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Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:27 PM
SPECIAL NOTE - posted 1/23/06:

SINCE THIS IS LARGELY A CLOSED THREAD, FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN FURTHER EXPLORING BASIC DRAWING CONCEPTS, PLEASE SEE THE FOLLOWING (ACTIVE) THREAD:

Here we explore the Concept of Gesture ~ anyone is free to join in! :)

Beginners' Lounge (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=297229)

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REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review 003: SHADING TUTORIAL AND HUMAN SKULL EXERCISE




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REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review 003: SHADING TUTORIAL AND HUMAN SKULL EXERCISE

Welcome to the inaugural thread of Rebecca Kimmel’s Anatomy Review. Hopefully this will be one of many "tutorials" that I will be writing about the core concepts concerning drawing the human figure in an artistically anatomical way.

But first let me tell you a bit about myself -- I graduated with honors from the Art Center College of Design having studied Illustration. I studied under the popular teachers Harry Carmean, Burne Hogarth, and Steve Huston among many others. I have always had the interest in teaching figurative drawing and artistic anatomy, and I am thankful to Roberto Ortiz for presenting me with this unique and special opportunity. So bear with me as this is a fledgling teaching attempt :)

So bring your drawing pads, sketch books, your wacoms and your pencils & pens, and let’s start drawing. :)

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Part III: SHADING TUTORIAL AND HUMAN SKULL EXERCISE

Shading is about seeing images / life in terms of black, white, and all the grays in between. A very common mistake which beginning artists tend to make is to jump straight into color with very little understanding of what lies behind color: VALUE. A deep understanding of VALUE is one key concept which separates a beginning artist from an experienced one. So it’s time to delve into an understanding of VALUE and what components make it up.

SHADING is made up of 5 key components:


Highlight – Where the Light Source hits the form or figure directly – the brightest area on the form or figure
Form Shadow – The General Shadow cast over the form or figure – the Darkest Part of which is the Core Shadow
Core Shadow – The Darkest part of the Form Shadow
Cast Shadow – The Shadow cast by the form of figure on the Surface Plane (floor, table, etc.) upon which the form or figure is sitting / standing
Reflected Light – The light bounced back onto the form or figure by the Surface Plane (floor, table, etc.) upon which the form or figure is sitting / standing
THE HUMAN SKULL will start off our first ANATOMY lesson in this LESSON series.

You may choose to do a drawing of THE HUMAN SKULL using the below Reference photos, or you may choose to find REFERENCE OF YOUR OWN. If you use your own Reference, please post YOUR REFERENCE OR A LINK TO YOUR REFERENCE ALONG WITH YOUR DRAWING.

LINKS TO IMAGES OF THE HUMAN SKULL:

Anterior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/anterior.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/anterior.htm)

Lateral View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/lateral.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/lateral.htm)

Posterior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/behind.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/behind.htm)

Superior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/superior.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/superior.htm)

Inferior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/inferior.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/inferior.htm)

Mandible of Skull

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/mandible.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/mandible.htm)

Fetal Skull

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/fetal.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/fetal.htm)

FINAL NOTES:

So that’s it. Go now, pick that sketchbook up, and practice drawing the HUMAN SKULL using the SHADING TECHNIQUES outlined in the TUTORIAL BELOW. My advice is to do several and then pick the best to post here.

YOU HAVE ONE WEEK TO POST YOUR BEST PIECE(SHADED HUMAN SKULL DRAWING).

GENERAL RULES:

Once I have posted my lesson it will be your turn:

Post a drawing based on the topic or body part covered in this lesson. You may use a model (preferred) or photo reference.
A couple of times a month, a new thread will be posted on theWIP/Critique: 2D, Illustrations and Concept Art (http://www.cgtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=31) called:REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review [ID]: "Thread Title"



For example:



REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review 003: GESTURE SHADING TUTORIAL AND HUMAN SKULL EXERCISE



This will be the CORE thread, created by Rebecca Kimmel, where the lessons will be posted along with the FINAL pieces done by the participants.
This will be the only thread where artwork will be posted. Comments WILL be allowed on the thread.
(In short, when an artist wants to show his or her drawing based on the lesson, he or she just has to post a reply to the thread.)

Each entry will have:

An original piece done after the topic has been picked.
The artwork done by the participant based on the latest class.
And some more rules:

All artwork must have the following words written on them: (c) 2005 YOUR NAME
At the end of the week, I will pick up to 4 pieces of my choosing and will review them. My advice: KEEP IT SIMPLE
You are encouraged to use MODELS but if you cannot you can use PHOTO reference.
At the end of the week, I will pick up to 4 pieces of my choosing and will review them. My advice: KEEP IT SIMPLE.

All text and images posted on this lesson are © 2005, Rebecca Kimmel. Good luck!

-Roberto and Rebecca

DISCLAIMER: The creator of this thread, Roberto Ortiz, Rebecca Kimmel, CGNetworks and CGTALK are not responsible for what happens during these classes. Participants are posting under their own accord and their actions are their own. The aforementioned parties of Roberto Ortiz, Rebecca Kimmel, CGNetworks and CGTALK are in no way responsible for their actions and are thus not liable in any way.

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:34 PM
PLEASE NOTE THAT LESSON 003 IS MADE UP OF 2 PARTS: FIRST A GENERAL SHADING TUTORIAL, and THEN AN EXERCISE. YOU ARE NOT ASKED TO DRAW APPLES, BUT RATHER TO DRAW THE HUMAN SKULL.





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USEFUL THREAD LINKS:


Lesson 003: Guidelines:#1 (http://showpost.php/?p=2468755&postcount=1)


Digital Drawing / Painting Shading TUTORIAL:

#3 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468776&postcount=3)
#4 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468783&postcount=4)
#5 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468789&postcount=5)
#6 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468792&postcount=6)
#7 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468795&postcount=7)

Traditional Shading TUTORIAL:
#8 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468800&postcount=8)
#9 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468801&postcount=9)
#10 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468806&postcount=10)
#11 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468811&postcount=11)
#12 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468813&postcount=12)
#13 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468817&postcount=13)
#14 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468819&postcount=14)
#15 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2468826&postcount=15)

Rebecca's Skull Painting DEMO:
#89 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2474545&postcount=89)
#90 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2474547&postcount=90)

#112 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475684&postcount=112)
#113 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475686&postcount=113)

Rebecca's Photoshop Wash Explanation:
#135 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2476970&postcount=135)
#256 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2485141&postcount=256)

Rebecca's Photoshop Tweak Proportions Explanation:
#207 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2482217&postcount=207)

Rebecca's Photoshop Tweak Proportions DEMO:
#211 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2482345&postcount=211)
#212 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2482346&postcount=212)

Rebecca's ADDITIVE and SUBTRACTIVE Digital Painting DEMO:
#251 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484988&postcount=251)
#252 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484989&postcount=252)
#253 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484990&postcount=253)

Rebecca's Photoshop TEXTURE DEMO:
#295 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2488511&postcount=295)

Rebecca's Thoughts on DIGITAL DRAWING & PAINTING vs. TRADITIONAL DRAWING & PAINTING:
#325 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2489466&postcount=325)


Peoples' Individual POSTS:

scorpion007:
#32 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2469280&postcount=32)
#57 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2472258&postcount=57)
#96 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475165&postcount=96)
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Rosewarne: #39 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2470014&postcount=39)
commodore:
#44 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2470728&postcount=44)
#93 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475094&postcount=93)
default.rol:
#46 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2470948&postcount=46)
#221 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2482878&postcount=221)
#79 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2473948&postcount=79)
#260 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2485408&postcount=260)
jinnseng:
#51 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2471295&postcount=51)
#145 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2477322&postcount=145)
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#337 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2489853&postcount=337)
Mavrick71:
#53 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2471634&postcount=53)
#115 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475926&postcount=115)
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#169 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2479188&postcount=169)
inkonyto:
#6 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2472446&postcount=63)
#134 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2476968&postcount=134)
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#183 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2480382&postcount=183)
maj3d: #70 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2473093&postcount=70)
kaylon: #83 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2474188&postcount=83)
SunnyRaining: #99 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475279&postcount=99)
Vahn: #104 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475453&postcount=104)
magic man: #108 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475514&postcount=108)
Andyonahill: #114 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2475834&postcount=114)
Slux:
#117 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2476359&postcount=117)
#220 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2482802&postcount=220)
#233 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484155&postcount=233)
#234 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484185&postcount=234) (Rebecca's tweak suggestion)
#244 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484780&postcount=244)
#246 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484838&postcount=246)(Rebecca's tweak suggestion)
#270 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486296&postcount=270)
#272 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486593&postcount=272)
#273 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486608&postcount=273) (Rebecca's tweak suggestion)
#274 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486703&postcount=274)
#275 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486727&postcount=275) (Rebecca's tweak suggestion wrap-up)
#292 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2488426&postcount=292)
#293 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2488448&postcount=293) (Rebecca's tweak suggestion wrap-up)
#295 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2488511&postcount=295) (Rebecca's TEXTURE suggestion)
#390 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2499675&postcount=390)
#410 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2518410&postcount=410) (Some Useful 3D Skulls)
CBee: #151 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2477623&postcount=151)
endseason:
#159 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2478872&postcount=159)
#231 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2484072&postcount=231)
jmBoekestein:
#163 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2479048&postcount=163)
#340 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2489936&postcount=340)
#347 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2490813&postcount=347) (jmBoekestein's PAINTING DEMO)
#352 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2491029&postcount=352) (jmBoekestein's PAINTING DEMO)
bandersnatch: #172 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2479386&postcount=172)
JeanGenie: #174 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2479709&postcount=174)
Squibbit:
#182 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2480238&postcount=182)
#268 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486182&postcount=268)
Sulla:
#188 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2481019&postcount=188)
#265 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2485955&postcount=265) (Links to Master Works)
underearth:
#189 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2481304&postcount=189)
#190 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2481314&postcount=190)
Zepyhri:
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Stipick_S:
#203 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2482163&postcount=203)
PixelFloss:
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#285 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2488130&postcount=285)
Bruceusername:
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El-Rodente: #259 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2485270&postcount=259)
yulias: #263 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2485518&postcount=263)
InterFacer: #266 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php/?p=2486003&postcount=266)
Squibbit: #268 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2486182&postcount=268)
raptror|3D: #313 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2489307&postcount=313)
robynn: #346 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2490745&postcount=346)
woodyradica: #351 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2490978&postcount=351)
Fromanyland:
#365 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2493297&postcount=365)
#377 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2496318&postcount=377)
Flydesign:#383 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2496945&postcount=383)
Kha:
#394 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2500967&postcount=394)
#412 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2524241&postcount=412)
Spirit Dreamer:
#397 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2503784&postcount=397)
#415 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2527242&postcount=415)
daspetey: #399 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2503985&postcount=399)
Desp#2/Rog: #405 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2504167&postcount=405)
Scorche:
#407 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2513966&postcount=407)
#409 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2517442&postcount=409)
jfrancis:
#413 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2524448&postcount=413)
#414 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2525333&postcount=414)
#416 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2527287&postcount=416)
rodia: #418 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2529025&postcount=418)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:36 PM
PART A of LESSON 003 BEGINS BELOW: :)

WE'LL START WITH A TUTORIAL FOR SHADING IN THE DIGITAL MEDIUM (PHOTOSHOP)


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/01_DEMO_SEEING-VALUES_1.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:39 PM
DIGITAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/02_DEMO_SEEING-VALUES_2.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:41 PM
DIGITAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above


*****EDIT: Note to those who are interested:


The following article describes the difference between Desaturation and Grayscale:

http://www.inkjetart.com/tips/grayscale/

Please note that where I have said "Desaturate your image" in the tutorials, I should have said to "Grayscale" them. Thanks. :) *****




http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/03_DEMO_APPLE-SEQUENCE_1.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:42 PM
DIGITAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/04_DEMO_APPLE-SEQUENCE_2.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:43 PM
DIGITAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/04A_DEMO_APPLE-SEQUENCE_2.gif


THIS CONCLUDES THE DIGITAL SHADING TUTORIAL

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:44 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL BEGINS HERE:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/04A_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-0_7.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:45 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/05_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-1_72dpi.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:46 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/06_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-2_72dpi.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:47 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/07_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-3_72dpi.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:48 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/08_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-4_72dpi.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:49 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/09_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-5_72dpi.jpg

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:49 PM
TRADITIONAL SHADING TUTORIAL Continued from Above:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/10_DEMO_1_SHADING_STEP-6_72dpi.jpg


THAT CONCLUDES BOTH TUTORIALS FOR GENERAL SHADING.

PLEASE READ BELOW FOR THE ACTUAL EXERCISE WHICH YOU SHOULD DO FOR THIS LESSON: DRAWING THE HUMAN SKULL :)

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:52 PM
THAT CONCLUDES THE TUTORIAL FOR GENERAL SHADING. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE APPLE WAS JUST USED AS AN EXAMPLE.

DO NOT DRAW APPLES FOR THE EXERCISE!!!
DO NOT DRAW APPLES FOR THE EXERCISE!!!
DO NOT DRAW APPLES FOR THE EXERCISE!!!
DO NOT DRAW APPLES FOR THE EXERCISE!!!
DO NOT DRAW APPLES FOR THE EXERCISE!!!


DO DRAW AND SHADE SKULLS!!! :)
DO DRAW AND SHADE SKULLS!!! :)
DO DRAW AND SHADE SKULLS!!! :)
DO DRAW AND SHADE SKULLS!!! :)
DO DRAW AND SHADE SKULLS!!! :)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/DRAW_ME.jpg

THE REAL EXERCISE IS FOR YOU TO DRAW AND SHADE SKULLS FROM EITHER THE SOURCES PROVIDED BELOW OR FROM YOUR OWN SOURCES. IF YOU USE YOUR OWN SOURCES, PLEASE POST WITH YOUR DRAWINGS YOUR SOURCE OR A LINK TO YOUR SOURCE.

GOOD LUCK! AND LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR POSTS! :)

You may choose to do a drawing of THE HUMAN SKULL using the below Reference photos, or you may choose to find REFERENCE OF YOUR OWN. If you use your own Reference, please post YOUR REFERENCE OR A LINK TO YOUR REFERENCE ALONG WITH YOUR DRAWING.

LINKS TO IMAGES OF THE HUMAN SKULL:

Anterior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/anterior.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/anterior.htm)

Lateral View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/lateral.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/lateral.htm)

Posterior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/behind.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/behind.htm)

Superior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/superior.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/superior.htm)

Inferior View of Skull:

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/inferior.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/inferior.htm)

Mandible of Skull

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/mandible.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/mandible.htm)

Fetal Skull

http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/fetal.htm (http://www.bio.psu.edu/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/fetal.htm)

NOOB!
07-16-2005, 08:55 PM
sorry for ruining ur post flow there becks.

excellent tutorial,amazing.

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:55 PM
On your mark...get set...go! :)

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 08:55 PM
No prob, NOOB ;) Thank you! Now...time to start drawing! :)

~Rebeccak

NOOB!
07-16-2005, 08:59 PM
i'm working on a drawing now,actually its a re-make of the *mission of the surreal* pic, i decided to go back to the drawing board.

so it would be ok to post that in here for review right? anything goes

...just making sure.

thetrianglekid
07-16-2005, 09:08 PM
sweet shaded apples batman!

i'm off to draw a skull. hopefully i can finish it this week!

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:12 PM
SKULLS, NOOB, SKULLS!!! Only skulls... :)


~Rebeccak

NOOB!
07-16-2005, 09:16 PM
sorry...me so confused,with all the apples and the skulls and the talent!!!

CBee
07-16-2005, 09:20 PM
Shading! Great! :applause: If there is an area I need to work on it's shading... well, except for all the other areas. :D

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:23 PM
lol :) go forth and draw skulls! :)

~Rebeccak

default-rol
07-16-2005, 09:52 PM
So let me get this right -

We draw skulls, yeah?.......:scream:

Cool topic - done one (posted on anatomy thread) off to do more. Thx for the tutorial too. will study it more tomorrow.

Later.

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 09:57 PM
SKULLS SKULLS SKULLS SKULLS SKULLS SKULL SKULLS SKULLS!!!

NO APPLES!

:)

RobertoOrtiz
07-16-2005, 10:16 PM
Rebecca, should be be calling the FBI to check your rose bushes?



Just wondering.



-R

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 10:18 PM
Har. Har. Har. Har.

Rosewarne
07-16-2005, 10:47 PM
3rd lesson! Rebecca, I really appreciate what u are doing :) and that's exactly the topic I was looking for !
I'll give it a try :bounce:

Rosewarne

Rebeccak
07-16-2005, 10:50 PM
Rosewarne,

Thanks! Good to hear your feedback! Looking forward to your posts! :) Nebezial did a GREAT job on his tutorial, I am THRILLED! I have never seen as good a Photoshop tut, either, I have to get busy and study what looks like to be an ongoing, many-paged tutorial! :bounce:

Whee! :)

~Rebeccak

Spin99
07-16-2005, 11:15 PM
*grabs his head*

Umm parietal, occipital, watchoocall that in Inglish?
Ok skull time no more spamming.. Noob I'm not insinuating anything.
But some people only post when the got something to show.
*grin*

Ok, past my bedtime, next time, later, thanks Rebecca.
It's really great to do anatomy class again :)
Maybe I'm even convinced to use my tablet it's just that I wore off the nib and I can't get Wacom nibs anywhere here in Africa.

Mice, on the other hand, are not pressure sensitive. But they're so nice for drawing..
Ah, the dillemma..

scorpion007
07-17-2005, 12:02 AM
Cool, new lesson :)

Here's my first mediocre attempt :P
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/6108/skull32rb.jpg

Please tear apart :)
Done in PS with a basic hard brush, using the front reference provided.

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 12:04 AM
Woo! First customer! :)

Think I'll wait a little to, er, "tear apart" though... :)

Thanks for posting! Virtual hi-five! :thumbsup:

~Rebeccak

scorpion007
07-17-2005, 12:12 AM
lol rebeccak :D Do you want us to draw the skull in different perspectives too?, like perhaps lying on a table, face up or something? That would be quite challenging drawing it in 3D from the ortho views, and then shading yourself w/o reference, wouldnt you say?

AndreKling
07-17-2005, 03:16 AM
Yeah i like scorpions idea, and maybe the skull could be surounded by... aples? ( or maybe not :P )
Rebeka, great work on the tutorials, I hv being following it, but couldnt find time to post anything, will try this time. Congrats again
Andre

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 07:24 AM
Spin99,

Thanks for the post! Looking forward to seeing your work :). I'm sure nibs can be ordered online?

scorpion007 and AndreKling,

Har har! Hey, there are several links to different views of the skull on the front page of this thread. I absolutely encourage you to post as many skull drawings as you wish! (Apples ok, as long as they're secondary ;))

Also, feel free to draw from your own skull reference ~ if you have skeletons in your closet ~ ha! ~ then feel free to draw those :) ~otherwise, just Google "skull" and a myriad number of skull pictures will magically appear for your use as Reference.

Just remember to please post your Reference along with your drawings so I have a basis upon which to evaluate your drawings.

Thanks for the posts! :)

~Rebeccak

commodore
07-17-2005, 09:21 AM
I'd like to do this one with a pencil but I don't have a scanner :'(

conundrum
07-17-2005, 10:41 AM
well. i've read and enjoyed the ones so far but i'm yet to actually partipate, so heres is a pencil sketch of the lateral reference provided.
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/2088/skullpencil4yc.jpg

Rosewarne
07-17-2005, 10:52 AM
Here's m first one :) but I'm sure I'll do more..
Unfortunately I was in an office while sketching, and I had to use a 0.7 propelling pencil, which is not the best tool to shade I think =P
Anyway, here you are, I use the first linked image as a reference:

http://www.badge-of-hell.net/skull.jpg

I tried to focus on where to shade, I know proportion are quite bad...let me know anyway ^^


Rosewarne

commodore
07-17-2005, 01:00 PM
:D (http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5572/irw4bw.jpg)

I know I had to make a skull. It's just for laughing.

Click on the smilie.

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 01:18 PM
very...funny...commodore :applause:

:D

Must...not...laugh...must...stay...strong...

:)

~Rebeccak

MartinNH
07-17-2005, 02:37 PM
Thanks for making those great tutorials. Here's my contribution:

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 02:47 PM
conundrum,

Awesome! Thank you for posting this! I'm happy to hear you've liked the lessons so far. If you have any topic ideas for future lessons, please let me know :).

Rosewarne,

Not bad at all! I think it's funny I've got people working on skulls in offices across the world :) ~ that is actually a great thing! :) I hope to see more of your posts! :)

Martin NH,

Great, thank you for posting! It's cool to see many diffrent peoples' work. I like your linework, it's very consistent!

Good work, guys! Keep it up! :)

~Rebeccak

commodore
07-17-2005, 07:19 PM
http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/528/skull2kz.jpg

This one is very bad. I'll try and make a better one tomorrow (by Estonian time)

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 07:21 PM
commodore,

Thanks for your posts!

>by Estonian time

Just too cool... :)

~Rebeccak

default-rol
07-17-2005, 09:16 PM
My first go at this one. Done with a biro in my sketchpad.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6042/skullprofile1707057ju.jpg

It was loosely based on this plate from Albinus on Anatomy -

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5423/skullreference0cj.jpg

I altered the facial proportion a bit for mine.

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 09:28 PM
default.rol,

Great post! ~I really like your linework, and how carefully you delineated proportions. I especially appreciate this because I know you already posted a front-view skull in the Anatomical Drawings thread, which is great! ~so I'm thrilled to see doing more.

Keep up the good work! And definitely don't confine yourself to the limitations of this lesson ~ if you feel like going further, please feel free to do so, and post your results on this, or other, threads.

I also think that ballpoint pen is an especially good medium with which to create Anatomy studies / sketches such as these ~ pencil is good, too, or charcoal, or digital, but ballpoint pen forces you to get to the heart of the matter and really render out those small details that can be so important.

Thank you for your post! :)

~Rebeccak

default-rol
07-17-2005, 09:46 PM
Hi RebeccaK

Thanks for the feedback - I have done this one (and the other skull posted in the anatomy section) in ballpoint pen as I remember reading on your first? lesson that it was a good medium to use for this sort of work.

It certainly makes you think about it a bit more. I learned that from the first skull I did.

Thanks for help and encouragement again

MIKE

Rebeccak
07-17-2005, 09:53 PM
Hey, Mike ~

I'm confused, I've gotten used to your user name, so it's odd to realize you have a real one :)
heh ~ just a funny sidenote.

I'm happy you're doing so much work for these lessons, you've definitely been doing a lot of diligent work and it's awesome to see the results!

It's pretty cool that people are interested in these lessons and doing a lot of drawing ~ it's so foundational, and I've always appreciated that aspect of my art training tremendously. I think in this digital age people pine for the "simpler" stuff ~ tho I certainly don't consider drawing simple. It's actually the hardest thing I've ever had to learn, and I continue to do so. I've learned a ton from seeing peoples' work on this site, and am continually inspired.

Keep up the great posts! :)

~Rebeccak

Spin99
07-17-2005, 10:24 PM
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/1922/skullycopy4tn.jpg

Umm I'm trying really really hard to make peace with my tablet.
I'll post when I get some shading results, on the meantime.. :shrug:

I used the tablet for the concept and the trusty pen to cleanup.
I can also paint lines with the mouse, no beziers or sensitivity..
This while I'm waiting for the replacement nibs :)
Thanks for the inspiration Rebecca.

jinnseng
07-17-2005, 11:42 PM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/cgskull.jpg

Done in Painter 9... about 4 hours. I used conte variants mostly. A little just add water to smooth the eye sockets and the forehead area. I used the provided skull links as a reference, which I have noticed are a little different then my picture. Getting a headache has stopped me from wanting to tweak around with it anymore. Thanks for taking a look, and thanks for all the hard work put into this forum. I'm really learning a lot.

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 01:16 AM
jinnseng,

WOW, this is BEAUTIFUL ~ thank you for posting this! I am really happy to hear that you are learning from this tutorial, it is great to hear!

I hope you continue to post more of your lovely work (and I hope your headache clears up) :)

~Rebeccak

Mavrick71
07-18-2005, 02:58 AM
Not as good as some of the others, I noticed some problems, like where the root of the teeth go into the skull on the upper set on the right, the shadow is where the hightlight should be, too thick of a bone around the right eyesocket, and some other stuff.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1208/skull15xx.jpg
This is a great forum, I've started to grasp more and more as I read this fourm and especially your tutorials Rebecca. The only problem with them is that they don't come fast enough.

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 03:18 AM
Mavrick71,

Hey, thank you for posting your work! And thank you for your compliments! They are appreciated :). It's not important here how 'good' you believe your work to be in relationship to others ~ it's important how much you grow and get out of this lesson. So I appreciate your putting the effort forth to use the tutorial to your best advantage.

Here is what I would recommend ~ and it is a recommendation which I made to many people who participated in the previous lessons, both beginning and advanced artists alike: a great exercise is to TRACE, in Photoshop or with tracing paper, the image which you are copying. Doing so allows you to cross that initial line of fear which all artists face, and which frequently hinders us from producing our best work.

Also, tracing eliminates some of the false expectations which we tend to project onto imagery which we see (such as a skull) and think we know ~ but really do not. Learning to draw is essentially about learning how to see, and tracing teaches us to see, so that when we draw without tracing paper, we are better trained to look at and consider what it is which we are drawing.

I would recommend trying this exercise ~ tracing (either digitally or traditionally) the image of the skull, and then RE-DRAWING the skull freehand.

You will be surprised at the results.

Good luck, and I hope you post your results! :)

~Rebeccak

Mavrick71
07-18-2005, 03:30 AM
Hmmm... interesting proposition we have here; I like it! I just printed the skull out, and I'll get started on it first thing in the morining, it's getting late and I'm tired. I'll be sure to post the results as soon as I get it done.

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 03:34 AM
Mavrick71,

Awesome! It's great to see your initiative :). Looking forward to seeing your results.

:)

~Rebeccak

scorpion007
07-18-2005, 10:07 AM
Here's another one of mine:

Drawn in pencil, colored in PS. I want to later shade in pencil to compare to my PS coloring.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9281/skullstudy12zx.jpg
I used a desaturated version of the front ref Rebecca provided. (Pic is scaled down to 600 width)

Xillion
07-18-2005, 10:37 AM
Hi all, this has taken 1,5 hours with photoshop.
I mainly worked with black (and white) "contè crayon on bumpy surface" brush at 10% (sometimes 5%) opacity.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5876/skullstudy12hk.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

I tried adjusting levels in photoshop to have a full range of light/dark. Which version is better ? The first or the second ?
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7969/skulldarkened7vh.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Edit: I tried to follow the good advice to use a model...so I had a walk in the park with my skinning knife...but, surprisingly enough :eek:, noone was glad to have his head severed for my artistic purposes! So I had to use the old photo referece rebeccak provided (flipped)

Hey...Just kidding :D

Zarracin
07-18-2005, 10:55 AM
This is a great lesson! skulls are fun to draw
I can't help humming heavy metal tunes when i draw skulls (and i'm not a metal fan)


It's mechanical pencil, about half an hour
reference from a picture from Corbis
calvera.jpg

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 11:11 AM
scorpion007,

Wow, it's cool to see the differences between the piece you did in Painter vs. the one you did in Photoshop ~ could you tell us about what your drawing experience was like in one program vs the other? Were there any major advantages or disadvantages to using one program vs the other? Thank you for posting this ~ keep up the great work! :)

Xillion,

For some reason, I cannot see your image, which is disappointing since I know it's a good one! I seem to remember there being this problem when you posted work on the last lesson ~ what image hosting service are you using? It could just be me, but I'll double-check later today when I get to work ~ hoping I can see it then! Thanks for posting! :)

Zarracin,

Wow, it's cool that it only took you a half hour to do ~ seems like folks are pretty speedy these days!

My recommendation would be, however, to slow down and to draw larger. This forces you to acknowledge all of the little details which are important.

Great work, guys! Keep on posting your updates! :)

~Rebeccak

scorpion007
07-18-2005, 11:48 AM
Hi Rebecca,

Thanks for your comment :), about my drawing experience with those apps, well, firstly I would have to say that I havent used Painter nearly as much as PS so I dont know the program as deep as I do Photoshop. With the paint tools, PS is fine if your not trying to recreate those traditional subtleties that Painter is designed to do, but PS's brush engine is quite powerful and will allow you to create most kinds of brushes, except things like watercolour dripping down your page and diffusing, etc. But you can create all kinds of rough conte, charcoal kinds of brushes...

I think PS is geared towards general digital painting of all applications (such as texture painting, compositing/matte painting), not so much traditional media, so that's why the brush engine is more generic than painters.

In that last skull I did, all i used was a simple hard edged brush, with pressure based flow, and 100% opacity. Nothing special.

So thats my comments on the programs...

Nice work all!

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 12:04 PM
scorpion007,

Thanks for elaborating on those differences between Photoshop and Painter ~ it's cool to hear! Painter does take you a long way in terms of that more artistic effect, but sometimes you can too easily gloss over a real understanding of the details of a study ~ tho in your Painter skull piece you did a great job of capturing details ~ because with painting in any medium you get wrapped up in the physical properties of paint to the detriment of detailed, observational drawing.

At any rate, thank you for your thoughts on this, and I hope you will be posting more work! :)

~Rebeccak

inkonyto
07-18-2005, 12:14 PM
Hi Rebecca,

First thanks for sharing your experience through CGtalk, with kindness and open-mind :applause:. I discovered your tutorials recently and i found them just great. It's really a pleasure to find such knowledges without buying books or schools.... So i decided to involve myself in the process. Here is my participation, not much time to do it, i tried to use 3 tones of shade, find it really hard........... But done with pleasure :)

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/skull_1.jpg

Xillion
07-18-2005, 12:16 PM
rebeccak: I use Imageshack as a host but I think the problem was that I was in edit mode while you were viewing. Let me know if you can see it now...

and you guys ? can you see it ? (post #58 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=2472301&postcount=58))

inkonyto
07-18-2005, 12:56 PM
and you guys ? can you see it ? (post #58 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=2472301&postcount=58))

Yes definitly.... And i found it very very good :) (i like both)

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 01:17 PM
Xillion,

Yep! I can definitely see it now ~ thanks! Great work ~ I definitely like the second one, tho in truth probably you could put the darker version as a 80% opacity layer over the lighter version and have a better result ~ the blacks may be a tad too black in the darker image now, but I do like the effect. Ah! And I'm happy you didn't use a 'live' model, because then we would have to send in the police! :)

inkonyto,

Thank you for your kind comments! I'm happy to see you are enjoying the lesson! Thank you for your post. Can you tell us something about your background? I'm happy to see you are participating! :)

~Rebeccak

inkonyto
07-18-2005, 02:22 PM
Can you tell us something about your background? I'm happy to see you are participating! :)

hihi, i'm a bit confused, thanks for your interest. Here is my background : I'm from Paris (sorry for my english :)), i draw since a few years, but without any formation or artistic education, just for fun. No anatomic studies, no opposing curevs, no methods...
Recently i had the impression to reach my limits, therefore i tried to search on the web for tutorials or lessons which can help me. If i can learn more about drawing, maybe i could progress... no ?

As i said, i discovered your tutorials a few days ago, "opposing curves" : Well, it really helps me : For exemple, knowing that human top body could be reduced to a peanut shape was like a revelation for me... Thanks for that...

Here is a few sketches (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/last-rough.jpg) i did recently, trying to use what i learned. Nothing great but believe me, it's better than that i usually do.... ;)

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 02:29 PM
inkonyto,

Thanks for telling us about yourself ~ sorry to confuse you, it just helps for me to know what training everyone has artistically so that I know what they are interested in and what they want to learn. So thank you for telling us that you love to draw and are open to learning new things ~ that helps me in terms of 'teaching'! :)

I really like your drawings that you posted (Here is a few sketches (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/last-rough.jpg)) a lot, and I think that you should post them in this thread so everyone can see them:

Gesture Drawings - Post Your Best Gesture Drawings Here! - 2D TRADITIONAL / DIGITAL (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=258741)

Thanks for participating! :)

~Rebeccak

inkonyto
07-18-2005, 03:00 PM
Rebecca,

Thank you :) I have posted to the good section.

maj3d
07-18-2005, 04:45 PM
hi rebecca,

thx for this interesting thread...

my first try...
time 10mins.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b355/maj3d/DSC00950copy.jpg

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 04:45 PM
Great post there! Great to see :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 04:48 PM
maj3d,

Good work! I see you really worked on the interior shading of the eye sockets, which is nice to see. I hope you will submit more of these! It's great practice, and I think pencil is a good medium with which to go. You might also try ballpoint pen and do consistent, smooth cross-hatching in small strokes to approximate the same effect as pencil. I think ballpoint pen is a great medium for these kinds of studies as well as charcoal and digital media.

Thanks for posting this! :)

~Rebeccak

maj3d
07-18-2005, 05:31 PM
thx rebecca,
i know what you mean,
i like to draw architecture with ballpoint pens and nature with chalk.
hope you keep the great thread leading on...

commodore
07-18-2005, 07:40 PM
Sorry rebecca, I sayd I'm going to do a skull today but when I uploaded it I found how bad it really was so I thought I'd finish it later but then I had to doodle with my friend over drawboard.

Kitami
07-18-2005, 08:55 PM
this was a real challenge, didnt realise a skull had so much details

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2953/skull28up.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 08:59 PM
commodore,

no worries! It's completely funny, it's funny that you should worry :).
When you can post your work, feel free to do so :).

Kitami,

Wow! I am impressed. This is a really nice pencil study ~ I can see you put a lot of effort into it. Thanks for posting this! I especially like the attention you paid to all of the cracks in the skull differentiating each of the three sections. It's really nice work ~ do you have time to attempt other views? Which did you find more challenging ~ the drawing of the skull's details, or the shading?

Thanks for your post! :)

~Rebeccak

Kitami
07-18-2005, 09:15 PM
Thanks alot Rebecca, Most challenging was the shading, I did a totally new method trying to listen to your advice, and it was so much details that it had to be alot of diffrent levels of shading, phew. I will start with frontview now, however this will be harder cause I suddenly got a pressure on me to do good again.. hehe!

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 09:22 PM
Kitami,

No pressure! Just encouragement :). I really liked your first, so I am sure you will do an excellent job on your second.

Looking forward to your posts! :)

~Rebeccak

default-rol
07-18-2005, 10:11 PM
My first real painting in Corel Painter! - reference from a google search that turned up a company that sells replicas... heres the link

http://www.soyoungtrading.com/img/pro9/pro45-1.jpg

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/5994/skullpainter1807051qn.jpg

Took me a while (mostly trying to work out how all the tools work.)

Xillion
07-18-2005, 10:27 PM
kitami: hi. I really like your rendition of the skull. it's clean and to the point. just a question, how long did it take you to draw it ? is it a traditional drawing or a digital one (if digital what program/brush did u use ?)

Kitami
07-18-2005, 10:51 PM
kitami: hi. I really like your rendition of the skull. it's clean and to the point. just a question, how long did it take you to draw it ? is it a traditional drawing or a digital one (if digital what program/brush did u use ?)

Thanks for your intrest! Hmm, id say.. two hours? Not quite sure cause I took a break in the middle of it. I drew it with pencil then scanned it in.

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 10:57 PM
default.rol / Mike,

Cool! I commend you for trying a new program, that's awesome! Hope you are finding the program to be a fun one. Looks like you took to the tools pretty quickly!

One thing I would recommend ~ save the version that you have, then try and do a black / white / midtone gray version ~ you will be AMAZED at the range of values you can achieve with just those three values!

Great to see you posting so much work! :)

~Rebeccak

kaylon
07-18-2005, 11:46 PM
Thought I would actually post something for a change. So here is a skull done tonight.

Enjoyed this quite abit :)

http://www.obsidiann.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/skull_01.jpg

Photoshop CS
30 mins.

K.

Rebeccak
07-18-2005, 11:56 PM
kaylon,

Thank you for posting this image! You know, there is something oddly beautiful about this little piece, and I like that you've taken a few liberties with the proportions and shading. What other kinds of work do you do? It would be interesting to know.

Thank you for posting this piece! :)

~Rebeccak

Kitami
07-19-2005, 12:41 AM
Ok i didnt like this drawing i made, it looks like it grinning and me saying "haha look at how you made me" really does, im paranoid. But im uploading cause i had a good start at it! And i did say i would make it.. so. remember me for my first skull!

ps: Rebecca your threads help soo much!

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4005/skull002smaller3sb.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 01:02 AM
Kitami,

Thank you! I'm really happy the threads are useful! ~I'm learning a lot from everyone here, too ;)

~Rebeccak

Happy Trees
07-19-2005, 01:37 AM
hah this is the same exercise I had to do in painting class last week.

Minus the scull pluss a stilllife but yeah same principle.

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 01:42 AM
Think of it as positive reinforcement :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 03:21 AM
Worked a bit on my own skull tonight...that sounds rather morbid :)

It's not finished, but here is the progression so far...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/My-Skull_PROGRESSION_DEMO-1.jpg

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 03:22 AM
sequence continued...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/My-Skull_PROGRESSION_DEMO-2.jpg

I actually like the second to the last best...I tend to like things with a slightly 'unfinished' look, a la Francis Bacon...mmm...bacon...

Probably my favorite living painter is Alex Kanevsky (http://www.dolbychadwickgallery.com/art_kanevsky.html) ~ his paintings rock my world...then there's good old Odd Nerdrum. Yep, I like the wierd ones. But their painting style is sublime.

Hope this is useful :)

~Rebeccak

stipick_S
07-19-2005, 05:23 AM
Hey guys,

I have been away for awhile but now I am back and practicing harder than ever. It is great to have the ol' flames a burning again. My fiance has begun the process of signing me up for a open figure studio at a local art studio (late fathers day gift)... CANT FREAKIN WAIT!!! I am having a ball.... This is fantastic! I have a bunch more I would like to post, but I am tired of using attachments and running out of space quickly. I know this has been beat more than a dead horse, but if someone could point me towards any posts on how to post an image I would be gratefull.

Anyhow, the drawing! Finally passed the 15 minute mark. Had to force myself to do it, but it was fun. Thsi piece took about 2 hours and is pencil and white charcoal on toned paper.

Rebecca, I would appreciate it very much if you could elaborate on the guildlines you set up....loving the forums more and more everyday.



Shaun

p.s. I think I might have to become a society member. Just to let everybody know, It was the quality of these forums that convinced me it is well worth the money.

p.s. p.s. rebecca i'll get that new and improved torso back up in the other thread...real soon.

default-rol
07-19-2005, 07:31 AM
RebeccaK

I'm going to have to try that greyscale one now you mentioned it, (and seeing how you have done yours so far.)

Will try to do one soon

stipick_s - that picture is cool, is it conte crayon on canvas?

EDIT: To post an image, go to http://imageshack.us/ (bookmark this as you will use it a lot!) and follow the instructions on screen. Hope that helps some!

Later - and I'm loving the work from all so far!

commodore
07-19-2005, 09:03 AM
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4947/skull20jn.jpg

I said i'll do better but this is even worse than the last one!

kaylon
07-19-2005, 09:14 AM
Rebeccak thanks for your comments :).

And to answer your question, I'm an Environmental artist in the games industry, have been for 10+ years now. I dont get chances often to work on "human" or character based stuff as most of my time is spent modelling and texturing buildings and props etc, so it's nice to find time to do the odd skull :)

K.

Matariki
07-19-2005, 09:35 AM
excellent tuts :thumbsup:

I am a technologist :) I only do 3d box modeling of non-organics. Never tried organic models let alone to draw one but this tut inspired me. I can't believe that I actually submit my drawing. There are definitely some problems, particularly the proportions are out of wack but I'll improve on that I guess. It was been lots of fun. Thanks.


http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6667/skullsm0xo.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

scorpion007
07-19-2005, 09:52 AM
Rebecca, I think you have mistaken my work for someone elses. My first skull was done in Photoshop, not painter, so maybe you were thinking of someone elses. But I have used painter for the other threads...

Anyway, nice skull picture! Same to everyone else :D This is really fun :)

Here's my new skull too: Scaled down ofcourse. Done in HB pencil, scanned in, then painted in PS using the same brush as last time. (mostly)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9396/skullstudy27ik.jpg

I know the proportions are a bit off - saw this as i finished it :P
I used the side reference Rebecca provided.

stipick_S
07-19-2005, 10:20 AM
defualt- Thanks for the help.... I appreciate it. The picture is just pencil and white chalk on toned paper.


Shaun

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 10:22 AM
Hey, guys, it's great to see new posts!

I really have to hustle to arrive early to work today, but I will definitely post individual responses then. Thanks to stipick_S, default.rol, commodore, Matariki, and scorpion007 for their new posts! Great work, guys!!! :)

~Rebeccak

SunnyRaining
07-19-2005, 10:52 AM
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a156/SunnyRaining/sketch_skull_1.jpgFirst of all I would like to thank Rebecca for this great thread! Anyway here is my third and best attempt at trying to draw and shade the skull (2B pencil and paper, scanned in) - thanks to everybody for motivating me to pick up my pencil ;) Fantastic work from all!
I'll attempt to do a digital one later based off Rebecca's tutorial :)

stipick_S
07-19-2005, 10:54 AM
Worked great default, thanks again. I am going to use my own web space to hotlink from, but the code from image shack worked like a charm!

evryone have a good day.


shaun

umbrellasky
07-19-2005, 11:44 AM
Amazing tutorials Rebecca! Will really come in hand for my Drawing Unit.

Thanks!! :)

default-rol
07-19-2005, 11:50 AM
No worries Shaun -

I think your work is GREAT and by giving you the link to image shack I hope that you will post more of it! :D

MIKE

Zarracin
07-19-2005, 11:58 AM
in defense of the apples...


just kidding ;)

hey guys, terrific work you all, there are some amazing skulls out there!It's fantastic to see how different artists approach a similar subjectmanzana2.jpg

Vahn
07-19-2005, 12:38 PM
thank you for these lessons and the energy u put in rebecca :bowdown:

i made a qick pencil sketch and colored it in ps

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/7085/skulllesson10rb.jpg

stipick_S
07-19-2005, 12:40 PM
you're too kind default. I have been drawing tons as of late, it is of course all rebecca's fault. My favorite thing to to do (right now) is grab an 11x17 piece of paper (standard printer paper) and draw rows of skulls using line (not much shading or any at all). They are small, only about 3x3 inches, but they allow me to draw a whole bunch. While everybody else is working on one or two good pieces (and I am guilty of this too) I have allready drawn the skull multiple multiple times. Ill post some of these tonight. By the time I get around to creating a larger more complex piece, I have allready worked out a majority of the problems and mistakes many individuals will commonly make. I still make tons of mistakes, but imagine what my drawings might look like If I did not do the preliminary drawings first (just plain bad). Draw lots of small drawings and learn big!!


oooh, and who the heck knew skulls would be so difficult to draw! Arrghhh, there were times I would rather have had my fingernails pulled out, I can not begin to describe how frustrated I was.
Shaun

SunnyRaining
07-19-2005, 12:49 PM
Will follow your advice Shaun - that sounds like a really good idea (drawing many on a sheet) :)

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 12:59 PM
stipick_S wrote:

>Rebecca, I would appreciate it very much if you could elaborate on the guildlines you set up...

Great to see you back, stipick! :) I am thrilled you will be taking a figure drawing course ~ feel free to post away your sure to be Awesome results in this forum! I like the direction you're headed with your piece ~ kudos for trying the traditional medium! Each medium has its advantages / disadvantages, and I am happy to see you guys trying different ones!

Let me know more about what you want to know about the guidelines, and I'll be happy to provide info.

EDIT: Great advice, Shaun / stipick_S! I think I see now what you mean about guidelines. I am happy so long as folks are drawing skulls and shading them in whatever medium they choose. The more skulls, the better! You need not stick to a specific format ~ eg, only one skull at a time. If you've got a page of them, great! But remember to emphasize SHADING, not just drawing, in these studies. Ouch, don't pull those fingernails out! That would seriously impede your drawing abilities! ;)

default.rol,

Yep, everyone is doing a great job! :)

commodore,

I don't think this is 'bad' at all! Thank you for posting your work! :)

kaylon,

Sweet! I think it's awesome that people are getting a chance to stretch their wings into new territory ~ kudos for trying new things! :)

Matariki,

That's awesome, as with kaylon, I'm thrilled that people from all different backgrounds are posting their work! It's so cool that people are doing this! ~ I hope you continue to post more! :)

SunnyRaining,

REALLY Nice Work! I love how much attention you paid to the interior of the eye sockets, and the background shading is really nice ~ I love the consistency of your strokes! Good work, keep it up!! :)

enialadam,

Great! I am happy to hear this is useful. I am hoping that when school starts up again in the Fall, people will post their classwork here in this forum ~ it's awesome to see everyone's progress!

Zarracin,

Ok, THAT is funny! As I was telling someone else, I just KNEW that if I didn't emphasize the NO APPLES thing, I would wake up in the morning with tons of beautifully rendered apples in the thread ~ Guess I overdid it, lol! :)

Vahn,

This is really cool! Thank you for posting your work! I'm a big stinkin' fan of the WIP and Daily Sketch forums, and I know you contribute a lot to those, so I am just happy as a lark to see you here! I really like that you used a monochromatic scheme that isn't straight black, white, gray ~ often these desaturated hues can be really nice, and bring mood into a static piece ~ good work! Keep on posting! :)

You guys are the best, thank you for taking the time to do these! Look forward to seeing more of everyone's work! And I'm thrilled to see you guys pitching in to help one another out ~ as with the other lessons, remember that critiques and draw-overs are not limited to me ~ anyone may do so so long as it is okay by the artist reviewed, and the reviewer is polite and offers constructive criticism. :)

~Rebeccak

magic man
07-19-2005, 01:06 PM
Here's my submission Rebek, 1 hour ball point pen and prismacolor pencil. Damn printer couldn't pick up on the subtle shades I gave =(

http://www.users.on.net/~bobbyeow/Art/Skull.jpg

stipick_S
07-19-2005, 01:08 PM
Rebecca- on your digital sketch of the skull, you used several guidlines to set up what appears to be porportions and symetry/asymetry and what ever else (I dont know). I am curious as to what each line represents and your process for placing those lines and how the basic line work for the skull is developed from those lines? does that make sense?

magic man- nice! very very nice! would love to see the original version.\


there seems to be some very very nice work being done in ball point pen. I think I am going to have to try it. Will any pen do?

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 01:15 PM
magic man,

Crowd OOOOooohs, AAAahhhhs...

GREAT work, m m! This is excellentlessness with a pencil! Sorry to hear your scanner failed you (do they EVER not fail us?) ;) but from what I can see, you did a not-so-shabby job! :scream:

No, I am thrilled to see your work here, so thanks for posting this! K, gotta go back into mine now to spare myself embarrassment. :rolleyes:

The top of the skull is beautiful, nothing like nailing a gesturally descriptive line in one clean go ~ Rockin'! :)

stipick_S,

Gotcha, give me a bit and I'll write up a step by step thingy...I'll just omit the steps where I go 'dang! ~that ain't right' and just put in the steps where it looks like I know what I'm doing. ;)

Thanks for the interest! :)

~Rebeccak

EDIT: I LOVE drawing anatomy studies with Ballpoint Pen. Any variety will do ~ I used to use those long "Illustrator" pens, but I can't seem to find them in art stores anymore ~ but really, just a good old bic or just something with a relatively fine point will do ~ I just grab whatever is available, I'll buy a box of bics at Staples and just hoard them for a rainy day. :)

But definitely try different media if you get the chance, because they all work differently and teach you different things! :)

magic man
07-19-2005, 01:28 PM
there seems to be some very very nice work being done in ball point pen. I think I am going to have to try it. Will any pen do?

I used a 30 cent Bic pen, my style was polished during many a boring computer science lecture oh so many years ago.

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 02:15 PM
Ok, per the request of stipick_S (thank you for asking), here is a more detailed explanation of how I went about digitally painting the skull (bear in mind, it isn't finished ;)):

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/My-Skull_PROGRESSION_DEMO-3.jpg

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 02:15 PM
Continued from Above:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_III_Shading_SKULL/My-Skull_PROGRESSION_DEMO-4.jpg

Hope this is useful :)

~Rebeccak

EAD
07-19-2005, 03:16 PM
This is my first EVER post on cgtalk. A big thanks to defaultrol for showing me the way. Im lovin everyones work- heres my effort. Done in photoshop in about 2.5 hours, let me know what you think> enjoy.


http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/4027/andsskull11zd.jpg

Mavrick71
07-19-2005, 03:56 PM
I would've posted it yesterday, but I couldn't get to my scanner. I followed your suggestion about tracing, then drawing again. All I can say is wow, I think I really improved, and I reread the tutorial a couple times and tried the techniques.
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/4567/skullba6ww.jpg

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 05:36 PM
Andyonahill,

Awesome! At first glance, I thought my piece had magically been finished! Great work, I am thrilled to see your post! I hope you will be posting more of your work, either here, or in the main Anatomy forum. And thanks to Mike / default.rol for bringing you to CGTalk! :)

Mavrick71,

DEFINITE improvement! I am so glad that you actually tried this, I think it's great that you're putting in the effort. Hope to see more of your work!

~Rebeccak

PS, if anyone has saved nebezial's tutorial images to their HDs, can you please let me know?
We're trying to get his tutorial back online.

Thanks!

Slux
07-19-2005, 06:26 PM
Hi
I lurk around for a while so I thought I could step out of shadows and post something :) Hmmm so here is my skull ... I mean not really mine but ... never mind. Its pencil and paper. It took me a while to draw. I have never really tried to draw so detailed skull so it was good exercise for me. I have really learnt quite a few new things. Thanks for these lessons it keeps me motivated to practise and I need a lot of practise.

http://draw.sluxweb.net/skull/skull600x924.jpg

Here is also hirez version but i think that the picture in my post is big enough :)
http://draw.sluxweb.net/skull/skull-full800x1232.jpg

- Slux

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 06:59 PM
Slux,

WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!
That is one beautiful skull!! Thank you much for posting this ~ you have inspired us! :bounce:

Great work! Please post more!

Yay! :applause:

EAD
07-19-2005, 07:02 PM
Rebecca, thanks for your comments. It does kinda look like i hijacked your tutorial, hope everyones not too confused, slightly unfortunate time to post.

apologies to all for any headscratching

stipick_S
07-19-2005, 07:44 PM
slux- gulp! too good. what medium did you use? its a beaut!

rebecca-thanks for answering!

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 07:53 PM
stipick_S,

No problem! Actually, in retrospect, this probably should have been two separate lessons...but I was unsure if people might get bored just drawing a bunch of apples (though basic shapes are really foundational), so I decided to combine the skull project / lesson into this one ~ you guys should let me know how the pace of the lessons is, it will help me to know if they are going too fast or too slow, though, of course, everyone takes these at their own pace, which I think is great!

Thanks for prompting me to do the write~up, as I think it helps.

Schweet. :)

~Rebeccak

NOOB!
07-19-2005, 08:04 PM
great work slux.

Slux
07-19-2005, 08:08 PM
Slux,

WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!
That is one beautiful skull!! Thank you much for posting this ~ you have inspired us! :bounce:

Great work! Please post more!

Yay! :applause:

I'am glad you like it :) hmmm I think I'll post some more later. I have scanned my initial sketch so I might try to shade it in Photoshop for a change. Hmmm and I also think I'll join next lesson .... I really need a lot of practise :D

slux- gulp! too good. what medium did you use? its a beaut!


Ahh It's not that good but thank you, I appreciate it.
For this one I have used HB pencil for a sketch .... then 1B for almost whole piece and 3B a 4B for some dark spots ... thats all ... than I just scanned it a posted it :)

great work slux.


thanks :)

- Slux

Matariki
07-19-2005, 08:21 PM
Slux: Excellent work, really inspiring. :thumbsup:

Euphrosyne
07-19-2005, 08:27 PM
Hi Rebecca and all of you other great artists

Rebecca has insprired me to draw my first skull, I am kind of ashamed to say this because I have been drawing for many years and never done a skull. This was really hard after awhile as I was working on those teeth I started thinking, these teeth look like they are grimacing or grinding, arghhh that's how I feel.:argh:

Thanks Rebecca for inspiring all of us to stretch beyond our norm and reach for new levels and "subjects".:applause:

Patti G.

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 08:31 PM
Euphrosyne,

Great to see you here! Wow, this is a really great drawing of a skull ~ I'm truly impressed that this is your first attempt! I particularly like the consistency of your shading ~ great work!

Thanks for your kind remarks, I take them to heart! :)

Great to see everyone working so hard on their skulls! Heh, that sounds so morbid...:D

~Rebeccak

Slux
07-19-2005, 08:32 PM
Slux: Excellent work, really inspiring. :thumbsup:
thank you thank you .... ahhh I'am happy :)

inkonyto
07-19-2005, 08:38 PM
Euphrosyne I like this "non academic" studie :)

pfiu.... I am astonished by you guys (Slux, how did you get this smooth shading ?)..... Anyway, i'm going back to work.... need it....

Euphrosyne
07-19-2005, 08:41 PM
Thanks Rebecca

I forgot to say this was done with a 2B pencil and an ebony pencil and took about 4 hours. The reference came from a website called "The Bone Room" that sells skulls from China.

Patti G.

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 08:54 PM
Euphrosyne,

No problem :) ~ would it be possible to post your original reference for comparison?

Thank you! :)

~Rebeccak

Euphrosyne
07-19-2005, 08:54 PM
Inkonyto,

Thank you for the compliment. I just wanted to make something a little different. The talent on this thread is awesome!

Rebecca

the address is http://www.boneroom.com/newskulls/skull551a_large.jpg

Euphrosyne

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 09:03 PM
Thanks for that! That is a cool image :) ~

Heading out now...can't wait to see more cool work!

~Rebeccak

BeckyWC
07-19-2005, 09:18 PM
Rebecca,


I've been reading your walk through and in step 3 you mention transparent washes. What do you mean by that? Thank you.

inkonyto
07-19-2005, 10:17 PM
I loose my temper with that one :twisted:
Seems i can't get something clean... Very hard shape shading.... And very hard time for me. I reinforced (is that word existing ?) the levels in toshop and put some color... Cool !!! :thumbsup:

I think i will go back with apple.... :( See you

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/skull_2.jpg

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 10:17 PM
BeckyWC,

Much later tonight I'll have the chance to post some screen caps ~ but for the time being, let me just give a verbal description :) ~

Basically all I mean by a "wash" is a layer in Photoshop that has some value ~ black, white, or gray ~ painted onto it (either over a specific area of your painting, or over the entire painting) in some Opacity level that is below 100%.

There are many ways to create less opacity for a "wash":

1. Set your brushes' Opacity and Flow to a lower percentage (I like 50% for Opacity and 50% for Flow) and paint on a Layer in Photoshop that has an Opacity set to 100%.

2. Set your brushes' Opacity and Flow to a higher percentage, up to 100%, and paint on a Layer in Photoshop that has an Opacity set to something less than 100% (like 50%, etc.)

3. Some combination of a brush set with a percentage less than 100% for Opacity and Flow and a Layer set with a percentage less than 100%. (I usually try to do one or the other so I don't go nuts).

Hope this helps :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-19-2005, 10:27 PM
inkonyto,

Don't be so hard on yourself! You have made a really good effort here, and it takes LOTS of time and PRACTICE to master these things. Remember ~ DRAWING is FIRST, PAINTING is SECOND. Artists have to begin to think this all the time. There is a phrase "Drawing IS Painting", which is very true.

Lots of people are doing many versions ~ often doing the same piece twice. This is a GOOD thing! I cannot tell you how many drawings of skulls I have done in my lifetime. It only gets easier with practice.

Keep going! You will get better. Your proportions are very good!

ABSOLUTELY feel free to draw an apple. Anyone here may do so. :) Most artists train by drawing BASIC SHAPES over and over again ~ spheres, cylinders, boxes, cones. I have done a million drawings of these. Perhaps I should have made this lesson JUST about that.

Try the apple tutorial, and post it here. That way I can help you with your shading. There is no shame in drawing the apple! It's a great way to learn! :)

Hope to see more great work from you! :)

~Rebeccak

Slux
07-19-2005, 10:39 PM
Slux, how did you get this smooth shading ?

That wasn't that difficult. At first I just shade everything with pencil, no smudging ... just short quick strokes with 1B pencil. When everythink is shaded than I use my fingers for smudging (for larger areas like inner part of eye). For rest I use blend sticks, you know these paper things, you can buy it in art store. Thats all.
I also use plastic eraser for little highlights and B3 and B4 for dark areas.
It's good idea to make it contrasted. You know make dark areas darker and light lighter. Thats usualy last step what I do. It gives it more live and makes it more interesting. Well but I don't know that much about drawing so I would rather leave it proffesionals ... right rebecca :D

- Slux

inkonyto
07-19-2005, 10:39 PM
Thank you Rebecca, it's really kind :)

Thanks Slux, i note that. Your drawing is really impressive, and i find it really "proffessional" :thumbsup:

Euphrosyne
07-19-2005, 11:02 PM
Inkonyto

I really like what you did with your drawing, it gives it the look of a relic. Very nice. Maybe it wasn't what you were going for, but it has a cool style.

Euphrosyne

inkonyto
07-19-2005, 11:20 PM
hihihi, it wasn't my intention....:) Anyway, thanks Euphrosyne.

PS : Really happy to have find this virual class.... :applause:

Mavrick71
07-19-2005, 11:51 PM
Thanks for the comments, and when's the next tutorial coming out?

-Slux, I am awed, what a great piece!

-Inkonyto, it's actually not that bad, the skull just fades in a little to much with the background, try making the skull stand out.

stipick_S
07-20-2005, 01:05 AM
It is sort of funny..this feeling inside. Kidding aside, I work with computers all day. Have only used digital mediums for the past 2.5 years exclusivly. Pretty much put up all my tradituional mediums. Yet, I am still hesitant to do any digital studies and paintings. I know photoshop inside and out... yet that nagging hesitation just wont go away. THE FEAR OF FAILURE! I know it is an awesome medium. People all over are producing fantastic pieces. I also understand the flexiibilty of the medium. I even have a ton of books (including that great one by don seegmiller) on the subject. So the question is why? I am not going to sit here and try to understand why. Heck, I dont even know why I am even sharing this. Hmmmmm....

Anyone else have any weird hang ups like this? Or am I alone in the cosmos on this one.


Shaun

RO
07-20-2005, 01:10 AM
It is sort of funny..this feeling inside. Kidding aside, I work with computers all day. Have only used digital mediums for the past 2.5 years exclusivly. Pretty much put up all my tradituional mediums. Yet, I am still hesitant to do any digital studies and paintings. I know photoshop inside and out... yet that nagging hesitation just wont go away. THE FEAR OF FAILURE! I know it is an awesome medium. People all over are producing fantastic pieces. I also understand the flexiibilty of the medium. I even have a ton of books (including that great one by don seegmiller) on the subject. So the question is why? I am not going to sit here and try to understand why. Heck, I dont even know why I am even sharing this. Hmmmmm....

Anyone else have any weird hang ups like this? Or am I alone in the cosmos on this one.


Shaun Lol I had this like a few months ago. What got me going... Was... I do not know... Either way find your way to get over it since you know the program already. I also knew the program and mostly used it for game art but atm I am doing more concept design and paintings in PS. I felt the same a while ago also :) Ill see if I can get skull for this thread... Got into doing a nice scene so sorry for not being around :D

stipick_S
07-20-2005, 01:15 AM
Desp.-
"Either way find your way to get over it since you know the program already."
tough love eh. Your like the Dr. Phil of this forum. Tough but right.

jinnseng
07-20-2005, 01:25 AM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/cgskullside.jpg

Thanks for taking a look!

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 01:51 AM
inkonyto,

You're very welcome! :) I mean it!

Mavrick71,

Hmm, wanting to get through this tutorial first! Then we'll see. :)

stipick_S,

Fear of failure is tough, and I understand it all too well. We all hit that wall, but better to start to climb it now :) while there is a highly supportive group around you.

Desp#2/Rog,

Thanks for offering the advice!

jinnseng,

GREAT work! This is really, really nice. Thank you for posting this!

It's great to see everyone helping everyone else out! This is exactly how things should be. :)

~Rebeccak

CBee
07-20-2005, 02:31 AM
Shaun,

I’ve noticed that children often don’t have a problem trying new things. I think this is because they tend to approach everything with a sense of play and fun rather than thinking about consequences, comparisons and performance. They live in the moment rather than pysching themselves out. Maybe you should try a bunch of just for fun drawings before you tackle the serious stuff. Even deliberately silly stuff. Think fun! :D

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 02:33 AM
Yes, come on, stipick, you're our most enthusiastic team player and tutorial mascot! We need you!

Join in the fun ~ and, because it's digital, you don't even get your hands dirty! :)

JOIN US! JOIN US! JOIN US! JOIN US!

Of course, part of it could just be not wanting to deal with the computer MORE...this do I understand! ;)

~Rebeccak

EDIT:

I have a proposal, Mr. stipick :) ~ why not go halfway and digitally retouch the work you've already done? That way you have a running headstart, and need not have to start completely from scratch digitally. Have fun with it! Don't render if you don't want to ~ do something artsy, artistic ~ I'm sure part of your computer~saturated brain is screaming, I JUST WANT TO DO SOMETHING CREATIVE!!!

In art school I had this one cool class that was such a nice release from all of the others, where the focus was on becoming technically as good as you could become, and thus one became fraught with worry over one's skill level. But I had this great class where you were just given the permission to do whatever the heck you wanted to, stick leaves on your drawing / painting / mixed media piece if you wanted to ~ it was Awesome!

That's actually an idea I've been kicking around, either for a Lesson, or for a separate thread that would be interactive like this one ~ a kind of EXPERIMENTAL thread or lesson devoted to really artsy artistic stuff. What do you guys think?

~Rebeccak

stipick_S
07-20-2005, 02:47 AM
CBEE- I can understand the children aspect. I have a lovley 10 month old daughter who is juist starting to take her first steps. Fearless, she is!!! While I am diving across the room to keep her from breaking her neck, she's laughing the whole time, all the while ready to try it again. The ironic thing is the only one who really ever gets hurt when she falls... is me!

Have you ever seen a 5 year old's drawings ( who hasn't really). They are fantastic and way fun. They combine everything and create the most sureal enviorments. no inhibitions! Why can't we all be so imaginitive.

Okay, okay I will post a digital before bed! I will give it a go.

Shaun


wooooooooh! Yay!!! lababa flam floy!
okay now I am ready just needed a little false hype to get me going!

CBee
07-20-2005, 02:59 AM
Have you ever seen a 5 year old's drawings ( who hasn't really). They are fantastic and way fun. They combine everything and create the most sureal enviorments. no inhibitions! Why can't we all be so imaginitive.


I agree. Kids are the masters of fun and creativity. That’s actually why I like CGNetworks so much. You see a lot of energy and creativity around here that I think is often lacking in more serious forms of art.

CBee
07-20-2005, 04:50 AM
I have just one thing to say to all you freehand wonders out there. I traced this and I’m damn proud of it! :twisted: Not only that I also used the eraser… ALOT! :D

I used tracing paper to get a feel for the outline of the skull then drew freehand. Then I used the tracing paper as a guide in the cleanup process. This is because I’m a shameless noobie. :buttrock: The most shocking thing was some of the lines actually matched. Hehe.

2B Pencil on sketch paper.


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/cbee2/Side_skull2.jpg

I'm going to try a few more. Hopefully, I'll be able to do more freehand as I go along.

stipick_S
07-20-2005, 06:05 AM
Well this is my profile skull...work in progress. All digital. Not even close to finished, but I said i would post it tonight and so here is what I have so far. Unfortunatly I was not able to photograph the skull exercise yet. Tommorrow maybe, if I finish the digital skull. Thanks for the motivation guys.

Shaun
p.s. once again please forgive the bad grammar. Its 2 in the morning, so who can really blame me.


(http://www.stipick.com/)

RO
07-20-2005, 06:44 AM
fear you said? :P



I like the skull I see no reason why you should fear digital after seeing this. One minor crit is the back side round part of the head needs to be a tad bigger but for the shadows and such I like it. Like anything you will get better with time. What I like about your lighting is that you used greens, reds, and yellows. Try for example some blues for more deeper shadows instead of black. It is a color trick if you put lots of red in area and use some dark blue for deep shadows the blue will look black but it will still be a lot richer than a total black.

RobertoOrtiz
07-20-2005, 12:47 PM
Hey guys Roberto Here,
Rebecca called me and said that
that she is unable to respond right now due to technical difficulties,
but that she is looking at work.

So keep posting!

-R

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 01:11 PM
Wierdness. This morning I couldn't stay logged on, but now I can. Lovin' the new interface!

Thanks for the message, Roberto, as this morning I was for some wierd reason unable to post one. :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 01:23 PM
CBee,

I agree, when learning to draw, tracing can be an excellent method for learning how to see! As long as you've acknowledged that you've done so, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it! :) You've done an excellent job with the shading, particularly on the back of the skull, and shading is something you can't trace ;) so great job!

stipick_S,

Oooh, Aaah, the colors in this piece are super cool! I would, however, recommend doing a desaturated version in Black and White (obviously saving this piece as a separate version) because you will see FAR more of a range in VALUES that way. It is easy to get caught up in COLOR and forget Value. Value is by FAR the more important principle in terms of creating form.

But awesome work! Thanks for posting this! :) Are you using Photoshop, or Painter?

Keep up the great work, guys! :)

~Rebeccak

EDIT: Actually, if you want to continue in this COLOR vein, feel free to do so, otherwise I end up contradicting what I said earlier about doing really CREATIVE work. However, I would really try to focus on VALUES, as COLOR is never (or should never be) independent of it.

Good luck, and I look forward to seeing your results! :)

inkonyto
07-20-2005, 01:30 PM
Hello everybody, seems CGtalk has some new clothes today :)

Mavrick71, thanks for your comment :), i'll try another one as soon as possible.... But first i need to work shading on simple shapes, as Rebecca suggested me (thanks again for these advices)

By the way, there are two helping things, no offence to anybody's skill, but it can help begginers as me :)

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/skull_face.jpg

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/skull_profil.jpg

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 01:50 PM
inkonyto,

Thanks for posting this! I would encourage anyone with something cool like this to share to do so. :)

~Rebeccak

endseason
07-20-2005, 03:12 PM
hello all,
here is my attempt, did it in 1.30 h (lunch break:))
i used single layer, brush and eraser in photoshop,
the reference pic (http://www.bio.psu.edu/people/faculty/strauss/anatomy/skel/lateral.htm)


http://free.siportal.it/paolocalloni/test/skull.jpg

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 03:16 PM
endseason,

hi, ho, glad you are joining us! This is a really nice piece! I am amazed at the speed with which people can paint these days ~ can you tell us a bit about your background / training?
:)

~Rebeccak

endseason
07-20-2005, 03:52 PM
endseason,

hi, ho, glad you are joining us! This is a really nice piece! I am amazed at the speed with which people can paint these days ~ can you tell us a bit about your background / training?
:)

~Rebeccak

i am the one happy to join, lucky me this time i found some spare time to draw for ur thread.
my background is a mix of traditional and digital, mostly selftaugh thanks to resources as CGTALK and books.

Mavrick71
07-20-2005, 03:55 PM
I decided to do a side view of the skull, I thought I'd post it here before I got around to shading it, just to check the anatomy, it looks pretty good to me, but if you find anything wrong with this, or any of my drawings feel free to rip me to pieces.
http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/404/skullba7uh.jpg

jmBoekestein
07-20-2005, 04:23 PM
I did one too, used the frontal view provided before.

Took me 2.5 hours, but I'm not a painter actually. I'm pretty happy about it so far.
I focused on contrast and so on, to see what happens with only 3 colours, quite amazing fun. :D

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/8578/skullexercise4pn.jpg

there...had the wrong image up. lol.

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 04:27 PM
jmBoekestein,

WOW!!! Awesome!!! :thumbsup: That's a really BEAUTIFUL piece you've got going there, I am super impressed! :bounce: Ok, actually, that deserves another bouncy guy: :bounce: :)

Thanks for posting this! It rocks!!! :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 04:32 PM
Gack! Didn't see your guys' posts! :)

endseason,

Awesome! It's cool to know more about people and what their training is, so thanks! :)

Mavrick71,

There is nothing to rip to pieces, don't worry! One thing I would recommend ~ drawing LARGER. Maybe this is a small, shrunk down version, but to REALLY get in there and go after a WIDE range of Values, you have to work bigger. But you have a great start, and I can't wait to see your results! Thanks for posting this! :)

~Rebeccak

Spin99
07-20-2005, 04:45 PM
Hi Rebecca,

Well you really got me going now :)
I spent a couple of hours on this, since I got my wacom nibs today.
Love the new CGTalk look.

I started by tracing the reference and proceeded to draw and render on top.
Let me note that I do not hold copyright on the left image which is a wonderful RF photo.
I used Rebecca's pallete and brushes on this.

Hope you enjoy!

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/1798/shakes4uh.th.jpg (http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shakes4uh.jpg)

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 04:50 PM
Spin99,

Good work! Thank you for posting this! Now I would recommend the following: freehand draw the same skull, now that you've traced it, and more thoroughly shade using more of a painting technique than a drawing ~ cross-hatching technique. Though the cross~hatching is very nice, I think you will learn a lot more about shading through a more painterly approach, particularly when you are using the digital medium.

Good luck, and look forward to seeing your results! :)

~Rebeccak

jmBoekestein
07-20-2005, 04:56 PM
:D

Thanks a lot Rebeccak, hehehe... :blush: 't was real fun to do...I'm going to do this way more often. :wip:

Mavrick71
07-20-2005, 05:07 PM
Oh, I didn't think it was bad, but I was just putting that in there for future reference.
Here's the shaded version, and I'll work bigger next time.
It's about 2 1/2" x 2 1/4"
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/3264/skullba00019uy.jpg

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 05:14 PM
jmBoekestein,

WooHoo! More posts! It's like Christmas/Hannukah/Kwanza/name your holiday, that's what it's like it is! ;)

Mavrick71,

Hey, looking good! Looking forward to seeing the super-sized version! :)

~Rebeccak

Spin99
07-20-2005, 05:15 PM
@Euphrosyne
cool thing to do to a skull :p

@endseason
love the style

@jmBoekestein
nice brush stroke very perfect work :)

Rebecca,

Thanks a lot :D
Actually I used layers and by the time I finished tracing
I couldn't see the original anymore.

I use a white veil layer to hide the reference photo.
I think I'll take your advice on my next skull, and post a painting no tracing this time.

bandersnatch
07-20-2005, 06:14 PM
i ended up doing 3, and im gonna do more tonight. but im gonna choose this one for now.

*edit attached the other two i made last night as well. :D cheers!

http://www.elbandersnatcho.com/dsg/skull-front.jpg

http://elbandersnatcho.com/dsg/skull-side.jpg

http://elbandersnatcho.com/dsg/skull-back.jpg

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 06:33 PM
bandersnatch,

Wow, 3! It would be cool to see them all, but you don't have to show them if you don't want to :) ~ but this one is looking great! I actually like the eraser marks in the top of the skull, they look quite expressive, even if it's not what you intended.

Looking forward to seeing more of your work! :)

~Rebeccak

Jean Genie
07-20-2005, 08:09 PM
This is my take on the skull. First post in this forum although I did the other tutorials.
Always interesting to see how other people work and receive feedback.
Thanks for the opportunity...

Edit: Anyone knows why my image comes as a thumbnail while most people have a full image?

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 08:14 PM
Jean Genie,

Hey, it's cool that you're posting! Thanks for doing the other tutorials, that's pretty cool to hear! :)

Looking good so far ~ do you want to tell us about your background / training / artistic interests?

Thanks for the post! :)

~Rebeccak

Jean Genie
07-20-2005, 08:32 PM
Jean Genie,

Hey, it's cool that you're posting! Thanks for doing the other tutorials, that's pretty cool to hear! :)

Looking good so far ~ do you want to tell us about your background / training / artistic interests?

Thanks for the post! :)

~Rebeccak

Well, I've been drawing since I was a kid, but I never actually learned what the human skeleton and muscles looked like. I recently realised how important it was. I was in the process of diving into that when I saw your tutorials. It's good practice.

As for artistic interests, they're pretty wide. These days, I'm getting to understand how painting differs from drawing. That takes most of my time...

Thanks for the reply and this forum...

Squibbit
07-20-2005, 08:34 PM
Jean Genie!! Can I have a wish ?




.

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 08:43 PM
Ooh! I have a wish! I wish Squibbit would post skulls on this thread! <boink!>

;)

~Rebeccak

jmBoekestein
07-20-2005, 08:45 PM
Edit: Anyone knows why my image comes as a thumbnail while most people have a full image?

It's because you attached your file, the server handles it it's own way. Most here are probably using image hosts. I use imageshack.us ( add the www), they have a little program for windows explorer to right click and upload, really handy tool.

@spin99, thankee...it was great fun, I just grabbed the first acrylic brush and resized it as fit, gives a textured feel or something. Really fun, I used Painter IX.

Rebeccak
07-20-2005, 08:58 PM
Come on, Sir Squibbit! POST! POST! POST! POST! :)

~Join the party! :)

~Rebeccak

Jean Genie
07-20-2005, 09:48 PM
It's because you attached your file, the server handles it it's own way. Most here are probably using image hosts. I use imageshack.us ( add the www), they have a little program for windows explorer to right click and upload, really handy tool.


Thanks, I'll look into it.

Squibbit; what on earth could you wish for?

Squibbit
07-20-2005, 11:24 PM
Lady, Becca, as promised *bows*

Yea , it's his birthday, whatever he was
(the ref pic was just some skull from the net, not necessarily human)

Lady Jean, I wish you well :D

i so gotta learn to paint, i so hate to post pics like this :blush:

http://www.saunalahti.fi/panuom/skull_learn1.jpg

inkonyto
07-21-2005, 12:26 AM
lol Squibbit :scream: And happy birthday to him ! (PS : is it real painting ? Or digital ? i find it great)

Well i practiced "apple tutorial", and i think it's definitly not an easy tutorial (for me :)). Actually, i have almost never done such training of shading... Now i realize one of my great weakness... Thanks Rebecca for that

I'll go on with those exercice.... Eat apple !!

First one :

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/apple_1.jpg

Second:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/apple_2.jpg

Third (not finished) :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/inkonyto/images/dessins/apple_3.jpg

RobertoOrtiz
07-21-2005, 01:59 AM
Rebecca asked me to post this for her:

I am unable to post from home due to some technical strangeness (maybe tied into site reorganization? I dunno) but I am able to view peoples posts, and Squibbit, I am still laughing, and inkonyto, you did just a GREAT job! I am thoroughly impressed with both of you! Thanks for the great posts :-) Jean Genie, indeed Squibbit has nothing to wish for ~ however, he has made my dream come true by posting a skull with a birthday hat. Yay me!
Thanks guys, sorry for the stupidness, I will definitely be back on line tomorrow.

Thanks,

Rebecca

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 02:31 AM
Yay! It's now fixed, and I can now happily post away <runs sporadically in a circle, trips, then runs around again> :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-21-2005, 02:37 AM
Sir Squibbitage, <curtsies, trips on fabric, falls> ~

Excellent work! I hope t'was not your birthday, poor fellow ~ did Squibbit lose in the Squibbit vs. Squibbit mini challenge in WIP? We send our fondest regrets to...Squibbit. :)

inkonyto,

You have done a fantastic job with the shading exercise! I think it's great that you posted these, they look really great! I appreciate that you did this three times, and I especially like your second drawing. Good work! :thumbsup:

Ah...thank goodness I'm back online...I nearly went into withdrawal... ;)

~Rebeccak

Squibbit
07-21-2005, 07:25 AM
inkyoto - -- just digital stuff


Ah...thank goodness I'm back online...I nearly went into withdrawal... ;)
~Rebeccak

*Helps Becca back on her feet* -Careful there, milady, should watch your
step a bit more with all these skulls and stuff lying around ...

aennnd:
if da computer don't work, u just disappear into the woods for weeks,
n