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RobertoOrtiz
07-19-2005, 07:48 PM
Ok I have picked the winners
based on a POPULAR vote

WANNA JOIN THE NEXT 2 Minute film Club?
Click the thread below!:

2-MINUTE FILM CLUB!:Challenge:2 "The fight" (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=261978)

Lets see the current winners



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POPULAR VOTING
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Best Visual Effects
archerx!
http://www.archerx.com/Stuff/shot6%20test.jpg

Animation: http://www.archerx.com/Stuff/OlivierArcher_2-minfilmclub-chase.wmv (http://www.archerx.com/Stuff/OlivierArcher_2-minfilmclub-chase.wmv) (made in 3d max, rendered in vray (no gi) and premiere)


Thread: http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251386&page=1&pp=20 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251386&page=1&pp=20)


And in the voting cathegories;

A SWEEP!


Best Cinematography
Best Storyline
Best Editing

<LI>Best Overall Entry


AND THE winner!
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/2mnclubcup.jpg
Best Overall ENTRY!:
http://www.lavendettadimanno.com/cgtalk/Still.png

ZaKKoS!
Animation: http://www.lavendettadimanno.com/cgtalk/VALERIO_S_2MINUTE_FILM_CLUB(720x360).mov (http://www.lavendettadimanno.com/cgtalk/VALERIO_S_2MINUTE_FILM_CLUB(720x360).mov) (QuickTime Sorenson 3 (720x360 - 170Mb))



Thread: http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=253650 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=253650)

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First I would like to thank Sam Chen for his support and his ideas!

Click on the thread below here are the Rules for the current challenge:

2-MINUTE FILM CLUB!:Challenge:1 The Big "Chase" (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=248547)

Ok here we go time to vote, please pick what you believe
is the best entry for each category:



Best Cinematography
Best Storyline
Best Editing
Best Visual Effects
Best Overall Entry
Go to the voting thread HERE: http://kvaalen.com/cgtalk/2minfilm/index.php


and come back here to tell us what you thought of the entries!
(And keep this in mind, SMALLER VERSIONS of the films are usually posted within the WIP threads. )


(Thanks to Samuel Kvaalen for developing the voting page!)


I'll post the results next week along with the next topic.

-R

PS HolyJoe I had to go forward, ill make it up to you soon.

troyer
07-19-2005, 10:25 PM
The mov file from Igor Sandman crashes with my Quicktime 7 Player, the ideatheft mov file just has sound but no video. Maybe it's my Quicktime player but all the other mov files I've got work fine. Steve Sherrin's mov file works well too.

sadghost
07-19-2005, 11:40 PM
some links don't work

RobertoOrtiz
07-20-2005, 01:46 AM
some links don't workWhich ones?
There might be bandwith problems.

-R

nwebb
07-20-2005, 03:19 AM
Just click the links and watch the movies in your browser. That's the only way i could get some of them to work for some reason.

Nate

ZaKKoS
07-20-2005, 11:45 AM
The mov file from Igor Sandman crashes with my Quicktime 7 Player
It crashes with mine too...just watch it online or with another player (like vlc)

the ideatheft mov file just has sound but no video.
same problem here. I think it's the os codec that is broken but if you download the latest .mov from sergio's wip thread it should work (at least it worked for me)


BTW who see the shorts can post c/c on them? we are starving for feedbacks!

jammin
07-20-2005, 09:23 PM
i've been posting feedback (if any) to the original WIP thread.

what is up with entries #5 and #10 on the voting page (re: no info)? does this mean there were only 8 finished entries? i was expecting more but since i didn't finish, i feel guilty saying too much about it. does anyone have any thought on why there weren't more entries?

for me, this exercise, and the finished entries, stressed the importance of using an animatic. it has become clearer to me that establishing story, camera angles, pacing, mood, even lighting and overall element integration (relationships between characters, sets, SFX, etc.) is so important, and so much easier to do using storyboards and quick sketches -as opposed to just winging it and hoping something cool lturns out.

in my opinion, this also backs up what scott harris mentioned in one of his posts regarding the benefits of going from animatic, to a low poly 'skeleton' version, to a gradually 'beefed up' version to a finished piece; you always have a 'finished' piece that you can continue to show and get feedback on at basically every stage of the production (kinda like keyframing with a pose to pose or hybrid method instead of straight ahead animation).

it's no wonder that's how the pros generally do it; i hope i can remember to utilize this method more often in my own work.

ZaKKoS
07-20-2005, 09:48 PM
i've been posting feedback (if any) to the original WIP thread.

what is up with entries #5 and #10 on the voting page (re: no info)? does this mean there were only 8 finished entries? i was expecting more but since i didn't finish, i feel guilty saying too much about it. does anyone have any thought on why there weren't more entries?

it's ok to post comments on the wip thread for me, my message was for the ones who don't say a thing, good or bad, on the shorts. I know a lot of "errors" in my entry but people with different sensibility may find different meanings or flaws.

the final entries are only 7 and i think that there are not more because this is the first time and most people were doing not live action which is probably easier or faster. Also a lot of people didn't even tried to make something except of saying that they had surely partecipated. So you think that you'll find a lot of works but in the end...from the original discussion i can remember only Igor Sandman and SergioKomic.

jammin
07-21-2005, 06:15 AM
yeah, it's too bad when people don't leave a comment but sometimes it's just difficult to find something constructive to say...

Inchiology
07-22-2005, 01:22 AM
Why does everyone have to use a gun? Sad, we have lost the essence of film making.

ZaKKoS
07-22-2005, 04:00 AM
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE! Tell us what is the essence of film making!

Inchiology
07-22-2005, 04:07 AM
Wow very hostile. Is one of them your entry? Well at the Savannah College of art and Design we are not allowed to use gun or have car chase scenes. That really pushes our creativity and helps us avoid the normal means of entertaiment.

Sorry if I offended you.

edit: thanx for editing the post.

ZaKKoS
07-22-2005, 04:34 AM
Wow very hostile. Is one of them your entry? Well at the Savannah College of art and Design we are not allowed to use gun or have car chase scenes. That really pushes our creativity and helps us avoid the normal means of entertaiment.
1)Yes one of the entries is mine, it have a gun in it and I really can't make a link between a gun and the "essence of film making" since one aspect of the "essence of film making" for me is to use what is needed to get the film done. If I have to make a movie about pirates probably I should get a vessel don't you think?
Imagine this:

A potential client come to you and ask for a car chase with a gunfight
you say: "hey man, guns kills the essence of film making. Where I studied they don't allowed us to use them"
He says: "bang, you're fired"

2)You came here and simply dropped your line without anything constructive to say. Not to mention that, as I said in the edited post, 5 out of 7 entries don't have guns in them!


Sorry if I offended you.
You haven't offended me. With your statement you made yourself ridiculous. It seemed that you were the master of all film maker that came to the earth to give us all your wise.

edit: thanx for editing the post.
Sometimes i'm too impulsive:blush:

I ask another time because with a peaceful talk we can get important things:
For you what is the essence of film making?

Joviex
07-22-2005, 05:09 AM
Sometimes i'm too impulsive:blush:

I ask another time because with a peaceful talk we can get important things:
For you what is the essence of film making?

And I think you may have missed the point of his comment.

Basically the challange was to pull off a chase sequence. Since 90% of these do the samething.... "Chase sequence? O then someone must have a gun on the chase-e!" I can see what he means by the essence of filmmaking.

I absolutely agree with your statements that the right tool for the right job. The challange here though, or so I believe it to be, is to think outside the box when it comes to telling a "story" within the guidelines of the topic without having to resort to gimmicks and cliche devices.

A chase scene could have easily been someone leaving a bank and maybe someone follows them outside. They try to catch the person to give them something they dropped in the bank, but the person is paranoid and doesn't know it would be an innocent encounter and thus their paranoia drives them to run down alleys, through traffic, across a highway, through crowds of people, etc....

The filmmakers job would then be to convey the story of this persons mis-understanding of the situation using the visual emotions of fear and paranoia which would lead us into the short story of "The Chase".

This is not to say that using guns, or fast car chases would be out of the question. Obviously if the story warrants those particulars, then of course.

But I have to agree I was looking at this mini-challange with interest to see more creative and original ideas rather than what mega-wood already has a plenty.

sergioKomic
07-22-2005, 09:16 AM
There's chair chase scenes aplenty in hollywood?

Wow......

And here I thought it would be a hillarious-original idea.....
.....I must be losing it....

ZaKKoS
07-22-2005, 01:11 PM
And I think you may have missed the point of his comment.

Basically the challange was to pull off a chase sequence. Since 90% of these do the samething.... "Chase sequence? O then someone must have a gun on the chase-e!" I can see what he means by the essence of filmmaking.
Stereotypes are useful when you have to let a lot of people understand the same thing but this apart what made me angry was HOW he (have not) told his opinion.
I absolutely agree with your statements that the right tool for the right job. The challange here though, or so I believe it to be, is to think outside the box when it comes to telling a "story" within the guidelines of the topic without having to resort to gimmicks and cliche devices.But I have to agree I was looking at this mini-challange with interest to see more creative and original ideas rather than what mega-wood already has a plenty.
Probably this is the point. I have not searched for originality. I have searched for standards. I've not already mastered what I want to do so before going for something completely out of the rules I try to do things like the ones who know how to do them and as I've already said I knew that our story is not original but if you look at the entries only 2 have guns and mine only is a chase like the one you can see in an action movie. Sergio said well, not a lot of chair chase in hollywood and how many trolls crushed by a girl on a couch have you seen recently? This guy took 2 out of 7 shorts and made a generalization that for me is not fair.
A chase scene could have easily been someone leaving a bank and maybe someone follows them outside. They try to catch the person to give them something they dropped in the bank, but the person is paranoid and doesn't know it would be an innocent encounter and thus their paranoia drives them to run down alleys, through traffic, across a highway, through crowds of people, etc....
Hey this is a good story! We did something similar in a videoclip here.
The filmmakers job would then be to convey the story of this persons mis-understanding of the situation using the visual emotions of fear and paranoia which would lead us into the short story of "The Chase".
This is not to say that using guns, or fast car chases would be out of the question. Obviously if the story warrants those particulars, then of course.
I totally agree with you.

Velk
07-22-2005, 03:59 PM
The challange here though, or so I believe it to be, is to think outside the box when it comes to telling a "story" within the guidelines of the topic without having to resort to gimmicks and cliche devices.
The challenge here was to learn. Learn what works and what doesn't, learn how to tell a story, learn how to use the different tools. I would guess that most film makers started out by emulating others before they "stretched the envelope". I'm planning on entering the next challenge *crosses fingers* and would like to see healthy crits on the story, not sweeping generalizations like "dude your main character was wearing sandles and that is so cliche so don't ever do it..." Good crits include what were perceived strengths (and praise), perceived weaknesses/flaw (harsh if need be), a possible solution to the weakness/flaw, then finish up with an overview of the project (normally on a positive note).
This is not a feel good strategy, rather it is a conduit for learning and open dialog; frankly I'm surprised if people attending places like SCAD and VFS aren't learning this.

The essence of filmmaking is to tell a story, if they did that then the essence is not lost.

HolyJoe
07-22-2005, 05:41 PM
Well I thought the contest was loads of fun. I like all the entries as well.

Guns in film!.... I'll have some.

Car Chase?.....Heck yes!

Why not just get rid of violence all together. That would make for some pretty sweet movies.

NOT!

Elements like these exist to make things interesting. Hows else do you tell the story in an action movie.

Do you think Lord of the Rings would have been better if the Hobbits sat down with Sauron and talk about one anothers feelings, then hugged at the end. Nope!

Any great story needs action to pick up the mood. Even if the action is just 2 minutes long.

So in closing I'd like to say that the 2 Minute Film Club "Rocks":buttrock:
With or without guns.:wise:

Jeepy
07-22-2005, 09:14 PM
Congratulations everybody... you all did a great job.

It's too bad I did not had the time to participate. I'll probable jump in the next chalenge!

Regarding the gun thingy... With or without... a movie is a freakin' movie and we should respect the creators. If you don't like it... don't watch it... it's pretty simple!

Cheers!

AstroSanchezz
07-23-2005, 05:53 AM
2min film club = good idea.. good challenge and good films!
and yeah same here wish i couldve gotten in this one...cant wait til the next one, i'm not so busy this time :D

Colincsl
07-24-2005, 03:33 AM
I wish I had time to do one. I was planning to with one of my friends, but unfortunately he was always busy or didn't feel like it. We're going to try to do one for the next contest though.

RobertoOrtiz
07-26-2005, 06:48 AM
Ok I have picked the winners
based on a POPULAR vote

WANNA JOIN THE NEXT 2 Minute film Club?
Click the thread below!:

2-MINUTE FILM CLUB!:Challenge:2 "The fight" (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=261978)

Lets see the current winners



__________________________________________________


POPULAR VOTING
__________________________________________________

Best Visual Effects
archerx!
http://www.archerx.com/Stuff/shot6%20test.jpg

Animation: http://www.archerx.com/Stuff/OlivierArcher_2-minfilmclub-chase.wmv (http://www.archerx.com/Stuff/OlivierArcher_2-minfilmclub-chase.wmv) (made in 3d max, rendered in vray (no gi) and premiere)


Thread: http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251386&page=1&pp=20 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251386&page=1&pp=20)


And in the voting cathegories;

A SWEEP!


Best Cinematography
Best Storyline
Best Editing

<LI>Best Overall Entry


AND THE winner!
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/2mnclubcup.jpg
Best Overall ENTRY!:
http://www.lavendettadimanno.com/cgtalk/Still.png

ZaKKoS!
Animation: http://www.lavendettadimanno.com/cgtalk/VALERIO_S_2MINUTE_FILM_CLUB(720x360).mov (http://www.lavendettadimanno.com/cgtalk/VALERIO_S_2MINUTE_FILM_CLUB(720x360).mov) (QuickTime Sorenson 3 (720x360 - 170Mb))



Thread: http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=253650 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=253650)

Rega
07-26-2005, 11:34 AM
The archerx animation is pretty cool ^^ I know it isn't perfect (nothing is right?) but a couple of things seem a little off. I don't know how to describe it but a couple of little things didn't seem right. Was very cool anyway :)

As for the ZaKKoS animation, i well want to see it but there seems to be bandwidth issues. I'm on 1Mb broadband and I'm getting a speed of 0.2Kb/s a second. :s Firefox says it's gonna take another 200 or so hours to download the whole thing...

Is there any chance it can be hosted here, even temporarily, because i so wanna see this and don't want to wait 200 hours for it!

Thanks ^^

ZaKKoS
07-26-2005, 11:59 AM
OMG! I just woke up and I saw this...I'm excited I really don't know what to say!
We'll prepare something for this, expect something on this thread on the next days from us!

Thank you all. Really...maybe later I'll write something more :) Thank you thank you thank you!

ZaKKoS
07-26-2005, 12:22 PM
As for the ZaKKoS animation, i well want to see it but there seems to be bandwidth issues. I'm on 1Mb broadband and I'm getting a speed of 0.2Kb/s a second. :s Firefox says it's gonna take another 200 or so hours to download the whole thing...

I noticed that. Probably our server can't handle this amount of downloads

Is there any chance it can be hosted here, even temporarily, because i so wanna see this and don't want to wait 200 hours for it!

Thanks ^^

If anyone can mirror it (or the small one) for a while i'll be glad to him/her forever! On the website www.lavendettadimanno.com/cgtalk there is also a 50Mb version. I'm sorry for these problems :(

The site is slow too so wait for it to load. I try to upload a version with a preloader (the one which is online don't have it because it was so light i thought it was useless...)

On my site you find a goof (download section). I ask to everyone who made "live action" to post some goofs they have made, it should be funny :D

alexfalchi
07-26-2005, 01:45 PM
non posso vedere il film:(

I can't see the film:(

Alex.

ZaKKoS
07-26-2005, 02:49 PM
Mi spiace alex...sto cercando una soluzione al problema ma purtroppo non trovo nessuno che possa ospitare i files :( i servizi di hosting gratuito hanno delle limitazioni sulla dimensione dei files e al momento farne una versione pių leggera mi č impossibile...
------------------------------------
Temporary solution available in 15 minutes from now (16:00 GMT +2)
www.supermd.it/cgtalk

please download the small version (360x180 49Mb QT sorenson 3)

alexfalchi
07-26-2005, 03:01 PM
Bravo lo hai trovato!!:)

please PM to me, mate!! I will happy to help you:)

ZaKKoS
07-26-2005, 03:27 PM
Temporary solution
www.supermd.it/cgtalk (http://www.supermd.it/cgtalk)

please download the small version (360x180 49Mb QT sorenson 3)

archerx
07-26-2005, 04:32 PM
Wow cool! Today is a good day for me ! :buttrock: congrats Zakkos you deserved it!


about the bandwidth problems i suggest everyone save their movies as .wmv, anyone with a windows computer will be able to open it (im not sure about macs) and file sizes are way smaller, like mine was 10mbs .wmv and 150mb .mov.

alexfalchi
07-26-2005, 04:51 PM
well and good time for me:)

very cool work mate!! interessing concept!! and big fantasy in your mind!!:thumbsup:

regards.
Alex.

supermd
07-26-2005, 05:02 PM
Thanks to all! Bye, the editor of short... http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon7.gif

ZaKKoS
07-26-2005, 05:24 PM
Wow cool! Today is a good day for me ! :buttrock: congrats Zakkos you deserved it!

Thank olivier! and congratulations to you too! (look at your PMs)

Grazie alex, sono contento che tu sia riuscito a vederlo
(thank you alex, i'm happy you saw it at last!)

ZaKKoS
07-26-2005, 11:49 PM
I've fixed the links on the mirror

Please try again now

http://www.supermd.it/cgtalk/VALERIO_S_2MINUTE_FILM_CLUB(720x360).mov (http://www.supermd.it/cgtalk/VALERIO_S_2MINUTE_FILM_CLUB%28360x180%29.mov) [Sorenson QT 170Mb]

http://www.supermd.it/cgtalk/VALERIO_S_2MINUTE_FILM_CLUB(360x180).mov (http://www.supermd.it/cgtalk/VALERIO_S_2MINUTE_FILM_CLUB%28360x180%29.mov) [Sorenson QT 49Mb]

Goof:
If you have seen the short you remember that I get in and shot Alessio in the head while Daniele escapes. The first time we shoot the scene at the first take we forget to tell Alessio what was going to happen so he simply...did not die! He also followed us with the head...a skillful dead man. The result looks like we have done a candid camera on him.
http://www.supermd.it/cgtalk/goof.mov (www.supermd.it/cgtalk/goof.mov)

igorsandman
07-31-2005, 11:36 AM
Hello,
I just came back from vacation and I'm a bit lost... I can't find the complete result of the challenge. I only could find the best overall entry and the best VFX. Where are the others? (or am I missing something?)
BTW, congrats Valerio. You deserve your victory :)
Regards.
-IS-

PS: I might give the second challenge a try. We'll see.

ZaKKoS
08-02-2005, 02:27 AM
Thanks Igor, I still can't believe it!

if you've lost it on my thread this is for you all:
http://www.supermd.it/cgtalk/ringraziamenti.mov (www.supermd.it/cgtalk/ringraziamenti.mov)

for the results I got best cinematography (which makes me particularly proud!), best editing and, incredibly enough, best storyline.

As i've said i pass this challenge but i'm looking at it with a lot of interest (also because there are more participants), here everyone is on vacation and probably i have to work so i will make nothing this time, hope to be in the next challenge!

Good work to everyone, i'm impatient to see some wip!

stevesherrin
08-02-2005, 11:51 PM
If so, where are the winners announced?

jammin
08-02-2005, 11:58 PM
winners are here:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=260175

sergioKomic
08-04-2005, 10:57 AM
Hey congrats my friend Zakkos!


But I think the cinematography part should go to Igor.......

Lets hope the next one will be even Better!:deal: :applause:

ZaKKoS
08-06-2005, 03:09 AM
Hey congrats my friend Zakkos!
Thank you Sergio!


But I think the cinematography part should go to Igor.......
Well, good for me that not everyone have your same opinion :p
Better luck next time!
I don't think that I don't deserve the cinematography "mention" but I have to say that getting the storyline award quite surprised me!:surprised (if it was only for me others deserved that) but thank you anyway

If I remember right you will not participate this challenge right? If so I hope to see you in another one (maybe on a rocket chair :drool:)

Lets hope the next one will be even Better!:deal: :applause:
I hope it too, I've also noticed that there are more people. I hope that in the next one others will join this beautiful adventure!

p.s. I had an idea for this challenge but I have no crew (and no materials...thanks to who use things in a bad way just because they're not of their property) so i...sell it for $$:deal:

ok, I was joking!:bounce:
good work to everyone!!

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