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Ravendsg
08-16-2005, 01:53 PM
Hi guys,

just in the process of doing a Raven picture and
wanna get some advice from your pros here :)

Oh, and please post some tips on doing the picture
if you have any! I'm looking forward to learning from all :)

Basically, how i did it is by stroking it with custom
brush i did, with fading. Though i guess some of the
default brushes could do the work, but i just wanna
learn to play with the custom brushes... :shrug:


Heres the sketch:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/ravendsg/sketch.jpg

and the partially Colored, (only did the body, wings and stuffs. Beak, eyes and legs are not done properly yet):
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/ravendsg/color.jpg

Hope to get some response.
Thanks all :)

Raymond

umbrellasky
08-16-2005, 03:57 PM
Looks good so far. Nice work on the feather texture. Is there going to be more to the painting? A background or something?

Nice work keep it going :)

Gord-MacDonald
08-16-2005, 06:57 PM
good start. the head seems a bit tucked in. are you using refs? if not, perhaps get out an draw some birds from life - very useful and lotsa fun. good luck in this endevour!


Gord

Ravendsg
08-16-2005, 11:19 PM
Hi enialadam,
Thanks for dropping by man.
Yes there is going to be more to the pic, but haven't really decided on the bg yet.
Was thinking of adding an orangey sky thingy, but see how it goes first :)

Hi Gord,
Thanks for your pointers, i did do some research on the net and sketches.
Regarding the tucked in head, it was deliberate.
I wanted to give it a "starting of flight" feel, where this would be the motion in anticipation to the full stretched flight movement. erm... Doesn't work?


New update:
- Touched up the basic legs, eye and beak

Do give me your critics. They would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/ravendsg/color2.jpg

Alice
08-16-2005, 11:27 PM
looking good so far, if its going to be a detailstudy then a general idea of background and some motion and/or depth blur would be nice.

Martin_B
08-17-2005, 12:11 AM
It looks good and dramatic.

The critic I could give is about the wings. I think it could need some more contrast between them. They floats a bit together. Especially at the part abow the head. Maybe depth blur, like Alice said, is a good idea.

Miyagu
08-17-2005, 12:53 PM
very nice! :thumbsup: the suggestion of beginning flight and movement is great!

maybe add a bit more contrast, some shiny highlights and darker blacks? like if the feathers where "shiny" black..

is the lightsource on the upper left?

keep it up! :thumbsup:

Morrigana
08-19-2005, 01:35 AM
I have a parrot (no, not a raven, but the basic mechanics are the same) and when he launches in to flight, his head is usually stretched out on the neck, and he lowers it towards the ground. When he makes that first leap, wings out and everything, his head kinda pops up and out, body following. If that makes any sense. I think your raven's head might be down, but it would be extended on his neck, down towards the ground. It's almost like in those first necessary wingstrokes, the head and shoulders work in opposition.

I love the texture on the wings so far, but dunkelgold is right; raven's are pretty shiny.

umbrellasky
08-19-2005, 12:01 PM
I think if you started adding the background in now you will be able to do more with the Raven because you know exactly where you light source is and what colours would be reflected onto the raven.
:thumbsup:

Erikoinen
08-19-2005, 12:06 PM
Just a tiny little bright highlight to it's eye, if I may request? :)

Ravendsg
08-19-2005, 11:21 PM
Really BIG thanks to all for all the helpful critic guys!

Alice,
thanks for the suggestion, will be adding a bg to it soon. The motion and depth blur is a very nice idea too. Will be trying it out once i get my colors, pose and lighting correct :)

Martin_B,
Glad you like the pose :)
I also find the wings abit problematic. Will try harder to make better use of colors to suggest the depths and details. Rather hard without Max to do that for me :P

dunkelgold,
Glad you like the pose too! :)
Thanks for pointing out contrast and shine to me.
Never looked at it from that angle so far!

Morrigana,
Thanks for sharing your observations with me!
So do you think this pose work?
Mind visiting my research page and sharing some comments about my comments on my Raven's pose? Would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! :)
Research (http://ravens-haven.50webs.com/research/raven.html)

enialadam,
Thanks for pointing out reflected light to me! :D
I never knew 2d painting was so hard :P

Erikoinen,
I got it actually, but looking at it again, i think i better make it more noticable hehe.
Thanks for pointing that out to me Erikoinen! :)
Btw, I saw the Tips you posted on your thread, HERE (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=267278) and I think its rather useful.
I think it would help me in adding the shine and light to the Raven.
Thanks for posting such nice tips in the forum! :thumbsup:
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I think I'll start on a bg for it soon, as according to some suggestions, from Alice, enialadam, and dunkelgold. I think the main thing would be to position it and get an idea of where the light source is.

I'm using this to learn how to paint in Photoshop, in order to improve myself, so please forgive me if I'm slow, as I'm exploring some techniques, as what I've been doing so far, are mainly 3D stuffs. In work and personal stuffs. Haven't really touched on painting yet, cuz i suck at it...

Here are some research images that I got from the net:
Research (http://ravens-haven.50webs.com/research/raven.html)

Raymond

Morrigana
08-21-2005, 12:15 AM
I tried to get to the Raven's Haven link, but it says it's down. So I found a bird of prey site, and found some interesting photos.

All the flight and take off photos I see of graven's and other birds show their heads extended. If he were mantling (the pose birds have where their wings are spread, and beaks open, trying to fend off other animals) then his head would be tucked back like that. It just seems a little awkward for flight.

Here's a few of the photos I was looking at.

vulture (http://www.hawk-conservancy.org/images/readers2004/Jo_and_Neil_Smith/Macawber%20taking%20off.JPG)
sea eagle (http://www.hawk-conservancy.org/images/readers2004/Jo_and_Neil_Smith/Fraggle%20flying.JPG)
black collared hawk (http://www.hawk-conservancy.org/images/readers2004/Lou_Richie/Black%20Collared%20Hawk%20on%20The%20New%20River.jpg)

Ravendsg
08-23-2005, 11:29 AM
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/ravendsg/Raven2_color01.jpg

Hi morrigana,
Thanks for your reply. What do you think of this new update? Sill much to be done, but did the pose.

Sorry for the short post, need to rush...
Raymond

Ravendsg
08-24-2005, 10:05 PM
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/ravendsg/color3_Moonlit.jpg

A new update to the original pic.
Added a rough background to see how it works.

To be done later:
More details for bg, adjustment of posture of raven, and overall lighting i guess...

Morrigana
08-26-2005, 03:03 AM
With that tree-branch, I like the original pose. He looks like he's perching, and the sinking of his head makes him look like he's arrogantly taking the stick.

On the second pose, I like the shape of it, but his wings need to be much bigger. Right now, he looks like a little sparrow. Although the tail would be more in straight line with his body, I like it so far

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