CGTalk - Character: Human's eye

JacquesD

10-28-2002, 01:14 PM

That's pretty good syomka, as usual.
If I may something, I'd would say that compare with the photo below:

1: I would break up the specular a bit.
2: Eyebrows don't seem to stick to the skin in that area.

http://users.skynet.be/fa009830/Eye_comp.jpg

Once again, that IMHO. :)

keep on the great work.

mastering3d

10-28-2002, 01:15 PM

Now that is amazingly real.I love it ,now see if you can make the rest of the model look this good..

Good luck.

mute_bear

10-28-2002, 04:53 PM

wow.... may i know how to do the texture:eek: :thumbsup: :applause: :bounce:

Reality3D

10-28-2002, 07:24 PM

Eyelashes are done one by one with primitives ?. Eyebrows with the same method or bitmap?. Very cool! :thumbsup:

syomka

10-28-2002, 09:56 PM

I used Shag Hair to create eyelashes and eyebrow.

syomka

10-28-2002, 10:11 PM

To The Ripper
Yes, There is still more work.
I'll try improve it later.

banzato

10-28-2002, 11:28 PM

I think the result is fantastic, dont try to make like the reality, try to give the sensation of you want pass.
I prefer the 3d eye intead the picture.
I would like to see oder parts of the face.
Good work

flamedevil

10-28-2002, 11:43 PM

Very beautiful work man !!
Those pictures are awesome !!
Great job !

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Davorell

10-28-2002, 11:54 PM

Brilliant work Peter. :thumbsup:
Cant give any crits except It does look a little clean in comparison to the real eye in the rippers post.
mabey its just that your model is a little bit more hygienic and less tabacco stained around the eyes than the real one :rolleyes:

Can you tell me, is there an actual chamfered ridge built to create the tear line between the eyeball and the skin?
always wondered if the photo-realists went that far for details?
(and I remember somone criting the level of detail you put into one of your models nostrils):applause:

Tellerve

10-29-2002, 12:29 AM

Great job, very nice eye. I would agree with Ripper and add that the skin around the eyebrow looks a little off to me. Almost like there is too much base makeup on it or something.

But by and large just awesome!

Tellerve

Stonepilot

10-29-2002, 12:33 AM

Dude, this stuff is just freakin amazing. I can only hope to one day accomplish the same.
Oh yeah and I would have to agree with the little tiny specular that you can't really notice on the tear dock. And the way the eyebrows don't stick to the skin cause its so noticeable. Jesus.

Dude its freaking nice.

facial

10-29-2002, 12:36 AM

This is the best image about eyes i never see before,:buttrock:
Well done, You website also great.:thumbsup:

bored alien

10-29-2002, 06:29 AM

Is this eye on your Anna model? If so I'd love to see an updated pic of the whole head! (Might help with some eye crits too to see them in context.) Anyway, great work! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Mamimi

10-29-2002, 06:32 AM

You are the MASTER!! *bows* :buttrock:

Nikodemus

10-29-2002, 06:37 AM

awesome eyes man! :cool:
one question tho: arent plugin like shaghair expensive? how can you guys afford that and renderers and other things... i only certain programs at discount because i am a student. but i cant get plugins ...
anyway ... great work :thumbsup:

SILMAETH

10-29-2002, 08:31 AM

this is impressive!
the only real crits is about the too strong specular like it was already said.
by the way as I am also working presently on eylashes and eyebrows with shag hair, I would like to know if u used only shag hair or did you also tried with shag fur?
I personnaly used shag fur with vectors for the eyelashes and I am planning to use shag hair for the eyebrows because of the more complex structure of it. Could you give me your opinion?
thanks

10-29-2002, 09:31 AM

very realistic work. Can't wait to see the whole anna head textured and all. Cheers!

Wiro

10-29-2002, 09:45 AM

Woooahhh. I got nothing to complain about concerning the shape of the eye now...really stunning! Much nicer than before.

I do aggree that the speculars could be a bit lower, especially on the eyes themselves but that depends on the scene later on I guess. Great stuff.

Could you please put up a picture of the whole head as it is now?

Wiro

playmesumch00ns

10-29-2002, 09:47 AM

Looks beautiful man. I agree with everyone else about the skin being a bit oily, the only thing I'd add is that in the lower images, if it was that bright, her pupil would be itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny. Otherwise, amazing work!:applause:

derErschaffer

10-29-2002, 10:12 AM

WOW...damn cool eyes....:applause:

psil

10-29-2002, 10:49 AM

top notch stuff (no surprise there)

Can I repeat Davorel's question about the tear line between bottom lid and eyeball ? geometry or texture?

HapZungLam

10-29-2002, 12:42 PM

you ask us to critique, but your thing is 99.99999999 perfect. i agree with the spec lvl. Also, for the skin shader, it also can lower just a tiny but of specular on the folding areas. And the bump... ahhh, i just feel it is okay but if you tune it donn just a little bit will be great.

or it is because of the specular lvl. hum.. Now, she is like putting on lotions. it works great if you want to make her like that. Since women do wear lotions all the time. but the skin i have is a little dryer.

jason-slab

10-29-2002, 01:07 PM

:surprised
when i saw the image on cgtalk home, i thought it was something to do with FF

amazing work

|jason

Doogie

10-29-2002, 01:23 PM

Brilliant work as usual. Props to you.

crits include the end of the eyebrow as mentioned. Also, the pink color of the tear duct and inside of the lid seams too "pure" of a color. Unless you are going for a "Pinup Girl" look.

Finally, on the third image around the eyebrow it looks like the bump texture is stretching.

As for the eyeball itself... Amazingly done

I think the spec around the base of the eyesocket is correct. Especially late in the day oil builds up there.

Raul-Reznek

10-29-2002, 01:24 PM

VERY GOOD!

Hmmm...this eye reminds me of of the eye I made for my site.
Hope u don't mind if i post an image
http://www.3dclub.biz/Raul/ochi/10.jpg

derelict

10-29-2002, 02:51 PM

my demi-god of cg human!

ooooomm! oooooommmmm!

createfly

10-29-2002, 03:00 PM

oh!! good good! i think you are god!maybe you will give me more:thumbsup:

animalunae

10-29-2002, 03:54 PM

Perfect as usual, they really look a lot better. Perhaps you could help us out and share your knowledge by writing a tutorial wich covers detailed texture creation, I've got it very hard, creating detailed textures and my attributes hardly are mapped and when they are it's poor...as you can see in my Jade. (<---)

slaughters

10-29-2002, 04:13 PM

The specular in the tear ducts looks fine, but on the skin underneath the tear ducts it looks a little too shiny.

In the lower right hand corner image the skin looks a little high in spec also.

(I aplogize it this has been said all ready, as I only read the first page of comments before replying)

paconavarro

10-29-2002, 05:32 PM

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

AWESOME

coboman

10-29-2002, 06:00 PM

Very impressive work, the attention to detail and the realism of your models is beyond my understanding.
That is why I must ask (I know some of them are trade secrets, but maybe you could give us a hint): Can you post a wireframe to see all the underlying structure? I am wondering, as others here, if the tear line is modeled. And if the corner of the eye is a different geometry.

And the bump map. How do you get all those subtle wrinkles? With brushes from photoshop?

Any info will be appreciated by all of us.:love:

Toeng.com

10-29-2002, 08:07 PM

Damn ... those are nice eyes ... job well done :) :applause:

syomka

10-29-2002, 08:26 PM

Thank you for reply, guys.
Now I'm going to France. I'll be back in a week.
I'll try to reply to all your questions.

spakman

10-29-2002, 09:34 PM

I have a hard time judging it out of context. I'd like to see the rest of the face.

rayz

10-29-2002, 09:40 PM

very impressive...........:applause:

SPIDER2544

10-29-2002, 11:05 PM

if you ask me i would say the the specular is to high around the inside of the eye near the tier duckt

but other than that this is the best eye i have seen since aki

spakman

10-29-2002, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by SPIDER2544
but other than that this is the best eye i have seen since aki

I'm not trying to be harsh here, but comparing an eye to an eye with a whole face for context is kind of generous.

just my .02

SILMAETH

10-30-2002, 01:41 AM

"Now I'm going to France. I'll be back in a week."

heh! that's really cool from you for coming answer me at home !

;) ;) ;) :beer: ;) ;) ;)

rafiadrian

10-30-2002, 02:49 AM

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :scream:

Pleasssseee make the tutorial like Michael Roger
we wait for your worth lesson , Commander :scream:

specially that Eyelash and eyebrow in Max or Maya

so far still can't understand 4 me to make that:hmm:

Wait for your full finished character master:thumbsup:

RAZ :beer:

LordShaitan

10-30-2002, 06:02 AM

Still looking good syomka, Im not really fond of the renders on the bottom. I dont see much from the Spiraloid forums. I have no complaints other then the specular maps around the eyes.

hiko_

10-30-2002, 08:14 AM

I love your works syomka ...
It's the most impressive cg human i have seen !
Take good time at camerberg's country :)

beefcake

10-30-2002, 10:01 AM

You are just... i have no words! amazing work! :-)

But there's something about the colours that makes it less photorealistic...

photorealistic humans in 3d is quite difficult, what about going black/white?

http://www.storedyret.com/iB_html/uploads/post-5-76410-eye_remix.jpg

Xpressions

10-30-2002, 11:58 AM

Wow, that be one of the best CG eyes I've seen. Just amazing. the only thing that seems a little odd to me is the specular on the skin. It's a wee bit too bright for me, but heck, still outstanding work...

Regards, Dave

JacquesD

10-30-2002, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by beefcake
You are just... i have no words! amazing work! :-)

But there's something about the colours that makes it less photorealistic...

photorealistic humans in 3d is quite difficult, what about going black/white?

http://www.storedyret.com/iB_html/uploads/post-5-76410-eye_remix.jpg

I don't think that black/white would be a solution, I think the problem comes from the saturation and the color tone of the skin, here's a test I did in 2 minutes:
http://users.skynet.be/fa009830/EyeComp_a.jpg

It's not perfect of course but I'm sure that with some tweakings Syomka will get a better result.

mickatt

10-30-2002, 04:40 PM

yeah another great work syomka !!!!

but the ripper and beefcake have a good answer to your thread...
I hope I can see a black and white screen shot...

where in france are you comin'...??

HapZungLam

10-30-2002, 04:47 PM

i don't have a problem with saturation. Since alot of photographs love to put future onto their camera to make mode's colour super reach, bright.

Luke Werhli

10-30-2002, 06:41 PM

Yeah...

This eye is ssuuuuper dupa sexy. I would date the girl.

Somkia, can you please explain us how you achieved this?

Nicool

10-30-2002, 07:54 PM

I'm totaly desapointed....

URI::G

10-30-2002, 08:17 PM

truly inspiring. Love those eyelashes.

erikals

10-31-2002, 01:46 AM

Awesome work Syomka, your'e the best... : )
I'm not sure if you meant to make it look photorealistic. I really like it the way it is, it has a 3D "look". However if you tried to achive photorealism, I think that "Beefcake" and "The Ripper have some good points. Because skin is translucent, it's practically impossible to make it look photorealistic. (There are some beta-render progs out there though). I'm not sure, but I think that the skin is more redish at places where there are wrinkles also that it's more red around the eyes because of the blood (that's why internet surfers are red/blue around the eyes :). Also, I think some areas on the face get yellow because of the fatlayer under the skin (people actually have that) where there are fewer bloodstreams. (Happens especially when people get cold). Because of the extremly complecated colorstructure on the face, it's very difficult to replicate it, that's why black and white 3D pictures look so much better. Also, because of anti-aliasing or "low"-res bump maps, the wrinkles on the skin often look to soft. (though it could also be a photo retouching issue).

Note much of this goes for people with white skin, when having darker skin the colortones change.

Attaching a modified picture from "The Ripper"

You did some great work, especially glad that you took the time to make the edge of the eyelid more "hard". Many people make it too round, probably because of the SubDivision technique issue.

Any chance we'll see a wire-frame on this? Please :)

Sp7777

10-31-2002, 02:37 AM

Perhaps its my ignorance, but isnt Shag Hair a Max only plug-in?
You said you made it in Maya.

ramzes

10-31-2002, 05:12 AM

like some eyes I have seen before

SILMAETH

10-31-2002, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by Sp7777
Perhaps its my ignorance, but isnt Shag Hair a Max only plug-in?
You said you made it in Maya.

He said that he modeled it in Maya but rendered it with VRAY, so within Max as Vray is a max only plug too. so I guess he does the shag hair part in max
;)

syomka

11-17-2002, 09:40 PM

Thanks all for your advices.
I'll improve some places in the eye.
A week ago I came back from sci-fi festival. It was in Nantes (France).
I had a good time there, met a lot of wonderful people. France is a beautiful country.
In the nearest future I'll update my homepage and I'll put some photos from this festival.
Thanks all for hospitality, especially to Olivier Müller and Laurent Davené.

Davorell
psil
The tear line between bottom eyelid and eyeball is a polygonal model.

bored alien
Wiro
banzato
This eye is a self-dependent model. It was created for close up animation.
Model of Anna I'll update soon.

SILMAETH
Shag Hair is more controlled. It is my opinion.

solidgrafi
Luke Werhli
This model I made very simple -- polygon by polygon with some reference.
Perhaps I'll make tutorial of the Eye in the nearest future.

erikals
coboman
We can see some wireframe images there:
http://www.3dluvr.com/syomka/anna/eye/Eyewire1.jpg
http://www.3dluvr.com/syomka/anna/eye/Eyewire2.jpg
And maps:
http://www.3dluvr.com/syomka/anna/eye/mapcolor.jpg
http://www.3dluvr.com/syomka/anna/eye/mapbump.jpg
http://www.3dluvr.com/syomka/anna/eye/mapspecular.jpg

coboman

11-19-2002, 04:43 PM

THANK YOU! Very useful information.

One question: I notice in the wireframes that you didn't use any vertice weights. Why not?

Thanks again, you are the man.

P.S. (If anybody else in this thread would give me their opinion of why nobody seems to use vertice weights I'll appreciate it too)

blasphemy3_d

11-19-2002, 04:57 PM

syomka, the eye looks perfect to me. I thought it was one Final Fantasy eye first time I saw.

5 stars to you!

madguru

11-21-2002, 07:00 PM

Great work! I was wondering if you could post an image of the splines you used for doing the eyelashes and eyebrows as well as the density maps etc for them, or perhaps some tips etc.

Thanks!

-Adnan

Seven

11-21-2002, 11:42 PM

syomka thanx alot, that is extremely useful for, well everyone :)

Are the maps taken from photos or painted in PS ?

Again thanx

Sevv

FranckSitbon

11-24-2002, 08:25 AM

as usuall really amazing!!!!
bravo!!!!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
Ive put ur pics in my inspiration folder
thank you so much

fr3drik

11-24-2002, 02:41 PM

:bowdown:

Parasite

11-24-2002, 03:32 PM

Absolutely amazing...
but I can't understand the four stars... this eye is FIVE stars for me...

empleh

11-24-2002, 05:07 PM

Hi syomka,
Beautiful work. Were you inspired by Milla Jovovich in "Resident Evil"? I saw the movie a few nights ago and there is a closeup on her eye that is stuningly close to your version. I had to look up this thread right then and compare the two. If not, you should take a look at the film.

Anyway, thanks for sharing. I look forward to seeing more of your work.

ww

viper11885

11-24-2002, 06:23 PM

wow, that is a truely beautiful piece of art !! ;)

very nice..

tomb

11-25-2002, 11:04 PM

Amazing work Syomka! This is definitely the most accurate and beautiful eye I¡¯ve ever seen made with 1s and 0s. :love:

I saw other people posting really de-saturated and dull-looking post processes on your eye. I think it needs a little de-saturation and curve alteration to make it photo real but just a little. Take a look below:

sumpm1

11-26-2002, 01:27 AM

looks awesome, along with every other piece of work that I have seen from you. the only crit that i have is that the specular seems very strong in some of the images. It is probably the light that you used for viewing. The eye lashes and eyebrows are stunning. I think we all strive for this level of work.

Cam

11-30-2002, 03:19 AM

DAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! holy $hit that's awesome man. How did you know what lines to put where on the bump map? studied eyes or just guessed and it turned out awesome. I'm doin an eye too and wanted to know how to make the bump maps? wasn't sure because just noise in photoshop makes it suck even more but man that's awesome!!!! how did you do it?

The Magic Pen

11-30-2002, 04:18 AM

Man very realistic work ... I doubt anyone outside of 3D would know it was not a real eye ..:thumbsup:

XerC

11-30-2002, 04:00 PM

I totally agree with The Magic Pen. Your work really is stunning. And even for experienced 3d software users it's kind of hard to figure out, what does not look like a photograph in these pictures.

Adorable stuff! 5 Stars! :bowdown:

piajartist

11-30-2002, 11:17 PM

The eye is a great piece, maybe if she had a small blemish, like a small pimple or a red or white discoloration it would kick it up a notch,

florizal

12-09-2002, 03:26 PM

Very nice eye
good mapping too. It is nice to see some digital paint look that good
as compared to FF those maps are oil painted traditionally then scanned
With a custom shader written to provide additional bump mapping to the pores as I have read in a article a while back

To coboman..
I am not to familiar with vertice weights but have used it a bit in one extent.."one time" =|

I think you could only find more animated control from them than anything