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stepington
07-28-2005, 07:40 PM
My apologies to all those who are expecting a food fight. Is it possible to change a thread title? If it is I'd love to know how.

Title - Death of a Peculiar Salesman

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/663/bic5lh.gif

Finally finished!

I must warn you guys that this is a strange one. But I like it that way.


Right click and save target as

small (23 mb) 320x240 (http://stephenbodin.com/2minutefilmclub-stepingtonSMALL.mov)

(http://stephenbodin.com/2minutefilmclub-stepington.mov)

archerx
07-28-2005, 07:56 PM
for some reason i smiled from reading this title, you better not dissapoint :D !

put some matrix style pea dodging !

stepington
07-28-2005, 09:05 PM
Thanks for the encouragement - I'll try not to dissapoint. I'm brain storming for a way to entertain with out making too much of a mess. . . hmmm. . . I'm thinking as I type. . .

ZaKKoS
07-29-2005, 02:04 AM
your work looks cool stephen, I hope this time you finish it. As archer said "you better not disappoint"!

stepington
07-29-2005, 03:43 AM
Thanks!

Looks like the pressure is on. :eek:

Fortunately I'm about to take a 10 day vacation and I'm not going anywhere so this time I have no excuses.

igorsandman
08-06-2005, 12:53 PM
Hello,
It's sad you couldn't reach the deadline last time. Now rise and take your revenge :twisted:
Best of luck mate.
-IS-

stepington
08-06-2005, 04:59 PM
THanks for the cry for freedom :scream:

I'm actually changing my title to - The Eviction -
I'm going to be staying at a beach house which belongs to a friend's friend's grandmother next week and hope to shoot it all there in two days. Stop motion with people.

-steph

stepington
08-07-2005, 10:04 PM
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/6113/before6gi.gif http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/4606/after7kh.gif
BEFORE raw BW video_____AFTER a pleasant industrial view.

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8922/bridge8cf.gif
Everyone loves a bridge . . . .(I sure do anyway)

igorsandman
08-08-2005, 05:24 PM
I love it! Especialy the bridge. Keep it coming.
:buttrock:
-IS-

stepington
08-08-2005, 05:27 PM
Thanks! Um, just in case your love for the bridge is VFX based I must sadly point out that the bridge is not VFX it is in fact a real one.:D

igorsandman
08-08-2005, 06:29 PM
Thanks! Um, just in case your love for the bridge is VFX based I must sadly point out that the bridge is not VFX it is in fact a real one.:D
I love the mood of the shot :) VFX or not. BTW, is that blur intentional or is it caused by the stop motion thing? Anyways it's interresting.
Later.
-IS-

stepington
08-08-2005, 06:46 PM
It's intentional - I rendered it plain - then a full blur - then made an animated opacity map to make the blur sporatic and choppy.

I'm debating with myself weather or not to put film scratches on the surface. I think it would suit the mood - but then again it kind of feels contrived, overdone, and cheesy. What do you think?

stepington
08-08-2005, 09:02 PM
Here is a coloring/contrast adjustment. . .
http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/8971/coloradjust2wj.gif http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9940/titles0fj.gif
___________________________________the titles - reminds me of a certain avatar . . .

archerx
08-08-2005, 09:48 PM
a bridge ?! i hate bridges ! nah im just kidding :p you're shots look great. are you gonna keep it yellow ? im not digging the yellow so much, maybe make it a bit lighter ? but its up to you since im not a big fan of yellow :sad: <---- maybe the yellow of the smilie would be good....

stepington
08-08-2005, 10:09 PM
Y'know what? I asked the same question about the yellow and I was laughed out of the editing room. So I think we're stuck with it. Cyan will get me fired, BW will keep me where I am, yellow is going to get me a promotion.:D

igorsandman
08-09-2005, 08:06 AM
Hey,
I prefer the black and white version too. And the blur looks cool. Actualy I asked because I did the same kind of effect on my entry :)
Keep it up (and keep your job:deal: )
-IS-

stepington
08-12-2005, 12:13 AM
Boy - it seems I'm being out voted on yellows. I REALLY REALLY love the yellow. . . .
perhaps a compromise. . .

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/1861/blur5hk.png
Here's a ful resolution of the frame with blurs and all. . .

stepington
08-12-2005, 01:36 AM
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/7080/washed6yh.png
This was shot 24 hours ago on the beach. I had several shots of tequila for courage. But all it did was give me the courage to lay down. In the end I could only stomach about 11 seconds worth of the Alaskan current.

stepington
08-12-2005, 05:45 PM
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9545/jumpers1en.gif
Here's another shot involving a chase.
Trying to get a bit Chaplin in there.

igorsandman
08-12-2005, 06:34 PM
I love that sky. Great shot. Mate, I can't wait to see the final result. Your film is promissing, really.
Keep up the good work.
-IS-

stepington
08-13-2005, 01:36 PM
Thanks for posting comments about your piece, igor. Now to return the deed.

For this project I chiefly wanted to focus on a love for silent film. Turn of the century (20th) cinema has a remarkable ability to incite the awe of its original audience (at least for me anyway :love:). Also, whenever I think of themes of conflict or fighting - I tend to think of chaplin or the three stooges. I enjoy the use of flat still camera work in succession - a vaudeville quality in the action.


hmmmm . . . . influences. . .influences. . .
In the case of this project I'd have to say -

Charlie Chaplin - not his iconography so much as his body of work.

Windsor McKay - fun fun fun

Georges Melies - truely magical...he has the power to make me 5 years old without dumbing down his medium.

LUMIERE - the documentary/compilation called Lumiere (lumiere cam given to 40 contemporary directors)

Mikhail Bulgakov - his humanity and synicism stuck in a Beautiful ball of imagination - he was not a film maker but somehow when I read his novels I feel like he was.

Lucas's - THX-1138

NOTE -I mention these names as inspirations - and never as lofty self image:scream:. . .

Golly, there are so many. I could add nuances to this list forever.

Hinkle
08-13-2005, 01:47 PM
Great work , keep it up ! i can't wait to see the results. and i'm all for the yellow :)

igorsandman
08-14-2005, 03:32 PM
Hey,
Thanks for telling us about your inspirations on this film. This kind of commentary is a great idea. I think we should do it again in the future. It's very interesting.
Bye.
-IS-

stepington
08-14-2005, 03:56 PM
Lt.Hinkle - thanks for the encouragements and voting for yellow! The more I piece these shots together - the less I can imagine the film without it.:D

Igor Sandman - I agree, it's nice to analyze the self and turn the abstract impulses into something that's concrete and arguable. Also - it turns what could initially something out of left field into a more tangible 2 minutes for the viewers. I don't know if any of my listed inspirations will even be apparent in the final product - but at least they are fuel for thought.:blush:

ralia
08-15-2005, 03:43 AM
Where's your story board, che?

stepington
08-15-2005, 03:46 AM
Where's your story board, che?


I took it to the dining room table and ate it.

ralia
08-15-2005, 03:59 AM
:bounce: Eat! Yes, we must chew! Eat it all! Good for you, steph:love:

ZaKKoS
08-15-2005, 09:54 PM
good work steph!! I just found a lot of things i've already done and a lot that i want to do in your work (and in igor's one to be fair). A lot of inspiration! (for the yellow thing, I really love yellow but I think here is just a little too...er..."yellow", but I would definitely keep the basic hue just a little less strong).

in the little animation I noticed that there is a little vignetting but strangely it's a bit square. Is this wanted or an effect of the resize or another thing?
in the bigger frame (the one where you are lying on the shoreline) there is a lot of noise that is not monochrome i was wondering if you have added some.

stepington
08-15-2005, 10:46 PM
thanks, zakkos!

My girlfriend is in agreement with you. I for one love the saturation. But then again it could have a lot to do with my unhealthy fixation for coffee. . .

I'll try to tone it down a bit - but if I feel the slightest bit sad - then I'll probably keep it as is.

in the bigger frame (the one where you are lying on the shoreline) there is a lot of noise that is not monochrome i was wondering if you have added some.

yeah - that is my fault for putting grain in there after going to monochrome - I'll have to fix that.

Sorry you're taking this month off for the challenge - hope to see you here in September!

stepington
08-16-2005, 05:39 AM
bureaucracy attacks those who are to be evicted
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2782/paperworkattack6ph.gif

stepington
08-17-2005, 03:53 AM
Okay - the whole thing is shot - but here is the video S.B. any story critiques are welcome.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8596/shot1copy5cx.jpghttp://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6402/shot2copy4jx.jpg
shot 1 -Beaurocrat getting ready.....shot 2 - leaving the house...............

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2505/shot3copy2bv.jpghttp://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1085/shot4copy4ek.jpg
shot 3 - walking through the city......shot 4 - walking out of the city........

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2246/shot5copy7sc.jpghttp://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3476/shot6copy7dd.jpg
shot 5 - arriving to the shore...........shot 6 - taking it all in.....................

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5694/shot7copy2rv.jpghttp://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7428/shot8copy1pr.jpg
shot 7 - moving onward!.................shot 8 - Down to business...............

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4998/shot9copy9ft.jpghttp://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8846/shot10copy7lx.jpg
shot 9 - A man interupted...............shot 10 - Waiting patiently...............

stepington
08-17-2005, 03:59 AM
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2204/shot11copy5fu.jpghttp://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3020/shot12copy1te.jpg
shot 11 - who is it?........................shot 12 - Stating name and business.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7853/shot13copy2ck.jpghttp://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9774/shot14copy9gy.jpg
shot 13 - text (it's a silent film)........shot 14 - PoorMan reacts................

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8879/shot15copy1cd.jpghttp://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9575/shot16copy2md.jpg
shot 15 - A struggle ensues.............shot 16 - A chase ensues................

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/699/shot17copy9nt.jpghttp://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1673/shot18copy9es.jpg.......
shot 17 - Chase continues..............shot 18 PoorMan hits beaurocrat with stick.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9714/shot19copy0ig.jpghttp://img188.imageshack.us/img188/672/shot20copy1dl.jpg
shot 19 - Beaurocrat releases papers! shot 20 - Papers attack!................

stepington
08-17-2005, 04:22 AM
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/3839/shot21copy6we.jpg.....http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4185/shot22copy5hj.jpg
shot 21 - PoorMan is no match for paper....shot 22 - Chaos ensues

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8408/shot23copy1mf.jpghttp://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7792/shot24copy3sq.jpg
Shot 23 - Poorman is loosing............shot 24 - Poorman has a grim realization.

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1856/shot25copy7uu.jpghttp://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9824/shot26copy5ae.jpg
shot 25 - Death of the PoorMan.......shot 26 - Beaurocrat is triumphant....

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5550/shot27copy4oo.jpghttp://img188.imageshack.us/img188/994/shot28copy3kz.jpg
shot 27 - Even the dead get ticketed....shot 28 - beaurocracy turns on beaurocrat.

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6276/shot29copy8nl.jpg
shot 29 - Beach comber steals dead beaurocrat's shoes.

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1462/shot30copy1wv.jpg
shot 30 - ocean claims all.....

the end...

sergioKomic
08-17-2005, 10:42 AM
wow.... I m now sorry you didnt compete the last time....

NICE entry....

:shocked and awed avatar:

stepington
08-17-2005, 11:34 PM
thanks sergio! yeah - the giant film last month was too big a project to chew while trying to move across town. very regretful.

I'm still doing post on this month's film. Everything you see in the storyboard that's black and white still needs to be tinkered with.

I'm also doing sound at the moment - so I'll probably continue working on it right up until deadline.:rolleyes:

stepington
08-18-2005, 02:42 AM
here is an update. A teeny tiny image size - the sound is still kibber-wakki and alot of CG papers are yet to be animated. However, the pace and rythm of action is all there.

edit - link deleted

archerx
08-18-2005, 11:00 AM
WOW! you're movie is coming along really great! looks like you planned it very well.i really can't wait to see the final, but put a bit of red in that yellow, because the yellow makes it look repulsive. thats not an insult but just the effect that the colour has. but if you really want the yellow its your film :P

sergioKomic
08-18-2005, 11:38 AM
just wached your latest..

nicee shots you ve got there!!!

not so shure about the editing (pacing)
Id speed up some points and cut some others a bit faster.... (bridge, walks that short of stuff)
Id like to have seen some close ups during the fight.....

Overall GREAT!

stepington
08-18-2005, 03:00 PM
put a bit of red in that yellow, because the yellow makes it look repulsive. thats not an insult but just the effect that the colour has. but if you really want the yellow its your film

heh! yeah, it's the earwax effect. I'll tinker with less saturations - perhaps some reds.

not so shure about the editing (pacing)
Id speed up some points and cut some others a bit faster.... (bridge, walks that short of stuff)
Id like to have seen some close ups during the fight.....



gotcha, yeah - i wasn't really sure how "silent film" i wanted to be - for example in Metropolis you have a lot of really long static camera work - particularly during the panic scenes at the end. Caffinated performances in combination with slow camera work add to the surrealness of those aged great films (they were still used to the stage).

But i didn't really stick to that rule for many of the shots- so it probably comes across as slightly less planned and not very comfortable in its own skin.

I'll also tinker with the beaurocrat's approach to the shore.

thanks for the feedback!

stepington
08-18-2005, 10:19 PM
i updated the wip .mov file link with some tighter cuts and increased size to 320x240.
Sound still leaves a little to be desired. . .

sergioKomic
08-19-2005, 08:33 AM
thanks for the feedback!

Hey in my mind this is what Cgtalk is for...!

ZaKKoS
08-19-2005, 03:32 PM
Sorry you're taking this month off for the challenge - hope to see you here in September!
thank stephen i hope it too! if the equipment will be ok :cry:

heh! yeah, it's the earwax effect. giggle ^^

I really love how it flow between shot #18 & #19 (according to your sb)
BTW who is behind you(?) in shot #26 in the sb??:)

I still think you have a strange vignetting, i mean vignetting is ok, it's the way it looks that feel strange. Is somehow squared (in the inner part) and it moves as it is rotating.

The rest is ok for me, except the camera shadow :twisted: :p

stepington
08-19-2005, 04:01 PM
We were joking about that shot 26. My theory is that those are chimpanzees.

The vignetting is on purpose - you mean the falloff boarders? I wanted the image to feel like they are slides - and not really a lense effect. So the brighter center of the image is supposed feel like a projection bulb. I hope that answers your question.

Is somehow squared (in the inner part) and it moves as it is rotating.

I'm not sure I follow this question. . . .:blush:

ZaKKoS
08-19-2005, 04:29 PM
We were joking about that shot 26. My theory is that those are chimpanzees.

The vignetting is on purpose - you mean the falloff boarders? I wanted the image to feel like they are slides - and not really a lense effect. So the brighter center of the image is supposed feel like a projection bulb. I hope that answers your question.



I'm not sure I follow this question. . . .:blush:


I got the slide thing what i mean is that instead of a regular round vignette falloff you have a strange squared vignette. I don't know how you did it but normally this happens when you soften a rectangular mask rather than a circular one
http://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=78637&stc=1
square vignette

http://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=78638&stc=1
round vignette


this are exaggerated of course!

stepington
08-19-2005, 04:58 PM
Ah! Yes I actually used both.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1589/vignetting9py.gif
This is the animated map which I drew in Photoshop. For each shot I rendered one blury one.
The blurred image was then used with this animated map as an opacity map in 3DS max with the original unblurred shot on a plane beneath.


http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7886/example5qn.jpg
For the circular vignetting I simply put an omni light close to the center of the planes.
It's a lot less complicated than it sounds. I actualy enjoy using 3D geometries - it makes it very easy to make adjustments

stepington
08-20-2005, 12:38 AM
here's a vfx update - the sticky end for beaurocrat
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/2328/bdeath5re.gif

sergioKomic
08-22-2005, 11:00 AM
Thanx for the "know how" Step. !

stepington
08-24-2005, 01:37 AM
hello all,

I updated the WIP link on page 3. Added some previously cut shots and added a few SFX. I'm purposfully not adding much in the way of ambient sounds. Added red to the filter and yes, I'll admit, I like it more this way.:blush:

There may or may not be a musical score. Um, I still want to pick up a few more shots over the next couple of days. Unfortunately I won't be able to shoot any of them at the beach.



Thanx for the "know how" Step. !

No problem, sergio. Sharing means caring. . . :D

Any more critiques are appreciated from those that can stomach another viewing of this WIP.:)

thanks,
steph

stepington
08-31-2005, 12:14 AM
Whew! Finished! Posted the links on page one - slot one of this thread.

archerx
08-31-2005, 02:05 PM
wow i just saw your movie, its very cool and has tons of style, i like it ! :thumbsup:

sergioKomic
08-31-2005, 02:18 PM
mmm , I dont like the new title... It gives away the ending .....

stepington
08-31-2005, 04:46 PM
thaks, archer! it was fun. I feels good to actually finish this month.

sergio
lol - very true. We had to study the actual play "Death of a Salesman" in high school until we were blue in the face. That title struck me as soon as I changed the eviction into a chubby pig. So for you, my friend, the title is strictly "The Peculiar Salesman." :D

Thanks for watching and following along with this odd piece, guys!

sergioKomic
09-01-2005, 08:24 AM
No realy "the peculiar salesman" is a better title. Imagine american beauty called "LESTERS DEATH":deal: please please please change it......


As for the editing , its much better now, (id still tweak it here and there no biggies:love:)
The cut to white near the end is to quick (IMHO) Id make it "fade to white-fade to the ending" which would have a smoother result.

again great work...:bounce:

stepington
09-02-2005, 03:40 AM
Thanks for the kind words, sergio. It's nice to have encouragements!:)

Unfortunately the title is stuck. I rather like the title. True, the actual 2 minute minute film has absolutely nothing to do with the Arthur Miller's masterpiece. But I'm a sucker for cheap puns.



PS American Beauty does infact give away the ending within the first few lines of the film. But I must agree "Lester's Death" is an awful title. Unless it's the title of a children's book in which case I'd be the first to buy it! (I'm an Edward Gorey fan)

Kirt
09-03-2005, 07:21 AM
Just viewed all of the 2-minute film club films. Loved your entry Stephen! :thumbsup:

No crits from me. You win my vote in all categories! :D

stepington
09-03-2005, 07:30 AM
Gracias! I feel very flattered:blush: (blush-blush). Thanks for watching!

stepington
09-10-2005, 05:56 AM
thanks to sergioKomic, archerx, ZaKKoS, and IgorSandman!

you guys are helpful and sincere in your encouragements and advice. It's too bad we don't live in the same city - we could chat over a beer or a cup of joe. :lightbulb or a plate of prawns. . .

hope to see you guys and lots of others on the next challenge. . . .

-steph

igorsandman
09-10-2005, 09:10 AM
Congrats. Deserved victory.

-IS-

archerx
09-11-2005, 12:27 PM
way to go man!

Martin. T
09-11-2005, 04:27 PM
cool film, to bad i cant say i understand it =)

i have this technical question, that industrial landscape outside the window. i suppose you have made some sort of matte painting from existing photos, or something like that? what i wonder is how you got it to stay behind the walking man, how did you mask that?

regards
-Martin T

stepington
09-11-2005, 09:19 PM
what i wonder is how you got it to stay behind the walking man, how did you mask that?

what i did was use a photo of Portland's BEAUTIFUL waterfront. and then cut out the shape of my front porch which i then used to paste over the frames in photoshop (eeasy to do since the camera was on a tripod.) As for putting it behind the man - i had to roll up my sleeves and get down and dirty with the erasure tool. Fortunately at 15 fps it's not as tedious as it could be at 30 or 29.97fps. So I only had to do that for 30 frames or so. I really ought to invest in After Effects.

I've done really stupid things like cut out 400 frame shots before - it makes your face kind of slide to the left - then you start to snap at loved ones-bad things happen when one does that sort of thing.

mosconariz
10-10-2005, 07:03 PM
Great short! I've watched it again and again, amazing!

stepington
10-11-2005, 05:09 AM
Thanks, man! I often worry about annoying the audience - :)

And thanks to Roberto for extending the deadline!

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