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VisualKing
07-14-2005, 11:27 PM
Hello everyone i really dont know where to post this, I am not technical at all so i thought maybe you guys know about this more than i do.

I want to buy this computer, but I am not sure if my programs will work on it.

There is a chat button where you can click to talk with a representative. They told me that its a new type of computer that is better than the Int Pent 4 W/HT. They told me this type is going to be the future.

Dont know about it, its just that it uses really fast DDR2 memory and comes with the Nvidia Geforce 6200 256MB of ram...

For the price it looks good, but i am not sure if it will support all my 3D and Digital programs...Maya, Max, Silo..etc..

This is prices at $665

Here is the Link : http://www.cyberpowersystem.com/custom/cfgpd.asp?v=d


If anyone can help me to decide..please put your suggestions here or thoughts on this...

If you think i should not buy that pc than let me know what you think about this..

I am not trying to spend a lot of $$ right now, because i can always upgrade memory and stuff...but here is another link which is my 2nd Choice...

This is only $555

here is the Link : http://www.cyberpowersystem.com/custom/p4pcie.asp?v=d

Or if you know a better Site with better prices..please put it here..

killah
07-15-2005, 12:16 PM
Looking at the technical characteristics and at the prices, I have to say that I prefer the first computer, why?




Graphic card: there are better cards but Geforce 6200 is very good. It's PCI Express, It's compatible with nvidia's SLI system (it means that it can work with another graphic card concurrently) I don't know if the other graphic card (ATI Radeon X300, etc.) is compatible with ATI's CrossFire technology (we can say that CrossFire is the equivalent to nvidia's SLI, but I think that CrossFire is better, I'm not sure...) and, like all Geforce 6 series It supports ShaderModel 3, It's more complex than this but we can say that this means that you can program and use better and more detailed shaders in your scenes (ATI cards doesn't support ShaderModel 3 yet, maybe ShaderModel 2.0b (?) I think...)
You're right, the processor of the first machine is better than the second one. There aren't much applications taking advantatge of 64 bit processors power yet, but It'll be for sure.
In my opinion you should upgrade the main memory to 1GB for example, I say so because Maya, Max, etc. are very heavy programs, they use lots of main memory. You'll appreciate a better performance.
And now, you'll see...


Good bye

VisualKing
07-15-2005, 03:22 PM
Thanks for replying..

I was searching around ebay..and i found these...

Please tell me which computer i should get out of these links. I would really appreciate it. I am not very good with technical stuff.

1st choice : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...gory=52476&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5219607192&category=52476&rd=1)

2nd: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...gory=52475&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5217491238&category=52475&rd=1)

3rd: is this really true on this PC ?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...gory=52476&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5217752050&category=52476&rd=1) the price is very low


4th : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...gory=52476&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5218868197&category=52476&rd=1)

5th: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...gory=52476&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5219806043&category=52476&rd=1)

Please Let me know which pc would is the best for for under 1000 dollars on these computers...

Thank you ahead..

I have to hurry before anyone buys some of these...So please if you can tell me which one would be best...

Thank you, and I appreciate it

killah
07-18-2005, 02:00 PM
I have taken a look at all these PCs and well, I think that the first choice is the best, It has the best graphic card of all your options but is the more expensive too (more than 1000 $), so you could take a look at the 4th machine which I think is very good too (and has a good price). I think that these are the computers you should consider to buy. I'm sorry, but I can't see the third machine...
Sorry, if I'm late...

Bye

Akhen
07-26-2005, 03:02 AM
I recommend the ones from EcollegePC
even thought they have an online store on
ebay they also have a site, ecollegepc.com.

I just got myself a computer from them,
the config as in my signature, all of
it for 1700$
It works great and they are reliable, besides
a few glitches that I encounted having not
bought the OS with them.

soriah
07-26-2005, 03:58 AM
had a quick read through your problem... I have worked in the computer industry and sales for three years now and often put computer system pakages for renderers/ digital artists as i am one myself so I understand what they need

firstly the Dual Core will be much better than the P4 HT as Dual core means two processes in one

secondly if your not playing games on the machine and just using it for rendering etc you don't need a 256MB card 128MB is faster (it has something to do with power getting to the memory on the card - thats what I have been told)- believe it or not but thats the way it goes but again it comes down to personal preference and what the machine is needed for

thirdly have you tried an AMD machine they build processors for people like us ones who use the computer as an artistic tool and entertainment basically you can get an AMD dual core 64 bit (939) pin pop it on a standard 939 pin board (msi is a good brand) go download the latest bios update and ta da... its dual core compatable amd is also a fair bit cheaper (in australia)

but again its preference like people and their football teams but I will say dual core definately beats P4 with HT

VisualKing
07-26-2005, 12:22 PM
had a quick read through your problem... I have worked in the computer industry and sales for three years now and often put computer system pakages for renderers/ digital artists as i am one myself so I understand what they need

firstly the Dual Core will be much better than the P4 HT as Dual core means two processes in one

secondly if your not playing games on the machine and just using it for rendering etc you don't need a 256MB card 128MB is faster (it has something to do with power getting to the memory on the card - thats what I have been told)- believe it or not but thats the way it goes but again it comes down to personal preference and what the machine is needed for

thirdly have you tried an AMD machine they build processors for people like us ones who use the computer as an artistic tool and entertainment basically you can get an AMD dual core 64 bit (939) pin pop it on a standard 939 pin board (msi is a good brand) go download the latest bios update and ta da... its dual core compatable amd is also a fair bit cheaper (in australia)

but again its preference like people and their football teams but I will say dual core definately beats P4 with HT




Thank you soriah (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=165257) and all of you who have replied here.


Well since i was on the budget, i got a 3.8 Ghz Pentium 4/HT pc with the
Dual channel memory architecture
x 240-pin DIMM sockets support max. 8GB DDR2 800/667/533 non-ECC memory
Support NVIDIA DASP 3.0 (dynamic adaptive speculative preprocessor) and QuickSync features

The mother board Asus P5ND2-SLI Deluxe also support Socket775 for Intel® Pentium Processor Extreme Edition / Pentium D* / Pentium 4 / Celeron CPU, but the AMD mother boards have no such feature for processors or DDR2 Memory.

Compatible with Intel® 05B/05A and 04B/04A processors
Intel® EM64T/ EIST*/Hyper-Threading Technology

Graphics card: ATI/SAPPHIRE RADEON X300 SE 128MB DDR PCI-EXPRESS W/ CRT & TVO I am used to the Nvidia cards, i know that the ATI cards are not as good, but i can always upgrade. Besides this graphics card, i can also put in a Dual Graphics card if i want in the mother board.

So with this motherboard i can always upgrade to Dual Core or any other processors currently out there. Which is great because i was on the budget and i had to make a choice so i can upgrade later to dual core. I know that dual cores are better, but i did not have enough money to get everything i wanted. I spent 1300 dollars on this pc.

I love the Case its a black X-BLADE Mid-Tower 500w/ open WINDOW & LCD Temperature Display + FAN CONTROL. All fans are clear/blue colour.

Here is a link: http://www.a-top.com/xblade/xblade_in2.jpg

http://216.59.137.35/images/CS/CS-202-102.jpg

It only has 512 DDR2 ram...so it will take me a few months before i can turn this pc into a monster computer. But i will take it step by step. I tried every site to get the same mother board with the features i got, but all of them ended up costing a lot more. So i think i might have gotten a good deal here..

what do u think?

i bought the PC at www.cyberpowersystem.com (http://www.cyberpowersystem.com/) they got nice cases and cheaper than all the other sites i have visited so far.

Tlock
08-10-2005, 06:22 PM
Just so everyone knows, AMD is the cheap processor architecture. SMP is still a big hurdle for them. So when it comes to playing games, 3D and 2D stuff GO WITH INTEL. If you can get the Dual Cores with HyperThreading. These processors are monsters power houses. But here is an IMPORTANT point, you can get more out of AMD system if the INTEL system is using a cheap video card. Most graphic applications at one point or another use builtin Windows or OpenGL Commands, which heavely rely on the Video Cards to perform tasks. So if you want to get a little cheap on anything save some money on the processor such as only the Dual Core (which is much faster the HT) and spend the rest on a FAST video card. And although there maybe some speed issues with going for 128MB over 256MB video that depends on your needs. Most games will not need more than 128MB of video memory, but 3D design can very easily eat that up, at which point memory swaping between video and mother board memory will kill your speed faster than any power usage overhead.

Amahpour
08-17-2005, 12:48 AM
i dont know it is truth or not but someone told me the AMD get hot faster than INTEL!
and it would decrees CPU life!
about the graphic cards i prefer Nvidia's Geforce rather than ATI

Unnamed422
08-22-2005, 09:31 PM
I am a hardware freak and here is my philoshopy on the entire chip ordeal.

the first pentium 4's were great right... not.. shortly after their release, speaking in moores law sense, they changed from 400mhz fbs to 800mhz.. it was beautiful beause after that HT was thrown in along with more chip cache. Did you notice they started going backwards in their chips and improving them also instead of going forwards?

2.6 ghz with ht at 800mhz fsb? they already had the 2.6ghz 400mhz which was a totally different pin. this all happened in their transitioning period. A time to stand back and just watch.. Like now

Dual cores are great on paper.. It is basically a evolution of the HT.. I am personally waiting for the Dual cores with HT technology to come down in prices before I buy a PD. Reason being would be: Pentium D's without HT is just a processor being able to take a full 1 command each at the same time whereas, p4 with HT were 1 and the HT we'll say made it 1.5. Well why go only .5 better when you can wait and get a full extra command track with the pentium d with HT. Two cores with that can use HT. Meaning 1.5 command track+ 1.5 command track = 3 in total. don't settle .5 command increase with same onboard cache. There will soon be a PD/HT with 2x2mb cache for a great price.

but if you are on the a banging slow pc right now.. do what you have too :D

I heard a great idea on when to purchase a computer and it to me.. has held rather true.

build a computer in the later period of the 18 months of moores laws. upgrade for the next 18 months then plan again on the later period of the next 18 months.

Or wait like some people and buy a new computer only because a new game is out they want to play :D



oh yeah.. sorry if I said what the same as the other repsonders.. I havent read theirs yet.

ewltra
09-04-2005, 01:39 PM
Just so everyone knows, AMD is the cheap processor architecture. SMP is still a big hurdle for them. So when it comes to playing games, 3D and 2D stuff GO WITH INTEL. If you can get the Dual Cores with HyperThreading. These processors are monsters power houses. But here is an IMPORTANT point, you can get more out of AMD system if the INTEL system is using a cheap video card. Most graphic applications at one point or another use builtin Windows or OpenGL Commands, which heavely rely on the Video Cards to perform tasks. So if you want to get a little cheap on anything save some money on the processor such as only the Dual Core (which is much faster the HT) and spend the rest on a FAST video card. And although there maybe some speed issues with going for 128MB over 256MB video that depends on your needs. Most games will not need more than 128MB of video memory, but 3D design can very easily eat that up, at which point memory swaping between video and mother board memory will kill your speed faster than any power usage overhead.

You really need to update your info on amd :)

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