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ECOsvaldo
07-14-2005, 03:10 PM
I have always wanted to work in computer animation for quite a while now. Now that I have plenty of ideas for short films, I am planning to build my own digital content creation workstation. Using Newegg for the computer parts, here is what I've come up with:

Intel Pentium 4 530J 3.0GHz Prescott 800MHz FSB Processor
Spire CoolWave II 90mm Ball Cooling Fan/Heatsink
ABIT AA8XE Intel 925XE ATX Intel Motherboard
CORSAIR ValueSelect 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 533 SDRAM Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory
GIGABYTE Geforce 6600 256MB PCI Express x16 Video Card
Seagate Barracuda 80GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
Seagate Barracuda 250GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
LITE-ON Black IDE 16X DVD-ROM Drive Model
NEC ND-3540A Black IDE DVD Burner Model
Rosewill RV500S ATX 500W Power Supply
AeroCool AEROENGINE C-Class Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

FINAL PRICE: $995.45


If you look at it this way, this is 4x the power than what my computer is now (AMD Athlon 1.3GHz, 512MB RAM, GeForce4 MX 440 128MB). What do you guys think? You can find the list to these parts here: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1586211&WishListTitle=Digital Content Creation Workstation and Gaming PC for under $1,000! (http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1586211&WishListTitle=Digital Content Creation Workstation and Gaming PC for under $1,000!).

MadMax
07-14-2005, 08:00 PM
Athlon64 and the newer A64-X2's are pretty much faster at everything over Intel. Not to mention they run way cooler than Intel's room heaters.

Have a look at A64 3500+ 272.00+
Asus A8N-E 112.00
Corsair or OCZ (2gb can be had for as low as 225.00)


Most of the rest of the parts you have listed will work here just fine. Although I'd bump up that video to a 6800 if you can afford it.

Not sure About Rosewill PS's. Antec truepower are well respected.

One question though, why a CD Rom and a DVDR? Also, the NEC ND-35xx DVDR is a MUCH better buy than Lite-On.

ECOsvaldo
07-14-2005, 09:14 PM
Athlon64 and the newer A64-X2's are pretty much faster at everything over Intel. Not to mention they run way cooler than Intel's room heaters.

Have a look at A64 3500+ 272.00+
Asus A8N-E 112.00
Corsair or OCZ (2gb can be had for as low as 225.00)


Most of the rest of the parts you have listed will work here just fine. Although I'd bump up that video to a 6800 if you can afford it.

Not sure About Rosewill PS's. Antec truepower are well respected.

One question though, why a CD Rom and a DVDR? Also, the NEC ND-35xx DVDR is a MUCH better buy than Lite-On.

Oh, I agree that the Athlon64 is faster than what I chose. But the only thing that shied me away from it is the price right now. My budget is $1,000. Also, the Lite-On is a 16X DVD-ROM drive and the NEC is the newest DVD burner that burns both DVD+R DL and DVD-R DL.

lots
07-14-2005, 09:38 PM
Ditto.......

MadMax
07-15-2005, 03:42 AM
Oh, I agree that the Athlon64 is faster than what I chose. But the only thing that shied me away from it is the price right now. My budget is $1,000. Also, the Lite-On is a 16X DVD-ROM drive and the NEC is the newest DVD burner that burns both DVD+R DL and DVD-R DL.


Okay, so the question still stands (BTW I made a typo earlier) Why the Lite On? That NEC also is a DVD Rom.

To keep within your budget, the difference in what I quoted to you and teh Intel you looked at is 100.00

The motherboard I suggested is 25.00 cheaper than the one you are looking at.

Drop the Lite On and you save another 25.00 or so.

Instead of the 3500+ at 272.00, get the 3200+ Venice core at 198.00 (over clock using nVidia's nVTune) it's safe and won't damage your system.

ECOsvaldo
07-15-2005, 12:37 PM
After taking into consideration what MadMax suggested, here is an updated look on my DCC workstation for under $1,000:


AeroCool AEROENGINE C-class Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Case - Retail - $ 49.00
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811196005 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811196005)

Asus A8N-E nForce4 Ultra ATX Motherboard - Retail - $113.99
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=240423 (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=240423)

GIGABYTE Geforce 6600 256MB DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail - $121.00
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814125184 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814125184)

ASPIRE ATX-AS520W SILVER ATX 520W Power Supply - Retail - $ 55.00
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817148009 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817148009)

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor - OEM - $188.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103534 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103534)

OCZ Value Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit - Retail - $186.01
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820146841 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820146841)

Seagate Barracuda 80GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM - $ 62.00
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822148040 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822148040)

Seagate Barracuda 250GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM - $121.00
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822148065 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822148065)

LITE-ON Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model SOHD-16P9SBLK - Retail - $ 24.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827131410 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827131410)

NEC Black IDE DVD Burner Model ND-3540A - OEM - $ 45.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827152047 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827152047)

Thermaltake Silent Boost K8 80mm Ball Cooling Fan/Heatsink - Retail - $ 29.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16835106036 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16835106036)


GRAND TOTAL - $996.97



What do you think?


EDIT: Replaced the Retail version of the processor with an OEM one.

lots
07-15-2005, 02:03 PM
Swap that PSU for an Antec, and you're in business...

Also, since you're buying a HSF, why are you getting the retail CPU? Get OEM and save a few bucks.

ECOsvaldo
07-15-2005, 02:20 PM
Swap that PSU for an Antec, and you're in business...

Also, since you're buying a HSF, why are you getting the retail CPU? Get OEM and save a few bucks.

I've been looking at Antec, and for the 500W+ power supplies, they are over $100! Are there any other manufacturers that are just as good as Antec, but a little lower in price? Again, my budget is $1,000. I can always upgrade later if I want to.

lots
07-15-2005, 02:47 PM
Let me put it this way. You get what you pay for. The PSU is not something you want to cheap out on. Buy a bad one, and you can fry the system. Also many times off brands dont deliver at thier stated wattage or amperage. Thus, it may say 500W on the box, but in actuality you're only going to get about 400W (just an example :P). I'm not 100% sure on your PSU choice, but if it were my system, I would shoot for a PC Power and Cooling, a high end Antec, or (now that I've owned one) a Silverstone.

ECOsvaldo
07-15-2005, 02:58 PM
Let me put it this way. You get what you pay for. The PSU is not something you want to cheap out on. Buy a bad one, and you can fry the system. Also many times off brands dont deliver at thier stated wattage or amperage. Thus, it may say 500W on the box, but in actuality you're only going to get about 400W (just an example :P). I'm not 100% sure on your PSU choice, but if it were my system, I would shoot for a PC Power and Cooling, a high end Antec, or (now that I've owned one) a Silverstone.

Read some of the reviews on the ASPIRE Silver ATX 520W Power Supply - http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/FeedBack/CustRatingReview.asp?Item=N82E16817148009

catamount
07-15-2005, 03:41 PM
the P4 would be faster than an athlon 3200+.

i would keep the extra and get a 6800GT (ebay is good for videocards).

aside from that i notice madmax seems to be a tad biased? :)

ECOsvaldo
07-15-2005, 04:20 PM
the P4 would be faster than an athlon 3200+.

i would keep the extra and get a 6800GT (ebay is good for videocards).

aside from that i notice madmax seems to be a tad biased? :)

It's true that they are faster, but I've been reading up that the P4 processors run really hot. With me, I don't want a processor like that. Also, I can always upgrade the graphics card later when I'm ready.

novadude
07-15-2005, 04:24 PM
the P4 would be faster than an athlon 3200+.

At what, and since when?

MadMax
07-15-2005, 07:23 PM
the P4 would be faster than an athlon 3200+.

i would keep the extra and get a 6800GT (ebay is good for videocards).

aside from that i notice madmax seems to be a tad biased? :)

Nope. There just happens to be a lot of very technical reasons why AMD processors are superior to Intel. Speed alone isn't always the biggest issue, A big one being Intel has a very poor 64 bit implementation, and the 3.0ghz. he mentioned at first doesn't even have 64 bit. and FYI that 3ghz. Intel is not going to be faster than that 3200+ he selected. Stock it will be real close to the same. comparitively, AMD's are comparable in speed to Intel CPU's clocked as much as 1ghz higher.

AMD has higher memory bandwidth which is a big plus in multitasking and pesky stuff like performance when working in 3D apps.

1ghz. Hypertransport bus, which is sometime mistaken referred to as a 1ghz. FSB.

High speed interconnect, which Intel does not have.

Also, with thsi setup, he has a very clear upgrade path in the future if he decides he wants a dual core processor when they come down in price. a year from now when dual cores are common, the high prices we see now will be much lower. to upgrade, he'll just need a new CPU.

With Intel he'll require a new motherboard as well.

Also a few years ago, yu had sites like Tom's hardware telling people to avoid the Athlon XP's because they were hot. To the point where they even made a video showing one burn up if the heatsink happened to just "fall off" a P4 runs even hotter that those old 32 bit Athlons. If I use THG's logic, you should avoid Intel :)

And of course the question is, you said 3200+, I suppose you could mean the 3200+ 32 bit XP chip from 3+ years ago, if so yeah, the intel probably would be faster than that one, but we ARE talking about the A64 3200+.

lots
07-15-2005, 07:32 PM
Didn't I say something about "You get what you pay for?" :P

ECOsvaldo
07-18-2005, 05:35 PM
Well, I think this is it - the final build for my DCC workstation. The main drive (80GB) will only have the operating system and programs. The other one (250GB) will hold all my data. And yes, it's a little over my budget, but getting an Antec power supply and a Zalman cooling fan/heatsink will make this system fast and cool, according to what people have said. Here it is:


AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor - OEM - $188.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103534 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103534)

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM - $7.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835100007 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835100007)

ZALMAN CNPS7000B-AlCu 2 Ball Blue LED Light Cooling Fan/Heatsink - Retail - $32.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118118 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118118)

Asus A8N-E nForce4 Ultra ATX Motherboard - Retail - $113.99
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=240423 (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=240423)

OCZ Value Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit - Retail - $186.01
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820146841 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820146841)

GIGABYTE Geforce 6600 256MB DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail - $121.00
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814125184 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814125184)

Seagate Barracuda 80GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM - $62.00
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822148040 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822148040)

Seagate Barracuda 250GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM - $116.00
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822148065 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822148065)

LITE-ON Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model SOHD-16P9SBLK - Retail - $25.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827131410 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827131410)

NEC Black IDE DVD Burner Model ND-3540A - OEM - $45.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827152047 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827152047)

Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-500 ATX12V 500W Power Supply - Retail - $75.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103937 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103937)

AeroCool AEROENGINE C-class Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Case - Retail - $49.00
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811196005 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811196005)

GRAND TOTAL: $1,023.96


What do you think?

MadMax
07-18-2005, 08:08 PM
Looks pretty good.

ECOsvaldo
07-20-2005, 09:12 PM
I also decided on throwing in a 3.5" floppy drive and another 80mm case fan (to attach to the back of the case):

Antec LED80XFAN 80mm Blue LED Light Cooling Fan - Retail - $7.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835129007

Sony Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive - OEM - $11.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821103116


Oh man! I didn't realize it until now. The already-attached side 80mm and front 120mm case fans will be glowing blue, the heatsink/fan will glow blue, and the other 80mm case fan will glow blue. And with a side glass panel, my whole room is gonna be a huge blue nightlight! FRIGGIN' SWEET!

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