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biliousfrog
08-11-2005, 06:44 PM
What is the deal with Lightwave 64? I bought version 8 with the promise of a free upgrade to LW64....but by the look of things Lightwave 9 will be available first.

Have I missed the launch of Lightwave 64 or will we get a free 64bit version of Lightwave 8 after we've all upgraded to Lightwave 9? What is the deal here I'm really confused?

igu4n4
08-11-2005, 06:50 PM
I believe the 64 bit version was going to be made available with LW8.5, which isn't available yet. LW9, later in the year.

Steve
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kangonto
08-11-2005, 10:50 PM
It sounds logic to me that NT will release two versions of every new LW from now. Until 32 bit version become obsolete, i mean.

BeeVee
08-12-2005, 09:10 AM
*cough* Three versions actually - a 32-bit Windows version, a 64-bit Windows version and a 32-bit Mac version (not a 64-bit one because the Mac isn't 64-bit all the way through yet).

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meatycheesyboy
08-12-2005, 04:03 PM
Its almost like the old days when they had PC, Mac, Sun, Amiga, and DEC Alpha versions.

BeeVee
08-12-2005, 04:05 PM
but a lot better for the user since you buy one licence, you get 'em all. I wish I could have done that with my Amiga version...

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wizlon
08-13-2005, 01:35 PM
Newtek needs to give Mac users 64bit memory addressing as a first step.

Should'nt be to difficult, but I guess they'll just talk about it for a few years and then be the last to implement it, as usual.

http://developer.apple.com/business/macmarket/mathematica.html

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Conceptual/64bitPorting/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40001064

Srek
08-13-2005, 02:34 PM
Newtek needs to give Mac users 64bit memory addressing as a first step.

Should'nt be to difficult, but I guess they'll just talk about it for a few years and then be the last to implement it, as usual.

http://developer.apple.com/business/macmarket/mathematica.html

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Conceptual/64bitPorting/index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40001064

You are aware that current OS X versions limit the use of 64 Bit Memory access to either commandline software or software that is split in a 32 bit interface part and a 64 bit calculation part? OS X does not support fully 64 bit applications with a graphical user interface. Until this step is made by Apple development of 64 bit software on OS X will need a much bigger effort and way higher ressources then is the case with Win 64 bit development and you will still get a much more limited result in the end.
Cheers
Björn

webhead
08-13-2005, 05:04 PM
You are aware that current OS X versions limit the use of 64 Bit Memory access to either commandline software or software that is split in a 32 bit interface part and a 64 bit calculation part? OS X does not support fully 64 bit applications with a graphical user interface. Until this step is made by Apple development of 64 bit software on OS X will need a much bigger effort and way higher ressources then is the case with Win 64 bit development and you will still get a much more limited result in the end.
Cheers
Björn

If that's true, than as an Apple/Lightwave user I'm disappointed to say the least. Does that mean all this information on Apple's website is just a crock? http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/64bit/

Srek
08-13-2005, 08:32 PM
If that's true, than as an Apple/Lightwave user I'm disappointed to say the least. Does that mean all this information on Apple's website is just a crock? http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/64bit/

Actualy no, they were very carefull with wording and in the end they clearly state the limitation.

The enhanced kernel, plus a 64-bit version of libSystem, let command-line programs, background daemons and network services directly manipulate up to 16 exabytes of virtual memory, more than four billion times the memory addressable by today’s 32-bit applications.

Cheers
Björn

webhead
08-13-2005, 09:02 PM
Yeah, here is some more info from Apple that sounds promising, but stops short of saying 64 bit programs are fully supported on OSX:

..."Others are trying to bring 64-bit computing to the desktop but have met with limited success. Apple is doing so in a manner that maintains 32-bit compatibility at full speed while providing the headroom to meet application requirements for the next 20 years—even if application memory requirements double each and every year...
...Furthermore, the transition of the Mac to 64-bit computing has been, and will continue to be, a smooth one. This is, in large part, because the PowerPC architecture was defined as a 64-bit architecture with a 32-bit subset from day one. This means that a 64-bit migration strategy has been part of the platform since the PowerPC was first introduced. It is also the reason why 32-bit applications don't have to run in a special compatibility mode as is required on other 64-bit architectures. No penalties. No compromises. In fact, thanks to overall system improvements and fine-tuning, many 32-bit applications will run more efficiently than before...
This article shows you what 64-bit computing means for you, how 64-bit support has been built into Tiger, and how you can build 64-bit applications...

...By definition, the difference between 32-bit computing, the gold standard for the last 20 years of desktop computing, and 64-bit computing is the size of the memory space an application can use. In a 32-bit world, an application can address 4GB of memory. For many of the applications that we use everyday, such as word processors and spreadsheets, this is more than enough memory. However, if you work with large datasets, such as the human genome or geospatial data, 4GB suddenly becomes very limiting.
64-bit computing shatters the 4GB limit giving a virtual address space in excess of 16 exabytes. That's more than 18 billion billion bytes. You can't even begin to put that much RAM in a Power Mac—yet—but Tiger sets the stage for some truly incredible system capabilities...


...As you have seen, Mac OS X Tiger takes the next step in 64-bit computing with the ability to build certain types of applications, such as server applications, and background processes used by renderers and computational engines, as 64-bit applications. These lower-level tools can communicate with graphical front-end applications for presentation and other visually-oriented functions.
Mac OS X's transition to 64-bit computing is a long-term effort. The support in Tiger for 64-bit applications is just the second of many phases. The timing and specifics of additional support for 64-bit applications will be decided with feedback from the developer community..."

The last sentence makes me worry it could be a while before I see Lightwave 64 bit for a Mac. That is, if it means Apple is planning on taking a more passive role rather than an aggressive one in getting 64 bit programs ported to OSX. I hope I'm reading that wrong.
:banghead:

biliousfrog
08-14-2005, 12:25 PM
why worry about 64bit mac's, as long as they look funky that's all that matters right?

RobertoOrtiz
08-14-2005, 03:07 PM
This thread sounds more and more like a "seed" thread.
You knoe the kind of thread posted to create a rummor that
later will be mistaken as fact. That is why links are important to back up information.

Unless there is a nother press release I am not aware of,
we should be seeing a 64 bit version of Lw soon.
There have been TWO official press releases and they are not mutually exclusive.

NewTek Unveils Next Generation LightWave 3D® (http://www.newtek.com/news/releases/08-01-05a.html)(link)
NewTek Releases LightWave® 64 (http://www.newtek.com/news/releases/08-01-05b.html) (link)

Lets stop silly speculation and lets get back to work.

-R

wizlon
08-15-2005, 12:25 AM
Thanks for the info Srek, nice to here from a developer.
Is 64bit memory addressing that difficult and painfull to implement on OSX?, it sure would be useful here right now. It can be frustrating trying to render scenes with 5+ million polys at print res (7000 x 7000 pixlels).

This along with net rendering has been an issue for years now. Just hoping for some resolution soon. (no pun intended).

Cheers.

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