to lock the key to a wireless network adapter should not be a problem as it only needs to validate that it is there. i did not get a wireless adapter just becasue i did not want to introduce a new potential access point (although i would turn it off) it is just one more security risk if forgot or overlooked.
you should have no problem putting in a wired network card - in the IPClamp (i truely don't mean to keep typing IPCramp : ) i don't know why i keep doing that) but the first tab of the IPClamp app is for what port to pass data - i just put that on my gigabit network card - the second tab was just where to lock the key to - that is where i chose my USB ethernet connector.
dann
It's all DHCP, and I did even make I'm using different wireless channels between router and phone. Network card reports excellent signal.
I can see no reason why I can't add a second network card in the same PC even if its wireless.
i wouldn't use any wireless signal for any type of rendering - the drop outs and latency of wireless is just too poor. to lock the key to a wireless network adapter should not be a problem as it only needs to validate that it is there. i did not get a wireless adapter just becasue i did not want to introduce a new potential access point (although i would turn it off) it is just one more security risk if forgot or overlooked.
you should have no problem putting in a wired network card - in the IPClamp (i truely don't mean to keep typing IPCramp : ) i don't know why i keep doing that) but the first tab of the IPClamp app is for what port to pass data - i just put that on my gigabit network card - the second tab was just where to lock the key to - that is where i chose my USB ethernet connector.
dann
talos72
11-22-2005, 04:29 PM
Edwin thanks for your reply. I am glad Cebas is addressing the license transfer issue. Otherwise, FR2 seems like a great tool for C4D users and I look foreward to learning to work with it.
duderender
11-22-2005, 04:39 PM
the first tab of the IPClamp app is for what port to pass data - i just put that on my gigabit network card - the second tab was just where to lock the key to - that is where i chose my USB ethernet connector.
dann
this is the piece of info I was looking for!!! THANKS! I can't say why it drops out but you see the slave time out is 120s so my wireless recovers in less time than that so it should be swell now.
dann
this is the piece of info I was looking for!!! THANKS! I can't say why it drops out but you see the slave time out is 120s so my wireless recovers in less time than that so it should be swell now.
Thalaxis
11-22-2005, 05:22 PM
It's all DHCP, and I did even make I'm using different wireless channels between router and phone. Network card reports excellent signal.
The same happens on my network. It's probably from having too many radio noise around. The geometry of my house make it infeasible to use wired networking so it's an ok compromise, but there are times when my P4 will finish just two buckets while the Athlon64 rips through 30 or so.
What's more odd than that is that my other laptop has far less trouble with dropouts than the desktop with an add-on USB wireless network adapter.
I can see no reason why I can't add a second network card in the same PC even if its wireless.
It shouldn't be a problem... just don't connect the wireless card to a network, and disable the automatic connection option.
The same happens on my network. It's probably from having too many radio noise around. The geometry of my house make it infeasible to use wired networking so it's an ok compromise, but there are times when my P4 will finish just two buckets while the Athlon64 rips through 30 or so.
What's more odd than that is that my other laptop has far less trouble with dropouts than the desktop with an add-on USB wireless network adapter.
I can see no reason why I can't add a second network card in the same PC even if its wireless.
It shouldn't be a problem... just don't connect the wireless card to a network, and disable the automatic connection option.
duderender
11-22-2005, 05:31 PM
It shouldn't be a problem... just don't connect the wireless card to a network, and disable the automatic connection option.
Does it not have to be connected? Otherwise how do you get the license to the other machines? Right now I don't have the usb on the machine I use for C4D. I should move it?
Does it not have to be connected? Otherwise how do you get the license to the other machines? Right now I don't have the usb on the machine I use for C4D. I should move it?
talos72
11-22-2005, 05:43 PM
Your wireless card does need to be plugged into the network, that's the only way the two machines can communicate. That's how another machine can detect the card and activate your license. You can turn off automatic connection, but you still have to re-connect through the network if you want to use your card to activate the license anyways.
Thalaxis
11-22-2005, 06:05 PM
Your wireless card does need to be plugged into the network, that's the only way the two machines can communicate.
Even if you have a wired network?
That's how another machine can detect the card and activate your license.
The fR plugin is looking for a host and port, not a MAC. The router is the only network device that should ever see the MAC, not other entities floating around on the network.
The IPCramp app lets you configure the network card it's tied to and the host it's running on independently. So that means that it should in theory not care whether the card you tied the license to is on the same network as the machine requesting the license, as long as the request comes in on the correct port, and if you've specified it, includes the correct password.
But we'll need either an experiment or Edwin to confirm this... some of the things he's suggested hinted that this should be a viable method.
Even if you have a wired network?
That's how another machine can detect the card and activate your license.
The fR plugin is looking for a host and port, not a MAC. The router is the only network device that should ever see the MAC, not other entities floating around on the network.
The IPCramp app lets you configure the network card it's tied to and the host it's running on independently. So that means that it should in theory not care whether the card you tied the license to is on the same network as the machine requesting the license, as long as the request comes in on the correct port, and if you've specified it, includes the correct password.
But we'll need either an experiment or Edwin to confirm this... some of the things he's suggested hinted that this should be a viable method.
dann_stubbs
11-22-2005, 06:28 PM
Does it not have to be connected? Otherwise how do you get the license to the other machines? Right now I don't have the usb on the machine I use for C4D. I should move it?
nope shouldn't matter - i do not have my USB ethernet adapter plugged in to the network. it is only to validate to the IPClamp that it does belong there.
dann
nope shouldn't matter - i do not have my USB ethernet adapter plugged in to the network. it is only to validate to the IPClamp that it does belong there.
dann
talos72
11-22-2005, 06:43 PM
Wait, are you saying that you don't need the wiredless or USB to be plugged in any machine once you set up IPClamp and license? I am under the assumption that at some point the network card needs to be detected (whether directly or through a network, wireless or not) to run FR.
To answer Thalaxis, no I meant if you are using a wireless card instead of wired network, the wireless needs to be hooked into the network (in case of USB adapters you can just plug the USB card directly into different machines). In my case I have used my wireless network card on my laptop to setup IPClamp. Now if I want to use FR2 on my pc, my pc needs to have access to the network card on my laptop to activate FR (at least initially every time you want to run FR). So when I want to use FR on my pc, I need to have my laptop on and IPClamp running over the wireless network. Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong.
To answer Thalaxis, no I meant if you are using a wireless card instead of wired network, the wireless needs to be hooked into the network (in case of USB adapters you can just plug the USB card directly into different machines). In my case I have used my wireless network card on my laptop to setup IPClamp. Now if I want to use FR2 on my pc, my pc needs to have access to the network card on my laptop to activate FR (at least initially every time you want to run FR). So when I want to use FR on my pc, I need to have my laptop on and IPClamp running over the wireless network. Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong.
Thalaxis
11-22-2005, 06:55 PM
My understanding was that duderender had acquired a USB network adapter just for IPClamp, and that he had a wired network as well.
If the network adapter is also your only network, then obviously you do need to keep it connected, but that's not for IPClamp. IPClamp just needs to poke the card and read its MAC, it doesn't care whether or not the adapter in question is connected to anyone else, which Dann has helpfully confirmed for us :)
In your case it sounds like the wireless adapter you tied IPClamp to is also what you use for networking, in which case you do need to have it connected.
If you have a wired network, or you picked up an external network adapter to use as a "dongle" for IPClamp, then you can use your regular network, and just plug in the network adapter to the ipclamp machine to generate a license. Then just point the renderer at the machine running IPClamp and you're good to go.
What I want to know is how to redirect fR to look at my laptop if I move my USB network adapter to it, since it normally resides on my desktop P4 and only appears to inquire about what host to talk to when you install it. I hope Cebas doesn't expect us to re-install the plugin everytime we move the network adapter the license is tied to!
If the network adapter is also your only network, then obviously you do need to keep it connected, but that's not for IPClamp. IPClamp just needs to poke the card and read its MAC, it doesn't care whether or not the adapter in question is connected to anyone else, which Dann has helpfully confirmed for us :)
In your case it sounds like the wireless adapter you tied IPClamp to is also what you use for networking, in which case you do need to have it connected.
If you have a wired network, or you picked up an external network adapter to use as a "dongle" for IPClamp, then you can use your regular network, and just plug in the network adapter to the ipclamp machine to generate a license. Then just point the renderer at the machine running IPClamp and you're good to go.
What I want to know is how to redirect fR to look at my laptop if I move my USB network adapter to it, since it normally resides on my desktop P4 and only appears to inquire about what host to talk to when you install it. I hope Cebas doesn't expect us to re-install the plugin everytime we move the network adapter the license is tied to!
duderender
11-22-2005, 07:13 PM
Sorry foks for any confusion.
Only my laptop relies on wireless. All other workstations are wired. However because I travel I want fR to go where I go so I purchased USB adapter. The USB adapter is not for network connectivity.
Therefore, I haven't tried, it sounds from dann that you can have the device on your computer without it connectng to the network, as the device is opened to communication via the port. Therefore as long as your computer is visible to the network so is the license with or without the USB wireless adapter connecting to the network.
This is GOOD news. I will validate on my end as well.
Only my laptop relies on wireless. All other workstations are wired. However because I travel I want fR to go where I go so I purchased USB adapter. The USB adapter is not for network connectivity.
Therefore, I haven't tried, it sounds from dann that you can have the device on your computer without it connectng to the network, as the device is opened to communication via the port. Therefore as long as your computer is visible to the network so is the license with or without the USB wireless adapter connecting to the network.
This is GOOD news. I will validate on my end as well.
dann_stubbs
11-22-2005, 07:16 PM
Wait, are you saying that you don't need the wiredless or USB to be plugged in any machine once you set up IPClamp and license? I am under the assumption that at some point the network card needs to be detected (whether directly or through a network, wireless or not) to run FR.
To answer Thalaxis, no I meant if you are using a wireless card instead of wired network, the wireless needs to be hooked into the network (in case of USB adapters you can just plug the USB card directly into different machines). In my case I have used my wireless network card on my laptop to setup IPClamp. Now if I want to use FR2 on my pc, my pc needs to have access to the network card on my laptop to activate FR (at least initially every time you want to run FR). So when I want to use FR on my pc, I need to have my laptop on and IPClamp running over the wireless network. Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong.
yes.
basically you have to put your "key" to some type of NIC adapter. if you locked to your laptop then yes if you want to run your desktop it has to be able to access that "key" stored on your laptop. you should be able to access the laptop over wireless or wired network it should not matter. (except for the technical limitations of wireless and dropouts, latency etc)
that is the benefit of a dongle (even if it is just a USB ethernet adapter) is that i can take my "key" and plug it into whatever platform i need to run on. but yes it does need to be connected to the PC running IPClamp to work. (it does not in my case need to be plugged into the network to do it's job as a key)
i understand the confusion and i hope that helps clear it up.
dann
To answer Thalaxis, no I meant if you are using a wireless card instead of wired network, the wireless needs to be hooked into the network (in case of USB adapters you can just plug the USB card directly into different machines). In my case I have used my wireless network card on my laptop to setup IPClamp. Now if I want to use FR2 on my pc, my pc needs to have access to the network card on my laptop to activate FR (at least initially every time you want to run FR). So when I want to use FR on my pc, I need to have my laptop on and IPClamp running over the wireless network. Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong.
yes.
basically you have to put your "key" to some type of NIC adapter. if you locked to your laptop then yes if you want to run your desktop it has to be able to access that "key" stored on your laptop. you should be able to access the laptop over wireless or wired network it should not matter. (except for the technical limitations of wireless and dropouts, latency etc)
that is the benefit of a dongle (even if it is just a USB ethernet adapter) is that i can take my "key" and plug it into whatever platform i need to run on. but yes it does need to be connected to the PC running IPClamp to work. (it does not in my case need to be plugged into the network to do it's job as a key)
i understand the confusion and i hope that helps clear it up.
dann
Edwin Braun
11-22-2005, 07:28 PM
If you do the USB network card trick, you can move the license to another PC by just installing IP-Clamp there and after installation copy the lic file over into the IP-Clamp folder. The restart the service and that's it!
Yes the card just needs to be active in the PC but not in the network. IP-Clamp just cares about the MAC address.
Also important, do not create networks with public IP-Addresses! IP_Clamp will not work with that kind of setup.
The IP-Clamp manual describes this in detail.
edwin
Yes the card just needs to be active in the PC but not in the network. IP-Clamp just cares about the MAC address.
Also important, do not create networks with public IP-Addresses! IP_Clamp will not work with that kind of setup.
The IP-Clamp manual describes this in detail.
edwin
Thalaxis
11-22-2005, 07:48 PM
If you do the USB network card trick, you can move the license to another PC by just installing IP-Clamp there and after installation copy the lic file over into the IP-Clamp folder. The restart the service and that's it!
So what do you do with the plugin? In my case, if I move my USB network adapter to the laptop, then IPClamp will be on a different machine, with a different IP address.
So what do you do with the plugin? In my case, if I move my USB network adapter to the laptop, then IPClamp will be on a different machine, with a different IP address.
duderender
11-22-2005, 08:19 PM
If you do the USB network card trick, you can move the license to another PC by just installing IP-Clamp there and after installation copy the lic file over into the IP-Clamp folder. The restart the service and that's it!
Yes the card just needs to be active in the PC but not in the network. IP-Clamp just cares about the MAC address.
Also important, do not create networks with public IP-Addresses! IP_Clamp will not work with that kind of setup.
The IP-Clamp manual describes this in detail.
edwin
Strange, because I disable the card and fR says it cannot find license server. The computers are not firewalled.
Nonetheless, here's a test:
big image link (http://www.jase.ca/content/forumpost/finalrender/fr2_prms_test_04.jpg)
Yes the card just needs to be active in the PC but not in the network. IP-Clamp just cares about the MAC address.
Also important, do not create networks with public IP-Addresses! IP_Clamp will not work with that kind of setup.
The IP-Clamp manual describes this in detail.
edwin
Strange, because I disable the card and fR says it cannot find license server. The computers are not firewalled.
Nonetheless, here's a test:
big image link (http://www.jase.ca/content/forumpost/finalrender/fr2_prms_test_04.jpg)
Thalaxis
11-22-2005, 08:38 PM
Strange, because I disable the card and fR says it cannot find license server. The computers are not firewalled.
Is the ethernet adapter you tied the license to also the machine's only adapter, or does it have another wired adapter?
Just trying to make sure I understand your situation.
Is the ethernet adapter you tied the license to also the machine's only adapter, or does it have another wired adapter?
Just trying to make sure I understand your situation.
duderender
11-22-2005, 08:51 PM
Is the ethernet adapter you tied the license to also the machine's only adapter, or does it have another wired adapter?
Just trying to make sure I understand your situation.
second adapter, the other is wired.
I went thru ip clamp and set the wired network card as data and the wireless for license.
Just trying to make sure I understand your situation.
second adapter, the other is wired.
I went thru ip clamp and set the wired network card as data and the wireless for license.
Thalaxis
11-22-2005, 09:41 PM
second adapter, the other is wired.
I went thru ip clamp and set the wired network card as data and the wireless for license.
That should be the correct setup to get you running without using the wireless adapter for networking. If that doesn't work, start by verifying your network and ipclamp setup, restart ipclamp, and hopefully you can get the whole thing working that way, so you won't have to worry about wireless network dropouts hosing your distributed renders.
I went thru ip clamp and set the wired network card as data and the wireless for license.
That should be the correct setup to get you running without using the wireless adapter for networking. If that doesn't work, start by verifying your network and ipclamp setup, restart ipclamp, and hopefully you can get the whole thing working that way, so you won't have to worry about wireless network dropouts hosing your distributed renders.
dann_stubbs
11-23-2005, 12:12 AM
Maya is probably still using a version of FlexLM, which used to require a NIC. It's most likely written to support both a NIC and a dongle; AFAIK the Rainbow dongles have some form of encrypted serial number on them, rather than a MAC address. I'm pretty sure none of my dongles will work since I don't have Maya or anything like it, so we won't know for sure until you try your experiment, I think :)
aww... well i did try it tonight - and nope the maya usb hardware key did not show up. oh well i'm glad i didn't hope too much on that method. well, it was worth a shot. i still would have used a much cheaper USB adapter to keep it independent so no loss in the end.
dann
aww... well i did try it tonight - and nope the maya usb hardware key did not show up. oh well i'm glad i didn't hope too much on that method. well, it was worth a shot. i still would have used a much cheaper USB adapter to keep it independent so no loss in the end.
dann
Ernest Burden
11-23-2005, 05:41 AM
Here's an odd tidbit--it appears you cannot 'delete unused materials' if you have any fR2 materials in the list.
AdamT
11-23-2005, 05:45 AM
This may or may not be of comfort to y'all. The hard drive on my IPClamp machine died this morning, and after I installed a new drive and restored from backup (made before fR-2 installation), I was able to set up IPClamp again with no problems. FYI.
Yeah, I had a fun day. :(
Yeah, I had a fun day. :(
dann_stubbs
11-23-2005, 11:59 AM
This may or may not be of comfort to y'all. The hard drive on my IPClamp machine died this morning, and after I installed a new drive and restored from backup (made before fR-2 installation), I was able to set up IPClamp again with no problems. FYI.
Yeah, I had a fun day. :(
well glad to hear you had a backup - so many people just don't and that is so risky.
but as far as HD, i don't think that was the concern just locking to an onboard NIC (as most are these days) is the big concern, yeah motherboards don't die as often as HD, but they can, and the imovability of it was the bigger concern i think. the $20 USB adapter i used is working fine and will provide plenty of mobility for my needs as well as being much cheaper then a $150 hardware key from sentinel, so i'm pretty satisfied with the process and IPClamp seems to be a totally acceptible system. (i'm sure to those not accustomed to any hardware locking it is a bit foreign - but it does seem that is the future of most all products sadly)
dann
Yeah, I had a fun day. :(
well glad to hear you had a backup - so many people just don't and that is so risky.
but as far as HD, i don't think that was the concern just locking to an onboard NIC (as most are these days) is the big concern, yeah motherboards don't die as often as HD, but they can, and the imovability of it was the bigger concern i think. the $20 USB adapter i used is working fine and will provide plenty of mobility for my needs as well as being much cheaper then a $150 hardware key from sentinel, so i'm pretty satisfied with the process and IPClamp seems to be a totally acceptible system. (i'm sure to those not accustomed to any hardware locking it is a bit foreign - but it does seem that is the future of most all products sadly)
dann
Thalaxis
11-23-2005, 12:30 PM
aww... well i did try it tonight - and nope the maya usb hardware key did not show up. oh well i'm glad i didn't hope too much on that method. well, it was worth a shot. i still would have used a much cheaper USB adapter to keep it independent so no loss in the end.
Oh well... I'm glad the USB ethernet adatper approach works.
Oh well... I'm glad the USB ethernet adatper approach works.
AdamT
11-23-2005, 12:38 PM
well glad to hear you had a backup - so many people just don't and that is so risky.
Thanks. There were some scary moments; the software I'm using (Acronis 9.0) didn't want to restore the disk mirror from two DVDs. It finally worked when I put all the image files on a USB2 HD. I was totally dreading have to reinstall everything from scratch, when I just did it a few months ago. No clue why that 3-month-old Maxtor HD croaked on me. :/
Okay, sorry for the diversion.
Thanks. There were some scary moments; the software I'm using (Acronis 9.0) didn't want to restore the disk mirror from two DVDs. It finally worked when I put all the image files on a USB2 HD. I was totally dreading have to reinstall everything from scratch, when I just did it a few months ago. No clue why that 3-month-old Maxtor HD croaked on me. :/
Okay, sorry for the diversion.
Fre
11-23-2005, 12:56 PM
Thanks. There were some scary moments; the software I'm using (Acronis 9.0) didn't want to restore the disk mirror from two DVDs. It finally worked when I put all the image files on a USB2 HD. I was totally dreading have to reinstall everything from scratch, when I just did it a few months ago. No clue why that 3-month-old Maxtor HD croaked on me. :/
Okay, sorry for the diversion.
I've had 3 major maxtor hard disc crashes in 3 months (all 120 gig models), the oldest hard drive was 3 month.
They were all the same. It was a specific version of maxtor that seemed to give a lot of problems.
If you're unable to get all your files back, & your hard disc is still visible in your bios, then I might be able to help you to recover those files. hook me up (pm) for it.
Sorry to go offtopic.
Okay, sorry for the diversion.
I've had 3 major maxtor hard disc crashes in 3 months (all 120 gig models), the oldest hard drive was 3 month.
They were all the same. It was a specific version of maxtor that seemed to give a lot of problems.
If you're unable to get all your files back, & your hard disc is still visible in your bios, then I might be able to help you to recover those files. hook me up (pm) for it.
Sorry to go offtopic.
AdamT
11-23-2005, 01:03 PM
Aagh, that's not too encouraging. Mine was a 300MB ultra-SATA drive and unfortunately I replaced it with an identical model; my local CompUSA didn't have a competing brand in the same specs and I couldn't afford to wait for mailorder.
dann_stubbs
11-23-2005, 01:58 PM
Aagh, that's not too encouraging. Mine was a 300MB ultra-SATA drive and unfortunately I replaced it with an identical model; my local CompUSA didn't have a competing brand in the same specs and I couldn't afford to wait for mailorder.
mmmm... i don't want to spread any reliabilty rumors - but on my farm i make sure to not depend on solely one brand and also for testing reasons. but i build in lots - of ususally 4 or 5 with hard drives - so out of 40+ HD i have installed 3.5 years ago and running 24/7 (and under a usually pretty good heavy load) i've had 5 maxtors die and one WD. (other brands are IBM, seagate i use)
i prefer seagate and WD in that order. lately i do lean towards segate because they offer a 3 year warranty on most drives while most all others offer 1 year. granted it is not an emergency replacement (i always keep extra on hand anyway) but at least they will replace it should it fail in the time period.
some maxtors i have just keep going - but some don't. i use 4 or 5 of same model in the lots - and certain models seem to be less stable. but that is why backups are good - and that will be one nice thing adam - when you get your replacement drive back you can use it to keep future backups on.
oh, back to on topic
dann
mmmm... i don't want to spread any reliabilty rumors - but on my farm i make sure to not depend on solely one brand and also for testing reasons. but i build in lots - of ususally 4 or 5 with hard drives - so out of 40+ HD i have installed 3.5 years ago and running 24/7 (and under a usually pretty good heavy load) i've had 5 maxtors die and one WD. (other brands are IBM, seagate i use)
i prefer seagate and WD in that order. lately i do lean towards segate because they offer a 3 year warranty on most drives while most all others offer 1 year. granted it is not an emergency replacement (i always keep extra on hand anyway) but at least they will replace it should it fail in the time period.
some maxtors i have just keep going - but some don't. i use 4 or 5 of same model in the lots - and certain models seem to be less stable. but that is why backups are good - and that will be one nice thing adam - when you get your replacement drive back you can use it to keep future backups on.
oh, back to on topic
dann
Fre
11-23-2005, 02:44 PM
mmmm... i don't want to spread any reliabilty rumors - but on my farm i make sure to not depend on solely one brand and also for testing reasons. but i build in lots - of ususally 4 or 5 with hard drives - so out of 40+ HD i have installed 3.5 years ago and running 24/7 (and under a usually pretty good heavy load) i've had 5 maxtors die and one WD. (other brands are IBM, seagate i use)
i prefer seagate and WD in that order. lately i do lean towards segate because they offer a 3 year warranty on most drives while most all others offer 1 year. granted it is not an emergency replacement (i always keep extra on hand anyway) but at least they will replace it should it fail in the time period.
some maxtors i have just keep going - but some don't. i use 4 or 5 of same model in the lots - and certain models seem to be less stable. but that is why backups are good - and that will be one nice thing adam - when you get your replacement drive back you can use it to keep future backups on.
oh, back to on topic
dann
exactly the same thoughts.
I had 5 maxtor 120 gig drives, all the same model, 2 of the same version (oldest ones, 3 years old) that keep on running without any problem (3 of the latest version) that all crashed within 3 months.
I've had never any problems with my seagate harddrives & never with my ibm drives.
now ... really back to topic :D
i prefer seagate and WD in that order. lately i do lean towards segate because they offer a 3 year warranty on most drives while most all others offer 1 year. granted it is not an emergency replacement (i always keep extra on hand anyway) but at least they will replace it should it fail in the time period.
some maxtors i have just keep going - but some don't. i use 4 or 5 of same model in the lots - and certain models seem to be less stable. but that is why backups are good - and that will be one nice thing adam - when you get your replacement drive back you can use it to keep future backups on.
oh, back to on topic
dann
exactly the same thoughts.
I had 5 maxtor 120 gig drives, all the same model, 2 of the same version (oldest ones, 3 years old) that keep on running without any problem (3 of the latest version) that all crashed within 3 months.
I've had never any problems with my seagate harddrives & never with my ibm drives.
now ... really back to topic :D
Incarnadine
11-23-2005, 05:05 PM
I was actually in the process of buying a 120Gb Maxtor when it failed. They (my local h/w shop) were in the middle of ghosting a copy of my data onto the new data drive when it just stopped and would not restart.
talos72
11-23-2005, 07:15 PM
Sorry to further the HD issues, but just last night my father's external WD drive started acting up. The files seem to be there, but you simply can't see them...weird (because when I check how full the disk is, it says there is like 30 gigs of info on the HD). On top of that, when we create new file on the HD, some literally just disappear after a few seconds. I kid you not. I assume the files are there but the HD is just acting weird. I had another extrernal HD (exact WD model) also that just died on me. So I am not sure what brand HD is good and if it is common for them to choke after a year or so. I appreciate some feedback about recovering files and recommendations.
Sorry about the diggression...back to topic.
Sorry about the diggression...back to topic.
AdamT
11-23-2005, 07:41 PM
Actually, I have an external Maxtor drive that's been great. :shrug:
dann_stubbs
11-23-2005, 08:02 PM
Actually, I have an external Maxtor drive that's been great. :shrug:
yeah i've got 12 other with no problems. seems just some models are. ibm had a lot of bad drives with a certain size of their deskstar brand - other sizes no problem, but it was enough in the server world that it earned them the brand name of deathstar. it also damaged their reputation enough they sold their HDD business a couple years later. i guess a high up ibm executive saying in public response to the failure rate that "the drives weren't made to be used 24/7" (i'm paraphrasing can't remember the article from 2001 or so) but not a great endorsement for a drive in a lot of servers
http://www.ibmdeskstar75gxplitigation.com/faqs.asp
but it just seems that some batches or some models have issues - others from the same manufacturer run forever. the lesson is always backup : )
dann
yeah i've got 12 other with no problems. seems just some models are. ibm had a lot of bad drives with a certain size of their deskstar brand - other sizes no problem, but it was enough in the server world that it earned them the brand name of deathstar. it also damaged their reputation enough they sold their HDD business a couple years later. i guess a high up ibm executive saying in public response to the failure rate that "the drives weren't made to be used 24/7" (i'm paraphrasing can't remember the article from 2001 or so) but not a great endorsement for a drive in a lot of servers
http://www.ibmdeskstar75gxplitigation.com/faqs.asp
but it just seems that some batches or some models have issues - others from the same manufacturer run forever. the lesson is always backup : )
dann
flingster
11-24-2005, 07:29 PM
a few years ago about i worked on a big project where they used mainly WD and seagate drives..with some other stuff...and out of a project that lasted few years. they had about 1200 distributed unix boxes and we'd hot swap failed boxes...by far i would take seagate over all other drives not that the others were bad just that seagates were better or at least less failures on them...as i say whether this has any relevance on todays manufacturing process can't say..
lllab
11-24-2005, 07:41 PM
well i had several! dead-crashed with seagate- never buy them again....
so i guess everyone has his own experience. i think it can happen with almost any drive.
stefan
so i guess everyone has his own experience. i think it can happen with almost any drive.
stefan
Chadman
11-24-2005, 07:43 PM
Here's an odd tidbit--it appears you cannot 'delete unused materials' if you have any fR2 materials in the list.
Hi Ernest, yeah FR2 doesn't support it at the moment which is a bit odd, but they do state it in manual so at least it's not one of those things that they haven't mentioned so you don't know if you are doing something wrong it is in fact a bug
Chad P.
Hi Ernest, yeah FR2 doesn't support it at the moment which is a bit odd, but they do state it in manual so at least it's not one of those things that they haven't mentioned so you don't know if you are doing something wrong it is in fact a bug
Chad P.
Ernest Burden
11-24-2005, 07:45 PM
Hi Ernest, yeah FR2 doesn't support it at the moment which is a bit odd
I missed that in the manual pages, I guess. Thanks. But it's one thing for a plug-in to not support a C4D feature, but another if it eliminates a core function.
I missed that in the manual pages, I guess. Thanks. But it's one thing for a plug-in to not support a C4D feature, but another if it eliminates a core function.
dann_stubbs
11-24-2005, 10:01 PM
I missed that in the manual pages, I guess. Thanks. But it's one thing for a plug-in to not support a C4D feature, but another if it eliminates a core function.
i have to give manual another read through (wish it was a PDF would be easier or me) but is there a way to have the master computer NOT be a part of the DR rendering other then controlling it? i'd rather it spend it's time on the distribution among other things.
(or is that how it works and i missed it?) but it seems it renders as well then shares out the remaining DR spots.
dann
i have to give manual another read through (wish it was a PDF would be easier or me) but is there a way to have the master computer NOT be a part of the DR rendering other then controlling it? i'd rather it spend it's time on the distribution among other things.
(or is that how it works and i missed it?) but it seems it renders as well then shares out the remaining DR spots.
dann
lllab
11-24-2005, 10:43 PM
Hi Dann,
yes this would be nice to be able, but all DR systems i know (vray, brazil, and FR for max) need the mastercomputer incuded.
i am quite sure this is the same with FR2 if they havent found a very new way to do DR. for future development this would be a very interesting option.
on the other ahnd it is very cool to just use your master as your main machine and render things 10times faster as normal.
i think for the longer rendertimes(animatgions) it is better to use NET with FR- the bad thing it costs more licenses.
cheers
stefan
yes this would be nice to be able, but all DR systems i know (vray, brazil, and FR for max) need the mastercomputer incuded.
i am quite sure this is the same with FR2 if they havent found a very new way to do DR. for future development this would be a very interesting option.
on the other ahnd it is very cool to just use your master as your main machine and render things 10times faster as normal.
i think for the longer rendertimes(animatgions) it is better to use NET with FR- the bad thing it costs more licenses.
cheers
stefan
duderender
11-25-2005, 04:33 AM
i have to give manual another read through (wish it was a PDF would be easier or me) but is there a way to have the master computer NOT be a part of the DR rendering other then controlling it? i'd rather it spend it's time on the distribution among other things.
(or is that how it works and i missed it?) but it seems it renders as well then shares out the remaining DR spots.
dann
ummm, don't you just take it out of the slave list?
(or is that how it works and i missed it?) but it seems it renders as well then shares out the remaining DR spots.
dann
ummm, don't you just take it out of the slave list?
lllab
11-25-2005, 08:33 AM
no, you never are allowed to use the main machine as a slave., but it is used as master. as far as i have read from edwin it is not possible to not use the master.
cheers
stefan
cheers
stefan
philhoole
11-25-2005, 10:59 AM
When I first configured DR I just assumed that the master should be in the list of machines to be used in the DR and it appeared to work OK. But, I got a lot of crashes.
I then learned that the master will always be part of the DR and should not be added in the DR manager panel . I now get a lot less crashes. i don't think it's possible for the master to not be part of the DR.
Phil
I then learned that the master will always be part of the DR and should not be added in the DR manager panel . I now get a lot less crashes. i don't think it's possible for the master to not be part of the DR.
Phil
lllab
11-25-2005, 12:21 PM
Dann- a solution i found when it is about keep working on the master machine:
i set in the FR settings to low priority thread when using DR.
with this i can have running a DR rendering, keep working in cinema and even do something in photoshop.
the speed is still very high with all dr engines together.
cheers
stefan
i set in the FR settings to low priority thread when using DR.
with this i can have running a DR rendering, keep working in cinema and even do something in photoshop.
the speed is still very high with all dr engines together.
cheers
stefan
jph
11-25-2005, 01:14 PM
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duderender
11-25-2005, 04:31 PM
no, you never are allowed to use the main machine as a slave., but it is used as master. as far as i have read from edwin it is not possible to not use the master.
cheers
stefan
hmm, cuz mine shows in the slave list for DR. I thought for DR if you remove the main machine it would not be used.
cheers
stefan
hmm, cuz mine shows in the slave list for DR. I thought for DR if you remove the main machine it would not be used.
dann_stubbs
11-25-2005, 05:01 PM
hmm, cuz mine shows in the slave list for DR. I thought for DR if you remove the main machine it would not be used.
from my thoughts the reason many have crashes when adding the master workstation to the slave list is then it is probably trying to run two instances of the render which would make out of memory errors much easier and crashes much more frequent.
since you have to manually add any slaves to the DR list i would guess you just added yours to the list. the reason i was asking is the PC i had to run the DR management is a single processor XP2400 where all my render cpus are X2 so i'd like to keep all the X2's on the render. it doesn't seem FR2 is too picky about mixing processors but old habits are hard to break.
i did not add my master to the DR list and i can see it's bucket as it is a bit slower then the others as well.
dann
from my thoughts the reason many have crashes when adding the master workstation to the slave list is then it is probably trying to run two instances of the render which would make out of memory errors much easier and crashes much more frequent.
since you have to manually add any slaves to the DR list i would guess you just added yours to the list. the reason i was asking is the PC i had to run the DR management is a single processor XP2400 where all my render cpus are X2 so i'd like to keep all the X2's on the render. it doesn't seem FR2 is too picky about mixing processors but old habits are hard to break.
i did not add my master to the DR list and i can see it's bucket as it is a bit slower then the others as well.
dann
duderender
11-25-2005, 07:47 PM
i did not add my master to the DR list and i can see it's bucket as it is a bit slower then the others as well.
dann
Interesting. I shall try this then. I have had zero crashes with 9.1 and fR. Only 9.5 had issues with fR but now 9.52 hasn't yet but I will try my 'trouble' scene on 9.52 tonight.
dann
Interesting. I shall try this then. I have had zero crashes with 9.1 and fR. Only 9.5 had issues with fR but now 9.52 hasn't yet but I will try my 'trouble' scene on 9.52 tonight.
Ernest Burden
11-26-2005, 01:21 AM
The learning goes on, as does this blog-like thread.
I handed in my first project rendered with fR2 today. It was the last of 5 renderings, the first 4 having been done with AR. I had some problems, some things that slowed me down. But rendering was not one of them. Other than the DR-related crashes, the rendering went pleasantly quickly. My scene was reasonably simple compared to the others in the series, and at 3000 x 1666 it rendered in about 2 hours 45. AR, with my same setups, has been taking many times that. Meaning whatever level of optomization I have is what fR2 had to deal with.
I'll post the image if I can, not sure yet as the design is still non-public. Unfortunately, this space is under-developed and the client insisted on a view angle that I didn't think was best. But, after about 8 variations, they insisted. So I'm frustrated with the view itself and the low amount of design, but it rendered well and quickly, and I have submitted a final invoice.
I handed in my first project rendered with fR2 today. It was the last of 5 renderings, the first 4 having been done with AR. I had some problems, some things that slowed me down. But rendering was not one of them. Other than the DR-related crashes, the rendering went pleasantly quickly. My scene was reasonably simple compared to the others in the series, and at 3000 x 1666 it rendered in about 2 hours 45. AR, with my same setups, has been taking many times that. Meaning whatever level of optomization I have is what fR2 had to deal with.
I'll post the image if I can, not sure yet as the design is still non-public. Unfortunately, this space is under-developed and the client insisted on a view angle that I didn't think was best. But, after about 8 variations, they insisted. So I'm frustrated with the view itself and the low amount of design, but it rendered well and quickly, and I have submitted a final invoice.
Continuumx
11-26-2005, 01:34 AM
The learning goes on, as does this blog-like thread.
I handed in my first project rendered with fR2 today. It was the last of 5 renderings, the first 4 having been done with AR. I had some problems, some things that slowed me down. But rendering was not one of them. Other than the DR-related crashes, the rendering went pleasantly quickly. My scene was reasonably simple compared to the others in the series, and at 3000 x 1666 it rendered in about 2 hours 45. AR, with my same setups, has been taking many times that. Meaning whatever level of optomization I have is what fR2 had to deal with.
I'll post the image if I can, not sure yet as the design is still non-public. Unfortunately, this space is under-developed and the client insisted on a view angle that I didn't think was best. But, after about 8 variations, they insisted. So I'm frustrated with the view itself and the low amount of design, but it rendered well and quickly, and I have submitted a final invoice.
I would be pleased to see any more results you have Ernest, as the scale of work you perform is a good indicator how well FR2 stacks up in performance in terms of rendering size, scene complexity and geometry.
I handed in my first project rendered with fR2 today. It was the last of 5 renderings, the first 4 having been done with AR. I had some problems, some things that slowed me down. But rendering was not one of them. Other than the DR-related crashes, the rendering went pleasantly quickly. My scene was reasonably simple compared to the others in the series, and at 3000 x 1666 it rendered in about 2 hours 45. AR, with my same setups, has been taking many times that. Meaning whatever level of optomization I have is what fR2 had to deal with.
I'll post the image if I can, not sure yet as the design is still non-public. Unfortunately, this space is under-developed and the client insisted on a view angle that I didn't think was best. But, after about 8 variations, they insisted. So I'm frustrated with the view itself and the low amount of design, but it rendered well and quickly, and I have submitted a final invoice.
I would be pleased to see any more results you have Ernest, as the scale of work you perform is a good indicator how well FR2 stacks up in performance in terms of rendering size, scene complexity and geometry.
Ernest Burden
11-26-2005, 02:19 PM
I would be pleased to see any more results you have Ernest, as the scale of work you perform is a good indicator how well FR2 stacks up in performance in terms of rendering size, scene complexity and geometry.
Thanks. However this image happens to be on the 'light' side for content and complexity. It just happened to be next needing delivery. I will do some urban shots, one aerial next week. That should be more informative.
The one I just handed in may be made public next week, so I would be able to post it then. I could probably get away with it now, since this view does not show the clients logo or what the building looks like (its a cafeteria), but until I am paid I don't want to give my client any new reasons to be annoyed with me.
Thanks. However this image happens to be on the 'light' side for content and complexity. It just happened to be next needing delivery. I will do some urban shots, one aerial next week. That should be more informative.
The one I just handed in may be made public next week, so I would be able to post it then. I could probably get away with it now, since this view does not show the clients logo or what the building looks like (its a cafeteria), but until I am paid I don't want to give my client any new reasons to be annoyed with me.
marshalartist
11-28-2005, 07:03 PM
Note to all: you have to unblock port 6000 in your firewall(s) to get distributed rendering to work.
How do you do this and where do you do it, on the slaves the server or the router?
thanks,
Peter
How do you do this and where do you do it, on the slaves the server or the router?
thanks,
Peter
Thalaxis
11-28-2005, 07:08 PM
The slaves. If you're on XP with the personal firewall enabled, just start up the slave in a command line and read the dialog that the firewall puts up. Select "unblock" and it will open up the relevant port for you.
marshalartist
11-28-2005, 07:52 PM
The slaves. If you're on XP with the personal firewall enabled, just start up the slave in a command line and read the dialog that the firewall puts up. Select "unblock" and it will open up the relevant port for you.
sorry you are talking to a reluctant PC user, I do not know what a command line is. Has it got something to do with Run in the start menu?
sorry you are talking to a reluctant PC user, I do not know what a command line is. Has it got something to do with Run in the start menu?
Thalaxis
11-28-2005, 08:16 PM
In this case, it's even easier. Just go to start -> Cebas software -> frStation command line
and fRstation and the personal firewall will take care of the rest for you.
and fRstation and the personal firewall will take care of the rest for you.
marshalartist
11-28-2005, 08:46 PM
That did it thanks a lot! :thumbsup:
Thalaxis
11-28-2005, 08:48 PM
No problem!
Ernest Burden
12-01-2005, 03:37 PM
When its not crashing my W2K slave machine, this engine is getting to be a joy to work with.
Skylight only (not physical sky) render in fR2, rendered in 7mins-20sec with default AA on:
http://www.oreally.com/temp/FR2skylight.jpg
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Skylight only (not physical sky) render in fR2, rendered in 7mins-20sec with default AA on:
http://www.oreally.com/temp/FR2skylight.jpg
.
mindful108
12-01-2005, 07:28 PM
Thanks for posting the pic EB.
It's good to see some images and to hear about the usability and speed of FR. I have pre-ordered the OS X version and I am not too sure that I can afford it now and so I am on the fence. I haven't followed this thread fully since it doesn't apply to me and the Mac version, however I would really like to hear more about the experience of folks and to see more images that utilize the shader tree and some more complex scenes and materials.
My main concern is to be able to use FR on my laptop and my desktop without a hassle, as well as (of course) ease of use and speed.
...
It's good to see some images and to hear about the usability and speed of FR. I have pre-ordered the OS X version and I am not too sure that I can afford it now and so I am on the fence. I haven't followed this thread fully since it doesn't apply to me and the Mac version, however I would really like to hear more about the experience of folks and to see more images that utilize the shader tree and some more complex scenes and materials.
My main concern is to be able to use FR on my laptop and my desktop without a hassle, as well as (of course) ease of use and speed.
...
talos72
12-02-2005, 05:32 PM
Well, I can tell you that FR is pretty fast (considerably faster than AR) on my Dell Inspiron laptop, at least based on some quick test renders I have done. It is cool seeing the render bucket just blazing accross the viewport. Also, I must admit it has some subtle nice qualities that make it stand out when I compare the same scene with an AR render. I haven't even begun scratching the surface as I am trying to learn too many pieces of software at the same time!:D
As far as the licensing stuff, Cebas is apparently working on trying to streamline it for usage between machines sharing a license.
As far as the licensing stuff, Cebas is apparently working on trying to streamline it for usage between machines sharing a license.
duderender
12-02-2005, 06:00 PM
As far as the licensing stuff, Cebas is apparently working on trying to streamline it for usage between machines sharing a license.
I hope so. I was reluctant to tie the license to my laptop as that will get replaced when it no longer serves travelling purposes.
I hope so. I was reluctant to tie the license to my laptop as that will get replaced when it no longer serves travelling purposes.
talos72
12-02-2005, 06:34 PM
Even now, worst case scenario you should still be able to switch machines for your license. I think you can request Cebas to send you a new license if you explain to them you are no longer using your laptop and need to change the machine the license is tied to. I tied my license to my laptop because I use it often and it seemed to be the easiest option without having to deal with extra dongles and usb attachments.
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