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Golloween
08-03-2005, 08:10 AM
"The company has launched what it describes as the world's first Extreme Dynamic Range display. BrightSide's new display combines a matrix of LED backlights with an LCD panel to deliver 10 times the brightness and 100 times the contrast of conventional display products."

http://www.brightsidetech.com/products/dr37p.php

A HDRI monitor?

tuna
08-03-2005, 08:36 AM
So youll need to wear sunglasses when watching movies like blackhawk down?

-Vormav-
08-03-2005, 08:42 AM
Yeah...10 times the brightness? My monitor is hard enough on my eyes when it's displaying bright colors as is...
Cool though, I guess.

minus23
08-03-2005, 08:49 AM
I really wanna know what this looks like. I bet it's freaking cool. =)

hypercube
08-03-2005, 09:24 AM
Frickin' Awesome. Can't wait for this to be the standard..silly having all these extra bits languishing on 8-bit displays. I think there are a few other companies working on these things as well.

Wonder what it requires on the computer side to drive it though..they're a bit cryptic about that. Would it be two video cards, one to drive the LED and one to drive the LCD, and some funky drivers?

Of course at this stage I'm sure I don't want to ask MSRP either. :argh: But I definitely am going to try and stop by their booth tomorrow :D

L.Rawlins
08-03-2005, 09:36 AM
Frickin' Awesome. Can't wait for this to be the standard..silly having all these extra bits languishing on 8-bit displays. I think there are a few other companies working on these things as well.

Wonder what it requires on the computer side to drive it though..they're a bit cryptic about that. Would it be two video cards, one to drive the LED and one to drive the LCD, and some funky drivers?

Of course at this stage I'm sure I don't want to ask MSRP either. :argh: But I definitely am going to try and stop by their booth tomorrow :D

Be sure to report back here with your findings. :)

Kai01W
08-03-2005, 11:28 AM
"The company has launched what it describes as the world's first Extreme Dynamic Range display. BrightSide's new display combines a matrix of LED backlights with an LCD panel to deliver 10 times the brightness and 100 times the contrast of conventional display products."

http://www.brightsidetech.com/products/dr37p.php

A HDRI monitor?

I've seen a late prototype of this at the imagina 04. You don't need sunglasses :D But its still incredible. Great.

-k

Gentle Fury
08-03-2005, 02:45 PM
"The company has launched what it describes as the world's first Extreme Dynamic Range display. BrightSide's new display combines a matrix of LED backlights with an LCD panel to deliver 10 times the brightness and 100 times the contrast of conventional display products."

http://www.brightsidetech.com/products/dr37p.php

A HDRI monitor?

no, not an hdri monitor....that wouldn't be possible, unless you were displaying an image that was shot in multiple passes and layered together by use of the hardware.....which would make no sense and be useless......you would be able to remove shadows from what your viewing and brighten or darken the exposure.....lol

on topic though....

Looks like an incredible display......1920 res would make it useable with a workstation....and that awesome contrast ratio and brightness capability will be getting lcd closer and closer to true color reproduction and actually useable for color editing.

Kai01W
08-03-2005, 03:50 PM
no, not an hdri monitor....that wouldn't be possible, unless you were displaying an image that was shot in multiple passes and layered together by use of the hardware.....which would make no sense and be useless......you would be able to remove shadows from what your viewing and brighten or darken the exposure.....lol

Aeh? What do you mean? It is an HDR monitor. It is only the fact that there was no display capable of showing the extreme lattitude of HDR images, that makes this "jumping through the exposures" when working/viewing HDRs today, necessary. An HDR image is a continous colorspace and if a monitor manages to reproduce this enourmous range that it is right to call it an HDR monitor... or did I get you wrong?

-k

Synkronizer
08-03-2005, 06:30 PM
Check the detailed information. Way down it says:

Weight: Less than 72 kg for the monitor.

Huh?! That's one heavy monitor!

beaker
08-04-2005, 08:12 AM
no, not an hdri monitor....that wouldn't be possible, unless you were displaying an image that was shot in multiple passes and layered together by use of the hardware.....which would make no sense and be useless......you would be able to remove shadows from what your viewing and brighten or darken the exposure.....lolFilm scanners bring in 10 bit log images which we convert into 32 bit linear float images all the time. No need to shoot anything in multiple passes. I work with stuff like this every day and so does everyone else who works on vfx for film.

beaker
08-04-2005, 08:14 AM
Someone on the floor told me it was 50k. Ill check on it today to confirm.

PhillipCrond
08-04-2005, 10:36 AM
This is the 3rd year there's been some sort of HDRI monitor at SIGGRAPH. They look pretty damn impressive, too, although I can't see much of a use for them other than watching non-existent HDRI movies, or playing non-existent HDRI games.

Apparently, the screen works with two layers of LCD. The top layer is the traditional RGB layer that usually has a backlight behind it. Instead of the backlight, they have another B/W LCD that modulates the light coming from an array of super-bright LEDs. Neato stuff, but what would you use it for in an OS? When you get an instant message, the taskbar blinks REALLY bright....

Kai01W
08-04-2005, 11:55 AM
Film scanners bring in 10 bit log images which we convert into 32 bit linear float images all the time. No need to shoot anything in multiple passes. I work with stuff like this every day and so does everyone else who works on vfx for film.

Hmm... it makes sense to have the extraamount of res so that you do not lose too much precision during all the calculations of the compositing. However, I doubt that film actually resolves as much contrast range as an image assembled of multiple exposures or shot with an HDR camera (I worked with the spheron once with had up to 26fstops range) can have.

btw.: found this little gallery:

http://www.hdrsoft.com/examples.html

-k

Beamtracer
08-04-2005, 12:46 PM
This monitor is great. I always wondered when we'd start seeing Higher Dynamic Range monitors on the market.

It's got the added bonus that you can get yourself a suntan while you watch TV !!! http://www.imvu.com/catalog/images/39_Modicons_SmileyCOOL.gif

L.Rawlins
08-04-2005, 01:29 PM
Brent Turbo? Best. Avatar. Ever. :D

hypercube
08-04-2005, 08:18 PM
Looked very impressive at the show, at least on the photographic stuff they showed, the animated material they were showing was heavily compressed off of satellite or cable and frankly looked like ass, but could see the potential anyway. The guy said it is driven by two video cards for PC use, or SDI for 10-bit HD or other inputs etc. seemed pretty straightforward.

Oh and they said it was only $37k, or $39k, can't recall..which while steep for casual use, for the hardcore users, makes plenty of sense. They said of course they plan to bring it down to other sizes and work on larger production to get costs down etc. etc. the usual..will be interesting to see where they and others go with this.

Hazdaz
08-04-2005, 09:42 PM
25,000:1 contrast ratio :eek:

Impressive technology for sure.

dmaas
08-05-2005, 04:34 AM
I think the main CG use will be digital color grading, since it will be easier to preview film frames on an HDRI display.

There's probably a lot of potential for medical users (who want to see details in digital X-rays) and of course for spy satellite imaging :)...

MacRonin
08-05-2005, 07:41 AM
I think the main CG use will be digital color grading, since it will be easier to preview film frames on an HDRI display.

There's probably a lot of potential for medical users (who want to see details in digital X-rays) and of course for spy satellite imaging :)...

Dude, this thing would RULE for viewing Internet porn...! :thumbsup:

YnX
08-05-2005, 08:21 AM
Brent Turbo? Best. Avatar. Ever. :D

Yea... I noticed that too, almost spilled coffee on the keyboard 'cuz of that :thumbsup: Great!

But, about the monitor, damn, this looks nice. Of course, when it will be available at affordable price for homeusers... well, say... 10yrs?

beaker
08-05-2005, 09:21 AM
Oh and they said it was only $37k, or $39k, can't recall..which while steep for casual use, for the hardcore users, makes plenty of sense. They said of course they plan to bring it down to other sizes and work on larger production to get costs down etc. etc. the usual..will be interesting to see where they and others go with this.I went to the booth today. The 37" television screen was 49k, but they had a beta 19" computer monitor but weren't discussing any prices yet on it because it was still in beta. Maybe your mixing up 37k with 37"?

hypercube
08-05-2005, 11:47 AM
I went to the booth today. The 37" television screen was 49k, but they had a beta 19" computer monitor but weren't discussing any prices yet on it because it was still in beta. Maybe your mixing up 37k with 37"?The guy I talked to didn't quite seem on the ball with his shpiel, my indie affiliation didn't rate a guy with a suit jacket even..so may have just been a verbal typo number switch..maybe he said 39, but I definitely remember it wasn't 4. Enh. Maybe it was the booze talking. Either way, interesting stuff so far.


P.S. OT, Speaking of things that cost 5 figures, how many booths had 3d printers at the show? it seemed like there were at least one or two every row..sheesh. I did really like the z-corp color machine though, and the smoothness they're achieving.

MDuffy
08-06-2005, 04:42 AM
I saw these monitors at the show, and they were very impressive. Even just taking standard DVD material and scaling up the color & brightness made the images appear so much better. Really cool stuff. I don't stand a chance of affording one anytime soon, but I want one! :-D

Cheers,
Michael Duffy

Galathron
08-06-2005, 05:44 AM
I've actually tried out this display and I was quite impressed. The color range is definitely greater than a a regular monitor. When you look at lights in a picture they look like you are looking at real lights.

enygma
08-06-2005, 05:54 AM
P.S. OT, Speaking of things that cost 5 figures, how many booths had 3d printers at the show? it seemed like there were at least one or two every row..sheesh. I did really like the z-corp color machine though, and the smoothness they're achieving.
I believe there were 3. Z-Corp, some company in which their printer was used in Geurilla Studios, and one other one near the back. The one near the back I saw running a live demo of their printing. I was impressed with Z-Corps printer, but we might end up doing business with the guys that had the printer at GS. I liked the material they used better for rapid prototyping.

hrafn64
08-06-2005, 06:43 AM
yup rep on floor said prototype was around 50 k .....if santa is watching ...i have been a really good boy this year and this xmas i want .......

lol

mdwsr
08-06-2005, 02:26 PM
That's cool, we are getting there...

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