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RobertoOrtiz
07-29-2005, 01:48 PM
Quote:
" Australian officials effectively banned the computer game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" and ordered it removed from stores Friday because it contains hidden sex scenes that can be viewed with a special Internet download.

The Office of Film and Literature Classification said in a statement it had outlawed sales of the game by stripping it of its official classification after learning of the explicit content.
"Revocation of a classification means the computer game cannot be legally sold, hired, advertised or exhibited in Australia from the date the decision is made," the statement said."

>>Link<< (http://www.yahoo.com/_ylh=X3oDMTExM2dsczlnBF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEdGVzdAN2Mjc0BHRtcGwDdjI3NC1pZQ--/s/248747)

-R

percydaman
07-29-2005, 02:53 PM
well, frankly I dont know what to think of this. I guess the more I think about it though, the more it seems kinda stupid. It really says to me:"We, the government dont think highly of the abilities of our parents to police the content our children sees. So we'll step in and do it for them"

But then again, I dont live in australia, so who am I to criticise a government that doesn't govern me... or whos decision isn't likely to impact me in any way....:shrug:

NUKE-CG
07-29-2005, 03:07 PM
Overreaction of the decade. Oh no, polygon sex scenes, the horror!

Zero grounds to ban it, pathetic censorship at its worse and over-hyped. I just hope the NZ reviewers don't lose their minds also. I'm still annoyed they banned Manhunt. That's a game that is possibly influential (but what isn't), but they must have not had their coffee in the morning to have the idiocy to physically ban the sales.

Old geezers.

Bourbon Thret
07-29-2005, 03:13 PM
bummer, i had planned to buy that next week...

Lordiego01
07-29-2005, 03:18 PM
well, I haven't done this because I own it for PS2,

but anybody knows you don't have to buy this game if you don't want to see the offensive material.....

you can just download it from the internet!

RobertoOrtiz
07-29-2005, 03:36 PM
Now it is a good time to remind people that we have a no piracy policy .


-R

animateddave
07-29-2005, 03:37 PM
Didn't the aussies ban GTA 3 as well?

tozz
07-29-2005, 03:55 PM
<irony>Banning products and removing responsibilites from the people makes them safe.</irony>

It's just one of those 10years too late things. I can imagine something like this going where the government makes their wise decisions.

-"So, did you read about this GTA game, got sex and stuff in it."
-"Yeah, so does the hardcore shelf in the local video store too."
-"But this is a game! You can't realy see anything special, it's all polygons and what not but still, it's a game!"
-"Yeah, whatever, lets ban it, makes life easy and we won't have to consider any issues ratings and such might bring up."
-"Yeah, clever thinking."

*press the ban-button*

JeroenDStout
07-29-2005, 04:14 PM
That's IT! I'm going to leave this rock, I've had enough. I'll take passengers, but only sensible people.

percydaman
07-29-2005, 04:14 PM
Now it is a good time to remind people that we have a no piracy policy .


-R

hmm...unless someone has edited his post, I see noone advocating piracy... The post above yours mentioned how easy it is to download offensive material, did you mistakenly think he was speaking of downloading the game?

DuttyFoot
07-29-2005, 04:37 PM
i really dont see why it has to get to this. the game is violent and they want to ban it now because of the mod that makes sex scenes available, i find that quite funny. so i guess its ok to commit acts of violence, but sex is a no no.
i was checking out a show on msnbc called the situation and they were talking about the 85yr old grandmother that bought the game for her 14yr grandchild. they were saying that the sex part of the game is the least thing to make a big deal of because you can go around killing cops and commiting other acts of violence. you have to be 17 or older to purchase the game. she now wants to take rockstar to court. is this ridiculous or what. didnt she do her homework to see what the game was about, and the age limit that is on the game. look how long grand theft auto has been around.
all stores like gamestop, best buy and some others are pulling the game from there shelves because i guess it now has an adult only rating. my cousin wanted to trade his ps2 and san andreas for an xbox and the guy at electronic boutique said they couldn't take san andreas at this time because of whats going on.
i just find the whole thing to be very silly, there are more important issues going on in the world that must be addressed. parents aren't doing a good enough job so i guess the government feels as though they should do it for them.

thats just my 2cents

FloydBishop
07-29-2005, 04:44 PM
It doesn't have so much to do with the content, rather the incorrect rating given the new information about the game discs containing "extra" code which can be enabled to play as part of the game.

This is only going to get worse before it gets better. The ESRB needs to make an example out of whomever is responsibe for this and shore up it's ratings and enforcement policies. This is going to screw up the entire industry if they don't.

Dr Dardis
07-29-2005, 05:21 PM
Didn't the aussies ban GTA 3 as well?

No, they banned Manhunt.

And rightly so in my mind. Rockstar makes trashy products, like it or not. I played vice city and manhunt to see what the fuss was about, didn't think that much of them at all. If you are an adult and enjoy that sort of thing, more power to you... but you are not coming to my barbeques :)

I am generally not pro-cencorship, and I think that sex is the least thing wrong with those games. However, there are SO many games out there that do the games industry proud. Rockstar want cheap publicity and a quick dirty dollar. I sure as hell am not going to defend their content.

my 2c ($AUD)

The Doc.

CelticArtist
07-29-2005, 06:02 PM
I won't comment too much on the game because i already have extensively over on the main thread for this topic, however...isn't Australia the country that had a store offer a promotion that the first 300 people to come nude to the store get a free outfit? and like 5000 people showed up butt naked, and yet...they have a problem with a few pixels (clothed pixels mind you, the nude part is not part of the game that is a true mod) dry humping????

SovereignKnight
07-29-2005, 06:09 PM
Well, at least I see the United States isn't the only one with a government full of hypocrits and clueless idiots. If the government wants to parent my kids, then the government should pay for their education, provide for their futures and read them a bedtime story.

percydaman
07-29-2005, 06:24 PM
Well, at least I see the United States isn't the only one with a government full of hypocrits and clueless idiots. If the government wants to parent my kids, then the government should pay for their education, provide for their futures and read them a bedtime story.


awww...I can just picture black vans moving throughout all the neighborhoods broadcasting over loudspeaker a bedtime story... :D

animateddave
07-29-2005, 06:59 PM
No, they banned Manhunt.


Ahh yes manhunt, I knew it was one of rockstar's games.

FunBucket
07-29-2005, 07:19 PM
Here's how I see it!

1) Parents need to start being parents! An 80-something grandmother buying GTA for her 14 year old grandchild? That's completely idiotic.

2) The sad truth is, parents aren't going to start being parents. So some people are mad that the government is stepping in to make sure that kids won't get a hold of this game. Well, if the moron parents won't take care of their kids, SOMEONE BETTER DO IT! I'm not saying the government is going to do a better job though.

3) I think no matter what kind of ratings you give a game, parents are going to ignore it because of the fact that it's a "game". They think because it's a "game" it's for kids! No matter what the rating!

So I can only see a few solutions. First of all, someone needs to start teaching people how to be parents. If you're letting a 14 year old play GTA, you shouldn't be allowed to keep the child in my opinion.

And secondly, I guess there's going to have to be a game rating awareness week or something! Lots of tv specials and ads and billboards explaining why little Timmy shouldn't be playing an M rated game. As long as we let this ignorance survive, there's going to be more and more of these incidents.

This whole thing honestly disgusts me.

--

Jay

itsallgoode9
07-29-2005, 08:16 PM
yeah, I kinda agree with fun bucket. Right now goverments are just trying to sweep the problem (if you can even call it a problem :rolleyes: )under the rug. It's too bad they just won't take an active approach at educating parents, and people of the education system. I will laugh my ass off if it gets banned in the US. As and adult I can legally purchase hardcore porn, but I wouldn't be aloud to purchase a game that sorta has sex in it. It just seems an overall ignorance to the situation is what is causing alot of the uproar. When I went home last weekend my parents asked me about that, and telling me how bad they thought it was. I had to explain to them that there is a rating systems, such as movies, and stores can be fined if they sell to somebody underage, and that it hadn't even been found out whether the content had been in the game all along or not. As soon as they found out about all that, they didn't think it was as big of a deal.

Dr Dardis
07-29-2005, 09:53 PM
I won't comment too much on the game because i already have extensively over on the main thread for this topic, however...isn't Australia the country that had a store offer a promotion that the first 300 people to come nude to the store get a free outfit? and like 5000 people showed up butt naked, and yet...they have a problem with a few pixels (clothed pixels mind you, the nude part is not part of the game that is a true mod) dry humping????

most likely. We as a country don't have a problem with getting nude. Nor a bit of rooty-toot-toot :) they are practically national institutions. Hell, our nations capital Canberra is also the porn epicentre of the country.

And sex in a video game. Puuuleeeeze :) smacks of lonely nerds with to much time and furry palms :)

Just note; industry can't self regulate, and it never will be able to self regulate. What happens is somebody finally screams "won't somebody please think of the children", and the wheels are set in motion on the government side of things, for better or worse. As for banning things, I don't think sex should be the trigger. I think pointless and vicarious violence is more of an issue. I still don't care much for the abundance of that in GTA:SA

either way, it ain't no big suprise :). Maybe they should rethink their sales channels and methods, they might stand a better chance of avoiding Hillary C.

The Doc.

mummey
07-29-2005, 09:56 PM
...and some of you really thought this was "just a US thing"... :p

leigh
07-29-2005, 09:56 PM
It doesn't have so much to do with the content, rather the incorrect rating given the new information about the game discs containing "extra" code which can be enabled to play as part of the game.


Can someone please explain to me why it is that sex, a natural (and legal) act that we all do eventually gets a higher age restriction than murder, gang violence, car theft, vandalism and mass destruction?

I cannot believe that this is still going on. Frankly I am shocked, appalled and ultimately saddened by this absolutely ridiculous and downright PATHETIC uproar.

jStins
07-29-2005, 10:01 PM
Agreed Leigh. It's so backwards that a game rated Mature (Primarily for violence and such) only gets this kind of attention (and banned) for nudity and sex. Ug, so frustrating :banghead:

toonman
07-29-2005, 10:12 PM
Can someone please explain to me why it is that sex, a natural (and legal) act that we all do eventually gets a higher age restriction than murder, gang violence, car theft, vandalism and mass destruction?

I cannot believe that this is still going on. Frankly I am shocked, appalled and ultimately saddened by this absolutely ridiculous and downright PATHETIC uproar.

I couldn't agree more. However, I can only see this getting worse. The more politicians spit this BS onto the parents, the more they will applaud them (thinking that banning these games will make kids better, in spite of their lack of attention to them). The only way out of these situations is IF the PUBLIC (meaning you, citizens!!) PUNISHED these bureocratic parasites by NOT VOTING FOR THEM EVER AGAIN FOR BEING THE IDIOTS THAT THEY ARE PROVING TO BE... but then again, I don't see this happening... I really don't know how many people in the US care about this issue (being blatantly lied to), and how many of those that care actually vote. But I agree with what everyone has said... this is very sad, pathetic, and ultimately dangerous in a certain way (if you don't believe me, wait and see...).

DigiLusionist
07-29-2005, 11:34 PM
quote:
"2) The sad truth is, parents aren't going to start being parents. So some people are mad that the government is stepping in to make sure that kids won't get a hold of this game. Well, if the moron parents won't take care of their kids, SOMEONE BETTER DO IT! I'm not saying the government is going to do a better job though."

I beg your pardon? Those of us who are parents do work our collective asses to raise our kids. That goes for any parent who isn't on some kind of psychotropic drug. And, we understand parenting issues a hell of a lot more than those of you who are childless. Why is it easy to bash parents, and yet you have not an inkling of why Rockstar might have some culpability in this situation. Based on the arguments presented here, one would think developers and artists shouldn't be held responsible for anything they do.

JDex
07-29-2005, 11:46 PM
Digi...

What did they do that is so wrong, what culpability? They sold a mature title with a mature rating. That's what Hollywood does. If a parent buys a sexually explicit video for their child that is rated R (Basic Instinct), the world doesn't go into panic mode saying that the production company is destroying the morals of our children. Why is this any different.

I have never played this game. I couldn't care less about Rockstar, but I do care about the non-sensical reaction that politicians are taking to "protect the morals of children", instead of the common sense reaction of "parents, instill and protect the morals of your children".

The fact that they had to upgrade to the rediculous Adults Only rating is a charade... Mature appropriately (just not effectively) covered the content.

DigiLusionist
07-30-2005, 12:19 AM
Why the need to hide the sexual content if there is nothing wrong with it to begin with? Yes, it's intended for mature audiences, but then why run commercials for it during times when children are watching TV?

Because they want to sell product, and if teenagers happen to "acquire" the game, whoops. And, if we just happen to easter egg some titillating content in the game that someone somewhere just happens to "discover," all the better. More appeal to the game. Therefore, more sales.

If Rockstar didn't think there is anything wrong with the game, they should've back up an AO rating to begin with. If it's for adults only, label it as such and stop playing games with how it's marketed. If that is an unreasonable proposition, I don't know what to say.

L.Rawlins
07-30-2005, 12:30 AM
Why the need to hide the sexual content if there is nothing wrong with it to begin with? Yes, it's intended for mature audiences, but then why run commercials for it during times when children are watching TV?

Because they want to sell product, and if teenagers happen to "acquire" the game, whoops.

Children are allowed to watch TV of all hours these days, so time-slot based advertising only really works in theory, and if the kid can't buy the game, the parent usually does for them anyway. :shrug:

Then they whine exactly like this.

Parenting is what should be under scrutiny here, not a game. But then the game doesn't vote.

FloydBishop
07-30-2005, 12:35 AM
Can someone please explain to me why it is that sex, a natural (and legal) act that we all do eventually gets a higher age restriction than murder, gang violence, car theft, vandalism and mass destruction?

I cannot believe that this is still going on. Frankly I am shocked, appalled and ultimately saddened by this absolutely ridiculous and downright PATHETIC uproar.

I agree with you, Leigh. I think shooting someone in the face warrants a higher rating than what it usually gets. The incorrect rating is at the heart of the argument. That will be used as the justification of government getting involved in rating and policing the video game industry.

L.Rawlins
07-30-2005, 12:44 AM
I think shooting someone in the face warrants a higher rating than what it usually gets. The incorrect rating is at the heart of the argument.

Over here that would get an '18', just like sexual content would. There isn't anything above that I don't think. :shrug:

DigiLusionist
07-30-2005, 12:46 AM
Sure, parents need to be responsible. That, by definition, is what a parent is. That is not the issue here, though. As easy as it is to vilify parents everywhere, and to ridicule moral values in certain "Puritanical" countries, it still doesn't mean companies shouldn't also be responsible for their "children."

CelticArtist
07-30-2005, 12:54 AM
Over here that would get an '18', just like sexual content would. There isn't anything above that I don't think. :shrug:

technically that's what an AO rating is, it's 18+, the problem for Rockstar (and others) is that most stores won't carrry AO titles, so far Walmart, Target, Gamestop, etc. have taken GTA:SA off shelves. What i find interesting is the hypocracy of the ESRB with the rating change, they were even asked directly over at Gamespot why GTA got an AO when God of War had more graphic content sexually, they totally skirted the answer. At this point, it has nothing to do with GTA, it has nothing to do with sex, it has nothing to do with violence, it has everything to do with political pull, Hillary is aiming for the white house and Jack Thompson is trying to make his career, the validity of the argument is null and void. As for Australia, all i can say is that there are politicians there who are trying the same tactics, i'm simply surprised that the violence of the game isn't what got it banned as that is what caused Manhunt to be banned a few years ago.

Oh, here's the article with the President of the ESRB at Gamespot:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/gta4/news_6129557.html

JDex
07-30-2005, 12:54 AM
Why the need to hide the sexual content if there is nothing wrong with it to begin with? Yes, it's intended for mature audiences, but then why run commercials for it during times when children are watching TV?

Because they want to sell product, and if teenagers happen to "acquire" the game, whoops. And, if we just happen to easter egg some titillating content in the game that someone somewhere just happens to "discover," all the better. More appeal to the game. Therefore, more sales.

If Rockstar didn't think there is anything wrong with the game, they should've back up an AO rating to begin with. If it's for adults only, label it as such and stop playing games with how it's marketed. If that is an unreasonable proposition, I don't know what to say.

Yes they want to sell the game... yes they want to create buzz and generate more sales...

The AO rating is not appropriate here anyway. There's more wanton sexual action in your average R rated movie than this hack. This is not anything like a XXX movie, at least from the clips that I have seen on the web.

As for showing commercials while children are watching TV... when aren't children watching TV? It's the most used babysitter on the planet. Many, if not most children have TVs in their rooms, and when mommy and daddy go to bed, they turn it on. The commercials aren't on Saturday Morning cartoons, they're not on Nickelodeon or Boomerang (at least I've never seen one)... they are on Cartoon Network, but only during Adult Swim (after 11pm) where the target demographic is 18-30.

Bah!... if this studio and it's product need to be gone after, it's for making crappy violent games... not for sex.

DigiLusionist
07-30-2005, 01:09 AM
JDex, I won't argue with you on that point. If the product is crap, the company should sink.

DoubleSupercool
07-30-2005, 01:20 AM
As I understand it, Australia doesn't have a rating above M15+ (for games), so by definition anything above that rating will be banned. We had a panel discussion with some industry guys at school the other day and this issue was brought up (although I don't think it had been banned at that time).

Points raised included:

1. Why should a developer/film maker self censor? People can choose to watchplay these games.
2. Why is nudity sex "bad" while killing hundreds and beating prostitutes with baseball bats "okay". It's not a relativism argument, it points out the amazing inconsistency in opponents arguments.
3. The average age of gamers is well above the stereotypical "13 year old boy in his bedroom"
4. Average age of OFCL (classification board) in Australia is about 45 and they don't play games.

In my opinion however, Rockstar knew what they were getting into when they made this series, so they can't be surprised when things like this happen. How about their upcoming game "Bullworth" where you job is to be a school bully . . . nice one guys. I am sure that one won't get pulled from the shelves as well.

FunBucket
07-30-2005, 02:06 AM
I beg your pardon? Those of us who are parents do work our collective asses to raise our kids. That goes for any parent who isn't on some kind of psychotropic drug. And, we understand parenting issues a hell of a lot more than those of you who are childless. Why is it easy to bash parents, and yet you have not an inkling of why Rockstar might have some culpability in this situation. Based on the arguments presented here, one would think developers and artists shouldn't be held responsible for anything they do.

I was waiting for someone to take what a said personally. :)

For the parents that raise their kids, are aware of what they're watching on tv, or playing on their xbox/ps2/gamecube/whatever, BRAVO! Good job! Keep it up!

What I've noticed is that a huge majority of people with kids do not know how to raise their kids. That's why they let them play all the games they want, watch all the tv they want, and the parents don't question it. Whatever keeps them quiet, right? I've seen this attitude in parents first hand many many times. I'm not bashing parents. REAL loving caring parents are a minority these days.

I have two younger brothers. One's 8, the other's 9. I'm 20. I've watched as my parents have been raising them, I've even helped out a lot, and I mean a LOT. Some people may say I'm clueless because I haven't had any of my OWN children. I agree that it's a whole new ballgame when it's your own kids, but I have a much better idea of what parenting is all about then most people without kids.

And anyways, I don't see how in the world Rockstar has done anything wrong! You act as if it's okay if people let their kids play an M rated game with violence, but not an M rated game with sex. What the? No matter the content, kids shouldn't be playing M rated games, so how is Rockstar at fault?

The only thing Rockstar did wrong is leave that stuff hidden away on the game. If they had erased it, none of this would be happening right now.

--

Jay

Peddy
07-30-2005, 02:41 AM
wow. ppl really like talking about this stuff. for me, GTA gets boring after a while, and i found the hot coffee footage laughable. if i want to see sex, ill just get on the internet. more realistic, damaging, and horrific examples of sexual acts are more easily accessible then a video game, and for free. thank you internet!

and i also find it funny that my government is so anal about computer game ratings, when the SBS channel (free to air) has more sex than all of the video games ive ever played combined. granted, its easier to stop a child from watching bad television in your living room than playing a bad video game in their bedroom, but isnt that convenient?

ShadowHunter
07-30-2005, 05:00 AM
Ok lets face it: Rockstar got what was coming to them (it's not like it's their first controversial title); the gov will realize that they overexagerated; and eventually we'll all go back to our normal lives.

So please, can we all stop making such a big deal out of all of this (that goes for both sides of the fence).
Peace out :love:

DoubleSupercool
07-30-2005, 05:34 AM
Ok lets face it: Rockstar got what was coming to them (it's not like it's their first controversial title); the gov will realize that they overexagerated; and eventually we'll all go back to our normal lives.

So please, can we all stop making such a big deal out of all of this (that goes for both sides of the fence).
Peace out :love:

I'm sorry mate, but that is a naive view of how government works. Do you think the Australian government will just say "Well, we sure made a mistake on THAT one! Better reverse our decision and let people buy that game." That is not going to happen. The fact is that there is no classifcation system in Australia that allows people to purchase "adult oriented" games. By that I don't pr0n, I mean games that have "adult themes and situations". There is also something drastically wrong when a simulated sex act can be banned yet insane violence is allowed. The problem is the government is not going to make a new classification rating any time soon. Why can games not be classified in-line with films, which are far more "realistic"?

I am not overly concerned about this myself, but I can see why it is a big deal.

Apoclypse
07-30-2005, 05:48 AM
Am I the only one who thinks M is already an adult only rating and that the AO rating is redundant? T is for teen, it means anyone from 13-17 which is in line with say a PG-13 rating in the movies. M should then be more like the R rating in the movies where violence as well as sexually explicit content is a given, as well as language. 18 and up should be the age limit for M rated games.

lightblitter22
07-30-2005, 01:34 PM
The most controversial game out there by far is not GTA San Andreas. Its America's Army, which is a free download accessible to people of all ages and pretends to be a realistic combat simulator when its really just a slick marketing tool designed to get young people to sign up for "the real thing".

If people go after one more game for having "sexual content" I'm going to start an advocacy group that slams games which glorify war, of which there are many.

pnoland
07-30-2005, 09:18 PM
Yeah and while we're at it lets just get rid of all violent games and only play games that involve puppies and icecream. :rolleyes:

Projectkmo
07-30-2005, 10:24 PM
Lame....overreaction for sure....
if it gets the updated warning on it...then it cant be sold to anyone too young anyway...and even if it did...its NO WORSE than any old DVD that a kid can buy...or geee the SLEW of FREE Porn a kid could download.

Way to go Australia...lol

"But its a game.." well ya...but its a game that cant be sold to kids with the up-dated warning.....

is Australia gonna ban all the PG-13 movies that have boobs and sex in them? lol....

this is poloticians caving into the demands of ignorant people...oh well

Apoclypse
07-31-2005, 12:43 AM
No not caving to those ignorant people, but desperately hopimg that acing concerned is going to get them re-elected. Politicians just suck.

flipnap
07-31-2005, 01:45 AM
you know, these threads always turn into the same absurdity. First off, Rockstar screwed themselves and this game by allowing this code in there.. they screwed up. The reason its pulled from the shelves is because they lied and now theyre being penalized. If you were a health nut and bought sugar free food and it turned out the company lied and was putting sugar into it, you wouldnt have a problem with them pulling the product.. so whats the difference. And as far as all you people always being sarcastic about one culture being "prudish" about sexual content i say grow up and learn how to respect. You know, the rest of the world doesnt revolve around what you think is right or wrong.. There are places in this world where you might get beat up for trying to shake hands, cuz people wipe their butt with hands and its considered bad.. so next time you sit and drone on about how ridiculous some people are about sex, think about how ridiculous you sound to them.

darktding
07-31-2005, 01:52 AM
bummer, i had planned to buy that next week...

well... nothing will stop you from getting it from ebay... or will it?!?

Brumfield
07-31-2005, 02:30 AM
you know, these threads always turn into the same absurdity. First off, Rockstar screwed themselves and this game by allowing this code in there.. they screwed up. The reason its pulled from the shelves is because they lied and now theyre being penalized. If you were a health nut and bought sugar free food and it turned out the company lied and was putting sugar into it, you wouldnt have a problem with them pulling the product.. so whats the difference. And as far as all you people always being sarcastic about one culture being "prudish" about sexual content i say grow up and learn how to respect. You know, the rest of the world doesnt revolve around what you think is right or wrong.. There are places in this world where you might get beat up for trying to shake hands, cuz people wipe their butt with hands and its considered bad.. so next time you sit and drone on about how ridiculous some people are about sex, think about how ridiculous you sound to them.


the difference is that the game was rated M (17+) in the first place, not E (all ages), it's not like rockstar is out there saying "hey this game is appropriate for everyone of all ages!" only to find out the game includes murder, prositution, robbery, foul language, and sex. the box clearly states "strong sexual content" on the back, in addition to "blood and gore", "intense violence", "strong language", and "use of drugs", so nobody was being mislead here. to correct your analogy, it's like a health nut going out and buying a box of fruity pebbles and then complaining that the cereal has sugar in it. mature content is mature content, and if someone finds this stuff offensive, what are they doing buying this game in the first place?

the code that was left in the game does not warrant a ratings upgrade when compared to the rest of the stuff in the game and many, myself included, feel that the original rating was appropriate... especially considering that there are other games that have equally "questionable" content which are still rated M. we are taking issue with the fact that murder, robbery, prostitution, etc. is apparently suitable for an M rating, yet a hidden (fully clothed) sex scene that is only accessible with a 3rd party hack is enough to bump the rating up to AO and have it removed from store shelves. it's a knee-jerk over-reaction. yes, the issue that rockstar may have intentionally mislead the ESRB is valid and deserving of an investigation. but the uproar over the content itself is ludicrous considering the rest of the game's content.

the issue with australia seems to be that they do not have an 18+ rating for games... so anything that falls under that category is outright banned. the average age of gamers is well over 18. people need to get with the times.

ndat
07-31-2005, 03:16 AM
Now it is a good time to remind people that we have a no piracy policy .


-R

But if it's illegal to download, and illegal to buy. How are people going to get it? I'm confused, what are they going to do trade baked goods for it?

Peddy
07-31-2005, 03:55 AM
But if it's illegal to download, and illegal to buy. How are people going to get it? I'm confused, what are they going to do trade baked goods for it?

Holy topic diversion batman, he's onto something!

aleinlatin
07-31-2005, 04:34 AM
*sigh* Well, hasn't this just gone WAY out of hand?

I have a younger brother (12 yrs) and he is one of these kids that thinks that just because he has seen an M movie or a little bit of it he can see the rest of them. That there will not be anything different about the content of them. Man, I remember my folks when I was younger, very rarely was I ever able to see anything that was not supervised and properly explained to me. These days parents just don't have the time to do so. I know my folks work 6 days (sometimes 7) a week and when my little brother watches a movie that has a lot of f*uck and sh*t and other swear words, all you'll hear is a "My, that is such a bad way to talk isn't it?" from my mum who is not even in the room. Not enough time for parenting = kids that have too much freedom = bored kids that will whinge at anything = parents that worry about their poor little babies and sue the local council when their kids fall while riding their bikes in an "unsafe" bike track!!

I'm really fuming on this matter.
Why ban a game that in my personal opinion is not meant to be sold for kids in the first place? You know why? Because the people in the goverment (local and OS) still think that video games are for kids only!! They still think that all that is being made is targeting the younger audience. Geez!

So as to not make the post too long, all I have to say is that Rockstar did bad in not telling about the extra content? It is bad extra content? No, its pixelated sex for crying out loud? Its not something that is evil is it? No, well, the politics certainly seem to think so. You know why? Beliefs. I'm not even gonna open that can of worms but I say that is where it comes from. Shame of our human nature in the thinking that sex is somehow dirty and evil when it is all the opposite. Damn, I only wish that more people had more sex. Can you imagine how chilled out everybody would be? Damn!

I'll leave it here...

Oh Honey!!!...
:D

noisewar
07-31-2005, 09:18 AM
With a "special internet download," one can find things that make the GTA scenes look like candy making in the wonka factory. Why are kids getting unsupervised access to the internet anyways when sites that feature unconstrained software piracy alongside pornographic ads and bomb-making tutes? I was a kid once, and I know very well that vices and google make a dangerous combo.

JoshBowman
07-31-2005, 01:07 PM
Well I hired it when it first came out, played it, heard about the sex scenes, didn't do anything about it and finished it. So now I don't care what happens. My local video store doesn't take the bann seriously because I went down there last night and it was still on the shelves.

Frankly if a game like GTA can be released then we really do need censorship from ourselves. All these people thinking that it's Ok to do what ever as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else have a mindset which I just don't agree with.

Also this is a forum for everybody, so why can a person get away with Mario banging the Princess as their avatar, sure it's done humourously but it's still tastless.
There isn't a point here just observation.

AshtonWoolley
07-31-2005, 01:23 PM
Well, im from Australia, and i bought the game the day it came, out...its in mint condition...and on my Hard drive i have this Coffee add-on so im feeling fine, while im drinking my wine :)

ASW

Boone
07-31-2005, 04:03 PM
I wish this game was banned altogether as I am tired of hearing about the sodding thing. :rolleyes:

JeroenDStout
07-31-2005, 04:58 PM
Also this is a forum for everybody, so why can a person get away with Mario banging the Princess as their avatar, sure it's done humourously but it's still tastless.
There isn't a point here just observation.
Because there's a thing with that avatar, after you've seen it a hundred times you just can't help to giggle with every 1up. Also, it ruined every wish I ever had to play Mario again, thank Yurok.

I do think that things should be possible as long as they don't hurt society - friend of mine plays GTA and he'd march again nuclear missiles should he get the chance and free booze. I even played it and it's just harmless shooting people. It was fun, for the first 10 minutes, after that it just became another boring game.

The majority of people just plays this game for entertainment and not for lessons in criminality. Banning the sexscenes makes no sense, however, as the sex is not as bad as the mutilation of helpless verhicle drivers. Then again, we humans are very proud we got out of the trees and into the clothes, so prudity is important to .. well, not me, but other humans, aparently.

itsallgoode9
07-31-2005, 06:24 PM
I didn't wanna start a new thread, because there's always a billion of them, but here's an article on I IGN which I didn't see anything about when I searched here. Read on to see more of societies stupidity:

"Grandmother Sues Take-Two for AO Content
A New York woman smells hot coffee and heads straight to court."


here's the whole storry :
http://pc.ign.com/articles/637/637171p1.html

orion119net
07-31-2005, 07:23 PM
i got this from www.userfriendly.org.

http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/05jul/xuf008161.gif

:D

JeroenDStout
07-31-2005, 08:00 PM
i got this from www.userfriendly.org (http://www.userfriendly.org).
:applause:

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