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RobertoOrtiz
08-09-2005, 01:00 AM
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"NVIDIA and Dell today announced that Dell's new XPS 600 desktop PC will feature NVIDIA's nForce4 SLI X16 Intel Edition motherboard and GeForce 7800 GTX graphics cards. This is a huge win for NVIDIA as Dell is the largest PC maker in the world."

>>Link<< (http://gear.ign.com/articles/640/640065p1.html)

-R

Hazdaz
08-09-2005, 01:03 AM
They move to Nvidia, but they still frustratingly only support Intel chips.... (not that I would ever buy a Dell, but still)

Shade01
08-09-2005, 01:04 AM
Doesn't Nvidias SLI have to be programmed for by anyone wanting to take advantage of it and ATI's dual card solution (crossfire) work at the driver or hardware level so you are always using both cards?

Beamtracer
08-09-2005, 01:06 AM
Dell doesn't use any technology because it is better. Dell's aim is to produce a generic box as cheaply as possible.

This is why you don't get any choice in processors with Dell. You can only buy a Dell box with Intel inside, and you can't get a Dell with the superior AMD processor. This is because Dell gets itself into exclusive agreements with suppliers, based on cost, not on what is best.

Other PC manufacturers offer more choice.

MacRonin
08-09-2005, 02:20 AM
Dell doesn't use any technology because it is better. Dell's aim is to produce a generic box as cheaply as possible.

This is why you don't get any choice in processors with Dell. You can only buy a Dell box with Intel inside, and you can't get a Dell with the superior AMD processor. This is because Dell gets itself into exclusive agreements with suppliers, based on cost, not on what is best.

Other PC manufacturers offer more choice.

Wow, look at what you just said, and then (in the second paragraph, NOT the first...)replace the word Dell with the word Apple...

Not trying to start anything, just what immediately came to mind when reading the post...

But until we see what Apple has to offer in the way of Intel-based PowerMac workstations, we can only hope for the best...!

Cheers!

Beamtracer
08-09-2005, 02:47 AM
replace the word Dell with the word Apple...
Hi Ronin, I don't like companies doing these exclusive deals, whoever they are. Right now, Apple sources its processors from Motorola/Freescale and IBM. In two years time it'll be just Intel. So I'm not in favor of that either.

I would have been happier if there was a choice to use AMD processors, as AMD makes better rendering processors than Intel does, and AMD's 64-bit implementation is far superior to Intel's. So if you're doing 3D rendering, AMD is the better choice.

In graphics cards, I don't have any preference for either ATI or Nvidia. However, I'm sure Dell's choice was made according to the price they could get a generic card for, rather than which is better.

MacRonin
08-09-2005, 09:39 AM
In graphics cards, I don't have any preference for either ATI or Nvidia. However, I'm sure Dell's choice was made according to the price they could get a generic card for, rather than which is better.

Don't forget, Dell is using a nForce main logic board also...

Gotta save a few ducets sourcing graphics cards & MLBs from the same source...

As for Apple, maybe they will mix AMD into the blend down the road some...

Thalaxis
08-09-2005, 04:45 PM
Not trying to start anything, just what immediately came to mind when reading the post...


Another thing he ignored is a simple business reality, which is that Dell probably ships more processors every quarter than AMD can in an entire year, so for the moment AMD isn't an option for them in any case.

And in laptops, AMD isn't a contender yet.

When AMD gets a new fab going, then we'll see whether or not Dell will pick up AMD; my guess is that they will, because customers are asking for AMD products, particularly in the server, workstation, and gamer markets where the margins are high for just about everyone involved.

I don't imagine that AMD is making all that noise about their allegations of Intel's monopolistic abuses for nothing, after all. If they didn't want to increase their market share, they would probably not be bothering with it.

XenaTrek
08-09-2005, 05:34 PM
The primary reason I went with the ATI cards is that they have a close captioning chip. Does NVIDIA have one on their cards?

XenaTrek.

Ezekiel19
08-10-2005, 03:38 PM
wow, according to some of you guys Dell sucks. "Not enough choices" Hmmm then how and the world did they ever reach being the largest PC manufactorer in the world. With great lap tops and etc?


Dells home is Austin TX, where AMD is also located. So I dont think being cheap is the issue.

Thalaxis
08-10-2005, 07:05 PM
The primary reason I went with the ATI cards is that they have a close captioning chip. Does NVIDIA have one on their cards?

XenaTrek.

Not likely... nVidia doesn't appear to be showing much interest in video.

But then again, since I don't do much video, I didn't realize that ATI DID have CC functionality, so there
you go :)

Gentle Fury
08-10-2005, 07:20 PM
ummm, actually Intel chips are way better than AMD......AMD is cheaper....thus more bang for your buck if your building your own.....but they run very very hot and tend to burn up a lot more frequently than Intel......now for all you AMD lovers.....Dell is in the process of incorporating AMD into their systems....give it a little time, it's on the way. :)

Thalaxis
08-10-2005, 07:27 PM
ummm, actually Intel chips are way better than AMD......AMD is cheaper....thus more bang for your buck if your building your own.....but they run very very hot and tend to burn up a lot more frequently than Intel......


That's false.

MattClary
08-10-2005, 07:58 PM
ummm, actually Intel chips are way better than AMD......AMD is cheaper....thus more bang for your buck if your building your own.....but they run very very hot and tend to burn up a lot more frequently than Intel

All I can say is... wow. Let me don the asbestos suit and take cover. The flames will be well deserved though. ;)

Gentle Fury
08-10-2005, 08:18 PM
That's false.

Mind clarifying what about that is false?

Thalaxis
08-10-2005, 08:49 PM
Mind clarifying what about that is false?

For starters, Opterons and Athlon64's are cooler than the current P4's, as well as faster and in general
more expensive.

rebo
08-10-2005, 10:42 PM
Thalaxis is absolutely correct.

IsHe4Real
08-10-2005, 10:52 PM
just becaus ethey are the biggest does not mean they are the best... but im guessing that we will be able to make savings from dells bulk buying capabilties.

Neil
08-10-2005, 11:05 PM
but they run very very hot and tend to burn up a lot more frequently than Intel......now for all you AMD lovers

I think you got the 2 reversed.

Neil
08-10-2005, 11:07 PM
Hi Ronin, I don't like companies doing these exclusive deals, whoever they are.

Well it's because these big exclusive deals that they are able to pass the savings down. I'm sure everyone that has bought a Dell isnt' complaining about that. It's not like Dell is a monopoly of any sort. You can buy an HP, Gateway, Alienware, build your own...etc.

It works for the people taht don't care and don't want hassle, which is like 75% of us. (don't forget that the reason why you're on cgtalk is because you're a professional and specialist, you're not the norm)

Hazdaz
08-10-2005, 11:44 PM
Hmmm then how and the world did they ever reach being the largest PC manufactorer in the world. With great lap tops and etc?


Dells home is Austin TX, where AMD is also located. So I dont think being cheap is the issue.

How did they become the biggest PC makers?

Simple, cuz the VAST majority of people don't know anything about PCs, they see a seemingly "good deal" on a PC but don't know enough about PCs to know that they are severly hampered in their expandability and upgradability, and that most of the DELL technology is fairly "old".

Then on the corporate front, DELL became #1, not because they had the best PCs, but cuz they were willing to give companies HUGE volume discounts and was willing to finance those purchases. Now, mind you, for the average user and for big corporations that need to 'standardize' on a single PC with the same components, DELLs are probably great choices. But for a power user, or someone that actually knows enough about PCs, DELLs are a poor choice. ALso please realize that even though DELL is the single largest PC maker, a HUGE percent (I think about 50%) of the PC market is still build-your-own or "mom and pop shops" or other tiny PC makers.

Also, I have no idea what you are implying concerning the TX comment... cuz actually AMD is based out of Sunnyvale, CA, not TX. Intel is based in Santa Clara, CA.

Thalaxis
08-11-2005, 03:28 AM
Simple, cuz the VAST majority of people don't know anything about PCs, they see a seemingly "good deal" on a PC but don't know enough about PCs to know that they are severly hampered in their expandability and upgradability, and that most of the DELL technology is fairly "old".


Dell's technology is state of the art. They dont' keep enough inventory around to be able to sell anything old, and they get the best stuff first in most cases.

The rest is semi-accurate... but the fact remains that Dell has a very high reliability rating because they don't skimp on QA, they chose instead to optimize their supply chain.


ALso please realize that even though DELL is the single largest PC maker, a HUGE percent (I think about 50%) of the PC market is still build-your-own or "mom and pop shops" or other tiny PC makers.


They're more like 5-10%, not 50%. And it's probably closer to 5%, if not lower. The enthusiast market is the one that the high-end stuff is aimed at.

BillSpradlin
08-11-2005, 03:56 AM
The rest is semi-accurate... but the fact remains that Dell has a very high reliability rating because they don't skimp on QA, they chose instead to optimize their supply chain.


They DID, however, choose to skimp on customer support, which is why they have one of the worst rated customer support systems out of any PC manufacturer. Guess we know where they shaved some of that overhead from heh.

I would agree wholeheartedly that anyone that knows anything about PC's would never buy a Dell. They are great for Grandma and playing Solitarie, but nothing any more serious.

Signal2Noise
08-11-2005, 04:02 AM
As far as graphic cards are concerned, Dell just signs deals with whoever can supply them with the best rate. A couple of years ago all you could get were nVidia based cards. My Inspiron 8200 still chugs away with an nVidia. Then ATI seemed to rule the roost. Now it looks like Dell has gone full circle again. There are no loyalties in the technology martket. Dell proves that and so did Apple. :hmm:

Dell is only for Solitaire playing seniors? Not. If anyone knows anything about computers they should know enough how to tweak and customize their options when ordering a Dell to get a great state-of-the-art 'pooter for a great price.

JDex
08-11-2005, 04:05 AM
I would agree wholeheartedly that anyone that knows anything about PC's would never buy a Dell. They are great for Grandma and playing Solitarie, but nothing any more serious.

They're fine for 90% of households, and 50% of corporate users.

If you're going to be using the standard small-mid sized corporate fair (Office, ACT, Quickbooks, etc) even the lowliest Dells are fine... and any regular home user will be fine doing the web thing and doing homework.

I'd personally rather recommend other solutions for people that fall in that category (miniMac, iMac, decent budget PC from Monarch), but I don't do that anymore... because as soon as I make a recommendation for them, I some how become the personal 24 hour support tech who doesn't get paid. :(

Thalaxis
08-11-2005, 04:15 AM
They DID, however, choose to skimp on customer support, which is why they have one of the worst rated customer support systems out of any PC manufacturer. Guess we know where they shaved some of that overhead from heh.


That was one example where outsourcing was not a good idea :)
They had to bring the tech support department back to this side of the pond as a result... but it was a stupid idea in the first place.


I would agree wholeheartedly that anyone that knows anything about PC's would never buy a Dell. They are great for Grandma and playing Solitarie, but nothing any more serious.

All things considered, I'd recommend them to most people who aren't after the best gaming/graphics rig they can get, but if they add AMD to their lineup, that will change. They wouldn't be my first choice, but they are usually the least expensive of the ones you can actually trust to give you what they say they're going to give you, even if it's not the best machine available.

nerdyneo
08-11-2005, 05:37 PM
I cannot see what’s wrong with dell.

I myself never buy bundles or would by computers from companies like that.

I get my computers from companies that allow you to build the specification you want.

But for 90% of the world’s home PC users, a dell is just fine, of course if you know a little something about computers, then why not search for a company that lets you have more control over your order. But most don’t.
The difference between an Intel and AMD processor does not really matter for the user who needs the internet or has to setup a little database or something.


PC power users / gamers / graphics professionals don’t have to use dell, and because they make up such a little amount of computer users world wide, dell won’t be changing anytime soon to suit your needs

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