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nebezial
07-29-2005, 07:12 PM
well i think this is rather important and since it is a rather difficult issue to handle well anyways, here it is the final olution to blending problems, i know that many missed it cause , well not everyone visited my tut, and this tends to be rather useful, so im spreading the seeds lol. one warning though, if ur computer is weak reduce the count, and SET STEPS TO 0 it results in perfect blending well anyways here are the serttings if there are things unclear ill answer the questions
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2750/blende0sh.jpg

dioxide
07-29-2005, 09:01 PM
Are scatter and count variables static? Or are they affected by pen pressure?

I would also like to see your brush strokes in action here because when i tried this method it didint work so well, thats probably impossible though.

nebezial
07-29-2005, 10:02 PM
static, yes, dont set them to pen pressure, only thing pressure active is other dynamics,

nebezial
07-29-2005, 10:10 PM
and here, two minute work... just to show how it looks...

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/313/torso4qd.jpg

ceresz
07-29-2005, 10:13 PM
wow, awesome quic example!

Rebeccak
07-29-2005, 10:14 PM
Nebezial amazes me with his speed! *smiles admiringly* :cool:

~Rebeccak

jmBoekestein
07-29-2005, 10:34 PM
neat dude!

:scream: Sketching at it's best. It'll even look cool, lol.

dioxide
07-30-2005, 06:30 AM
Hope you dont mind, i used your painting.

Here is my two minutes of work. Seemingly its worse than yours, i dont understand how you did that with the smudge tool and got such detail. What is the size of your brush when you do this? Do you go in the same direction with your pen over the canvas?

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4103/torso4qd3uz.jpg

paperclip
07-30-2005, 09:01 AM
Hope you dont mind, i used your painting.

Here is my two minutes of work. Seemingly its worse than yours, i dont understand how you did that with the smudge tool and got such detail. What is the size of your brush when you do this? Do you go in the same direction with your pen over the canvas?



As far as I know, neb doesn't go over the entire painting, but rather goes around each individual 'mass' in order to get all the shadows/highlights in the right place.

I'm sure his insane amount of talent does help though. Maybe just a little bit! :D

nebezial
07-30-2005, 09:58 AM
lol just as paperclip said i work it mass by mass, that way u keep the sharpness, illp ost u tonight lil tricks on the actual usage ro clear things up, the maximal size f blender my comp can handle is 45, and that onr i use under MINIMAL PRESSURE that way u get the perfect blend in, treat this tool as a brush that changes the way u work from photoshop to oil, u see blender under full preassure still has the smudge ability so u can actually drag colours into each other and blend them, it speeds u up even more

dioxide
07-30-2005, 10:05 AM
I smudged it with my mouse, ill try to use the wacom later and do it more delicately. I am looking forward to that trick of yours.

Squibbit
07-30-2005, 11:26 AM
Yea this is a good tool , thanks Nebz, only I too need a bit more
practice with wacom and painting anatomy to get as sweet results
as u do :) .




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ceresz
07-30-2005, 11:49 AM
okay, i had to try using nebz painting, i hope you don't mind-
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4339/blend6kf.jpg
note that i added some dodge stuff like nebz did.
if you think it sucks real bad and don't want it up then i'll take it down nebz:D

nebezial
07-30-2005, 11:55 AM
not baad:thumbsup: u r definitely gettin it mate

ceresz
07-30-2005, 12:07 PM
thanks man, it's getting easier every time i use it:D
btw, if you want to chat i'm on msn.

fourcrowsArt
07-30-2005, 12:16 PM
Hi! Thank you for this!

I just have one question, when you say set steps to 0, what do you mean? I can't figure that one out. My computer isn't too bad, so I guess I don't need to worry about it, but I'd still like to understand it.

Terrific tip!!

Lunatique
07-30-2005, 02:07 PM
One of the Photoshop blend tricks that I learned early on was to uncheck the Spacing. It really speeds it up. But even then, Photoshop's blending tool is the absolute worst in all the digital art softwares I've ever used. Tweaking it can make it respond better, but the blending tools in other softwares like Corel Painter, Corel Paintshop Pro, Satori FX, Open Cavas..etc all blow Photoshop into bloody chunks. :D

paperclip
07-30-2005, 02:36 PM
How come PS is the tool of choice for so many digital artists then?
Here's my version. It should probably be alittle more saturated in places though.
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1104/theresasversion3fe.jpg

el-vio
07-30-2005, 03:01 PM
What's the name of the blender tool in french lol :D

Mélangeur ? :D
i don't find it ! sry :/

nebezial
07-30-2005, 03:19 PM
lol photoshop doesnt really have a blending tool, it is actualy smudge tool with settings i wrote

and here are some tips to avoid the dreadful overblend
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5913/torzo1xa.jpg

Seratogui
07-30-2005, 03:23 PM
What's the name of the blender tool in french lol :D

Mélangeur ? :D
i don't find it ! sry :/

It's the smudge tool but with specified settings.
Look for a downward hand with one finger pointing.

edit: crappit, beaten by nebz. Ah well, I tried :p

nebezial
07-30-2005, 03:26 PM
four crows, it is in the brush editor- brush tip shape, in the bottom, it says spacing set it to 0 it gives much smoother blend

Lunatique
07-30-2005, 03:26 PM
How come PS is the tool of choice for so many digital artists then?


Well, just because something is the most popular doesn't mean it's the best. Look at the highest grossing Hollywood blockbuster films--many are crap. 3D Max is by far the most famous 3D software in the world and has the largest user base, but for many years, it wasn't even a contender for highend CG production. And if you look at music softwares, Fruityloops is probably the most used in the world, but it is nowhere near being the best music production software.

I'm not saying Photoshop is bad--far from it. I use it more than I use Painter, because I'm also a photographer, and other than getting the natural-looking brushwork and the awesome blending tools in Painter, I prefer to draw/paint in Photoshop because the UI's more intuitive and making changes is much more efficient. However, it's simply the truth that the smudge tool in Photoshop is absolute worst in all the drawing/painting softwares I've used. Photoshop was created for photo editinig--thus the name, "PHOTOshop." But over the years they've added some nice brush tools, but at its heart, it's still aimed for image editing, as that is Adobe's largest market. Artists that draw and paint with Photoshop are but a minority in the grand scheme of things as far as Photoshop's user base is concerned. This is why Adobe won't really work hard at improving Photoshop for drawing/painting to the point of competing with Corel Painter or other softwares designed specifically for drawing/painting. They'll always concentrate on improving the image-editing aspect as first priority.

nebezial
07-30-2005, 03:29 PM
hehe guess we all use what we like eh? im just glad ps can blend now haha:D

Seratogui
07-30-2005, 03:34 PM
hehe guess we all use what we like eh? im just glad ps can blend now haha:D

Ever tried using the healing brush tool for blending?

nebezial
07-30-2005, 03:36 PM
too complicated for me... im a lazy bum to go selecting and then blending... im a freestylah yeah

Seratogui
07-30-2005, 03:37 PM
too complicated for me... im a lazy bum to go selecting and then blending... im a freestylah yeah

you don't need to keep selecting, there's another way.

Create a new white blank page, select a full white square, define new pattern.
Paint 2 colors, switch to the healing brush tool and use pattern with the pattern you just made.

nebezial
07-30-2005, 03:39 PM
feel free to contribute, tis all good mate, i just like to blend as i paint, but indeed, id like to know:thumbsup:

nebezial
07-30-2005, 03:44 PM
...whoa... too complicated for me...but then again so are many things till i try them... so i will ,thanx my opinion is if it works good and fast i ll use it

Seratogui
07-30-2005, 03:50 PM
...whoa... too complicated for me...but then again so are many things till i try them... so i will ,thanx my opinion is if it works good and fast i ll use it

Use the tool and define a square, nothing but white in it.
http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=15nc.jpg
Define a new pattern, name it and press ok.
http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=28ib.jpg
Use the healing tool with the pattern you just made with these settings.
http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=30mb.jpg

ceresz
07-30-2005, 04:08 PM
thanks you so much for that tutorial nebz, it really helped.
(if you wanna chat, im on msn)

fourcrowsArt
07-30-2005, 04:18 PM
four crows, it is in the brush editor- brush tip shape, in the bottom, it says spacing set it to 0 it gives much smoother blend

FOUND IT! This made a huge difference!! Thank you!!

paperclip
07-30-2005, 04:39 PM
Neb...:love: You are my new best friend!!
All we need now is a tut to find out how you made that cool statue thingy that you made for your challenge with lord blue!
Go, Neb, go!:applause:

warpy
07-30-2005, 04:54 PM
nebezial,

this is my attempt, as you can see i couldnt get the exact shine you had, also some of the finer muscle details beside the stomach i couldnt replicate them.

i would appreciate some input, thanks :)

http://photos21.flickr.com/29708208_a502b0f8b8_o.jpg

nebezial
07-30-2005, 06:42 PM
Seratogui man i love ti, not the blending though im used to my blender it gives me the maximum speed cause that way its like im working with oils ,colours are alive... buut u made me devise some awesome new tricks and effects, i owe u bigtime:beer:
paperclip go to tut thread, its the same method i used on the dragon tut
warpyy excellent work u really got the hang of it:thumbsup:

warpy
07-30-2005, 06:44 PM
neb,

lol it was my first time using the smudge tool with minor success. it doesnt look as good as yours and i am sure i f***ed something up in the process, yours has more color to it and more brightness, bottom line it looks better :)


love seeing more of your tutorials :)

nebezial
07-30-2005, 06:49 PM
lol there is a whole thread of them in the making some are allredy made and tons to go

warpy
07-30-2005, 06:51 PM
are you planning to take over the tutorial industry or something ?
i am spying on your now, trying to see all your threads and visit them :)

cheers :)

Seratogui
07-30-2005, 06:53 PM
Seratogui man i love ti, not the blending though im used to my blender it gives me the maximum speed cause that way its like im working with oils ,colours are alive... buut u made me devise some awesome new tricks and effects, i owe u bigtime:beer:
paperclip go to tut thread, its the same method i used on the dragon tut
warpyy excellent work u really got the hang of it:thumbsup:

Excellent to hear mate, hope ur happy enough with it to keep at those tutorials, cause they help me out a hell of a lot as well :)

warpy
07-30-2005, 06:58 PM
neb,

i have just visited your other tutorial threads and i must say its very impressive.
after you are done with the gray scale light and shadow and depth definition, how do you color over it without messing up the work you have done so far ?

i assume its a new layer and then colorize on it somehow.. ?

thread in question (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=259286)

thanks in advance.

nebezial
07-30-2005, 07:06 PM
warpyy yup ...tut monopoly
Seratogui ill modify this healin brush to death... mwahaha thanx a million
warpyy nope too lazy to use layers, i just change modes on the brush, where it says normal i switch between colour, i use it to destroy the residual grayness
and hard light they keep the value information, sorta like colouring a sculpture

warpy
07-30-2005, 07:09 PM
thanks man, now its time for me to sleepy sleep !
good night thread people :) :thumbsup:

warpy
07-31-2005, 09:15 AM
neb,

i sent you a mail or something today, cgtalk was kinda hectic so you might not recieve it..
let me know.

nebezial
07-31-2005, 09:25 AM
nope, didnt receive it try on nebezial@hotmail.com

pickleman
08-01-2005, 10:49 PM
http://photos21.flickr.com/30138152_39977ddaa5_o.png I'm not much of a painter, but I used your technique/smudge tool for the face.. I LOVE IT.. works incredible.. you can see some more progress here http://www.flickr.com/photos/kylejones/30166120/

pushav
08-12-2005, 02:14 AM
You can get the same effect in other photoshop by turning the spacing all the way down to 1 or off and also turn on shape dynamics so the blend will be smooth but not too smooth. By doing this you will creat an airbrushed effect.

kami1314
11-02-2005, 04:38 PM
bebz.why dont you make a video tutorial?

OptimusDinkus
11-03-2005, 02:04 PM
Sweet corn in the morning, this is what Ive needed for texturing.

Wilco3D
11-07-2005, 07:27 PM
I know it's bumping a little bit, since thread is a little old. But I just wanted to say thanks for the great tutorial! totally changed my way of blending, and through some trial and error has totally improved my work!

With my latest peice, http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=291534 I used your method for blending the skintones.. never made it look so nice before, so just want to say Thanks again Nebezial!!!

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