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Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:27 PM
SPECIAL NOTE - posted 1/23/06:

SINCE THIS IS LARGELY A CLOSED THREAD, FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN FURTHER EXPLORING BASIC DRAWING CONCEPTS, PLEASE SEE THE FOLLOWING (ACTIVE) THREAD:

Here we explore the Concept of Gesture ~ anyone is free to join in! :)

Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229)

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REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review 003: SHADING TUTORIAL AND HUMAN SKULL EXERCISE




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REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review 003: SHADING TUTORIAL AND HUMAN SKULL EXERCISE

Welcome to the inaugural thread of Rebecca Kimmelís Anatomy Review. Hopefully this will be one of many "tutorials" that I will be writing about the core concepts concerning drawing the human figure in an artistically anatomical way.

But first let me tell you a bit about myself -- I graduated with honors from the Art Center College of Design having studied Illustration. I studied under the popular teachers Harry Carmean, Burne Hogarth, and Steve Huston among many others. I have always had the interest in teaching figurative drawing and artistic anatomy, and I am thankful to Roberto Ortiz for presenting me with this unique and special opportunity. So bear with me as this is a fledgling teaching attempt :)

So bring your drawing pads, sketch books, your wacoms and your pencils & pens, and letís start drawing. :)

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Part III: SHADING TUTORIAL AND HUMAN SKULL EXERCISE

Shading is about seeing images / life in terms of black, white, and all the grays in between. A very common mistake which beginning artists tend to make is to jump straight into color with very little understanding of what lies behind color: VALUE. A deep understanding of VALUE is one key concept which separates a beginning artist from an experienced one. So itís time to delve into an understanding of VALUE and what components make it up.

SHADING is made up of 5 key components:


Highlight Ė Where the Light Source hits the form or figure directly Ė the brightest area on the form or figure
Form Shadow Ė The General Shadow cast over the form or figure Ė the Darkest Part of which is the Core Shadow
Core Shadow Ė The Darkest part of the Form Shadow
Cast Shadow Ė The Shadow cast by the form of figure on the Surface Plane (floor, table, etc.) upon which the form or figure is sitting / standing
Reflected Light Ė The light bounced back onto the form or figure by the Surface Plane (floor, table, etc.) upon which the form or figure is sitting / standing
THE HUMAN SKULL will start off our first ANATOMY lesson in this LESSON series.

You may choose to do a drawing of THE HUMAN SKULL using the below Reference photos, or you may choose to find REFERENCE OF YOUR OWN. If you use your own Reference, please post YOUR REFERENCE OR A LINK TO YOUR REFERENCE ALONG WITH YOUR DRAWING.

LINKS TO IMAGES OF THE HUMAN SKULL:

Anterior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/anterior.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/anterior.htm)

Lateral View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/lateral.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/lateral.htm)

Posterior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/behind.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/behind.htm)

Superior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/superior.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/superior.htm)

Inferior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/inferior.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/inferior.htm)

Mandible of Skull

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/mandible.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/mandible.htm)

Fetal Skull

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/fetal.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/fetal.htm)

FINAL NOTES:

So thatís it. Go now, pick that sketchbook up, and practice drawing the HUMAN SKULL using the SHADING TECHNIQUES outlined in the TUTORIAL BELOW. My advice is to do several and then pick the best to post here.

YOU HAVE ONE WEEK TO POST YOUR BEST PIECE(SHADED HUMAN SKULL DRAWING).

GENERAL RULES:

Once I have posted my lesson it will be your turn:

Post a drawing based on the topic or body part covered in this lesson. You may use a model (preferred) or photo reference.
A couple of times a month, a new thread will be posted on theWIP/Critique: 2D, Illustrations and Concept Art (http://www.cgtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=31) called:REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review [ID]: "Thread Title"



For example:



REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review 003: GESTURE SHADING TUTORIAL AND HUMAN SKULL EXERCISE



This will be the CORE thread, created by Rebecca Kimmel, where the lessons will be posted along with the FINAL pieces done by the participants.
This will be the only thread where artwork will be posted. Comments WILL be allowed on the thread.
(In short, when an artist wants to show his or her drawing based on the lesson, he or she just has to post a reply to the thread.)

Each entry will have:

An original piece done after the topic has been picked.
The artwork done by the participant based on the latest class.
And some more rules:

All artwork must have the following words written on them: (c) 2005 YOUR NAME
At the end of the week, I will pick up to 4 pieces of my choosing and will review them. My advice: KEEP IT SIMPLE
You are encouraged to use MODELS but if you cannot you can use PHOTO reference.
At the end of the week, I will pick up to 4 pieces of my choosing and will review them. My advice: KEEP IT SIMPLE.

All text and images posted on this lesson are © 2005, Rebecca Kimmel. Good luck!

-Roberto and Rebecca

DISCLAIMER: The creator of this thread, Roberto Ortiz, Rebecca Kimmel, CGNetworks and CGTALK are not responsible for what happens during these classes. Participants are posting under their own accord and their actions are their own. The aforementioned parties of Roberto Ortiz, Rebecca Kimmel, CGNetworks and CGTALK are in no way responsible for their actions and are thus not liable in any way.

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:34 PM
PLEASE NOTE THAT LESSON 003 IS MADE UP OF 2 PARTS: FIRST A GENERAL SHADING TUTORIAL, and THEN AN EXERCISE. YOU ARE NOT ASKED TO DRAW APPLES, BUT RATHER TO DRAW THE HUMAN SKULL.





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USEFUL THREAD LINKS:


Lesson 003: Guidelines:#1 (http://showpost.php/?p=2468755&postcount=1)


Digital Drawing / Painting Shading TUTORIAL:

#3 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468776&postcount=3)
#4 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468783&postcount=4)
#5 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468789&postcount=5)
#6 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468792&postcount=6)
#7 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468795&postcount=7)

Traditional Shading TUTORIAL:
#8 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468800&postcount=8)
#9 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468801&postcount=9)
#10 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468806&postcount=10)
#11 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468811&postcount=11)
#12 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468813&postcount=12)
#13 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468817&postcount=13)
#14 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468819&postcount=14)
#15 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468826&postcount=15)

Rebecca's Skull Painting DEMO:
#89 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2474545&postcount=89)
#90 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2474547&postcount=90)

#112 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475684&postcount=112)
#113 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475686&postcount=113)

Rebecca's Photoshop Wash Explanation:
#135 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2476970&postcount=135)
#256 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2485141&postcount=256)

Rebecca's Photoshop Tweak Proportions Explanation:
#207 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2482217&postcount=207)

Rebecca's Photoshop Tweak Proportions DEMO:
#211 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2482345&postcount=211)
#212 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2482346&postcount=212)

Rebecca's ADDITIVE and SUBTRACTIVE Digital Painting DEMO:
#251 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484988&postcount=251)
#252 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484989&postcount=252)
#253 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484990&postcount=253)

Rebecca's Photoshop TEXTURE DEMO:
#295 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2488511&postcount=295)

Rebecca's Thoughts on DIGITAL DRAWING & PAINTING vs. TRADITIONAL DRAWING & PAINTING:
#325 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2489466&postcount=325)


Peoples' Individual POSTS:

scorpion007:
#32 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2469280&postcount=32)
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Rosewarne: #39 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2470014&postcount=39)
commodore:
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#93 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475094&postcount=93)
default.rol:
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#260 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2485408&postcount=260)
jinnseng:
#51 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2471295&postcount=51)
#145 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2477322&postcount=145)
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Mavrick71:
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#169 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2479188&postcount=169)
inkonyto:
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maj3d: #70 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2473093&postcount=70)
kaylon: #83 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2474188&postcount=83)
SunnyRaining: #99 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475279&postcount=99)
Vahn: #104 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475453&postcount=104)
magic man: #108 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475514&postcount=108)
Andyonahill: #114 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475834&postcount=114)
Slux:
#117 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2476359&postcount=117)
#220 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2482802&postcount=220)
#233 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484155&postcount=233)
#234 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484185&postcount=234) (Rebecca's tweak suggestion)
#244 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484780&postcount=244)
#246 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484838&postcount=246)(Rebecca's tweak suggestion)
#270 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486296&postcount=270)
#272 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486593&postcount=272)
#273 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486608&postcount=273) (Rebecca's tweak suggestion)
#274 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486703&postcount=274)
#275 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486727&postcount=275) (Rebecca's tweak suggestion wrap-up)
#292 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2488426&postcount=292)
#293 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2488448&postcount=293) (Rebecca's tweak suggestion wrap-up)
#295 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2488511&postcount=295) (Rebecca's TEXTURE suggestion)
#390 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2499675&postcount=390)
#410 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2518410&postcount=410) (Some Useful 3D Skulls)
CBee: #151 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2477623&postcount=151)
endseason:
#159 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2478872&postcount=159)
#231 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484072&postcount=231)
jmBoekestein:
#163 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2479048&postcount=163)
#340 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2489936&postcount=340)
#347 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2490813&postcount=347) (jmBoekestein's PAINTING DEMO)
#352 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2491029&postcount=352) (jmBoekestein's PAINTING DEMO)
bandersnatch: #172 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2479386&postcount=172)
JeanGenie: #174 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2479709&postcount=174)
Squibbit:
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#268 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486182&postcount=268)
Sulla:
#188 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2481019&postcount=188)
#265 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2485955&postcount=265) (Links to Master Works)
underearth:
#189 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2481304&postcount=189)
#190 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2481314&postcount=190)
Zepyhri:
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Stipick_S:
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PixelFloss:
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Bruceusername:
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El-Rodente: #259 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2485270&postcount=259)
yulias: #263 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2485518&postcount=263)
InterFacer: #266 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486003&postcount=266)
Squibbit: #268 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2486182&postcount=268)
raptror|3D: #313 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2489307&postcount=313)
robynn: #346 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2490745&postcount=346)
woodyradica: #351 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2490978&postcount=351)
Fromanyland:
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Flydesign:#383 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2496945&postcount=383)
Kha:
#394 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2500967&postcount=394)
#412 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2524241&postcount=412)
Spirit Dreamer:
#397 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2503784&postcount=397)
#415 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2527242&postcount=415)
daspetey: #399 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2503985&postcount=399)
Desp#2/Rog: #405 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2504167&postcount=405)
Scorche:
#407 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2513966&postcount=407)
#409 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2517442&postcount=409)
jfrancis:
#413 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2524448&postcount=413)
#414 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2525333&postcount=414)
#416 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2527287&postcount=416)
rodia: #418 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2529025&postcount=418)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:36 PM
PART A of LESSON 003 BEGINS BELOW: :)

WE'LL START WITH A TUTORIAL FOR SHADING IN THE DIGITAL MEDIUM (PHOTOSHOP)


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/01_DEMO_SEEING-VALUES_1.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:39 PM
DIGITAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/02_DEMO_SEEING-VALUES_2.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:41 PM
DIGITAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above


*****EDIT: Note to those who are interested:


The following article describes the difference between Desaturation and Grayscale:

http://www.inkjetart.com/tips/grayscale/

Please note that where I have said "Desaturate your image" in the tutorials, I should have said to "Grayscale" them. Thanks. :) *****




http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/03_DEMO_APPLE-SEQUENCE_1.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:42 PM
DIGITAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/04_DEMO_APPLE-SEQUENCE_2.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:43 PM
DIGITAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/04A_DEMO_APPLE-SEQUENCE_2.gif


THIS CONCLUDES THE DIGITAL SHADING TUTORIAL

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:44 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL BEGINS HERE:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/04A_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-0_7.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:45 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/05_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-1_72dpi.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:46 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/06_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-2_72dpi.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:47 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/07_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-3_72dpi.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:48 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/08_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-4_72dpi.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:49 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/09_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-5_72dpi.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:49 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/10_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-6_72dpi.jpg


THAT CONCLUDES BOTH TUTORIALS FOR GENERAL SHADING.

PLEASE READ BELOW FOR THE ACTUAL EXERCISE WHICH YOU SHOULD DO FOR THIS LESSON: DRAWING THE HUMAN SKULL :)

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:52 PM
THAT CONCLUDES THE TUTORIAL FOR GENERAL SHADING. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE APPLE WAS JUST USED AS AN EXAMPLE.

DO NOT DRAW APPLES FOR THE EXERCISE!!!
DO NOT DRAW APPLES FOR THE EXERCISE!!!
DO NOT DRAW APPLES FOR THE EXERCISE!!!
DO NOT DRAW APPLES FOR THE EXERCISE!!!
DO NOT DRAW APPLES FOR THE EXERCISE!!!


DO DRAW AND SHADE SKULLS!!! :)
DO DRAW AND SHADE SKULLS!!! :)
DO DRAW AND SHADE SKULLS!!! :)
DO DRAW AND SHADE SKULLS!!! :)
DO DRAW AND SHADE SKULLS!!! :)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/DRAW_ME.jpg

THE REAL EXERCISE IS FOR YOU TO DRAW AND SHADE SKULLS FROM EITHER THE SOURCES PROVIDED BELOW OR FROM YOUR OWN SOURCES. IF YOU USE YOUR OWN SOURCES, PLEASE POST WITH YOUR DRAWINGS YOUR SOURCE OR A LINK TO YOUR SOURCE.

GOOD LUCK! AND LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR POSTS! :)

You may choose to do a drawing of THE HUMAN SKULL using the below Reference photos, or you may choose to find REFERENCE OF YOUR OWN. If you use your own Reference, please post YOUR REFERENCE OR A LINK TO YOUR REFERENCE ALONG WITH YOUR DRAWING.

LINKS TO IMAGES OF THE HUMAN SKULL:

Anterior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/anterior.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/anterior.htm)

Lateral View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/lateral.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/lateral.htm)

Posterior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/behind.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/behind.htm)

Superior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/superior.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/superior.htm)

Inferior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/inferior.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/inferior.htm)

Mandible of Skull

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/mandible.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/mandible.htm)

Fetal Skull

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/fetal.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/fetal.htm)

NOOB!
07-16-2005, 09:55 PM
sorry for ruining ur post flow there becks.

excellent tutorial,amazing.

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:55 PM
On your mark...get set...go! :)

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:55 PM
No prob, NOOB ;) Thank you! Now...time to start drawing! :)

~Rebeccak

NOOB!
07-16-2005, 09:59 PM
i'm working on a drawing now,actually its a re-make of the *mission of the surreal* pic, i decided to go back to the drawing board.

so it would be ok to post that in here for review right? anything goes

...just making sure.

thetrianglekid
07-16-2005, 10:08 PM
sweet shaded apples batman!

i'm off to draw a skull. hopefully i can finish it this week!

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 10:12 PM
SKULLS, NOOB, SKULLS!!! Only skulls... :)


~Rebeccak

NOOB!
07-16-2005, 10:16 PM
sorry...me so confused,with all the apples and the skulls and the talent!!!

CBee
07-16-2005, 10:20 PM
Shading! Great! :applause: If there is an area I need to work on it's shading... well, except for all the other areas. :D

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 10:23 PM
lol :) go forth and draw skulls! :)

~Rebeccak

default-rol
07-16-2005, 10:52 PM
So let me get this right -

We draw skulls, yeah?.......:scream:

Cool topic - done one (posted on anatomy thread) off to do more. Thx for the tutorial too. will study it more tomorrow.

Later.

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 10:57 PM
SKULLS SKULLS SKULLS SKULLS SKULLS SKULL SKULLS SKULLS!!!

NO APPLES!

:)

RobertoOrtiz
07-16-2005, 11:16 PM
Rebecca, should be be calling the FBI to check your rose bushes?



Just wondering.



-R

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 11:18 PM
Har. Har. Har. Har.

Rosewarne
07-16-2005, 11:47 PM
3rd lesson! Rebecca, I really appreciate what u are doing :) and that's exactly the topic I was looking for !
I'll give it a try :bounce:

Rosewarne

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 11:50 PM
Rosewarne,

Thanks! Good to hear your feedback! Looking forward to your posts! :) Nebezial did a GREAT job on his tutorial, I am THRILLED! I have never seen as good a Photoshop tut, either, I have to get busy and study what looks like to be an ongoing, many-paged tutorial! :bounce:

Whee! :)

~Rebeccak

Spin99
07-17-2005, 12:15 AM
*grabs his head*

Umm parietal, occipital, watchoocall that in Inglish?
Ok skull time no more spamming.. Noob I'm not insinuating anything.
But some people only post when the got something to show.
*grin*

Ok, past my bedtime, next time, later, thanks Rebecca.
It's really great to do anatomy class again :)
Maybe I'm even convinced to use my tablet it's just that I wore off the nib and I can't get Wacom nibs anywhere here in Africa.

Mice, on the other hand, are not pressure sensitive. But they're so nice for drawing..
Ah, the dillemma..

scorpion007
07-17-2005, 01:02 AM
Cool, new lesson :)

Here's my first mediocre attempt :P
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/6108/skull32rb.jpg

Please tear apart :)
Done in PS with a basic hard brush, using the front reference provided.

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 01:04 AM
Woo! First customer! :)

Think I'll wait a little to, er, "tear apart" though... :)

Thanks for posting! Virtual hi-five! :thumbsup:

~Rebeccak

scorpion007
07-17-2005, 01:12 AM
lol rebeccak :D Do you want us to draw the skull in different perspectives too?, like perhaps lying on a table, face up or something? That would be quite challenging drawing it in 3D from the ortho views, and then shading yourself w/o reference, wouldnt you say?

AndreKling
07-17-2005, 04:16 AM
Yeah i like scorpions idea, and maybe the skull could be surounded by... aples? ( or maybe not :P )
Rebeka, great work on the tutorials, I hv being following it, but couldnt find time to post anything, will try this time. Congrats again
Andre

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 08:24 AM
Spin99,

Thanks for the post! Looking forward to seeing your work :). I'm sure nibs can be ordered online?

scorpion007 and AndreKling,

Har har! Hey, there are several links to different views of the skull on the front page of this thread. I absolutely encourage you to post as many skull drawings as you wish! (Apples ok, as long as they're secondary ;))

Also, feel free to draw from your own skull reference ~ if you have skeletons in your closet ~ ha! ~ then feel free to draw those :) ~otherwise, just Google "skull" and a myriad number of skull pictures will magically appear for your use as Reference.

Just remember to please post your Reference along with your drawings so I have a basis upon which to evaluate your drawings.

Thanks for the posts! :)

~Rebeccak

commodore
07-17-2005, 10:21 AM
I'd like to do this one with a pencil but I don't have a scanner :'(

conundrum
07-17-2005, 11:41 AM
well. i've read and enjoyed the ones so far but i'm yet to actually partipate, so heres is a pencil sketch of the lateral reference provided.
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/2088/skullpencil4yc.jpg

Rosewarne
07-17-2005, 11:52 AM
Here's m first one :) but I'm sure I'll do more..
Unfortunately I was in an office while sketching, and I had to use a 0.7 propelling pencil, which is not the best tool to shade I think =P
Anyway, here you are, I use the first linked image as a reference:

http://www.badge-of-hell.net/skull.jpg

I tried to focus on where to shade, I know proportion are quite bad...let me know anyway ^^


Rosewarne

commodore
07-17-2005, 02:00 PM
:D (http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5572/irw4bw.jpg)

I know I had to make a skull. It's just for laughing.

Click on the smilie.

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 02:18 PM
very...funny...commodore :applause:

:D

Must...not...laugh...must...stay...strong...

:)

~Rebeccak

MartinNH
07-17-2005, 03:37 PM
Thanks for making those great tutorials. Here's my contribution:

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 03:47 PM
conundrum,

Awesome! Thank you for posting this! I'm happy to hear you've liked the lessons so far. If you have any topic ideas for future lessons, please let me know :).

Rosewarne,

Not bad at all! I think it's funny I've got people working on skulls in offices across the world :) ~ that is actually a great thing! :) I hope to see more of your posts! :)

Martin NH,

Great, thank you for posting! It's cool to see many diffrent peoples' work. I like your linework, it's very consistent!

Good work, guys! Keep it up! :)

~Rebeccak

commodore
07-17-2005, 08:19 PM
http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/528/skull2kz.jpg

This one is very bad. I'll try and make a better one tomorrow (by Estonian time)

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 08:21 PM
commodore,

Thanks for your posts!

>by Estonian time

Just too cool... :)

~Rebeccak

default-rol
07-17-2005, 10:16 PM
My first go at this one. Done with a biro in my sketchpad.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6042/skullprofile1707057ju.jpg

It was loosely based on this plate from Albinus on Anatomy -

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5423/skullreference0cj.jpg

I altered the facial proportion a bit for mine.

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 10:28 PM
default.rol,

Great post! ~I really like your linework, and how carefully you delineated proportions. I especially appreciate this because I know you already posted a front-view skull in the Anatomical Drawings thread, which is great! ~so I'm thrilled to see doing more.

Keep up the good work! And definitely don't confine yourself to the limitations of this lesson ~ if you feel like going further, please feel free to do so, and post your results on this, or other, threads.

I also think that ballpoint pen is an especially good medium with which to create Anatomy studies / sketches such as these ~ pencil is good, too, or charcoal, or digital, but ballpoint pen forces you to get to the heart of the matter and really render out those small details that can be so important.

Thank you for your post! :)

~Rebeccak

default-rol
07-17-2005, 10:46 PM
Hi RebeccaK

Thanks for the feedback - I have done this one (and the other skull posted in the anatomy section) in ballpoint pen as I remember reading on your first? lesson that it was a good medium to use for this sort of work.

It certainly makes you think about it a bit more. I learned that from the first skull I did.

Thanks for help and encouragement again

MIKE

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 10:53 PM
Hey, Mike ~

I'm confused, I've gotten used to your user name, so it's odd to realize you have a real one :)
heh ~ just a funny sidenote.

I'm happy you're doing so much work for these lessons, you've definitely been doing a lot of diligent work and it's awesome to see the results!

It's pretty cool that people are interested in these lessons and doing a lot of drawing ~ it's so foundational, and I've always appreciated that aspect of my art training tremendously. I think in this digital age people pine for the "simpler" stuff ~ tho I certainly don't consider drawing simple. It's actually the hardest thing I've ever had to learn, and I continue to do so. I've learned a ton from seeing peoples' work on this site, and am continually inspired.

Keep up the great posts! :)

~Rebeccak

Spin99
07-17-2005, 11:24 PM
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/1922/skullycopy4tn.jpg

Umm I'm trying really really hard to make peace with my tablet.
I'll post when I get some shading results, on the meantime.. :shrug:

I used the tablet for the concept and the trusty pen to cleanup.
I can also paint lines with the mouse, no beziers or sensitivity..
This while I'm waiting for the replacement nibs :)
Thanks for the inspiration Rebecca.

jinnseng
07-18-2005, 12:42 AM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/cgskull.jpg

Done in Painter 9... about 4 hours. I used conte variants mostly. A little just add water to smooth the eye sockets and the forehead area. I used the provided skull links as a reference, which I have noticed are a little different then my picture. Getting a headache has stopped me from wanting to tweak around with it anymore. Thanks for taking a look, and thanks for all the hard work put into this forum. I'm really learning a lot.

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 02:16 AM
jinnseng,

WOW, this is BEAUTIFUL ~ thank you for posting this! I am really happy to hear that you are learning from this tutorial, it is great to hear!

I hope you continue to post more of your lovely work (and I hope your headache clears up) :)

~Rebeccak

Mavrick71
07-18-2005, 03:58 AM
Not as good as some of the others, I noticed some problems, like where the root of the teeth go into the skull on the upper set on the right, the shadow is where the hightlight should be, too thick of a bone around the right eyesocket, and some other stuff.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1208/skull15xx.jpg
This is a great forum, I've started to grasp more and more as I read this fourm and especially your tutorials Rebecca. The only problem with them is that they don't come fast enough.

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 04:18 AM
Mavrick71,

Hey, thank you for posting your work! And thank you for your compliments! They are appreciated :). It's not important here how 'good' you believe your work to be in relationship to others ~ it's important how much you grow and get out of this lesson. So I appreciate your putting the effort forth to use the tutorial to your best advantage.

Here is what I would recommend ~ and it is a recommendation which I made to many people who participated in the previous lessons, both beginning and advanced artists alike: a great exercise is to TRACE, in Photoshop or with tracing paper, the image which you are copying. Doing so allows you to cross that initial line of fear which all artists face, and which frequently hinders us from producing our best work.

Also, tracing eliminates some of the false expectations which we tend to project onto imagery which we see (such as a skull) and think we know ~ but really do not. Learning to draw is essentially about learning how to see, and tracing teaches us to see, so that when we draw without tracing paper, we are better trained to look at and consider what it is which we are drawing.

I would recommend trying this exercise ~ tracing (either digitally or traditionally) the image of the skull, and then RE-DRAWING the skull freehand.

You will be surprised at the results.

Good luck, and I hope you post your results! :)

~Rebeccak

Mavrick71
07-18-2005, 04:30 AM
Hmmm... interesting proposition we have here; I like it! I just printed the skull out, and I'll get started on it first thing in the morining, it's getting late and I'm tired. I'll be sure to post the results as soon as I get it done.

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 04:34 AM
Mavrick71,

Awesome! It's great to see your initiative :). Looking forward to seeing your results.

:)

~Rebeccak

scorpion007
07-18-2005, 11:07 AM
Here's another one of mine:

Drawn in pencil, colored in PS. I want to later shade in pencil to compare to my PS coloring.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9281/skullstudy12zx.jpg
I used a desaturated version of the front ref Rebecca provided. (Pic is scaled down to 600 width)

Xillion
07-18-2005, 11:37 AM
Hi all, this has taken 1,5 hours with photoshop.
I mainly worked with black (and white) "contŤ crayon on bumpy surface" brush at 10% (sometimes 5%) opacity.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5876/skullstudy12hk.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

I tried adjusting levels in photoshop to have a full range of light/dark. Which version is better ? The first or the second ?
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7969/skulldarkened7vh.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Edit: I tried to follow the good advice to use a model...so I had a walk in the park with my skinning knife...but, surprisingly enough :eek:, noone was glad to have his head severed for my artistic purposes! So I had to use the old photo referece rebeccak provided (flipped)

Hey...Just kidding :D

Zarracin
07-18-2005, 11:55 AM
This is a great lesson! skulls are fun to draw
I can't help humming heavy metal tunes when i draw skulls (and i'm not a metal fan)


It's mechanical pencil, about half an hour
reference from a picture from Corbis
calvera.jpg

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 12:11 PM
scorpion007,

Wow, it's cool to see the differences between the piece you did in Painter vs. the one you did in Photoshop ~ could you tell us about what your drawing experience was like in one program vs the other? Were there any major advantages or disadvantages to using one program vs the other? Thank you for posting this ~ keep up the great work! :)

Xillion,

For some reason, I cannot see your image, which is disappointing since I know it's a good one! I seem to remember there being this problem when you posted work on the last lesson ~ what image hosting service are you using? It could just be me, but I'll double-check later today when I get to work ~ hoping I can see it then! Thanks for posting! :)

Zarracin,

Wow, it's cool that it only took you a half hour to do ~ seems like folks are pretty speedy these days!

My recommendation would be, however, to slow down and to draw larger. This forces you to acknowledge all of the little details which are important.

Great work, guys! Keep on posting your updates! :)

~Rebeccak

scorpion007
07-18-2005, 12:48 PM
Hi Rebecca,

Thanks for your comment :), about my drawing experience with those apps, well, firstly I would have to say that I havent used Painter nearly as much as PS so I dont know the program as deep as I do Photoshop. With the paint tools, PS is fine if your not trying to recreate those traditional subtleties that Painter is designed to do, but PS's brush engine is quite powerful and will allow you to create most kinds of brushes, except things like watercolour dripping down your page and diffusing, etc. But you can create all kinds of rough conte, charcoal kinds of brushes...

I think PS is geared towards general digital painting of all applications (such as texture painting, compositing/matte painting), not so much traditional media, so that's why the brush engine is more generic than painters.

In that last skull I did, all i used was a simple hard edged brush, with pressure based flow, and 100% opacity. Nothing special.

So thats my comments on the programs...

Nice work all!

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 01:04 PM
scorpion007,

Thanks for elaborating on those differences between Photoshop and Painter ~ it's cool to hear! Painter does take you a long way in terms of that more artistic effect, but sometimes you can too easily gloss over a real understanding of the details of a study ~ tho in your Painter skull piece you did a great job of capturing details ~ because with painting in any medium you get wrapped up in the physical properties of paint to the detriment of detailed, observational drawing.

At any rate, thank you for your thoughts on this, and I hope you will be posting more work! :)

~Rebeccak

inkonyto
07-18-2005, 01:14 PM
Hi Rebecca,

First thanks for sharing your experience through CGtalk, with kindness and open-mind :applause:. I discovered your tutorials recently and i found them just great. It's really a pleasure to find such knowledges without buying books or schools.... So i decided to involve myself in the process. Here is my participation, not much time to do it, i tried to use 3 tones of shade, find it really hard........... But done with pleasure :)

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/skull_1.jpg

Xillion
07-18-2005, 01:16 PM
rebeccak: I use Imageshack as a host but I think the problem was that I was in edit mode while you were viewing. Let me know if you can see it now...

and you guys ? can you see it ? (post #58 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=2472301&postcount=58))

inkonyto
07-18-2005, 01:56 PM
and you guys ? can you see it ? (post #58 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=2472301&postcount=58))

Yes definitly.... And i found it very very good :) (i like both)

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 02:17 PM
Xillion,

Yep! I can definitely see it now ~ thanks! Great work ~ I definitely like the second one, tho in truth probably you could put the darker version as a 80% opacity layer over the lighter version and have a better result ~ the blacks may be a tad too black in the darker image now, but I do like the effect. Ah! And I'm happy you didn't use a 'live' model, because then we would have to send in the police! :)

inkonyto,

Thank you for your kind comments! I'm happy to see you are enjoying the lesson! Thank you for your post. Can you tell us something about your background? I'm happy to see you are participating! :)

~Rebeccak

inkonyto
07-18-2005, 03:22 PM
Can you tell us something about your background? I'm happy to see you are participating! :)

hihi, i'm a bit confused, thanks for your interest. Here is my background : I'm from Paris (sorry for my english :)), i draw since a few years, but without any formation or artistic education, just for fun. No anatomic studies, no opposing curevs, no methods...
Recently i had the impression to reach my limits, therefore i tried to search on the web for tutorials or lessons which can help me. If i can learn more about drawing, maybe i could progress... no ?

As i said, i discovered your tutorials a few days ago, "opposing curves" : Well, it really helps me : For exemple, knowing that human top body could be reduced to a peanut shape was like a revelation for me... Thanks for that...

Here is a few sketches (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/last-rough.jpg) i did recently, trying to use what i learned. Nothing great but believe me, it's better than that i usually do.... ;)

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 03:29 PM
inkonyto,

Thanks for telling us about yourself ~ sorry to confuse you, it just helps for me to know what training everyone has artistically so that I know what they are interested in and what they want to learn. So thank you for telling us that you love to draw and are open to learning new things ~ that helps me in terms of 'teaching'! :)

I really like your drawings that you posted (Here is a few sketches (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/last-rough.jpg)) a lot, and I think that you should post them in this thread so everyone can see them:

Gesture Drawings - Post Your Best Gesture Drawings Here! - 2D TRADITIONAL / DIGITAL (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=258741)

Thanks for participating! :)

~Rebeccak

inkonyto
07-18-2005, 04:00 PM
Rebecca,

Thank you :) I have posted to the good section.

maj3d
07-18-2005, 05:45 PM
hi rebecca,

thx for this interesting thread...

my first try...
time 10mins.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b355/maj3d/DSC00950copy.jpg

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 05:45 PM
Great post there! Great to see :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 05:48 PM
maj3d,

Good work! I see you really worked on the interior shading of the eye sockets, which is nice to see. I hope you will submit more of these! It's great practice, and I think pencil is a good medium with which to go. You might also try ballpoint pen and do consistent, smooth cross-hatching in small strokes to approximate the same effect as pencil. I think ballpoint pen is a great medium for these kinds of studies as well as charcoal and digital media.

Thanks for posting this! :)

~Rebeccak

maj3d
07-18-2005, 06:31 PM
thx rebecca,
i know what you mean,
i like to draw architecture with ballpoint pens and nature with chalk.
hope you keep the great thread leading on...

commodore
07-18-2005, 08:40 PM
Sorry rebecca, I sayd I'm going to do a skull today but when I uploaded it I found how bad it really was so I thought I'd finish it later but then I had to doodle with my friend over drawboard.

Kitami
07-18-2005, 09:55 PM
this was a real challenge, didnt realise a skull had so much details

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2953/skull28up.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 09:59 PM
commodore,

no worries! It's completely funny, it's funny that you should worry :).
When you can post your work, feel free to do so :).

Kitami,

Wow! I am impressed. This is a really nice pencil study ~ I can see you put a lot of effort into it. Thanks for posting this! I especially like the attention you paid to all of the cracks in the skull differentiating each of the three sections. It's really nice work ~ do you have time to attempt other views? Which did you find more challenging ~ the drawing of the skull's details, or the shading?

Thanks for your post! :)

~Rebeccak

Kitami
07-18-2005, 10:15 PM
Thanks alot Rebecca, Most challenging was the shading, I did a totally new method trying to listen to your advice, and it was so much details that it had to be alot of diffrent levels of shading, phew. I will start with frontview now, however this will be harder cause I suddenly got a pressure on me to do good again.. hehe!

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 10:22 PM
Kitami,

No pressure! Just encouragement :). I really liked your first, so I am sure you will do an excellent job on your second.

Looking forward to your posts! :)

~Rebeccak

default-rol
07-18-2005, 11:11 PM
My first real painting in Corel Painter! - reference from a google search that turned up a company that sells replicas... heres the link

http://www.soyoungtrading.com/img/pro9/pro45-1.jpg

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/5994/skullpainter1807051qn.jpg

Took me a while (mostly trying to work out how all the tools work.)

Xillion
07-18-2005, 11:27 PM
kitami: hi. I really like your rendition of the skull. it's clean and to the point. just a question, how long did it take you to draw it ? is it a traditional drawing or a digital one (if digital what program/brush did u use ?)

Kitami
07-18-2005, 11:51 PM
kitami: hi. I really like your rendition of the skull. it's clean and to the point. just a question, how long did it take you to draw it ? is it a traditional drawing or a digital one (if digital what program/brush did u use ?)

Thanks for your intrest! Hmm, id say.. two hours? Not quite sure cause I took a break in the middle of it. I drew it with pencil then scanned it in.

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 11:57 PM
default.rol / Mike,

Cool! I commend you for trying a new program, that's awesome! Hope you are finding the program to be a fun one. Looks like you took to the tools pretty quickly!

One thing I would recommend ~ save the version that you have, then try and do a black / white / midtone gray version ~ you will be AMAZED at the range of values you can achieve with just those three values!

Great to see you posting so much work! :)

~Rebeccak

kaylon
07-19-2005, 12:46 AM
Thought I would actually post something for a change. So here is a skull done tonight.

Enjoyed this quite abit :)

http://www.obsidiann.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/skull_01.jpg

Photoshop CS
30 mins.

K.

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 12:56 AM
kaylon,

Thank you for posting this image! You know, there is something oddly beautiful about this little piece, and I like that you've taken a few liberties with the proportions and shading. What other kinds of work do you do? It would be interesting to know.

Thank you for posting this piece! :)

~Rebeccak

Kitami
07-19-2005, 01:41 AM
Ok i didnt like this drawing i made, it looks like it grinning and me saying "haha look at how you made me" really does, im paranoid. But im uploading cause i had a good start at it! And i did say i would make it.. so. remember me for my first skull!

ps: Rebecca your threads help soo much!

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4005/skull002smaller3sb.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 02:02 AM
Kitami,

Thank you! I'm really happy the threads are useful! ~I'm learning a lot from everyone here, too ;)

~Rebeccak

Happy Trees
07-19-2005, 02:37 AM
hah this is the same exercise I had to do in painting class last week.

Minus the scull pluss a stilllife but yeah same principle.

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 02:42 AM
Think of it as positive reinforcement :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 04:21 AM
Worked a bit on my own skull tonight...that sounds rather morbid :)

It's not finished, but here is the progression so far...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/My-Skull_PROGRESSION_DEMO-1.jpg

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 04:22 AM
sequence continued...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/My-Skull_PROGRESSION_DEMO-2.jpg

I actually like the second to the last best...I tend to like things with a slightly 'unfinished' look, a la Francis Bacon...mmm...bacon...

Probably my favorite living painter is Alex Kanevsky (http://www.dolbychadwickgallery.com/art_kanevsky.html) ~ his paintings rock my world...then there's good old Odd Nerdrum. Yep, I like the wierd ones. But their painting style is sublime.

Hope this is useful :)

~Rebeccak

stipick_S
07-19-2005, 06:23 AM
Hey guys,

I have been away for awhile but now I am back and practicing harder than ever. It is great to have the ol' flames a burning again. My fiance has begun the process of signing me up for a open figure studio at a local art studio (late fathers day gift)... CANT FREAKIN WAIT!!! I am having a ball.... This is fantastic! I have a bunch more I would like to post, but I am tired of using attachments and running out of space quickly. I know this has been beat more than a dead horse, but if someone could point me towards any posts on how to post an image I would be gratefull.

Anyhow, the drawing! Finally passed the 15 minute mark. Had to force myself to do it, but it was fun. Thsi piece took about 2 hours and is pencil and white charcoal on toned paper.

Rebecca, I would appreciate it very much if you could elaborate on the guildlines you set up....loving the forums more and more everyday.



Shaun

p.s. I think I might have to become a society member. Just to let everybody know, It was the quality of these forums that convinced me it is well worth the money.

p.s. p.s. rebecca i'll get that new and improved torso back up in the other thread...real soon.

default-rol
07-19-2005, 08:31 AM
RebeccaK

I'm going to have to try that greyscale one now you mentioned it, (and seeing how you have done yours so far.)

Will try to do one soon

stipick_s - that picture is cool, is it conte crayon on canvas?

EDIT: To post an image, go to http://imageshack.us/ (bookmark this as you will use it a lot!) and follow the instructions on screen. Hope that helps some!

Later - and I'm loving the work from all so far!

commodore
07-19-2005, 10:03 AM
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4947/skull20jn.jpg

I said i'll do better but this is even worse than the last one!

kaylon
07-19-2005, 10:14 AM
Rebeccak thanks for your comments :).

And to answer your question, I'm an Environmental artist in the games industry, have been for 10+ years now. I dont get chances often to work on "human" or character based stuff as most of my time is spent modelling and texturing buildings and props etc, so it's nice to find time to do the odd skull :)

K.

Matariki
07-19-2005, 10:35 AM
excellent tuts :thumbsup:

I am a technologist :) I only do 3d box modeling of non-organics. Never tried organic models let alone to draw one but this tut inspired me. I can't believe that I actually submit my drawing. There are definitely some problems, particularly the proportions are out of wack but I'll improve on that I guess. It was been lots of fun. Thanks.


http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6667/skullsm0xo.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

scorpion007
07-19-2005, 10:52 AM
Rebecca, I think you have mistaken my work for someone elses. My first skull was done in Photoshop, not painter, so maybe you were thinking of someone elses. But I have used painter for the other threads...

Anyway, nice skull picture! Same to everyone else :D This is really fun :)

Here's my new skull too: Scaled down ofcourse. Done in HB pencil, scanned in, then painted in PS using the same brush as last time. (mostly)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9396/skullstudy27ik.jpg

I know the proportions are a bit off - saw this as i finished it :P
I used the side reference Rebecca provided.

stipick_S
07-19-2005, 11:20 AM
defualt- Thanks for the help.... I appreciate it. The picture is just pencil and white chalk on toned paper.


Shaun

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 11:22 AM
Hey, guys, it's great to see new posts!

I really have to hustle to arrive early to work today, but I will definitely post individual responses then. Thanks to stipick_S, default.rol, commodore, Matariki, and scorpion007 for their new posts! Great work, guys!!! :)

~Rebeccak

SunnyRaining
07-19-2005, 11:52 AM
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a156/SunnyRaining/sketch_skull_1.jpgFirst of all I would like to thank Rebecca for this great thread! Anyway here is my third and best attempt at trying to draw and shade the skull (2B pencil and paper, scanned in) - thanks to everybody for motivating me to pick up my pencil ;) Fantastic work from all!
I'll attempt to do a digital one later based off Rebecca's tutorial :)

stipick_S
07-19-2005, 11:54 AM
Worked great default, thanks again. I am going to use my own web space to hotlink from, but the code from image shack worked like a charm!

evryone have a good day.


shaun

umbrellasky
07-19-2005, 12:44 PM
Amazing tutorials Rebecca! Will really come in hand for my Drawing Unit.

Thanks!! :)

default-rol
07-19-2005, 12:50 PM
No worries Shaun -

I think your work is GREAT and by giving you the link to image shack I hope that you will post more of it! :D

MIKE

Zarracin
07-19-2005, 12:58 PM
in defense of the apples...


just kidding ;)

hey guys, terrific work you all, there are some amazing skulls out there!It's fantastic to see how different artists approach a similar subjectmanzana2.jpg

Vahn
07-19-2005, 01:38 PM
thank you for these lessons and the energy u put in rebecca :bowdown:

i made a qick pencil sketch and colored it in ps

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/7085/skulllesson10rb.jpg

stipick_S
07-19-2005, 01:40 PM
you're too kind default. I have been drawing tons as of late, it is of course all rebecca's fault. My favorite thing to to do (right now) is grab an 11x17 piece of paper (standard printer paper) and draw rows of skulls using line (not much shading or any at all). They are small, only about 3x3 inches, but they allow me to draw a whole bunch. While everybody else is working on one or two good pieces (and I am guilty of this too) I have allready drawn the skull multiple multiple times. Ill post some of these tonight. By the time I get around to creating a larger more complex piece, I have allready worked out a majority of the problems and mistakes many individuals will commonly make. I still make tons of mistakes, but imagine what my drawings might look like If I did not do the preliminary drawings first (just plain bad). Draw lots of small drawings and learn big!!


oooh, and who the heck knew skulls would be so difficult to draw! Arrghhh, there were times I would rather have had my fingernails pulled out, I can not begin to describe how frustrated I was.
Shaun

SunnyRaining
07-19-2005, 01:49 PM
Will follow your advice Shaun - that sounds like a really good idea (drawing many on a sheet) :)

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 01:59 PM
stipick_S wrote:

>Rebecca, I would appreciate it very much if you could elaborate on the guildlines you set up...

Great to see you back, stipick! :) I am thrilled you will be taking a figure drawing course ~ feel free to post away your sure to be Awesome results in this forum! I like the direction you're headed with your piece ~ kudos for trying the traditional medium! Each medium has its advantages / disadvantages, and I am happy to see you guys trying different ones!

Let me know more about what you want to know about the guidelines, and I'll be happy to provide info.

EDIT: Great advice, Shaun / stipick_S! I think I see now what you mean about guidelines. I am happy so long as folks are drawing skulls and shading them in whatever medium they choose. The more skulls, the better! You need not stick to a specific format ~ eg, only one skull at a time. If you've got a page of them, great! But remember to emphasize SHADING, not just drawing, in these studies. Ouch, don't pull those fingernails out! That would seriously impede your drawing abilities! ;)

default.rol,

Yep, everyone is doing a great job! :)

commodore,

I don't think this is 'bad' at all! Thank you for posting your work! :)

kaylon,

Sweet! I think it's awesome that people are getting a chance to stretch their wings into new territory ~ kudos for trying new things! :)

Matariki,

That's awesome, as with kaylon, I'm thrilled that people from all different backgrounds are posting their work! It's so cool that people are doing this! ~ I hope you continue to post more! :)

SunnyRaining,

REALLY Nice Work! I love how much attention you paid to the interior of the eye sockets, and the background shading is really nice ~ I love the consistency of your strokes! Good work, keep it up!! :)

enialadam,

Great! I am happy to hear this is useful. I am hoping that when school starts up again in the Fall, people will post their classwork here in this forum ~ it's awesome to see everyone's progress!

Zarracin,

Ok, THAT is funny! As I was telling someone else, I just KNEW that if I didn't emphasize the NO APPLES thing, I would wake up in the morning with tons of beautifully rendered apples in the thread ~ Guess I overdid it, lol! :)

Vahn,

This is really cool! Thank you for posting your work! I'm a big stinkin' fan of the WIP and Daily Sketch forums, and I know you contribute a lot to those, so I am just happy as a lark to see you here! I really like that you used a monochromatic scheme that isn't straight black, white, gray ~ often these desaturated hues can be really nice, and bring mood into a static piece ~ good work! Keep on posting! :)

You guys are the best, thank you for taking the time to do these! Look forward to seeing more of everyone's work! And I'm thrilled to see you guys pitching in to help one another out ~ as with the other lessons, remember that critiques and draw-overs are not limited to me ~ anyone may do so so long as it is okay by the artist reviewed, and the reviewer is polite and offers constructive criticism. :)

~Rebeccak

StylusMonkey
07-19-2005, 02:06 PM
Here's my submission Rebek, 1 hour ball point pen and prismacolor pencil. Damn printer couldn't pick up on the subtle shades I gave =(

http://www.users.on.net/~bobbyeow/Art/Skull.jpg

stipick_S
07-19-2005, 02:08 PM
Rebecca- on your digital sketch of the skull, you used several guidlines to set up what appears to be porportions and symetry/asymetry and what ever else (I dont know). I am curious as to what each line represents and your process for placing those lines and how the basic line work for the skull is developed from those lines? does that make sense?

magic man- nice! very very nice! would love to see the original version.\


there seems to be some very very nice work being done in ball point pen. I think I am going to have to try it. Will any pen do?

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 02:15 PM
magic man,

Crowd OOOOooohs, AAAahhhhs...

GREAT work, m m! This is excellentlessness with a pencil! Sorry to hear your scanner failed you (do they EVER not fail us?) ;) but from what I can see, you did a not-so-shabby job! :scream:

No, I am thrilled to see your work here, so thanks for posting this! K, gotta go back into mine now to spare myself embarrassment. :rolleyes:

The top of the skull is beautiful, nothing like nailing a gesturally descriptive line in one clean go ~ Rockin'! :)

stipick_S,

Gotcha, give me a bit and I'll write up a step by step thingy...I'll just omit the steps where I go 'dang! ~that ain't right' and just put in the steps where it looks like I know what I'm doing. ;)

Thanks for the interest! :)

~Rebeccak

EDIT: I LOVE drawing anatomy studies with Ballpoint Pen. Any variety will do ~ I used to use those long "Illustrator" pens, but I can't seem to find them in art stores anymore ~ but really, just a good old bic or just something with a relatively fine point will do ~ I just grab whatever is available, I'll buy a box of bics at Staples and just hoard them for a rainy day. :)

But definitely try different media if you get the chance, because they all work differently and teach you different things! :)

StylusMonkey
07-19-2005, 02:28 PM
there seems to be some very very nice work being done in ball point pen. I think I am going to have to try it. Will any pen do?

I used a 30 cent Bic pen, my style was polished during many a boring computer science lecture oh so many years ago.

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 03:15 PM
Ok, per the request of stipick_S (thank you for asking), here is a more detailed explanation of how I went about digitally painting the skull (bear in mind, it isn't finished ;)):

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/My-Skull_PROGRESSION_DEMO-3.jpg

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 03:15 PM
Continued from Above:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/My-Skull_PROGRESSION_DEMO-4.jpg

Hope this is useful :)

~Rebeccak

EAD
07-19-2005, 04:16 PM
This is my first EVER post on cgtalk. A big thanks to defaultrol for showing me the way. Im lovin everyones work- heres my effort. Done in photoshop in about 2.5 hours, let me know what you think> enjoy.


http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/4027/andsskull11zd.jpg

Mavrick71
07-19-2005, 04:56 PM
I would've posted it yesterday, but I couldn't get to my scanner. I followed your suggestion about tracing, then drawing again. All I can say is wow, I think I really improved, and I reread the tutorial a couple times and tried the techniques.
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/4567/skullba6ww.jpg

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 06:36 PM
Andyonahill,

Awesome! At first glance, I thought my piece had magically been finished! Great work, I am thrilled to see your post! I hope you will be posting more of your work, either here, or in the main Anatomy forum. And thanks to Mike / default.rol for bringing you to CGTalk! :)

Mavrick71,

DEFINITE improvement! I am so glad that you actually tried this, I think it's great that you're putting in the effort. Hope to see more of your work!

~Rebeccak

PS, if anyone has saved nebezial's tutorial images to their HDs, can you please let me know?
We're trying to get his tutorial back online.

Thanks!

Slux
07-19-2005, 07:26 PM
Hi
I lurk around for a while so I thought I could step out of shadows and post something :) Hmmm so here is my skull ... I mean not really mine but ... never mind. Its pencil and paper. It took me a while to draw. I have never really tried to draw so detailed skull so it was good exercise for me. I have really learnt quite a few new things. Thanks for these lessons it keeps me motivated to practise and I need a lot of practise.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/skull/skull600x924.jpg

Here is also hirez version but i think that the picture in my post is big enough :)
http://draw.sluxweb.net/skull/skull-full800x1232.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 07:59 PM
Slux,

WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!
That is one beautiful skull!! Thank you much for posting this ~ you have inspired us! :bounce:

Great work! Please post more!

Yay! :applause:

EAD
07-19-2005, 08:02 PM
Rebecca, thanks for your comments. It does kinda look like i hijacked your tutorial, hope everyones not too confused, slightly unfortunate time to post.

apologies to all for any headscratching

stipick_S
07-19-2005, 08:44 PM
slux- gulp! too good. what medium did you use? its a beaut!

rebecca-thanks for answering!

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 08:53 PM
stipick_S,

No problem! Actually, in retrospect, this probably should have been two separate lessons...but I was unsure if people might get bored just drawing a bunch of apples (though basic shapes are really foundational), so I decided to combine the skull project / lesson into this one ~ you guys should let me know how the pace of the lessons is, it will help me to know if they are going too fast or too slow, though, of course, everyone takes these at their own pace, which I think is great!

Thanks for prompting me to do the write~up, as I think it helps.

Schweet. :)

~Rebeccak

NOOB!
07-19-2005, 09:04 PM
great work slux.

Slux
07-19-2005, 09:08 PM
Slux,

WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!
That is one beautiful skull!! Thank you much for posting this ~ you have inspired us! :bounce:

Great work! Please post more!

Yay! :applause:

I'am glad you like it :) hmmm I think I'll post some more later. I have scanned my initial sketch so I might try to shade it in Photoshop for a change. Hmmm and I also think I'll join next lesson .... I really need a lot of practise :D

slux- gulp! too good. what medium did you use? its a beaut!


Ahh It's not that good but thank you, I appreciate it.
For this one I have used HB pencil for a sketch .... then 1B for almost whole piece and 3B a 4B for some dark spots ... thats all ... than I just scanned it a posted it :)

great work slux.


thanks :)

- Slux

Matariki
07-19-2005, 09:21 PM
Slux: Excellent work, really inspiring. :thumbsup:

Euphrosyne
07-19-2005, 09:27 PM
Hi Rebecca and all of you other great artists

Rebecca has insprired me to draw my first skull, I am kind of ashamed to say this because I have been drawing for many years and never done a skull. This was really hard after awhile as I was working on those teeth I started thinking, these teeth look like they are grimacing or grinding, arghhh that's how I feel.:argh:

Thanks Rebecca for inspiring all of us to stretch beyond our norm and reach for new levels and "subjects".:applause:

Patti G.

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 09:31 PM
Euphrosyne,

Great to see you here! Wow, this is a really great drawing of a skull ~ I'm truly impressed that this is your first attempt! I particularly like the consistency of your shading ~ great work!

Thanks for your kind remarks, I take them to heart! :)

Great to see everyone working so hard on their skulls! Heh, that sounds so morbid...:D

~Rebeccak

Slux
07-19-2005, 09:32 PM
Slux: Excellent work, really inspiring. :thumbsup:
thank you thank you .... ahhh I'am happy :)

inkonyto
07-19-2005, 09:38 PM
Euphrosyne I like this "non academic" studie :)

pfiu.... I am astonished by you guys (Slux, how did you get this smooth shading ?)..... Anyway, i'm going back to work.... need it....

Euphrosyne
07-19-2005, 09:41 PM
Thanks Rebecca

I forgot to say this was done with a 2B pencil and an ebony pencil and took about 4 hours. The reference came from a website called "The Bone Room" that sells skulls from China.

Patti G.

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 09:54 PM
Euphrosyne,

No problem :) ~ would it be possible to post your original reference for comparison?

Thank you! :)

~Rebeccak

Euphrosyne
07-19-2005, 09:54 PM
Inkonyto,

Thank you for the compliment. I just wanted to make something a little different. The talent on this thread is awesome!

Rebecca

the address is http://www.boneroom.com/newskulls/skull551a_large.jpg

Euphrosyne

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 10:03 PM
Thanks for that! That is a cool image :) ~

Heading out now...can't wait to see more cool work!

~Rebeccak

BeckyWC
07-19-2005, 10:18 PM
Rebecca,


I've been reading your walk through and in step 3 you mention transparent washes. What do you mean by that? Thank you.

inkonyto
07-19-2005, 11:17 PM
I loose my temper with that one :twisted:
Seems i can't get something clean... Very hard shape shading.... And very hard time for me. I reinforced (is that word existing ?) the levels in toshop and put some color... Cool !!! :thumbsup:

I think i will go back with apple.... :( See you

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/skull_2.jpg

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 11:17 PM
BeckyWC,

Much later tonight I'll have the chance to post some screen caps ~ but for the time being, let me just give a verbal description :) ~

Basically all I mean by a "wash" is a layer in Photoshop that has some value ~ black, white, or gray ~ painted onto it (either over a specific area of your painting, or over the entire painting) in some Opacity level that is below 100%.

There are many ways to create less opacity for a "wash":

1. Set your brushes' Opacity and Flow to a lower percentage (I like 50% for Opacity and 50% for Flow) and paint on a Layer in Photoshop that has an Opacity set to 100%.

2. Set your brushes' Opacity and Flow to a higher percentage, up to 100%, and paint on a Layer in Photoshop that has an Opacity set to something less than 100% (like 50%, etc.)

3. Some combination of a brush set with a percentage less than 100% for Opacity and Flow and a Layer set with a percentage less than 100%. (I usually try to do one or the other so I don't go nuts).

Hope this helps :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 11:27 PM
inkonyto,

Don't be so hard on yourself! You have made a really good effort here, and it takes LOTS of time and PRACTICE to master these things. Remember ~ DRAWING is FIRST, PAINTING is SECOND. Artists have to begin to think this all the time. There is a phrase "Drawing IS Painting", which is very true.

Lots of people are doing many versions ~ often doing the same piece twice. This is a GOOD thing! I cannot tell you how many drawings of skulls I have done in my lifetime. It only gets easier with practice.

Keep going! You will get better. Your proportions are very good!

ABSOLUTELY feel free to draw an apple. Anyone here may do so. :) Most artists train by drawing BASIC SHAPES over and over again ~ spheres, cylinders, boxes, cones. I have done a million drawings of these. Perhaps I should have made this lesson JUST about that.

Try the apple tutorial, and post it here. That way I can help you with your shading. There is no shame in drawing the apple! It's a great way to learn! :)

Hope to see more great work from you! :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
07-19-2005, 11:39 PM
Slux, how did you get this smooth shading ?

That wasn't that difficult. At first I just shade everything with pencil, no smudging ... just short quick strokes with 1B pencil. When everythink is shaded than I use my fingers for smudging (for larger areas like inner part of eye). For rest I use blend sticks, you know these paper things, you can buy it in art store. Thats all.
I also use plastic eraser for little highlights and B3 and B4 for dark areas.
It's good idea to make it contrasted. You know make dark areas darker and light lighter. Thats usualy last step what I do. It gives it more live and makes it more interesting. Well but I don't know that much about drawing so I would rather leave it proffesionals ... right rebecca :D

- Slux

inkonyto
07-19-2005, 11:39 PM
Thank you Rebecca, it's really kind :)

Thanks Slux, i note that. Your drawing is really impressive, and i find it really "proffessional" :thumbsup:

Euphrosyne
07-20-2005, 12:02 AM
Inkonyto

I really like what you did with your drawing, it gives it the look of a relic. Very nice. Maybe it wasn't what you were going for, but it has a cool style.

Euphrosyne

inkonyto
07-20-2005, 12:20 AM
hihihi, it wasn't my intention....:) Anyway, thanks Euphrosyne.

PS : Really happy to have find this virual class.... :applause:

Mavrick71
07-20-2005, 12:51 AM
Thanks for the comments, and when's the next tutorial coming out?

-Slux, I am awed, what a great piece!

-Inkonyto, it's actually not that bad, the skull just fades in a little to much with the background, try making the skull stand out.

stipick_S
07-20-2005, 02:05 AM
It is sort of funny..this feeling inside. Kidding aside, I work with computers all day. Have only used digital mediums for the past 2.5 years exclusivly. Pretty much put up all my tradituional mediums. Yet, I am still hesitant to do any digital studies and paintings. I know photoshop inside and out... yet that nagging hesitation just wont go away. THE FEAR OF FAILURE! I know it is an awesome medium. People all over are producing fantastic pieces. I also understand the flexiibilty of the medium. I even have a ton of books (including that great one by don seegmiller) on the subject. So the question is why? I am not going to sit here and try to understand why. Heck, I dont even know why I am even sharing this. Hmmmmm....

Anyone else have any weird hang ups like this? Or am I alone in the cosmos on this one.


Shaun

RO
07-20-2005, 02:10 AM
It is sort of funny..this feeling inside. Kidding aside, I work with computers all day. Have only used digital mediums for the past 2.5 years exclusivly. Pretty much put up all my tradituional mediums. Yet, I am still hesitant to do any digital studies and paintings. I know photoshop inside and out... yet that nagging hesitation just wont go away. THE FEAR OF FAILURE! I know it is an awesome medium. People all over are producing fantastic pieces. I also understand the flexiibilty of the medium. I even have a ton of books (including that great one by don seegmiller) on the subject. So the question is why? I am not going to sit here and try to understand why. Heck, I dont even know why I am even sharing this. Hmmmmm....

Anyone else have any weird hang ups like this? Or am I alone in the cosmos on this one.


Shaun Lol I had this like a few months ago. What got me going... Was... I do not know... Either way find your way to get over it since you know the program already. I also knew the program and mostly used it for game art but atm I am doing more concept design and paintings in PS. I felt the same a while ago also :) Ill see if I can get skull for this thread... Got into doing a nice scene so sorry for not being around :D

stipick_S
07-20-2005, 02:15 AM
Desp.-
"Either way find your way to get over it since you know the program already."
tough love eh. Your like the Dr. Phil of this forum. Tough but right.

jinnseng
07-20-2005, 02:25 AM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/cgskullside.jpg

Thanks for taking a look!

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 02:51 AM
inkonyto,

You're very welcome! :) I mean it!

Mavrick71,

Hmm, wanting to get through this tutorial first! Then we'll see. :)

stipick_S,

Fear of failure is tough, and I understand it all too well. We all hit that wall, but better to start to climb it now :) while there is a highly supportive group around you.

Desp#2/Rog,

Thanks for offering the advice!

jinnseng,

GREAT work! This is really, really nice. Thank you for posting this!

It's great to see everyone helping everyone else out! This is exactly how things should be. :)

~Rebeccak

CBee
07-20-2005, 03:31 AM
Shaun,

Iíve noticed that children often donít have a problem trying new things. I think this is because they tend to approach everything with a sense of play and fun rather than thinking about consequences, comparisons and performance. They live in the moment rather than pysching themselves out. Maybe you should try a bunch of just for fun drawings before you tackle the serious stuff. Even deliberately silly stuff. Think fun! :D

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 03:33 AM
Yes, come on, stipick, you're our most enthusiastic team player and tutorial mascot! We need you!

Join in the fun ~ and, because it's digital, you don't even get your hands dirty! :)

JOIN US! JOIN US! JOIN US! JOIN US!

Of course, part of it could just be not wanting to deal with the computer MORE...this do I understand! ;)

~Rebeccak

EDIT:

I have a proposal, Mr. stipick :) ~ why not go halfway and digitally retouch the work you've already done? That way you have a running headstart, and need not have to start completely from scratch digitally. Have fun with it! Don't render if you don't want to ~ do something artsy, artistic ~ I'm sure part of your computer~saturated brain is screaming, I JUST WANT TO DO SOMETHING CREATIVE!!!

In art school I had this one cool class that was such a nice release from all of the others, where the focus was on becoming technically as good as you could become, and thus one became fraught with worry over one's skill level. But I had this great class where you were just given the permission to do whatever the heck you wanted to, stick leaves on your drawing / painting / mixed media piece if you wanted to ~ it was Awesome!

That's actually an idea I've been kicking around, either for a Lesson, or for a separate thread that would be interactive like this one ~ a kind of EXPERIMENTAL thread or lesson devoted to really artsy artistic stuff. What do you guys think?

~Rebeccak

stipick_S
07-20-2005, 03:47 AM
CBEE- I can understand the children aspect. I have a lovley 10 month old daughter who is juist starting to take her first steps. Fearless, she is!!! While I am diving across the room to keep her from breaking her neck, she's laughing the whole time, all the while ready to try it again. The ironic thing is the only one who really ever gets hurt when she falls... is me!

Have you ever seen a 5 year old's drawings ( who hasn't really). They are fantastic and way fun. They combine everything and create the most sureal enviorments. no inhibitions! Why can't we all be so imaginitive.

Okay, okay I will post a digital before bed! I will give it a go.

Shaun


wooooooooh! Yay!!! lababa flam floy!
okay now I am ready just needed a little false hype to get me going!

CBee
07-20-2005, 03:59 AM
Have you ever seen a 5 year old's drawings ( who hasn't really). They are fantastic and way fun. They combine everything and create the most sureal enviorments. no inhibitions! Why can't we all be so imaginitive.


I agree. Kids are the masters of fun and creativity. Thatís actually why I like CGNetworks so much. You see a lot of energy and creativity around here that I think is often lacking in more serious forms of art.

CBee
07-20-2005, 05:50 AM
I have just one thing to say to all you freehand wonders out there. I traced this and Iím damn proud of it! :twisted: Not only that I also used the eraserÖ ALOT! :D

I used tracing paper to get a feel for the outline of the skull then drew freehand. Then I used the tracing paper as a guide in the cleanup process. This is because Iím a shameless noobie. :buttrock: The most shocking thing was some of the lines actually matched. Hehe.

2B Pencil on sketch paper.


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/cbee2/Side_skull2.jpg

I'm going to try a few more. Hopefully, I'll be able to do more freehand as I go along.

stipick_S
07-20-2005, 07:05 AM
Well this is my profile skull...work in progress. All digital. Not even close to finished, but I said i would post it tonight and so here is what I have so far. Unfortunatly I was not able to photograph the skull exercise yet. Tommorrow maybe, if I finish the digital skull. Thanks for the motivation guys.

Shaun
p.s. once again please forgive the bad grammar. Its 2 in the morning, so who can really blame me.


(http://www.stipick.com/)

RO
07-20-2005, 07:44 AM
fear you said? :P



I like the skull I see no reason why you should fear digital after seeing this. One minor crit is the back side round part of the head needs to be a tad bigger but for the shadows and such I like it. Like anything you will get better with time. What I like about your lighting is that you used greens, reds, and yellows. Try for example some blues for more deeper shadows instead of black. It is a color trick if you put lots of red in area and use some dark blue for deep shadows the blue will look black but it will still be a lot richer than a total black.

RobertoOrtiz
07-20-2005, 01:47 PM
Hey guys Roberto Here,
Rebecca called me and said that
that she is unable to respond right now due to technical difficulties,
but that she is looking at work.

So keep posting!

-R

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 02:11 PM
Wierdness. This morning I couldn't stay logged on, but now I can. Lovin' the new interface!

Thanks for the message, Roberto, as this morning I was for some wierd reason unable to post one. :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 02:23 PM
CBee,

I agree, when learning to draw, tracing can be an excellent method for learning how to see! As long as you've acknowledged that you've done so, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it! :) You've done an excellent job with the shading, particularly on the back of the skull, and shading is something you can't trace ;) so great job!

stipick_S,

Oooh, Aaah, the colors in this piece are super cool! I would, however, recommend doing a desaturated version in Black and White (obviously saving this piece as a separate version) because you will see FAR more of a range in VALUES that way. It is easy to get caught up in COLOR and forget Value. Value is by FAR the more important principle in terms of creating form.

But awesome work! Thanks for posting this! :) Are you using Photoshop, or Painter?

Keep up the great work, guys! :)

~Rebeccak

EDIT: Actually, if you want to continue in this COLOR vein, feel free to do so, otherwise I end up contradicting what I said earlier about doing really CREATIVE work. However, I would really try to focus on VALUES, as COLOR is never (or should never be) independent of it.

Good luck, and I look forward to seeing your results! :)

inkonyto
07-20-2005, 02:30 PM
Hello everybody, seems CGtalk has some new clothes today :)

Mavrick71, thanks for your comment :), i'll try another one as soon as possible.... But first i need to work shading on simple shapes, as Rebecca suggested me (thanks again for these advices)

By the way, there are two helping things, no offence to anybody's skill, but it can help begginers as me :)

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/skull_face.jpg

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/skull_profil.jpg

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 02:50 PM
inkonyto,

Thanks for posting this! I would encourage anyone with something cool like this to share to do so. :)

~Rebeccak

endseason
07-20-2005, 04:12 PM
hello all,
here is my attempt, did it in 1.30 h (lunch break:))
i used single layer, brush and eraser in photoshop,
the reference pic (http://www.bio.psu.edu/people/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/lateral.htm)


http://free.siportal.it/paolocalloni/test/skull.jpg

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 04:16 PM
endseason,

hi, ho, glad you are joining us! This is a really nice piece! I am amazed at the speed with which people can paint these days ~ can you tell us a bit about your background / training?
:)

~Rebeccak

endseason
07-20-2005, 04:52 PM
endseason,

hi, ho, glad you are joining us! This is a really nice piece! I am amazed at the speed with which people can paint these days ~ can you tell us a bit about your background / training?
:)

~Rebeccak

i am the one happy to join, lucky me this time i found some spare time to draw for ur thread.
my background is a mix of traditional and digital, mostly selftaugh thanks to resources as CGTALK and books.

Mavrick71
07-20-2005, 04:55 PM
I decided to do a side view of the skull, I thought I'd post it here before I got around to shading it, just to check the anatomy, it looks pretty good to me, but if you find anything wrong with this, or any of my drawings feel free to rip me to pieces.
http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/404/skullba7uh.jpg

jmBoekestein
07-20-2005, 05:23 PM
I did one too, used the frontal view provided before.

Took me 2.5 hours, but I'm not a painter actually. I'm pretty happy about it so far.
I focused on contrast and so on, to see what happens with only 3 colours, quite amazing fun. :D

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/8578/skullexercise4pn.jpg

there...had the wrong image up. lol.

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 05:27 PM
jmBoekestein,

WOW!!! Awesome!!! :thumbsup: That's a really BEAUTIFUL piece you've got going there, I am super impressed! :bounce: Ok, actually, that deserves another bouncy guy: :bounce: :)

Thanks for posting this! It rocks!!! :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 05:32 PM
Gack! Didn't see your guys' posts! :)

endseason,

Awesome! It's cool to know more about people and what their training is, so thanks! :)

Mavrick71,

There is nothing to rip to pieces, don't worry! One thing I would recommend ~ drawing LARGER. Maybe this is a small, shrunk down version, but to REALLY get in there and go after a WIDE range of Values, you have to work bigger. But you have a great start, and I can't wait to see your results! Thanks for posting this! :)

~Rebeccak

Spin99
07-20-2005, 05:45 PM
Hi Rebecca,

Well you really got me going now :)
I spent a couple of hours on this, since I got my wacom nibs today.
Love the new CGTalk look.

I started by tracing the reference and proceeded to draw and render on top.
Let me note that I do not hold copyright on the left image which is a wonderful RF photo.
I used Rebecca's pallete and brushes on this.

Hope you enjoy!

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1798/shakes4uh.th.jpg (http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shakes4uh.jpg)

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 05:50 PM
Spin99,

Good work! Thank you for posting this! Now I would recommend the following: freehand draw the same skull, now that you've traced it, and more thoroughly shade using more of a painting technique than a drawing ~ cross-hatching technique. Though the cross~hatching is very nice, I think you will learn a lot more about shading through a more painterly approach, particularly when you are using the digital medium.

Good luck, and look forward to seeing your results! :)

~Rebeccak

jmBoekestein
07-20-2005, 05:56 PM
:D

Thanks a lot Rebeccak, hehehe... :blush: 't was real fun to do...I'm going to do this way more often. :wip:

Mavrick71
07-20-2005, 06:07 PM
Oh, I didn't think it was bad, but I was just putting that in there for future reference.
Here's the shaded version, and I'll work bigger next time.
It's about 2 1/2" x 2 1/4"
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/3264/skullba00019uy.jpg

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 06:14 PM
jmBoekestein,

WooHoo! More posts! It's like Christmas/Hannukah/Kwanza/name your holiday, that's what it's like it is! ;)

Mavrick71,

Hey, looking good! Looking forward to seeing the super-sized version! :)

~Rebeccak

Spin99
07-20-2005, 06:15 PM
@Euphrosyne
cool thing to do to a skull :p

@endseason
love the style

@jmBoekestein
nice brush stroke very perfect work :)

Rebecca,

Thanks a lot :D
Actually I used layers and by the time I finished tracing
I couldn't see the original anymore.

I use a white veil layer to hide the reference photo.
I think I'll take your advice on my next skull, and post a painting no tracing this time.

bandersnatch
07-20-2005, 07:14 PM
i ended up doing 3, and im gonna do more tonight. but im gonna choose this one for now.

*edit attached the other two i made last night as well. :D cheers!

http://www.elbandersnatcho.com/dsg/skull-front.jpg

http://elbandersnatcho.com/dsg/skull-side.jpg

http://elbandersnatcho.com/dsg/skull-back.jpg

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 07:33 PM
bandersnatch,

Wow, 3! It would be cool to see them all, but you don't have to show them if you don't want to :) ~ but this one is looking great! I actually like the eraser marks in the top of the skull, they look quite expressive, even if it's not what you intended.

Looking forward to seeing more of your work! :)

~Rebeccak

Jean Genie
07-20-2005, 09:09 PM
This is my take on the skull. First post in this forum although I did the other tutorials.
Always interesting to see how other people work and receive feedback.
Thanks for the opportunity...

Edit: Anyone knows why my image comes as a thumbnail while most people have a full image?

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 09:14 PM
Jean Genie,

Hey, it's cool that you're posting! Thanks for doing the other tutorials, that's pretty cool to hear! :)

Looking good so far ~ do you want to tell us about your background / training / artistic interests?

Thanks for the post! :)

~Rebeccak

Jean Genie
07-20-2005, 09:32 PM
Jean Genie,

Hey, it's cool that you're posting! Thanks for doing the other tutorials, that's pretty cool to hear! :)

Looking good so far ~ do you want to tell us about your background / training / artistic interests?

Thanks for the post! :)

~Rebeccak

Well, I've been drawing since I was a kid, but I never actually learned what the human skeleton and muscles looked like. I recently realised how important it was. I was in the process of diving into that when I saw your tutorials. It's good practice.

As for artistic interests, they're pretty wide. These days, I'm getting to understand how painting differs from drawing. That takes most of my time...

Thanks for the reply and this forum...

Squibbit
07-20-2005, 09:34 PM
Jean Genie!! Can I have a wish ?




.

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 09:43 PM
Ooh! I have a wish! I wish Squibbit would post skulls on this thread! <boink!>

;)

~Rebeccak

jmBoekestein
07-20-2005, 09:45 PM
Edit: Anyone knows why my image comes as a thumbnail while most people have a full image?

It's because you attached your file, the server handles it it's own way. Most here are probably using image hosts. I use imageshack.us ( add the www), they have a little program for windows explorer to right click and upload, really handy tool.

@spin99, thankee...it was great fun, I just grabbed the first acrylic brush and resized it as fit, gives a textured feel or something. Really fun, I used Painter IX.

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 09:58 PM
Come on, Sir Squibbit! POST! POST! POST! POST! :)

~Join the party! :)

~Rebeccak

Jean Genie
07-20-2005, 10:48 PM
It's because you attached your file, the server handles it it's own way. Most here are probably using image hosts. I use imageshack.us ( add the www), they have a little program for windows explorer to right click and upload, really handy tool.


Thanks, I'll look into it.

Squibbit; what on earth could you wish for?

Squibbit
07-21-2005, 12:24 AM
Lady, Becca, as promised *bows*

Yea , it's his birthday, whatever he was
(the ref pic was just some skull from the net, not necessarily human)

Lady Jean, I wish you well :D

i so gotta learn to paint, i so hate to post pics like this :blush:

http://www.saunalahti.fi/panuom/skull_learn1.jpg

inkonyto
07-21-2005, 01:26 AM
lol Squibbit :scream: And happy birthday to him ! (PS : is it real painting ? Or digital ? i find it great)

Well i practiced "apple tutorial", and i think it's definitly not an easy tutorial (for me :)). Actually, i have almost never done such training of shading... Now i realize one of my great weakness... Thanks Rebecca for that

I'll go on with those exercice.... Eat apple !!

First one :

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/apple_1.jpg

Second:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/apple_2.jpg

Third (not finished) :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/apple_3.jpg

RobertoOrtiz
07-21-2005, 02:59 AM
Rebecca asked me to post this for her:

I am unable to post from home due to some technical strangeness (maybe tied into site reorganization? I dunno) but I am able to view peoples posts, and Squibbit, I am still laughing, and inkonyto, you did just a GREAT job! I am thoroughly impressed with both of you! Thanks for the great posts :-) Jean Genie, indeed Squibbit has nothing to wish for ~ however, he has made my dream come true by posting a skull with a birthday hat. Yay me!
Thanks guys, sorry for the stupidness, I will definitely be back on line tomorrow.

Thanks,

Rebecca

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 03:31 AM
Yay! It's now fixed, and I can now happily post away <runs sporadically in a circle, trips, then runs around again> :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 03:37 AM
Sir Squibbitage, <curtsies, trips on fabric, falls> ~

Excellent work! I hope t'was not your birthday, poor fellow ~ did Squibbit lose in the Squibbit vs. Squibbit mini challenge in WIP? We send our fondest regrets to...Squibbit. :)

inkonyto,

You have done a fantastic job with the shading exercise! I think it's great that you posted these, they look really great! I appreciate that you did this three times, and I especially like your second drawing. Good work! :thumbsup:

Ah...thank goodness I'm back online...I nearly went into withdrawal... ;)

~Rebeccak

Squibbit
07-21-2005, 08:25 AM
inkyoto - -- just digital stuff


Ah...thank goodness I'm back online...I nearly went into withdrawal... ;)
~Rebeccak

*Helps Becca back on her feet* -Careful there, milady, should watch your
step a bit more with all these skulls and stuff lying around ...

aennnd:
if da computer don't work, u just disappear into the woods for weeks,
not go into withdrawals, tsk tsk ...


.

Sulla
07-21-2005, 08:36 AM
Well I finaly got a chance to do the skull project. Its done in with Conte Crayon, Charcoal and White Chalk. Let me know what you think.

http://www.thebibleproject.com/art/Skull_Project_Small.jpg

underearth
07-21-2005, 11:46 AM
hi there

this is mine first ost done with 6b pencile

and skull was real and very old not from oic the real skull

not able to post skull pictur(used as reference)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/underearth/SKULL1.jpg

underearth
07-21-2005, 11:53 AM
this is my another entry

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/underearth/skull2.jpg

inkonyto
07-21-2005, 01:21 PM
Good work! :thumbsup:
Ah...thank goodness I'm back online...I nearly went into withdrawal... ;)

Thanks a bunch Rebecca.... I tryed to follow your tutorial... By the way, i noticed the great shading you've done with your apple : The lovely reflected color, the subtle shading in the lighter area... arf
PS : Seems you had mysticals bugs with your computer :p.... Driving you crazy :bounce:..... Try some magical incantation..... :rolleyes:

inkyoto - -- just digital stuff
OK ;) I like the way you deformed my name too :)
signed : incognito

Sulla, great skull... I love the use of white chalk for highlights

Underearth, It's funny, your skull seems to be really happy and confortable with his condition...

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 02:21 PM
Squibbit,

Oh, right! I didn't mean I ''nearly went into withdrawal" ~ I meant, "I went to the woods for a walk, and butterflies and birds and things formed an arch overhead whilst singing 'The Hills Are Alive' from The Sound of Music"...Yeah!

Sulla,

This is great! One thing I would say, though, is that while I like the tone of the brown paper, I think it's surface quality is making you work harder than is necessary. We all get attached to certain kinds of surfaces (I can't let go of newsprint, myself) but I think you might benefit from trying a few drawings on some higher quality artists' paper, such as can be found in art stores ~ especially something like a toned Canson or similarly high quality paper. I'm sure your drawings would look even more beautiful on a better surface! :) I've done a few drawings on the same paper as you're using, and there are certain properties which I like, but I would encourage you to just try something different. :)

But great work! And thanks for posting this! :)

underearth,

These look great, thank you for posting these! The only thing I would mention at this point is that in your first drawing (the bluish one) the eye sockets are a bit too far up in the skull ~ they should be more toward the middle of the skull. But I particularly like your line quality in your second drawing, you have a nice touch. Congrats on your first post! :)

inkonyto,

No problem, I can see you've gotten a lot of this, so that's thanks enough! And I didn't try a magical incantation, though I did try to delete my magical cookies... :)

Great work, guys! Keep posting your work! :)

~Rebeccak

Squibbit
07-21-2005, 02:26 PM
Squibbit,

Oh, right! I didn't mean I ''nearly went into withdrawal" ~ I meant, "I went to the woods for a walk, and butterflies and birds and things formed an arch overhead whilst singing 'The Hills Are Alive' from The Sound of Music"...Yeah!
~Rebeccak


but they really do that ... :sad:




.

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 02:27 PM
Uh ~ right! I was being completely serious! I also saw Bambi ~ Bambi says, "hi" :)

~Rebeccak <recovering from trippage>

Zephyri
07-21-2005, 05:46 PM
Phew... finally managed to finish this, after almost a full week of work lunchtimes, and then the scanner mangles it and destroys all my subtle shading! *insert curse here* This was drawn freehand, and as soon as I can print a copy of the image out, I'll porbably trace it to find out where I'm missing the proportions. I can certainly see why Singer sargent would spend ages getting the mass of the head tight before he even attempted features. But that aside, this has been a very useful exercise, I think I might tackle a head on view of the skull in digital next...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/cgtalk%20images/skullside.jpg

Squib, I love the texture you've got in that skull with so few colours, lovely! And I want to tell the joke about the skeleton who didn't go to the party now... :D

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 05:52 PM
Zepyhri,

Wow, I'm amazed at the dedication! Schweet! You've done some beautiful linework / crosshatching for the shading ~ I particularly like the back of the skull, where clearly you've put in the effort to delineate all of the little planes and shift in shadow. There is also a definite feeling of WEIGHT, particularly toward the back of the skull, and the front is contoured nicely with the background shading, without it becoming too obvious an outline.

Great work, thanks for posting this! I can't wait to see your digital piece! :)

~Rebeccak

Zephyri
07-21-2005, 06:03 PM
Thanks Rebecca... I'd call it being anal over detail more than dedication.. *grin* And I am curious as to the function of those two little holes in the jaw of the skull...

default-rol
07-21-2005, 06:08 PM
Yeah, I second this RebeccaK - just what the hell ARE those two holes at the bottom of the jaw? Should I clean them with cotton buds from time to time like I do my ears? <joke> (Two at the top as well above the eye...)

?????????????????.......... please enlighten us........

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 06:13 PM
From:

http://www.merckmedicus.com/pp/us/hcp/thcp_dorlands_content.jsp?pg=/ppdocs/us/common/dorlands/dorland/dmd-f-026.htm

mental foramen, foramen mentaĘle, [TA] an opening on the lateral part of the body of the mandible, opposite the second bicuspid tooth, for passage of the mental nerve and vessels.

Details details everywhere! :)

~Rebeccak

PS ~ I would recommend DENTAL FLOSS instead of cotton swabs ~ that way, you get to all the hard to reach places, too ;) <morbid grin>

default-rol
07-21-2005, 06:28 PM
Thanks Rebecca - reaching for the dental floss now... (I work in my bathroom wouldn't you know.)

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 06:39 PM
Floss wisely and well, my friend! Don't miss any of the skelly bugs that may be inhabiting the premises <ewwwwwwwwww!> :)

~Ok, the next Lesson has GOT to be about bunnies... :)

~Rebeccak

Squibbit
07-21-2005, 06:42 PM
And I want to tell the joke about the skeleton who didn't go to the party now... :D

Go right ahead, dunno if I've even heard that :shrug:


.

stipick_S
07-21-2005, 06:45 PM
zephryi- nice work. very well done. the teeth are very well done, something most of us here at the forum have glossed over very quickly.

sulla- i like this skull too. I love the tone and apprecite the use of colors to express that. The right side looks a tad off or maybe something might be missing. other than that good job.

here is a tonal digital study. took the color skull and desaturated it, add a 50% tonal sepia then gave it some flavor (ie. brushstrokes), then colored over the skull with the approprute hue in the appropriate value. redrew the edges and worked back into it to establish masses, subtle shading and value.


shaun

Sulla
07-21-2005, 06:46 PM
Ya your right its not the best paper. I just have not had the chance to order any large colored artist paper. But when I get some I will post something on the forum with it:)

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 06:47 PM
stipick_S,

Your link is broken, or am I just overeager and you're still firing up the barbie? :)

~Rebeccak

stipick_S
07-21-2005, 06:51 PM
previous reply erased... by myself...just ignore this post.

edit- i did not like the way that came across. some how it will probably get me in trouble even though it was innocent.

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 07:04 PM
Hahahahaha! BBQ beaver, now that is pretty funny...yep, it's cool to see new work, so I prolly upped the hits counter a few times by hitting *refresh!* ;) Woo!

Anyhoo ~

The texture you've got going there is looking pretty smooth (cool). You do, however, have a few problems with proportion, and the main thing I would note is that the eyes are too far up in the skull ~ it seems unintuitive, but eyes / eyesockets actually fall about in the MIDDLE of the face/skull, and not in the upper third. The eyesocket should also be a bit larger relative to everything else, and the teeth a bit smaller. The upper part of the mandible is a bit too elongated I think.

---

Here is my recommendation for anyone working digitally / Photoshop and needs to tweak their proportions:

First save your original version, then take a flattened version of this image, create a separate layer behind the image layer and fill it with your existing background color, and marquee select the areas which you want to move around / rescale / etc. and feather the selection by about 5 pixels. Then just move / scale that selection and paste it onto a layer above your original image layer, and blend it back into the original image using your favorite blending tools / be it the rubber stamp tool, bandaid tool thingy, or whatever ~ and voila! Instant fix. (Note that with the bandaid thingy tool, you must be working on a flattened version of your image in order for it to work. But always keep your individual layers beneath a MERGED layer of your image until you are completely happy with how you have reworked / repositioned things).

Hope this helps the digitally inclined! :)

~Rebeccak

stipick_S
07-21-2005, 07:15 PM
I allways love your crits.! I will take everything you said and create a much better skull this time around. I dont think I will be editing this one though, I think I will start over and give it another shot. I hate my digital skull and would have rather hidden it form the world, but I said i would give digital painting a try and psot it. I am still on the fence about digital painting, I think I need some more practice to get used to it. Thanks for all your great help! You're the best!

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 07:23 PM
stipick_S,

Hey, you da best, man, you da best! ;)

It's great that you're always so enthused about suggestions, it makes me feel as though I actually know something! :) Looking forward to your new results ~ working on a little screen cap demo of the verbal stuff I just posted previously...I can be...wordy.

Thanks for your posts! :)

~Rebeccak

Spin99
07-21-2005, 07:50 PM
@Squibbit
And how old is he now?
Nice painting btw :)

Hi Rebecca,

Here's the beginnings of a new shading/painting exercise.
No tracing, I started with ballpoint sketches I think they still visible.
I haven't used ballpoint in a while and ended up with more lines than a pack of chinese noodles..

I'm ready to paint just got lazy today.
I think he went purple because of the strict diet of underground maggots (RF image as usual).
Oh and Bambi didn't say "Hi" she said "Moo" I swear I swear :D

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/6033/shakes3copy2tf.th.jpg (http://img336.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shakes3copy2tf.jpg)

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 08:02 PM
Ok, so here is a DEMO of the steps one might take in a Digital Drawing / Painting to easily change Proportions, or whatever:


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/SKULL_PROPRTN_DEMO1.jpg

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 08:02 PM
(Continued)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/SKULL_PROPRTN_DEMO2.jpg

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 08:13 PM
Spin99,

Looking nice! The colors in your Reference photo are awesome, but I would encourage you to DESATURATE the image (Ctrl + Shift +U) and then adjust the levels or increase the brightness / contrast of the Reference image until you can more clearly see the VALUES. Then go in and shade your really nice freehand drawing using JUST VARIATIONS of BLACK, GRAY, and WHITE.

Note: Even if you are working completely TRADITIONALLY, DESATURATING the Reference image will help you to see the Values.

Good luck, and I look forward to seeing your results! :)

~Rebeccak

PixelFloss
07-21-2005, 08:42 PM
Rebecca,

Here's my take at this lesson. I used one of the photos you provided.

http://users.koz.sch.gr/atsiozos/anatomy003.jpg

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 08:49 PM
PixelFloss,

Thank you for posting this! :) Can you tell me, is this all traditional or all digital, or both?
It's hard to tell these days! :)

~Rebeccak

Squibbit
07-21-2005, 09:10 PM
@Squibbit
And how old is he now?
Nice painting btw :)


thanks!

only you know how old he is ... (mysterious,huh? heh)

i think you're right about the maggots, not so sure about
bambi...

Brucesusername
07-21-2005, 09:24 PM
i told myself that I will partake in all your lessons so i did my pic for this 1!

i showed the original pic next to it like u said to do. i didnt trace it but i used the eyedropper tool to use the exact colours. :thumbsup: it looks a lort better scaled down so i might give it a body n stuff n it shuld look propper bo instead of propper bobbins.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/natbruce3/skullcopy.jpg

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 09:36 PM
Brucesusername,

I'm glad you're participating! Here is my recommendation: try this in traditional media, using the pencil or pen of your choice. Traditional media give you much greater control and flexibility for certain drawing exercises, and you are not faced with the slick surface which a Wacom tablet provides. Having such a slick surface takes time to get used to, and I strongly believe that traditional methods come first, and digital methods second, in terms of learning how to draw and paint. That's just me :).

I think also that you ought to work strictly in black and white. (Really, black/gray if you are using pencil / pen). Pen in particular forces you to go after small details, which the digital medium can allow you to gloss over.

One other recommendation would be to draw LARGER. This will enable you to see more detail and cause you to have to think more about what it is that you are seeing when looking at the reference.

Definitely try this ~ doing a different drawing in pencil or pen and scanning it ~ and we'll go from there. I look forward to seeing your results! :)

~Rebeccak

PixelFloss
07-21-2005, 10:55 PM
PixelFloss,

Thank you for posting this! :) Can you tell me, is this all traditional or all digital, or both?
It's hard to tell these days! :)

~Rebeccak

Rebecca,
it's all digital, done in Deeppaint in about one hour time. I used "Water Color Wash" for the shading and only three colors black, gray and white. I really don't like the background though. Any idea how to make it more interesting? (Pure black maybe?)

Slux
07-21-2005, 11:05 PM
Hi everyone
Its me again ... here is another skull as I promised. I have used my initial sketch so the shape is same but this one is shaded in Photoshop. Hope you like it :blush: .....

http://draw.sluxweb.net/skull/skull-ps.jpg

Here is the previous one so you can compare ... Photoshop vs Pencil
http://draw.sluxweb.net/skull/skull600x924.jpg

- Slux

default-rol
07-21-2005, 11:42 PM
Tried one of these greyscale paintings you have been talking about - Reference from page 1. Corel painter IX (again.)

http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/4296/skullfrontmood2107054ne.jpg

RobertoOrtiz
07-22-2005, 01:09 AM
Rebecca is still having problems with her connection, so I am posting her latest comments:


PixelFloss,

I would definitely darken the background, as you will then be able to achieve a greater range of Values within the skull ~ remember that VALUE is all about degrees of contrast, and one value being RELATIVE to another ~ so that if you put a dark black against a light gray, the effect will be more contrasty than if you put a dark black against a dark gray.

Additionally, I would spend more time refining the values of the skull. It is easy to forget that Painting is essentially DRAWING, so be careful not to lose focus on the DRAWING aspect of this digital painting ~ I would go back and carefully reinforce linework to establish a stronger drawing, and worry about shading secondarily. A drawing can read without ANY shading if it is drawn well.

Keep going on this, and I look forward to seeing your post! :)

Squibbit just cracks me up...

Slux,

Another fantastic piece! You are really doing a great job, thank you for all of your really great submissions! I like that you have really gone after more detail in this piece vs. the Painter piece, in which the emphasis was more on mood.

I think the top half of the skull is frankly stronger than the bottom half ~ which is natural, since we tend to start at the top of things, and work down. Don't let go of the same tight focus and attention to proportion as you move down the page / skull. I would refine the teeth a bit more and maybe lessen the amount of contrast a bit. The jaw is growing a bit long, and this is another effect of working from top to bottom ~ so just keep this in mind as you work / are evaluating your piece.

I think this is a case where you can use the Photoshop tweaking demo to subtly alter areas which may not be in perfect proportion.

However, having said that, this is an excellent piece, and you should work to refine and finish it as a portfolio piece if you do not already have something similar for your portfolio. Pay particular attention to the outer edges of the skull once everything else has been refined, as presentation is very important.

Great work, and I am thrilled to see your post! :)

default.rol / Mike,

You've done a great job, and I appreciate your doing multiple versions of the skull drawing for this exercise ~ I think you will get a great deal out of this this way! I can definitely see that you are paying close attention to the subtleties of light and dark, and that is exactly what this exercise is meant to do ~ not so much to produce a photorealistic rendition of the reference, but to enforce the principle of looking for VALUE and not COLOR when looking at any type of reference ~ be it a live model, or a color photograph. In a color saturated world, it is easy to be fooled into thinking that it is color which defines our perception of objects and people and the world around us ~ when in fact it is LIGHT which defines form and the shadows which it casts.

Great to see everyone going a great distance on this exercise! It's awesome to see everyone's work, and I hope you guys continue to push your work even further! :)

~Rebeccak

CBee
07-22-2005, 01:58 AM
Rebecca,
:blush:thanks for your comments. You've encouraged me to inflict... er, post more drawings on this thread. :D That holes in the jaw tidbit of info was also interesting. I thought they were just put there by some mad scientist so he could hang the skulls he had in his closet. :eek:

Squibbit,
that was sick, twisted and absolutely hysterical. Love the skull! :)

Everyone,
great skulls. I learn something new with each post. Great stuff!

jinnseng
07-22-2005, 02:43 AM
Default.rol,
I really like your last piece. I'm curious as to what brush you used? I've only been using the program for about 3 weeks now so I am not so knowledgable on the different brush variations.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/cgskullinferior.jpg

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 03:56 AM
CBee,

No problem! Post away! :) People do indeed have skull skills :).

jinnseng,

AWESOME! This is a BEAUTIFUL piece! :applause: Kudos for being the first to try this view. You are doing a great job ~ keep up the beautiful work! :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 04:03 AM
Sorry for the technical problems...I finally downloaded Firefox vs IE and so things are working a bit better, tho not perfectly. Seems that at home I am not able to remain logged on when I attempt to post a reply sometimes...but hopefully the issue is resolved with Firefox.

Technology...sometimes you love it...sometimes ~ not so much! :)

~Rebeccak

Sulla
07-22-2005, 05:21 AM
stipick_S (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=160528) vbmenu_register("postmenu_2482163", true); - Thanks glad you like it and also I liked the colored one you did.

PixelFloss
07-22-2005, 07:57 AM
Rebecca,

thank you for the comments. I'll change the background and do the lineart again. I want to do as many versions as possible esp. in these first lessons to ... take advantage of your courtesy/patience :D .

It's exciting to see on this thread how other people progress.

default-rol
07-22-2005, 09:29 AM
Hi RebeccaK -

Thanks for the feedback, It took me longer than it should have to do though, as I kept just pushing the brush around trying to work out what I wanted to achieve. I couldn't work out if I should keep it loose or try to define parts more.

Good idea on Firefox browser - I have used it for over a year now and have had only minor difficulties with it.

Jinnseng -

I tried numerous brushes to begin with (when trying to decide on a "look" for the piece,) but plumped for the "trusty airbrush" in the end at very low opacity to get the layering of colour going. I am totally new to the program too you see... I liked your choice of view for your pic btw, and I think you did a great job. what brushes did you use?:D

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 11:07 AM
Sulla,

I'm not sure if you tried to post something, but nothing shows up...maybe try again? :)

PixelFloss,

Indeed, it is awesome to see how much work people are putting into their skull drawings! :)

default.rol / Mike,

Sounds like you did what most of us do, which is tweak until we're happy with the results :)
And yep, man am I happy to be back online.

Keep up the great work, guys! :)

~Rebeccak

endseason
07-22-2005, 01:21 PM
very nice skulls, this thread is collecting lotta nice drawings.

dunno if it could be of interest but here is how i organized my workspace when i did my skull (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2478872&postcount=159), on the upper left a smaller copy of the reference (desaturated), on the right the drawing wich is a bigger scale than the ref(to not be tempted to trace the reference :) ), and on the bottom left layers and tools, the psd image was same resolution as monitor to not have resample zoom effect while working.

http://free.siportal.it/paolocalloni/test/makingskull.jpg

layers was: bottom layer white, a 50%grey layer where i drew the skull (having white under let me to sketch faster the light areas just with eraser, the layer with the skull reference desaturated, and than some copies of the reference photo (one blurred as suggested by rebecca.

have a good day

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 02:06 PM
endseason,

Hey, this is very cool! Thanks for sharing it with us! :) I think your eraser idea is a GREAT one, and your layout looks very convenient!

Should anyone else like to share their setup or techniques, absolutely feel free to do so!

Thanks for posting this! :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
07-22-2005, 02:11 PM
Hi Rebecca and everyone else
Thanks for crits Rebecca. I have tried to follow your advices so here is the result. I think the biggest problem was the jaw was to low and I believe its better now. I have also worked on teeth little more dunno if you can see the difference also contrast is a bit lower. Hope you like it ...

http://draw.sluxweb.net/skull/skull-ps2.jpg

Here is the previous version for comparison
http://draw.sluxweb.net/skull/skull-ps.jpg

EDIT:
My setup ? sure .... I have reference on one monitor and for drawing I have another and it works just fine :D

EDIT2:
Hmmm when you talk about tools ... Nebeziel mentioned recently that liquify tool can be quite useful so I gave it a try since I don't use it very often and I must say it works just great ... I have refined whole lower jaw in few minutes and without any need to redraw something. I have even moved some teeth without trouble ... But if you want use it I recommend bigger brush because smaller ones tends to smudge it but bigger ones just move it without smudging.

- Slux

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 02:31 PM
Slux,

I am hugely impressed with your update and with the fact that you used my comments to improve your piece ~ I think it's really beautiful, and wanted to highlight your results.

Here I've just shown a scaled down comparison of the before and after shots to show people that you've done a great job in improving your piece:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/slux_improved.jpg


Your proportions are now tremendously improved, and there is now the same level of detail on the lower half of the skull as on the upper. The mandible is definitely cleaner and this looks more like a finished piece.

I have one minor crit on the new version which you may take with a grain of salt ~ I still think that the area just above the teeth can be refined a little bit more, and have a bit less contrast, similarly to the way you have treated the area just below the lower teeth.

But overall, I am really impressed with your work and with the fact that you took the time to improve an already nice piece.

Great job!!! :bounce:

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 03:05 PM
BTW, for those of you who have posted color works *cough* *Squibbit* I would encourage you to work in Black, White, and Gray only so as to really be able to see VALUE.

What do people think about continuing this lesson for another few days, to allow folks to update their work and submit new posts?

~Rebeccak

PixelFloss
07-22-2005, 03:24 PM
BT
What do people think about continuing this lesson for another few days, to allow folks to update their work and submit new posts?


Yes, yes please! I wanna do more skulls. Skulls are good practice.

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 03:34 PM
PixelFloss,

Cool, no problem! :) This will give me extra time to review work, as well as for people to post revisions. This Lesson is a bit different from the previous ones in that I know folks are able to make their own corrections to their work if I point just a few things out ~ Slux is a great example, as well as many others of you who have reposted your work, thank you! ~ so I'd like to do some revisions over the weekend, post them Monday, and have people repost their improvements next week.

Hope this is ok with everyone :)

~Rebeccak

EDIT: The reason I think it's a good plan to allow people to repost work is the fact that people have been posting really great work which we are all learning things from, and I think that everyone will benefit from the extra time to absorb the new posts and to recorrect work on their own, or with the help of some tips from me. Good luck, guys, and I look forward to seeing your improvements! :)

jmBoekestein
07-22-2005, 03:42 PM
I think that's a good idea :).

Might be able to squeeze one more in this weekend. Very interesting shading techniques, or results, very different all of them.

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 03:50 PM
jmBoekestein,

Schweet! I think it would be great if you did a new one ~ your last one rocked! :) Yes, I think that everyone is doing such a great job here, that it would be a shame to move on to the next Lesson prematurely. As is natural, things pick up during the middle of the Lessons, and more and more folks submit their work toward the end, so that by the time I'm reviewing work, there are still folks submitting work that I can't get to. So I'd just prefer to allow enough time for new people to post their work, and give time to those who have already posted to make their own revisions based on the excellent work they have seen here. :)

Thanks! :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 03:55 PM
Guys/Gals,

Also, I think it's Awesome what endseason did in his post #231, which was to show a screen cap of his technique and process. If you would like to share yours, PLEASE DO SO, as I think it will benefit everyone here.

If you submit your own mini-tutorial here on this thread about your technique/s and process/es, please do not make images any WIDER THAN 600 PIXELS - length may vary, but please keep images to this WIDTH.

Thanks, everyone, and I hope you will share with us your tips for how you work! :)

~Rebeccak

PixelFloss
07-22-2005, 04:54 PM
Rebecca,
I have a REALLY hard time following the way you shade in the apple tutorial. If I understand it correctly you block the darkest and lightest areas and then paint the shades in between. I've done that a couple of times and I always end up with disconnected blotches of color. I find it much more controllable (don't know why) to start at the borders of the form with some random shade and then advance to the lightest and darkest areas from there. Then I go over the whole drawing again and again to redefine dark light.
Am I supposed to start with a gray background and apply the tones from there? I'm talking digital here. Also is it mandatory to shade the darkest/lightest value from the start? Why not paint the whole form gray and then rub to get the highlights? Are these methods viable? Am I asking too much? Whew!

OK, here's a revised skull. I followed your previous tips.

http://users.koz.sch.gr/atsiozos/anatomy003-2.jpg

Really confused here.:sad:

PixelFloss
07-22-2005, 04:58 PM
the psd image was same resolution as monitor to not have resample zoom effect while working.

AHA! That's a great tip, endseason. Thanks for that.

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 05:17 PM
PixelFloss,

WOW! What an improvement! Thank you for all the questions ~ I am happy to try to help. :) ~ And anyone else should feel free to jump in here. These are all VERY good, valid questions.

First, let me say that EVERYONE works slightly differently. The method which I demonstrated for digitally shading is just MY approach. You may certainly approach the problem in whatever way is most comfortable or logical to you :). My concern here is less HOW people shade than THAT they SEE VALUES. That is the purpose of the exercise, not a specific technique for how to go about shading an image.

Endseason did a great thing and posted HIS technique, which seems like a great approach ~ and one I had not thought of, because I'm just me :) ~ but it seems like a method which might be more comfortable for you and maybe other people, too. Endseason used a SUBTRACTIVE shading method where he ERASED to reveal white highlights, whereas I used an ADDITIVE technique where I kept adding successive layers of whites, grays, and blacks to build up a sense of Form. EITHER IS A VALID TECHNIQUE. :) It is worthwhile, I believe, to experiment with both methods and find what works for you as an individual artist. We all think differently ~ that's ok :).

One thing which I DO RECOMMEND is to always start a digital painting with a mid-tone gray WASH, and to work up and down the VALUE SCALE (Lighter Lights, Darker Darks) to achieve Form. Starting too Light will make your work harder, it's nearly guaranteed. This is because VALUE is about CONTRAST, and if you start with a pure white background, you have nothing against which White will be Contrasted. Remember, the key to VALUES is that they are RELATIVE to each other ~ VALUE DOES NOT EXIST WITHOUT ITS SURROUNDING VALUES.

Having said that, ANY APPROACH IS VALID. There are no "mistakes" or "right approaches", only tips and suggestions for how one should work. Hope this helps :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
07-22-2005, 06:30 PM
Hmm its me again .... there is another update. As was already pointed out contrast between lower and upper teeth was quite high so I tryed to lower it a bit so it would fit together better. Hmmm dunno .. what you think ? ...

http://draw.sluxweb.net/skull/skull-ps3.jpg

and here is previous version for comparison
http://draw.sluxweb.net/skull/skull-ps2.jpg

default-rol
07-22-2005, 06:59 PM
RebeccaK

If you keep this thread running over the weekend, then I will try my level best to post one more skull. I might try this one in PS for a change... :D

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 07:00 PM
Slux,

You're amazing! Thanks for posting your improvement. I have a few more minor things to point out, and then I think you will have an amazing finished piece for your portfolio:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/slux_improved_2.jpg

I just think you need to smooth the shading in the noted areas a bit more until they are perfect ~ then, I think you will have an AWESOME piece which no one will be able to critique! :)

GREAT work!! :thumbsup:

~Rebeccak

CBee
07-22-2005, 07:10 PM
Seems that at home I am not able to remain logged on when I attempt to post a reply sometimes...but hopefully the issue is resolved with Firefox.
-Rebecca

So this isn't a connection problem? Hmmm...

Might be a problem with your cookie settings in your browser. I had a similar problem when I first became a member. And again when they switched the URL of the forums to forums.cgsociey.org.

If you have cookies disabled or set to expire when you close the browser this will happen. You either need to add the forum URL to your exceptions list or allow cookies to be set until they expire.

In Firefox its Tools > Options > Cookies

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 07:22 PM
CBee,

Awesome, thanks! I have been playing with the cookie settings, though nothing seems to work. Firefox works BETTER but not perfectly, so there are many times when I:

1. go to the front page, log on.
2. go to the Anatomy forum page - where I am promptly logged off.
3. I log on to the Anatomy forum page.
4. I go to post a reply, and I am promptly logged off and bumped back to the cgtalk home page.

Initially, adding the cgtalk url (now different url) to the cookies exceptions list seemed to work, but it doesn't work any longer for whatever wierd reason. Meh ~ the webmaster is working with me to try to figure it out ~ in the meantime I am just trying to post as much during the day as possible, and using poor Roberto as my Stephen Hawking communication device in the evenings ~ sorry Roberto! Hopefully it will resolve itself soon. Thank you for the advice! :)

~Rebeccak

CBee
07-22-2005, 07:52 PM
Oh, that's a bit more complex. Cookies would explain problems 1-3 but not 4. Cookies disabled would just log you out every time you visited a new page not bump you back to the home page. And you would get a not logged in message when you tried to get to the post screen not a redirect. Strange.

Maybe this is a curse placed on forum leaders? :)

Rebeccak
07-22-2005, 07:55 PM
Ha ha ha! My luck...the person who needs to post the most gets to post the least. No soup for me, I guess :).

~Rebeccak