Now OPEN!!! Open Figure Drawing Workshop with Hong Ly and Rebecca Kimmel 002

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca

Another update

#1 Is your pick of last series
#2 Blocking in face with color values; also hand and forearms
#3 Blending and refining blocked in colors; trying to get a likeness by being true to details
#4 Put a light yellow tint using 'apply surface texture' setting in 'effects', Painter; acts like a glaze but uses light instead of paint; yellow used to unify colors, gets rid of blotchy appearance; also used spotlight to change background color, found in 'effects', Painter: enhances direction of lighting on figure just like in the movies, etc.
#5 Still exploring color of figure; still not sure; lot more details left to do in figure.

For background I am thinking of putting her on an arched tree branch, with monarch butterfly wings hanging down one on either side of round branch, with moss hanging from it, a green touch will go good with the purple I think. Haven't decided yet. Maybe misty jungley background, very vague so as not to distract from figure - atmospheric. Just a thought. Keep seeing it. So I better write it down.

Thanks everyone for the comments.
Have a bunch of my own comments but I don't type.
Mrs. Spirit Dreamer, my typist, says she might type them later tonight or tomorrow.

We shall see!
Take care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Nude_3_-_5.JPG

[pushav]

Nice job! Looking forward to more

[Rebeccak]

dbclemons,

This is looking really good so far! My only concern is with the tolerance of your paper for oil...did you prime it well with some type of gesso ground first? I assume you would have to, but I guess there are all sorts of approaches to handling materials out there...

Right now the major thing that stands out to me (and I am sure you will change things as you go along) is the fact that there is no real contrast tonally between the figure and the bkgrd ~ I'm sure you know you will have to darken the bkgrd quite a bit in order to make the figure really stand out. If you have not done so already, I would really recommend just going in there and covering the remaining canvas with the green you have now as a base tone, and then going in and darkening it when it dries.

Great work so far ~ proportionally things look great, I am sure you will make adjustments as you go along ~ so definitely look forward to updates! :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Gah!!! They're coming from everywhere!!! It's great guys, keep it up! :thumbsup:

Spirit Dreamer,

I have to say right off that I really like the color scheme of the first image best ~ it's rich yet subtle, and I think the last piece is a bit too glaring and a bit garish for me personally ~ but color, of course, is the easiest thing to change when working digitally.

With respect to form, I would say that her right leg in particular is looking rather too large. Notice how her upper thigh in your painting is bigger than her waist ~ the model's thighs are not that large. I am not against exaggeration, but here it seems a bit much. :)

With respect to the face, right now she has a bit of a painted dolls' look, which is due to the black outline around her eyes ~ this is causing her eyes to look as tho they are on a flat plane parallel to the picture plane, and you want them to feel more as tho they are following the curvature of the face.

Having said all of this, I know how rapidly things can change, and I'm sure you can see the things which need to be fixed as well as can I ~ so I really look forward to your next post! I would caution you not to go too crazy with the bkgrd in terms of colors ~ I would keep it to a 2-3 tone backdrop with slightly blurred silhouetted shapes so that it keeps things simple and focused on the figure.

Great work so far!! :thumbsup:

~Rebeccak

[Llynna]

@spirit dreamer: i really like the third one :), it has this faint metallic look.

@rebecca: before i did the colours i made a copy of the painting :). i also have the more important layers in greyscale under the colour layer to be able to look on them every time i want. the lightning setup is on a different layer, i just forgot to blend it in ;). hopefully i will finish this one tomorrow

[dbclemons]

Have no fear, Rebeccak, the paper has been properly treated and prepared. Paper is not ideal for oils, but when sized and gesso'd properly, it's fairly safe to use. I have a whole stack that I prepared some time ago just for painting, mainly for studies. A friend of mine recommends just a coat of matte medium on both sides, but I'm not sure about that. Mounting it to hardboard, as I've done here, makes the surface all the more sturdy.

The background will be changing shortly, as will the rest of it. In fact, it's time for another go at it.

-David

[Samanthie]

Hi guys. This is not finished but wanted to post my updated version..

Bwdermawan..thank you for your crits and I agree with you about the ear. I worked a little more on that area but not finished yet. Your image looks great so far.

Rebecca..Thank you. I have been doing much more on this today. I found that when I began to add details I found that my drawing of her was 'way' off and had to do some adjustments. The arm is still not right but at least I am beginning to notice when something is off. :) I still have edges to define. The foot you posted looks very good.

Lemog..Thank you for your comments. Your image is beautiful, very smooth. I don't see anything that I can crit for you yet.

Arctis..thank you and your image is also coming along very nicely. I like it very much so far.

Allenati..Very nice drawing, looking forward to the painting.

Pushav..like your lighting so far, nice warmth on the light areas.

Andyonahill..I like the style you chose and am looking forward to seeing more.

Bsmith..Welcome to you! Great start.:)

Llynna..love your roman style room. It's very fitting for the figure. Great colors.

Spirit Dreamer..I really like the third version and the coloring there.

dbClemons..Nice oils and a great start.

[Rebeccak]

Samanthie,

WOW!!! This is looking really great!!! :thumbsup: I really love the sense of mood suffused throughout your piece, and the body so far is coming along fabulously! Congratulations!! :)

Overall, things are looking great. :) One comment I would have though is that while the body looks amazing ~ very naturalistic, relaxed, and very well~rendered ~ the face looks a bit more cartoonish and flat ~ I think if you worked to get the face to the same level of realism as the body, you will be in really great shape as far as the figure goes. I am really impressed with this, and kudos to you for learning to spot and correct mistakes...that's essentially what these Workshops are about, anyway, learning to SEE properly. Fantastic job, and I look forward to seeing your update! :bounce:

And thank you for all the great comments on everyones' work! :thumbsup:

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[Samanthie]

:bounce: Thank you so much Rebecca! I'll work with her face tomorrow.:)

[jcmars]

Hello. I'm relatively new to this forum, and to CG art in general. I've recently acquired a graphics tablet, so I'm still in the process of learning how to use these tools. I'm more of a traditional painter. My preferred medium is acrylics, and subject matter is figurative (of course). I'm trying to refine my CG skills (and my skills in general), and it looks like this forum is a great community to do that in.

I used a Graphire 3 tablet and PS7 for this piece. Time spent: about a week of evenings.

I am planning to refine some of the less-detailed areas, including her right foot and her ear. I tried to challenge myself with this painting to create believable flesh tones, as I generally paint with a very sparse pallette.

High resolution image here: Figure 2 (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/sevenmars/Fig2HighRes2.jpg)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/sevenmars/Fig2lowres.jpg

[Lemog]

Llynna -> Thanks to add high res, very praticle to feel the progress... finally, I think that's a good thing you change for color version, that will be in total adequacy with the subject and your interpretation. :bounce:



Bsmith -> Welcome here too... I hope to see more of your drawing here... do you planed to finish this one with a color numerical version ? :)



dbclemons -> good oil painting approach... as Rebecca, I'm a little surprise by your support to paint... I had never tested this technique. The proportions of the body seem very correct. I'm rather curious to see the result for the background, because for the moment, the contrast of tone is very strong. :cool:



Spirit Dreamer -> I like much your steps of research, it's certainly a very good thing. I would have perhaps tried to do it upstream. Generally, I work environment, mood and colorimetry at the end, but never or seldom during the realization. The #5 appear very hard... between #3 and #4 allows a good relationship between detail and luminous originality. ;)



Samanthie -> the projection is always also soft, and certainly will take us along in the lymbes. Take care to the contrast of aspect between the face very well defined and the body which is much more vaporous, but I know that it's not finished yet, then I would await the continuation. :drool:



SevenMars -> I'm speechless JC... whaouw... apart from certain parts which are a little too marked, as under the coasts, interior of the left arm, the carotid or the forced shapes of the left leg, and a difference of size between the nipples, it's really brilliant. I'm deafened by your style and your already great control of the tablet. I'm in admiration of the face and the hair. It's already very great art. :arteest: :arteest: :arteest: :arteest: :arteest:

[Rebeccak]

I've got gangrene!!! :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Open%20Figure%20DrawingWkshp_002/lil-progress_11.jpg

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

@Lemog,

Great comments! :thumbsup:

@SevenMars,

Welcome to the forum! :) Fantastic work!! As Lemog says, we are all drooling over the beauty of this piece! I would love it if you would post some of your traditional work in the appropriate threads here on the Anatomy Forum...that would be great!! :thumbsup: Thanks for posting your work, it's great to have you here! :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebecca

[Lemog]

Rebeccak -> now, foot appears a little bit very dark, another effect of the gangrene... I don't know if it's due to the background, but the left leg appear very flat now... or my old eyes ?
The good thing to be retained, it's that you work on your image, it's essential !

Well, yesterday I play a little with my previous picture, and I do some test... I just want to display this one, I like it, simple but attractive (for me... :scream: ), and terribly graphic...


http://lemog.club.fr/wip/body.jpg

[gpepper]

it is getting better and better every day ! :thumbsup:

[Rebeccak]

Lemog,
WOW!!! :bounce::bounce::bounce:Beautiful work!!! Go Lemog ~ it's your birthday!!! :thumbsup:

~Rebeccak

[zhuzhu]

already page 18~?! dammmmmmmmmmm, i have miss so much pages! all great works everyone~! i bought a new scaner today.ha ha~~~ can't wait to try it, it get better results than old one. i think i will do more paper work.


[no.2] watercolor on watercolor paper


http://usera.imagecave.com/zhuzhu/2ofd02.jpg

[Bsmith]

Bsmith -> Welcome here too... I hope to see more of your drawing here... do you planed to finish this one with a color numerical version ? :)



Um I might try to do a digital painting, but I have really no experience with digital art yet, but I do plan on getting good at it. Right now I'm so busy with work and school stuff I don't have the time to draw very much.

[Rebeccak]

zhuzhu,

Can only take a 2 second look at your piece, but it's great to see you back in full force, and it's neat to see you working in a traditional medium as well! :thumbsup: I'd say you had a lot of catching up to do, but since I am apparently the world's slowest painter, I am sure you will have no problem, lol!!! :scream:

Bsmith,

Practice here, get good, bring your friends, cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[PSR]

Wow, brilliant to see the progress of everyone's work. And to see so many more joining in.

Really wonderful work going on here.

Arctis, hat off to you, both poses done already and amazing quality.

Andyonahill, Very refreshing and dynamic, I'm looking forward to seeing more updates to this.

There's just too many new works to comment on all, but welcome to all who have joined in.

I've had a chance to update my effort today. Worked on the near leg and foot, a little on the face and the background. I've also tried my hand at some blending with the Smudge Tool. I can't bring myself to make it completely smooth though.

Unless something seems completely offensive, I don't think I'll do any more to this, it must be nearly time for the next poses. I've learned a real lot taking part in this, many thanks.

[Rebeccak]

PSR,

Can't do more than take a quick peek at your work (but I can't resist at least looking ;)), but from what I can tell, your work looks really solid! I would say that her thigh looks a bit thicker than the model's, but of course I encourage artistic license, and we all see and interpret the same things differently, so it really doesn't bother me much. Will do a better crit later, in the meantime, I hope others will jump in here to pick up the slack! :)

Thank you for your participation and for posting this, and I really hope you will be joining us for OFDW 003, to be starting Sunday or Monday! :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[pushav]

Rebecca-Her knee on her left leg (the leg furthest away from the viewer) looks funny. Here shin sticks out further than her knee. Keep up the good work.

I've got gangrene!!! :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Open%20Figure%20DrawingWkshp_002/lil-progress_11.jpg

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

pushav,

Will bear in mind! ;)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

zhuzhu -> I've just discover 2 days ago you "super dollfie"... and I fall in the charm of your art... with this new drawing, in watercolor... you confirm your talent.

It's really very pleasant to see, and the watercolour is really well used, beautiful control.

Many touches of different colors to arrive at a beautiful coherence, very nervous, and very controlled, the bet are gained, very impressive. :bowdown:



PSR -> it's your choice, you can stop now... I regret a little, that according certain parts of the picture, the level of detail is lttle different, it's only a personal taste I think.

But nevertheless, we have a beautiful coloremetric unity which makes a work really pleasant to be see, which is most important. :thumbsup:

[Rebeccak]

Yep. It's official. I'm a Francophile! :scream:

[Lemog]

Yep. It's official. I'm a Francophile!
:scream: hahahahaha... but where is *France* ? :curious:

:beer:

[Rebeccak]

Hmm...has it gone missing? :curious: :scream:

[pushav]

<--------Will draw for food?

:bounce:

Hotter than a midwestern summer....

Hmm......

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[Rebeccak]

/\ Must draw first in order to get food ;)

[pushav]

/\ Must draw first in order to get food ;)

Lol! I left myself open on that one.
Off to class...... Then updating my greyscale image.

Rebecca- I am shocked. Are you spamming with me;)
If so ...........:buttrock:.

[Rebeccak]

No. ;) Ok ~ no more spam for either of us. *really*.

Cheers! :)

[Arctis]

Hey,

I realized Ihaven't post any WIP, so here it is :

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/Arctis/WNu1WIP.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/Arctis/Nu1Peinture.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/Arctis/WNu2WIP.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/Arctis/Nu2Peinture.jpg

I've modified the 2nd pose (legs longer) thanx to a good remark made yesterday. ;) ; I also refined Background of the first.

[Rebeccak]

Arctis,
AWESOME!!! :bounce:Thanks for posting this! :thumbsup: Can't really look at it closely, lol, but from what I have seen, it looks fantastic!!! (I am like a stealth critiquer, hahaha ;))

Will definitely check it out more closely later! :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[Arctis]

Samanthie : hey, it's coming along nicely. Maybe still too blured for me yet. Keep it up ;)

Sevenmars : strong painting ; however I would simplify her hair and the background ; I also
would smooth her torso just above her breast, and strengthen a bit the contrast. :)

Rebecca : Thanx, and very nice progression on your painting : I like the way you stylise the pose, and still always understand it from the inside. Cool work, and wonder how's gonna the colors :)

Lemog : nice experiment : I always enjoy highly contrasted picture ;)

Zhuzhu : lovely use of watercolor (a difficult technique). I personnaly don't see her foot enough, though.

PSR : great start : I especially like the foot. It's a shame you don't work on it anymore.

[Rebeccak]

Arctis,

Thank you! :) And thank you for these comments! Everyone is doing such a great job of critiquing each other...I'm so proud! *tear* :thumbsup:

~Rebeccak

[Bsmith]

Wow, not quite sure at what point this went to hell. This looks terrible. It looks even worse after I scanned it. I'll be doing it over...maybe digital...

http://www.creativespot.org/post/data/500/medium/scan0002.jpg

[PSR]

Arctis, it's great to see your wip. Are they pencil drawings that you started with? If so, it's very nice to see, your process.

Thank you Rebaccak, Lemog and Arctis, for your comments. Maybe I'll make the next one a bit more refined, if I can. But I find it very difficult to cover my tracks, so to speak. I do love mark making, all be it virtual ones with PS.

Also there's the difficulty of using photographs as figure reference. I mean the danger of creating a still life of a photograph, rather than a figure study. A pitfall that everyone on this thread has very skillfully avoided falling into.

I'm sure I'll get there, with your help.

[Rebeccak]

Gotta run, be back to post comments a bit later... :)

[PSR]

Actually Bsmith it doesn't look terrible at all. It has a very Expressionist feel to it, reminds me of the work of Ernst Ludwig Kirchner.

A bit more tonal range would give it a bit more punch, try a softer pencil on the back ground. And you've squeezed yourself a bit tightly on the page, causing you to make the foot, and perhaps the head a little small. Otherwise very striking composition and nice marks.

If you want to go for more realism. Definitely go digital, you can then set up reference on separate layers to keep you in proportion

[Bsmith]

thanks. actually my scanner is what cropped the image a little tight.

yeah I'll prolly definitely try digital now and see how that goes. but I still feel worthless if I can't draw with a pencil so I have to continue with that medium as well.

[AndyDay]

Here's my attempt. This is my first digital painting (I usually draw with pencils). I made a pencil sketch, scanned it and painted in Photoshop. I'd like to add more details, but at the moment I am spent! So far I've spent 6 or 7 hours on it.

[Bsmith]

looks ggod for being your first digital painting.I would try to define the foot a little more...for some reason that was the most distracting part. Don't really know what else to say but good job and keep going.

[dbclemons]

Lovely watercolor, Zhu. Very exciting.

Here's the latest state of my painting. Went for an "outdoorsy" look."

http://www.dbclemons.com/tutorials/wkshp02_02D.JPG


-David

[Bsmith]

wow db.....that looks awesome. The colors are awesome. Everything looks good to me.

[Samanthie]

Hi,
Well I have spent more time on this today. Much more done to define edges, face and hair. I also need to add a few more shadows. All for today.

SevenMars...excellent image and lots of personality too.

Lemog..thanks again. I tried to do what you suggested and balance between face and body.
Your image is awesome. Maybe on the lower back of lower leg it looks a little thin above the ankle.

Arctis..It's great to see the wip images as well. Finals look great. Thanks for your comment on mine. I worked to define edges today. Still working on it but have to stop for today.:)

Lots of really great image posted in this thread. I've looked at each one. Amazing how different we all see the images. Great work everyone!

[b2dermawan]

are u kidding me?? page 20 already?? gee you guys are like supertrains!

hope i got'em in the right order:

allenatl: hey thanks man, and hey that's a very effective sketch!, and have seen to what you've achieved on your first figure, this undoubtedly will be a blast! can't wait till it colored. if i may give a 2-cents, be careful when doin her neck, look carefully where and how their lines curves to avoid "thick-neck" looks (i've done my part on lots of hours of paint and re-painting, for the very mistakes).

pushav: sweet, looks like you've got all the proportion right and i like your daring take with diff color. if i may suggest perhaps to fill in your bg. while using black will give us most contrast, it doesnt't help on creating enviromental effects toward the figure, esp when you're doing a painting approach, where skin colors are direct dependant to their enviromental colors (eg source of lights), also your bg will help you picking your value range (from your darkest to highlights) moreover, it also will give you more color blending opportunities to create those bridge and "subtle" values. You might also want to read "donseeg" tips on his way to paint bg and main fig simultanously in class 01, very informative imho.

artic 1: thanks, and wow that looks amazing! love your use of colors, and contrasts quality in it. my 2-cents if you don't mind, her head proportion looks a lil'bit to big to the rest of the body, and her left foot (the one in behind) its shape -esp the big toe- looks off a lil bit. but off-course they don't really effect the overall quality of the pic. great job again.

Llynna: wow it all comes up very nicely, keep updating. it's always a good thing to make up your mind about your bg first, like you did here, as the rest will follow quite smoothly.

bsmith: hey nice start man. keep doing it is the key and welcome to the class.

dbclemons 1: cool stuff, the colors look wonderful to me. be sure to keep updating.

Spirit Dreamer: inspiring stuffs as always. this's just my personal taste i guess, but i really love your process till step 4, but the last looks a-lil overburnt to me. then again maybe it's because the misty bg and you hasn't started on detailing yet. keep updating please.

SevenMars: whoa great stuff, totally awesome! my 2-cents, if you don't mind, is to study her neck's line, where they curves etc, so to make it more connected with the whole body. oh and welcome!!

Lemog: thanks. and great idea w/ do it in b/w, looks like you're getting mastery over values in light-speed. wow.

rebeccak: aww they're not for sale? just so you know, their price have risen quite a lot since the last bid (muahaha!). and great progress! the values are really coming up nicely, and everything's beginning to look more solid. you really are know what you're doing! more please!

zhuzhu: i dunno anyone who could do wc like that, just amazing man! there's no denial on your artistic values! my only crit, if u don't mind, is to be careful w/ her stomach shape and that area in general. in the ref, that area's heavily covered with watermarks, which can be quite misleading the values. and more please!

PSR: great work! everythings look nice to me, my suggestion, if you don mind, is to smooth the values-swith on her right foot (angkle-toes). can't wait your taking on the 2nd figure.

artic 2: whoa top-notch work!. great to see the way you develop your painting, very effective and carefully planned from the sketch. and the result is simply great. my only crit, if u don't mind, (for pic 1 - ref figure#2) is to be careful with the neck area esp their lines and curves (i sounded like a broken recorder) as it will determined how it's connected w/ the whole body.

AndyDay: your image doesn't load for me. must be my stupid server actin up again. welcome by the way.

dbclemons 2: wow you paint fast! and the result's much better than expected, and i thought that's impossible. good decision to add more contrast it's really working on bring those colors to life.

samanthie: thanks, and hey great result! love your soft-rendering style, and esp great rendering to the face.

wheoew, hopefully don't miss nobody. this thread is surely moving way too fast!
anyway, i think i have enough w/ mine as it took longer than expected. not exactly satisfied yet, but just run-out energy and perception r now. however if anyone have any pointers please do shoot them out, cause i certainly want to improve.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/bdermawan/class2try50.jpg

[nuch]

Here's mine. HB pencil drawing. 1 hour.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/nuchhub/CGtalk/anatomy02_2s.jpg

[pushav]

b2dermawan- Yep over 20 pages. well I set mine to veiw like 50 posts per page. So that means I have 6 pages. Lol. Pretty soon people will find out that Rebecca makes the hottest pages (Oh this is going to help you ego Becca:thumbsup: Smooth Compliment I know.:)) Thanks for the tips. You picture is nice. One crit is that you should try to define the background a little more. I will try to post an update soon. I got side track on working on my comic concept. Character designing is fun.

dbclemons-I'm felling that look of your painting.

zhuzhu-Nice work.

Arctis-Nice wip.

Spiritdreamer-I want to see your stuff finished. (I know I never finish my own work here. Lol. I am alsways working on something new.)

To all of thoose I've missed-KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!:bounce:

[mybutterflyiris]

oh no, whats this? I am expanding on the foot?!... run for your lives..jk. Anyways, this is a quick lay in...I figured I'd post before this got any further, so you can pick apart all my anatomical issues. Plus black and white is driving me crazy...so....i think i'm going to switch back to color...i don't know,things just seem clearer to me that way. anyways thanks for all your comments/suggestions already.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/mightyevilbunny/humananat1.jpg

[Rebeccak]

mybutterflyiris,
Lol!! Your figure has grown!!! :thumbsup: Congratulations on taking on the whole shebang!!! :)

If you prefer to work in color, then by all means do so. You seem to have a decent command of values (from what I could see in your color foot piece) so, *sigh* I will just have to let go and 'let', hahaha, you work in color. ;) Nah, it's really anyone's choice as to what they wish to do, but every painting course I've ever had works from black and white to limited pallette to full color ~ perhaps you need not repeat these things. :) Go for it!!! I can't wait to see your results! :thumbsup:

With respect to your current or future color version: my #1 recommendation would be to fill in the bkgrd with a 100% flat tone ~ keep it darker than the skin tone, and just go ahead and fill ALL of the canvas around the figure with this 100% tone. What this does is allow you to easily DRAW and correct proportions by just using two tones ~ one for the body, and one for the bkgrd ~ it's sort of like painting a silhouette at first. This allows you to see the BASIC SHAPES only, and to easily correct your drawing.

Another thing I would recommend is to occasionally flip both the reference photo and your painting 90 degrees clockwise ~ try working this way for a bit ~ I guarantee, it will significantly affect your perception.

Keep going with this, and definitely look forward to your updates! :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Whew!!! I've got four pages (a whole day's worth) of postings to catch up on!! You guys are amazing!!!

zhuzhu,

Really beautiful work...I love the mood of this piece, and it's refreshing to see watercolor handled so confidently! Especially as watercolor is such a hard medium to use ~ I don't go near it!!! I love the back of the hair, and the impressionistic way in which you have painted the clothing. Wonderful job!!!

PSR,

I think the main thing I notice anatomically with the figure is that her rib is rather petite for the rest of her body, which is rather stocky. I would soften this area into rather a more soft mound, so that it is believably a part of her body. I think you are doing a really great job on the shading so far, and are smart to keep the palette limited to only a few desaturated tones. This is a great way to work, and as you know, you can work many great combinations with just a few well~chosen values. I would recommend filling in an overall dark tone for the bkgrd, just so that you've dealt with it, and it doesn't clash with the figure. Remember that you can always go in to tweak details later, but it's best to start out with the most general approach first. Great work so far!!

Arctis,

Thanks again for posting your progression ~ I know that this will interest everyone here, and it helps us all to see each others' methods of working. It's incredible how you've taken a very general sketch to a very nicely refined painting, and I admire your palette constraint considerably! You're a great example of the benefits of working methodically, filling in the bkgrd from the start, and using a midtone for the entire work from which to work up in lights and down in darks. Great work, and fabulous paintings!!!

Bsmith,

There is absolutely no shame in doing drawings multiple times. I have consistently said on the forum that for every good drawing I do, I have sent 7-10 drawings to the dump. I think practice makes perfect, and the second, third, and fourth time you do the same drawing, you will see more and different things than you did before.

One thing I recommend when artists are having difficulty with a pose is to TRACE the image, once or twice (either digitally or traditionally with tracing paper) just to get a feel for the image being drawn. Having traced the figure or object, then go back and freehand draw the same figure or object. The beauty of this thread is that the figure never moves, so you can try this exercise as many times as you please! I also recommend turning your paper and the photo reference 90 degrees clockwise, and trying the drawing this way. Your perception will change, and you will be forced to focus more on getting the figure right.

Try these exercises, and definitely post your results!

AndyDay,

Your painting so far looks great, and congrats since this is your first digital piece! I would say that right now her face is looking a bit flat, so I would suggest blending a bit more and adding depth by using darker tones in areas, and by reducing the outline around her eyes. Additionally, her hair has something of an odd texture right now, so you might want to got back in and gradually add highlights to bring it out.

The body looks great! I would just recommend lenghtening her lower right leg, and checking the proportions of her upper to her lower right arm. Great to see your work, and keep pushing yourself to make this even better!

dbclemons,

Wow, this really reminds me of a 1950's era painting style, which is a total compliment! You've really resolved the bkgrd, and I love the desaturated greens and browns which you have employed to offset her more saturated and pink/orangeish skin. I also like that you've used a bit of green in the shadows of her skin ~ this really offsets things, and adds that extra bit of realism which is great! You definitely know what you're doing here, so I am just really looking forward to your updates!

Samanthie,

This really looks fantastic!! I still have to say, though, there is something still about the face that strikes me as a bit less naturalistic than the rest of the body ~ perhaps the lips are too idealized, or too flat in color?

The cloth is looking really great ~ the cloth around her right wrist is amazing, and I would just suggest bringing the cloth around her left shoulder and down her side up to that level of detail ~ since it is closer to the viewer, it will definitely be at least as sharp as the bkgrd cloth. Great job!

The hair and body look beautiful, I have only a slight quibble with her left foot, which seems less well~rendered than her right.

Overall, I have to say you've done a fantastic job ~ but I think you could push this to be even better!

nuch,

Welcome to the forum, it is great to see you here! Thank you for posting your work!

The drawing of the torso is quite lovely, and I think your overall rendering abilities are very good. However, I think the legs look a bit frail for her strong looking upper torso, so for another drawing or a painting, I would recommend adding more structure to these, as well as to the arms. I think the face needs the same careful attention as was paid to the torso and the cloth, which is really nicely done.

Really good work so far, and I hope you will be posting more work on this thread!

~~~~

Great job, everyone! Keep up the great work!!!:bounce::bounce::bounce:

:)

~Rebeccak

[nuch]

Thank you so much, Rebeccak. :)

When you said "adding more structure", do you mean I should draw the basic woodblock like this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/nuchhub/CGtalk/anatomy02_1Structure_s.jpg

Sorry for asking this. I'm not used to Technical term of drawing, especially in English.

Could you please recommend how to control proportion? I feel like I always lost the proportion of the figure when drawing.

[Lemog]

Arctis -> Thanks for the wip... it's really very interesting for some like me which doesn't have any true technique of realization, and which advances only with the feeling. :beer:



Bsmith -> Terrible ? hahaha... Now, you must try some tweaking in digital, why not ? you know, the eraser of our software is finally easier to use than traditional eraser, ity's also less dirtying, and no risk to perforate or of twist the paper. goooooooo :D



AndyDay -> for a first digital drawing, you can be proud... The first point which disturbs me more, it's the use of the aerographer, without work on the matter, but it's certainly a choice or a biginning. Second point, are the edges, they were treated of a very dark colour really, which corresponds better to an environment, to a background with a sunk matter, whereas the body is presented on a white zone. I really hope that you will have the time to finish this drawing. :)



dbclemons -> that becomes really very good and very great, and that takes forms of traditional painting, I like much. Do you still think of working more on it ?



Samanthie -> Whaouw... now... I'm in love... hahaha... she's very beautiful...it would seem that we can touch her. she seems alive. Very impressive, I'm speechless. I like much the hair, but they miss a little volume on the top of the head, their color is really very beautiful. I await the end of this image with much of impatience, beautiful projection, much of progress, marvellous. :arteest:



b2dermawan -> continuation agree totally me, I like much the contrast of the skin which suggests really good the volumes of the body. Only point that I could crit, it is the top of the left thigh, who seem folded, even painful. Good work !



nuch -> beautiful work in 1 hour only. I think that it would take a little more time and of work on the shades for better representing volumes and the shapes of the body, because the unit appears a little flat. It would be also interesting to re-examine the proportions of the body, legs and basins too small, neck long but small head. Good Continuation... :)



mybutterflyiris -> for me, the work is really well begun, and the treatment in black and white is really well controlled, I would like much to see the continuation like that, without color, but you are the mistress of your work, and it's with you to decide. But for the moment, I like really much like that, to follow. :wavey:

[PSR]

b2dermawan and rebeccak. You guys must type like fiends, to cover so much ground. I'm up to 60 words in less than a day, with two fingers :)

Thank you both for your kind words, I quite agree with the crits. At the moment, as much as I'd like to, I can't spend any more time on it. I will Participate in the next one.

b2dermawan I like the painterly style of your image, your grasp of anatomy is enviable, so I won't comment there. As a painting, though, I would like to see a bit more contrast in the tonal range. For example, there is an opportunity to darken the shadow under the figure. As it is the figure seems float a bit, (lol, who am I to comment there). Look forward to seeing more of your work.

mybutterflyiris. It's good to see the foot has grown a leg and a body. It's interesting to see the way your working, please keep updates coming.

Btw. How does everyone get their images to show in the body of the text, rather than as thumbnail links?

[Lemog]

Btw. How does everyone get their images to show in the body of the text, rather than as thumbnail links?

http://lemog.club.fr/wip/cgpic.jpg

[Llynna]

*wah* 3 pages in no time and all this awesome crits................ you guys are insane ;). i am a little bit in a hurry right now, so i will give my two cents later (have to go to the travel agency^^)

[dbclemons]

Thanks for all the kind compliments, folks. I greatly appreciate it. I think the background could use more details perhaps, but can't get to it for a few days. Oil is fun. It's good to get back to that again. It's water-mixable oils, by the way.

b dermawan, I love how you've shaped the figure in this painting. The forms are very soild and follow her shape very well. I think there's something odd about the shape of her head, though. It seems a bit small. Perhaps the hair should be thicker on top. I would also suggest giving the background a similar feel of strokes like you've given her body. The out of focus look is a bit jarring in contrast to her figure. I think if you draw something smooth like her flesh with the type of strokes you've made, it's important to carry that through on everything else that's also smooth, if you follow me.

mybutterflyiris, I like how you've skethed this out so far. Pay strong attention to the perpective the figure pose is in. I think the upper torso is turned further back from us than how you've got it right now.

Keep 'em coming people!

-DBC

[zhuzhu]

thanks guys, glad you like that WC drawing. yes, watercolor is a hard mediam to cortrol, but have fun. here is another try.


watercolor on sketchbook:


http://usera.imagecave.com/zhuzhu/figure3.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Gah!!! Can only do guerilla critiquing from work! They're going to think I'm a pervert! :scream:

Laurent / aka Lemog, :)

Awesome comments, thank you for these!! :thumbsup: Thanks also for pointing out how to display images, that is very generous! :)

nuch,

That's a great exercise to do, and I'm glad you did it :thumbsup: ~ but I actually meant something else, which I will try to point out later. :)

PSR,

You're welcome!

Llynna,

You didn't know we were insane by now? ;)

dbclemons,

Ooh, water mixable oils? I'm REALLY curious ~ how do you find them, particularly in comparison to regular oils?

zhuzhu,
Beautiful work! :thumbsup: Great to see you back in full force! :)

~~~~

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

thanks guys, glad you like that WC drawing. yes, watercolor is a hard mediam to cortrol, but have fun. here is another try.
You're totally right, very hard art, another time you obtain a very good result... the torso part appear a little confused, but anyway, is very beautiful :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Lemog]

And now, a little update... I've decided to explore more with the same base. I haven't refined some details, but I only play a lot in Photoshop to change some tones, colors and change the background... after, I used Painter to uniformize modifications. I hope you like this one... :)

(click on the pic for the 1600x1200 version)


http://lemog.club.fr/wip/opdw9_640.jpg (http://lemog.club.fr/wip/opdw9_1600.jpg)

[Rebeccak]

Guerilla critique!!!

WOW!!! Another birthday?? So soon??!! :scream: It looks beautiful from a quick glance, I will definitely have to look at this more closely later...thanks for posting this beaut!!! :thumbsup:

I really love the colors ~ the soft pinks and greens really resonate, and combine to make a beautiful, soft effect. Congratulations!! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Llynna]

well well back again, now im poor again but one flight to paris and one to rome richer *gg*. the sad thing is......... they want 1000 euro for a flight to boston (the cheapest one -.-)-

@rebecca

of course i knew that already^^. i really love crazy people and i always define it as being normal *gg*

@lemog

i really like the skin tones on your update. but there is one thing that is bothering me. i think the figure is rather flat. try to create more depth to her through some brush storkes. yours are only pointing in one direction, downwards. try to paint some strokes in that create volume and direction of the axis. you fixed the hand and it is looking much better by know. when you put some more shadows her forearm it will improve greatly. i hope you understand what i am trying to say^^.

@zhuzhu

they realle are a little bit hard to control, but i think that is what is part of the water colour charm. very expressive sketch :)

@nuch

great you joined too :9 the more the merryer. for your first sketch: try to see the volumes in your painting/drawing and create them via the direction of the brush strokes and shadows.
when you paint in photoshop, ekepp you outlines on one layer and the painting on another. by this way you wont loose your proportions while painting. to lay them down in the sketch find the axis in the figure first and paint them in. after that you must find the opposing curves (see beccas workshop!) and after that detail the sketch. i hope this is helpfull.


@butterfly

great start :). i like how you rendered the lower leg. but i would recommen to shrink her ankles a bit. this way she would look a little bit more elegant, but that is up to you.

@all the others: keep it coming and thank you all for your kind words and suggestions for my piece^^.

and now: back to the texturing

[allenatl]

Rebeccak, Arctis, b2dermawan: Tried to adjust areas that you pointed out. Made the leg longer. Reduced the head a little. About avoiding the appearance of a large neck, I think the
area of the raised shoulder is the key to that. If that area just above the collar-bone looks flat, then the neck looks large. But if there's some volumn there showing the raised shoulder, then the neck looks smaller. Works in theory, anyway. We'll see as I get further into it.
Everyone else, thanks for comments.
Everybody's doing great work here. Hard to keep up with all the updates.

This is definitely still a WIP, but started painting:

http://www.allen3d.com/ac_seatedfrontview2.jpg

[Rebeccak]

allenatl,

Quick guerilla peek here...looks really great, I love the limited palette and the charcoal line / brush work. Will definitely take a better look later, but looks great so far, and thanks for posting! :thumbsup:

~Rebeccak

[zhuzhu]

rebeccak, Lemog, Llynna: thanks~~~!


WIP in openCanvas 3, about 3 hours. it was mid-night here, update later.


http://usera.imagecave.com/zhuzhu/ocfigurewip1.jpg

[mybutterflyiris]

I love looking at the work on this thread, it's very inspiring.
Lemog: really beautiful stuff...so smoothe...
zhuzhu: Although I am a fan of watercolor, I like your recent one the best. It seems to have more substance.
Here is a current update: ...having a few problems here and there...I think I am working too small. I love the turn it on the side idea...that helps alot in my opinion. The lines on the side were just guidelines for trying to correct the back and the hip... oh, and i'll keep the ankle thing in mind when i get there.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/mightyevilbunny/humananat2.jpg

[Rebeccak]

b2dermawan,

I think I forgot to comment on your piece!! I'm sorry, there were so many posts that I just plain skipped it! Your work is going beautifully, I love the red and green color scheme which you so naturally gravitate towards, it is really quite beautiful!!! The torso looks great, and the cloth around the shoulder is looking really nice ~ it's great that you can tell what form is under the clothing! :thumbsup:

I would say that the leg is still looking a bit small, and the face needs more rendering to make it look more volumetric, and as convincing as the upper torso. Watch that her ankle/foot does not look 'glued on' to her leg.

Otherwise, I think you are doing a fantastic job, and I really look forward to your updates!!! :thumbsup:

Lemog,

This has just turned into a really beautiful piece ~ I love your color experimentation, and I think it has been greatly to your benefit to do so!! I think it's kind of a fun release to tweak colors and tones and things in Photoshop once all of the really hard work is finished, and you certainly worked very hard and very admirably on this!!! :thumbsup: I have only one minor critique, which is that the texture of the paper she is lying on looks a bit too similar in texture to that of her skin ~ if you want, I would just suggest taking the brightness of the highlight down a bit in the paper, so that the main focus remains on the figure.

Other than that, beautiful, beautiful work, and Happy Happy Birthday!!! 5 Meatcakes!!! :scream: (Special Lemog rating system) ;)

allenatl,

Overall, looking GREAT, I just think that lower leg still looks a bit too small. Her left arm also seems a bit short and ungrounded at present, but I'm sure that once you tweak the bkgrd it will be better. Other than that, looks like you are doing a great job, and I look forward to your update! :thumbsup:

zhuzhu,

Nice work so far, indeed, you can carry a digital work SO much further than a traditional watercolor, and you are starting another sure to be great zhuzhu work here ~ keep going! :thumbsup:

mybutterflyiris,

WOW!!! Really great work going on, and I'm really happy the turning suggestion helped! I've been painting this way the majority of the time, it really just helps you to see things better. :)

At this stage, you should be able to up the image and pixel size of your image without too much trepidation ~ since it's a WIP, you can just smooth edges to remove pixelation, and I am sure you will be doing many more 'coats of paint' anyway, so do not hesitate to make your image larger, both in inches and pixels, at this stage as you are still going to work on it for a bit. Great work so far, look forward to those updates!! :thumbsup:

~~~

Great to see all of the FABULOUS work guys!!!

Cheers!

~Rebeccak

[Samanthie]

http://westwood.fortunecity.com/sander/604/dlo_figure9.jpghttp://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=79697Thank you Rebecca. I have worked on everything you suggested and finished with shadows. I adjusted her lips and hairline, ear and lash area. Nose needed a little lighing work as well. Hope this has improved her face so that it matches with her body. I worked on the folds over her shoulder alot. Then I got tempted to add more hilites to the folds around her wrist but was afraid I'd mess them up so I left well enough alone.:) I may have done too much to her hair but not sure. I thank you again for all of your help. I'm really happy with this.

Lemog..lol..I hope you are still in love after all of my changes. If need be I can go back as I save each image as I go along just in case I do need to go back.:) Your image is so beautiful. Very smooth, love the colors. It looks like oils to me.

Zhuzhu..You later watercolor is also lovely. Very fresh colors. You other open canvas images is coming along nicely too. Good color scheme.

Allenati..Looking really good so far.

Mybutterflyiris..Coming along very well.

[Rebeccak]

Samanthie,
WOW!!! :bounce::thumbsup::applause::D:buttrock:Truly brilliant work, I love how this came out!!! Can you post the image again so that it appears here in the message area? You just paste the url into the little yellow icon with the mountains and the sun ~ that way, people can better appreciate your work right away! :)

This looks fantastic, I love the way you have done the hair, and you did a great job with refining the face so that the image reads as a whole now. Excellent job, and kudos to you for being so gracious in taking comments and crits and using them to your best advantage!!!

Awesome job, and thanks for posting this! I really hope you will join us for OFDW 003!!! :applause: This is definitely going into the "SPOTLIGHT" threads!!! :thumbsup:

Also, if you have saved versions of this WIP, it would be fabulous if you wanted to make a tutorial for this piece on the main Anatomy forum, and called it: TUTORIAL - Digital Figure Painting - by Samanthie ~ of course, you don't have to, but it would be fabulous to see!! :)

Thanks for all the hard work and effort you put into this!!!

Cheers!! :)

~Rebeccak

[Llynna]

@allenatl: keep it coming :9 great update so far.

@samanthie: wow, she looks somehow transcendent like a goddess or so^^.

@zhuzhu: do you have an event file for you painting? i would really love to view one of yours sometime :)

i worked on the succubus this evening and made some progress on the texture and overall light. i added texture to the curtain and the space in the bg. i am currently working on the burled wood and marble of the pedestral.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/Llynna/succubus-Kopie.jpg

[pushav]

Alright here are my remixed picture wip. All photoshop even the blending. (A top secret brush I made in photoshop7)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/pushav/color/oneremixedcopy.jpg

Color glazing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/pushav/color/tworemixedcopy.jpg

Update... Painter 7 adding highlights. I think that I am discovering a new technique. hmm......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/pushav/color/tworemixedcopy2.jpg

I should be able to work more on my grayscaling tomorrow after school. Wooohoo Friday is coming!

Oh yeah I avoided a car accident today. I am lucky and still alive. YAY.
Beware of High School drivers. All that drama just for some Taco Bell.:scream:

[allenatl]

Rebeccak: Thanks. I'll try enlarging the leg and you're right about the floating hand.
I'll work on that too.

samanthie: Great painting! Has a strong sense of weight. Like the hair. Really, really like
the smooth skin tone. Similar to SevenMars' earlier, you've taken the photo reference and created your own character.

Arctis: Enjoyed seeing your progressions from drawings to tones to finished paintings.
Impressed with the detail on the hand on the reclining figure.

[Samanthie]

Thank you Rebecca!:bounce: I am just so flattered. I will see if I can put together a tutorial. I am looking forward to 003! Thank you so much and to Lemog, Arctis and all of you that have offered your expertise to help me along.

Thanks very much for your comments Alanati.

Thank you Llynna and your image is coming along nicely. Like the details you are putting in. The calf muscle on the bent leg looks just a little thick to me on the outside along the shin.

Looking great so far Pushav.:)

[pushav]

Samanthie-Thanks a lot. I try. Maybe I should try harder. Each time I redo this images greyscaling, I discover new things along the way. I am still a terrible painter. lol :thumbsup:
Your picture looks great!

[Rebeccak]

Samanthie,

You are most welcome! Can't wait to see your work for the next workshop! :)

Llynna,

Good progress so far! Do not lose sight of the original values you had initially in the figure...right now, all of the lights and darks are looking a bit uniform all over the body, and you will additionally need to consider what your light source is, if the bkgrd is a dark spacey sky. I think the face you had before was really nice, and I would caution against leaving it to the last. But you know where you are going with this, so I am really curious to see more progress. :)

pushav,

Good work so far, and it is interesting to see your progression. I really think that you need to push the grayscale just incrementally further and further along. Don't rush to the finish line with color ~ I've seen far too many pieces from artists who get lost in color, and have no real image there that can be discerned through value ~ so I would caution you not to get caught up in color too much at this stage. You have a pretty strong drawing going, and I would even recommend rotating both your image and the reference photo 90 degrees CW and tweak your drawing that way.

Keep going, and post those grayscale results! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[pushav]

Rebecca-The funny thing is that I did not look at the reference when grayscaling. Yeah I should push it a bit more but it was starting to look good and Iwanted to try something new with color glazing in photoshop. Don't worry, I saved my latest progress. I had to redo the gray painting because I forgot my brush setting when I was painting(I rested the flow and opacity and other dynamics on the brush) .Unfortunatly homework is getting in my way also I just got done with math and now my art professor is thowing a research paper at his students. It is getting tuff to working on this. Hopefully I can get more done on satuday. What am I talking about I will have a 3 day weekend due to Labor day. Yes. That means more time for art.:thumbsup:

I know that I will have trouble with the face.:eek:

[Bsmith]

ok I started my digital version today and worked on it for like 3 hours and still have many to go until I finish. I don't know how some of you guys do this in 1 hours or less...thats crazy...anyways...I'll post tomorrow...I'm going to bed now...

..also I'm having a shitty time getting the eye to look right as well as some of the shadows...well I guess you will see tomorrow.

[zhuzhu]

Llynna: tell me your email, i 'll send you.



Update:


http://usera.imagecave.com/zhuzhu/ocfigurewip2.jpg

[kaylon]

Note to self: Must try harder... and do more sketching...


My morning study...hopefully will find time to paint this one up a little..had much fun drawing this and learned a few little things.

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9922/femaleseated026el.jpg

K.

[Rebeccak]

zhuzhu,
Wow, nice!! :thumbsup: The hand is really beautiful! :) Is she slanted down to the right too much?

kaylon,
This is actually a really nice sketch! I love your line quality! :thumbsup: You might try doing a separate drawing of the head...it's really hard to get everything to work together perfectly...I love the confident and loose gestural quality of your lines for the body, but something is lost in the drawing of the head. Be sure that her chest does not start too close to her neck ~ right now, she needs more shoulder height, so that her breasts begin a bit lower from her neck.

As a start for a painting, this is really excellent! I can't wait to see your results! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

i really like the skin tones on your update. but there is one thing that is bothering me. i think the figure is rather flat. try to create more depth to her through some brush storkes. yours are only pointing in one direction, downwards. try to paint some strokes in that create volume and direction of the axis. you fixed the hand and it is looking much better by know. when you put some more shadows her forearm it will improve greatly. i hope you understand what i am trying to say^^.Thank you Llynna for this comment, I think of understanding a little, but I must acknowledge that I don't know how to make it. I've the feeling to be wedged a little.
I will think of that, and will try to find a solution, thank you. :)
About your update Britta -> still much of work, but I must greet the originality of creation, a true mood, very strong. The final result should be imposing and passionating. A small remark, the insects on the wall appear too similar, even if their size is different.


allenatl -> very good starting of painting, really. The proportions seem good. The only detail that disturbs to me is the fold of skin on the level of the left thigh, but I think that's not yet finished, good courage for the continuation. :thumbsup:


zhuzhu -> the image is perhaps a little too small to really benefit from the smoothness and the precision of the details, but it's nevertheless a real pleasure to admiring it. I don't know you and your art for a long time, but I can said that I'm already in admiration in front of your talent. That appears simple for you. :bowdown:


really beautiful stuff...so smoothe...smooth ? mmmh, maybe too much, no ?
About your drawing Melody, effectively, you made the same error that me for the first pose, a too small size, but I think that finally, you left well, certainly with much patience. I understand easily that at this resolution, the modifications on the face will not very easy. If you don't want to have too much work to remake all, it would be perhaps interessant to work only the head has a higher size, with this new more practical orientation for fixing the various parts of the figure well, and only then to stick it on the remainder of the body already realized.


I have only one minor critique, which is that the texture of the paper she is lying on looks a bit too similar in texture to that of her skin ~ if you want, I would just suggest taking the brightness of the highlight down a bit in the paper, so that the main focus remains on the figure.
Other than that, beautiful, beautiful work, and Happy Happy Birthday!!! 5 Meatcakes!!! (Special Lemog rating system)Oups sorry Rebecca... I don't understand exactly (sorry... my poor english with struck again)
... you speak to obscure the background so that the subject is more visible, it's that ?And for the Meatcake... chhhhhhhhhhhhh please... hahahaha
About your Drawing Rebecca -> which drawing ? where is the continuation ? :scream: hahahaha


lol..I hope you are still in love after all of my changes. If need be I can go back as I save each image as I go along just in case I do need to go back.of course, I always like her as much, really splendid. I would always like to see a little more volume for the hair, at the top of the head, but the way seems very good.

Your image is so beautiful. Very smooth, love the colors. It looks like oils to me.Thanks Debbie... Oil ?... this comment really pleases me, because it's what I tried to obtain as result. :wavey:


Pushav -> Happy that you would be still among us. Your image now seems to have a good progression, it still misses a little contrast which will be certainly necessary to emphasize the forms, but I'm sure that will be arranged in the next steps. Go guy :bounce:


kaylon -> A simple drawing, with good proportion, nothing to crit. It's a very good base to go further I think. Congratulations.

[PSR]

Samanthie, your piece is breathtaking. I'm with rebeccak on the wip/tutorial request. congrats on the work

kaylon, that looks like a very nice mornings work. Look forward to updates

Lemog. Thanks for the explanation

[b2dermawan]

my latest update and i think the last for this figure.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/bdermawan/class2tryfin.jpg

if u're interested, though i can't see why, here's the higher res version (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/bdermawan/class2try65.jpg).

[b2dermawan]

now for some crazy rants:

AndyDay: hey now i can see your attachment. good start indeed. you want to improve? well what's better place than this class?

nuch: nice start, and those basic wood-blocks (great job, btw) is definetely one good way to help you understand the basic shapes of the figure (and in apllying their values later) but you certainly don't "have to" start the sketch from there.

pushav: thanks. great developments there, and seems like you're having fun experimenting, good for you!. hope you decide to finish it afterall.

mybutterflyiris: very nice and good grasp of values, but i think you're on the right track! keep udating.

Lemog: thanks man for your kind c&c, really appreciate it. And great update, very smooth and colors are definetely work for me as they too are my fav hahaha. got to agree w/ others that some tones play will certainly help create more volumatric looks.

PSR: thank you. and can't wait your second one.

dbclemons: hey thanks a lot man, really need that! you're right about the head (god knows how much i've struggled on it) and thanks for the tip, will try to apply it. about the bg *lol*, actually they're my palette for the overall pic so i can easily pick up the values range and to see how they "blend" with each other, lazy me i know. but i will use them for the bg too, though of course not in those shapes (i hope). thanks again man.

zhuzhu: all your pics are simply amazing! more please!

allenatl: already love the current state. nothing to add than what's been said by rebeccak. keep updating!

Samanthie: wonderful! usually such smooth rendering style will bring flatness feel to overall pic, but you manage to make it alive (and healthy if i may add) while still maintaining the overall smoothness. so, congrats!

rebeccak: thanks :) and NOO! (this what i got for being too sure of my-self :sad: !) at this state, i doubt that i'll re-paint her legs again to add those needed lengths. next time, however, i'll show you all those shapes first, and no detailings untill your approval! thank you again.

Llyna: nice development! must emphasize about determining your light sources (and how strong they will be) earlier too though, since they will give you directions on what to do next and by so helping save a lot of time on needles work. keep updating, please.

kaylon: great sketch, and you definetely want to paint it. my 2-cents, if i may, watch out on determining her feets bent angles, right now they look a-lil-off from the body structure. keep updating!

b2dermawan: zip-it up and go to sleep already!!

[Samanthie]

b2dermawan..Your image is beautiful. I looked at the hi-res too. Very well done and really like the detail given to the cloth as well. Great job! Thank you also for you comments to my image.:)

Thank you PSR!:)

Kaylon you have a very nice sketch there. Looking forward to the painting.

Zhuzhu..I like the details to her face you've added.

[Ego]

Arctis: Good heavens but I love those color tones on your piece. Painting envy!!
Brittany: Fine piece of art work
Llyana; beautiful beautiful. It seems you and I have the same imaginative spirit. Only difference is you have the actual
talent to carry them out in your pieces.
Lemog: Great work as usual.
Rebecca: Each update of your piece shows great improvement. you know I love gray tones.
Will you color this later in the process or leave it in gray?
So many great entries. I have not had the time to go through every page.
I'll post my piece once I come back from taking m husband to the hospital.
I will also view the rest of the thread when I come back. I stopped at page 15.
You didnt think I forgot about this number 02, did you?

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi All

Well this is what I have so far

Still a few details left on figure.

Had the hardest time with the eyes. Still not sure on them.

Like them looking away, not directly at me. Too intense that way.

Been consumed by this piece the last few days. So haven't had a chance to make comments on your works. But looks like everyone's stuff is improving by the day.

Great to see such a variety of painting styles.

I'm learning a little and a lot from each of you and I hope I have contributed a little something to your pool of knowledge also.

Going to learn how to type...Oh NO!! :banghead: (from Mrs. Spirit Dreamer: :bounce: )



Would like to be able to communicate more, help more, and be helped more in this joint venture of learning.

Take care

and Thanks everyone for sharing

Glenn
PS Any advise for fine tuning this piece would be greatly appreciated.
and to Rebecca: as you can see I am really taking your advice to heart. You've been a great great help. Thanks

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Nude_2_close.jpg




http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Nude_2_full.jpg

[Samanthie]

Spirit Dreamer..this is beautiful! It has an magical and eerie quality. Great idea to put her in the forest.

[Rebeccak]

Lemog,

Hahahahahaha!!! Are you mocking my lack of progress?? Ok, fine. :scream:

b2dermawan,
Beautiful piece!!! :thumbsup: The only thing I would say would be that the face looks a bit flat in comparison with the rest of her figure, which is really beautifully realized (including the legs, lol!) :) But if you wish to stop at this point, of course I understand. Great work!!! :thumbsup:

Queensoul,

I hope everything is ok with your husband, let us know! OFDW 003 will be posted tomorrow or Monday, stay tuned! Oh, and I haven't forgotten about you... ;)

Spirit Dreamer,

Looking really great!!! :thumbsup: Thank you for all of your hard work and input into everyone's pieces. :) If you are having trouble with the face (and it looks like you've made a lot of great progress with it so far!) I would just suggest rotating the canvas 90 degrees clockwise as well as the reference, and working on things that way for a while. This definitely helps! :)

Beautiful, warm colors, and it will be really cool to see you incorporate a nice bkgrd! Can't wait to see updates! :)

~~~
Great work, guys!!! Definitely keep it up!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Ego]

Hi guys, here's what I've done so far with the first model. Done with painter. Lunatique's Opaque round brushes, cover pencil and basic round brushes. :)
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/figanat3a.jpg

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Samanthie

Wrote down a note to you the other day, got busy on my painting and never sent it. It was on your eye with the glasses in the "evocative" section. I've always used the eye in similar ways as a symbol of the Great Spirit. When you put your eye-glass in front of it, gave it a whole new dimension. Like the Great Spirit is in you personally. Which of course it is. Thought it was a fabulous concept. Never saw it depicted so simply before. Great idea and beautifully executed.
As for your new figure, been watching its progress all aong. It's come a long ways and ended up being one of the most beautiful pieces in this exercise. Adding the crisper edges and keeping the softness inside, really works nicely. Don't forget how you did it. Very distict and beautiful style developing there.
Congratulations:bounce:
And take care
Glenn

[Rebeccak]

Queensoul,

WOW!!! Just saw your image, and I have to say that I am sooooo impressed by this!! :bounce:

The expression in the face is fantastic, and I really like the wispy, exaggerated smoothness you've created in the pose. Great job so far!! :thumbsup:

I think you might want to enlarge your canvas on the left to accomodate the full stretch of the lower leg. Other than that, I would just recommend emphasizing and concentrating on those values ~ remembering to continually build your drawing through values as you go along.

If you perhaps go a bit darker in the bkgrd and in the midtone and dark shadows of the figure, you will have more value range to play with. Be careful about using pure white for highlights ~ try putting only your brightest brights in a few select places, and using a range of light grays / highlight tones for the other highlighted areas. It is frequently surprising how 'dark' 'highlighted' areas can be. :)
Great work so far QS, and I eagerly anticipate your progress!! :bounce:

Spirit Dreamer,

Great comments, and Samanthie is putting together a beautiful tutorial as we speak! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[b2dermawan]

Queensoul: looks very nice! really getting the flow from your bg. and ack:argh:! was going to say to expand your canvass a bit too, but apparently has been taken care of by rebeccak (damn, one of these days i shall bit rebeccak in typing speed! hahaha - shall take that "hypertrust typing turorials" afterall, watch out rebeccak). keep updating!

Spirit Dreamer: inspiring stuff, reminds me of a certain spirit in my county's folk lore. and great to see you taking the fig to the next level. my 2-cents, if u don't mind, is not to get caught up w/ the current lighting sources. in ref, lighting sources come from studio's lights directing to emphasize the full figure of the body. in outdoors, it's quite unlikely we'll get the same strong and full directed lightings. so i'd suggest to pick up a main lighting source, follow-through it on rendering the body (and bg), play more on enviromental lighting effects (such you've applied to her hair), gives the viewer an idea or imagination on what those source of lightings are(optional), and add more perspective depths (far and close objects perhaps). overall is to give the main char a sense of natural belonging in the pic. hope my rumbling is making any senses. again, really admire your technique and looking forward for more of your updates.

samanthie: thanks, really appreciate it!

rebeccak: nice consolation! hahaha but i gues i'll buy it afterall *lol*. no really, i truelly appreciate you great inputs, help me a lot to see my mistakes and learn from them. so keep'em coming please.

[b2dermawan]

tonight sketch for fig 1. as you see, i plan to do it on the greyscale this time (scarry!)

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/bdermawan/fig1wip1.jpg

[Crassisco]

Hi there..this is my first post.... C&C's ,please.
And i like the idea of this cooperation...so keep it up.
My picture (http://www.geocities.com/kassjansmyczek/sexy2.jpg)
Kassjan

[Crassisco]

Hi there...this is my first post: C&c's please.
My picture (http://www.geocities.com/kassjansmyczek/sexy2.jpg)
I like the idea of this cooperation,so keep it up.
kassjan

[Crassisco]

This is my first post

[Samanthie]

Queensoul..Very lovely and elegant so far. There is almost the feeling that she is tossing her hair.

Spirit Dreamer, Thank you for your wonderful comments on my eye image.:) I haven't visited that thread in a while. I am on page three of the figure tutorial. Hope to have it done soon.


B2dermawan..will be interesting to see your painting in greyscale. I'll have to give that a try sometime.:)

*edit*Crassisco..Sorry to have missed your posts. Great start and a nice sketch too. :)

[Rebeccak]

b2dermawan,

Nice work so far, just be careful not to go TOO light on the figure from the get-go ~ you want to gradually build lights from a mid~gray, and reserve your lightest lights only for the brightest highlights. Additionally I would recommend filling in the entire bkgrd with a solid tone, be it dark gray or black, until the drawing of the figure is more resolved.

Good luck with this, and looking forward to seeing your update! :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Ok, I really need to start putting this puppy to bed, as I've got a CGWorkshop (http://workshops.cgsociety.org/courses/000008/) to prepare for etc., but here is my lil' bit o' progress for tonight... :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Open%20Figure%20DrawingWkshp_002/lil-progress_12.jpg

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[theseraphimabove]

i really love this one rebecca.... i think it looks completely fantastic and i envy your drawing and painting knowledge.... absolutely beautiful.. i'm in love with the way you rendered her... its almost depressing... ^_^ good work

[Ego]

Thanks for your suggestions guys. I dont know why I was being so stingy with the canvas real estate.
Not like you pay per sq feet for it. :p To tell you the truth I am a bit afraid of negative space.

Becca, I agree its time to lay this puppy to rest! Beautiful rendition. Do you intend to color it?
I am hoping you'll say heck no!

Samanthie that piece you have is incredibly gorgeous!
I am so jealous :D

Lemog, did I just read that you paint in 8000 pixels?
What kind of machine do you use? I sure would love to paint in that high a resolution to help me
work with more details; Already when I try to paint at 3000 pixels my photoshop takes a million years to update each stroke.

[PSR]

b2dermawan. Nice work so far, the figure feels well positioned within the space. I love the broad painterly brushstrokes.

Crassisco. Not bad in terms of overall proportion. Watch the really strong outline, you have given the figure. It's really too even. try to vary its weight. For example, make the line stronger and heavier, where the figure is in shadow. Thinner and lighter, where the figure is highlighted.

The face seems very flat, and the features too strongly delineated. You will get a better idea of the face, if you turn the picture on its side. See rebeccak's post. Try not to get to bogged down with the features. Don't draw the outlines of lips, a little shade will do. You're doing well, keep going and look at other peoples drawings, to see how they solve the problems of drawing faces.

Rebaccak. Well done for finding the time to continue with this. The face, the arms and especially the right hand are absolutely beautifully resolved. Bring the near leg and foot to that level and the picture is complete. The thigh looks a little thin to me. :)

I decided to have a crack at the first pose today. A pencil drawing, because I'm too slow with Photoshop, and wanted to try both before the next figures arrive.

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi b2dermawan
Thanks for the good advice. Experimented with it a little this morning. Cast shadows etc.
Trying to make figure fit in landscape better. Overlapping shapes to create more depth.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks
Glenn

Hi Samanthie
Wise woman: what she is thinking...(evocative section) ... The eye furthest from the viewer sees the inquisition where 7 or 8 million wise women were tortured and murdered for the same reasons the Taliban are doing it today. Power Ignorance Fear. The eye closest to the viewer reflects the ancient wisdom passed on since pre history when women were the keepers of the secrets of nature, the healers, the spiritualists, the possessors of the secrets and magic that is life. She symbolizes to me that spirit that was and is being extinguished by the male hierarchy.
This is what she is thinking, I think.
Take care
Glenn


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Nude_3.jpg

[Rebeccak]

theseraphimabove,

Thank you! No need for it to be depressing. I sincerely believe that given patience, time, and effort, almost anyone on the planet can draw and paint to their satisfaction. :)

Queensoul,

Thanks. :) I'll prolly just do some minor corrections, give it a layer with a sienna color set to "color" blending mode, and call it a day. :)

PSR,

Thank you. :) I agree, and will definitely try to resolve the front leg especially (and add the other foot) and bkgrd. :) Thank you for your comments! :)

I love your drawing. It is very beautiful ~ I can't wait to see where you go with this or the next one. :thumbsup:

Spirit Dreamer,

I really like what you are doing with the bkgrd. :) Regarding the figure, I think her rib cage has become too bulky for her relatively small pelvis / buttocks. I suggest rotating the image 90 degrees clockwise to check proportions and overall layout of the figure. Remember that the figure is the primary focus of the image, so I would spend most of the time on that ~ but again, the bkgrd looks really fantastic, and I really love your color climate. :)

~~~

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[PSR]

Spirit Dreamer. No criticisms, really. I like how this has turned out. I think you have a terrific imagination and a flair for symbolism. Do you know the work of Gustav Moreau or Odilon Redon?

http://www.beautyandruin.com/findesiecle/moreau.php

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/redon/

I took a look at your website and think you have a lot in common with these artists

[Rebeccak]

PSR,

That is a GREAT comment and suggestion. Thanks for posting these excellent links! I took a look at them, and wow, I haven't looked at these artists' works in years...I used to have a book called "Symbolism" but it's somehow gotten misplaced...too bad for me. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Samanthie]

@ Rebecca..she is awesome. Love the detail to the underside of the arm and also on face and foot.



@ Spirit Dreamer..Like the changes and enjoy watching this progress. I like moss in the trees.

Thanks for sharing the meaning of your Wise Woman, very enlightening.

[Ego]

http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/figanat3c.jpg

Figured, I'll do another submission on this pose. I hope I have taken into consideration the areas that were pointed out.

[Ego]

PSR, thanks for those links. Wonderful artwork there.

[Rebeccak]

Queensoul,

Worked up a little review for you. :) I think you are doing a good job so far, and there are a few areas that are looking really nice! The face is turning out really nice, and the chest area looks fantastic. It's funny, because people can render boobs universally well, lol. :)

I desaturated your image to demonstrate that the areas which are working best are working best because of VALUE relationships. You can clearly see that the areas which are working best so far are the face and the chest. Look how nicely the values are relating to one another in these areas! Coincidence that these are reading the best? No! :)

One area which need work is where the inner thigh joins up near the base of the pelvis ~ there needs to be more differentiation there. Look closely at the photograph, and you will see what I mean. The other area is the ankle ~ right now, the ankle is sort of one undifferentiated glob connected funnily to the back of the leg ~ also, a close look at the photo will shed light on this complex area. :) I would also recommend lengthening both legs.

And...may I finally suggest working in black, white, and gray only? :) I think this helps artists tremendously to see ~ it's an exercise I highly recommend (if you hadn't noticed, lol! :))

Cheers Queensoul for all your hard work. :thumbsup:

~Rebeccak


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Open%20Figure%20DrawingWkshp_002/Queensoul_REVIEW.jpg

[Llynna]

@queensoul: keep trying and painting and painting and painting, you will find a way to express you thoughts :) i think you are on a good way :thumbsup:. my painting is a little bit clichee but who cares *gg*.

@b2derwaman: yeah, you are right but i have some problems with background and light but i am working on it :) i try to set the lights and the colourscheme bevore i am beginning to paint^^

hopefully you will update your greyscale painting soon. it looks promising but is till a little bit too bright.

@lemog: i am really happy you like the mood and find it creative :). i am still working on the insects. there will be some flying too. and i will paint over the legs and give them some motion. for now they are just the idea^^. btw your nice textures gave me the inspiration for the ornaments on the pedestral ;)

@rebecca: i simply forgot to blend in the other layer for the skin, so it looks a little bit flat and the volumes are all the same. i came to the conclusion that you are right about the face and will stay with it.

wow, your piece came around really nice :thumbsup: but i still think she has got spikey knees, well one actually.

@samanthie: WOW... she looks as if she is illuminated from within. i am really looking forward to your tut. but i would suggest working on the hair a little bit longer.

@spirit dreamer: i really love your jungle background :) i am really curious how this is goning to come along. the contrast between her golden skin and the cool background creates such a nice mood.

[Ego]

Thanks a bunch Becca. :)
Gonna fix it now :D

[Rebeccak]

Thank you, QS, you're a sweetie for fixing Neb's tut up. :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[Samanthie]

Thank you Llynna, I am working on the tut for hair today and I have been looking at the final version of her hair thinking the same thing. I think it was Lemog that suggested more volume on top. I'll play around with it some more and see what I can do. Maybe it is a little rough too.

Queensoul, thank you very much.:)

[Ego]

Becca I have a quick question. Am pretty sure you explained it somewhere and it went wooosh over my head. I notice that most of the time you make us lengthen the leg of the model, longer than the actual model's leg. What is the reason for doing this? I think you explained it somewhere, I just cant find it anymore.
TA ( Thats thanks in advance) :p

[Llynna]

queensoul, it is recommened to elongate the body a little while painting from life or photograph. its just the ideal we have today, it had changed over the times. now the figures are longer and slighter than some time before. when you draw the original proportions the figure often looks jolted or dumpy. well thats my expanation^^. i hope you dont mind it.

[Rebeccak]

Queensoul,

You're quite right. :) It's funny, because I usually crit the OFDW drawings/paintings based on what I see in front of me, and don't always compare to the reference photo ~ after all, someone who hasn't seen the photo will not be using that as a point of reference, and will only be wanting to make sense of what is before their eyes. :) So, my mistake there. :)

Here is a demo of finding proportions by referencing Negative Space ~ negative space being that age old concept of the space outside of the figure / object you are drawing. It is a basic concept, but one worth exploring, particularly when drawing something in perspective (as we are here, with the leg going back in space).

Notice how slim the ankle is, and how much smaller the leg appears to be the further it goes back in space (it is also tapering down to the ankle anyway). I think slimming the ankle significantly in your piece would help show the forced perspective, and justify the 'shortness' of the leg. :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Open%20Figure%20DrawingWkshp_002/negative-space-demo.jpg


Hope this helps! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Ego]

Yes thank you. Your explanation helps. I do notice it myself that when I draw according to the photo, it comes out looking like a Paul Gaugain drawing. It baffles me since I draw with numbers and its supposed to match. hehe, now I know. :)

[Rebeccak]

Queensoul,

Lol, I think the next best trick to try is tracing the image just to get a feel for the proportions ~ that's the luxury of working from the photo, as a live model might object to being wrapped in vellum and stippled, lol!!!

Good luck with this, you're doing a great job. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

OK Rebecca
The rib cage and sunk in chest was bothering me too. But looked that way in the photo to me. So I diverted from photo and put some meat on her ribs, pushed up her chest muscles, expanded her lungs below her breast, made her breast a tiny bit fuller and enlarged her nipple a tiny bit. Now she looks healthier. I think, anyway.
The background and mood are the way I saw them in my mind's eye last week. Think I'll put it away for a month or so. So I can look at it in the future with a fresh perspective.
What do you think?
Looking forward to the next exercise. You've been a tremendous help to me on this one. Hope I haven't disappointed you.
And thanks to everyone else for the great comments and even greater advice.
Take care
Glenn




http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Nude_4.jpg

[Ego]

Fixed previously mentioned problem areas :) Hehe, I hope in the process I didnt go and create more problem areas. This exercise has been fun. I'll jump to number 2 pose while waiting for comments and advise :D That second pose has plenty of potential.

http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/figanat3d.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Queensoul baby! :)

Can I convince you to work on this in black, white, and gray? Pleeze? :) I really think this would help. :) I think the main suggestion I would have would be to fill the entire bkgrd with a solid tone at 100% opacity ~ so as to completely concentrate on the Drawing of the figure. Right now the ecclectic~toned bkgrd is throwing things off value~wise unnecessarily. The benefit of filling in the bkgrd completely is that you don't have to worry about it. :) And it makes it much simpler to correct the Drawing of the figure, as you have fewer values to work with.

So, my proposal to you: fill in the background first. Zen we will discuz ze anatomie. :)

EDIT: Ze bkgrd should be a nice dark gray eef you wiz work in desaturated mode like I sink iz best. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Ego]

tsk, how can you be awake at this hour?!

Hokay I hear ya. I'll do the gray thang :)

[SpiritDreamer]

Hello PSR:
Fantastic! Just had a chance this morning to check out the links you posted.
Alot of stuff I hadn't seen before. Two of my favorite artists for sure.
The reclining nude with flowers on my web site was greatly influenced by Redon.
WOW, thank you much.
Greatly appreciate these.
Take care
Glenn

Llynna :
Really like your stuff :)
Nice imagination.
I think on your succubus painting you should refine and make smaller her raised forearm.
Looks too masculine at the moment.
Spoils an otherwise beautiful and very feminine figure.
Will make her hand fit better also.
Use shadow on receding volumes, thigh forearms etc to create illusion of deep space.
Look forward to seeing it completed.
Keep up the great work.
And will be talking to you soon, I hope.
Take care
Glenn

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca
Haven't commented on your figure much, thought I'd better.
It's beautifully stylized. Don't know if it was intentional or not, but you captured the el Greco feel of this pose that was brought to my mind when I first saw the photo. Great mood and flow in your piece. I want to see more figures from you. Great style, Lady. Would also like to see how you work with colors in the figure. Maybe next time.
Have a great day
And thanks for everything
Glenn

[Rebeccak]

Spirit Dreamer,

Thanks for your comments! :) Your thoughts are always appreciated. :)

I really like how your piece turned out...may I ask, are you finished with it? The colors are great, and I like the mysteriousness of the setting. If you are not finished, please feel free to post updates, even tho we are on to OFDW 003 ~ all OFDWs, as you know, remain open on a continuous basis. :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[Bsmith]

er. I haven't had anytime to do a digital painting...I started one but haven't worked on it in days...anyways I just did this real fast.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/brandonsmith/workshop1.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Bsmith,

Wow! I think this is a really big improvement over your first drawing! :) The lines are really clean, and it looks like you have some really nice Opposing Curves all throughout the torso and legs especially! That's great. :)

I would suggest drawing the face (large) on a separate piece of paper, by itself. It is tough to get everything to work from the get~go (the reason I thank the digital medium) and practice drawing individual features can only help once you go back to the full figure.

If you have the time, try doing a portrait, and then I suggest giving the full drawing a second go. I think you are doing a great job, and practice can only help. :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[b2dermawan]

Crassisco: strong sketch, i feel the solidness of the body structure right away. it's great that you try to interpret the fig in a more forward-turn perspective (but might want the head position to be adjusted w/ the perspective line too though). Agree with PSR about the rendering, or do you have any plan to overpaint it?

Samanthie: thanks! really, you should try it sometimes! it's sure a lot of fun:thumbsup: ! (:argh: arrgh who am i kiddin? it's sure more like a lot of "pain"! but hey no pain no gain, right?)

rebeccaK: wow, haven't seen it for a while (lol), but it's nice to be reminded every now and then of something great like this :thumbsup: . i too hope you'll maintain your rendering quality for the rest of the body, pity if you'll ruin such masterpiece just for the sake of hurry. (those toes still worry me, though:) ). keep updating please.

PSR: hey thanks, really appreciate it. And beautiful piece you've got! esp love the face, and everything which looks very natural. her ear is slightly off, imho, but again it's a zerro-effect thing. really think you should find the time to paint it.

Spirit Dreamer: better than i'd dare to imagine! knowing what you're capable to do, i think you're on the right track!. more of my 2-cents, if it's okay, is that in composition-wise i'd propose to add more space (canvas) at the top thus placing the main fig more in the interest area (imagine the Z in the pic). and you might want to fill those empty far-bg, with more forest feel. Again, beautiful piece and really hope you'll find the will to finish it sooner!

Bsmith: that's the spirit man!

thanks to rebeccak:thumbsup: , i took your good advice and started from a more mid-tones area. and you're absolutely right, i've got more "arsenals" now at my disposal and more ready for this grey-scale war. so thanks a bunch!
no thanks to bad hangover and brain-dead :banghead: over the weekend, i progressed so slow w the wip.

tonight's update. Any pointers, esp about the proportion before i kill myself on detailing, will be greatly appreciated.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/bdermawan/class2fig150.jpg

[Rebeccak]

b2dermawan,

Thanks for all these great comments! I will certainly take what you said to heart. :)

With respect to your piece, remember that your best friend in the 'grayscale war' :) is grayscale ~ because you can now easily correct drawing mistakes using black or gray, depending on whether you're altering the bkgrd or the figure. Be careful that her hanging (right) leg does not become too large. These things are all easily correctable over time, however, so there's no big need to feel that everything must be perfect from the start ~ that's the beauty of digital painting. :)

Keep going, keep working that arsenal of grayscale at your disposal, ;) and I think you will do a fabulous job! :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[Kdeezy]

heres the other one turned much better but i also spent much more time on it.

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/5678/figuredrawing034gw.th.jpg (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=figuredrawing034gw.jpg)

[Rebeccak]

Kdeezy,

I sometimes have this problem on my home computer ~ I can't see your image for some reason. I will be able to look at it tomorrow, though, from work. Thank you for posting! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Ok, I am going to have to call it quits on this figure, and start to concentrate on other things...it has been a total blast to work along with everyone, and I will definitely be doing the same when the CGWorkshop is over! Here is my last and final offer...there are many problems I know, but I'm going to have to leave it in it's current 1950's era colorized state and leave it at that for now... :)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Open%20Figure%20DrawingWkshp_002/lil-progress_14.jpg

Click for Hi-Res Version (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Open%20Figure%20DrawingWkshp_002/lil-progress_14_hi_res.jpg)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[Lemog]

Spirit Dreamer -> I like a lot your latest update... that made a little think of the Flemish school. Anyway, a very interesting search !


Bsmith -> some progress... good ! But when you said "fast"... I don't know it's really a good way to progress more... to observe and take time, it's certainly very important.


Kdeezy -> nothing much to crit... just waiting to discover more, good continuation Khaled.


Rebecca -> A new way for you, the B&W era is finish ? I like your 50's... maybe the face appear a little bit too dark... but less disturbing in the horizontal Hi-Res version.

[Samanthie]

Rebecca..Really like how this has turned out. I haven't painted in grayscale and this has got me intriqued. The image does look alot like those old colorized photos.

b2dermawan..I'm going to give this grascale a try. I've got to get myself over to the 003 forum. I'm way behind.:) I like the new details you've added. Are you going to color yours at the end also or does it remain in grayscale?

Kdeezy.. Looks great so far, like the way you have laid down the skin tones. I'll keep checking back for updates.

Spirit Dreamer..wanted to say again..Your image is beautiful.

Great work everyone..this has been a great learning experience for me. :)

[Crassisco]

thanks for the tipps.
Here is the other picture: Here (http://www.geocities.com/kassjansmyczek/sexy3.jpg)

great work here!
Kassjan

Oh sorry...
*redhead*

[Rebeccak]

Kassjan,

Glad to have you on the forum! :)

Is the link supposed to go to an image, or was it supposed to go to the hurricane relief thing? :)

Thanks, :)

~Rebeccak

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca
Thanks for the push I needed it. Can't wait to see your next painting.
Take care
Glenn

Spirit Dreamer: better than i'd dare to imagine! knowing what you're capable to do, i think you're on the right track!. more of my 2-cents, if it's okay, is that in composition-wise i'd propose to add more space (canvas) at the top thus placing the main fig more in the interest area (imagine the Z in the pic). and you might want to fill those empty far-bg, with more forest feel. Again, beautiful piece and really hope you'll find the will to finish it sooner!

Hi b2dermawan
Couldn't resist your suggestions and the temptation to take this piece further.
Kept all my stages so I haven't lost anything in the process.
Your 2 cents is worth a million to me. Great advice.
Thanks for the help. I need it.
If you have any more I would be grateful to hear it.

Not sure about the "Z" you were talking about. But I went for it anyway.
Could you explain the "Z" concept, please?

Thanks again.
Glenn


Hi Lomog:
Flemmish school. Wow. I never thought I would hear that in my lifetime.
Stuck for words. So I'll just say, "Thank you very very much"
Take care
Glenn

Hi Samanthie
Thank you.
Glenn
PS I just discovered a simple way to make beautiful ice.
If you are interested, let me know.


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Nude_5.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Spirit Dreamer,

The bkgrd is looking really great! The icicles are really cool, it's a funny but interesting contrast between the warm (almost tropical) colors and the icicles hanging from the branches. :)

Are you sure I can't convince you to adjust her chest? She has rather a bullish upper torso which is very thick at the top, but it's a total judgement call and up to you as to whether or not you wish to change it. :)

Keep going, and I can't wait to see this finished! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[jcmars]

Thanks for the great feedback everyone, your suggestions were very helpful. Below is the finished product, there are a few things I can still see that need correcting, but it's time to move on. I actually finished cleaning this up a few days ago, but I wanted to post with a real response. Of course, now the next workshop has started, so it's a little late for that.

I hope everyone finishes their works in progress, however, as I'm interested in seeing the final results.

Rebecca: Thanks for the positive feedback, and I'll definitely be posting some real media pieces in the near future.

Spirit Dreamer: I really love the close-up of your piece; great detail in her face. I think her torso looks a little top-heavy, particularly the area behind her shoulder seems thicker.

b2dermawan: Really nice blocking of the figure. I can't wait to see more progress on it.

Kdeezy: Nice detail in her face, although her neck looks a little short. Great start, can't wait to see more.

I'm sorry if I missed anyone. I'm looking forward to checking out the next workshop.

1600x1200 Image (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/sevenmars/Fig2Final1600x1200.jpg)


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/sevenmars/Fig2Final800x600.jpg

[Rebeccak]

SevenMars,

WOW!!! :thumbsup: I would say that your 4th post is definitely a success! :) Congrats on completing such an excellent piece! :) I think your proportions are really good, your rendering of the body excellent, and the hair is beautifully done. It's good that the most careful rendering was done around her head and upper torso, as these are the focal points of the picture. I also like that the pose is not over~rendered or over~done ~ you seem to have struck a nice balance, so that the viewer is not hit over the head with the fact that this is a digital piece.

Great job on the face especially! :thumbsup:

Great work in this thread! I really look forward to your participation in OFDW 003, and in the Anatomy Forum in general! :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[Samanthie]

SevenMars..this came out beautifully! Wonderful job and I really like her face!:)

[allenatl]

Great job, SevenMars! Like the stylized hair. The face has an elf-like quality and a lot of personality.

[Lemog]

mmmh... SevenMars... Great stuff... :thumbsup: and very great lesson for us... and surely for me... :)

[mybutterflyiris]

Ok, so I'm still working... here is an update... I don't know how much time I will have to work more on this ... so yeah... Oh and...that squirrel just kind of sneaked in :D



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/mightyevilbunny/humananat3.jpg

[Rebeccak]

mybutterflyiris,

Wow!!! I think this has really come along! ROFL, that squirrel is just too funny...I understand that the Challenge is taking up lots of time...but I think if you did one little tweak on this, it would be great ~ the right bottom leg just needs to be colored a bit more. Right now it's a bit shiny and gray.

Great work, and thank you for participating!!! Hope to see more of your work here when the Challenge is over. ;)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[jcmars]

Thanks for the positive responses everyone, not to mention the warm welcome to the forum! I really enjoyed this workshop, and it was great to get some constructive feedback.

Rebecca: Thanks! I struggled with not over-working the piece, as I wanted to retain my own style of painting but also exploit the benefits of digital media. I definitely learned a lot about digital painting.

Samanthie, Allenatl, and Lemog: Thanks for the great feedback! :)

Mybutterflyiris: Beautiful color on her abdomen. I'm a little worried about the squirrel's motives, though. :hmm:

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Rebecca
You're right as usual. Her torso was a little on the buffish side.
Must have been from climbing in those trees.
Maybe hanging out with Tarzan too much. Ha Ha.
Anyway, I feminized her torso a little. What do you think?
Also been reading and studying a book I got at the library called
"Techniques of the World's Great Painters" by Waldemar Januszczak.
Great book, simple to understand.
Trying to incorporate different techniques of the masters:
lighting, color temperature, etc.
into each of these paintings. Just an experiment.
Each of these is a little different.
Losing some of the detail in figure in the process,
but going back in to refine figure where necessary
with oil brushes and tints etc. Changing color of figure to
match surrounding colors etc.
Just started the next model -003 this afternoon.
Probably have a small series posted this week end.
Off to a good start so far.
Well that's it for now.
Let me know what you think when you get a chance.
Thanks again for the sound advice and the subtle push.
Take care
Glenn




http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Final_Nude_1.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Final_Nude_2.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Final_Nude_3.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Final_Nude_4.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Final_Nude_5.jpg


http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Final_Nude_6.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Spirit Dreamer,

As usual, it is great to see your progression sequence! :) You have definitely worked really hard on this, and I think your results are really excellent. :thumbsup:

She definitely looks less buff and Tarzan/Jane~like, lol!! :) Thank you for taking comments so well. :)

Color~wise, I really like something in between maybe #3 and #4 ~ I think the later ones are over~saturated, and you are losing your hard~won detail.

The only thing that I notice being amiss in terms of the figure is that the breast seems a bit too low on her torso ~ in the photo, only the bottom 3/4 of her right breast is showing, the rest being hidden by her arm. In your image, the entire breast seems to be showing, which I think is throwing things off. But that is a judgement call. :)

Great work, Spirit Dreamer, and thank you for being such a great participant in the OFDWs!!! I really look forward to seeing more great work in OFDW 003!!! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[Crassisco]

hi...i don't know if you noticed it but my link now is correct and shows my drawn picture.
:)
Now i'll start with the third part.

Kassjan

[Rebeccak]

Kassjan,

No problem, thanks for fixing the link! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2611177&postcount=389):)

Your drawing looks really good so far, and if by 'third part' you mean, painting, that will be great! Or, if you meant the OFDW 003, I definitely look forward to seeing your work there! :)

I think in this drawing the proportions are looking very good. The only thing that looks a bit odd to me is the hair ~ it looks to be a bit too far lifted off of the head, though this is an easy thing to fix.

Will you be doing any digital or traditional painting? :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[kaylon]

Took mine a little further tonight...sorta Frazetta style (inspired by DSG topic) .. all done from my mind, no colour ref.


http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/4229/femaleseatedflat2ef.jpg


Focusing on the body so the face is very vague still :) ...

K.

[Rebeccak]

kaylon,

I really love the color environment of this piece so far, and the mood these soft muted blues are making is terrific!

I would caution you to rework the head and neck area before you go too far painting~wise. The face needs more detail and work to make it look more dimensional, and currently, the figure needs more distance between the top of the breasts (where they connect with the chest) and the pit of the neck. The top of her head currently appears a bit flat, which I know is a result of your adjusting the hair...this time I think she just needs a bit more height on the hair (not too much) to show that she has a rounded skull.

Keep going with this, and I definitely look forward to your updates! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[dbclemons]

Finally got around to the other figure today. It's just pencil @ 12x9". Tried making a background in charcoal, but thought it looked better without one.

http://www.dbclemons.com/tutorials/wkshp02_01.JPG


-David

[Rebeccak]

David,

Good lord, that is an amazing drawing!!! Nothing to crit ~ that's incredible!!! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[jinnseng]

DB
Wow, nice delicate touch with pencil. That's a great drawing.

[dbclemons]

Woo-hoo! They like it!:bounce:

Thanks folks. I was planning on going to ink with this but the pencil just wouldn't stop. :)

-David

[b2dermawan]

Glad that this class's still going strong!

Kdeezy: nice improvement! those time are well spent indeed. your colors are looking great too. my 2-cents if you dont mind, are to do your background so you'll get better idea how to play with those colors, and try rotate your pic horizontally to give fresh perspective about the pic. right now the neck is a lil too thick and her left leg feels bigger than her right. but overall it's already lookin great so keep it up i say:thumbsup: .

Rebeccak: thanks for the great feed-back, as usual! keeping them in my heart too.
and hey congrats! as have been said, great piece:applause: ! and nice pick of color, they manage to tune down some hazardness in the b/w version. Congrats again! (though i secretly hope you'll give her another try when you've got more time:) ).

Samanthie: thanks, really appreciate it. this grayscale's supposed to be a study so don't think i'll do the color version. and what do u mean with way behind for class 03? nooo! then i'm a much more left over!

Crassico: hey nice sketch! esp like the face and the head position, not exactly ref-like, but i like it. keep updating!

Spirit Dreamer: Love it so far, getting more and more natural to me. About the "Z" concept thing, heck i dunno how to explain it, don't have enough art-technical bg i'm afraid. it's just a tip given from a friend who's working as a photo and film-editor. mainly because if your pic has the "z feel" (constucted from the placement of objects, lights, lineworks, etc in the pic) over it, the composition (golden area, balances and lineflows) should feel okay at minimum, this's statistically proven as used in most pic. off course, it doesnt always have to be Z feel to get the most effective composition, but could be said as the easiest, at least for me anyway. more 2-cents? u sure? well, you could try live-ning up your upper-right corner (maybe w more those closer ice-branches, or shimmering far bg, or both) to make your line-flows work more:). Regarding your latest set-up, i've got to stick w the 2nd one. and again really enjoy seeing such great pic in this thread.

SevenMars: yeah! really enjoy your use of colors and warm feel from it. everything's done masterfully, congrats!

mybutterflyiris: getting great! keep at it. and *lol* toward the squirrel (so this's where you've been hiding from the avatar war at dsf, eh? nice spot though, i give you that :))

kaylon: nice work so far. looking forward to the update!

dbclemons: wow just simply great! must be a hell of a job to render the fabric, as the result's trully amazing!

......
Anyway, have been slacking-off this week i know... but i manage to find the time at last this week-end, and work more on it. There're lots of things i've learned and reminded, esp about values, while doing it. So while the result's nothing close to satisfactory, i'm quite content to call it finished. However, c&c-s are always gratefully welcomed.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/bdermawan/class2fig1fin.jpg

<whimpers> argh class 03 has reached page 7, already? Nooo!! *hurriedly off to class 03*

[Rebeccak]

b2dermawan,

Thanks for all these great comments, and I agree, I need to finish my piece later! :) I'm happy to see you continue to work on your piece, and I think it has come along really nicely. :)

The major thing that I notice (and I understand if you want to leave it at this point) is that her right (hanging) leg is way too big for the rest of the figure. If you cover her upper torso and JUST look at the legs, and then cover the legs and JUST look at the torso, you will see what I mean ~ her right leg is for a figure 2~2 1/2 times larger than she is.

However, having said that, the rendering of the right leg in and of itself is fantastic, and I think you did a really amazing job on her right foot. I think if you were to scale the entire leg down, you would be in great shape! :)

Finally, I like the upper portion of the bkgrd better than the lower portion, which looks a bit hastily done.

I have to say, the face, lower right arm and hand, torso, and right leg and foot are rendered fantastically! :cool: It's just the proportion of that one leg which is throwing things off.

Overall, great work, and I hope to see you in the OFDW 003! :wip:

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[dbclemons]

I'm of an opinion that in b2dermawan's drawing it's not that the leg is too big, but that the head is too small. This seems to throw the scale off a bit. I'm just eyeballing it, but it might be worth checking. Also, in the photo the shoulder is a slightly different shape. Otherwise, very nice.

-DBC

[b2dermawan]

Rebeccak: hey thanks a lot for the great feedback! and damn girl u type in light speed *lol*!

about the leg and torso proportion thing, i too was thinking that it's quite upnormal. and having a traumatic exp with the last figure having weird leg proportion, i checked out the ref this time, and actually measure the torso and leg proportion. However, the result is true that the torso takes 5 cm while the leg takes 15 cm out of 20 cm total length of the body (you should check it too i think). i studied it more to see why and how it happened, and found out that it's a matter of perspective. the body lies not in perfect horizontal line on the table, but more around 15 degree to left back. i guess the strong and even lights make it harder to perceive this fact at first look. but i agree some area esp the toes are longer than it should.

thanks again, and i'm looking at the class 03 figs right now. getting better i say wohoo!

dbclemons: sorry missed u there (shit i reaally should learn type faster). now i do have to admit that the head was made smaller than the ref. thanks for the feed back, and will check on the shoulder you mentioned.

[Rebeccak]

David,

Hmm, you could be right...here is the photo (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Open%20Figure%20DrawingWkshp_002/characterdesigns004_done.jpg) for comparison.

EDIT: I agree, the head does look a bit small...however, I still think that the leg is too large, and especially the foot.

Yep, you're right, b2 ~ the proportions are definitely tricky because of that backward slant on the table. You're smart to have actually have measured it, I'll do that too, as I generally just eyeball things. Good work!!

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

David,

I hope you are planning to paint your piece ~ will you go digital or traditional this time? :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

[xodibox]

Still playing catch-up. She looks a bit emeciated, but I really liked the roughed out torso, so I left it be.

http://www.quickbrownfox.ca/DSG/life-drawing2.jpg

[Rebeccak]

xodibox,

Wow!! You have some really beautiful colors and tones going on there, and the skin really feels luminous and distinct from the differently textured surface she is lying on. I really love the subtle change from dark black to luminous green, I think there is a very interesting, hard to pinpoint mood in this piece which is really appealing.

Despite the fact that there are some proportional and drawing problems, I agree with you, and I really like how this looks, even if the way it turned out was not completely intentional. The main thing I would say is that her rib is tiny and could probably be simultaneously enlarged and softened without too much aggravation.

What I have suggested to a lot of folks, and what I did myself, was to rotate both the painting and the photo reference 90 degrees clockwise, and work on the image that way. This I think will allow you to more easily work on the face, and will also allow you to see the figure in a new way, which may lead you to adjust your drawing. Hope this helps! :)

Great work so far, and I hope you post an update! :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[xodibox]

thanks for the kind words!

I actually did flip it 90 degress at one point but it was more on a whim... definitely something I should add to my bag of tricks during the construction phase to help sort out problems with proportion.

Fresh eyes are helpfull too, as I noticed right away what you said about my work in 001 after
taking a break from it...

cheers.

[fooxoo]

My second attept at this fun thread, this is really educating :P :D Pencil, paper and about 2 hours or so. :)

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9496/scan00325mr.jpg

[Rebeccak]

fooxoo,

Wow! So fast...the body looks fantastic! The shading is really, really nice, and I especially like the shading done on the fabric. :thumbsup:

Two minor points ~ her left hand looks a bit large, and I think the face needs to have more depth. Try to make the eye look as though it is sitting within the eyesocket. Additionally, I think she needs a bit more mass at the back of the skull and at the top ~ eyes generally fall in about the middle of the face, and right now they are a bit too high in the head as it is.

But really great work, and I hope to see more! :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

[Bsmith]

man this thead is really slowing down.

Either way, I just got my own wacom so I should be posting something soon hopefully.

[pushav]

Everyone went to the 004 and the 005 threads now. Hope to see your stuff there.

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