Advice needed.

[jbw]

My amd 3200+ 64 (2 gig of ram) was hit by a power surge.
BELKIN Enterprise F6C1100-UNV 1100VA 660W 6 Outlets UPS
Please read this thread. (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=137593)

From my experience Belkin UPS's are not all they have cracked up to be. I live in an old house (parts of it are well over 100yrs old) on top of a hill, storms and power failures are a regular occurance. That Belkin UPS I had was utter rubbish! Nothing else in the same room was affected by the power out that day just my PC that was 'protected' by the Belkin UPS. I'd urge you read that thread, save up a few extra pennies and buy an APC Smart UPS.

ta,
jbw

[MadMax]

a couple of thoughts jump out at me from looking at your list...............

Why an A8N instead of the A8N SLI PRemium? The SLI Premium has 4 SATA and 4 SATA II ports.

read the newegg reviews on that Rosewill drive. For a few dollars more you can get a very nicely rated NEC ND 3540A drive.

for about 7.00 more, you can get the 250gb SATA II drive instead of the older SATA.

A 4800 provides some NICE speed, but for a whole hell of a lot less money you can get the 4400+ and overclock it to 4800+ and beyond. The sweet spot on these seem to be around 2.7ghz. And you will save over 350.00 which would help you get something like more ram.

Ram: 1gb is ok, but 2gb should be the minimum these days.

[n0s4ra2]

jbw ------Thanks you have talked me in to finding another brand.



MadMax----thanks I am researching more, and your suggestions are great.



I will post new specs soon

thanks guys.



Right now I am stuck on a video card.

[lots]

Just so you know, Windows X64 does not have driver support for the dongle that LW requires. There is a beta driver you can grab off the LW forums on newtek's site, but they're not quite official.

Though, 64bit lightwave should be out soon (if not already? I've been out of town for a while so I dont know :P), and it is a free upgrade for LW8 users... So that may solve that problem..

[MadMax]

Just so you know, Windows X64 does not have driver support for the dongle that LW requires. There is a beta driver you can grab off the LW forums on newtek's site, but they're not quite official.

Though, 64bit lightwave should be out soon (if not already? I've been out of town for a while so I dont know :P), and it is a free upgrade for LW8 users... So that may solve that problem..

true, but it isn't a big deal.

LW64 isn't out yet, but soon.

[n0s4ra2]

I am hoping the beta driver’s work. My pc that burned out was a 64 and I did try win 64 beta, I loved it but need some drivers, which are now available. Light wave 8.3 worked well in demo mode. Zbrush and modo worked great.

Here is what left of my system that got burned, that I will be re using.

So I can give an idea of the power the system will be pulling.


Samsung sysncmaster 213t
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...d=1051826233805 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=5348947&type=product&id=1051826233805)

Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW 24-inch Wide
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/...ing.aspx&k=2405 (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?sku=320-4221&c=us&cat=snp&category_id=6198&cs=19&l=en&Page=productlisting.aspx&k=2405)
Western Digital Caviar SE WD2000JB 200GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16822144129 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144129)

Western Digital Caviar SE WD2500JB 250GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16822144309 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144309)
Logitech® MX™1000 Laser Cordless Mouse
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/p...,CONTENTID=9043 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2135,CONTENTID=9043)
Logitech® Cordless Desktop® MX
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/p...,CONTENTID=7153 (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2158,CONTENTID=7153)

[n0s4ra2]

New parts list



CD/DVD Burners (RW Drives)

PLEXTOR Model #: PX-716A/SW -------$116.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16827131338

Floppy Drives
SAMSUNG Black 1.44MB 3.5------------------$7.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16821103203

Hard Drives
2-------Western Digital Caviar SE----------$80.50 each
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16822144415

Sound Cards
CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Value SB0400 8------$49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16829102179

Power Supplies
ASPIRE ATX-AS520W BLACK ATX 520W Power Supply---$54.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16817148008

Fans, Heatsinks (Case, CPU, Chipset)
Thermaltake CL-P0114 120mm Cooling Fan-----$49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16835106061
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound----$7.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16835100007

Memory - System
2x---gigaram 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 466 (PC 3700) DUAL CHANNEL----------$255.50 each total of 4 gig
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16820221127

Processors
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Toledo-------$559.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16819103546

Operating Systems
Microsoft Windows XP Professional X64 Edition-------$154.95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16837102034 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16837102034)



Total $1,567.36 I have added other items I needed. Such as cables and so on.

[n0s4ra2]

First of does anyone see anything above on the new list that is a bad choice?



Motherboards I am having a time trying to decide on. Here is what I have narrowed the list to. Remember I am going to over clock the 4400 to the 4800 amd speed so not much

[/url]ABIT AN8-ULTRA Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127212 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813131540)

GIGABYTE GA-K8N Pro-SLI ATX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813128301

ASUS A8N-SLI Premium Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813131540 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131540)





Video cards. Do I need sli? Does it help in 3d apps? I have narrowed my choices to.

BFG Tech BFGR78256GTXOC Geforce 7800GTX 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card--------$535.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16814143036 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814143036)

Leadtek PX6800Ultra Geforce 6800Ultra

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814122214


Any advice? Please.

Also need to find a case lol.

[MadMax]

2 of the three motherboards you list is the same item.

between the two, I would go for the Asus. Or the Gigabyte K8NXP SLI which is about 25.00 cheaper.

video cards are all fine, but I could swear I saw a 7800 for 399.00 at Newegg yesterday in their one day only deals on the main page.

[n0s4ra2]

Thanks I didn’t notice the double link. I fixed it.

A one day deal would suck. Actually could have been thee 7800 gt instead of the gtx?

I think I remember seeing that?

[SweetDreamz]

If you have the money, go with the BFG 7800. You can't beat the lifetime warranty. I think eVga is going lifetime warranty to now. If you're getting the 6800, get the GT, not the Ultra. It's not worth the extra price. You can easily OC the 6800GT to Ultra speeds and possibly faster.

Edit: Don't get that Aspire PSU, it's an unworthy brand. You're better off with a more reputable company (OCZ, Antec, PC Power & Cooling, Enermax...etc)

If you're on a budget, you can get an Antec Truepower 480 for like $70-$90. There are many more of course.

[n0s4ra2]

Would it be better to buy one 7800 now?

Or 2- 6800 gt? And set them up in sli?

That is a major decision for me. If I could decide it would help with my motherboard choice also.

My budget is $2,500.00 but this pc needs to last a long long time,

Thanks

[n0s4ra2]

A lot of these parts have come from advice and my own research. Trying to read reviews on each part now as I can find them.

I had never heard of the psu before.

Also the ram worries me I had this brand in my pc that burned, now the ram had nothing to do with its destruction. But it didn’t over clock well. And I don’t know it just felt flaky if that make sense,

[MadMax]

Would it be better to buy one 7800 now?

Or 2- 6800 gt? And set them up in sli?

That is a major decision for me. If I could decide it would help with my motherboard choice also.

My budget is $2,500.00 but this pc needs to last a long long time,

Thanks


SLI doesn't do much for 3D but you can use them in single mode for multiple monitor support.

[MadMax]

For a PS, Antec is one of the best you can buy and it's reasonably affordable. 110.00 for an Antec Truepower II 550w, or Antec Neopower 480w.

As for ram, Corsair, OCZ and Ballistix are pretty much the best out there. You can't go wrong with any of those.

[SweetDreamz]

Go Antec if you're on a budget. If you want the best, then it's PC P&C at around $200.

[n0s4ra2]

Antec NeoPower ATX 480W Power Supply added

And I decided on the ASUS A8N-SLI Premium. Now to check the memory to see if it will work with this board.



Check this out (I must have it lol) THERMALRIGHT XP-120 Heatsink

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835109118


Still need to find out what would be the difference in performance between 2x 7800 gtx and 2x 6800 gt. anyone?

And I have to find a cool case. I am trying to have this ready to order by Monday.


Thanks again all

[MadMax]

Antec NeoPower ATX 480W Power Supply added

And I decided on the ASUS A8N-SLI Premium. Now to check the memory to see if it will work with this board.



Check this out (I must have it lol) THERMALRIGHT XP-120 Heatsink

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835109118




Heh heh. Check this one out if you want weird for the sake of weird:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835106044

or if you are really nuts:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835106056


Still need to find out what would be the difference in performance between 2x 7800 gtx and 2x 6800 gt. anyone?


the 7800 is substantially more powerful than the 6800. this will matter to say LW 8.5 which uses the GPU on your video card for viewport rendering with openGL 2.0

And I have to find a cool case. I am trying to have this ready to order by Monday.


well, this case rocks.......

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811112074


but it is expensive. Ton of room for components, great airflow very cool case.

[thaitod]

If you want long lasting PC. Spend more for a super stable mainboard, a good cooler system and a power supplier. You will be able to upgrade your PC later easily with a good mainboard, the system will be more stable and be able to be ON for months. Don't go fast, go stable.

I usually use http://www.coolermaster.com/ cooling stuff. Check it for reference. ^_^

[n0s4ra2]

Thaitod – thanks, right I need a work horse for lack of better terms. Stability is a must for me. And I am learning the more I research faster is not always better.



MadMax—thank you so much for your help it is very generous of you to keep helping.



Well I have researched the ASUS A8N-SLI Premium all I can.

And stumbled on to something about it not being able to Handel 4 sticks of ram. So I thought well I will go with another board guess what just about all, 939 motherboards can handle 4 sticks of ram. Something in the amd 64 x2 processors extinctions or routing?

So as I research more , most say to use only 2 sticks of ram on any system , because windows is limited. Well fine I am going 64 anyway. Ahh but there another problem a rises. We won’t get in to the driver issue. But win 64 is held back by the main boards because their memory settings are built for better compatibility of win 32. Xp or what have you .so basically you can not use ddr 600.

Why do I care about the 4 sticks of ram, well I wanted 4 gigs? The boards that can handle it I think I found one. (Most will not boot with 4 sticks of any size)When you add the 4th stick under clocks the ram.

Most will argue that 4 gigs are not necessary that most application and windows 32—xp .xp will only allocate 2 gigs to any program. That’s true now but, I am thinking about the future. Money is tight this pc must make it at least 3-4 years.

So the way I see it if you build a system for win xp (32) you can go fast .and you can add a lot of components that look nice but win xp (32) will not take full advantage of.

Even the processor. Why have 64 bit processors in a 32 bit world?

If you build a system for win 64 great it will take advantage of it all. But today’s hardware falls way short. And with the limited ddr speeds and the ability to use only 2 stick of ram.

So I ask you. if what I say is true why do motherboards add the 4 slots.

Don’t take my word for it look in to it.

So what do you buy setting where we are now between the 32 and 64 worlds?

[MadMax]

I'm not going to quote all of that, but I'll address this as simply as possible.

First issue, regarding stability over speed. The boards under consideration are perfectly stable. And the power supply choice is more than fine.

As for support 4 dimms...........

YOU MISUNDERSTOOD.

ALL socket 939 boards will support 4 dimms without problem. The issue WAS, past tense, that there was an issue using 4 dimms, but this was prior to revision E processors, also know as venice and San Diego core CPU's.

The stepping E processors have a newer memory controller that supports 4 dimms without problems, and at full speed. So I REPEAT, 4 sticks do NOT underclock the ram on Stepping E and above, and NONE of the dual cores EVER had this issue.


64 bit Windows.....

On nVidia based boards, the majority of potential hardware is already integrated onto the motherboard. The nVidia unified drivers cover this end.

The major components such as raid controllers etc. have 64 bit drivers, Wacom has 64 bit drivers for their tablets.

MOST of what you need is likely already supported.

I'm running Win64 on a couple of machines and there are no issues with any of the hardware I had already.

You could run Xp and upgrade to 64 if you are really concerned about the issue, but I have seen little need to.


Your question, "why have 64 bit processors in a 32 bit world...."

Because 32 bit is on it's way out. Maya has a 64 bit port coming. XSI has one now, but not available yet. Mental Ray and VRay have 64 bit versions. Cinema 4D has 64 bit. Apparently Modo will also.

Numerous game developers have also stated that 64 bit support is coming. Apple is going all 64 bit.

64 bit hardware incorporates numerous technological advantages that go beyond 32 bit mainstream processors. MOST of those features are available to 32 bit applications and operating systems. Of course you are stuck with the memory limitations, but that is even a minor issue since you can upgrade to 64 bit XP now.

Yes, there are not drivers for every possible bit of hardware on the market. But there are plenty and if you choose carefully, you won't have issues with it.

[SweetDreamz]

If money is tight for you, you don't have to have 4 GB of RAM right now. You can always add the other 2 later...

And that ASUS board is fine...

And everything else what MadMax said. ;)

[n0s4ra2]

You may be right I have been awake for long time researching these. And it may all be running together in my mind.



Madmax – I have read your other post in the hardware forum and hold you knowledge in high regard





Let’s just start with looking at A8N-SLI Premium ram issues, if you have time.



Check the manual for the A8N-SLI Premium page 37



Manual Located here

http://dlsvr03.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket939/A8N-SLI%20Premium/e2128_a8n-sli_premium.zip



Also check the first review here

http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/FeedBack/CustRatingReview.asp?Item=N82E16813131540



Also see



from asus site --- Only 1 person reports successfully getting 4GB running with 2 pair "Corsair TWINX2048-3200C2Pro







This one is an x2 problem

http://vip.asus.com/forum/bbs_view.aspx?board_id=1&model_name=A8N-SLI+Premium&message_id=20050711031045383&filter=3&page_size=50&elite=0&SLanguage=en-us&topic_page=1&page_cnt=2&recc=64



http://vip.asus.com/forum/bbs_view.aspx?board_id=1&model_name=A8N-SLI+Premium&message_id=20050713044120258&filter=3&page_size=50&elite=0&SLanguage=en-us&topic_page=1&page_cnt=2&recc=64



http://vip.asus.com/forum/bbs_view.aspx?board_id=1&model_name=A8N-SLI+Premium&message_id=20050712223037415&filter=3&page_size=50&elite=0&SLanguage=en-us&topic_page=1&page_cnt=2&recc=64



http://vip.asus.com/forum/bbs_view.aspx?board_id=1&model_name=A8N-SLI+Premium&message_id=20050710183154962&filter=3&page_size=50&elite=0&SLanguage=en-us&topic_page=1&page_cnt=2&recc=64



http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?p=306124#post306124

[MadMax]

Okay, first off, the manual doesn;t say anythign so I am not sure what it is you are trying to get me too see.

2-11 and the next couple of pages clearly indicate that it supports 4 dimms. IF the comment you are referring to is the last one on the page you reference, about "due to CPU limitation" this is what has been referred to earlier as an isue with OLD processors, pre revision E. Memory would be throttled down.

As for the forum posts, I did look at them, and all I see is a couple of people having an issue and they are not giving enough info to really analyze their problem. Several people have also responded that they are running 4 x 1gb without issue.

You can count me among those showing no issues.

I suspect there are other reasons for the problem, or I would see a substantially larger number of posts about the subject. I'm inclined at the moment to brush it off.


At least 2 posts stated that they RMA'd their motherboard and the replacement worked fine.

I checked some of the higher volume forums that are AMD centric and found very few issues posted about the board.

haivng a couple of the boards myself, and running fine with them, I'm not inclined to be too concerned about it.

[SweetDreamz]

Meh, if you're actually so worried about the Asus board, get another one like DFI or MSI.

[MadMax]

Only problem I have with SD's suggestion is that if you go to the forums, and look for a problem, you are going to find someone complaining the product has problems. You will see it with MSI, Tyan, Abit, Gigabyte, ECS, ANY brand or model and I can find people claiming the board has problems.

Read the positives. No one seems too concerned with people saying that this is the best board they have ever owned, or that if you look at newegg's reviews, there is one bad review to dozens of rave reviews.

If you want a 100% perfect review with no compliants after searching google for weeks, you will never buy a board. Not to sound harsh here, but you need to put it into context. The links presented show 3 or 4 people that have a running rant that the board has issues, the same threads have just as many people say it works fine.

Numerous hardware sites have reviewed this particular board, and the general consensus is that it is one of the better boards out there, but you are concerned because of maybe 4 posts complaining.

[n0s4ra2]

Ok on page 37 it states

“Due to chipset resource allocation, the system may detect less than 4 gb of system memory when you installed four 1 GB memory modules.

SweetDreamz (http://member.php?u=180328)--- it wasn’t just the board, I was researching ram, for the board and the more I read. is where I started running across the 4 gig problem. And that where I found that the 4 – 1 gigs problem. And it seams to arise when researching most boards.

Mad max
“Only problem I have with SD's suggestion is that if you go to the forums, and look for a problem, you are going to find someone complaining the product has problems. You will see it with MSI, Tyan, Abit, Gigabyte, ECS, ANY brand or model and I can find people claiming the board has problems.”

Right that is what is driving me insane.

Madmax
“Read the positives. No one seems too concerned with people saying that this is the best board they have ever owned, or that if you look at newegg's reviews, there is one bad review to dozens of rave reviews.”

Ok this is the board I want.. But what I am saying is that most bad reviews about the board are about the 4 gig issue. Which relates to what I want, so I read more sites and again only paying attention to the 4 gig issue and they are a lot of different sites could be the same people could not be.

Madmax
“If you want a 100% perfect review with no complaints after searching Google for weeks, you will never buy a board. Not to sound harsh here, but you need to put it into context. The links presented show 3 or 4 people that have a running rant that the board has issues, the same threads have just as many people say it works fine.”

Right I was at the point of not buying a board, and right again. All board some where in the public reviews have issues. There just seam to be more complaints about the 4 gig problem. Thus at first I thought ok bad ram for the board then , the more I looked for ram I kept finding issue with each brand all leading back to the 4 gig issue. Which I admit is driving me nuts.

[n0s4ra2]

Now with all of this being said, I am not trying to argue with anyone. And again this has been a lot of information to take in. in 2 days. So I maybe I got it scrambled a little.

As far an asus board the deluxe is used in the alienware pc so how bad can it be. If they got a lot of complaints I am sure they would have changed brands. With the premium being the upgrade from the deluxe. It has to be better. I am in.


Madmax I whish you would have said you owned the board. And if you did I had have overlooked it. Because my question would have been what exact ram do you use? And are you running 4 –1 gigs. If so my problem would be solved.


Revision E processors. I have read nothing about I take it they are the older processor and not the amd 64 x2?

Again thank you both for your help and I hope you understand I am not arguing with you but rather my self. I posted the links to show a touch of the info I had found that lead me to my confusion.

I guess its, all in perception of information. And from info overload mine is off

[n0s4ra2]

Check this out. Look at the parts list on the bottom of the page.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2005/07/14/alienware_7800/2.html

This is interesting me. But I would opt for the bfg brand video cards and the A8N-SLI Premium. Instead of the deluxe. Noticed they change the Northbridge Southbridge fan.

[MadMax]

Now with all of this being said, I am not trying to argue with anyone. And again this has been a lot of information to take in. in 2 days. So I maybe I got it scrambled a little.


I doubt anyone thought you were trying to argue. It's not exactly a small amount of money you are looking to spend, and you want to make the best choice possible.

As far an asus board the deluxe is used in the alienware pc so how bad can it be. If they got a lot of complaints I am sure they would have changed brands. With the premium being the upgrade from the deluxe. It has to be better. I am in.


Madmax I whish you would have said you owned the board. And if you did I had have overlooked it. Because my question would have been what exact ram do you use? And are you running 4 –1 gigs. If so my problem would be solved.

I probably didn't mention it in this thread. I have mentioned it a couple of times in other threads. I currently have 2 running with a third coming.

I have 2 OCZ Platinum kits, which are not on the Asus list.


Revision E processors. I have read nothing about I take it they are the older processor and not the amd 64 x2?

revision E are the newest processors. Cores using the names Venice, San Diego and Toledo.

Again thank you both for your help and I hope you understand I am not arguing with you but rather my self. I posted the links to show a touch of the info I had found that lead me to my confusion.


No problem. Just remember, when you see complaints on a forum, you don't see the other several hundreds of people who have bought a product and have no problems with it.

Go back and read your links again. You missed some details. ;)

[SatoriGFX]

MadMax,

Which 2G OCZ kits are you running, the regular Platinum or the Platinum EL (Enhanced Latency)?

I am considering buying the A8N-SLI Premium myself though I have thought about others including the DFI Lanparty NF4 board as well (the non-SLI one probably since I don't plan on going SLI right now and I can't imagine searching around for a matching card a year from now when I want more speed, I would think upgrading to a new video card instead makes more sense).

Can you think of any reason NOT to go with the A8N-SLI Premium even if I don't use the SLI? Money is not an issue if the board is superior to less expensive non-SLI boards.

Thanks.

Adam.

[SweetDreamz]

Can you think of any reason NOT to go with the A8N-SLI Premium even if I don't use the SLI? Money is not an issue if the board is superior to less expensive non-SLI boards.
It's not the best OC motherboard as compared to the DFI Lanparty? I'm not sure, but I think the problems that they had with the deluxe are fixed with the premium. It really depends on your setup and how you do it I guess.

If you want overclocking and stability, go with the Asus. If you want maximum overclocking, go with the DFI, as long as you have the RAM to push it. Just a note, DFI NF4 boards don't like Corsair RAM for some odd reason.

[MadMax]

MadMax,

Which 2G OCZ kits are you running, the regular Platinum or the Platinum EL (Enhanced Latency)?

I am considering buying the A8N-SLI Premium myself though I have thought about others including the DFI Lanparty NF4 board as well (the non-SLI one probably since I don't plan on going SLI right now and I can't imagine searching around for a matching card a year from now when I want more speed, I would think upgrading to a new video card instead makes more sense).

Can you think of any reason NOT to go with the A8N-SLI Premium even if I don't use the SLI? Money is not an issue if the board is superior to less expensive non-SLI boards.

Thanks.

Adam.


The OCZ was the 259.00 Platinum kit from Newegg.

I really don't see a reason NOT to buy this board. It is stable, it is reliable, it's a good overclocker. I have seen a couple of problem threads about this board posted in this thread, but I honestly didn't see anything worth getting too concerned about.

There could be any number of reasons for the problems listed that were never addressd by the persons complaining. No idea what their memory timings were, they may be set too aggressive for the memory type.

I have 2 and am adding a 3rd. I generally do not buy things that I think will be a problem.
And, I do not recommend things that I don't believe are good products. Funny thing is, I am not all that big an Asus fan.

What you say? Not an Asus fan?

1. Their support sucks.

2. They are very slow to release new features in Bios updates.

But they do put out a decent product, and eventually they get around to fixing things. They are just real slow about it.

[SatoriGFX]

MadMax,

I've had 2 Asus boards previous to this one and both were rock solid including my current CUSL-2 (yes, I am still running a P3 800EB, ouch). Asus boards have done good by me and they get great reviews so I think I will stick with the A8N-SLI Premium.

Looks like the ram you bought was the EL version. I am still debating between the OCZ ram and the Corsair ram which is on the qualified list. Either way I can't go wrong I am sure but I'll still drive myself nuts making the decision. :)

Thanks.

Adam.

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