Purc
10-13-2005, 10:41 PM
wow thnx for the links. I just scrolled trough them and its alot of info.
Gonna check it in the weekend. Thnx :thumbsup:
Gonna check it in the weekend. Thnx :thumbsup:
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Rebeccak
10-13-2005, 11:01 PM
Purc,
No prob! I haven't a clue as to what has happened to Shaun, and am working to find another person to help with this Workshop. Shaun, if you're out there, contact me! At any rate, I will be looking again at this Workshop this weekend and trying to figure out what to do in terms of getting it back on track. In the meantime, please continue with the book's Exercises. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
No prob! I haven't a clue as to what has happened to Shaun, and am working to find another person to help with this Workshop. Shaun, if you're out there, contact me! At any rate, I will be looking again at this Workshop this weekend and trying to figure out what to do in terms of getting it back on track. In the meantime, please continue with the book's Exercises. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Dracofodder
10-21-2005, 07:18 PM
Ok, I've tried this lesson several times. And with different media. Not sure if I'm getting what I need out of it. I did notice that neither media came up with anything "better" in presentation. But, in both cases (and maybe this was the point?) I lost track of time as I concentrated on the edges.
My only real question to myself while doing this, was do I follow the "grander" wrinkle edges only, or start to follow the whirls of palmprint ridges.
That said, my image submission is one done on the tablet (left) and one done with paper and pencil (right).
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/3881/lesson4wacomnpencil6mx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
My only real question to myself while doing this, was do I follow the "grander" wrinkle edges only, or start to follow the whirls of palmprint ridges.
That said, my image submission is one done on the tablet (left) and one done with paper and pencil (right).
http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/3881/lesson4wacomnpencil6mx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Rebeccak
10-23-2005, 04:52 PM
Ok, I've tried this lesson several times. And with different media. Not sure if I'm getting what I need out of it. I did notice that neither media came up with anything "better" in presentation. But, in both cases (and maybe this was the point?) I lost track of time as I concentrated on the edges.
My only real question to myself while doing this, was do I follow the "grander" wrinkle edges only, or start to follow the whirls of palmprint ridges.
Dracofodder, I think you did get what you needed out of this exercise ~ I think the point is to begin to understand, as Edwards says on page 95, that "In drawing, an edge is where two things come together. In the Pure Contour Drawing...for example, the edge you drew was the place (the wrinkle) where two parts of the flesh of your palm came together ro form a single boundary for both parts. That shared boundary, in drawing, is described by a line that is called a contour line. In drawing, therefore, a line...is always the border of two things simultaneously ~ that is, a shared edge...To sum up this concept: In drawing, an edge is always a shared boundary."
I'm happy to see you tried this in both media ~ like all of these exercises, the point is not product but perception. Your results will most likely be less in terms of a perfect drawing, and more in terms of an increased understanding of how we see and perceive, and translate that perception into a drawing.
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
My only real question to myself while doing this, was do I follow the "grander" wrinkle edges only, or start to follow the whirls of palmprint ridges.
Dracofodder, I think you did get what you needed out of this exercise ~ I think the point is to begin to understand, as Edwards says on page 95, that "In drawing, an edge is where two things come together. In the Pure Contour Drawing...for example, the edge you drew was the place (the wrinkle) where two parts of the flesh of your palm came together ro form a single boundary for both parts. That shared boundary, in drawing, is described by a line that is called a contour line. In drawing, therefore, a line...is always the border of two things simultaneously ~ that is, a shared edge...To sum up this concept: In drawing, an edge is always a shared boundary."
I'm happy to see you tried this in both media ~ like all of these exercises, the point is not product but perception. Your results will most likely be less in terms of a perfect drawing, and more in terms of an increased understanding of how we see and perceive, and translate that perception into a drawing.
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Purc
10-30-2005, 12:21 AM
He Rebeccak.. did you hear something from Shaun allready?
Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 01:09 AM
Purc,
Shaun is completely MIA. I even tried calling...no response...:shrug:
I feel really terribly for neglecting this Workshop...I'll try to get it back on track tomorrow.
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Shaun is completely MIA. I even tried calling...no response...:shrug:
I feel really terribly for neglecting this Workshop...I'll try to get it back on track tomorrow.
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
imax
10-30-2005, 03:42 PM
Hi,
After finally receiving my copy of the book, I have tried to catch up on the exercises lately.
First I have to say that I considered myself pretty left-sided - from a brain point of view. But to my surprise I found out that it was not too hard for me to shift to R-mode, it felt pretty natural to me. Although I am not particular good at drawing, I always enjoyed it when I was younger and I still think that I do a lot of things in R-mode, which could explain why I sometimes really have a hard time finding the right words if I want to express myself. ;-)
Here are my pieces of art, for the upside down drawing exercises. Some parts are out of proportion, but in general I feel quite happy with them.
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/picasso.jpg
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/knight.jpg
I also did the controur drawing exercise. The first try (above) was with my right hand, which I usually use for writing and drawing, but the five minutes went by too fast, so I did not get too far. Then I tried it, out of curiosity, with me left hand, and a bit quicker this time (below).
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/hand_wrinkles.jpg
I did not bother doing it again with the right hand.
I have to say that I enjoy the book, the exercises and this thread very much and I am looking forward to what is still to come. Thank you Rebeccak for starting this.
After finally receiving my copy of the book, I have tried to catch up on the exercises lately.
First I have to say that I considered myself pretty left-sided - from a brain point of view. But to my surprise I found out that it was not too hard for me to shift to R-mode, it felt pretty natural to me. Although I am not particular good at drawing, I always enjoyed it when I was younger and I still think that I do a lot of things in R-mode, which could explain why I sometimes really have a hard time finding the right words if I want to express myself. ;-)
Here are my pieces of art, for the upside down drawing exercises. Some parts are out of proportion, but in general I feel quite happy with them.
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/picasso.jpg
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/knight.jpg
I also did the controur drawing exercise. The first try (above) was with my right hand, which I usually use for writing and drawing, but the five minutes went by too fast, so I did not get too far. Then I tried it, out of curiosity, with me left hand, and a bit quicker this time (below).
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/hand_wrinkles.jpg
I did not bother doing it again with the right hand.
I have to say that I enjoy the book, the exercises and this thread very much and I am looking forward to what is still to come. Thank you Rebeccak for starting this.
Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 08:29 PM
imax,
Hey there, welcome to the forum ~ great to see your exercises! :) Well, I'm going to try to get things back on track soon with this Workshop...glad to have you aboard! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Hey there, welcome to the forum ~ great to see your exercises! :) Well, I'm going to try to get things back on track soon with this Workshop...glad to have you aboard! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
NOOB!
10-30-2005, 08:43 PM
yeh get sum work done Ms. K
Spent all day at Rebecca kimmel.com studying your technique.
My eyes where utterly betwixed from the sheer brilliantality of the artistical talent achieved directly onto the paper ,from which I obtained an extravagant amount of inspiration.
it was a phenomenal experience.
.........
Spent all day at Rebecca kimmel.com studying your technique.
My eyes where utterly betwixed from the sheer brilliantality of the artistical talent achieved directly onto the paper ,from which I obtained an extravagant amount of inspiration.
it was a phenomenal experience.
.........
Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 08:45 PM
NOOB,
Lol. :) Thanks for the compliments, my friend. Don't hurt yourself with them, though! :scream:
Cheers, ;)
~Rebeccak
Lol. :) Thanks for the compliments, my friend. Don't hurt yourself with them, though! :scream:
Cheers, ;)
~Rebeccak
NOOB!
10-30-2005, 08:52 PM
sorry,my college professer is real posh,i was imitating him.
Ms K! i have on question before i take my leave,do u mostly use charcoal sticks or charcoal pencils???
i've secretly been tryin to imitate ur work but i can't get *THE LOOK*
Ms K! i have on question before i take my leave,do u mostly use charcoal sticks or charcoal pencils???
i've secretly been tryin to imitate ur work but i can't get *THE LOOK*
Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 09:00 PM
NOOB,
LOL! :) Okay, here is a post from the "Life Drawing" thread where I show my and Pixel Colada's drawing materials ~ he and I were trained in basically the same way, so, like twins separated at birth and reunited, we use the same materials. :)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2697744&postcount=96
Hope this helps. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
LOL! :) Okay, here is a post from the "Life Drawing" thread where I show my and Pixel Colada's drawing materials ~ he and I were trained in basically the same way, so, like twins separated at birth and reunited, we use the same materials. :)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2697744&postcount=96
Hope this helps. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Sagii
11-02-2005, 06:49 PM
err... i am terrible i said I would join and then alas never did... what exercise are we on? I brought the book with me to school.. and I will draw Dam it! So how much crazy catching up do I have to do? ...
Rebeccak
11-02-2005, 09:05 PM
Ines,
Start with the first 3 Exercises. Slacker! :p
Cheers, ;)
~Rebeccak
Start with the first 3 Exercises. Slacker! :p
Cheers, ;)
~Rebeccak
Dracofodder
11-03-2005, 03:52 AM
Rebeccak,
I have been reading ahead (oh no) :) and am wondering about the next set of exercises and their use of a frame with a plastic sheet.
Before I go rummaging through the house, in order to put something like that together, I wanted to know if we were doing that exercise in the exact manner identified? Or if there was some alternative suggestions.
I actually was thinking on just going down to the hardware store and getting a single small sheet of thin plexiglass, and skip trying to make a frame for the thing.
Or is the frame an integral part of honing our perceptions of the contours?
I don't want to miss out on what I should be learning/developing here by taking a shortcut on the materials.
I have been reading ahead (oh no) :) and am wondering about the next set of exercises and their use of a frame with a plastic sheet.
Before I go rummaging through the house, in order to put something like that together, I wanted to know if we were doing that exercise in the exact manner identified? Or if there was some alternative suggestions.
I actually was thinking on just going down to the hardware store and getting a single small sheet of thin plexiglass, and skip trying to make a frame for the thing.
Or is the frame an integral part of honing our perceptions of the contours?
I don't want to miss out on what I should be learning/developing here by taking a shortcut on the materials.
Rebeccak
11-03-2005, 03:58 AM
Dracofodder,
Thank you for the pre~emptive question...I think a small piece of plexi would be just fine ~ hardware stores can cut it down for you to a specified size ~ I think the frame is so that you don't cut yourself on the edges. For a cheap solution, I would just recommend using the universal remedy to every question known to man ~ *DUCT TAPE*. :cool: I think taping off the edges with Duct Tape is a perfectly reasonable solution to having to construct a frame. :) Just make sure that you are really protected from sharp edges ~ no need trying to draw a foreshortened and bloodied hand! :)
Looking forward to seeing the results of this exercise! :)
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Thank you for the pre~emptive question...I think a small piece of plexi would be just fine ~ hardware stores can cut it down for you to a specified size ~ I think the frame is so that you don't cut yourself on the edges. For a cheap solution, I would just recommend using the universal remedy to every question known to man ~ *DUCT TAPE*. :cool: I think taping off the edges with Duct Tape is a perfectly reasonable solution to having to construct a frame. :) Just make sure that you are really protected from sharp edges ~ no need trying to draw a foreshortened and bloodied hand! :)
Looking forward to seeing the results of this exercise! :)
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Lyneran
11-04-2005, 09:07 PM
hi everyone! i'm a newbie here! i've played around with digital painting a bit before, but a friend suggested that i work on my drawing first, so err.. is it too late to join this workshop? i'll try my best to catch up! if i can't join in anymore, does anyone know if another one for beginners will come up sometime soon? thanks a bunch! :)
Rebeccak
11-04-2005, 10:01 PM
Lyneran,
Welcome aboard! :) No worries ~ feel free to jump in at any point! Do you have the book? I would start on the first few exercises, and see how it goes. Feel free to work digitally, or traditionally, or both. If you will be working digitally, do you own a Wacom tablet? I would not wish painting with a mouse on my worst enemy! :scream:
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Welcome aboard! :) No worries ~ feel free to jump in at any point! Do you have the book? I would start on the first few exercises, and see how it goes. Feel free to work digitally, or traditionally, or both. If you will be working digitally, do you own a Wacom tablet? I would not wish painting with a mouse on my worst enemy! :scream:
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Lyneran
11-05-2005, 08:14 PM
nthanks so much ms. kimmeL! :) btw, how come it seems Like everyone in this workshop have gone on hiatus? this thread is a treasure of a find! there aren't a Lot of forums on the net where beginners can post work and get serious c&c from pros after aLL.. :shrug:
anyway i'm trying to catch up so i worked through a coupLe of the exercises:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Lyneran/ex1-6.jpg
i found the 2nd exercise (2nd pic on Left) sooo difficuLt! i couLd recaLL my mom's face but the features were fuzzy. i'd probabLy Lose a month's aLLowance if she saw this.
anyway, here's the next:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Lyneran/ex7.jpg
i couLdn't find graphite stick in the nearby stores so i tried charcoaL, but it was a mess. so i just tried again, using just my penciL to tone the paper this time.
oh btw, isn't r-mode supposed to be a wordLess state of mind? weLL i experience the Loss of sense of time, but for some reason my Left brain just wanders around and jabbers about random stuff whiLe i'm doing the exercises, is that part of r-mode? err.. someone heLp me shut my Left brain up pLease! :D
anyway i'm trying to catch up so i worked through a coupLe of the exercises:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Lyneran/ex1-6.jpg
i found the 2nd exercise (2nd pic on Left) sooo difficuLt! i couLd recaLL my mom's face but the features were fuzzy. i'd probabLy Lose a month's aLLowance if she saw this.
anyway, here's the next:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/Lyneran/ex7.jpg
i couLdn't find graphite stick in the nearby stores so i tried charcoaL, but it was a mess. so i just tried again, using just my penciL to tone the paper this time.
oh btw, isn't r-mode supposed to be a wordLess state of mind? weLL i experience the Loss of sense of time, but for some reason my Left brain just wanders around and jabbers about random stuff whiLe i'm doing the exercises, is that part of r-mode? err.. someone heLp me shut my Left brain up pLease! :D
Lyneran
11-05-2005, 09:45 PM
hi again guys! i'm sorry, i think i skipped ahead on the exercise! i'm dazed as usuaL! maybe my brain's maLfunctioning coz of aLL this shifting! LoL :scream: so anyway, i decided to use the next few weeks to comment on others' work, and maybe make a few friends in the process :)
1st off, big big thanks to ms rebeccak for this thread and for sharing so much of her time and skiLLs!! i hope you don't object to being worshipped!! :thumbsup:
[ imax ]
hey that's reaLLy nice work, especiaLLy the one with the foreshortened horse. it seems that you're pretty comfortabLe with shifting to r-mode. hmm.. i think i'LL try using my Left hand with the pure contour from now on too, we came up with simiLar first try resuLts. thanks for the idea :)
[ dracofodder ]
i was confused which Lines (pure contour drawing) to foLLow as weLL! it aLso made me wonder if i'm doing it right or if i was getting the point of the exercise at aLL. i'm gLad ms k cLeared that up for both of us. Looking forward to seeing more of your work :thumbsup:
[ gh33da ]
ei i reaLLy encourage you to post! it'LL make the cLimb to the top so much more fun, and since no one reaLLy gets to the "top" in drawing, Let's make a party out of the cLimb! we'd be reaLLy gLad to see your stuff. :)
okei, my net's going haywire atm, and some images won't Load, so i'LL cont. commenting Later (i'm working my way back from the newest posts). i'd better catch up on sLeep for now! see ya guys Later! :bounce:
1st off, big big thanks to ms rebeccak for this thread and for sharing so much of her time and skiLLs!! i hope you don't object to being worshipped!! :thumbsup:
[ imax ]
hey that's reaLLy nice work, especiaLLy the one with the foreshortened horse. it seems that you're pretty comfortabLe with shifting to r-mode. hmm.. i think i'LL try using my Left hand with the pure contour from now on too, we came up with simiLar first try resuLts. thanks for the idea :)
[ dracofodder ]
i was confused which Lines (pure contour drawing) to foLLow as weLL! it aLso made me wonder if i'm doing it right or if i was getting the point of the exercise at aLL. i'm gLad ms k cLeared that up for both of us. Looking forward to seeing more of your work :thumbsup:
[ gh33da ]
ei i reaLLy encourage you to post! it'LL make the cLimb to the top so much more fun, and since no one reaLLy gets to the "top" in drawing, Let's make a party out of the cLimb! we'd be reaLLy gLad to see your stuff. :)
okei, my net's going haywire atm, and some images won't Load, so i'LL cont. commenting Later (i'm working my way back from the newest posts). i'd better catch up on sLeep for now! see ya guys Later! :bounce:
Rebeccak
11-06-2005, 04:17 PM
Lyneran,
Hey, thanks for the comments! :) I think that the Workshop has slowed a bit due to the fact that the person who was helping me to run it has mysteriously disappeared...no one knows what's happened. :shrug:
But, I'm happy to see this thread run for as long as people show interest. :)
I checked out your work, these look really nice! Are you sure you're a beginner? :)
One thing that you can do to make your images appear instead of links is to copy and paste the photobucket/image URL into the little yellow mountain/sun icon in the EDIT POST text editor. That way, lazy people like me can see your work right away without having to click on a link. :)
Great to see your stuff here! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Hey, thanks for the comments! :) I think that the Workshop has slowed a bit due to the fact that the person who was helping me to run it has mysteriously disappeared...no one knows what's happened. :shrug:
But, I'm happy to see this thread run for as long as people show interest. :)
I checked out your work, these look really nice! Are you sure you're a beginner? :)
One thing that you can do to make your images appear instead of links is to copy and paste the photobucket/image URL into the little yellow mountain/sun icon in the EDIT POST text editor. That way, lazy people like me can see your work right away without having to click on a link. :)
Great to see your stuff here! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Lyneran
11-07-2005, 05:15 PM
aww that's too bad. :sad: weLL, i guess i'LL just do the rest of the exercises on my own for now and hoLd off posting tiLL the other peopLe post again.
anyway, thanks for commenting on my work. :) me? not a beginner? you're the 1st to suggest that (very kind of you too) and that's the best compLiment anyone's ever given my work so far (which is kind of sad if you think about it LoL :scream: okei i'LL stop being a dork now :D
anyway, thanks for commenting on my work. :) me? not a beginner? you're the 1st to suggest that (very kind of you too) and that's the best compLiment anyone's ever given my work so far (which is kind of sad if you think about it LoL :scream: okei i'LL stop being a dork now :D
imax
11-07-2005, 08:41 PM
Lyneran,
Thank you for your nice comments. Although I also have to say that your drawings do not look very beginners like to me. So you have either a lot of talent and a good eye, or you practised already :D
iMax
Thank you for your nice comments. Although I also have to say that your drawings do not look very beginners like to me. So you have either a lot of talent and a good eye, or you practised already :D
iMax
my tom
11-07-2005, 09:29 PM
this workshop is a neat idea! i picked this book up a couple of days ago and just now found this thread. I'm in. Here are my upside down drawings:
(I'm really looking forward to improving big time)
http://www.notsosimplestudio.com/edwards/upsideDownKnight.jpg
http://www.notsosimplestudio.com/edwards/upsideDownPicasso.jpg
(I'm really looking forward to improving big time)
http://www.notsosimplestudio.com/edwards/upsideDownKnight.jpg
http://www.notsosimplestudio.com/edwards/upsideDownPicasso.jpg
Rebeccak
11-07-2005, 09:44 PM
my tom,
Hey there, welcome aboard! :) Sorry I can't post too much at the moment since I'm at work, but I'm happy you serendipitously bought the book and found the workshop! :)
Hope that you find the exercises in the book to be helpful!
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Hey there, welcome aboard! :) Sorry I can't post too much at the moment since I'm at work, but I'm happy you serendipitously bought the book and found the workshop! :)
Hope that you find the exercises in the book to be helpful!
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
my tom
11-08-2005, 02:19 AM
thanks for the welcome Rebecca! I'm stoked to follow this with the other guys and just learn together with everybody. Thanks for heading this up!
i worked on the hand today :)
http://www.notsosimplestudio.com/edwards/hand.jpg
i worked on the hand today :)
http://www.notsosimplestudio.com/edwards/hand.jpg
Rebeccak
11-08-2005, 02:53 AM
my tom,
Hey, nice piece! Now, I can't believe that you are a total beginner from looking at this. :) Have you had art training before? :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Hey, nice piece! Now, I can't believe that you are a total beginner from looking at this. :) Have you had art training before? :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
my tom
11-08-2005, 03:42 AM
Rebecca,
I'm taking this as a compliment. Thanks! But yes i'm a total beginner in drawing. Maybe not in art though - as I'm a flash designer. I took Drawing 101 in college, but sad to say i really didn't get whole lot out of it. I never really got past my childish scribbles. I'm being totally serious. Honestly, i think i surprised myself with this hand, even though i can see now it's messed up in a lot of places. For some reason things are starting to fall into place for me ever since i got this book. Crazy. I'm on chapter7 - negative space
thanks again
I'm taking this as a compliment. Thanks! But yes i'm a total beginner in drawing. Maybe not in art though - as I'm a flash designer. I took Drawing 101 in college, but sad to say i really didn't get whole lot out of it. I never really got past my childish scribbles. I'm being totally serious. Honestly, i think i surprised myself with this hand, even though i can see now it's messed up in a lot of places. For some reason things are starting to fall into place for me ever since i got this book. Crazy. I'm on chapter7 - negative space
thanks again
Rebeccak
11-08-2005, 04:00 AM
my tom,
It is a compliment. :) Well, it's funny how some things can make sense at certain points in your life. When you're younger, there's a whole host of factors which often prevent us from learning as much as we can ~ distractions, stubborness, who knows. :) At any rate, I'm happy to see things are clicking with you. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
It is a compliment. :) Well, it's funny how some things can make sense at certain points in your life. When you're younger, there's a whole host of factors which often prevent us from learning as much as we can ~ distractions, stubborness, who knows. :) At any rate, I'm happy to see things are clicking with you. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Rebeccak
11-08-2005, 06:17 AM
Everyone,
I just spoke with Shaun, and I am sorry to report that he suffered more complications from his car accident than was originally thought to be wrong. He is fine but has spent a lot of time recuperating from these complications, and will not likely be posting anytime soon. Ironically, I think Shaun feels worse about not being able to be involved with the Workshop than about his medical complications. He really misses the community here, and extends his apologies for his absence.
I have reassured Shaun that he is most welcome to come back to the Workshop at any point, be that in a month or a year. However, for the time being he needs to focus on adjusting to new circumstances and will not be able to be involved very much with the forum for a while. I definitely know that Shaun deeply regrets this. He sends everyone his regards.
Thanks everyone for their support of Shaun! :) I've told him that he's missed.
~Rebeccak
I just spoke with Shaun, and I am sorry to report that he suffered more complications from his car accident than was originally thought to be wrong. He is fine but has spent a lot of time recuperating from these complications, and will not likely be posting anytime soon. Ironically, I think Shaun feels worse about not being able to be involved with the Workshop than about his medical complications. He really misses the community here, and extends his apologies for his absence.
I have reassured Shaun that he is most welcome to come back to the Workshop at any point, be that in a month or a year. However, for the time being he needs to focus on adjusting to new circumstances and will not be able to be involved very much with the forum for a while. I definitely know that Shaun deeply regrets this. He sends everyone his regards.
Thanks everyone for their support of Shaun! :) I've told him that he's missed.
~Rebeccak
Margie
11-10-2005, 09:11 AM
@Rebecca. I'm so very sorry to hear that! I'm sure you've sent him best wishes for speedy recovery from all of us and yes, he's missed.
I also know you are extremely busy with teaching the Gnomon workshop, but I'd like to see this thread continue. It's been going great so far and I think it's a wonderful opportunity for practising the basics of drawing. As you know, I've become a great admirer of the method Betty Edwards for more than one reason.
Most people have done the exercises of chapter 4. I'm quite impressed with how good all those drawings are.
What I'd like to know is what everybody thinks of how their drawing turned out. Were you surprised? Did it change anything in the way you look at things, particularly "scary, difficult to draw" things like eyes, faces, hands, forshortened limbs?
I ask this because I have noticed an almost dramatic change in perception, which seems to have started with the Picasso drawing. Instead of looking at a portrait and thinking by myself "I'd better do this right, oh no...I'm never going to catch the likeness of this person" and other thoughts of self-doubt, some of the shapes and edges became fascinating for some reason (like the curve of the armrest). This has carried over in all drawings I have done since and lead to a significant technical improvement. However, atm that is not the most important change for me. The funny thing is that I don't really care anymore if it's "technically correct" and paradoxically the less I care, the more it is, lol!
O.T. @. Rebecca. Have bought Julia Cameron too. Great book!
I also know you are extremely busy with teaching the Gnomon workshop, but I'd like to see this thread continue. It's been going great so far and I think it's a wonderful opportunity for practising the basics of drawing. As you know, I've become a great admirer of the method Betty Edwards for more than one reason.
Most people have done the exercises of chapter 4. I'm quite impressed with how good all those drawings are.
What I'd like to know is what everybody thinks of how their drawing turned out. Were you surprised? Did it change anything in the way you look at things, particularly "scary, difficult to draw" things like eyes, faces, hands, forshortened limbs?
I ask this because I have noticed an almost dramatic change in perception, which seems to have started with the Picasso drawing. Instead of looking at a portrait and thinking by myself "I'd better do this right, oh no...I'm never going to catch the likeness of this person" and other thoughts of self-doubt, some of the shapes and edges became fascinating for some reason (like the curve of the armrest). This has carried over in all drawings I have done since and lead to a significant technical improvement. However, atm that is not the most important change for me. The funny thing is that I don't really care anymore if it's "technically correct" and paradoxically the less I care, the more it is, lol!
O.T. @. Rebecca. Have bought Julia Cameron too. Great book!
Rebeccak
11-10-2005, 06:39 PM
Guys / Gals,
Margie has generously agreed to take over as co~host of this Workshop, along with myself. I have told Shaun that he is free to come back whenever or if ever he so chooses to do so, at which point there would be 3 co~hosts of this Workshop. :)
Look for the instructions for the next Exercises soon! :)
Thanks much to Margie for her willing participation in the hosting of this Workshop! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Margie has generously agreed to take over as co~host of this Workshop, along with myself. I have told Shaun that he is free to come back whenever or if ever he so chooses to do so, at which point there would be 3 co~hosts of this Workshop. :)
Look for the instructions for the next Exercises soon! :)
Thanks much to Margie for her willing participation in the hosting of this Workshop! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
imax
11-10-2005, 10:00 PM
Welcome Margie!
Thank you for taking over for Shaun while he is away, I wish the both of you the best.
I am not sure if my perception changed so dramatically, because I used to copy comics (mainly Garfield) when I was between 10 and 14. So I think I am somehow used to just replicating the things I see, although during the exercises I have got aware of this and I try to let it happen more consciously. I have never taken any drawing lessons, so I am very excited and happy about this opportunity and some guidance.
Unfortunately I haven't had much time lately to draw my hand yet, but I hope I can find some spare time this weekend.
Cheers,
iMax
Thank you for taking over for Shaun while he is away, I wish the both of you the best.
I am not sure if my perception changed so dramatically, because I used to copy comics (mainly Garfield) when I was between 10 and 14. So I think I am somehow used to just replicating the things I see, although during the exercises I have got aware of this and I try to let it happen more consciously. I have never taken any drawing lessons, so I am very excited and happy about this opportunity and some guidance.
Unfortunately I haven't had much time lately to draw my hand yet, but I hope I can find some spare time this weekend.
Cheers,
iMax
Margie
11-11-2005, 04:25 PM
Thank you Rebecca and cgtalk for this opportunity!
A little bit about myself:
As a child I was asked what I wanted to be. A very difficult question for me, everything creative seemed so much fun. No surprise I ended up doing several things in life.
I loved drawing, playing guitar and treble recorder, acting/dressing up, writing stories and devoured books.
After secondary school I went to the Gerrit Rietveld Academy for Art in Amsterdam. I didn't like it there. It was almost exclusively modern/non-figurative art and it simply didn't make sense to me. However, I'm forever grateful for the life drawing classes and the opportunity to experiment with a great number of media. I left the Academy in my second year and went on to study art & cultural history at the University of Amsterdam, where I got my "Drs" degree (similar to MA). I got a job as an art/ history teacher at a Montessori secondary school, which I enjoyed very much.
Unfortunately, the school closed in 1990. All that time I had also been studying classical guitar with Juun Voorhoeve and Eric Otte (Nederlands Gitaar Duo) in my free time and decided to take the entry exam for the Conservatory in Zwolle. I passed and studied with Hans de Weert for my teaching musician diploma and did masterclasses with the British concertguitarist John Mills. I set up shop as a private guitar teacher, which I also enjoyed very much. Disaster struck however: I developed Carpal Tunnel Syndrome which forced me to stop playing completely.
For fun I took courses in Film History and Interactive Multimedia. I learned about computer graphics during that course and have been learning more and more about 2d and 3D ever since, in which cgtalk has helped more than the entire course. Currently I work freelance in cgi and illustration and have two teenage daughters and a dog to keep me busy in case I get bored.
Anyway, that's a little about me. I am by no means an expert at drawing and will be posting and learning along with you. I'm looking forward to working with you all and
WILL POST NEW EXERCISES SHORTLY.
A little bit about myself:
As a child I was asked what I wanted to be. A very difficult question for me, everything creative seemed so much fun. No surprise I ended up doing several things in life.
I loved drawing, playing guitar and treble recorder, acting/dressing up, writing stories and devoured books.
After secondary school I went to the Gerrit Rietveld Academy for Art in Amsterdam. I didn't like it there. It was almost exclusively modern/non-figurative art and it simply didn't make sense to me. However, I'm forever grateful for the life drawing classes and the opportunity to experiment with a great number of media. I left the Academy in my second year and went on to study art & cultural history at the University of Amsterdam, where I got my "Drs" degree (similar to MA). I got a job as an art/ history teacher at a Montessori secondary school, which I enjoyed very much.
Unfortunately, the school closed in 1990. All that time I had also been studying classical guitar with Juun Voorhoeve and Eric Otte (Nederlands Gitaar Duo) in my free time and decided to take the entry exam for the Conservatory in Zwolle. I passed and studied with Hans de Weert for my teaching musician diploma and did masterclasses with the British concertguitarist John Mills. I set up shop as a private guitar teacher, which I also enjoyed very much. Disaster struck however: I developed Carpal Tunnel Syndrome which forced me to stop playing completely.
For fun I took courses in Film History and Interactive Multimedia. I learned about computer graphics during that course and have been learning more and more about 2d and 3D ever since, in which cgtalk has helped more than the entire course. Currently I work freelance in cgi and illustration and have two teenage daughters and a dog to keep me busy in case I get bored.
Anyway, that's a little about me. I am by no means an expert at drawing and will be posting and learning along with you. I'm looking forward to working with you all and
WILL POST NEW EXERCISES SHORTLY.
Rebeccak
11-11-2005, 04:44 PM
Welcome aboard, Margie! Wow, your story is so interesting...thanks for telling us something about yourself! :)
Looking forward to a reinvigorated Workshop! :wavey:
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Looking forward to a reinvigorated Workshop! :wavey:
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
default-rol
11-11-2005, 06:26 PM
Sorry to hear about Shaun - I knew he was the type of guy that would be here unless circumstances physically forced to stay away, (which they unfortunately have.) Get well soon!
@ Margie - A very warm welcome!! I look forward to running through the rest of the book with you, and appreciate you jumping in to assist an overly worked RebeccaK. :)
MIKE :D
@ Margie - A very warm welcome!! I look forward to running through the rest of the book with you, and appreciate you jumping in to assist an overly worked RebeccaK. :)
MIKE :D
Rebeccak
11-11-2005, 08:28 PM
Everyone, these instructions for Exercise 3 are also posted at the beginning of this thread, (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=269026) post #2. I will also post them here. Thanks to Margie for her hard work putting these instructions together!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Exercise #3 Instructions: (posted 11-11-05)
NEW INSTRUCTIONS:
So far, the goal of the exercises has been to (re)discover the state of mind (R-mode) that is better at observing/drawing. There is still one to come, and a very important one to prepare for the core of the drawing exercises. After that, the book begins with practising the basic principles of drawing. I'd like to take a big step forward by working up to the point where we can begin on basic drawing principles in the next set of instructions.
It's quite a lot of work, so I'd like to extend the time to finish these exercises to:
3 weeks.
~~~~
Exercise #3:
Chapter 5
1. Please read this chapter as it helps you to understand why you draw the way you do and that it's not a shortcoming or lack of talent, but a stage in the natural development of artists.
2. If you have kept any of your childhood drawings or decide to draw one from memory, please feel free to share them. :). That would be really great!
Chapter 6
3. Read to page 98
4. Exercise page 89: Pure Contour Drawing. Not a "spectacular" exercise, the objective is to experience pure observation, draw exactly what you see. No more, no less. In a very real way, it's a form of zen-meditation. Instread of "just sitting", it's "just drawing". Live in the here and now and that sort of stuff.
5. Reread "drawing materials" (page 13) and make the picture plane and viewfinders if you haven't done so already. This is really crucial to learn to draw realistically quickly, so please take the time to make them. If you want to work digitally, using guidelines on a separate layer works just as well as an alternative for the picture plane in the later
exercises, but you will still benefit from the viewfinders and doing the next exercise with the picture plane..
6. Exercise on pages 96/97/98: Trace your hand in forshortened position through the picture plane.
I'm looking forward to your drawings. Have fun!
NOTE FOR NEWCOMERS:
Please feel free to join in at any time you like. There's no need to wait for the next workshop. Start with exercise #1 above and post your work.
~Margie
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Exercise #3 Instructions: (posted 11-11-05)
NEW INSTRUCTIONS:
So far, the goal of the exercises has been to (re)discover the state of mind (R-mode) that is better at observing/drawing. There is still one to come, and a very important one to prepare for the core of the drawing exercises. After that, the book begins with practising the basic principles of drawing. I'd like to take a big step forward by working up to the point where we can begin on basic drawing principles in the next set of instructions.
It's quite a lot of work, so I'd like to extend the time to finish these exercises to:
3 weeks.
~~~~
Exercise #3:
Chapter 5
1. Please read this chapter as it helps you to understand why you draw the way you do and that it's not a shortcoming or lack of talent, but a stage in the natural development of artists.
2. If you have kept any of your childhood drawings or decide to draw one from memory, please feel free to share them. :). That would be really great!
Chapter 6
3. Read to page 98
4. Exercise page 89: Pure Contour Drawing. Not a "spectacular" exercise, the objective is to experience pure observation, draw exactly what you see. No more, no less. In a very real way, it's a form of zen-meditation. Instread of "just sitting", it's "just drawing". Live in the here and now and that sort of stuff.
5. Reread "drawing materials" (page 13) and make the picture plane and viewfinders if you haven't done so already. This is really crucial to learn to draw realistically quickly, so please take the time to make them. If you want to work digitally, using guidelines on a separate layer works just as well as an alternative for the picture plane in the later
exercises, but you will still benefit from the viewfinders and doing the next exercise with the picture plane..
6. Exercise on pages 96/97/98: Trace your hand in forshortened position through the picture plane.
I'm looking forward to your drawings. Have fun!
NOTE FOR NEWCOMERS:
Please feel free to join in at any time you like. There's no need to wait for the next workshop. Start with exercise #1 above and post your work.
~Margie
lostartist
11-14-2005, 11:36 PM
Maybe I rushed this exercise a little but its defently getting better.
I did this in Painter and before I used this guidelinething :bounce: .
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a164/l0startist/Right%20side%20of%20the%20brain/varfor2web.jpg
And hallo to Margie :thumbsup:.
I did this in Painter and before I used this guidelinething :bounce: .
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a164/l0startist/Right%20side%20of%20the%20brain/varfor2web.jpg
And hallo to Margie :thumbsup:.
Margie
11-15-2005, 09:29 AM
Hi lostartist!
Wow, I just looked again at your earlier drawings and the improvement is SPECTACULAR!
I think you've succesfully switched to R-mode/observing and left the symbolic drawing stage behind you. There's allready depth/sense of form in this drawing. It's great to see your drawing skills unfold. Thanks for posting! :)
Wow, I just looked again at your earlier drawings and the improvement is SPECTACULAR!
I think you've succesfully switched to R-mode/observing and left the symbolic drawing stage behind you. There's allready depth/sense of form in this drawing. It's great to see your drawing skills unfold. Thanks for posting! :)
BernieK
11-15-2005, 09:00 PM
fantastic to see this thread is still alive, though I feel sorry for Shaun, all the best from here!
i can only post the exercise on page 89, the next one will follow soon.
and welcome margie! great to see you here!
cheers!
i can only post the exercise on page 89, the next one will follow soon.
and welcome margie! great to see you here!
cheers!
imax
11-15-2005, 10:07 PM
Hi,
I think I might be bit ahead but I thought that it would be good to not let too much time pass between both hand drawing exercises.
The picture plane exercise wasn't too hard, although keeping one eye closed all the time can get a bit hard. :D
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/hand_picture_plane.jpg
The next one was more tricky I have to say. I found it really much harder to get into the R-mode, or staying there. My left side of the brain always acted like a small child, getting bored, trying to get my attention and keep changing my focus. I wanted somehow to get things "right", kept jumping between edges and shading. It was a lot easier when drawing more abstract things like the lines in the palm in the previous exercise. Still a lot to practise... :wise: when I get some time I will probably redo this. Nevertheless, here is my first attempt.
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/hand_drawn1.jpg
I think I might be bit ahead but I thought that it would be good to not let too much time pass between both hand drawing exercises.
The picture plane exercise wasn't too hard, although keeping one eye closed all the time can get a bit hard. :D
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/hand_picture_plane.jpg
The next one was more tricky I have to say. I found it really much harder to get into the R-mode, or staying there. My left side of the brain always acted like a small child, getting bored, trying to get my attention and keep changing my focus. I wanted somehow to get things "right", kept jumping between edges and shading. It was a lot easier when drawing more abstract things like the lines in the palm in the previous exercise. Still a lot to practise... :wise: when I get some time I will probably redo this. Nevertheless, here is my first attempt.
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/hand_drawn1.jpg
Margie
11-16-2005, 09:55 AM
@ imax
I'm not surprised you found it more difficult to concentrate. This last exercise is real drawing and nobody ever said that was easy to do. I think you did a fanstastic job!
imax, I went back to look at your previous drawings too and noticed the ones from the first exercise are missing. (the selfportrait, hand and person from memory). It's entirely up to you if you want to post them or not, but I thought it would be a cool idea to make a collage of selfportraits * before and after *, showing what progress people made. Let's show off guys!
I'm not surprised you found it more difficult to concentrate. This last exercise is real drawing and nobody ever said that was easy to do. I think you did a fanstastic job!
imax, I went back to look at your previous drawings too and noticed the ones from the first exercise are missing. (the selfportrait, hand and person from memory). It's entirely up to you if you want to post them or not, but I thought it would be a cool idea to make a collage of selfportraits * before and after *, showing what progress people made. Let's show off guys!
Margie
11-16-2005, 10:01 AM
@BernieK. Thanks for the welcome and it's good to see you are still following along. Looking forward to working with you.
Dracofodder
11-16-2005, 03:57 PM
Margie, welcome!! I'm glad this workshop is continuing, as I look forward to working on it as a good break from my day job. (which takes a lot of left brain functioning every day)
Ok, looking at the lesson 3 objectives.
Chapter 5 - LOL I'm so far removed from my childhood drawings, I'm betting the cave paintings are already gobbled up by archeologists. :) But, all joking aside, my recollections of early drawings are about the same as the examples in the book. Exaggerated houses, window placements, trees, cloud patterns, sun in the corner etc.
Chapter 6 - Exercise on Pure Contour Drawing have already done, posted on page 17 already.
- Exercise on tracing your hand through the picture plane - I assumed this was still looking at finding edges, and not in shading, so I did just that. Several times. Trying hard to make single stroke lines, and to NOT think about what I was drawing and just draw the edges that I saw. This is probably the best out of all the ones I did.
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9821/lesson317iv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The whole viewfinder technique is quite interesting, and reminds me of some college matrix theory algebra when we were doing three dimensional transformations onto a two dimensional plane. oops... there goes that left brain again...
Ok, looking at the lesson 3 objectives.
Chapter 5 - LOL I'm so far removed from my childhood drawings, I'm betting the cave paintings are already gobbled up by archeologists. :) But, all joking aside, my recollections of early drawings are about the same as the examples in the book. Exaggerated houses, window placements, trees, cloud patterns, sun in the corner etc.
Chapter 6 - Exercise on Pure Contour Drawing have already done, posted on page 17 already.
- Exercise on tracing your hand through the picture plane - I assumed this was still looking at finding edges, and not in shading, so I did just that. Several times. Trying hard to make single stroke lines, and to NOT think about what I was drawing and just draw the edges that I saw. This is probably the best out of all the ones I did.
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9821/lesson317iv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The whole viewfinder technique is quite interesting, and reminds me of some college matrix theory algebra when we were doing three dimensional transformations onto a two dimensional plane. oops... there goes that left brain again...
Margie
11-16-2005, 07:10 PM
@dracofodder
Hey, you're a Blenderhead too! I found out because I reviewed all of your drawings as well.
And again my jaw drops to the floor when I see the spectacular improvement. I'm not only looking at the better proportions, that is to be expected when using a tracing device. I see a bolder, more confident line and that elusive "personality" emerging that makes us unique as astists.
The whole viewfinder technique is quite interesting, and reminds me of some college matrix theory algebra when we were doing three dimensional transformations onto a two dimensional plane. oops... there goes that left brain again...
AHA, caught ya! Actually, you're not far off with what drawing really is with that. Somehow artists:arteest:have to represent a three dimensional world on a piece of paper or canvas or computerscreen by means of the highly abstract concept of the picture plane. It's not quite the same as the view through a camera lens/photo, because a camera hasn't got binocular vision.
This method of using guidelines - or even a finer grid - was taught to all apprentice painters of the Dutch school (and no doubt other renaissance/baroque painting schools of Europe as well). It makes a lot of sense, especially considering that painters were not regarded as artists but as craftsmen. The elite wanted their portraits painted and the likeness had to be good.
For example: Henry VIII of England commissioned a portrait of his bride-to-be Anne of Cleves. What do you think would have happened to Hans Holbein if Anna of Cleves didn't look the same in reality as she did on this (http://tudorhistory.org/cleves/clevesnew.jpg) painting?
Hey, you're a Blenderhead too! I found out because I reviewed all of your drawings as well.
And again my jaw drops to the floor when I see the spectacular improvement. I'm not only looking at the better proportions, that is to be expected when using a tracing device. I see a bolder, more confident line and that elusive "personality" emerging that makes us unique as astists.
The whole viewfinder technique is quite interesting, and reminds me of some college matrix theory algebra when we were doing three dimensional transformations onto a two dimensional plane. oops... there goes that left brain again...
AHA, caught ya! Actually, you're not far off with what drawing really is with that. Somehow artists:arteest:have to represent a three dimensional world on a piece of paper or canvas or computerscreen by means of the highly abstract concept of the picture plane. It's not quite the same as the view through a camera lens/photo, because a camera hasn't got binocular vision.
This method of using guidelines - or even a finer grid - was taught to all apprentice painters of the Dutch school (and no doubt other renaissance/baroque painting schools of Europe as well). It makes a lot of sense, especially considering that painters were not regarded as artists but as craftsmen. The elite wanted their portraits painted and the likeness had to be good.
For example: Henry VIII of England commissioned a portrait of his bride-to-be Anne of Cleves. What do you think would have happened to Hans Holbein if Anna of Cleves didn't look the same in reality as she did on this (http://tudorhistory.org/cleves/clevesnew.jpg) painting?
imax
11-16-2005, 09:56 PM
Margie,
I did not post them because I joined to workshop a bit late. Well looking at them again, it might be that my perception has changed a little already...
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/selfportrait_start.jpg
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/portrait_memory_start.jpg
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/hand_start.jpg
Looking forward to improving my drawing skills further :)
iMax
I did not post them because I joined to workshop a bit late. Well looking at them again, it might be that my perception has changed a little already...
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/selfportrait_start.jpg
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/portrait_memory_start.jpg
http://members.chello.at/imaxweb/hand_start.jpg
Looking forward to improving my drawing skills further :)
iMax
Margie
11-17-2005, 06:36 PM
Well looking at them again, it might be that my perception has changed a little already...
iMax
Thanks for posting these! And yes, the progress is very noticable. Did you expect this kind of change or did it come as a surprise?
iMax
Thanks for posting these! And yes, the progress is very noticable. Did you expect this kind of change or did it come as a surprise?
imax
11-17-2005, 09:57 PM
Well, while reading the book and doing the exercises, all makes sense and seems quite natural. After finishing the exercises I am quite happy with the results, which, thinking of it now, should be surprising, because I am usually quite critical and demanding on the things I do. :)
So the lack of disappointment so far is quite surprising, actually. :D
But I really have to admit that my initial hand drawing (I mean the drawing of my hand) looks a bit worse than expected. This is more a shock than a surprise. :scream:
What I really learned so far, is noticing the difference between the L- and R-mode. Which is very important in my opinion, because I know now that I can improve my drawing skills with the right practices. And this is only the start... :)
So the lack of disappointment so far is quite surprising, actually. :D
But I really have to admit that my initial hand drawing (I mean the drawing of my hand) looks a bit worse than expected. This is more a shock than a surprise. :scream:
What I really learned so far, is noticing the difference between the L- and R-mode. Which is very important in my opinion, because I know now that I can improve my drawing skills with the right practices. And this is only the start... :)
my tom
11-23-2005, 02:22 AM
Well i just wanted to come back and testify that the method in the book works! Initially I wanted to follow the exrcises with everybody else..but I had last week off..and I got projects all next week plus Thanksgiving's coming up so I wanted to finish up the book today.
Here's my Self-portrait, lady's don't hate, I look nothing like it. It was drawn on 11-06-05. 30 minutes. Then today (11-22-05) I drew this guy, Andy, from Kato's great dvd in 30 minutes with the DVD off. By no means it's as tight as i wanted to get it but i had a 30 minute limit. The important thing I learned from this book is I'm seeing shadows and highlights everywhere now ... faces, jackets laying around my room, towels in the bathroom. By no means this is boasting of any sort, but i just simply wanted to come back and encourage everybody in here to keep going!!! Looking forward to seeing even greater improvements from you guys.
http://www.notsosimplestudio.com/right/SelfPortrait.jpg
http://www.notsosimplestudio.com/right/SelfPortrait1.jpg
Here's my Self-portrait, lady's don't hate, I look nothing like it. It was drawn on 11-06-05. 30 minutes. Then today (11-22-05) I drew this guy, Andy, from Kato's great dvd in 30 minutes with the DVD off. By no means it's as tight as i wanted to get it but i had a 30 minute limit. The important thing I learned from this book is I'm seeing shadows and highlights everywhere now ... faces, jackets laying around my room, towels in the bathroom. By no means this is boasting of any sort, but i just simply wanted to come back and encourage everybody in here to keep going!!! Looking forward to seeing even greater improvements from you guys.
http://www.notsosimplestudio.com/right/SelfPortrait.jpg
http://www.notsosimplestudio.com/right/SelfPortrait1.jpg
Rebeccak
11-23-2005, 03:41 AM
originally posted by my tom:Here's my Self-portrait, lady's don't hate, I look nothing like it.
ROFL...this cracked me up! :)
Great progress from the first to the second drawing! I had Kato as a teacher, he's incredible. Haven't seen the DVD though, I guess it's a good one! Not surprising. :)
Great to see your work!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
ROFL...this cracked me up! :)
Great progress from the first to the second drawing! I had Kato as a teacher, he's incredible. Haven't seen the DVD though, I guess it's a good one! Not surprising. :)
Great to see your work!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
lostartist
11-24-2005, 03:04 PM
Excelent painting Tom :applause: and the ladies don't hate cracked me up to :) .
Dreamy Kid
11-25-2005, 01:41 PM
first of all i just want to say hi :love:, i've been in cg talk for a long time i mostly spend my time in the 3d section. been getting a lot of help from great ppl like stahlberg and lunatique i really am grateful for cgtalk. I've been learning about figure drawing and anatomy seriously in the past 1-2 year or so, i've always been drawing for all my life but never really learn anatomy or figure drawing correctly.
i've been watching this anatomy and figurative art forum for quite a while and glad that i found this place, been quietly learning from rebecca and alot of people here ^__^;;
well thats my intro >__>. I've been having darwing from the right side of the brain but havent got a time to work on it, I saw this thread about last week and just wondering if it's possible to post drawing from the previous excercise and get comments on it, i know it's kind of late - sorry :sad:
other thing i want to ask while i'm here, as i said before i've been only learning anatomy and figure drawing for only 1-2 year, it's nothing compared to you guys hehe. I've ben tempted to post my own sketches and get comments on it to improve my work, but being a newbie my self i dont have a confidence to make my own thread ( i notice ppl make their own thred to post their work ). (this one is for rebecca --> i was just wondering if I'm allowed to make a thread called beginner lounge probably :scream:, so newbie like me can post their work there without making seperate threads and gain knowledge and constructive comments from the master :). i've been learning a lot from this place and i do hope beginners out there find it the same way and do not hesitate to post their own work ^__^/ cheers
i've been watching this anatomy and figurative art forum for quite a while and glad that i found this place, been quietly learning from rebecca and alot of people here ^__^;;
well thats my intro >__>. I've been having darwing from the right side of the brain but havent got a time to work on it, I saw this thread about last week and just wondering if it's possible to post drawing from the previous excercise and get comments on it, i know it's kind of late - sorry :sad:
other thing i want to ask while i'm here, as i said before i've been only learning anatomy and figure drawing for only 1-2 year, it's nothing compared to you guys hehe. I've ben tempted to post my own sketches and get comments on it to improve my work, but being a newbie my self i dont have a confidence to make my own thread ( i notice ppl make their own thred to post their work ). (this one is for rebecca --> i was just wondering if I'm allowed to make a thread called beginner lounge probably :scream:, so newbie like me can post their work there without making seperate threads and gain knowledge and constructive comments from the master :). i've been learning a lot from this place and i do hope beginners out there find it the same way and do not hesitate to post their own work ^__^/ cheers
Rebeccak
11-25-2005, 01:55 PM
Dreamy Kid,
Hey, welcome to the Anatomy Forum! :) With respect to your first question about posting work that relates to early exercises, feel free! And re: posting a new thread, "Beginners' Lounge", I have no problem with that! In fact, I think it's a good idea. :)
So ~ if you'd like to ~ go ahead and post a new thread titled Beginners' Lounge and write a brief intro to the thread describing its purpose. :) I think a lot of people might be interested in this. :)
Don't be afraid to post your work ~ the purpose here is not to show off, it's to improve.
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Hey, welcome to the Anatomy Forum! :) With respect to your first question about posting work that relates to early exercises, feel free! And re: posting a new thread, "Beginners' Lounge", I have no problem with that! In fact, I think it's a good idea. :)
So ~ if you'd like to ~ go ahead and post a new thread titled Beginners' Lounge and write a brief intro to the thread describing its purpose. :) I think a lot of people might be interested in this. :)
Don't be afraid to post your work ~ the purpose here is not to show off, it's to improve.
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Margie
11-25-2005, 06:24 PM
Hi Dreamy Kid and welcome!
Regarding your question about the beginners'drawing workshop, I can only repeat what Rebecca has said already. Feel free to post work from previous exercises any time you are ready.
The first exercise is intended to serve as a record of how you draw at this moment in time. There is no right or wrong way of doing them, just something to look back on later to see in what way the book has helped you improve your skills. :)
Regarding your question about the beginners'drawing workshop, I can only repeat what Rebecca has said already. Feel free to post work from previous exercises any time you are ready.
The first exercise is intended to serve as a record of how you draw at this moment in time. There is no right or wrong way of doing them, just something to look back on later to see in what way the book has helped you improve your skills. :)
Arlekin
11-28-2005, 03:16 AM
hi you all i just orderedthe book from amazon ill join the party (its mysecond year in artschool andi need some practise) so ill post something in two weeks i think
happy to see so many kewl guys all getting along.... :beer:
happy to see so many kewl guys all getting along.... :beer:
Dracofodder
12-02-2005, 04:28 AM
Hey, you're a Blenderhead too! I found out because I reviewed all of your drawings as well.
Margie, yup, I'm a fledgling blenderhead. I still have a lot to learn there as well, but I think 2d and 3d drawing will complement each other. Just to show I havn't been totally idle these last two weeks, I re-did our last 2d drawing exercise in blender.
I still have problems with proportions, the mesh isn't quite right, there's absolutely no texturing yet, but I wanted to see if I could take my perspective drawing of my hand and turn it into a 3d object.
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/120/handcomposite0yc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://www.archive.org/download/Hand_Drawing_to_Mesh_First_Attempt/handcmpr3.avi
Margie, yup, I'm a fledgling blenderhead. I still have a lot to learn there as well, but I think 2d and 3d drawing will complement each other. Just to show I havn't been totally idle these last two weeks, I re-did our last 2d drawing exercise in blender.
I still have problems with proportions, the mesh isn't quite right, there's absolutely no texturing yet, but I wanted to see if I could take my perspective drawing of my hand and turn it into a 3d object.
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/120/handcomposite0yc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://www.archive.org/download/Hand_Drawing_to_Mesh_First_Attempt/handcmpr3.avi
Rebeccak
12-02-2005, 04:46 AM
Dracofodder,
Just thought I'd jump in here :) ~ very cool! It's great to see this 2D / 3D correlated project ~ hopefully your work in each medium is bolstering the other. :)
Thanks for posting. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Just thought I'd jump in here :) ~ very cool! It's great to see this 2D / 3D correlated project ~ hopefully your work in each medium is bolstering the other. :)
Thanks for posting. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Margie
12-02-2005, 11:46 AM
Margie, yup, I'm a fledgling blenderhead. I still have a lot to learn there as well, but I think 2d and 3d drawing will complement each other. Just to show I havn't been totally idle these last two weeks, I re-did our last 2d drawing exercise in blender.
I still have problems with proportions, the mesh isn't quite right, there's absolutely no texturing yet, but I wanted to see if I could take my perspective drawing of my hand and turn it into a 3d object.
http://www.archive.org/download/Hand_Drawing_to_Mesh_First_Attempt/handcmpr3.avi
Great! Yes, I think 2d/traditional drawing skills will pay off in 3d work. It's one of the reasons why I'm concentrating on drawing/anatomy atm.
Realistic organic modelling is very new for me too and even though I've been using Blender since 2000, I feel a perpetual fledgling. I can't keep up with the tremendous fast pace the coders are developing new features.
Thanks for sharing this!
I still have problems with proportions, the mesh isn't quite right, there's absolutely no texturing yet, but I wanted to see if I could take my perspective drawing of my hand and turn it into a 3d object.
http://www.archive.org/download/Hand_Drawing_to_Mesh_First_Attempt/handcmpr3.avi
Great! Yes, I think 2d/traditional drawing skills will pay off in 3d work. It's one of the reasons why I'm concentrating on drawing/anatomy atm.
Realistic organic modelling is very new for me too and even though I've been using Blender since 2000, I feel a perpetual fledgling. I can't keep up with the tremendous fast pace the coders are developing new features.
Thanks for sharing this!
Rebeccak
12-02-2005, 12:20 PM
Everyone,
Please note that EXERCISE #4 Instructions have been posted at the beginning of this thread, Post #1:
EXERCISE #4:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=269026&page=1&pp=15
Good luck! Thanks to Margie for writing these up! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Please note that EXERCISE #4 Instructions have been posted at the beginning of this thread, Post #1:
EXERCISE #4:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=269026&page=1&pp=15
Good luck! Thanks to Margie for writing these up! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Margie
12-02-2005, 06:47 PM
Some additional information to regarding the new exercise I'd like to share.
Before I started studying this book, I always used a grid when I had to draw accurately. Then I began using the guidelines instead of the much finer grid. It often turned out better than I expected, there seemed to be more movement and flow in the drawing. A week of 2-4 15 minute sketches per day and I felt I didn't need the guidelines anymore.
But then I started to second guess myself and decided to redo a sketch with guidelines. To my surprise, I wasn't far off at all without the guidelines!
I've added a grid on all three pictures to show that there isn't much difference.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/MdeBrie/bdw004.jpg
Before I started studying this book, I always used a grid when I had to draw accurately. Then I began using the guidelines instead of the much finer grid. It often turned out better than I expected, there seemed to be more movement and flow in the drawing. A week of 2-4 15 minute sketches per day and I felt I didn't need the guidelines anymore.
But then I started to second guess myself and decided to redo a sketch with guidelines. To my surprise, I wasn't far off at all without the guidelines!
I've added a grid on all three pictures to show that there isn't much difference.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/MdeBrie/bdw004.jpg
jokko
12-03-2005, 03:11 AM
Hey,
this is a fantastic thread and I only found about it recently. I have the book and have even done the first exercises :D Is it too late to get in? I would really love to join you guys, I love drawing and I want to learn!
Have a great day
Jerome.
this is a fantastic thread and I only found about it recently. I have the book and have even done the first exercises :D Is it too late to get in? I would really love to join you guys, I love drawing and I want to learn!
Have a great day
Jerome.
Rebeccak
12-03-2005, 04:18 AM
Jerome,
Never too late to join in! :)
Also, I saw your post in the Art Theories Forum re: practice exercises. Besides the ones here in this thread, you might also want to check out the 15 Minute Sketchathon Thread, which exists as 2 Sticky Threads at the top of this forum. Thread 1 contains Reference images, while Thread 2 is for the Sketches people do from the Reference images in Thread 1. You're more than welcome to join in! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Never too late to join in! :)
Also, I saw your post in the Art Theories Forum re: practice exercises. Besides the ones here in this thread, you might also want to check out the 15 Minute Sketchathon Thread, which exists as 2 Sticky Threads at the top of this forum. Thread 1 contains Reference images, while Thread 2 is for the Sketches people do from the Reference images in Thread 1. You're more than welcome to join in! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
jokko
12-03-2005, 05:52 AM
Alright I guess it's time to jump into the water :D
So here are my pre-instruction drawings 1, 2, and 3. I have actually drawn my hand three times in different positions, and trying to focus on different aspects of the technique: form, shading, proportions...
Thank you in advance for the time spent observing them :)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6130/myhandfirsttry07bg.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myhandfirsttry07bg.jpg)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/myhandsecondtry02oq.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myhandsecondtry02oq.jpg)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1390/myhandthirdtry5ib.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myhandthirdtry5ib.jpg)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6162/portraitbymemoryfirsttr01tr.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=portraitbymemoryfirsttr01tr.jpg)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9589/veryfirstautoportrait7tz.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=veryfirstautoportrait7tz.jpg)
So here are my pre-instruction drawings 1, 2, and 3. I have actually drawn my hand three times in different positions, and trying to focus on different aspects of the technique: form, shading, proportions...
Thank you in advance for the time spent observing them :)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6130/myhandfirsttry07bg.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myhandfirsttry07bg.jpg)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/myhandsecondtry02oq.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myhandsecondtry02oq.jpg)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1390/myhandthirdtry5ib.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myhandthirdtry5ib.jpg)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6162/portraitbymemoryfirsttr01tr.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=portraitbymemoryfirsttr01tr.jpg)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9589/veryfirstautoportrait7tz.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=veryfirstautoportrait7tz.jpg)
jokko
12-03-2005, 06:04 AM
Ho Rebecca,
I just forgot to mention THANK YOU for all your help, and all the time you're giving us. Also your tutorials are amazing! Thanks for everything~~
Jerome.
I just forgot to mention THANK YOU for all your help, and all the time you're giving us. Also your tutorials are amazing! Thanks for everything~~
Jerome.
Rebeccak
12-03-2005, 06:24 PM
@Jerome,
Great to see you here! :) I'm going to let Margie comment on your pieces since this is officially her Workshop. :) But I am happy to see your posts, and trust me, it gets easier as you practice more. ;)
Thank you for your kind words, I greatly enjoy the Forum! :)
@Everyone,
Hopefully by now, you all have seen the new:
(http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229) Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229
Where anyone is welcome to hang out / post work / make comments / follow the Assignments. It's a perfect companion thread, I think to this thread. Thanks to Dreamy Kid for the idea to create a Beginner's Lounge! :)
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Great to see you here! :) I'm going to let Margie comment on your pieces since this is officially her Workshop. :) But I am happy to see your posts, and trust me, it gets easier as you practice more. ;)
Thank you for your kind words, I greatly enjoy the Forum! :)
@Everyone,
Hopefully by now, you all have seen the new:
(http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229) Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229
Where anyone is welcome to hang out / post work / make comments / follow the Assignments. It's a perfect companion thread, I think to this thread. Thanks to Dreamy Kid for the idea to create a Beginner's Lounge! :)
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Margie
12-03-2005, 08:22 PM
Hi Jerome, thanks for posting your work!
I'll keep the format of the book for these first drawings and that is to offer no comments. Their purpose is to make a record of how you draw at this moment in time. It's something to look back on later. :) .
Feel free to work through the exercises at whatever pace you feel comfortable with.
The text in the next exercise offers insight into why you draw the way you do now and that it's not a lack of talent, but simply a stage in your development as an artist.
I second Rebecca's suggestion to participate in the beginners lounge thread. The most important thing is to start drawing, that's the only way to learn. The book will teach you the basic skills of drawing and how to "see" with the eye of an artist.
Welcome aboard! I hope you will enjoy the book and join us in the next exercise.
I'll keep the format of the book for these first drawings and that is to offer no comments. Their purpose is to make a record of how you draw at this moment in time. It's something to look back on later. :) .
Feel free to work through the exercises at whatever pace you feel comfortable with.
The text in the next exercise offers insight into why you draw the way you do now and that it's not a lack of talent, but simply a stage in your development as an artist.
I second Rebecca's suggestion to participate in the beginners lounge thread. The most important thing is to start drawing, that's the only way to learn. The book will teach you the basic skills of drawing and how to "see" with the eye of an artist.
Welcome aboard! I hope you will enjoy the book and join us in the next exercise.
jokko
12-04-2005, 02:47 AM
Thanks a lot for your nice and encouraging words. I am going to try drawing as much as possible. As I realized with my first drawings, I feel quite unconfortable with rendering light and shadows. I have quickly read Rebecca's amazing tutorial (thanks Reb. !), and I am going to try the skull drawing (possibly tonight wowo), but I was wondering if it was still too earl to try copying master's works? Like rubens, durer studies of anatomy? I am fascinated by these guy's work, but it is very... daunting!
Thank you very much once again.
Jerome.
Thank you very much once again.
Jerome.
Margie
12-04-2005, 10:58 AM
Jerome,
The second set of exercises will teach you a little trick to help you get over the feeling "oh no! I'm supposed to copy a Rubens ? I can't do that!". Most artists feel daunted when asked to copy a master's drawing or other things perceived as "difficult" such as faces, hands, something from memory and forshortened limbs.
Betty Edwards calls this inner voice and critic the left side of the brain. It's not entirely wrong, medical research has shown the verbal centers of the brain (Broca's region) are located in the left hemisphere for most people. The same part of the brain also deals with naming, categorizing and organizing things. But it's not very good at simply perceiving the world without making judgements and that's what artists must do. Just watch, observe and draw what you see without making judgements.
Exercise #2 says to read to page 50 and do the vase/face exercise. This exercise is meant to let you experience the conflict between these left and right hemispheres while drawing. After you've done that exercise, I suggest reading a little more and do the upside down drawing on page 57. You'll do a mastercopy of a Picasso. Maybe after that, the idea of copying a master drawing is a little less daunting.
The book teaches a few ways to shut up this inner critic, mainly by presenting a task that the left brain thinks is impossible to do. Another good way of letting the right brain take over is to do a sketch in very little time - say - 2, 5 or 15 minutes. Seems impossible doesn't it?
It's never too early to do mastercopies, as long as you keep in mind that the goal is not to make an exact, perfect copy, but to learn from these masters. The beauty of doing master copies is that there's always something to learn from them, no matter what level of skill you have. I've copied some Dürer drawings several times and each time I've discovered something I didn't know before. :)
Earlier in this thread, Igor coined the phrase "Right Hemisphere Liberation Front". I hope you take the plunge and become part of the RHLF. It's fun! :)
The second set of exercises will teach you a little trick to help you get over the feeling "oh no! I'm supposed to copy a Rubens ? I can't do that!". Most artists feel daunted when asked to copy a master's drawing or other things perceived as "difficult" such as faces, hands, something from memory and forshortened limbs.
Betty Edwards calls this inner voice and critic the left side of the brain. It's not entirely wrong, medical research has shown the verbal centers of the brain (Broca's region) are located in the left hemisphere for most people. The same part of the brain also deals with naming, categorizing and organizing things. But it's not very good at simply perceiving the world without making judgements and that's what artists must do. Just watch, observe and draw what you see without making judgements.
Exercise #2 says to read to page 50 and do the vase/face exercise. This exercise is meant to let you experience the conflict between these left and right hemispheres while drawing. After you've done that exercise, I suggest reading a little more and do the upside down drawing on page 57. You'll do a mastercopy of a Picasso. Maybe after that, the idea of copying a master drawing is a little less daunting.
The book teaches a few ways to shut up this inner critic, mainly by presenting a task that the left brain thinks is impossible to do. Another good way of letting the right brain take over is to do a sketch in very little time - say - 2, 5 or 15 minutes. Seems impossible doesn't it?
It's never too early to do mastercopies, as long as you keep in mind that the goal is not to make an exact, perfect copy, but to learn from these masters. The beauty of doing master copies is that there's always something to learn from them, no matter what level of skill you have. I've copied some Dürer drawings several times and each time I've discovered something I didn't know before. :)
Earlier in this thread, Igor coined the phrase "Right Hemisphere Liberation Front". I hope you take the plunge and become part of the RHLF. It's fun! :)
jokko
12-04-2005, 04:12 PM
Thank you!
It's time to draw :D. And I am proud of being a member of the RHLF! Once again thank you so much for all your advices!
Jerome.
It's time to draw :D. And I am proud of being a member of the RHLF! Once again thank you so much for all your advices!
Jerome.
BernieK
12-07-2005, 07:38 AM
hi all!
here is my drawing of the hand from exercise#3. i didn't really have the right tools for it, but i think i got the point of the exercise. quite hard to not move at all for a few minutes (and a pain in the neck to keep one eye closed for so long :scream: ).
cheers!
http://www.pixelzone.org/gallery/albums/album26/exercise4.jpg
here is my drawing of the hand from exercise#3. i didn't really have the right tools for it, but i think i got the point of the exercise. quite hard to not move at all for a few minutes (and a pain in the neck to keep one eye closed for so long :scream: ).
cheers!
http://www.pixelzone.org/gallery/albums/album26/exercise4.jpg
Margie
12-07-2005, 08:04 AM
Hi BernieK!
Yes! It's doesn't really matter if the viewfinders are exactly like described in the book, as long as it's something transparant with the horizontal and vertical lines. You've done this very well.
What is so cool is that this method conveys depth. It really looks like your hand is "coming out of the picture", if you know what I mean. Getting a sense of movement in a drawing is one of the most difficult things to do. And here you've done it!
One thing that will make it a little easier to work the exercises with this guideline method. Try to place the subject you are drawing a little more in the middle in such a way that the empty space is evenly distributed in all four rectangles. This empty space, also called negative space, is an important part of learning to see with the "artist eye". I'll post an example of what I mean later in the morning.
Yes! It's doesn't really matter if the viewfinders are exactly like described in the book, as long as it's something transparant with the horizontal and vertical lines. You've done this very well.
What is so cool is that this method conveys depth. It really looks like your hand is "coming out of the picture", if you know what I mean. Getting a sense of movement in a drawing is one of the most difficult things to do. And here you've done it!
One thing that will make it a little easier to work the exercises with this guideline method. Try to place the subject you are drawing a little more in the middle in such a way that the empty space is evenly distributed in all four rectangles. This empty space, also called negative space, is an important part of learning to see with the "artist eye". I'll post an example of what I mean later in the morning.
Margie
12-07-2005, 02:01 PM
About using guidelines and viewfinders.
The hardest part of learning to draw is estimating the length and angle of lines by eyesight. The guidelines are a trick to help measuring these lines. It's easier to estimate an angle when you compare it with a straight line. It's also easier to estimate the length of a line by comparing it with a section of the guidelines.
For that reason (and none other), it's easier to place the subject you are drawing in such a way that it is evenly distrubuted in all four sections. WHen there's only a little bit of the subject in one section, it's a little harder to estimate the length and angle of the lines.
In the first drawing there is a lot of space on the left side.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/MdeBrie/toomuchnegspace.jpg
In the second I've cropped the picture and moved the vertical guideline. Now there's more of the subject in each section. Try placing the guidelines in such a way that it makes the drawing easier.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/MdeBrie/lessnegspace.jpg
The hardest part of learning to draw is estimating the length and angle of lines by eyesight. The guidelines are a trick to help measuring these lines. It's easier to estimate an angle when you compare it with a straight line. It's also easier to estimate the length of a line by comparing it with a section of the guidelines.
For that reason (and none other), it's easier to place the subject you are drawing in such a way that it is evenly distrubuted in all four sections. WHen there's only a little bit of the subject in one section, it's a little harder to estimate the length and angle of the lines.
In the first drawing there is a lot of space on the left side.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/MdeBrie/toomuchnegspace.jpg
In the second I've cropped the picture and moved the vertical guideline. Now there's more of the subject in each section. Try placing the guidelines in such a way that it makes the drawing easier.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/MdeBrie/lessnegspace.jpg
Rebeccak
12-07-2005, 02:03 PM
Great thoughts here, Margie!! Thanks a lot for all your hard work! :thumbsup:
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Hioxz
12-11-2005, 03:05 PM
Hello all!
I've been lurking around on these forums for quite a long time, and then found out about the "new drawing on the right side of the brain" book. So i bought it, and started to do the exersizes.
Anyway, i just did the negative spaces chair drawing exercize. I found it a bit hard. But this was mainly caused by an uncomfortable drawing position, (ie. Couldn't keep my picture plane at the same position when it was in my hand + i didn't have something steady like an easel to draw on) I might try something smaller, like an eggbeater or so.
Here are some drawings i made:
http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/hand_01_tmb.jpg (http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/hand_01.jpg) http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/hand_02_tmb.jpg (http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/hand_02.jpg) http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/negative_01_tmb.jpg (http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/negative_01.jpg)
The first is the contour drawing exercise. (with help of the picture plane etc.)
The second is my hand directly drawn without help of the picture plane
The third is the negative spaces chair exercise.
(the colors are a bit Jpg-erized.. (i just got my new scanner, and i still need to figure out to scan pencil sketches in the right colors. .(they get kinda blue-ish))
I've been lurking around on these forums for quite a long time, and then found out about the "new drawing on the right side of the brain" book. So i bought it, and started to do the exersizes.
Anyway, i just did the negative spaces chair drawing exercize. I found it a bit hard. But this was mainly caused by an uncomfortable drawing position, (ie. Couldn't keep my picture plane at the same position when it was in my hand + i didn't have something steady like an easel to draw on) I might try something smaller, like an eggbeater or so.
Here are some drawings i made:
http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/hand_01_tmb.jpg (http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/hand_01.jpg) http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/hand_02_tmb.jpg (http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/hand_02.jpg) http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/negative_01_tmb.jpg (http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/negative_01.jpg)
The first is the contour drawing exercise. (with help of the picture plane etc.)
The second is my hand directly drawn without help of the picture plane
The third is the negative spaces chair exercise.
(the colors are a bit Jpg-erized.. (i just got my new scanner, and i still need to figure out to scan pencil sketches in the right colors. .(they get kinda blue-ish))
Rebeccak
12-12-2005, 08:16 AM
Hioxz,
Welcome aboard! I'm going to leave the critiquing to Margie, since she is far better at it than I, but I'd just like to say congrats on your first post! :)
Hope that you will enjoy participating in the forum! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Welcome aboard! I'm going to leave the critiquing to Margie, since she is far better at it than I, but I'd just like to say congrats on your first post! :)
Hope that you will enjoy participating in the forum! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Margie
12-12-2005, 11:18 AM
Hello Hioxz!
Good to hear you were inspired by these forums and this thread. :)
Thanks for posting you work. I especially like the second one. It's my personal opinion of course, but I think the blueish tint is rather nice.
I understand the difficulty you had with the negative space exercise, it's almost impossible to hold the viewfinder up in the same position for longer than a minute.
Traditional painters usually stick it to the top of an easel, but anything at eye height will do. Maybe a tip: you can get a little table easel really cheap (5.95 euro) at Blokker household stores.
Cropping the view a little closer around the object also helps, it's not only easier to draw, it also makes for a better, more coherent composition. The object stands out more and does not get "lost in space" and the shape of the negative space around the chair becomes part of the picture.
I hope you don't mind I've taken the liberty to take your negative space drawing of the chair and cropped it in this way to show what I mean.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/MdeBrie/bdw006.jpg
Good to hear you were inspired by these forums and this thread. :)
Thanks for posting you work. I especially like the second one. It's my personal opinion of course, but I think the blueish tint is rather nice.
I understand the difficulty you had with the negative space exercise, it's almost impossible to hold the viewfinder up in the same position for longer than a minute.
Traditional painters usually stick it to the top of an easel, but anything at eye height will do. Maybe a tip: you can get a little table easel really cheap (5.95 euro) at Blokker household stores.
Cropping the view a little closer around the object also helps, it's not only easier to draw, it also makes for a better, more coherent composition. The object stands out more and does not get "lost in space" and the shape of the negative space around the chair becomes part of the picture.
I hope you don't mind I've taken the liberty to take your negative space drawing of the chair and cropped it in this way to show what I mean.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/MdeBrie/bdw006.jpg
Hioxz
12-12-2005, 09:03 PM
Hello Rebecca and Margie,
Thank you for your kind replies,
I will look at the "blokker" or some other shop soon for an easel. It might indeed solve my problems with holding my "stuff".
About the cropping of the images; i still have some problems getting my basic unit right. (with the chair this was mainly caused by the shaking of my hand) But in general i tend to choose my basic unit too large (ie. i copy it too large from the picture plane) or i copy it way too small. (like with the chair... wich i originaly saw pretty big on the picture plane
I guess i will look at this more at the next chapter(8) since it it about sighting and perspective, and about basic units, But i might have to practise some more to "get it right"
I will try some more, do some more exercises and try to post here when i got some new drawings (btw. i am currently working on the "child seated in a wicker chair" drawing on page 135... I look forward to try the Rubens after that)
Thank you for your kind replies,
I will look at the "blokker" or some other shop soon for an easel. It might indeed solve my problems with holding my "stuff".
About the cropping of the images; i still have some problems getting my basic unit right. (with the chair this was mainly caused by the shaking of my hand) But in general i tend to choose my basic unit too large (ie. i copy it too large from the picture plane) or i copy it way too small. (like with the chair... wich i originaly saw pretty big on the picture plane
I guess i will look at this more at the next chapter(8) since it it about sighting and perspective, and about basic units, But i might have to practise some more to "get it right"
I will try some more, do some more exercises and try to post here when i got some new drawings (btw. i am currently working on the "child seated in a wicker chair" drawing on page 135... I look forward to try the Rubens after that)
Margie
12-13-2005, 07:55 PM
About the cropping of the images; i still have some problems getting my basic unit right. (with the chair this was mainly caused by the shaking of my hand) But in general i tend to choose my basic unit too large (ie. i copy it too large from the picture plane) or i copy it way too small. (like with the chair... wich i originaly saw pretty big on the picture plane
I guess i will look at this more at the next chapter(8) since it it about sighting and perspective, and about basic units, But i might have to practise some more to "get it right"
Don't feel bad about that! It takes a great deal of practise to get the basic unit right. Chapter 7 is not an easy one, it introduces two concepts that are difficult to grasp. The first - negative space - requires a mindset a bit like the vase/face exercise. When viewed as an object, it's a vase. That's how we normally perceive the world. But if you look at it another way, there are two faces looking at each other. What you're seeing at that moment is the shape of negative space.
By learning to look at negative space as a shape, it becomes easier to estimate the length of an edge. It's a diffrent way of looking at something you draw from life of from a reference photo.
It takes a LOT of practise to become aware of negative space. I still have to remind myself to look at/for it and I learned about negative space a long time ago.
Apart from drawing, it's also a good practise just to look at an object/photo and then try to see the negative space. The reason why it's easier not to have too much negative space around the object you are drawing, is that an interesting negatibve space that is fairly small and in balance with the positive space, is easier to draw. It's like putting pieces of a puzzle together.
Hope this made sense. It's not easy to explain negative space in words.
The other concept chapter 7 goes into is composition. That's a whole field of study! There's a lot to be said about composition, which I won't do now. For the moment the most important part is that if negative and positive space are in balance (about just as much negative space as positive space), the composition is almost always good.
I will try some more, do some more exercises and try to post here when i got some new drawings (btw. i am currently working on the "child seated in a wicker chair" drawing on page 135... I look forward to try the Rubens after that)
I'm looking forward to see your work. :)
I guess i will look at this more at the next chapter(8) since it it about sighting and perspective, and about basic units, But i might have to practise some more to "get it right"
Don't feel bad about that! It takes a great deal of practise to get the basic unit right. Chapter 7 is not an easy one, it introduces two concepts that are difficult to grasp. The first - negative space - requires a mindset a bit like the vase/face exercise. When viewed as an object, it's a vase. That's how we normally perceive the world. But if you look at it another way, there are two faces looking at each other. What you're seeing at that moment is the shape of negative space.
By learning to look at negative space as a shape, it becomes easier to estimate the length of an edge. It's a diffrent way of looking at something you draw from life of from a reference photo.
It takes a LOT of practise to become aware of negative space. I still have to remind myself to look at/for it and I learned about negative space a long time ago.
Apart from drawing, it's also a good practise just to look at an object/photo and then try to see the negative space. The reason why it's easier not to have too much negative space around the object you are drawing, is that an interesting negatibve space that is fairly small and in balance with the positive space, is easier to draw. It's like putting pieces of a puzzle together.
Hope this made sense. It's not easy to explain negative space in words.
The other concept chapter 7 goes into is composition. That's a whole field of study! There's a lot to be said about composition, which I won't do now. For the moment the most important part is that if negative and positive space are in balance (about just as much negative space as positive space), the composition is almost always good.
I will try some more, do some more exercises and try to post here when i got some new drawings (btw. i am currently working on the "child seated in a wicker chair" drawing on page 135... I look forward to try the Rubens after that)
I'm looking forward to see your work. :)
DanielNasc
12-14-2005, 06:46 PM
Hi, everyone!
I'm new to the forums but I've been visiting the galleries for a couples of months, and I think this workshop is fantastic! (Beginner's Lounge is a great idea too!) My girlfriend gave me Betty Edwards's "Drawing on the Right of the Brain" about a year ago, and it made me see drawing from a totally new point of view.
Anyway, I did some of the exercises contained in the book about six months ago and I was considering posting them here. Do you think it would be better if I posted new ones (starting from scratch) instead of the ones I've already got?
This is what I have:
Self-portrait / Portrait of someone from memory / My hand
Vase/Faces
Picasso's Stravinsky Upside-down
Pure Contours Drawing
Sorry for the long post, and thanks for giving so much attention to begginers!!
I'm new to the forums but I've been visiting the galleries for a couples of months, and I think this workshop is fantastic! (Beginner's Lounge is a great idea too!) My girlfriend gave me Betty Edwards's "Drawing on the Right of the Brain" about a year ago, and it made me see drawing from a totally new point of view.
Anyway, I did some of the exercises contained in the book about six months ago and I was considering posting them here. Do you think it would be better if I posted new ones (starting from scratch) instead of the ones I've already got?
This is what I have:
Self-portrait / Portrait of someone from memory / My hand
Vase/Faces
Picasso's Stravinsky Upside-down
Pure Contours Drawing
Sorry for the long post, and thanks for giving so much attention to begginers!!
Hioxz
12-14-2005, 08:32 PM
First of all, Margie thanks for your patience and help
I "finished" the copies on page 135 of Winslow Homer and Rubens.
It was quite hard to copy these, and did take me a while. The results are.. well, not my best results... :) but it will do, and i guess i learned something of drawing these. (it where actually my first copies of a real master's drawing)
When drawing the "child in the wicker chair " i didn't pay attention to negative spaces, (i also forgot to tone the background and just started to try to copy) (ow i should mention i copied it upside down) The image isn't really cropped, but i hope this is ok since i tried to copy the original) I might have discarded this drawing a bit too fast. ( i didn't like the way the face of the girl looked, and i couldn't get it right somehow)
The second copy, the rubens copy was also a kinda hard, but it was a more pleasant experience to copy this drawing than the previous. I tried to pay attention to the negative spaces. I feel like i had some moments of "understanding" these negative spaces, resulting in actually drawing the negative spaces, and paying attention to these, rather than the normal shapes and tones.
I had some problems with positioning or copying the small drawings ie. legs, arms+head and arm at the right location. I feel that the negative-spaces-way-of-seeing helped me with this positioning.
http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/copy_01_tmb.jpg (http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/copy_01.jpg) http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/copy_02_tmb.jpg (http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/copy_02.jpg)
Well i might copy some more masterpieces and get to chapter 8. (or i might look for some more information on composition first?)
Again, thanks for your help.
(Btw. I just got a new appartment, and i have to paint the house and move in the next couple of days/week(s) so i might not be able to post or draw much until i am settled.
But i will be back soon! :scream:
I "finished" the copies on page 135 of Winslow Homer and Rubens.
It was quite hard to copy these, and did take me a while. The results are.. well, not my best results... :) but it will do, and i guess i learned something of drawing these. (it where actually my first copies of a real master's drawing)
When drawing the "child in the wicker chair " i didn't pay attention to negative spaces, (i also forgot to tone the background and just started to try to copy) (ow i should mention i copied it upside down) The image isn't really cropped, but i hope this is ok since i tried to copy the original) I might have discarded this drawing a bit too fast. ( i didn't like the way the face of the girl looked, and i couldn't get it right somehow)
The second copy, the rubens copy was also a kinda hard, but it was a more pleasant experience to copy this drawing than the previous. I tried to pay attention to the negative spaces. I feel like i had some moments of "understanding" these negative spaces, resulting in actually drawing the negative spaces, and paying attention to these, rather than the normal shapes and tones.
I had some problems with positioning or copying the small drawings ie. legs, arms+head and arm at the right location. I feel that the negative-spaces-way-of-seeing helped me with this positioning.
http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/copy_01_tmb.jpg (http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/copy_01.jpg) http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/copy_02_tmb.jpg (http://130.89.169.103:44080/hioxz/public_html/cgtalk/copy_02.jpg)
Well i might copy some more masterpieces and get to chapter 8. (or i might look for some more information on composition first?)
Again, thanks for your help.
(Btw. I just got a new appartment, and i have to paint the house and move in the next couple of days/week(s) so i might not be able to post or draw much until i am settled.
But i will be back soon! :scream:
Margie
12-14-2005, 09:03 PM
Hi, everyone!
I'm new to the forums but I've been visiting the galleries for a couples of months, and I think this workshop is fantastic! (Beginner's Lounge is a great idea too!) My girlfriend gave me Betty Edwards's "Drawing on the Right of the Brain" about a year ago, and it made me see drawing from a totally new point of view.
Anyway, I did some of the exercises contained in the book about six months ago and I was considering posting them here. Do you think it would be better if I posted new ones (starting from scratch) instead of the ones I've already got?
This is what I have:
Self-portrait / Portrait of someone from memory / My hand
Vase/Faces
Picasso's Stravinsky Upside-down
Pure Contours Drawing
Sorry for the long post, and thanks for giving so much attention to begginers!!
Hello DanielNasc, welcome aboard and thanks for the kind words!
Great to hear that Betty Edwards' book was such an eye opener for you. It was for me too!
Regarding your question which drawings to post: I leave that up to you to decide. It all depends on what you want to get our of the workshop and only you can decide that.
You could keep the format of the book and start from scratch. In this way, you'll see your progress from now on.
It might also be interesting to post some of these drawings from 6 months ago. I would certainly be interested in seeing them. :)
Looking forward to see some of your work and I hope you'll enjoy the workshop. Betty Edwards' book is one of those rare books that offer something for everyone.
I'm new to the forums but I've been visiting the galleries for a couples of months, and I think this workshop is fantastic! (Beginner's Lounge is a great idea too!) My girlfriend gave me Betty Edwards's "Drawing on the Right of the Brain" about a year ago, and it made me see drawing from a totally new point of view.
Anyway, I did some of the exercises contained in the book about six months ago and I was considering posting them here. Do you think it would be better if I posted new ones (starting from scratch) instead of the ones I've already got?
This is what I have:
Self-portrait / Portrait of someone from memory / My hand
Vase/Faces
Picasso's Stravinsky Upside-down
Pure Contours Drawing
Sorry for the long post, and thanks for giving so much attention to begginers!!
Hello DanielNasc, welcome aboard and thanks for the kind words!
Great to hear that Betty Edwards' book was such an eye opener for you. It was for me too!
Regarding your question which drawings to post: I leave that up to you to decide. It all depends on what you want to get our of the workshop and only you can decide that.
You could keep the format of the book and start from scratch. In this way, you'll see your progress from now on.
It might also be interesting to post some of these drawings from 6 months ago. I would certainly be interested in seeing them. :)
Looking forward to see some of your work and I hope you'll enjoy the workshop. Betty Edwards' book is one of those rare books that offer something for everyone.
Margie
12-14-2005, 09:50 PM
Hioxz
First of all, some comments on your drawings
The child in the chair: Lovely! You have captured the essence of the child snoozing with the little kitten realy well!
Rubens copy: Wow! Great work!
In general: In the Rubens' copy, the negative spaces are excellent. They are not entirely "correct" in the child in chair drawing, but here comes one of the paradoxes of art: expression wins hands down every time, even if the drawing is technically a little faulty.
If you have the chance, there's an exhibition of the works of Michelangelo in Haarlem, Teyler Museum. Besides the famous statues everyone knows so well and a really interesting presentation of the Sisteen chapel painting, there are also a lot of studies, where you can see that even a genius like Michelangelo didn't get it right all the time either.
The exhibition runs until jan 8th 2006.
http://www.michelangelo.nl/
About doing more master copies: yes, yes, yes! It's a great way to learn to draw. Rebecca has posted some great drawings to copy in the beginners' lounge.
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229&page=11&pp=15
(http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229&page=11&pp=15)
(post 163 by Rebeccca)
No problem of you can't post in the coming weeks. I'm a great believer of working at whatever pace suits best. Good luck with the house moving!
First of all, some comments on your drawings
The child in the chair: Lovely! You have captured the essence of the child snoozing with the little kitten realy well!
Rubens copy: Wow! Great work!
In general: In the Rubens' copy, the negative spaces are excellent. They are not entirely "correct" in the child in chair drawing, but here comes one of the paradoxes of art: expression wins hands down every time, even if the drawing is technically a little faulty.
If you have the chance, there's an exhibition of the works of Michelangelo in Haarlem, Teyler Museum. Besides the famous statues everyone knows so well and a really interesting presentation of the Sisteen chapel painting, there are also a lot of studies, where you can see that even a genius like Michelangelo didn't get it right all the time either.
The exhibition runs until jan 8th 2006.
http://www.michelangelo.nl/
About doing more master copies: yes, yes, yes! It's a great way to learn to draw. Rebecca has posted some great drawings to copy in the beginners' lounge.
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229&page=11&pp=15
(http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229&page=11&pp=15)
(post 163 by Rebeccca)
No problem of you can't post in the coming weeks. I'm a great believer of working at whatever pace suits best. Good luck with the house moving!
DanielNasc
12-14-2005, 10:03 PM
Thanks for the reply Margie, I'll try to restart from scracth and then post both old and new drawings. I think I'll be able to post the scans by this weekend (gotta scan everything at a friend's), so until then! And keep up the good work everyone!:)
Hioxz
12-15-2005, 09:12 PM
Thanks for the comments Margie,
It's great to hear positive comments on my drawings. (makes me want to draw more instead of the house moving, lol :) )
I saw some posters of the exhibition in Haarlem on the trainstations a while ago, i definitely want to visit it. (btw. I thought it was running longer, but since it's running till the 8th of januari i will have to hurry up visiting the exhibition).
I noticed the drawings rebecca posted in the beginners lounge topic. I might also buy a book with artist's drawings, since i don't like copying from the monitor (i could also print out some drawings ofcourse).... But i just like books alot :) (Saw a huge book of Da Vinci 's works a while ago in the book shop... (i believe it costed around 150 euro's though.. )
Well, i will be moving some more these days :) Thanks for your kind reply
It's great to hear positive comments on my drawings. (makes me want to draw more instead of the house moving, lol :) )
I saw some posters of the exhibition in Haarlem on the trainstations a while ago, i definitely want to visit it. (btw. I thought it was running longer, but since it's running till the 8th of januari i will have to hurry up visiting the exhibition).
I noticed the drawings rebecca posted in the beginners lounge topic. I might also buy a book with artist's drawings, since i don't like copying from the monitor (i could also print out some drawings ofcourse).... But i just like books alot :) (Saw a huge book of Da Vinci 's works a while ago in the book shop... (i believe it costed around 150 euro's though.. )
Well, i will be moving some more these days :) Thanks for your kind reply
TheHellmaster
12-16-2005, 04:47 PM
Hi there,
I´ve never seen this thread before! This is just great!
How do you draw? Pen&Paper or Tablet?
Is it too late to join the "beginners group" or can I still begin with my work?
TheHellmaster
I´ve never seen this thread before! This is just great!
How do you draw? Pen&Paper or Tablet?
Is it too late to join the "beginners group" or can I still begin with my work?
TheHellmaster
Margie
12-16-2005, 05:10 PM
Hello TheHellmaster!
Thanks for the kind words.
To answer your questions:
You can use whatever medium you feel most comfortable with, traditional pencil/paper or tablet. All exercises can be done digitally, except one, which is tracing your hand.
I've done all the exercises digitally, because I felt I couldn't draw as well as I can with traditional media and I must say it has helped a lot.
This is a continously running workshop, so you can still join and start from the beginning.
At the moment we've just finished chapter 6 and chapter 7 exercise will be posted sometime tonight, but don't let that stop you from doing the first exercise. All exercises are posted on the first page of this thread.
Welcome aboard, looking forward to seeing your work. :)
Thanks for the kind words.
To answer your questions:
You can use whatever medium you feel most comfortable with, traditional pencil/paper or tablet. All exercises can be done digitally, except one, which is tracing your hand.
I've done all the exercises digitally, because I felt I couldn't draw as well as I can with traditional media and I must say it has helped a lot.
This is a continously running workshop, so you can still join and start from the beginning.
At the moment we've just finished chapter 6 and chapter 7 exercise will be posted sometime tonight, but don't let that stop you from doing the first exercise. All exercises are posted on the first page of this thread.
Welcome aboard, looking forward to seeing your work. :)
TheHellmaster
12-16-2005, 05:24 PM
Hello TheHellmaster!
Thanks for the kind words.
To answer your questions:
You can use whatever medium you feel most comfortable with, traditional pencil/paper or tablet. All exercises can be done digitally, except one, which is tracing your hand.
I've done all the exercises digitally, because I felt I couldn't draw as well as I can with traditional media and I must say it has helped a lot.
This is a continously running workshop, so you can still join and start from the beginning.
At the moment we've just finished chapter 6 and chapter 7 exercise will be posted sometime tonight, but don't let that stop you from doing the first exercise. All exercises are posted on the first page of this thread.
Welcome aboard, looking forward to seeing your work. :)
Thanks for the fast answer!
I bought the book allready 4 months before, but I never finished it cause I lost my motivation, but with this thread, I think I can do it. :)
Is there any difference between the english and the german version?
Wich tablet & app are you using? I got a Volito tablet and photoshop, do you think it´s ok?
I will start with the first excercises tonight and post my work soon.
Michael
Thanks for the kind words.
To answer your questions:
You can use whatever medium you feel most comfortable with, traditional pencil/paper or tablet. All exercises can be done digitally, except one, which is tracing your hand.
I've done all the exercises digitally, because I felt I couldn't draw as well as I can with traditional media and I must say it has helped a lot.
This is a continously running workshop, so you can still join and start from the beginning.
At the moment we've just finished chapter 6 and chapter 7 exercise will be posted sometime tonight, but don't let that stop you from doing the first exercise. All exercises are posted on the first page of this thread.
Welcome aboard, looking forward to seeing your work. :)
Thanks for the fast answer!
I bought the book allready 4 months before, but I never finished it cause I lost my motivation, but with this thread, I think I can do it. :)
Is there any difference between the english and the german version?
Wich tablet & app are you using? I got a Volito tablet and photoshop, do you think it´s ok?
I will start with the first excercises tonight and post my work soon.
Michael
Margie
12-16-2005, 07:09 PM
Thanks for the fast answer!
I bought the book allready 4 months before, but I never finished it cause I lost my motivation, but with this thread, I think I can do it. :)
I really hope so. It's not very easy to study drawing all by yourself and it's very easy to loose motivation if you can't show your work and get positive feedback from fellow artists.
You're in the right place! Wait until you meet motivator extraordinaire Rebecca. This girl has got me drawing like never before!
Is there any difference between the english and the german version?
No, I don't think so. The book was translated in many languages. I've got the Dutch and English versions and they are identical.
Wich tablet & app are you using? I got a Volito tablet and photoshop, do you think it´s ok?
Graphire and anything that has a good paint engine. Volito and PS sounds perfect for the job!
I will start with the first excercises tonight and post my work soon.
Michael
Great! :thumbsup:
I bought the book allready 4 months before, but I never finished it cause I lost my motivation, but with this thread, I think I can do it. :)
I really hope so. It's not very easy to study drawing all by yourself and it's very easy to loose motivation if you can't show your work and get positive feedback from fellow artists.
You're in the right place! Wait until you meet motivator extraordinaire Rebecca. This girl has got me drawing like never before!
Is there any difference between the english and the german version?
No, I don't think so. The book was translated in many languages. I've got the Dutch and English versions and they are identical.
Wich tablet & app are you using? I got a Volito tablet and photoshop, do you think it´s ok?
Graphire and anything that has a good paint engine. Volito and PS sounds perfect for the job!
I will start with the first excercises tonight and post my work soon.
Michael
Great! :thumbsup:
Rebeccak
12-16-2005, 08:46 PM
Everyone,
Please note that the Instructions for EXERCISE #5 have been posted at the beginning of this thread, >>here<<: (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2559549&postcount=2)
EXERCISE #5 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2559549&postcount=2)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2559549&postcount=2
Thanks to Margie for doing a great job writing these up! :)
Please note that the Instructions for EXERCISE #5 have been posted at the beginning of this thread, >>here<<: (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2559549&postcount=2)
EXERCISE #5 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2559549&postcount=2)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2559549&postcount=2
Thanks to Margie for doing a great job writing these up! :)
TheHellmaster
12-16-2005, 11:01 PM
Ok, I tried my self portrait with my tablet, but I think I will stay @ pen&paper.
Drawing with the tablet feels strange and well... strange :)
Anyway, here´s the tablet version from me..
Drawing with the tablet feels strange and well... strange :)
Anyway, here´s the tablet version from me..
DanielNasc
12-17-2005, 04:29 PM
Hmmm, I've got some images ready but I don't know how to resize them to the proper size (600 pixels width and a proportional height... Wich software should I use? Will Photoshop do the job?):shrug:
Rebeccak
12-17-2005, 04:41 PM
DanielNasc,
Hi there! :) Yes, PS will most certainly do the job. Keep a full size copy of your image. Then duplicate the image, and rename it as *filename*_small. Go to Image > Image Size, and enter 600 pixels. Make sure that "Constrain Proportions" is checked in the Image Size dialogue box, and your proportional height will automatically be determined. Click ok, and your image will now be 600 pixels wide (by the proportional height, which PS will determine).
Make sure to save for web (Alt + Ctrl + Shift + S or File > Save for Web) and use the JPG format. Usually it's best to keep images to under 200 KB for fast loading times, so reduce the image quality if necessary in the Save for Web dialog that appears (the KB size of the doc is visible in the lower left hand corner of the Save for Web dialog box).
EDIT: Also, if you are unfamiliar with posting images to a webforum such as CGTalk, take a look at this tutorial, which is a Sticky Thread at the top of this Forum: :)
New to CGTalk? Learn how to post IMAGES here! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=267088)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=267088
Let me know if you have any questions. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Hi there! :) Yes, PS will most certainly do the job. Keep a full size copy of your image. Then duplicate the image, and rename it as *filename*_small. Go to Image > Image Size, and enter 600 pixels. Make sure that "Constrain Proportions" is checked in the Image Size dialogue box, and your proportional height will automatically be determined. Click ok, and your image will now be 600 pixels wide (by the proportional height, which PS will determine).
Make sure to save for web (Alt + Ctrl + Shift + S or File > Save for Web) and use the JPG format. Usually it's best to keep images to under 200 KB for fast loading times, so reduce the image quality if necessary in the Save for Web dialog that appears (the KB size of the doc is visible in the lower left hand corner of the Save for Web dialog box).
EDIT: Also, if you are unfamiliar with posting images to a webforum such as CGTalk, take a look at this tutorial, which is a Sticky Thread at the top of this Forum: :)
New to CGTalk? Learn how to post IMAGES here! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=267088)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=267088
Let me know if you have any questions. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Margie
12-17-2005, 05:51 PM
Ok, I tried my self portrait with my tablet, but I think I will stay @ pen&paper.
Drawing with the tablet feels strange and well... strange :)
Anyway, here´s the tablet version from me..
Thanks for posting! Keeping the format of the book, I will not comment for now. The reason why you are asked to do this exercise is to have a record of your progress. The exercises in the book will teach you to see in a different way and this will make a big difference in the way you draw, so it's nice to have something to compare with. :)
Learning to draw with a tablet takes a little time, it's like learning to draw all over again, from the beginning. The first week I had mine, all I did was draw lines. squiggles and circles to get a "feel" for the tablet pen.
I think it's a good idea to stick with paper & pen for the exercises of this book, and meanwhile, if you feel like it, practise using a tablet pen without trying to draw anything particular. Just doodle and play around with all the brushes. It's fun! :)
Drawing with the tablet feels strange and well... strange :)
Anyway, here´s the tablet version from me..
Thanks for posting! Keeping the format of the book, I will not comment for now. The reason why you are asked to do this exercise is to have a record of your progress. The exercises in the book will teach you to see in a different way and this will make a big difference in the way you draw, so it's nice to have something to compare with. :)
Learning to draw with a tablet takes a little time, it's like learning to draw all over again, from the beginning. The first week I had mine, all I did was draw lines. squiggles and circles to get a "feel" for the tablet pen.
I think it's a good idea to stick with paper & pen for the exercises of this book, and meanwhile, if you feel like it, practise using a tablet pen without trying to draw anything particular. Just doodle and play around with all the brushes. It's fun! :)
TheHellmaster
12-17-2005, 07:24 PM
Thanks for your answer Margie.
I´ve made the with pen&paper now, and here´s the result:
Selfportrait:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/TheHellmaster666/Selbstportrait.jpg
I think this one is better then exceptet!
Memory
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/TheHellmaster666/Memory.jpg
This was REALLY hard for me. I was looking on the empty paper 5 minutes and had no idea where to start... It´s my brothers girlfriend, but it really looks not like her.
My hand:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/TheHellmaster666/Hand.jpg
Well... IMO ok but far away from good.
I found something funny! It´s my old selfportrait from March 2003. This is the selfportrait I made when I saw the book the first time. Uhhhh... This is really bad. :)
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/TheHellmaster666/Selbstportrait_alt.jpg
That´s it! See you soon! :)
Michael
I´ve made the with pen&paper now, and here´s the result:
Selfportrait:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/TheHellmaster666/Selbstportrait.jpg
I think this one is better then exceptet!
Memory
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/TheHellmaster666/Memory.jpg
This was REALLY hard for me. I was looking on the empty paper 5 minutes and had no idea where to start... It´s my brothers girlfriend, but it really looks not like her.
My hand:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/TheHellmaster666/Hand.jpg
Well... IMO ok but far away from good.
I found something funny! It´s my old selfportrait from March 2003. This is the selfportrait I made when I saw the book the first time. Uhhhh... This is really bad. :)
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/TheHellmaster666/Selbstportrait_alt.jpg
That´s it! See you soon! :)
Michael
Margie
12-17-2005, 08:31 PM
Hi Michael,
You make it really hard for me not to comment. :D (So I'm going to do it anyway)
First of all, it's great to see the first and second selfportraits. I can see the improvement, even between the tablet version and the first selfportrait. I agree the pencilled one turned out much, much better.
Drawing from memory is one of the hardest things to do. It forces you to use the visual language you have learned so far.
Later in the book, it is explained why you draw that way and that it is not a lack of talent, but simply a lack of training.
Our schools are not very good in teaching youngsters to draw well, because art is still considered as "a past-time, a hobby, not relevant to the economy".
Which is very strange considering that there is a huge entertainment industry (film, TV, games, comics, illustration) which could not exsist without artists. The game industry by itself is good for a couple of billion dollars per year!
People who can draw well from memory can only do so after they've studied a great deal of anatomy and trained their "artist eye". In effect that means they have learned a different visual language, one that is more true to reality.
Hope to see more of your work!
You make it really hard for me not to comment. :D (So I'm going to do it anyway)
First of all, it's great to see the first and second selfportraits. I can see the improvement, even between the tablet version and the first selfportrait. I agree the pencilled one turned out much, much better.
Drawing from memory is one of the hardest things to do. It forces you to use the visual language you have learned so far.
Later in the book, it is explained why you draw that way and that it is not a lack of talent, but simply a lack of training.
Our schools are not very good in teaching youngsters to draw well, because art is still considered as "a past-time, a hobby, not relevant to the economy".
Which is very strange considering that there is a huge entertainment industry (film, TV, games, comics, illustration) which could not exsist without artists. The game industry by itself is good for a couple of billion dollars per year!
People who can draw well from memory can only do so after they've studied a great deal of anatomy and trained their "artist eye". In effect that means they have learned a different visual language, one that is more true to reality.
Hope to see more of your work!
Kami Z
12-19-2005, 09:20 AM
Hello everyone. I was wondering if I can still participate in this thread. It seems that this drawing workshop has started long ago and I saw a 4 week time limit. I really want to join in and actually learn anatomy, but I am not sure if I am too late or not.
Margie
12-19-2005, 11:42 AM
Hello Kami Z, welcome.
Yes, you can still join the workshop, it's not too late. Just start with the first exercise and post your drawings.
Hope to see your work.:)
Yes, you can still join the workshop, it's not too late. Just start with the first exercise and post your drawings.
Hope to see your work.:)
TheHellmaster
12-19-2005, 10:23 PM
Ok, I made the next exercise.
Here are the images:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/TheHellmaster666/Pic1.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/TheHellmaster666/Pic2.jpg
Well, I made 2 drawings from each pics, but I don´t feel something different between my "Left Side" and the "Right Side"...
Betty writes in the book: "While you draw the pictures, you should feel the right side and know this feeling now. Next thing is to control the switch between left and right side"
That´s my problem! I don´t feel any difference when I´m drawing. :shrug:
I know the feeling when I´m driving on the highway or reading a book... daydreaming (like she writes in her book), but when I draw the pictures, I´m still thinking and can´t "turn it off"...
Anyone else got this problem or a solution? :sad:
Michael
PS: I love the pictures anyway, cause I never thought I can do it like that. :D
Here are the images:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/TheHellmaster666/Pic1.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/TheHellmaster666/Pic2.jpg
Well, I made 2 drawings from each pics, but I don´t feel something different between my "Left Side" and the "Right Side"...
Betty writes in the book: "While you draw the pictures, you should feel the right side and know this feeling now. Next thing is to control the switch between left and right side"
That´s my problem! I don´t feel any difference when I´m drawing. :shrug:
I know the feeling when I´m driving on the highway or reading a book... daydreaming (like she writes in her book), but when I draw the pictures, I´m still thinking and can´t "turn it off"...
Anyone else got this problem or a solution? :sad:
Michael
PS: I love the pictures anyway, cause I never thought I can do it like that. :D
DanielNasc
12-20-2005, 06:09 AM
TheHellmaster,
I don't really feel such a strong change when I'm drawing (it's more obvious when I'm reading or driving), and most certainly my "left side" doesn't get as quiet as Betty Edwards suggests, but judging by your drawings, I think your right side works pretty well! If you don't get the exact feeling described in the book, don't worry, maybe your transition is more subtle or maybe your mind works just fine using both hemispheres simultaneously even when your drawing. And if you surprised yourself with the results of the exercises, don't you think your visual perception has improved and helped you to draw?:thumbsup:
----
I finally got some work scanned, (only the first assignment - I'll be posting more next week).
Something I'd like to say is that, when I'm drawing, specially creatively, my minds goes a bit insane - while I focus primaly on the action of drawing, my "background" thoughts become a mess of music, song lyrics, ideas, invented conversations with people I know and lots of stuff that should, IMO, belong to the "left", verbal, side of the brain. On the other hand, when I focus on realistic drawings, the left side shuts up almost completely - specially on places particularly difficult to draw, and I can feel more clearly that transition mentioned in the book.
Sorry for the long post everyone!
Self-portrait >> Done about a year ago
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/dtrn/CG/Me1_Small.jpg
Self-portrait >> Done last week (Maybe I'll put the mouth later)
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/dtrn/CG/Me2_Small.jpg
My girlfriend (she asked me "Who's that?") >> Drawn the same day I did the 1st self-portrait
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/dtrn/CG/Another_Small.jpg
My Left Hand >> drawn the same day of the 1st self-portrait
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/dtrn/CG/Hand1_Small.jpg
My right hand in two different views >> drawn some weeks ago
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/dtrn/CG/Hands2_Small.jpg
Sorry for the huge post, I'll edit it if necessary!:hmm:
I don't really feel such a strong change when I'm drawing (it's more obvious when I'm reading or driving), and most certainly my "left side" doesn't get as quiet as Betty Edwards suggests, but judging by your drawings, I think your right side works pretty well! If you don't get the exact feeling described in the book, don't worry, maybe your transition is more subtle or maybe your mind works just fine using both hemispheres simultaneously even when your drawing. And if you surprised yourself with the results of the exercises, don't you think your visual perception has improved and helped you to draw?:thumbsup:
----
I finally got some work scanned, (only the first assignment - I'll be posting more next week).
Something I'd like to say is that, when I'm drawing, specially creatively, my minds goes a bit insane - while I focus primaly on the action of drawing, my "background" thoughts become a mess of music, song lyrics, ideas, invented conversations with people I know and lots of stuff that should, IMO, belong to the "left", verbal, side of the brain. On the other hand, when I focus on realistic drawings, the left side shuts up almost completely - specially on places particularly difficult to draw, and I can feel more clearly that transition mentioned in the book.
Sorry for the long post everyone!
Self-portrait >> Done about a year ago
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/dtrn/CG/Me1_Small.jpg
Self-portrait >> Done last week (Maybe I'll put the mouth later)
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/dtrn/CG/Me2_Small.jpg
My girlfriend (she asked me "Who's that?") >> Drawn the same day I did the 1st self-portrait
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/dtrn/CG/Another_Small.jpg
My Left Hand >> drawn the same day of the 1st self-portrait
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/dtrn/CG/Hand1_Small.jpg
My right hand in two different views >> drawn some weeks ago
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/dtrn/CG/Hands2_Small.jpg
Sorry for the huge post, I'll edit it if necessary!:hmm:
Lyneran
12-22-2005, 01:26 PM
hey guys! glad to see this workshop flourishing! and kudos to margie and ms.k for their great work! :thumbsup:
great stuff so far, keep them coming! this workshop is where i first started posting too, and going through all the betty edwards exercises helped me a lot! (i didn't get the chance to post anymore though) i'll just pass on some advice given to me, this is encouragement from one learner to another:
:) the 2nd most important thing to do is to practice everyday. make exercises for yourself, observe the things around you, draw even for just a few minutes. it might not seem to help at first but water doesn't boil immediately even when the fire's at max does it? it takes a bit of time and hard work so practice smart, practice often and be patient. it's worth it. don't worry about the "bad" drawings in your sketchbooks, those "bad" drawings get you from one good drawing to the next, then to the great and then to the spectacular. :D
:) the most important thing to do imho, is to nurture your love for what you're doing. just enjoy the process, because learning takes a lifetime. don't expect that you will someday reach the top of the hill and people will pin a badge that says "artist" on your chest. you are an artist now while you are on the uphill climb :) even if your patience runs out, you've worked your butt off and you're frustrated enough to choke someone to death, your love for what you do will be the only thing that will keep you going, and it will always be more than enough reason to keep at it.
don't worry, i assure you the people here at cgtalk make learning art less of a burden and more of a rollercoaster ride :thumbsup:
whoops. sorry for the extra Long post. :scream:
-Lye-
great stuff so far, keep them coming! this workshop is where i first started posting too, and going through all the betty edwards exercises helped me a lot! (i didn't get the chance to post anymore though) i'll just pass on some advice given to me, this is encouragement from one learner to another:
:) the 2nd most important thing to do is to practice everyday. make exercises for yourself, observe the things around you, draw even for just a few minutes. it might not seem to help at first but water doesn't boil immediately even when the fire's at max does it? it takes a bit of time and hard work so practice smart, practice often and be patient. it's worth it. don't worry about the "bad" drawings in your sketchbooks, those "bad" drawings get you from one good drawing to the next, then to the great and then to the spectacular. :D
:) the most important thing to do imho, is to nurture your love for what you're doing. just enjoy the process, because learning takes a lifetime. don't expect that you will someday reach the top of the hill and people will pin a badge that says "artist" on your chest. you are an artist now while you are on the uphill climb :) even if your patience runs out, you've worked your butt off and you're frustrated enough to choke someone to death, your love for what you do will be the only thing that will keep you going, and it will always be more than enough reason to keep at it.
don't worry, i assure you the people here at cgtalk make learning art less of a burden and more of a rollercoaster ride :thumbsup:
whoops. sorry for the extra Long post. :scream:
-Lye-
Rebeccak
12-22-2005, 05:37 PM
Everyone,
I would just like to announce that this Workshop will continue indefinitely, but that the moderation may be a bit less frequent ~ I would like to transition this into being one that's self~sustained by group~interaction, which you guys are already really good at, :) and group support. :) I will definitely be checking in to see what's going on, but I think the book is really the primary guide, and having a helpful community here whose members are responsive to one anothers' posts I think should be sufficient to keep this thread going. Considering that (hopefully) new people will continue to find this thread and to find it useful, and will be starting from the first Exercise at their own pace, I think it's best to allow this to be a self~sustaining thread. :)
Hopefully this makes sense and is agreeable to everyone. :)
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
I would just like to announce that this Workshop will continue indefinitely, but that the moderation may be a bit less frequent ~ I would like to transition this into being one that's self~sustained by group~interaction, which you guys are already really good at, :) and group support. :) I will definitely be checking in to see what's going on, but I think the book is really the primary guide, and having a helpful community here whose members are responsive to one anothers' posts I think should be sufficient to keep this thread going. Considering that (hopefully) new people will continue to find this thread and to find it useful, and will be starting from the first Exercise at their own pace, I think it's best to allow this to be a self~sustaining thread. :)
Hopefully this makes sense and is agreeable to everyone. :)
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
MJV
01-05-2006, 02:30 AM
Hello all. My New Year's resolution is to learn to draw, or go down trying. I got the book Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain for Christmas and I've enrolled in a beginner drawing class at School of Visual Arts in Manhattan which starts later this month. Should be an interesting case study to see if I, a 48 year old man with absolutely zero drawing skills, can learn to draw. Already did the first self portrait exercise and I must say that the results are simply embarrassing, much too much so to think of posting it at this time.
Rebeccak
01-05-2006, 02:36 AM
MJV,
Welcome aboard! :)
Imo, it's never too late to learn something new...I really think that talent counts for a lot less than hard work and committment in the long run, and, while the going may not be easy at first, if you stick to things, eventually things will click and you will find that you are enjoying yourself. :)
If you have not already done so, definitely check out the following links compiled for Beginners:
Resources for Beginners: (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2897666&postcount=2)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2897666&postcount=2
And feel free to post here whenever you wish. :)
Looking forward to seeing your work!
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Welcome aboard! :)
Imo, it's never too late to learn something new...I really think that talent counts for a lot less than hard work and committment in the long run, and, while the going may not be easy at first, if you stick to things, eventually things will click and you will find that you are enjoying yourself. :)
If you have not already done so, definitely check out the following links compiled for Beginners:
Resources for Beginners: (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2897666&postcount=2)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2897666&postcount=2
And feel free to post here whenever you wish. :)
Looking forward to seeing your work!
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
BernieK
01-09-2006, 12:11 PM
hi all!
haven't been able to post for some time. i had to move back to europe a few weeks ago and am now preparing to move to canada, so i didn't have much time. but i got everything sorted now so i think i can post the new exercises soon.
just to let you know that i'm still following this thread :bounce:
cheers!
BernieK
haven't been able to post for some time. i had to move back to europe a few weeks ago and am now preparing to move to canada, so i didn't have much time. but i got everything sorted now so i think i can post the new exercises soon.
just to let you know that i'm still following this thread :bounce:
cheers!
BernieK
Rebeccak
01-09-2006, 12:13 PM
BernieK,
Good lord, that's a lot of moving! :eek: Looking forward to seeing your stuff when you're all settled in. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Good lord, that's a lot of moving! :eek: Looking forward to seeing your stuff when you're all settled in. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Dracofodder
01-10-2006, 03:19 PM
Whew! End of year really took a lot of my time and I had nothing left for drawing until this last week. Here is exercise #4, and I must say that I am getting more comfortable with seeing the edges instead of seeing "fingers, fingernails, etc." and that is starting to extend to noticing edges on things, even when I am not drawing.
But, that said, I found this exercise particularly difficult in that I couldn't get the shading to work as I wanted. Maybe the location I was working did not have had the best lighting. When I looked at my hand, I couldn't see obvious shadow areas, and just decided to add shading to some selected edges I had drawn in.
I will try again with tablet, instead of paper/pencil just to see if its the medium, or truely my inability to judge shadows at this time.
Here is #4 in pencil.
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2738/lesson45ox.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
But, that said, I found this exercise particularly difficult in that I couldn't get the shading to work as I wanted. Maybe the location I was working did not have had the best lighting. When I looked at my hand, I couldn't see obvious shadow areas, and just decided to add shading to some selected edges I had drawn in.
I will try again with tablet, instead of paper/pencil just to see if its the medium, or truely my inability to judge shadows at this time.
Here is #4 in pencil.
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2738/lesson45ox.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Kelob
01-10-2006, 11:27 PM
Hello there!
Quite new to this site but finding it very helpful and just generally awe-inspiring. I've never been that much of an artist but always wanted to improve. Just before Christmas an ex-colleague published a book called The Lost Art (Christian Furr) that is essentially a watered-down version of Drawing on the Right Side...
I thought if it's no good then at least I can give it as a present to someone :-)
It was however quite interesting and in the book Chris mentions that the next logical step is Right Side so I got a copy on Saturday and found this thread yesterday!
So to business; I've managed to do the hand and self-portrait pictures this evening and will do the face from memory later on this week. (Busy busy busy).
Thanks to the mods for giving up the time to monitor this thread and crit the work. Big respect.
I don't have a scanner so I used my digicam (the autofocus is going so they're a little blurry...but it does hide a bit of the messiness :-) ).
(http://photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/?action=view¤t=Hand_Kelob.jpg)http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/selfportrait_Kelob.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/Hand_Kelob.jpg
I'll give the face from memory a go later this week.
Quite new to this site but finding it very helpful and just generally awe-inspiring. I've never been that much of an artist but always wanted to improve. Just before Christmas an ex-colleague published a book called The Lost Art (Christian Furr) that is essentially a watered-down version of Drawing on the Right Side...
I thought if it's no good then at least I can give it as a present to someone :-)
It was however quite interesting and in the book Chris mentions that the next logical step is Right Side so I got a copy on Saturday and found this thread yesterday!
So to business; I've managed to do the hand and self-portrait pictures this evening and will do the face from memory later on this week. (Busy busy busy).
Thanks to the mods for giving up the time to monitor this thread and crit the work. Big respect.
I don't have a scanner so I used my digicam (the autofocus is going so they're a little blurry...but it does hide a bit of the messiness :-) ).
(http://photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/?action=view¤t=Hand_Kelob.jpg)http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/selfportrait_Kelob.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/Hand_Kelob.jpg
I'll give the face from memory a go later this week.
Rebeccak
01-11-2006, 02:56 AM
Dracofodder,
Good to see you back! :) With respect to the shading issue, may I suggest trying the same drawing a second time in better light? I agree that of course lighting can affect your perception of form quite significantly ~ particularly if the light is too low, or too bright.
Look forward to seeing your Wacom studies as well! :)
Kelob,
Welcome aboard! :) I'm glad that you found this Workshop. It is pretty informal here, so it will be great if you guys can comment on each others' work and help each other out! :)
No biggie, but if you could copy and paste the URL's of your images into the EDIT POST text editor / picture icon, which is the yellow square with the mountain and sun, we will be able to see your images instead of links. Thanks! :)
Nice sensitive linework in your drawings ~ particularly in that of the hand. Really strive for that!
Looking forward to seeing more of your work! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Good to see you back! :) With respect to the shading issue, may I suggest trying the same drawing a second time in better light? I agree that of course lighting can affect your perception of form quite significantly ~ particularly if the light is too low, or too bright.
Look forward to seeing your Wacom studies as well! :)
Kelob,
Welcome aboard! :) I'm glad that you found this Workshop. It is pretty informal here, so it will be great if you guys can comment on each others' work and help each other out! :)
No biggie, but if you could copy and paste the URL's of your images into the EDIT POST text editor / picture icon, which is the yellow square with the mountain and sun, we will be able to see your images instead of links. Thanks! :)
Nice sensitive linework in your drawings ~ particularly in that of the hand. Really strive for that!
Looking forward to seeing more of your work! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Kelob
01-12-2006, 12:54 AM
I tried using the insert image icon originally but it just displays the link. When editing, just after entering the url , it tries to download the pic then shows the broken pic icon and I end up with the links only :-(
Rebeccak
01-12-2006, 12:56 AM
Kelob,
Try going back to your original Photobucket account and recopying and pasting the URL from there, and pasting it into the picture icon ~ see if that works. :)
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Try going back to your original Photobucket account and recopying and pasting the URL from there, and pasting it into the picture icon ~ see if that works. :)
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Kelob
01-23-2006, 08:34 PM
Tried that too :-(
I'm using Firefox and I don't see any images in the pages so I guess it must be due to that.
I'm having real trouble with the face from memory, I can't seem to reliably visualise and draw whoever it is I'm trying to do...but I guess that's part of the exercise :-)
I've been doing other sketches in the meantime (I've been working through the book fully intending to do the exercises but then get distracted and start sketching other things). I'm going to try and sit down this week and post some sketches relevant to this thread to try and get back on track.
I must say this book has already transformed the way I look at things and I've surprised myself and others with some of the sketches I've produced.
I'm using Firefox and I don't see any images in the pages so I guess it must be due to that.
I'm having real trouble with the face from memory, I can't seem to reliably visualise and draw whoever it is I'm trying to do...but I guess that's part of the exercise :-)
I've been doing other sketches in the meantime (I've been working through the book fully intending to do the exercises but then get distracted and start sketching other things). I'm going to try and sit down this week and post some sketches relevant to this thread to try and get back on track.
I must say this book has already transformed the way I look at things and I've surprised myself and others with some of the sketches I've produced.
Kelob
01-31-2006, 01:19 AM
I'm still having problems making the pics appear on the page rather than as a link so please excuse this.
I've been a busy bee tonight!
I did a face from memory, suffice to say it looks nothing like the guy I had in mind.
I was in a meeting today and my eye caught his and I thought 'He's got a skinny distinctive face, he'll be easy ' ;-)
Take my word for it; it looks nothing like him.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/RW_From_Memory0001.jpg
I also did the 2 upside drawings (while watching MST3k so they're a little weak compared to what I could have achieved I reckon)
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/upside_sketch0001.jpg
His face is too long and his right arm is a little 'fat' but overall I'm pretty pleased, the perspective on the leg looks nice. I must admit touching him up (oo-er!) after I'd compared it to the oroginal at the end of the exercise but nothing too major.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/upside_horsesoldier0001.jpg
Again slightly touched up and his right arm this time is too small. I could have made it bigger and it would have looked nicer but I thought I'd do only minor touches to keep to the rules :-)
I've got some other sketches and things I've done recently; would it be appropriate to post them in this thread? If not where else can I put them for people to look at ? I don't want people to think they're WiP's, they're simply things I've been doing to improve.
Oh I almost forgot, the vase-face exercise;
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/faces_vase0001.jpg
I talked all the way through this one as suggested in the book, boy what a difference it made. I can definitely feel my left side chattering away and it can be quite struggle to quiet it down. When doing the upside_down sketch of the guy it felt as though one part of my brain knew a certain line was being drawn wrong but the other was like a dog jumping up saying 'yeah that'll do now pay attention to me!!!'. I knew the line wasn't complete but wanted to stop it there and then.
I can certainly feel the conflict between the 2 sides and it can take a lot of effort to quiet down the left one (although once or twice when I've got so frustrated and given up and the doodles and sketches I carry no doing start coming out right)...I guess the lesson here is 'Patience!' lol.
I've been a busy bee tonight!
I did a face from memory, suffice to say it looks nothing like the guy I had in mind.
I was in a meeting today and my eye caught his and I thought 'He's got a skinny distinctive face, he'll be easy ' ;-)
Take my word for it; it looks nothing like him.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/RW_From_Memory0001.jpg
I also did the 2 upside drawings (while watching MST3k so they're a little weak compared to what I could have achieved I reckon)
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/upside_sketch0001.jpg
His face is too long and his right arm is a little 'fat' but overall I'm pretty pleased, the perspective on the leg looks nice. I must admit touching him up (oo-er!) after I'd compared it to the oroginal at the end of the exercise but nothing too major.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/upside_horsesoldier0001.jpg
Again slightly touched up and his right arm this time is too small. I could have made it bigger and it would have looked nicer but I thought I'd do only minor touches to keep to the rules :-)
I've got some other sketches and things I've done recently; would it be appropriate to post them in this thread? If not where else can I put them for people to look at ? I don't want people to think they're WiP's, they're simply things I've been doing to improve.
Oh I almost forgot, the vase-face exercise;
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/Kelob/Right%20Side%20Pix/faces_vase0001.jpg
I talked all the way through this one as suggested in the book, boy what a difference it made. I can definitely feel my left side chattering away and it can be quite struggle to quiet it down. When doing the upside_down sketch of the guy it felt as though one part of my brain knew a certain line was being drawn wrong but the other was like a dog jumping up saying 'yeah that'll do now pay attention to me!!!'. I knew the line wasn't complete but wanted to stop it there and then.
I can certainly feel the conflict between the 2 sides and it can take a lot of effort to quiet down the left one (although once or twice when I've got so frustrated and given up and the doodles and sketches I carry no doing start coming out right)...I guess the lesson here is 'Patience!' lol.
Rebeccak
01-31-2006, 01:26 AM
Kelob,
Heya, good to see your images! :) I can see your images as images fine, and not as links, so I wonder if it's just this:
Go to User CP > Edit Options > make sure the following are checked:
Show Signatures
Show Avatars
Show Images (including attached images and images in [IMG] code)
Hope it helps! :)
BTW, you should also feel free to check out this thread when you can:
Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229
It's a bit more active than this one, though I would of course encourage you to continue with the Exercises here ~ I think they are great ones! :)
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Heya, good to see your images! :) I can see your images as images fine, and not as links, so I wonder if it's just this:
Go to User CP > Edit Options > make sure the following are checked:
Show Signatures
Show Avatars
Show Images (including attached images and images in [IMG] code)
Hope it helps! :)
BTW, you should also feel free to check out this thread when you can:
Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229
It's a bit more active than this one, though I would of course encourage you to continue with the Exercises here ~ I think they are great ones! :)
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
BernieK
02-08-2006, 03:03 AM
hi there!
finally i'm settled again. have re-done the pure contour drawing today and did the modified contour drawing aswell. i'm not really unhappy with the result, but i think i give it a second try... but here's the first attempt:
http://www.pixelzone.org/gallery/albums/album26/handModi003.jpg
http://www.pixelzone.org/gallery/albums/album26/handModi001.jpg
unfortunately i don't have a scanner anymore, so i had to take pics with my camera... so not the best quality... i also had to enhance the contrast of the second drawing quite a bit in photoshop...
cheers!
finally i'm settled again. have re-done the pure contour drawing today and did the modified contour drawing aswell. i'm not really unhappy with the result, but i think i give it a second try... but here's the first attempt:
http://www.pixelzone.org/gallery/albums/album26/handModi003.jpg
http://www.pixelzone.org/gallery/albums/album26/handModi001.jpg
unfortunately i don't have a scanner anymore, so i had to take pics with my camera... so not the best quality... i also had to enhance the contrast of the second drawing quite a bit in photoshop...
cheers!
Rebeccak
02-08-2006, 04:25 AM
BernieK,
Wow, that second drawing is looking quite nice! :thumbsup: I look forward to seeing your next drawing...how do you think that this exercise has helped you? Overall, would you say that you're getting a lot out of the book? :)
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Wow, that second drawing is looking quite nice! :thumbsup: I look forward to seeing your next drawing...how do you think that this exercise has helped you? Overall, would you say that you're getting a lot out of the book? :)
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
BernieK
02-16-2006, 02:35 AM
hey!
well, the pure and modifierd contour drawing exercises definitly helped a lot! the whole picture plane thing is making drawing somehow much more enjoyable for me. and now the negative spaces exercise was also great, though i will redo this exercise, i think i wasn't in the right state of mind today...
Overall i got a lot out of this book (and i'm just half way through it...). and out of this workshop (which unfortunaltly isn't so popular anymore...). thanks again rebeccaK btw!!! great job!!!
long story short: you rock!!! :thumbsup:
and here is the exercise:
http://www.pixelzone.org/gallery/albums/album26/negSpacesW.jpg
cheers!
well, the pure and modifierd contour drawing exercises definitly helped a lot! the whole picture plane thing is making drawing somehow much more enjoyable for me. and now the negative spaces exercise was also great, though i will redo this exercise, i think i wasn't in the right state of mind today...
Overall i got a lot out of this book (and i'm just half way through it...). and out of this workshop (which unfortunaltly isn't so popular anymore...). thanks again rebeccaK btw!!! great job!!!
long story short: you rock!!! :thumbsup:
and here is the exercise:
http://www.pixelzone.org/gallery/albums/album26/negSpacesW.jpg
cheers!
Rebeccak
02-16-2006, 03:05 AM
BernieK,
Kudos to you for being the lone gunman on this thread...:D...thank you for the compliment, and I'm thrilled you're getting so much out of the book. :)
This latest drawing is quite impressive! :thumbsup:
While your peers seem to have evaporated :D I'm still happy to look at the work which you post here. :) I think you're making great progress, and I hope to see more. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Kudos to you for being the lone gunman on this thread...:D...thank you for the compliment, and I'm thrilled you're getting so much out of the book. :)
This latest drawing is quite impressive! :thumbsup:
While your peers seem to have evaporated :D I'm still happy to look at the work which you post here. :) I think you're making great progress, and I hope to see more. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
BernieK
02-17-2006, 11:30 PM
not gonna give up on this thread !!! :D
did the perspective drawing. i caught myself constantly thinking "this edge CAN'T be at that angle" or "this edge CAN'T be shorter than that one...". but after i drew it anyways it turned out to be (more or less) right... and frankly, also in the previous exercises, i feel much more confident drawing a "difficult" subject than a seemingly simple one... in this drawing the table should actually be the simplest part (or at least i would think so), but in the end that's the subject i'm least happy with...
and here it is, probably wasn't the best view for this exercise (since basically only half of the image has some depth).
http://www.pixelzone.org/gallery/albums/album26/perspW.jpg
cheers!
did the perspective drawing. i caught myself constantly thinking "this edge CAN'T be at that angle" or "this edge CAN'T be shorter than that one...". but after i drew it anyways it turned out to be (more or less) right... and frankly, also in the previous exercises, i feel much more confident drawing a "difficult" subject than a seemingly simple one... in this drawing the table should actually be the simplest part (or at least i would think so), but in the end that's the subject i'm least happy with...
and here it is, probably wasn't the best view for this exercise (since basically only half of the image has some depth).
http://www.pixelzone.org/gallery/albums/album26/perspW.jpg
cheers!
Sagii
02-25-2006, 05:08 AM
:blush: Well.. I remember saying many months back that I was going to join this great thread and never did. Sorry. I was concentrating too much in trying to learn the software and forgot to learn drawing, anatomy and the fundamentals :banghead:. I have to face it my drawing skills are embarrasing for someone that wants to be an artist. So instead of talking about doing things, I better start doing. Sketching daily on good old paper and pencil. No more talk the talk, its time to walk the walk.
Thank you so much Rebeccak for creating sections in your forum for beginners to feel comfortable enough to post. Its one of the hardest steps but a the most important one. :D
So I am in. I have an older edition of the book, Read CH1 and did the homework:
Exercise 1- Drew looking at someone,
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/inesdonovan/DrawingoneEmoryLookingathim.jpg
Exercise 2- Draw a face without looking at one.. no reference.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/inesdonovan/DrawingtwoNoreference.jpg :) she looks terrified for some reason.
Thank you so much Rebeccak for creating sections in your forum for beginners to feel comfortable enough to post. Its one of the hardest steps but a the most important one. :D
So I am in. I have an older edition of the book, Read CH1 and did the homework:
Exercise 1- Drew looking at someone,
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/inesdonovan/DrawingoneEmoryLookingathim.jpg
Exercise 2- Draw a face without looking at one.. no reference.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/inesdonovan/DrawingtwoNoreference.jpg :) she looks terrified for some reason.
Rebeccak
02-25-2006, 04:29 PM
Ines,
Great to see you doing these exercises! :thumbsup: I think you've done an especially nice job with the drawing from life, and would encourage you to draw from life as much as is possible. :)
Looking forward to seeing your next exercise!
Cheers, :)
~Rk
Great to see you doing these exercises! :thumbsup: I think you've done an especially nice job with the drawing from life, and would encourage you to draw from life as much as is possible. :)
Looking forward to seeing your next exercise!
Cheers, :)
~Rk
Sagii
02-27-2006, 03:26 AM
:D Thanks Rebeccak. It does make a huge difference drawing from life.. its like having a easy reference to where all the things are supposed to be :)
Rebeccak
03-01-2006, 09:59 PM
*bump*
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Sagii
03-04-2006, 12:21 AM
I am working on exercise 2 now.. it was hard to find time to read the chapter this week. but ill be posting what I have learned by the end of this weekend. :D
michael-olszak
03-16-2006, 04:14 PM
Im trying to get the book, then i'll join you guys.
see yah
see yah
LoTekK
03-16-2006, 04:43 PM
Woohoo! Go Ines! :buttrock:
Lunarsea
03-17-2006, 03:19 PM
Um, I hope you guys don't mind, but I have a question about the "vase/faces" excercise at the beginning of Chapter 4, and I apologise if it's a stupid one.:sad:
In the text it says: "1. Copy the patteren (either Figure 4-2 or 4-3). If you are right-handed, copy the profile onto the left side of the paper facing toward the center. If you are left-handed, draw the profile on the right side facing toward the center. Examples are shown of both the right-handed and left-handed drawings."
But both Figure 4-2 and Figure 4-3 look exactly the same, yet you're supposed to copy one depending on what you hand preference is. Is there some thing wrong there or am I just being dim? :rolleyes:
Thanks guys,
Lunarsea. :)
In the text it says: "1. Copy the patteren (either Figure 4-2 or 4-3). If you are right-handed, copy the profile onto the left side of the paper facing toward the center. If you are left-handed, draw the profile on the right side facing toward the center. Examples are shown of both the right-handed and left-handed drawings."
But both Figure 4-2 and Figure 4-3 look exactly the same, yet you're supposed to copy one depending on what you hand preference is. Is there some thing wrong there or am I just being dim? :rolleyes:
Thanks guys,
Lunarsea. :)
Rebeccak
03-17-2006, 03:25 PM
Heya Lunarsea, :)
See this article for a better explanation:
http://kyky.essortment.com/amirightbrain_opr.htm
What does it mean to be right-brained?
This means that the right side of your brain is your dominant side. Usually this is the case with most left-handed people. Normally the dominant hand is what denotes this. In most cases, a left-handed person is right-brained and a right-handed person is left-brained. This is not always the case, though.
The exercise is something of a 'brain trick' ~ it's to see how difficult it is for you to draw the image, depending on whether you are right or left brained. The images are the same, but reversed, so the exercise is meant to show you whether you are right or left brain dominant.
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
See this article for a better explanation:
http://kyky.essortment.com/amirightbrain_opr.htm
What does it mean to be right-brained?
This means that the right side of your brain is your dominant side. Usually this is the case with most left-handed people. Normally the dominant hand is what denotes this. In most cases, a left-handed person is right-brained and a right-handed person is left-brained. This is not always the case, though.
The exercise is something of a 'brain trick' ~ it's to see how difficult it is for you to draw the image, depending on whether you are right or left brained. The images are the same, but reversed, so the exercise is meant to show you whether you are right or left brain dominant.
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Lunarsea
03-17-2006, 03:41 PM
Ah-ha!
Thank you, Rebeccak. I understand so much better now. :D
I might try to contribute to this thread with some work that I've already done with the book if I get a chance. It'll be tricky, but I will if I can.
Lunarsea.
Thank you, Rebeccak. I understand so much better now. :D
I might try to contribute to this thread with some work that I've already done with the book if I get a chance. It'll be tricky, but I will if I can.
Lunarsea.
fallofmart
03-23-2006, 03:29 PM
Hello, I was looking at grabbing this book anyway and was wondering if it would be ok to join this thread and work through the exercises or am I way too late?
Rebeccak
03-23-2006, 03:35 PM
Lunarsea,
Sounds good! ;)
fallofmart,
You are more than welcome to join in this thread, and work through the Exercises here. :) I am happy to provide some feedback, and I look forward to seeing your work. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Sounds good! ;)
fallofmart,
You are more than welcome to join in this thread, and work through the Exercises here. :) I am happy to provide some feedback, and I look forward to seeing your work. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
fallofmart
03-23-2006, 04:00 PM
Thanks, I have ordered the book. :D
Sorandal
04-04-2006, 02:25 AM
I checked this book out from the library, mind if I join in as well?
Rebeccak
04-04-2006, 02:26 AM
Sorandal,
You're more than welcome to join here. :) This thread is a bit past it's prime, but it will always remain open for those who wish to post their exercises here. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
You're more than welcome to join here. :) This thread is a bit past it's prime, but it will always remain open for those who wish to post their exercises here. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
LEGC
04-05-2006, 06:35 PM
hi
I know that I'm super late but I bought
Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and the Workbook in Amazon, so it will arrive in maybe 10 days. I hope that everyone help me improve my skills.
Thanks
I know that I'm super late but I bought
Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and the Workbook in Amazon, so it will arrive in maybe 10 days. I hope that everyone help me improve my skills.
Thanks
Rebeccak
04-05-2006, 08:12 PM
LEGC,
No problem, welcome aboard! This thread will remain open indefinitely, as I think a lot of people will likely to continue to benefit from it being open. :)
Looking forward to your posts!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
No problem, welcome aboard! This thread will remain open indefinitely, as I think a lot of people will likely to continue to benefit from it being open. :)
Looking forward to your posts!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Kami Z
04-13-2006, 10:08 PM
I am back~
I found the book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" at our school library yesterday (didn't know we had an art section in the library and was more amazed by the fact that we have this book =P ). I just started on it, it's a great book with lots of helpful imformations. I am currently on Chapter 4 trying to experience the "shift" @_@. The book is kind of confusing though,and I think I am lost for I don't really understand that shift thing.
Can someone please give me a little guidence on using this book. thanks.
Edit:
man... the more I read this book the more confused I get. that visuallizing L and R thing... what does that have to do with anything? @_@ and the experiencing the shift. >_< ahhh i am too confused!!! Maybe some people can't shift...
Please help me T__T
I found the book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" at our school library yesterday (didn't know we had an art section in the library and was more amazed by the fact that we have this book =P ). I just started on it, it's a great book with lots of helpful imformations. I am currently on Chapter 4 trying to experience the "shift" @_@. The book is kind of confusing though,and I think I am lost for I don't really understand that shift thing.
Can someone please give me a little guidence on using this book. thanks.
Edit:
man... the more I read this book the more confused I get. that visuallizing L and R thing... what does that have to do with anything? @_@ and the experiencing the shift. >_< ahhh i am too confused!!! Maybe some people can't shift...
Please help me T__T
Sorandal
04-16-2006, 11:48 PM
Here are my first few exercises, I've been away for a while because of school and because I don't have a scanner, so I'll have to post these exercises in lumps when I can beg people to let me use scanners;)
Most of these exercises were a lot of fun, but the upside-down drawing was frustraiting because I'm not used to drawing without reference lines. Did I understand right that we are not supposed to use reference lines? My scale is way off, I think I am an exeption to her rule that people draw better upside down. anyway here are the drawings:
Exercise 1:
Chair and hand
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Sorandal/Chairhand.jpg
Referenced face, not my face
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Sorandal/Motherface.jpg
Face from memory
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Sorandal/Haileyfrommemory.jpg
Vase Exercise:
Face 1
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Sorandal/face1.jpg
Monster Face:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Sorandal/vase2.jpg
Upsidedown drawing:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Sorandal/Upsidedown1.jpg
Most of these exercises were a lot of fun, but the upside-down drawing was frustraiting because I'm not used to drawing without reference lines. Did I understand right that we are not supposed to use reference lines? My scale is way off, I think I am an exeption to her rule that people draw better upside down. anyway here are the drawings:
Exercise 1:
Chair and hand
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Sorandal/Chairhand.jpg
Referenced face, not my face
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Sorandal/Motherface.jpg
Face from memory
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Sorandal/Haileyfrommemory.jpg
Vase Exercise:
Face 1
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Sorandal/face1.jpg
Monster Face:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Sorandal/vase2.jpg
Upsidedown drawing:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b397/Sorandal/Upsidedown1.jpg
ricma
04-19-2006, 05:31 PM
Hi everybody,
I saw this thread a few days ago, and have been lurking since then.
I managed to get the video based on this book, watched it and decided to give it a try.
So, here is what I have done so far:
1. Pre-instructions Self portrait
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8851/me18bx.th.jpg (http://img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=me18bx.jpg)
2. Face-Vase drawing
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/3716/facevase0zg.th.jpg (http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=facevase0zg.jpg)
3. Upsidedown drawing
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/8679/upsidedown4as.th.jpg (http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=upsidedown4as.jpg)
4. Hand drawings (edges on the viewfinder used on these...)
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/9445/hand15rv.th.jpg (http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hand15rv.jpg)
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/2449/hand24tb.th.jpg (http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hand24tb.jpg)
5. Negative spaces drawing (not very happy with this one)
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/8350/chair3ox.th.jpg (http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chair3ox.jpg)
6. Perspective (I managed to spill drink over this drawing, thats why it has all these spots)
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/1094/persp3so.th.jpg (http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=persp3so.jpg)
I`m going to try to do a profile portrait as soon as I get my cousin to sit still for a few hours.
7. Profile portrait (did I chop of the head? Does his ear look too big?)
I will have to practice a lot more to see things right. This portrait does have some similarities to the model, but it`s not exactly alike.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2298/profile2ws.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=profile2ws.jpg)http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8370/profile0kq.th.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=profile0kq.jpg)
8. Light/shadows - Self portrait
Well, this drawing turned out pretty well. I can`t say that this is exactly what I look like, but hey, I am super satisfied for the first attempt!! I sat in front of the mirror, didn`t have all the equipment like proportion finder/angle finder, so I mostly used my pencil for sighting...
Oh, and some finer gradients are lost in this scan...
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3104/portarit20fg.th.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=portarit20fg.jpg)
Take care!
I saw this thread a few days ago, and have been lurking since then.
I managed to get the video based on this book, watched it and decided to give it a try.
So, here is what I have done so far:
1. Pre-instructions Self portrait
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/8851/me18bx.th.jpg (http://img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=me18bx.jpg)
2. Face-Vase drawing
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/3716/facevase0zg.th.jpg (http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=facevase0zg.jpg)
3. Upsidedown drawing
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/8679/upsidedown4as.th.jpg (http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=upsidedown4as.jpg)
4. Hand drawings (edges on the viewfinder used on these...)
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/9445/hand15rv.th.jpg (http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hand15rv.jpg)
http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/2449/hand24tb.th.jpg (http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hand24tb.jpg)
5. Negative spaces drawing (not very happy with this one)
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/8350/chair3ox.th.jpg (http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chair3ox.jpg)
6. Perspective (I managed to spill drink over this drawing, thats why it has all these spots)
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/1094/persp3so.th.jpg (http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=persp3so.jpg)
I`m going to try to do a profile portrait as soon as I get my cousin to sit still for a few hours.
7. Profile portrait (did I chop of the head? Does his ear look too big?)
I will have to practice a lot more to see things right. This portrait does have some similarities to the model, but it`s not exactly alike.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2298/profile2ws.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=profile2ws.jpg)http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8370/profile0kq.th.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=profile0kq.jpg)
8. Light/shadows - Self portrait
Well, this drawing turned out pretty well. I can`t say that this is exactly what I look like, but hey, I am super satisfied for the first attempt!! I sat in front of the mirror, didn`t have all the equipment like proportion finder/angle finder, so I mostly used my pencil for sighting...
Oh, and some finer gradients are lost in this scan...
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3104/portarit20fg.th.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=portarit20fg.jpg)
Take care!
LEGC
04-20-2006, 07:03 AM
Hi,
Finally, I received the book. These are the drawings of the first exercise: the first drawing is me, the second one is my father (from my memory) and the last one is my hand.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/leningarcia/Scan0001.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/leningarcia/Scan0002.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/leningarcia/Scan0003.jpg
Thank you for the opportunity. Any comment is welcome.
Finally, I received the book. These are the drawings of the first exercise: the first drawing is me, the second one is my father (from my memory) and the last one is my hand.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/leningarcia/Scan0001.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/leningarcia/Scan0002.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/leningarcia/Scan0003.jpg
Thank you for the opportunity. Any comment is welcome.
LEGC
04-24-2006, 05:19 AM
Sorry my english
This is my Face Vase, done in 5 minutes
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/leningarcia/Face-Vase.jpg
The areas that offers me the biggest problem were the beggining of the forehead and the end at the bottom. this is my second attempt to draw the face, because I erase the first attempt of create the second face. I welcome any crtitic Thank You
This is my Face Vase, done in 5 minutes
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/leningarcia/Face-Vase.jpg
The areas that offers me the biggest problem were the beggining of the forehead and the end at the bottom. this is my second attempt to draw the face, because I erase the first attempt of create the second face. I welcome any crtitic Thank You
Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 05:24 AM
Hi everyone,
It's good to see new people finding this thread! :)
This is primarily a thread now for everyone to give each other comments, feedback, and constructive criticism. I check in every so often, but the main purpose for this thread is for participants to support one another. :)
Sorandal, ricma, and LEGC, it's great to see your work and I hope to see everyone work through the entire book ~ it's definitey beneficial!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
It's good to see new people finding this thread! :)
This is primarily a thread now for everyone to give each other comments, feedback, and constructive criticism. I check in every so often, but the main purpose for this thread is for participants to support one another. :)
Sorandal, ricma, and LEGC, it's great to see your work and I hope to see everyone work through the entire book ~ it's definitey beneficial!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
LEGC
04-24-2006, 02:49 PM
Thanx, Rebeccak
This book is great, I hope to improve my ability during the use of the book.
This book is great, I hope to improve my ability during the use of the book.
Rebeccak
04-24-2006, 02:52 PM
LEGC,
No problem! :)
I would also encourage you and others working in this Workshop to check out:
Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229
as well as:
SPOTLIGHT: Best of Beginner's Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349232)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349232
Some really inspiring work there!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
No problem! :)
I would also encourage you and others working in this Workshop to check out:
Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229
as well as:
SPOTLIGHT: Best of Beginner's Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349232)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=349232
Some really inspiring work there!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
ricma
04-26-2006, 08:13 PM
Thank you Rebeccak,
these first steps I made in the field of drwaing were quite exciting for me. I am pretty far away from the level of drawing skills I want to have, but drawing an actual face for me was (and still is) very rewarding :bounce:
Anyway, I`m looking forward to seeing other people progress here in this thread, and joining many of your great beginers workshops here at cgtalk.
Here is a little something I did yeaterday...
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5161/portait36xg.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=portait36xg.jpg)
I used a photo reference (someone posted it here on cgtalk), and it didn`t turn out quite right...i know i know, I really should pay a lot more attention to proportions/angles...
these first steps I made in the field of drwaing were quite exciting for me. I am pretty far away from the level of drawing skills I want to have, but drawing an actual face for me was (and still is) very rewarding :bounce:
Anyway, I`m looking forward to seeing other people progress here in this thread, and joining many of your great beginers workshops here at cgtalk.
Here is a little something I did yeaterday...
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5161/portait36xg.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=portait36xg.jpg)
I used a photo reference (someone posted it here on cgtalk), and it didn`t turn out quite right...i know i know, I really should pay a lot more attention to proportions/angles...
Rebeccak
04-26-2006, 10:47 PM
ricma,
This is a very nicely executed drawing, and shows you have a lot of skill! You know a book I think you might also like is this:
The Artist's Complete Guide to Figure Drawing: A Contemporary Perspective on the Classical Tradition (Paperback), by Anthony Ryder (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823003035/sr=8-1/qid=1146087998/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-8991821-0763011?%5Fencoding=UTF8)
Ryder's work is beautiful, and very inspiring! He also offers a very simple method of drawing and refining a drawing which you might quite like.
Looking forward to seeing more of your work! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
This is a very nicely executed drawing, and shows you have a lot of skill! You know a book I think you might also like is this:
The Artist's Complete Guide to Figure Drawing: A Contemporary Perspective on the Classical Tradition (Paperback), by Anthony Ryder (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0823003035/sr=8-1/qid=1146087998/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-8991821-0763011?%5Fencoding=UTF8)
Ryder's work is beautiful, and very inspiring! He also offers a very simple method of drawing and refining a drawing which you might quite like.
Looking forward to seeing more of your work! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
ricma
04-27-2006, 12:50 PM
Rebeccak,
thank you soooo much!
Your kind words are a huge motivation boost :)
I checked out that book you mentioned, wow, it seems to be a very good one. I`ll have too see whether our local library has it (which I doubt), but I`ll surely order it asap.
I`ve just started reading "Successful Drawing" by Andrew Loomis.
thank you soooo much!
Your kind words are a huge motivation boost :)
I checked out that book you mentioned, wow, it seems to be a very good one. I`ll have too see whether our local library has it (which I doubt), but I`ll surely order it asap.
I`ve just started reading "Successful Drawing" by Andrew Loomis.
Rebeccak
04-27-2006, 08:15 PM
ricma,
You're welcome! :) It's always nice to see motivated artists here on the forum. I hope you find the Ryder book really useful!
You should take a peek at Lyneran's Anatomy Thread:
Anatomy Thread of Lyneran (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=303591)
She has some wonderful Loomis studies there, and has made amazing progress!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
You're welcome! :) It's always nice to see motivated artists here on the forum. I hope you find the Ryder book really useful!
You should take a peek at Lyneran's Anatomy Thread:
Anatomy Thread of Lyneran (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=303591)
She has some wonderful Loomis studies there, and has made amazing progress!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
normanfreak
05-19-2006, 03:55 PM
hi!
here are some of my drawings from the lessons of "drawing on the right....".
http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/thumbs/hand_small.jpg (http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/hand.jpg) http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/thumbs/self_small.jpg (http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/self.jpg)
http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/thumbs/german rider_small.jpg (http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/german rider.jpg) http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/thumbs/stravinsky_small.jpg (http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/stravinsky.jpg)
the last two were drawn upside down....both have some small proportion issues...but they turned out way better than i expected...(i never drew before)
most pictures after these seem much worse....but maybe i'm just expecting too much too fast..
here are some of my drawings from the lessons of "drawing on the right....".
http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/thumbs/hand_small.jpg (http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/hand.jpg) http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/thumbs/self_small.jpg (http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/self.jpg)
http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/thumbs/german rider_small.jpg (http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/german rider.jpg) http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/thumbs/stravinsky_small.jpg (http://www.normanfreak.de/files/art/stravinsky.jpg)
the last two were drawn upside down....both have some small proportion issues...but they turned out way better than i expected...(i never drew before)
most pictures after these seem much worse....but maybe i'm just expecting too much too fast..
Rebeccak
05-19-2006, 08:17 PM
normanfreak,
It's great to see your drawings! :) Don't worry, drawing takes just years of practice ~ you won't always see immediate results. Be patient, and enjoy the exercises as you go along. Looking forward to your updates! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
It's great to see your drawings! :) Don't worry, drawing takes just years of practice ~ you won't always see immediate results. Be patient, and enjoy the exercises as you go along. Looking forward to your updates! :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
derekserra
05-25-2006, 03:24 PM
I came across this thread last week and decided to try it out. I've finished the first two exercises:
Self-Portrait
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5016/1455/1600/selfPortrait_May23_06.jpg
Vase/Faces
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5016/1455/1600/vaseFaces_May23_06.jpg
From the self-portrait, I can see that I need to learn quite a bit. :)
The vase/faces image was an exercise I had to do twice. I didn't get the 'confusion' that the author was referring to the first time. When I did it again, I got to the lips and stopped. I had to just look at the other side and copy the shape. Well, I didn't copy it well, but I did understand the point the author was trying to make.
I'm VERY left brained. I've always enjoyed math and logic, but I could never understand how to go about creating art. Learning to draw is a personal challenge I'm looking forward to. It will also prove a long-standing bet I've had with a friend that drawing is a skill, not an innate talent. <g>
I'll be creating the materials next, then move on to the next exercise. I'll also stay away from the lined paper.
Nerf
Learning to Draw (http://drawing502.blogspot.com/)
Self-Portrait
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5016/1455/1600/selfPortrait_May23_06.jpg
Vase/Faces
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5016/1455/1600/vaseFaces_May23_06.jpg
From the self-portrait, I can see that I need to learn quite a bit. :)
The vase/faces image was an exercise I had to do twice. I didn't get the 'confusion' that the author was referring to the first time. When I did it again, I got to the lips and stopped. I had to just look at the other side and copy the shape. Well, I didn't copy it well, but I did understand the point the author was trying to make.
I'm VERY left brained. I've always enjoyed math and logic, but I could never understand how to go about creating art. Learning to draw is a personal challenge I'm looking forward to. It will also prove a long-standing bet I've had with a friend that drawing is a skill, not an innate talent. <g>
I'll be creating the materials next, then move on to the next exercise. I'll also stay away from the lined paper.
Nerf
Learning to Draw (http://drawing502.blogspot.com/)
Rebeccak
05-25-2006, 05:17 PM
Hi Nerf,
Good to see your posts, and it was also interesting to read your blog on the subject. Looking forward to following your progress here. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Good to see your posts, and it was also interesting to read your blog on the subject. Looking forward to following your progress here. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
derekserra
05-25-2006, 07:30 PM
Thanks Rebecca.
I just finished reading the chapter on childhood drawings. I can't remember how I drew when I was really young, but I do remember some of the things I did when trying to achieve realism during my adolescence. It's a great chapter and I got a lot out of it.
I've also tried two different upside-down pictures, but haven't finished either one. The first one was the Picasso on page 58. I did about 25% of it and realized that my lines were not even close to being correct. The second was the horse and rider on page 64. While doing that one, I realized that just looking a single line and trying to copy it wasn't good enough. I started looking at the shapes of negative space and angles between lines, which helped a lot. I did about 50% of it and it looks pretty good. There are minor discrepancies, but not enough to throw off the entire image.
I'm going to read the next chapter and then go back and finish the horse and rider image.
Thanks for all your doing, in this thread and the rest of the forum.
Nerf
Learning to Draw (http://drawing502.blogspot.com/)
I just finished reading the chapter on childhood drawings. I can't remember how I drew when I was really young, but I do remember some of the things I did when trying to achieve realism during my adolescence. It's a great chapter and I got a lot out of it.
I've also tried two different upside-down pictures, but haven't finished either one. The first one was the Picasso on page 58. I did about 25% of it and realized that my lines were not even close to being correct. The second was the horse and rider on page 64. While doing that one, I realized that just looking a single line and trying to copy it wasn't good enough. I started looking at the shapes of negative space and angles between lines, which helped a lot. I did about 50% of it and it looks pretty good. There are minor discrepancies, but not enough to throw off the entire image.
I'm going to read the next chapter and then go back and finish the horse and rider image.
Thanks for all your doing, in this thread and the rest of the forum.
Nerf
Learning to Draw (http://drawing502.blogspot.com/)
Rebeccak
05-26-2006, 12:30 AM
Nerf,
You're welcome! The upside down Picasso drawing is quite challenging, and don't worry if you have to attempt it a number of times. Keep going! The exercises are really useful and do pay off, as you have been finding. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
You're welcome! The upside down Picasso drawing is quite challenging, and don't worry if you have to attempt it a number of times. Keep going! The exercises are really useful and do pay off, as you have been finding. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
StrangeAngle
06-08-2006, 02:25 AM
In order this is what I have so far... I never got around to doing my self portrait on the first exercise. I had to stop at the first viewfinder exercise because I draw with my Intuos3 and I am not sure what I should do for that exercise.
StrangeAngle
06-08-2006, 02:27 AM
Here are the rest.
schdeffan
06-10-2006, 07:52 PM
Hello everyone,
I know I'm late but as I understand it, it's no problem to join even now.
Just something about me. I'm actually a programmer and I'm just starting doing some 3D as a hobby. At the moment I'm trying to model a head from reference in blender and fail big time. I came to the conclusion that I don't see correctly. I knew already having a good foundation in drawing helps your 3D skills alot. I never considered myself being good at drawing at all and my results always proved that. So I ordered the book just a day before finding this thread. Joining this thread will be good for my motivation and to get crits and hints of course.
Something interesting: I'm left handed but write with my right hand - not because my teachers forced me (I'm thirty, so I went to school at a time when writing with your left hand was already accepted) but because I wanted to do so. Looking back now I think the wish of not being different was the main reason for that choice, I would have been the only one in my class. I do almost everything else with my left hand, playing guitar, holding the billard cue etc. I use the computer mouse with my right hand, though… and I used to draw with my right hand… that'll become an interesting point soon.
This was all done today.
Selfportrait (not reflecting reality :) ) (right handed)
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/1.jpg
Person from memory (right handed)
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/2.jpg
I won't tell who this is supposed to be… wouldn't be too good for my health :D not recognisable at all… well, it could be human…
My left hand (right handed obviously)
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/3.jpg
After that reading on in the book Betty Edwards talks about left handed and right handed and the struggles of writing with the "wrong" hand. She suggests to try drawing with the other hand as well, so I drew my right hand:
My right hand (left handed)
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/4.jpg
I started with the thumb and you can see how I struggled at the beginning but it became easier with the time... I'd say proportion wise this is better than the other hand drawing.
One interseting thing I noticed was, that drawing with the right hand it was much harder to stop drawing a line even if I saw at once it would go in the wrong direction/have the wrong angle/curvature whatever. Once on the path I "had" to finish it against better knowledge. Drawing with the left I didn't have these problems at all.
At that point I still wasn't quite sure if I should draw left or right handed... but tended to go for the left hand…
Therefore I did the vase left handed:
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/5.jpg
That was really easy. Although I followed the instructions carefully no feeling of transition nor any sign of struggeling showed. I was a bit disappointed by that.
So I did it again with my right hand:
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/6.jpg
Now that was quite a shocking experience: First, it was slightly harder to get the shape right but it still went ok. After following the first line saying the words I started copying the shape to complete the vase. At the beginning it went very fluenty but when I was drawing the lower lip it just went out of control. You can see how I drew it too low first. So I had to stop there. From that point on, I wasn't able to continue drawing for at least 3 minutes! It was simply impossible. I looked at the lip and the chin and how it was formed put my pencil down… and couldn't move my hand… no kidding, I'm serious about that. I think I tried to continue drawing at least 10 times without being able to move my hand at all once the pencil touched the paper. I started laughing... then at some point I just concentrated on the curve that forms the chin and eventually could finish that thing. This was a fantastic experience… simply amazing… I just had paralysed myself with a simple drawing.
At that point I was sure to go on drawing with the left hand. So from now on, everything will be left handed.
So here's the topdown drawing:
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/7.jpg
I think I spoiled that a bit for me cause I read this thread before. So I had a clue about what I was drawing except for the legs. And I'm impressed by those... just as it is mentioned in the book.
From feeling I'd say it took ages. Hardest part was to keep my left hemisphere to shut up. I thought about everthing, writing this post, talking to my girlfriend, etc.. I listened to music but had to switch to strictly instrumental songs as I focused on the lyrics and sang along in my mind…
All in all I'm totally fascinated by the book and the approach. I'm really looking forward to the next steps… and need to keep patience. I'll do the horse drawing next.
So sorry for that huge post. But I had to write down my feelings about this.
Stephan
I know I'm late but as I understand it, it's no problem to join even now.
Just something about me. I'm actually a programmer and I'm just starting doing some 3D as a hobby. At the moment I'm trying to model a head from reference in blender and fail big time. I came to the conclusion that I don't see correctly. I knew already having a good foundation in drawing helps your 3D skills alot. I never considered myself being good at drawing at all and my results always proved that. So I ordered the book just a day before finding this thread. Joining this thread will be good for my motivation and to get crits and hints of course.
Something interesting: I'm left handed but write with my right hand - not because my teachers forced me (I'm thirty, so I went to school at a time when writing with your left hand was already accepted) but because I wanted to do so. Looking back now I think the wish of not being different was the main reason for that choice, I would have been the only one in my class. I do almost everything else with my left hand, playing guitar, holding the billard cue etc. I use the computer mouse with my right hand, though… and I used to draw with my right hand… that'll become an interesting point soon.
This was all done today.
Selfportrait (not reflecting reality :) ) (right handed)
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/1.jpg
Person from memory (right handed)
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/2.jpg
I won't tell who this is supposed to be… wouldn't be too good for my health :D not recognisable at all… well, it could be human…
My left hand (right handed obviously)
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/3.jpg
After that reading on in the book Betty Edwards talks about left handed and right handed and the struggles of writing with the "wrong" hand. She suggests to try drawing with the other hand as well, so I drew my right hand:
My right hand (left handed)
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/4.jpg
I started with the thumb and you can see how I struggled at the beginning but it became easier with the time... I'd say proportion wise this is better than the other hand drawing.
One interseting thing I noticed was, that drawing with the right hand it was much harder to stop drawing a line even if I saw at once it would go in the wrong direction/have the wrong angle/curvature whatever. Once on the path I "had" to finish it against better knowledge. Drawing with the left I didn't have these problems at all.
At that point I still wasn't quite sure if I should draw left or right handed... but tended to go for the left hand…
Therefore I did the vase left handed:
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/5.jpg
That was really easy. Although I followed the instructions carefully no feeling of transition nor any sign of struggeling showed. I was a bit disappointed by that.
So I did it again with my right hand:
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/6.jpg
Now that was quite a shocking experience: First, it was slightly harder to get the shape right but it still went ok. After following the first line saying the words I started copying the shape to complete the vase. At the beginning it went very fluenty but when I was drawing the lower lip it just went out of control. You can see how I drew it too low first. So I had to stop there. From that point on, I wasn't able to continue drawing for at least 3 minutes! It was simply impossible. I looked at the lip and the chin and how it was formed put my pencil down… and couldn't move my hand… no kidding, I'm serious about that. I think I tried to continue drawing at least 10 times without being able to move my hand at all once the pencil touched the paper. I started laughing... then at some point I just concentrated on the curve that forms the chin and eventually could finish that thing. This was a fantastic experience… simply amazing… I just had paralysed myself with a simple drawing.
At that point I was sure to go on drawing with the left hand. So from now on, everything will be left handed.
So here's the topdown drawing:
http://www.farbspender.de/Pics/BE/7.jpg
I think I spoiled that a bit for me cause I read this thread before. So I had a clue about what I was drawing except for the legs. And I'm impressed by those... just as it is mentioned in the book.
From feeling I'd say it took ages. Hardest part was to keep my left hemisphere to shut up. I thought about everthing, writing this post, talking to my girlfriend, etc.. I listened to music but had to switch to strictly instrumental songs as I focused on the lyrics and sang along in my mind…
All in all I'm totally fascinated by the book and the approach. I'm really looking forward to the next steps… and need to keep patience. I'll do the horse drawing next.
So sorry for that huge post. But I had to write down my feelings about this.
Stephan
lildragon
06-11-2006, 12:04 AM
You should take a peek at Lyneran's Anatomy Thread:
Anatomy Thread of Lyneran (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=303591)
She has some wonderful Loomis studies there, and has made amazing progress!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
I checked it out and you're right! Amazing work in there. I'm really enjoying this side of the forum as of late Rebecca!
Cheers!
Anatomy Thread of Lyneran (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=303591)
She has some wonderful Loomis studies there, and has made amazing progress!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
I checked it out and you're right! Amazing work in there. I'm really enjoying this side of the forum as of late Rebecca!
Cheers!
BadG3r
06-19-2006, 08:00 AM
First of all Hello everybody!
This workshop sounds great. I purchased the book today and when I'm back from the festival I'm gonna beginn with the first exercise righht away.
Maybe I can catch up - even over a year later ;)
Greetings
This workshop sounds great. I purchased the book today and when I'm back from the festival I'm gonna beginn with the first exercise righht away.
Maybe I can catch up - even over a year later ;)
Greetings
schdeffan
06-19-2006, 08:20 AM
Ah great, someone else. This thread seems to be a bit slow at the moment...
I advanced some steps further in the book... need to scan that stuff and post it here though.
Stephan
I advanced some steps further in the book... need to scan that stuff and post it here though.
Stephan
Rebeccak
06-20-2006, 07:54 AM
StrangeAngle,
Good to see these! Keep going, and continuing with the exercises. You may find it useful to come back to the beginning ones once you have completed the series. :)
schdeffan,
Hi there, it was quite interesting to read your thoughts! My apologies for a late reply, but this thread is more or less unmoderated ~ though I do try to check in from time to time, I think mainly it's a place to interact with other members and to keep oneself accountable to the exercises. Your work looks good so far and I would definitely encourage you to continue with the next chapters. Looking forward to seeing your results. :)
Tito,
I think you may have replied on the wrong thread :D nevertheless, it's great to see you have checked out Lyneran's thread! :)
BadG3r,
Hey there, welcome aboard! This thread is ongoing, so just start at the beginning, and post your exercises!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Good to see these! Keep going, and continuing with the exercises. You may find it useful to come back to the beginning ones once you have completed the series. :)
schdeffan,
Hi there, it was quite interesting to read your thoughts! My apologies for a late reply, but this thread is more or less unmoderated ~ though I do try to check in from time to time, I think mainly it's a place to interact with other members and to keep oneself accountable to the exercises. Your work looks good so far and I would definitely encourage you to continue with the next chapters. Looking forward to seeing your results. :)
Tito,
I think you may have replied on the wrong thread :D nevertheless, it's great to see you have checked out Lyneran's thread! :)
BadG3r,
Hey there, welcome aboard! This thread is ongoing, so just start at the beginning, and post your exercises!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
schdeffan
06-20-2006, 08:10 AM
Ah great, thanks for the reply, Rebeccak. Yeah I know the thread is unmoderated.
I went on in the book up to the chairs now and did some chairs (negative spaces), but I want to keep this slow and not rush through it. I will scan what I did and post it here. Unfortunately I don't have time to draw every day.
About my thoughts: I have to admit, I switched to right hand drawing again, drawing with the left hand was simply too laborious as I am not used to it at all.
Stephan
I went on in the book up to the chairs now and did some chairs (negative spaces), but I want to keep this slow and not rush through it. I will scan what I did and post it here. Unfortunately I don't have time to draw every day.
About my thoughts: I have to admit, I switched to right hand drawing again, drawing with the left hand was simply too laborious as I am not used to it at all.
Stephan
Rebeccak
06-20-2006, 08:27 AM
schdeffan,
LOL, I never would have thought about how confusing this might be for an ambidextrous person. I hope you don't draw yourself into a state of total paralysis as a result of Betty Edwards' exercises. :D Kidding, of course. ;) No problems about timing, feel free to post as you can. This thread will more or less continue indefinitely. I found the book invaluable when I read it (in it's first edition, lol) and it's cool to see how it's an enduring classic. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
LOL, I never would have thought about how confusing this might be for an ambidextrous person. I hope you don't draw yourself into a state of total paralysis as a result of Betty Edwards' exercises. :D Kidding, of course. ;) No problems about timing, feel free to post as you can. This thread will more or less continue indefinitely. I found the book invaluable when I read it (in it's first edition, lol) and it's cool to see how it's an enduring classic. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Boone
07-09-2006, 07:02 PM
Using the plotting-grid technique in the book, I decided to experiment by using Richard Hatch from Battlestar Galactica.
You can still just see where I had drawn the lines in. This was the result of three nights on-and-off work.
You can still just see where I had drawn the lines in. This was the result of three nights on-and-off work.
Rebeccak
07-10-2006, 08:30 AM
Boone,
I think you've done a really nice job with this drawing, and ought to join in the most recent Workshop:
Anatomy Lesson Series: Body Part 1 - The Head (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=375031&page=1&pp=15)
Additionally, you might wish to start your own Personal Anatomy Thread:
Personal Anatomy & Sketchbook Threads (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200)
See this thread for information about creating a personal Anatomy Thread first:
FAQ: Can I Create My Own Anatomy Thread? (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=341167)
Links to all Personal Anatomy Threads can be found here:
Anatomy Threads of Individual Users (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2817397&postcount=12)
I encourage you to look at other peoples' threads and to see what they're up to. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
I think you've done a really nice job with this drawing, and ought to join in the most recent Workshop:
Anatomy Lesson Series: Body Part 1 - The Head (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=375031&page=1&pp=15)
Additionally, you might wish to start your own Personal Anatomy Thread:
Personal Anatomy & Sketchbook Threads (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=200)
See this thread for information about creating a personal Anatomy Thread first:
FAQ: Can I Create My Own Anatomy Thread? (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=341167)
Links to all Personal Anatomy Threads can be found here:
Anatomy Threads of Individual Users (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2817397&postcount=12)
I encourage you to look at other peoples' threads and to see what they're up to. :)
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Boone
07-10-2006, 05:13 PM
Re: Rebeccak
Thanks! ^_^
The workshop for 50 heads is bit much for me at the moment(Uni work, full time job etc), but I shall definetly set up my own PA thread - thats definetly something I can do!
Once again, thank you.
Thanks! ^_^
The workshop for 50 heads is bit much for me at the moment(Uni work, full time job etc), but I shall definetly set up my own PA thread - thats definetly something I can do!
Once again, thank you.
pimpmeister
07-24-2006, 04:36 AM
Hi everybody! I've been eyeing this thread for too long, but just coulden't get myself started. So, it's about 6 AM and I just finished the first three drawings:
(edit) The second drawing is supposed to be my mother, I haven't seen her for about a month and wanted to draw her.
http://gallery.cafeabel.no/albums/Artistisk/aaf.jpg
http://gallery.cafeabel.no/albums/Artistisk/aag.jpg
http://gallery.cafeabel.no/albums/Artistisk/aah.jpg
(edit) The second drawing is supposed to be my mother, I haven't seen her for about a month and wanted to draw her.
http://gallery.cafeabel.no/albums/Artistisk/aaf.jpg
http://gallery.cafeabel.no/albums/Artistisk/aag.jpg
http://gallery.cafeabel.no/albums/Artistisk/aah.jpg
Boone
07-25-2006, 07:44 PM
Re: Pimpmiester.
Not bad try. My advice( as a fellow begineer, of course ) is to carry on with the exercises in the book. Section 4: Crossing Over, in my opinion, is the biggest turning point for you - though you may not think it. You'll do just fine if you keep it up.
Not bad try. My advice( as a fellow begineer, of course ) is to carry on with the exercises in the book. Section 4: Crossing Over, in my opinion, is the biggest turning point for you - though you may not think it. You'll do just fine if you keep it up.
Rebeccak
07-26-2006, 01:06 AM
pimpmeister,
Welcome to CGTalk and to the Anatomy Forum! :) I hope to see your progress here!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
Welcome to CGTalk and to the Anatomy Forum! :) I hope to see your progress here!
Cheers, :)
~Rebeccak
pimpmeister
07-26-2006, 03:55 PM
Boone - Yeah, but I will most likely post the exercises as I finish them (I feel less confused that way).
Rebecca - Thanks, great to be here.
This was a little difficult. After drawing the left profile like Bettys instruction said, I tried to do the same with the right profile. It seemed almost impossible so I tried to split it up in sections, watching the left profile and marking where the bumps occured I managed to recreate it.
http://gallery.cafeabel.no/albums/Artistisk/aai.jpg
(edit) Wow, this drawing came out a little wrong, but much better than I thought it would
http://gallery.cafeabel.no/albums/Artistisk/aaj.jpg
Rebecca - Thanks, great to be here.
This was a little difficult. After drawing the left profile like Bettys instruction said, I tried to do the same with the right profile. It seemed almost impossible so I tried to split it up in sections, watching the left profile and marking where the bumps occured I managed to recreate it.
http://gallery.cafeabel.no/albums/Artistisk/aai.jpg
(edit) Wow, this drawing came out a little wrong, but much better than I thought it would
http://gallery.cafeabel.no/albums/Artistisk/aaj.jpg
nomadicrain
08-02-2006, 10:15 PM
Well...I just got the book a few days ago and decided to have a go of it here on the forum. Hopefully I see massive improvement in my drawing ability. :)
Self Portrait/Hand/Memory Drawing
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8103/selfportraitxh2.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=selfportraitxh2.jpg) Here is me in all my glory...lol
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4596/handki5.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handki5.jpg) This is my hand holding my sketch pad...looks a bit deformed to me.
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/429/memoryuv2.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=memoryuv2.jpg)This is supposed to be my 3 year old son...didn't quite get there with it...LOL
Faces/Vases
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2231/facesvasesba8.th.jpg (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=facesvasesba8.jpg)
I had to stop thinking about the drawing and the parts of the face, I concentrated on mimicing the line and this was what I got.
Best Pre-Instruction Drawing
This is my best drawing before doing any of the book. It is supposed to be Tom Welling on the Season 4 Smallville DVD Box cover.
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8126/tomwellingpreinstructionzq5.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tomwellingpreinstructionzq5.jpg)
Upside Down Picasso Drawing
I was totally amazed at how this one turned out. Until I hit the face and started recognizing what the lines were, then things got a bit weird.
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/675/upsidedownpicassoja4.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=upsidedownpicassoja4.jpg)
Self Portrait/Hand/Memory Drawing
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8103/selfportraitxh2.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=selfportraitxh2.jpg) Here is me in all my glory...lol
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4596/handki5.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=handki5.jpg) This is my hand holding my sketch pad...looks a bit deformed to me.
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/429/memoryuv2.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=memoryuv2.jpg)This is supposed to be my 3 year old son...didn't quite get there with it...LOL
Faces/Vases
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2231/facesvasesba8.th.jpg (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=facesvasesba8.jpg)
I had to stop thinking about the drawing and the parts of the face, I concentrated on mimicing the line and this was what I got.
Best Pre-Instruction Drawing
This is my best drawing before doing any of the book. It is supposed to be Tom Welling on the Season 4 Smallville DVD Box cover.
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8126/tomwellingpreinstructionzq5.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tomwellingpreinstructionzq5.jpg)
Upside Down Picasso Drawing
I was totally amazed at how this one turned out. Until I hit the face and started recognizing what the lines were, then things got a bit weird.
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/675/upsidedownpicassoja4.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=upsidedownpicassoja4.jpg)
csutcliffe
08-13-2006, 07:40 PM
Hi All,
I've joined this thread in the hope that I can improve my drawing skills. I've been involved with 3d modelling & texturing for about 2-3 years and I'm currently at a brick wall. I feel that I need to take some time out to try and improve my drawing skills. Where possible, I've decided to use my wacom, which has been gathering dust for about 2 years, as I actually prefer using it to pencil & paper. I would however like to hear opinions on whether or not it's viable to learn to draw using digital media only.
Anyhow, here are the exercises from the first 4 chapters, all, except the self portrait, where done using a wacom in Photoshop.
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n291/csutcliffe/selfportrait.jpg
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n291/csutcliffe/personfrommemory.jpg
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n291/csutcliffe/hand.jpg
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n291/csutcliffe/vaseor2faces.jpg
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n291/csutcliffe/upsidedown.jpg
I've joined this thread in the hope that I can improve my drawing skills. I've been involved with 3d modelling & texturing for about 2-3 years and I'm currently at a brick wall. I feel that I need to take some time out to try and improve my drawing skills. Where possible, I've decided to use my wacom, which has been gathering dust for about 2 years, as I actually prefer using it to pencil & paper. I would however like to hear opinions on whether or not it's viable to learn to draw using digital media only.
Anyhow, here are the exercises from the first 4 chapters, all, except the self portrait, where done using a wacom in Photoshop.
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n291/csutcliffe/selfportrait.jpg
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n291/csutcliffe/personfrommemory.jpg
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n291/csutcliffe/hand.jpg
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n291/csutcliffe/vaseor2faces.jpg
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n291/csutcliffe/upsidedown.jpg
Gorned
12-15-2006, 10:21 AM
Hi out there,
I just stumbled into this thread and am horrified that i doesn't joined a year ago.
Is this thread active anyway and may i post my Drawings here?
Is Rebeccak still there, to hold a newb's hand?
Greetz,
Gorned
I just stumbled into this thread and am horrified that i doesn't joined a year ago.
Is this thread active anyway and may i post my Drawings here?
Is Rebeccak still there, to hold a newb's hand?
Greetz,
Gorned
deco-3d
12-17-2006, 12:42 AM
I also just found this thread and am already a few chapters into the book as I've been reading it on my own.
I'll go ahead and post what I have so far, who knows maybe we can make it active again.
Abby
I'll go ahead and post what I have so far, who knows maybe we can make it active again.
Abby
deco-3d
12-17-2006, 01:45 AM
Oops, I think my first post was sacrificed to the validation Gods, so trying again...
I also just found this forum and would love to do the exercises with anyone else who may be interested. I'm already a few chapters in so am posting my first 4 exercises here.
Exercise 1:
As I'm sure is blindingly obvious, I've never done any drawing before. I really see what she means about the symbols, freaky.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter2-Pre-InstructionSelfPortrai.jpg
Exercise 2:
I had a really hard time with this, as is evidenced by all the erased-but still visible-lines. I didn't actually succeed at finding a way around the problem.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter4-VaseDrawing.jpg
Exercise 3:
The first part of this exercise -- the pure contour drawing -- was SO frustrating that I put down the book and stopped reading it for, well, I'm embarassed to admit how long I put it down for. But, it all felt very helpless. I finally picked it up again and am not sure I understand why I was quite so miffed by the exercise the first time, but, I still had to do it 3 times to get what I think she was aiming for...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter6-PureContourDrawing.jpg
Exercise 4:
This exercise was very frustrating as it took me several hours to do. But, it is the first exercise that clicked for me so perhaps there might be hope for me after all...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter6-ModifiedContourDrawingofHa.jpg
That's as far as I've gotten through the book so far. I have done a few more samples for practice so am thinking about starting my own sketch thread with this and more.
If there is more interest in this thread - Gorned, would love to see your work as well, I know I'm a bit ahead but maybe we can do this together - then I'll post my future exercises here as well. Looking forward to comments and critiques.
Thanks!
Abby
I also just found this forum and would love to do the exercises with anyone else who may be interested. I'm already a few chapters in so am posting my first 4 exercises here.
Exercise 1:
As I'm sure is blindingly obvious, I've never done any drawing before. I really see what she means about the symbols, freaky.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter2-Pre-InstructionSelfPortrai.jpg
Exercise 2:
I had a really hard time with this, as is evidenced by all the erased-but still visible-lines. I didn't actually succeed at finding a way around the problem.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter4-VaseDrawing.jpg
Exercise 3:
The first part of this exercise -- the pure contour drawing -- was SO frustrating that I put down the book and stopped reading it for, well, I'm embarassed to admit how long I put it down for. But, it all felt very helpless. I finally picked it up again and am not sure I understand why I was quite so miffed by the exercise the first time, but, I still had to do it 3 times to get what I think she was aiming for...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter6-PureContourDrawing.jpg
Exercise 4:
This exercise was very frustrating as it took me several hours to do. But, it is the first exercise that clicked for me so perhaps there might be hope for me after all...
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter6-ModifiedContourDrawingofHa.jpg
That's as far as I've gotten through the book so far. I have done a few more samples for practice so am thinking about starting my own sketch thread with this and more.
If there is more interest in this thread - Gorned, would love to see your work as well, I know I'm a bit ahead but maybe we can do this together - then I'll post my future exercises here as well. Looking forward to comments and critiques.
Thanks!
Abby
Gorned
12-18-2006, 07:32 AM
I hope somebody else looks in this thread...
I got the book, well 4 month. And all i've done so far, is to look at the before after drawings..., till Yesterday. I'll put my Attempts in here, when i put my scanner to work.
Anyway. Your Hand looks pretty good. You seem to have the known problem with the vases/faces exercise. From my Point of view, i think you only have to try to change to the 'right' side... So the book in your hands should make your drawings better.
Sorry for my english, it's somewhat rusty, i think.
Greetz,
Gorned
I got the book, well 4 month. And all i've done so far, is to look at the before after drawings..., till Yesterday. I'll put my Attempts in here, when i put my scanner to work.
Anyway. Your Hand looks pretty good. You seem to have the known problem with the vases/faces exercise. From my Point of view, i think you only have to try to change to the 'right' side... So the book in your hands should make your drawings better.
Sorry for my english, it's somewhat rusty, i think.
Greetz,
Gorned
Rebeccak
12-18-2006, 01:58 PM
deco-3d and Gorned,
Please continue to post your work here, and / or to a Personal Sketchbook Thread. :) I won't really be critiquing these exercises, but I do check in to see how people are doing - please use this Workshop as a catalyst to post your updates and to see your progress!
Cheers,
-Rebeccak
Please continue to post your work here, and / or to a Personal Sketchbook Thread. :) I won't really be critiquing these exercises, but I do check in to see how people are doing - please use this Workshop as a catalyst to post your updates and to see your progress!
Cheers,
-Rebeccak
deco-3d
12-18-2006, 06:23 PM
Gorned,
Great! Am looking forward to seeing your postings. I think you're right, I'm having a really difficult time switching to R-Mode. I tried to do Exercise 4 last night and gave up after an hour and a half (yikes, is this pathetic??) - I get all caught up measuring spacing precisely and can't ever get into the actual drawing. But, I feel encouraged by my hand too - so, who knows. I'll try again and hopefully have something to post then.
Abby
Great! Am looking forward to seeing your postings. I think you're right, I'm having a really difficult time switching to R-Mode. I tried to do Exercise 4 last night and gave up after an hour and a half (yikes, is this pathetic??) - I get all caught up measuring spacing precisely and can't ever get into the actual drawing. But, I feel encouraged by my hand too - so, who knows. I'll try again and hopefully have something to post then.
Abby
Gorned
12-18-2006, 07:23 PM
First things first. @Rebecca thx for reply. I think you are very busy, i appreciate that.
@deco-3d
With Exercise 4 you mean the picasso thing? I want to do it today. Hopefully i'll get into the zone. But if not, it's just an exercise and i realy believe one could improve by trying.
By that i mean post your attempt, some nice words about it would make you go on, won't they?
So here we go. My Portrait is a bit cheated, cause i didn't do it from a mirror but from a sepia photograph.
http://www.projekt-solutions.de/portrait_own.jpg
http://www.projekt-solutions.de/memoryportrait.jpg
http://www.projekt-solutions.de/hand.jpg
http://www.projekt-solutions.de/Unbenannt.jpg
cu
@deco-3d
With Exercise 4 you mean the picasso thing? I want to do it today. Hopefully i'll get into the zone. But if not, it's just an exercise and i realy believe one could improve by trying.
By that i mean post your attempt, some nice words about it would make you go on, won't they?
So here we go. My Portrait is a bit cheated, cause i didn't do it from a mirror but from a sepia photograph.
http://www.projekt-solutions.de/portrait_own.jpg
http://www.projekt-solutions.de/memoryportrait.jpg
http://www.projekt-solutions.de/hand.jpg
http://www.projekt-solutions.de/Unbenannt.jpg
cu
deco-3d
12-18-2006, 11:09 PM
Gorned,
Wow, you went through those fast! Nice level of detail in the self portrait and hand. Have you done any drawing before?
I think I got the exercise numbers mixed up (I just edited my post above to correct). I actually meant Exerise 5 - the negative spaces. But, since you mention it, here is my Picasso:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter5-UpsideDownDrawing-ns.jpg
Wow, you went through those fast! Nice level of detail in the self portrait and hand. Have you done any drawing before?
I think I got the exercise numbers mixed up (I just edited my post above to correct). I actually meant Exerise 5 - the negative spaces. But, since you mention it, here is my Picasso:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter5-UpsideDownDrawing-ns.jpg
Gorned
12-19-2006, 11:01 AM
Abby,
Thx for the compliment. The hand isn't good, especially in comparisson with yours. But we're here to learn, aren't we?
I didn't do drawing before. My aim is to do 3d and hope drawing helps me to get the proportions right.
Your Picasso looks pretty close, only the hands seem not to fit. Did you draw from the outside to the inside? Or just follow line by line?
I'm impressed and eager to try it myself...
Did you have thougts about drawing this one upside up, just to verify that this exercise works?
David
Thx for the compliment. The hand isn't good, especially in comparisson with yours. But we're here to learn, aren't we?
I didn't do drawing before. My aim is to do 3d and hope drawing helps me to get the proportions right.
Your Picasso looks pretty close, only the hands seem not to fit. Did you draw from the outside to the inside? Or just follow line by line?
I'm impressed and eager to try it myself...
Did you have thougts about drawing this one upside up, just to verify that this exercise works?
David
deco-3d
12-20-2006, 04:33 AM
Gorned,
Oh no, I think you misunderstood - it is confusing because the exercises in this forum don't ask for every one that the book does, so I didn't post my pre-instruction hand - yours is MUCH better than mine was :)
The hand I posted was from the excercise in Chapter 6, I'm sure you will be happy with the one you do for that exercise if you like mine!
Thanks on the picasso. I started from the bottom and covered everything but the top 1" and copied that straight across. Then, I moved down to the next 1", and so on. I did not try it right-side up, but I did try some other things right-side up and they were awful, nothing as good as this!
Abby
Oh no, I think you misunderstood - it is confusing because the exercises in this forum don't ask for every one that the book does, so I didn't post my pre-instruction hand - yours is MUCH better than mine was :)
The hand I posted was from the excercise in Chapter 6, I'm sure you will be happy with the one you do for that exercise if you like mine!
Thanks on the picasso. I started from the bottom and covered everything but the top 1" and copied that straight across. Then, I moved down to the next 1", and so on. I did not try it right-side up, but I did try some other things right-side up and they were awful, nothing as good as this!
Abby
Gorned
12-22-2006, 09:42 AM
ups, i should've read first and then write.
Anyway, i think i'll post every done exercise from the book, just to see if i'm getting better or not..
Like everyone in the western hemisphere, i'm a bit busy before christmas. I haven't done any drawing lately. Hope i get something done till new years day.
What about your negative spaces exercise?
By the way, merry christmas,
David
Anyway, i think i'll post every done exercise from the book, just to see if i'm getting better or not..
Like everyone in the western hemisphere, i'm a bit busy before christmas. I haven't done any drawing lately. Hope i get something done till new years day.
What about your negative spaces exercise?
By the way, merry christmas,
David
deco-3d
12-23-2006, 12:32 AM
Exercise 5
Here it is - not too exciting. But, I think the first version I tried (a chair inside of a nook with some really cool, hard shadows) was just a bit much for me. So, I went back to simple and this came out better. (These exercises keep tricking me into thinking that I really know how to draw so everytime I start a new one I get a bit of a shock! ;) )
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter7-NegativeSpacesDrawing.jpg
I am also going to try copying the 2 pictures in the book, but figured I'd go ahead and post this now so you didn't think I'd given up!
Have a Merry Christmas!
Abby
Here it is - not too exciting. But, I think the first version I tried (a chair inside of a nook with some really cool, hard shadows) was just a bit much for me. So, I went back to simple and this came out better. (These exercises keep tricking me into thinking that I really know how to draw so everytime I start a new one I get a bit of a shock! ;) )
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter7-NegativeSpacesDrawing.jpg
I am also going to try copying the 2 pictures in the book, but figured I'd go ahead and post this now so you didn't think I'd given up!
Have a Merry Christmas!
Abby
deco-3d
12-24-2006, 04:23 AM
I tried to copy the other 2 drawings, but I fear the first (Child Seated in Wicker Chair) is just beyond my capabilities right now. I looked back in the forum but only saw one other person who had posted this (Hoixz in post #330 and s/he did an amazing job with it!). Am curious if other people found this beyond their capabilities, or if I've just failed to get something I should have out of the book thus far.
Anyway, I'll post what I was able to do. FWIW, I rather enjoyed drawing the chair itself and even found the girl's legs interesting. But after that, I was just at a loss. I tried upside down drawing the rest, but I think you need to be able to shade better than I can to distinguish all the lines from one another. So, I erased the horribleness and, well, here's what I had left...
Child Seated in a Wicker Chair, Homer (original (http://www.clarkart.edu/exhibitions/homer/ia/ts.cfm?ObjectID=25&KeywordID=0&FormName=KeywordSearch&Page=1&ViewAll=0))
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter7-NegativeSpacesDrawing-Chil.jpg
I think I'm pretty happy with the 2nd one. This seemed a much better exercise to practice negative spaces because I was able to draw almost all of the outline (at least for the legs and the right side of the arms) using negative spaces. Then, I just roughly filled in the details.
Studies of Arms and Legs, Ruben (Original (http://www.violetsky.net/old/ppr.html))
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter7-NegativeSpacesDrawing-Stud.jpg
Abby
Anyway, I'll post what I was able to do. FWIW, I rather enjoyed drawing the chair itself and even found the girl's legs interesting. But after that, I was just at a loss. I tried upside down drawing the rest, but I think you need to be able to shade better than I can to distinguish all the lines from one another. So, I erased the horribleness and, well, here's what I had left...
Child Seated in a Wicker Chair, Homer (original (http://www.clarkart.edu/exhibitions/homer/ia/ts.cfm?ObjectID=25&KeywordID=0&FormName=KeywordSearch&Page=1&ViewAll=0))
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter7-NegativeSpacesDrawing-Chil.jpg
I think I'm pretty happy with the 2nd one. This seemed a much better exercise to practice negative spaces because I was able to draw almost all of the outline (at least for the legs and the right side of the arms) using negative spaces. Then, I just roughly filled in the details.
Studies of Arms and Legs, Ruben (Original (http://www.violetsky.net/old/ppr.html))
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter7-NegativeSpacesDrawing-Stud.jpg
Abby
w0lf
12-29-2006, 02:24 AM
I never realised how important 2D knowledge is for a 3D artist until quite recently. I am feeling very down since i didnt have training on the traditional drawing. I think i'll stop 3d for a while and concentrate on 2d. Heading out to buy the book.
Thank you very much for the thread. This is as good a place as any to start.
Thank you very much for the thread. This is as good a place as any to start.
deco-3d
12-29-2006, 03:26 AM
w0lf, that's just what I'm doing as well - will be terrific to have more people, really looking forward to seeing your work! :)
Abby
Abby
deco-3d
12-29-2006, 03:23 PM
Chapter 8: Perspective
Below is my work for the sighting angles exercise in Chapter 8. This is the practice sighting (before we do a "real" perspective drawing) and was actually the one done with the aid of a picture plane. We were only supposed to do the lines where the ceiling and floor met the corner wall, but I was very interested in taking it further and before I knew it - voila, I had an entire corner done (also good practice on drawing straight lines and shading!).
I made a couple of very stupid mistakes while I was doing this - both turned into sort of "ah hah" moments that I think really helped me figure this out, so this was really helpful.
Sighting Angles (with aid of picture plane)
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter8-SightingAngles.jpg
I didn't do the whole thing in the picture plane, just the corner and then a couple lines where I had difficulty figuring them out (like the top of the closet). But, it was extremely helpful to me. Next up, to draw a corner without this aid, hmm...
Below is my work for the sighting angles exercise in Chapter 8. This is the practice sighting (before we do a "real" perspective drawing) and was actually the one done with the aid of a picture plane. We were only supposed to do the lines where the ceiling and floor met the corner wall, but I was very interested in taking it further and before I knew it - voila, I had an entire corner done (also good practice on drawing straight lines and shading!).
I made a couple of very stupid mistakes while I was doing this - both turned into sort of "ah hah" moments that I think really helped me figure this out, so this was really helpful.
Sighting Angles (with aid of picture plane)
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter8-SightingAngles.jpg
I didn't do the whole thing in the picture plane, just the corner and then a couple lines where I had difficulty figuring them out (like the top of the closet). But, it was extremely helpful to me. Next up, to draw a corner without this aid, hmm...
Gorned
12-30-2006, 08:27 PM
Hi there,
Sry for not posting in here. I was ashamed, because i didn't do exercises lately.
But no more excuses. A new year is about to begin, and i realy want to learn drawing that year.
I've just done the Picasso. But my Scanner's gone to hell and i won't get a new one till mid of january, so there will be no pictures of my Drawings till then.
@Wolf:
I'm looking forward to see your progress.
@Deco
First of all, your chair with the kid is pretty close. What you have so far is beautyful.
I like the Detail of your latest post. You go by a very fast pace and one can see your progress. Thx for Sharing.
Cu,
David
Sry for not posting in here. I was ashamed, because i didn't do exercises lately.
But no more excuses. A new year is about to begin, and i realy want to learn drawing that year.
I've just done the Picasso. But my Scanner's gone to hell and i won't get a new one till mid of january, so there will be no pictures of my Drawings till then.
@Wolf:
I'm looking forward to see your progress.
@Deco
First of all, your chair with the kid is pretty close. What you have so far is beautyful.
I like the Detail of your latest post. You go by a very fast pace and one can see your progress. Thx for Sharing.
Cu,
David
deco-3d
01-02-2007, 03:02 AM
Gorned, no problem at all - I'm trying to go a bit fast while I have time. I'm about to start getting our house ready for sale and so my time is going to drop pretty drastically pretty quickly - so, maybe some time for you guys to catch up since I started ahead. :)
Thank you so much for your kind words, they are really appreciated. It's funny, some of what I draw I go "wow! I can't believe I drew that" and then other stuff, well... it makes me realize I still have a ways to go. I think I'm at the point though where I can actually depict things decently, it just takes a lot of time. Below is my real perspective drawing... aieee, this took many many hours - maybe 7 or 8?? Isn't that crazy? I look at it and go "how could that take so long?" I have no idea. But, well, here it is... :)
Chapter 8: Real Perspective Drawing
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter8-PerpectiveDrawing.jpg
Happy New Year, guys! :)
Abby
Thank you so much for your kind words, they are really appreciated. It's funny, some of what I draw I go "wow! I can't believe I drew that" and then other stuff, well... it makes me realize I still have a ways to go. I think I'm at the point though where I can actually depict things decently, it just takes a lot of time. Below is my real perspective drawing... aieee, this took many many hours - maybe 7 or 8?? Isn't that crazy? I look at it and go "how could that take so long?" I have no idea. But, well, here it is... :)
Chapter 8: Real Perspective Drawing
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter8-PerpectiveDrawing.jpg
Happy New Year, guys! :)
Abby
Gorned
01-02-2007, 08:09 AM
Deco,
7 to 8 hours? Puh. But the result rocks... Did you recognize the time passing? If not, i think you were in the right state of mind, and drawing fullfills you. That's excellent isn't it?
Nice room by the way.
Hope i'm going to draw the negative Spaces today.
The pure Contour Drawing wasn't my exercise realy. Perhaps i shouldn't judge the result so much, since it's a training for mind i think.
Happy new year,
David
7 to 8 hours? Puh. But the result rocks... Did you recognize the time passing? If not, i think you were in the right state of mind, and drawing fullfills you. That's excellent isn't it?
Nice room by the way.
Hope i'm going to draw the negative Spaces today.
The pure Contour Drawing wasn't my exercise realy. Perhaps i shouldn't judge the result so much, since it's a training for mind i think.
Happy new year,
David
deco-3d
01-08-2007, 03:48 AM
Gorned, don't give up! I think I posted earlier, that contour drawing drove me so mad that I put the book down for a very long time! Wish I hadn't. I think there's something about this book that drags you kicking and screaming outside of your comfort zone, I have to admit I rather dread most of the exercises! :argh: But, I've been augmenting them with my own, that I enjoy more - and, well, I'm seeing such improvement that it's totally worth it!
Course, now we're in full swing getting the house ready for sale - so much work to do, may not be able to do much for a while, but will keep trying to at least practice a little each week and keep watching here. Looking forward to seeing your stuff! :)
Also, w0lf - were you able to get the book?
As for the 7 or 8 hours, I did the drawing in chunks, so I'd draw an hour or two and then take a break. For most of the time I was drawing, I didn't notice the time pass. But, I notice if I go too much longer than 1-2 hours then I start to get inpatient and then I stop enjoying myself and start getting sloppy! I think that happened about half way through this - need to find a way to work faster.
Abby
Course, now we're in full swing getting the house ready for sale - so much work to do, may not be able to do much for a while, but will keep trying to at least practice a little each week and keep watching here. Looking forward to seeing your stuff! :)
Also, w0lf - were you able to get the book?
As for the 7 or 8 hours, I did the drawing in chunks, so I'd draw an hour or two and then take a break. For most of the time I was drawing, I didn't notice the time pass. But, I notice if I go too much longer than 1-2 hours then I start to get inpatient and then I stop enjoying myself and start getting sloppy! I think that happened about half way through this - need to find a way to work faster.
Abby
Asatira
01-14-2007, 09:56 PM
Not sure how much I'll put up in here, but I'm currently working my way through the Workbook, and am being very start and stop. I've gotten the first handful done of exercises, but I only have the first self-portrait, hand, and corner exercises scanned. Here we go.
http://org-chaos.net/blog/workbook01.jpghttp://org-chaos.net/blog/workbook02.jpg
http://org-chaos.net/blog/workbook03.jpg
More to come later.
http://org-chaos.net/blog/workbook01.jpghttp://org-chaos.net/blog/workbook02.jpg
http://org-chaos.net/blog/workbook03.jpg
More to come later.
Rebeccak
01-14-2007, 10:57 PM
Welcome, Asatira. :) Good to see you posting here!
deco-3d
01-15-2007, 01:29 PM
Asatira,
Welcome! Nice job on your portrait, I like the expression you were able to portray there. I look forward to seeing more of your work :)
How far into the book are you? Have you done much drawing before?
Abby
Welcome! Nice job on your portrait, I like the expression you were able to portray there. I look forward to seeing more of your work :)
How far into the book are you? Have you done much drawing before?
Abby
Asatira
01-15-2007, 05:48 PM
Thanks, RebeccaK.
Deco-3d: I've gotten through exercise 15, and I go back and re-do a couple of the exercises if I feel I need to review it. I've been drawing off and on since junior high, just never consistently. I'm not expecting drastic changes, but I do expect improvements once I get to the values part of the book and workbook.
And thanks for the crit!
Deco-3d: I've gotten through exercise 15, and I go back and re-do a couple of the exercises if I feel I need to review it. I've been drawing off and on since junior high, just never consistently. I'm not expecting drastic changes, but I do expect improvements once I get to the values part of the book and workbook.
And thanks for the crit!
yuri21
01-15-2007, 09:44 PM
Is this thread still open to participation?? I actually bought this book years back but never found enough enthusiasm to go past the first few chapters due to various factors.
I must warn you all, my quality of drawing is quite newbish. I still have problems drawing eyes, faces and even expressions. But that don't mean I didn't stop trying!! :D I'll start with Chapter one right after I finish reading this text. Oh, and I need to wake up first. =P
I must warn you all, my quality of drawing is quite newbish. I still have problems drawing eyes, faces and even expressions. But that don't mean I didn't stop trying!! :D I'll start with Chapter one right after I finish reading this text. Oh, and I need to wake up first. =P
Rebeccak
01-15-2007, 11:20 PM
yuri21,
This thread is more or less continually open, so you are welcome to join in. :)
This thread is more or less continually open, so you are welcome to join in. :)
yuri21
01-16-2007, 01:30 AM
Regarding some of the items in the "Drawing materials" section:
For starters, I don't know where to buy a clear plastic piece from. =( I live in Singapore, btw, so I don't think I want to start shipping items from the US or Europe(the shipping charges would be murder). Would a clear plastic sheet suffice? The type used for wrapping books, that is.
Hmmm... I just hope that the shops nearby do sell black cardboard pieces. Otherwise, perhaps, I could cut them out from some cardboard boxes and errr, paint them black? Or colour them black with permanent markers, I think!
Oh and thank you so much for the welcome! :D
For starters, I don't know where to buy a clear plastic piece from. =( I live in Singapore, btw, so I don't think I want to start shipping items from the US or Europe(the shipping charges would be murder). Would a clear plastic sheet suffice? The type used for wrapping books, that is.
Hmmm... I just hope that the shops nearby do sell black cardboard pieces. Otherwise, perhaps, I could cut them out from some cardboard boxes and errr, paint them black? Or colour them black with permanent markers, I think!
Oh and thank you so much for the welcome! :D
LoTekK
01-16-2007, 01:59 AM
Regarding some of the items in the "Drawing materials" section:
For starters, I don't know where to buy a clear plastic piece from. =( I live in Singapore, btw, so I don't think I want to start shipping items from the US or Europe(the shipping charges would be murder). Would a clear plastic sheet suffice? The type used for wrapping books, that is.
Hmmm... I just hope that the shops nearby do sell black cardboard pieces. Otherwise, perhaps, I could cut them out from some cardboard boxes and errr, paint them black? Or colour them black with permanent markers, I think!
Oh and thank you so much for the welcome! :D
Artfriend is your friend. ;) They stock a huge range of art materials, and while I haven't seen acetate specifically, I also haven't actually looked specifically. :) They definitely have all manner of colored cardboard of varying stocks, though. There are two branches I can think of: one's at Takashimaya (I believe it's on the 4th or 5th floor), and the other is at Bras Basah (3rd floor).
For starters, I don't know where to buy a clear plastic piece from. =( I live in Singapore, btw, so I don't think I want to start shipping items from the US or Europe(the shipping charges would be murder). Would a clear plastic sheet suffice? The type used for wrapping books, that is.
Hmmm... I just hope that the shops nearby do sell black cardboard pieces. Otherwise, perhaps, I could cut them out from some cardboard boxes and errr, paint them black? Or colour them black with permanent markers, I think!
Oh and thank you so much for the welcome! :D
Artfriend is your friend. ;) They stock a huge range of art materials, and while I haven't seen acetate specifically, I also haven't actually looked specifically. :) They definitely have all manner of colored cardboard of varying stocks, though. There are two branches I can think of: one's at Takashimaya (I believe it's on the 4th or 5th floor), and the other is at Bras Basah (3rd floor).
yuri21
01-16-2007, 02:14 AM
Artfriend is your friend. ;) They stock a huge range of art materials, and while I haven't seen acetate specifically, I also haven't actually looked specifically. :) They definitely have all manner of colored cardboard of varying stocks, though. There are two branches I can think of: one's at Takashimaya (I believe it's on the 4th or 5th floor), and the other is at Bras Basah (3rd floor).
Hello, fellow Singaporean, thanks for the tip! :D :o I'd completely forgotten this shop existed. :p Will go as soon as possible. Let's all hope it doesn't cost more than 20 bucks total. I am oh so broke, ahahahaha.
Erm, what's "acetate"? :O Is it a form of plastic? ^^;;
Hello, fellow Singaporean, thanks for the tip! :D :o I'd completely forgotten this shop existed. :p Will go as soon as possible. Let's all hope it doesn't cost more than 20 bucks total. I am oh so broke, ahahahaha.
Erm, what's "acetate"? :O Is it a form of plastic? ^^;;
deco-3d
01-19-2007, 11:19 PM
Chapter 9: Warm-up Exercise
Here goes... am really pleased with the results. 'Course, this took me 3 or 4 hours! Erm, if copying a relatively simple line drawing takes that long, how will I ever get a real person to sit still long enough for me to draw them for the "real" exercise? :blush:
Sargent - Mme Pierre Gautreau (reference (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Reference/Reference-Chapter9WarmupExercise.jpg))
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter9-PortraitDrawing-WarmUpExer.jpg
Here goes... am really pleased with the results. 'Course, this took me 3 or 4 hours! Erm, if copying a relatively simple line drawing takes that long, how will I ever get a real person to sit still long enough for me to draw them for the "real" exercise? :blush:
Sargent - Mme Pierre Gautreau (reference (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Reference/Reference-Chapter9WarmupExercise.jpg))
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o107/deco-3d/Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain/Chapter9-PortraitDrawing-WarmUpExer.jpg
Asatira
01-23-2007, 02:08 AM
Exercise 11
http://org-chaos.net/blog/workbook11.jpg
Workbook 14
http://org-chaos.net/blog/workbook14.jpg
Workbook 15
http://org-chaos.net/blog/workbook15.jpg
http://org-chaos.net/blog/workbook11.jpg
Workbook 14
http://org-chaos.net/blog/workbook14.jpg
Workbook 15
http://org-chaos.net/blog/workbook15.jpg
deco-3d
01-23-2007, 02:38 AM
Asatira, I'm so glad to see you posting more of the exercises. Great job on that chair! I guess the back right leg is a little funny, but you really did a nice job on a lot of the details - I wonder if there were parts (like maybe while you were doing the back) where you were really absorbed in it, and then parts where you were fighting l-mode? I thought that chair was going to be so easy and then I hard such a hard time focusing when I did mine!
Anyway, keep up the great work! Looking forward to seeing more of your progress. :)
Abby
Anyway, keep up the great work! Looking forward to seeing more of your progress. :)
Abby
Asatira
01-23-2007, 03:11 AM
I'm definately going to do more negative drawing exercises. I really enjoy doing them. I need to work on where I'm doing the shifting and such. Definately a little L-mode getting in there, I think. I plan to post more drawings based on the exercises as I get to them.
wDavidBaldwin
01-27-2007, 11:02 AM
I'm embarking on the journey of learning to draw. As I'm working through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, I was very pleased to discover this thread. Here's my initial portrait drawn on a Wacom in Photoshop CS2.
http://www.word2life.com/drawing/rtsidebrain/01InitialPortrait.jpg
http://www.word2life.com/drawing/rtsidebrain/01InitialPortrait.jpg
wDavidBaldwin
01-28-2007, 11:24 AM
I really had a hard time with this one and definitely noticed the brain locking up and going into involuntary convulsions. In retrospect I would have drawn guidelines to help me. As it is I think the pic tells the story.
http://word2life.com/drawing/rtsidebrain/4-1faceVase.jpg
http://word2life.com/drawing/rtsidebrain/4-1faceVase.jpg
wDavidBaldwin
01-28-2007, 11:30 AM
This one was fun. Took me about an hour. I found that drawing upside down and concentrating on the details of drawing a line and comparing it to surrounding lines without worrying about the pic as a whole quite enlightening. I wasn't even aware of the foreshortening of the leg as I was going through this process and yet got some decent results.
http://word2life.com/drawing/rtsidebrain/4-7Stravinsky.jpg
http://word2life.com/drawing/rtsidebrain/4-7Stravinsky.jpg
wDavidBaldwin
01-28-2007, 11:34 AM
I can definitely tell that I've got to work on endurance! This exercise took me two hours and I found it quite difficult to persevere. 'Real artist' may persevere for countless hours over weeks and months.
http://word2life.com/drawing/rtsidebrain/4-13HorseAndKnight.jpg
http://word2life.com/drawing/rtsidebrain/4-13HorseAndKnight.jpg
Rebeccak
01-28-2007, 05:02 PM
wDavidBaldwin,
Welcome! I look forward to seeing your improvement here. :)
Welcome! I look forward to seeing your improvement here. :)
deco-3d
01-31-2007, 04:29 AM
Hi, David, great start! I particularly like the one of the knight on the horse. Are you doing all of this with the wacom or is some of it pencil and paper? I've been thinking I want to learn with pencil and paper before I move onto the wacom but would be curious to hear your thoughts on this.
Oh, and I know what you mean about endurance - am really struggling with that as well - curious to hear how you deal with it as you move forward. Really looking forward to seeing the rest of your exercises!
Abby
Oh, and I know what you mean about endurance - am really struggling with that as well - curious to hear how you deal with it as you move forward. Really looking forward to seeing the rest of your exercises!
Abby
wDavidBaldwin
01-31-2007, 03:14 PM
wDavidBaldwin,
Welcome! I look forward to seeing your improvement here. :)
Thank you, Rebeccak. I'm completely awed by your work and grateful for all the time you invest to help others
Hi, David, great start! I particularly like the one of the knight on the horse. Abby
Thanks, Abby. We're actually in similiar situations: IT professionals enamoured with the possibilities of CG and with 3D in particular. I'm encouraged to see someone like me who is jumping in with both feet! After reviewing your work I'm also encouraged to see how very well you're doing after such a short time.
Are you doing all of this with the wacom or is some of it pencil and paper? I've been thinking I want to learn with pencil and paper before I move onto the wacom but would be curious to hear your thoughts on this.
Everything's on the Wacom thus far. I posted on the Illustrator group at Yahoo! asking for opinions and everyone was agreed that it was better to learn traditional methods and then go to the Wacom. I've been a bad boy and not taken their advice (yet) because I'm a geek and have a hard time working on anything other than a screen!
Oh, and I know what you mean about endurance - am really struggling with that as well - curious to hear how you deal with it as you move forward.
As endurance is a major theme in my life (note my Avitar - a picture of me completing a recent marathon) I've got lots of opinions about that. In a nutshell I think endurance is born from desire. If you want something bad enough you'll persevere.
I drew several iterations of the hands. Here's the two I've chosen to post. I had a really hard time with foreshortening.
http://www.word2life.com/drawing/rtsidebrain/6-Foreshortened-Hand2.jpg
http://www.word2life.com/drawing/rtsidebrain/6-Foreshortened-Hand3.jpg
Welcome! I look forward to seeing your improvement here. :)
Thank you, Rebeccak. I'm completely awed by your work and grateful for all the time you invest to help others
Hi, David, great start! I particularly like the one of the knight on the horse. Abby
Thanks, Abby. We're actually in similiar situations: IT professionals enamoured with the possibilities of CG and with 3D in particular. I'm encouraged to see someone like me who is jumping in with both feet! After reviewing your work I'm also encouraged to see how very well you're doing after such a short time.
Are you doing all of this with the wacom or is some of it pencil and paper? I've been thinking I want to learn with pencil and paper before I move onto the wacom but would be curious to hear your thoughts on this.
Everything's on the Wacom thus far. I posted on the Illustrator group at Yahoo! asking for opinions and everyone was agreed that it was better to learn traditional methods and then go to the Wacom. I've been a bad boy and not taken their advice (yet) because I'm a geek and have a hard time working on anything other than a screen!
Oh, and I know what you mean about endurance - am really struggling with that as well - curious to hear how you deal with it as you move forward.
As endurance is a major theme in my life (note my Avitar - a picture of me completing a recent marathon) I've got lots of opinions about that. In a nutshell I think endurance is born from desire. If you want something bad enough you'll persevere.
I drew several iterations of the hands. Here's the two I've chosen to post. I had a really hard time with foreshortening.
http://www.word2life.com/drawing/rtsidebrain/6-Foreshortened-Hand2.jpg
http://www.word2life.com/drawing/rtsidebrain/6-Foreshortened-Hand3.jpg
deco-3d
02-01-2007, 02:33 AM
Ahh, welcome fellow geek :twisted:
I prefer the hand at the top, the lines seem a bit surer. I started to ask if you tried toning your paper first because for me that shading (with a bit of eraser for highlights) really gave me a great depth effect, which was nice for this one. You might just give it a try with old sk00l pencil & paper, toning the paper, just for fun and see how the results compare. :shrug: I am going to be following your progress with interest though to see how you do with the wacom!
That's funny about marathons and focusing on endurance. My sport of preference these days is boxing/kickboxing - all about "sprints" (go all out as hard as you absolutely can for the 2-3 minute round, then recover as quickly as possible and jump back in!) I wonder how that effects my drawing...
hmmm... wouldn't I be happy if I could make any kind of progress in 2-3 minutes (*bing**bing*) My drawings feel significantly more like marathons! :scream:
Abby
I prefer the hand at the top, the lines seem a bit surer. I started to ask if you tried toning your paper first because for me that shading (with a bit of eraser for highlights) really gave me a great depth effect, which was nice for this one. You might just give it a try with old sk00l pencil & paper, toning the paper, just for fun and see how the results compare. :shrug: I am going to be following your progress with interest though to see how you do with the wacom!
That's funny about marathons and focusing on endurance. My sport of preference these days is boxing/kickboxing - all about "sprints" (go all out as hard as you absolutely can for the 2-3 minute round, then recover as quickly as possible and jump back in!) I wonder how that effects my drawing...
hmmm... wouldn't I be happy if I could make any kind of progress in 2-3 minutes (*bing**bing*) My drawings feel significantly more like marathons! :scream:
Abby
Rebeccak
02-01-2007, 02:55 AM
Thanks David! I'm glad that you and a few others are still finding this thread useful. :) I definitely recall how much the book helped me. And wow, marathoning - I can't recall ever thinking running might be...fun...kudos! :D
wDavidBaldwin
02-01-2007, 03:28 PM
Could someone help me understand what's wrong with the picture of the second hand in my previous post? The ring finger is supposed to be pointing toward the viewer. Instead it looks as if it's malformed (which, I suppose, is partially true as I have rather crooked fingers) or even as if it is stretched away from the viewer. Even after several iterations I wasn't able to figure out how to draw it any better.
Thanks in advance for your replies!
Thanks in advance for your replies!
Rebeccak
02-01-2007, 07:18 PM
Np, hope this helps: :)
http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/DOTRSOTB/wDavidBaldwin.gif
http://anatomy.cgnetworks.com/DOTRSOTB/wDavidBaldwin.gif
Boone
02-01-2007, 11:38 PM
Regarding endurance, it pays to keep in mind that in your "hippy-artist mode" you're supposed to forget the presence of time. Sometimes I've started about 9pm and gone right through to 3am in the damn morning! The focus I had totally blocked out all concept of time...
But still, somewhere in this thread is my Richard Hatch sketch. For that one I just kept going for as long as I felt like and called it a night when my focus "broke". If I tried to push further on I would only have made mistakes. Art from the heart(not in a commercial sense when a deadline looms over you) is best when you don't rush it: Take your time doing it by attempting 30minutes to settle in, and if you feel you're in the mood - carry on til you tire.
But as with all things in life you just have to keep at it. Shame at the beginning you feel like you have to climb everest when all you have to do is start off with leaping over a mole-hill...in this case, its only 30minutes insted of 2hrs!:D
But still, somewhere in this thread is my Richard Hatch sketch. For that one I just kept going for as long as I felt like and called it a night when my focus "broke". If I tried to push further on I would only have made mistakes. Art from the heart(not in a commercial sense when a deadline looms over you) is best when you don't rush it: Take your time doing it by attempting 30minutes to settle in, and if you feel you're in the mood - carry on til you tire.
But as with all things in life you just have to keep at it. Shame at the beginning you feel like you have to climb everest when all you have to do is start off with leaping over a mole-hill...in this case, its only 30minutes insted of 2hrs!:D
deco-3d
02-02-2007, 12:25 AM
Thank you, Boone - good advice, indeed. :wise:
wDavidBaldwin
02-02-2007, 08:46 AM
Yes! I understand perfectly! I didn't think I'd get such a clear answer but your animated gif, Rebeecak, really does the trick. Thanks!:)
Rebeccak
02-02-2007, 09:19 AM
No problem, glad it helped! :)
Boone
02-02-2007, 08:49 PM
Re: Deco-3D.
You're most welcome!:)
You're most welcome!:)
DuttyFoot
02-04-2007, 11:32 PM
i'm getting into this post a bit late. i actually bought the book some time last year. here are my pics so far. i am really trying to get better at drawing.
DuttyFoot
02-05-2007, 12:07 AM
here is another update.
deco-3d
02-05-2007, 12:16 AM
DuttyFoot, welcome! So glad to have another person along for the ride. Nice job on the hand and the upside down drawings. What do you think of the book so far?
Abby
Abby
DuttyFoot
02-05-2007, 05:34 AM
the book is pretty awesome. i am currently starting on the 5th chapter.
Asatira
02-12-2007, 01:40 AM
David: very good work on the hands. I can't advise much, and Rebecca's pretty much answered your question. Keep it up.
Dutty: Welcome. Very good work on the upside-down drawings.
Dutty: Welcome. Very good work on the upside-down drawings.
Milchschaumschluerfer
04-23-2007, 01:02 PM
Hi,
I bought the Book "Drawing on the right side of the brain" one year ago.
After i got to the half of the book I stoped to work on ot (don't know why).
Now, I have the desire to finish the book. So, I think it would be the best idea to start at the beginning because the last time I did an exercise in this book is a few months ago.
I also orded yesterday the worbook and The Art The Artist's Complete Guide to Figure Drawing (http://www.amazon.de/Artists-Complete-Guide-Figure-Drawing/dp/0823003035/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/028-5730009-5878926?ie=UTF8&s=books-intl-de&qid=1177329335&sr=8-1) by Anthony Ryder. I hope both books will pay off but I'm not sure if the book by Anthony Ryder is not to complicate for beginners?!
I also thought the workbook pf "Drawing in the Right Side of the Brain" is a good extension to the mainbook because you have a lot of extra exercises and tasks.
What do you think about the two book I ordered?
I bought the Book "Drawing on the right side of the brain" one year ago.
After i got to the half of the book I stoped to work on ot (don't know why).
Now, I have the desire to finish the book. So, I think it would be the best idea to start at the beginning because the last time I did an exercise in this book is a few months ago.
I also orded yesterday the worbook and The Art The Artist's Complete Guide to Figure Drawing (http://www.amazon.de/Artists-Complete-Guide-Figure-Drawing/dp/0823003035/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/028-5730009-5878926?ie=UTF8&s=books-intl-de&qid=1177329335&sr=8-1) by Anthony Ryder. I hope both books will pay off but I'm not sure if the book by Anthony Ryder is not to complicate for beginners?!
I also thought the workbook pf "Drawing in the Right Side of the Brain" is a good extension to the mainbook because you have a lot of extra exercises and tasks.
What do you think about the two book I ordered?
Rebeccak
04-23-2007, 02:02 PM
Great books to order. :) While Ryder's drawings are advanced, his method is actually very simple and is very good, even great, for beginners and artists of all levels. He breaks things down into the same kinds of simple methods as does Edwards in DOTRSOTB. Definitely try the exercises in both and see what works for you. All are methods which you will revisit over and over again, getting better as you see new things and as your hand eye coordination improves.
Boone
04-23-2007, 04:25 PM
Speak of the devil, I'm going to attempt another Drawing tonight with Betty's book next to me. For some reason I want to draw Jane Seymour...:D
eegee
04-23-2007, 08:45 PM
First post here - although I've been reading these forums for awhile - thanks to all for this awesome resource.
I've always wanted to learn to draw, but have never took an organized instructional approach to it. So, I'm committed to working through this book. I also want to queue up some further exercises in gesture, anatomy and figure study to jump into after this book (lots of good suggestions on these forums - thanks). I'm actually making myself work through the workbook associated with this book so that I dont have the option to tear up a drawing and try again. So, you may see a slight deviation from some of the exercises from the main book, as I think they are slightly different.
One last thought - since this workshop is long past, should these sketches instead be posted to a personal sketchbook?
Ok - here's my pics. One thing I note right away is that my lines are very sloppy - bad hand/eye coordination I think. I will work on line quality as I go on. The times for each pic are below my sig on the pic.
Thanks for any feedback.
me:
http://www.thegeorgefamily.com/pics/drawings/rightside/1.jpg
my hand:
http://www.thegeorgefamily.com/pics/drawings/rightside/2.jpg
and the corner of my den:
http://www.thegeorgefamily.com/pics/drawings/rightside/3.jpg
-Eric
I've always wanted to learn to draw, but have never took an organized instructional approach to it. So, I'm committed to working through this book. I also want to queue up some further exercises in gesture, anatomy and figure study to jump into after this book (lots of good suggestions on these forums - thanks). I'm actually making myself work through the workbook associated with this book so that I dont have the option to tear up a drawing and try again. So, you may see a slight deviation from some of the exercises from the main book, as I think they are slightly different.
One last thought - since this workshop is long past, should these sketches instead be posted to a personal sketchbook?
Ok - here's my pics. One thing I note right away is that my lines are very sloppy - bad hand/eye coordination I think. I will work on line quality as I go on. The times for each pic are below my sig on the pic.
Thanks for any feedback.
me:
http://www.thegeorgefamily.com/pics/drawings/rightside/1.jpg
my hand:
http://www.thegeorgefamily.com/pics/drawings/rightside/2.jpg
and the corner of my den:
http://www.thegeorgefamily.com/pics/drawings/rightside/3.jpg
-Eric
Rebeccak
04-23-2007, 10:46 PM
Hi Eric,
You are most welcome to create your own personal Sketchbook Thread - it is the best way to interact with other people on the boards, and the way in which you are most likely to get feedback. With your just beginning to draw, the key is to take things slowly and to think about what you are doing as you draw - and to draw a lot. There's a long road ahead but I think with encouragement and practice, anyone can learn to draw - check out plunq's video link here:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=4345509&postcount=3
You are most welcome to create your own personal Sketchbook Thread - it is the best way to interact with other people on the boards, and the way in which you are most likely to get feedback. With your just beginning to draw, the key is to take things slowly and to think about what you are doing as you draw - and to draw a lot. There's a long road ahead but I think with encouragement and practice, anyone can learn to draw - check out plunq's video link here:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=4345509&postcount=3
eegee
04-24-2007, 01:12 AM
Thanks Rebecca for the pointers.
I wasnt sure if these exercises would belong in the personal sketchbook thread as they will not all be figure and anatomy related. However, it would be a fun way to track my progress. Maybe I'll start that thread and cross post them there also.
-Eric
I wasnt sure if these exercises would belong in the personal sketchbook thread as they will not all be figure and anatomy related. However, it would be a fun way to track my progress. Maybe I'll start that thread and cross post them there also.
-Eric
Rebeccak
04-24-2007, 06:09 PM
Anything related to drawing people / anything organic is welcome on the Anatomy Forum. :) Feel free to post whatever you like to your own thread, even if it's not directly related to Anatomy. No worries. ;)
Milchschaumschluerfer
05-05-2007, 05:52 PM
Hey, I just finished the first exercise of the book.
Here are two shots of my hand drawing. I know there are some anatomy and general mistakes (just saw the size of my thumb is much too big). I hope i can improve my skills while I'm doing the exercises in this book and the practices on the "the structure of man" dvd's.
#1
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/pic0069cj3.jpg
#2
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5760/pic0070vn6.jpg
Here are two shots of my hand drawing. I know there are some anatomy and general mistakes (just saw the size of my thumb is much too big). I hope i can improve my skills while I'm doing the exercises in this book and the practices on the "the structure of man" dvd's.
#1
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/pic0069cj3.jpg
#2
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5760/pic0070vn6.jpg
Boone
05-05-2007, 06:23 PM
Hey, not bad at all. Just keep focusing on negative-space and only what you see - it requires quite a bit of practice so keep working on it:thumbsup: .
Milchschaumschluerfer
05-12-2007, 09:16 PM
In the last few days I did the next exercises from the book.
I had some problems with the second picture (horse) more precisely with the sphericity of the bottom.
The last picture didn't fit on the small piece of paper (my fault).
c & c are welcome! :)
#1
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3509/pic0068wf8.jpg
#2
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6088/pic0077te0.jpg
#3
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7462/pic0083vq5.jpg
#4
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8527/pic0088ro3.jpg
I had some problems with the second picture (horse) more precisely with the sphericity of the bottom.
The last picture didn't fit on the small piece of paper (my fault).
c & c are welcome! :)
#1
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3509/pic0068wf8.jpg
#2
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6088/pic0077te0.jpg
#3
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7462/pic0083vq5.jpg
#4
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8527/pic0088ro3.jpg
Rebeccak
05-12-2007, 09:47 PM
Milchschaumschluerfer,
Nice work! Keep going. :)
Nice work! Keep going. :)
Boone
05-13-2007, 12:51 PM
Yes, definitely keep going. Speaking of which, I'd better get my next drawing started...:D
Boone
05-15-2007, 10:13 AM
I finally managed to put some time aside on Sunday and was reading through BattleStar Galactica magazine when a picture of James Callis(Baltar) caught my eye. At first I tried to place it all by sight alone, but ended up spliting the picture up into fours using a ruler to map it out. I think I'm over-relying on this technique as I found that I was concentrating too much on each quadrant rather than taking a look as to how the four came together to form the whole picture.
Some bad mistakes in the shape of the mouth and chin(actually, the whole jaw is off!) and for some reason I had difficulty trying to make out the hair.
Still, rather than leaving it for months on end, I shall be making an effort to do a picture every Sunday.:D
http://uk.geocities.com/galatea_ips/external/FullSizeImages/Baltar2.JPG
Some bad mistakes in the shape of the mouth and chin(actually, the whole jaw is off!) and for some reason I had difficulty trying to make out the hair.
Still, rather than leaving it for months on end, I shall be making an effort to do a picture every Sunday.:D
http://uk.geocities.com/galatea_ips/external/FullSizeImages/Baltar2.JPG
Milchschaumschluerfer
05-18-2007, 07:50 PM
Hey Boon, great work! :thumbsup:
How long have you been drawing now? Did u use the Betty Edwards stuff at the beginning?
How long have you been drawing now? Did u use the Betty Edwards stuff at the beginning?
Boone
05-18-2007, 10:25 PM
Thanks.
I've always been drawing since I was little, but in recent years(due to work and programming) its been difficult to find time for it. I only bought Betty's book a couple of years ago but its teachings have made a drastic improvement in my skill. Beforehand I was more passionate than skilled...
The thing I have learned to do is to map(lightly) the image infront of me and then when I am convinced I've taken it as far as I can - I turn the drawing and reference upside down. Trust me - you'll spot mistakes straight away!
Even after all that effort its still has mistakes - below his nose and the side of his face where the contour is too "bumpy". It easy enough to say "oh, reference the center of the drawing a guide", but you can reference other parts of the picture to help position nearby areas.
I suppose the best advice I could give is to explore your reference more than draw it. Thats what I shall do when I come to do my next picture.:thumbsup:
I've always been drawing since I was little, but in recent years(due to work and programming) its been difficult to find time for it. I only bought Betty's book a couple of years ago but its teachings have made a drastic improvement in my skill. Beforehand I was more passionate than skilled...
The thing I have learned to do is to map(lightly) the image infront of me and then when I am convinced I've taken it as far as I can - I turn the drawing and reference upside down. Trust me - you'll spot mistakes straight away!
Even after all that effort its still has mistakes - below his nose and the side of his face where the contour is too "bumpy". It easy enough to say "oh, reference the center of the drawing a guide", but you can reference other parts of the picture to help position nearby areas.
I suppose the best advice I could give is to explore your reference more than draw it. Thats what I shall do when I come to do my next picture.:thumbsup:
vENTANA
05-26-2007, 01:49 AM
First post to forums. Hi everyone.
Is this an active on-going thread? I purchased the book last week and this seems like a great idea.
Is this an active on-going thread? I purchased the book last week and this seems like a great idea.
Boone
05-26-2007, 12:46 PM
It would appear so! Please, feel free to post up your exercises.:thumbsup:
vENTANA
05-27-2007, 12:20 AM
Ok, so here's my self port... my very first ever. Never tried doing one before. gotta say... it kind of looks like me but not really. the mouth is almost right, the eyes are so so, the hair is right on, so is the nose. Over all I look too young.. I'm gonna be 57 in July and I carry a few more pounds around too. Don't know why it came out that way. Sigmund, can you hear me???????? :scream:
Anyway, I did the face/vase thing and was amazed. I completely froze up for about 5 seconds until I switched over, LOl. it was a strange feeling. Enjoying the eye opening "Ah ha" moments I'm getting from this book. Well worth the time and money to finish. Gonna finish the hand and drawing from memory this weekend. Comments are welcome and wanted. Thanks in advance, all.
http://www.clanexile.com/arguelles/rightBrain/gene_self2.jpg
Anyway, I did the face/vase thing and was amazed. I completely froze up for about 5 seconds until I switched over, LOl. it was a strange feeling. Enjoying the eye opening "Ah ha" moments I'm getting from this book. Well worth the time and money to finish. Gonna finish the hand and drawing from memory this weekend. Comments are welcome and wanted. Thanks in advance, all.
http://www.clanexile.com/arguelles/rightBrain/gene_self2.jpg
Boone
05-27-2007, 10:23 AM
Re: vENTANA.
Great scott, that is a good attempt. Shading is rather good too!
I suppose my only advice would be to try again once you have done some other pictures. I'd bet that when you come to do your next self-portrait you will be pleasantly surprised!:thumbsup:
Great scott, that is a good attempt. Shading is rather good too!
I suppose my only advice would be to try again once you have done some other pictures. I'd bet that when you come to do your next self-portrait you will be pleasantly surprised!:thumbsup:
vENTANA
05-27-2007, 03:38 PM
Thanks Boone, I hope you're right. I've always loved sketching with pencil. My dad was great at it. I always had to be "in the mood" while he always had paper and pencil in hand. He also could draw things from memory while I need some sort of reference. that's why I'm doing this now.. I want to draw like that.
aslave
06-01-2007, 12:29 AM
I just got the book the other day. I don't have a scanner, but I'm planning on getting a drawing tablet next week.
aslave
06-01-2007, 06:32 AM
Well, this really looks worse than it is, due to having to take a picture of it...
http://aslave.googlepages.com/self.JPG
http://aslave.googlepages.com/self.JPG
aslave
06-01-2007, 06:33 AM
Another photo of my drawing...
http://aslave.googlepages.com/hand.JPG
http://aslave.googlepages.com/hand.JPG
vENTANA
06-03-2007, 01:33 AM
Hey, Aslave. Looks good to me. Not having a scanner is a bummer. It does cut down on the quality. There doesn't seem to be much interest or input to this thread anymore but I'll keep posting my stuff anyway. Here's my hand drawing.
http://www.clanexile.com/arguelles/rightBrain/myHand2.jpg
http://www.clanexile.com/arguelles/rightBrain/myHand2.jpg
Boone
06-03-2007, 09:53 AM
Re: Aslave & vENTANA.
I like those hands!:)
I like those hands!:)
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