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Rebeccak
07-11-2005, 11:12 AM
Guys,

This thread is for posting your BEST 5 PAGES OF DRAWINGS FROM LIFE ~ NO photo reference drawings please!

Please limit the size to 600 pixel WIDTH x appropriate pixel LENGTH.

Thank you! Look forward to your posts! :)

~Rebeccak

EricUNSL
07-11-2005, 02:04 PM
well this one is pretty old but I had a good time doing it. 6hr session. This looks to be a very nice sub forum. I'm glad you guys put it together. I'll post a few more once I scan them in.

http://www.starleagueart.com/EWnew/images/Drawings/model1.JPG

AmirP
07-11-2005, 02:22 PM
Here's 2 of my life drawings, Those two were done a few weeks back, they were done using an oil based black pencil, Im not really sure which type, Any ways, ill be glad to get some feedback on those two :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/AmirP/life_drawing_class_18th_may_2005_sm.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/AmirP/life_drawing_class_25th_may_2005_sm.jpg

Rebeccak
07-11-2005, 02:23 PM
Eric UNSL,

Thank you for posting this lovely drawing! I like your linework a lot, and think that the upper portion of the face is particularly well-done.

NOT that this thread is in any way primarily about my opinion (it is about EVERYONE'S contribution), but my two-cent crit would be that angle of the lips is a bit off relative to the angle of the eyes and nose.

Looking forward to seeing more of your posts! :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-11-2005, 02:25 PM
Desp#2/Rog,

What are your thoughts on these? :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-11-2005, 02:28 PM
AmirP,

Thank you for posting your work! I particularly like the first drawing, as I believe it demonstrates a strong understanding of form, particularly around the upper torso.

I think you would greatly benefit from copying ANATOMICAL PLATES from books ~ as this can only strengthen and deepen your understanding of form.

Stay tuned for upcoming LESSON threads, as we will be addressing these topics then.

Thanks for your post! :)

Anyone should feel free to offer comments and critique :)

~Rebeccak

yAdam
07-11-2005, 02:43 PM
Really think I will benefit from this new forum, thanks rebecca! Here's two i've done. Did these after about a year away from doing any life drawing, were both timed for 20 minutes in a class a few months ago.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/yAdam1/life2.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/yAdam1/life1.jpg

Rebeccak
07-11-2005, 02:46 PM
yAdam,

Thank you for posting these! Ah, I do love backs, as they offer myriad interesting shadow shapes, particularly if there is good light source and the torso is slightly turned.

Continue to draw DAILY if you can! Please post more of your work as you are able.

Thank you! :)

~Rebeccak

AmirP
07-11-2005, 02:52 PM
Thanks for you commant rebecca :)

I have the "Anatomy Drawing School" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/3895082899/qid=1121093510/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-0070910-5066563?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) book by Andras Szunyoghy and Gyorgy Feher, Its a big one :D it has alot of anatomy reference but its all drawings, should I try drawing from books like that ?

Rebeccak
07-11-2005, 02:58 PM
Amir P wrote:

Thanks for you commant rebecca :)
No problem! You are welcome! :)

I have the "Anatomy Drawing School" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/3895082899/qid=1121093510/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-0070910-5066563?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) book by Andras Szunyoghy and Gyorgy Feher, Its a big one :D it has alot of anatomy reference but its all drawings, should I try drawing from books like that ?

Looks like a great book ~ I think you should ABSOLUTELY draw from books like that. The best method for learning how to draw is to draw from LIFE and from Anatomy books AT THE SAME TIME.

Thank you for your posts! :)

~Rebeccak

System404
07-11-2005, 08:25 PM
These are my last life drawings I did while in school. Man I miss those days :)

Guy In Rubber Suit
07-12-2005, 03:10 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/guyinrubbersuit/lifedrawing.jpg


I did this piece for my second life drawing class I took two years ago. It took me...maybe an hour and a half, I can't recall exactly how long. The medium are pencils and paper. Good ol'pencils and paper. :D

I just used the model in the class. The white part underneath him, which was a cloth on a chair, was a bit hard to get because the light wasn't hitting it just right, so it may look like that he's floating or something. I should've exaggerated the shading there.

YeeWu
07-12-2005, 06:30 AM
I did these for a drawing class last summer. Can someone help me weed one of these 6 drawings out?

30 min

http://www.effloresce.com/art/figure_01.jpg

45 min? (I think :P )

http://www.effloresce.com/art/figure_02.jpg

45 min

http://www.effloresce.com/art/figure_03.jpg

2 hours? My teacher said this was my weakest drawing:

http://www.effloresce.com/art/figure_08_small.jpg

Probably an hour and a half - I'm thinking of tossing this one out:

http://www.effloresce.com/art/figure_04.jpg

The following 2 were actually done on a giant sheet of paper for my final. I couldn't get a good enough quality picture, so I had to split them up. Originally done in blue color pencil, but that didn't turn out well:

http://www.effloresce.com/art/figure_10a_small.jpg
http://www.effloresce.com/art/figure_10b_small.jpg

leftyfallat
07-12-2005, 07:04 AM
These are some figure drawings that I did while completing a drawing minor at school. I usually enjoy style of the French Academy. These all started as life drawings however some of them ended up pulling from photograph's. Hope you enjoy, and critiques are always welcome.

leftyfallat
07-12-2005, 07:12 AM
Sorry about that. Just read the original post. The first two ended up using some photo reference, but the last was life. See if I can find some more...Oh yeah and bye the way...I think that this forum is a great idea and I plan to frequent it often.

NOOB!
07-12-2005, 11:01 AM
lefty those are brilliant!!

bradw
07-12-2005, 04:14 PM
agreed! :applause: :buttrock:

This thread is making me want to resurrect my rusty pencil of old..
Altho since doing architecture/environments for so long now.. dare I say it; that I'm scared witless to do any life drawing at all! :cry:

maybe I will have a dabble in photoshop first, keeping my rubbish off here, and keep an eye on this fantastic thread/sub forum to inspire me to practise!

leftyfallat
07-12-2005, 09:49 PM
Appreciate the comments!

gnarlycranium
07-14-2005, 10:07 PM
These are from last fall term, my first figure drawing class. I don't have more recent ones photographed yet, and these are better anyway.


http://www.moreplans.com/Leah/Sketch/FD02s.jpg

18"x24", charcoal, 25 minutes. I've always despised charcoal-- this was the first time it actually started to cooperate with me.

http://www.moreplans.com/Leah/Sketch/FD07s.jpg

18"x24", graphite pencil, 1 hr. Figure drawing in pencil is a nightmare, this is one of the few that actually turned out okay.

http://www.moreplans.com/Leah/Sketch/FD10s.jpg

18"x24", charcoal, 1hr.

http://www.moreplans.com/Leah/Sketch/FD11s.jpg

18"x24", charcoal, 1 hr.

http://www.moreplans.com/Leah/Sketch/FD14s.jpg

18"x24", charcoal, 1 hr. That's a mirror in front of her, though it doesn't show up too good.

digital-bobert
07-14-2005, 11:30 PM
Hi Rebecca! Dug this one up... How are my proportions? :P

http://www.artofbob.com/images/forums/lifedrawing.jpg

Rebeccak
07-14-2005, 11:58 PM
Proportions are...sexy? :shrug:

Wait. It's a trick question.

:)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
07-15-2005, 03:57 AM
Gnarly Cranium,

Thank you for posting these! :) I like the second one best of the man sleeping ~ I think his restive mood affected you ~ the mood and attitude of the models always affect the artist!

Congratulations on completing your first figure drawing class, and I encourage you to keep at it!

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
09-14-2005, 03:40 PM
Fall 2005 classes are in session, so you guys and gals have no excuses not to post your LIFE DRAWINGS here!


AOAH and Mike, you know I'm talking to you especially! Get them buns into gear! :thumbsup:

Looking forward to everyone's class LIFE DRAWINGS! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Stalsby
09-16-2005, 06:37 PM
heres some stuff from life drawing class

Rebeccak
09-16-2005, 06:56 PM
Stalsby,

Welcome to the forum, and thanks for posting your work! :) I especially like your last Drawing, it looks like a longer pose. Hope to see more of your drawings here as your class progresses! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

umbrellasky
09-16-2005, 08:18 PM
wow some stunning work here! Unnfortunatly I don't have many to show, well any that are worth showing. We should be starting up some more drawing classes soon so hopefully I will have some images to post then.

Nice work everyone thanks so much for sharing! :D

mrtristan
09-18-2005, 02:36 AM
I'm attending a figure drawing workshop, and I did this picture in about 3 hours in Painter. (I have a laptop. Everybody loves staring at my toy in the workshop... weeee....)

The model is a circus performer. She was in costume, probably because she had an awesome costume on. Her hair was crazy wild, and was really, really fun to paint.

Her expression was a little funny. She kept falling asleep while posing. I think the music just lulled her to sleep. It was absolutely adorable.

Anyhoo, any and all C&C is welcome.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a382/mr_tristan/erika_9-17-2005_006.jpg

FIX: I recently recalibrated my laptop monitor since other monitors seem to be getting significantly different contrasts. Here's the originally produced (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a382/mr_tristan/painting_005-small.jpg) .jpg from the laptop. The contrast of the above image is still not perfect, but it's better.

PS. The drawings by leftyfallat are amazing. How long did those take? They remind me of drawings I saw in the Tony Ryder book.

Rebeccak
09-18-2005, 03:16 AM
mrtristan,

ROFL, years and years ago, there was this cartoon by Wiley? I think which showed a bunch of people behind computers holding up pencils to measure a model in front of them ~ the unspoken but implied punchline was 'Ha! Ha! Like that would ever happen!' Well...hehe, looks like that's not such an odd occurence anymore! Lol, I think this was even before laptops were prevalent...:scream:

At any rate, I think this is a really cool little painting, and I would be really interested to see what your future paintings from this workshop will look like.

If you reexamine the face, I think you might find that it looks as though the entire face is on a single plane ~ when in fact, it is comprised of innumerable small facets ~ which can be represented by a shift in value as the face subtly turns away from the viewer, or changes angle. Right now, every highlight/light area on the face is about the same value, or brightness, which is causing the face to flatten out. Try darkening areas which are slanted away from the viewer, or down. This will help significantly to help the face 'read'. (Also, the eye seems a bit close to the nose ~ generally, the space between the eyes is approximately one eye width). I think there is a much more sense of shape through value in the neck and shoulder area ~ great job there!

Great stuff, look forward to more! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

jrr
09-21-2005, 04:39 AM
here's a couple i did last year, i forget how long they took, probably 10ish minutes or so,
http://www.jrtistic.com/images/junk/parsonsthree.jpg
http://www.jrtistic.com/images/junk/lying2.jpg

Rebeccak
09-21-2005, 04:47 AM
jrr,

Great to see your work here, and I recognize a bit of James McMullan's influence in your work, am I right? :) I checked out your website, some great stuff there! There is an unmistakable quality of linework which McMullan teaches (I learned from an amazing former student of his) and it's very nice to see this kind of linework again. :thumbsup: I was not always the best at this approach, so I admire those who can master it. :)

Though the proportions on the drawings are not perfect, I don't mind this as the overall sense of the figures is very much present. There is a wonderful John Singer Sargent sketch quality to the first of these drawings, and just a very nice relaxed but considered approach to the second. Are you taking any classes currently, or have you graduated? Nice to see your work, and hope to see more. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

jrr
09-21-2005, 05:06 AM
ah there is no greater compliment to me than to mention sargent or sargent-light even.
i took a class in sva called high focus drawing, i took it for two semesters and sat in for another, i didn't have mcmullan but he was like the head dude for that class(course?), i had one of his students teach me, robert babboni (awesome teacher great artist). before i took the class i was super anal with correct proportions and whatnot, spending way too much time on these drawings and drawing what amounts to stiff rockmen. the class to introduced to me a different way at looking at things while i'm drawing them and that's just what i needed. if i know the model will sit for a while i could take my time and render to my hearts content, but this type of fast sketching is equally fun.
i graduated a couple of years ago, i'll be posting more as long as i can find some drawing sessions with good models and most importantly a comfortable enviroment!

Rebeccak
09-21-2005, 05:16 AM
jrr,

Yep, Sargent is a favorite of mine, a particular sketch of his, soldiers lying in the grasses, or some such, comes to mind. He has a kind of inimitable style in which everything seemed so darn easy. The bastard could really paint. :scream: Definitely a favorite. :)

I don't know if these would interest you, as they are not 'live' models, and I don't know how well the McMullan approach would lend itself to working from photographs, but we have the following Figure Drawing / Painting Workshops going on in which people may use any style or approach to their work:

(http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525) Open Figure Drawing Workshops with Hong Ly and Rebecca Kimmel (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525)
(see the Links to the OFDWs in Post #3)

We are currently on OFDW 004, with a new model in 2 weeks for OFDW 005. Hope you will check it out, and join us if you can. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

EAD
09-21-2005, 03:18 PM
Hi all, thought Id post a drawing from week 2 of my first life class in 2 years. I finding it tough going after drawing from photo reference recently. When you add that 3rd dimension drawing becomes a whole new kettle of fish!.... (now there's a phrase to confuse an international community...) :thumbsup:

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/3786/week28hj.jpg

fooxoo
09-21-2005, 06:32 PM
LOL guys, I wish I could show you the cubes and cillindres I did today at my art class :P:P:P Ahhhh sooooo far to doing real life figure drawing. Thank got for anatomy forums here - at least some practice :D


You re all goood!

Rebeccak
09-21-2005, 07:08 PM
AOAH,

Ah. The real AOAH has revealed himself at last!

Your drawing bring to mind 3 artists:

1. Manuel Neri (amazing sculptor, one of my favorites) ~ see images below
2. Alex Kanevsky (link to work here (http://www.jcacciolagallery.com/Pages/Artists/Kanevsky.html))
3. Lucian Freud (link to work here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38120000/jpg/_38120109_020706freud2.jpg))

http://www.askart.com/photos/bon4232003/6050.jpg

http://www.askart.com/photos/bon4232003/6050.jpg

http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles1998/Articles0398/0398JPGs/MNeri1D.JPG

http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles1998/Articles0398/0398JPGs/MNeri1D.JPG


http://www.wallawallafoundry.com/images/Neri.jpg

http://www.wallawallafoundry.com/images/Neri.jpg

http://www.bu.edu/bridge/archive/1999/02-05/photos/neri.jpeg

http://www.bu.edu/bridge/archive/1999/02-05/photos/neri.jpeg

http://www.artgiftnet.com/html/images/books/generalbook/gb12.jpg

http://www.artgiftnet.com/html/images/books/generalbook/gb12.jpg


http://www.artnet.de/artwork_images/635/123181t.jpg

http://www.artnet.de/artwork_images/635/123181t.jpg

You might also be interested in the artist Nicolai Fechin (Russian) whose drawings blow me away:

http://www.mosgalleryfineframing.com/images/Fechin/1.jpg

http://www.mosgalleryfineframing.com/images/Fechin/1.jpg



I'd be really interested in seeing your oil paintings, if you have done any. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

EAD
09-21-2005, 09:04 PM
Rebecca

I'm not sure if this is the 'real' AOAH, I dont really have a personnal style as yet.

I haven't ever really painted the figure before, but I am planning to attempt it at somepoint in my coming classes...... I'll keep you posted.

With regards to the artists mentioned, I am very familiar with Lucian Freud... he's definately one of my all time favourite figure painters. I was lucky enough to catch his retrospective at Tate Britain a few years ago... superb. I seem to remember it cost me about 12 pounds to get in..:D but I'm glad I paid it as it was some of the best work Ive seen. Hes the master at rendering flesh (although 'rendering' is a rather cold way to describe it as his paintings are practically alive) :eek:

Thanks for all the reference RK, thats ACE. I do like the sculptor especially and Im checkin them all out right now ;)

cheers

EAD
09-21-2005, 09:11 PM
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

WOWWW I just checked out Alex Kanevsky, AMAZING paintings........ good call Rebecca :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
09-21-2005, 09:14 PM
AOAH,

You're totally welcome, and whichever AOAH has arrived, we're happy to have him aboard ;) ~
Another artist you might wish to check out is Giacometti ~ less his sculptures than his drawings:

http://www.francis-bacon.cx/articles/giacometti_1960.jpg

http://www.francis-bacon.cx/articles/giacometti_1960.jpg

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/chabrieres/paintings/giacometti_diego.jpg

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/chabrieres/paintings/giacometti_diego.jpg

http://spiltink.dreamhost.com/blogs/salimages/Giacometti-PortraitDeDiego.gif

http://spiltink.dreamhost.com/blogs/salimages/Giacometti-PortraitDeDiego.gif

http://www.rodoni.ch/busoni/pittura/immagini/giacometti.jpg

http://www.rodoni.ch/busoni/pittura/immagini/giacometti.jpg

I recently met Sam Chen at SIGGRAPH, who did an award winning animation based on Giacometti's life (I have only seen bits of the animation, but it's way cool) which is called 'Eternal Gaze'. Random tidbit. :)

WOWWW I just checked out Alex Kanevsky, AMAZING paintings........ good call Rebecca :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Yeah, Kanevsky is like my current favorite figurative painter...I worshipped at the altar of Freud for a long time but after a while, it's like retinal burn you wear out...tho looking at his work again today I am reminded of his sheer pictorial power...wish he would exhibit here as well!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

EAD
09-21-2005, 09:26 PM
Yeah I like the expressive nature of giacometti's drawings, full of energy which i always like.... for some reason I always enjoy looking at unfinished, quickly done drawing and painting- It probably reflects the way i work (I dont think I ve ever finished anything... EVER..... appart from> I did read Lord of the Rings once...lol )

- I'm sure Ive seen that middle drawing for real...mmmmmmm.. not sure where..... tate modern maybe. :thumbsup:

EAD
09-21-2005, 09:30 PM
YYEAH Kanevsky rules

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: we love you Kanevsky :bounce: :bounce:

Rebeccak
09-21-2005, 09:35 PM
Apart from your doing painting in this style (which I can completely see your enjoying) I think it will be cool to see as people start to do animations in a more 'painterly' style...like Chen did, in a way. While I love beautiful, perfectly finished to the nth degree paintings by Ingres and even renderings by modern Illustrators, I vastly prefer work which leaves something to the imagination by way of pieces which are 'unfinished' or 'rough', such as the work of Neri, a sculptor I was lucky enough to stumble upon through a friend's book. I've never seen the work in person, but as you know, some work looks better photographed than it does in person. I am happy to hear that such is not the case with Freud's paintings. I've heard that the Bay Area painter Richard Diebenkorn, who used house paints as a medium, are pretty drab and disappointing in person.

Anyhoo, I hope to see your paintings, as I really think you would take to this style like a fish to water...or like Mike to liquor when he was 16, lol! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

EAD
09-21-2005, 09:52 PM
Some painting definately looks better in photographs and can be dissapointing in reality, i find it mostly with the illustrative artists like dahli or magritte, but freuds work is far better seen in the flesh, as the camera can never quite capture the depth and texture of the paint surface. I think same applies to sheer presence and scale you get standing in front of a Rothko- v' difficult to capture in print.

Rebeccak
09-21-2005, 10:00 PM
Rothko! Finally, an artists' work which I have seen in person. His work is permanently displayed in the East Wing of the National Gallery in DC. :) It's funny, Rothko is a name whose impact kind of vaporized for me after I discovered the Photoshop blur tool...*grim smile* ~ I know he had serious doubts about his own work as well throughout his life, and I have mixed feelings about his work. My earliest memory of an art museum is of seeing his work at the Natl. Gallery when I was around 8 and saying, as all brats are wont to do, 'I could do that!' I sort of still feel the same way...tho thru years of indoctrination, I have actually learned to appreciate (truly) artists like Motherwell and the like and a whole range of hithertofore indigestible installation work which I now have something of a taste for...but my primary allegiance will definitely be toward drawing and painting, no matter how digital we go. I think the more techy we become, actually, the more appreciation we have for the simple power of basic tools like a brush and a stick of charcoal. I think I imprinted on paint. ;)

That's my sermon, and I'm sticking to it! ;):arteest:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

EAD
09-21-2005, 10:01 PM
Interesting fact for ya

>>>> I just remembered a radio program I heard about a blind guy who enjoyed visiting galleries. His favourite artist was the forementioned Rothko as he found that the vast canvases actually absorb sound in sucha way that he could pinpoint there exact position by listening out for them...

There are many who would say Rothkos stuff is best with your eyes closed anyway :)

haha :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
09-21-2005, 10:03 PM
There are many who would say Rothkos stuff is best with your eyes closed anyway :)

haha :thumbsup:
ROFL, exactly!!! :scream: You can smoke the crack better that way! :scream: *tooooootally kidding. ;)

default-rol
09-22-2005, 06:19 PM
OK, OK... Andy posted his so I'd better follow suit. Notice how he didn't submit his second drawing of the evening, LOL!

Here's my attempts anyway -

Week 1 drawing

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1049/week1image3nh.jpg

Week 2 Drawing 1 -

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7281/week2image10pp.jpg

And Drawing 2 -

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5867/week2image22lr.jpg

Well, I did my best and learned from my first week....

MIKE

Rebeccak
09-22-2005, 06:43 PM
Mike,

Some really good stuff here! I have started a review, but won't have time to finish it til later. But glad to see your work here, and hopefully I will be seeing more. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
09-22-2005, 08:30 PM
Mike,

Ok, I have jimmied up a little review here which I hope you will find useful:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Life%20Drawings/Mike_1_REVIEW.jpg

I notice that one thing which you do in your drawings is to always make the head too small. This is where using the dreaded box / cylinder technique can come in handy, as it allows you to rough in the figure's proportions simply before you go in to render / draw. The big idea is just to get the major shapes in ~ starting with the head (a cirle with some axes should do). Then you want to find the major central axis ~ from a front view, you would draw the line from the neck to the pit of the neck, down the sternum, thru the belly button, to the base of the pelvis. This establishes the general direction of the torso.

You do not have to use boxes to describe things. You can alternately use a 'peanut shape' as to describe both the upper and lower torso as a 'p' unit. :) Then, mass in the arms and legs using simple cylinders.

NOTE: You can start using this blocking in method as a sketch on the side of your paper if you're more comfortable with this approach ~ and use this as a guide when you go in to freehand draw the figure in larger scale on the better part of the paper. The box approach is just a guide to help you to see ~ you do not have to always draw this way. It is merely a method by which to learn how to simplify the major parts of the body. Drawing is, after all, a simplified represenation of the figure. It is why artists will always tell you not to copy the model, but to learn how it is constructed.

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Bentagon
09-22-2005, 09:30 PM
Here are two I did last week:

http://static.flickr.com/27/45661588_661abe1875_o.jpghttp://static.flickr.com/33/45661587_bf09c8cd22_o.jpg

- Benjamin

Rebeccak
09-22-2005, 09:49 PM
Benjamin,

Great to see your life studies as well! :thumbsup: I like the first in particular, as it looks as though your medium were charcoal, tho the effect you achieved was one of an ink wash ~ very nice! You seem to have a painterly sense of light ~ have you done figure paintings as well which you could post? We have a life painting thread:

Life Paintings - Post Your Best Paintings From Life! 2D TRADITIONAL / DIGITAL (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257532)

It would be great to see some work there! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

mimic77
09-23-2005, 03:49 AM
This is my first post at CG. Great site.

These were done with mechanical pencil and took about 20-30 min each.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/mmiroew/figure2copy.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/mmiroew/figure4copy2.jpg

Rebeccak
09-23-2005, 04:41 AM
mimic77,

Welcome to CGTalk, and to the Anatomy Forum! :) We're happy to have you aboard. :)

Wow, these are some beautiful drawings! Whom would you say are your biggest artistic influences? There are a lot of people that come to mind, but I'm interested to hear what you say. :)

I hope you will join us for our ongoing Open Figure Drawing Workshop series, in which a set of photos of nude models are posted every 2 weeks from which artists may digitally or traditionally draw, paint, or even 3D model. We are currently on the end of week 1 of:

Now OPEN!!! Open Figure Drawing Workshop with zhuzhu and Rebecca Kimmel 004 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=278425&page=1&pp=15)

and will start with a new OFDW 005 in 1 week with a new model.

Links to previous OFDWs can be found here:

Tutorials, Workshops, Anatomy Reviews & More ... [links within]\ (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525)
(see post #3)

Great work, and look forward to seeing more of it! :)

Also, may I ask, how did you find out about the Anatomy Forum? :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

default-rol
09-23-2005, 08:46 AM
Mike,

Ok, I have jimmied up a little review here which I hope you will find useful:



Of course it will be useful :thumbsup: Your reviews always are... ROFL!


I notice that one thing which you do in your drawings is to always make the head too small.


Yeah - I notice that too, Freudian perhaps?... (or the fact that I can't draw portraits too well?) :scream: :shrug:


It is why artists will always tell you not to copy the model, but to learn how it is constructed.


No artist ever has told me that in my life. Your the first... it makes perfect sense! :thumbsup: Thats why I signed up to your anatomy workshop...


Hope this helps. :)

Cheers, :)





Sure did - Cheers RK. I said it once and I'll say it again - YOUR A STAR! :D :love:

PixelColada
09-23-2005, 10:10 AM
Here are my first posts to this forum.

There's watercolor, ink wash and toned paper. I'm trying to shake off some rust. They're all between 5 to 10 mins each. Some are from class, some are from open workshops.

http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_01.png
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_02.png
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_03.png
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_04.png
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_05.png
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_06.png
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_07.png
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_08.png

I hope I haven't posted too many. If I have, I will delete some of them.

Bentagon
09-23-2005, 10:12 AM
Benjamin,

Great to see your life studies as well! :thumbsup: I like the first in particular, as it looks as though your medium were charcoal, tho the effect you achieved was one of an ink wash ~ very nice! You seem to have a painterly sense of light ~ have you done figure paintings as well which you could post? We have a life painting thread:

Life Paintings - Post Your Best Paintings From Life! 2D TRADITIONAL / DIGITAL (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257532)

It would be great to see some work there! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak


Thanks rebecca! I basically used a technique I learnt at the Place Du Tertre in Paris. One of my friends let someone draw her, and he constantly rubbed his carchoal out with his thumb. So now that I was starting lifedrawingclass again (after having to drop out halfway last year) I thought I could try it out, and I really like the effect I achieved. No paintings yet, though, since I'm only in the first year of lifedrawing class, and we won't be painting until may/june...

And about It is why artists will always tell you not to copy the model, but to learn how it is constructed. Noone has ever told me that eather. Only in books and internet notes. That's really something I don't like about the lifedrawing class I'm in now. They want the first year just to draw what they see, not what they think is there. Probably to make the shift to the right part of the brain. But I'm past that, mostly, and really want to learn as much about anatomy as possible. Unfortunately, I'll have to do with those books and notes, and apply that to class myself.

thanks again

- Benjamin

mimic77
09-23-2005, 12:20 PM
This was done with purple prisma with a touch of micron marker.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/mmiroew/figure092205copy.jpg

Rebeccak
09-23-2005, 12:45 PM
Mike,

Just saw your post. :) Funnily, your posts always show up later than others, I don't know why...but anyway, thanks so much for your comments ~ it's funny how we alternately abuse and praise one another, I think I shall start calling you 'bro'. :scream: Great to see your work here, and do hope to see more. ;)

Benjamin,

You're totally welcome, and thanks for sharing those thoughts! It is sometimes hard to get the classes that you want, but you are lucky in that the internet has such a vast array of resources, which were not as readily available to me in the stone age when I was in school, lol!

Great to have you on the forum. :)

PixelColada / Scheff,

Hey, it's GREAT to have you on the Forum! Thanks for posting these fantastic drawings, it's just great to see!

Your website is amazing, and you are truly a pro. I have to ask, since I see Art Center style everywhere apparent, especially in your drawings, and, lol, you have a painting on your website of that crazy guy Earl, who is so prevalent in movies, videos, and drawing workshops across Southern California ~ did you go to Art Center? I'm nearly certain the answer is 'yes', but couldn't find details on your website (too lazy to wait for PDFs I guess, lol!) :)

At any rate, no, you have not posted too many drawings, I would encourage you to post as many as you like! It's great to see work of this quality, and the calligraphic Harry Carmean style charcoal drawing is so refreshing to see. I love his work and nearly worship his drawing style...amazing stuff. :)

At any rate, I hope you will post some of your other work on the appropriate threads here as well! Some of them are not as frequented as others, and less frequented threads disappear, but are still on the server.

You merely need to show ALL threads by doing the following at the bottom of the Anatomy Forum:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Life%20Drawings/sort-order-threads.jpg

Definitely hope to see more of your work! And, if you would be interested in doing any tutorials, I think many people here would find them extremely useful. :)

Also, I hope you will consider taking part in our Open Figure Drawing Workshop series ~ check out our current OFDW 004 here:

Now OPEN!!! Open Figure Drawing Workshop with zhuzhu and Rebecca Kimmel 004 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=278425)

Tutorials, Workshops, Anatomy Reviews & More ... [links within] (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=273525)


Links to Open Figure Drawing Workshops can be found in post #3 in the above link.

Basically, the Open Figure Drawing Workshops (or OFDWs for short) are 2 week long workshops in which photos of nude models are posted as reference for digital or traditional drawing or painting. I usually provide some feedback, and you get to see how a number of other artists interpret the figure.

There has been some really cool work posted! Definitely check out OFDWs 001, 002, and 003 if you get the chance. :)

OFDW 004 has been in session for 1 week. It has another week to go.

Feel free to participate in this or any OFDW. Even though a new OFDW kicks off every 2 weeks, people are free to post on any OFDW for as long as they want...though most people move on the most recent OFDW.


Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

EAD
09-23-2005, 12:45 PM
mimic77:thumbsup:

I just had to jump in here to say that i really admire your drawing style.... very dynamic...tremendous work!

(Im guessing the second pose was photo reference.............. If my life model tried to hold that pose I think she'd probably end up in hospital..! lol, she usually finds it hard to stand for 5 mins)

NiCE.. keep it up.:)

default-rol
09-23-2005, 01:46 PM
Andy(onahill)

Totally agree with our model being poor to say the least. I think gravity is a factor if she stays in one position for too long. She manages to change shape even if her skeletal system doesn't - I think it is popularly known as "sag!" ROFL!!

MIKE

Rebeccak
09-23-2005, 01:50 PM
Mike,

Aww, now, no need to bash the models. ;) But I agree, having a good model is half the battle...at the University I used to attend, we had perhaps the same woman??!! whose range of poses basically consisted of *mreh* turn to the left *mreh* turn to the right...it wasn't very inspiring, to say the least! :rolleyes: :D :scream: ~But, still, I always found that it was easier to draw heftier women (vs. heftier men or skinny women) because it was not hard to find round forms ~ seriously! So...there is a silver lining... :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

PixelColada
09-23-2005, 05:56 PM
Hi Rebecca,

Yes I did go to Art Center, ILLU 94. I also went to Associates and studied with Mark Westermoe and Alan Hunter.

I'm very flattered that you've asked me to post a tutorial. I teach part time at the Art Institute of Las Vegas and last night was my last class of the quarter. I'm currently taking a quarter off and debating about returning. I'd love to do a quick tutorial. I'll think about what I want to post. Do I just post it, or do you want to approve it?

Thanks again for the kind words. I'm glad you noticed that I was trying to lean more towards Harry rather than Steve. Although the ink wash stuff is straight from Vern.

Sheff

BTW, just call me Sheff. I would have gone with Sheff, but some other guy on this forum has the name already.

Rebeccak
09-23-2005, 06:06 PM
Sheff,

Ha! I knew it. :) You and I probably just missed each other. I started school not too long after you graduated...so we probably had many of the same teachers. I was so fortunate to catch Carmean's very last class. Richard Keyes, my Color Theory professor with whom I remain friends, was kind enough to allow me to audit Carmean's class when I discovered it would be his last. Richard is another of those Art Center legends whose name may not be as known, but who comprise the core of the Art Center philosophy and discipline.

I am thrilled that you would like to do a tutorial! All you need to do is to create a New Thread, using the button at the top of the screen on the Anatomy Forum, once you have everything ready. :) I like to keep a naming convention for Tutorials so that people can find them by searching. Generally, the convention is to call it: TUTORIAL - (your tutorial title) - by Scheff (or your real name). That's it! :) No need for my approval, but should you have any questions, by all means PM me or send me an email at: rebeccak4@gmail.com.

The one class I took at Associates was with Steve, which had a profound impact on my understanding of figure construction. I never had Westermoe, though his work was amazing ~ he went to Stanford, didn't he? ~which I always found surprising.

Take your time with the Tutorial ~ there is no rush. :) When you are ready, go ahead and post it, and I will advertise it on the other Forums. People are usually quite appreciative.

Thanks for your comments, and I look forward to your continued involvement with the Anatomy Forum! If you have any ideas or suggestions for how to improve things around here, please let me know. :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

urgaffel
09-23-2005, 08:24 PM
Hey all you talented artists you

These images are from my first and second lifedrawing sessions at the VFS Intensive Drawing Workshop. Er... I'll just go ahead and post them images then...

First two are from my first lifedrawing session ever, done with conte (I think it's spelled that way...) and they're all 1-15 minute poses (I think)

http://www.urgaffel.com/lifedrawing/images/05b.jpghttp://www.urgaffel.com/lifedrawing/images/07.jpg

Second set is from the second class, graphite pencil.

http://www.urgaffel.com/lifedrawing/images/08.jpg http://www.urgaffel.com/lifedrawing/images/09.jpg
http://www.urgaffel.com/lifedrawing/images/11.jpghttp://www.urgaffel.com/lifedrawing/images/12.jpg

Amazing work posted in this thread... I hope I can be half as good when the course ends :)

electricsketchbook
09-23-2005, 08:25 PM
HEY SHEFF,

Nice to see you here buddy. I think people will love any tutorial you have to put up. Perhaps something like the image you sent me of Clint Eastwood, I forgot how you did that one. Or one of your gouache images would be cool too. I gave ACCD a call today to see if they would be interested in having me come back. Called Laguna too but I'm not so sure if I want to go back there (more of a money issue there.)

Anyway bro, niced work as always dude and give my best to the bun and oven. :scream:

Kyle

Rebeccak
09-23-2005, 08:28 PM
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Peter!!! :bounce::bounce::bounce:

Happy to see your work here after hoping you would post! :thumbsup: Am currently working on a review of yours, hope to have it done by today or tomorrow. :) You know, I'm not kidding you, I can see an improvement from your first set of drawings (reddish conte) to your second set (charcoal, it looks like, or a darker conte). :thumbsup: Drawing is all about incremental improvment, and I know you will definitely improve as you work through your course. I should sometime post my earliest figure drawings, which will make you laugh so hard you will get a six~pack! :scream:

Great stuff, and I'm thrilled you've posted your work! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

urgaffel
09-23-2005, 08:42 PM
Thanks Rebecca :bounce: I could really do with a sixpack, so please, post them old drawings up ;) I'm really looking forward to the review but don't stress yourself out, I've got all the time in the world... Sort of... :)

Sorry about the quality of the images, they are snapshots taken with my cellphone and then tweaked in PS so the end result is far from optimal... One day I will be able to scan at least some of them (or take better pictures) but for now the cellphone will have to do... Sorry!

Rebeccak
09-23-2005, 08:47 PM
Peter,

No worries, lol, back in the pre~dawn days of civilization when there were no such things as digital cameras, I took PLENTY of expensive to develop pictures of blurry fuzz, which, if held at a distance and squinted at, could conceivably be made out to be images, lol! :scream: It's not the picture that matters, anyway. :)

Cheers! :)

~Rebeccak

PixelColada
09-24-2005, 12:09 AM
http://www.sheff.com/portfolio/albums/Illustrations/Sheff_ClintEastwood.jpg

Hey Kyle,

Here's that Clint Eastwood. I did this basically as a graphite drawing with photoshop multiply. I can't remember exactly how I painted it as I painted it 3 times for my classes and did it slightly differently each time.

At any rate, it was just photoshop multiply over established values. I'm sure there are better demos on here than one I could do.

I posted one on turp and prisma. Here is the link (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=279901)

mimic77
09-24-2005, 02:58 AM
Again thanks for hosting this site...I have never presented or hung any pictures before and the comments have been helpful.

I have never taken a drawing class...I started something I stopped doing 20 years ago. Every lunch hour I sit at a coffeshop and pick a someone to draw. I go to open figure sessions at Cleveland Inst. Art and my wife has to regretfully sit for me every onece in a while.

To Rebecca's question my biggest influence(s) is J.S.Sargent by far and DaVinci.

Rebeccak
09-24-2005, 03:04 AM
Sheff,

That is a great image! Thanks for posting it! :cool:

mimic77,

Never taken any drawing classes? :applause: That is incredible to me...your drawings definitely have a wonderful, trained quality, but not in the sense that they are stiff ~ just confident, and highly expressive. It's great to see, and I'm thrilled you are showing your work to us! :)

Hope to see more...it's great to have you aboard. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

urgaffel
09-25-2005, 02:00 AM
Just posting these, a two of the last (out of 12) 30 second sketches we did today:

http://www.urgaffel.com/lifedrawing/images/16.jpg

And a quick gesture drawing with some contours:

http://www.urgaffel.com/lifedrawing/images/15.jpg

Sheff, amazing Clint Eastwood picture. And thank you for the tutorial you wrote, makes me want to try the technique immediately :)

Rebeccak
09-25-2005, 02:05 AM
Peter,

I particularly like those top two...it's really interesting how much more considered and confident these feel when compared to your very first posts...can you tell us about your classes' teaching methods and approach? Of course, all classes are different, so it is always interesting to hear what techniques are being used. The bottom figure has some funniness, but the linework is quite nice...it's considered, and look like you were really taking your time and looking. Nice stuff...keep posting! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

urgaffel
09-25-2005, 04:08 AM
Usually we start with quick 30 second gesture drawings to loosen up, just try to nail the attitude and feel of the pose, the general volumes. No fancy work, we're barely allowed to look at the paper :) We've had two teachers so far and they both hammer in the importance of shapes, about being able to see and to break up the organic/non-organic form into shapes so you get the proportions and perspective right. Adding in the main shadows or gesture in the shadows is another exercise we do as well as contours. After we've got all that down (doesn't have to be fancy, just enough to guide you) we can spend time to detail it (if we have that much time) and if you've done it properly (and know your anatomy) you don't really need the model anymore, you could theoretically finish it off yourself :)

The female teacher (Lil) is the one we've had the last two times and she's very good at illustrating how you can find the arcs, the lines of action and how important it is to do proper contours with warying line weight to give your illustrations a more 3-dimensional feel. The bottom one I posted was one of the gesture shadow drawings with contours to add a more solid feel to the drawing we did.

The top two were supposed to be 30 second head studies but since he (the model) was facing away from me I added in the shoulders and the top of the torso too and they turned out real nice if I may say so myself :blush::)

I can't remember everything they say during class but the stuff about shapes is the one most repeated so that one has really stuck ;)

Rebeccak
09-25-2005, 04:23 PM
Peter,

Thanks for that explanation, it is always interesting to hear about different teaching techniques. :) I'm sure you will continue to do well in your class...looking forward to those updates. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

PixelColada
09-27-2005, 06:47 AM
urgaffel - here's an easy tip. Get comfortable with controlling the scale of your drawings. You can get a lot more done if you draw smaller.

Also the more abstract the shapes of your light and dark pattern are, the more realistic your drawings will look. The more you can work abstractly, the faster you will get.

These are all less than 2 min.

http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_09.jpg
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_10.jpg
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_11.jpg
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/Sheff_SU_2005_12.jpg
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_13.jpg
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_SU_2005_14.jpg

The main thing I pay attention to on short poses is where the light meets shadow and how those shapes interact.

Rebeccak
09-27-2005, 07:01 AM
WOW...:eek:

Great stuff!!! Keep it comin', Sheff! :thumbsup:

~Rebeccak

urgaffel
09-27-2005, 10:25 AM
urgaffel - here's an easy tip. Get comfortable with controlling the scale of your drawings. You can get a lot more done if you draw smaller.

Also the more abstract the shapes of your light and dark pattern are, the more realistic your drawings will look. The more you can work abstractly, the faster you will get.

The main thing I pay attention to on short poses is where the light meets shadow and how those shapes interact.

Wow, those are really good... But I expect no less from you :) As for the size of the drawings, we're being told to utilize the whole page not just a part of it. The 30 second headstudies (if you can call them that) I did I made small so I squeezed in 12 on one page and that was a lot more comfortable for me. I guess it's good to work large to get more confident but it does feel good to do small doodles too :)

I think I'm still stuck on that trying-to-re-create-what-my-mind-says-is-there-mode instead of just looking at the general shapes of light and shadow and going the more abstract way. I guess it will come with practice though. I will however try to think of it when we have our next session tomorrow. I've always been a detail freak and I guess I'm a bit of a symmetry freak too so letting go of that and go the more abstract route is difficult :) Your points are very good though so I will try to keep them in mind and work towards that!

Thanks for taking the time and point me in the right direction :)

PixelColada
09-27-2005, 03:59 PM
urgaffel - There are two reasons to work large. One is to improve your composition. By using the whole page you have to decide how the figure is going to exist in that enviroment. Two, you want to start using the arc of your elbow rather than the your wrist in making longer more graceful lines.

Look at it this way, fashion models are usually tall so that clothing can hang gracefully off of their bodies. They wear high heels and grow their fingernails to add length to their limbs. You need length to be graceful. It's difficult to create a sense of flow in small or short space.

With regard to symmetry, try to find it in a spouse more so than in a model. That's why Shannon Doherty can't hold on to a man because she has one eye higher than the other.

I am a detail freak as well, but ask yourself this; Is the detail you're seeing important to the drawing? If you can nail the pose in a few lines, then you can do only the detail that is important to you or to expressing the idea of the pose. Part of being an artist is making decisions about what to leave out as much as what to put in.

Your anatomical knowledge comes into play when you draw what you know but cannot see. Draw upon that knowledge to improve your design when necessary. Look for places where you don't need detail because the viewers mind will fill in the gaps. Understanding anatomy is vital so you know where you can take your short cuts.

Good Luck,

urgaffel
09-27-2005, 10:28 PM
With regard to symmetry, try to find it in a spouse more so than in a model. That's why Shannon Doherty can't hold on to a man because she has one eye higher than the other.

LOL

I'll try to keep your thoughts in mind. As for knowing what details to leave out and what to put on paper, I have a feeling that it will come with practice. Which is precisely what I will be doing in a couple of minutes. Taking my sketchbook and heading downtown to a cafe or a bench or something to draw people :) Hopefully I will be better able to sort out the important details from the fluff if I just practice more. Same goes for anatomy. I have a basic understanding of it but it's nothing that can't be improved with more practice. I'll post up more drawings when I have something to show :)

Thanks for taking the time to help me!

InterFacer
09-28-2005, 05:58 AM
Hey all, my first decent contribution to these forums! Here are some recent (Within the last two weeks) drawings of mine from a figure drawing class that i have 2x a week (3 hour sessions). Any crits/draw overs/rediculous tearing down of work is appreciated :) Trying to make it into art school so i need the crits!


http://interface-media.biz/figure_drawing/figure15.jpg
Various chalk pastels - 20 minutes
http://interface-media.biz/figure_drawing/figure8.jpg
Various Chalk pastels - 20 minutes

http://interface-media.biz/figure_drawing/figure7.jpg
Various Chalk pastels - 20 minutes

http://interface-media.biz/figure_drawing/figure10.jpg
Charcoal - 10 minutes


http://interface-media.biz/figure_drawing/figure11.jpg
Reddish Brown Chalk pastel - 5 Min

Hope you guys enjoy! Thanks for taking a look. If you'd like i'll post more every week. is there a limit to the number of drawings i can have in this thread?

--- btw, take a look at all the drawings @ http://interface-media.biz/figure_drawing - some are good, some bad...but overall thats a decent sample of my figurative work w/in the last year.

Rebeccak
09-28-2005, 06:17 AM
InterFacer,

Wow, these are quite impressive! I'm happy to see you post your work here, and I hope you will be posting more as you progress in your anatomy studies. :)

If you are going to be consistently adding new work, you are free to create your own thread with the naming convention, Anatomy Thread of InterFacer. I wouldn't do this if you won't be often adding new work, but if you would people to track consistent progress, this might be a useful way to keep yourself accountable.

Your last 4 pieces are very impressive, and particularly the third piece, which has a wonderful tactile quality to it which is quite appealing. Some very nice work!

I tried to access your site but the connection timed out. Not sure if this is just me, though.

Looking forward to seeing more of your work! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

PixelColada
09-28-2005, 03:18 PM
I like the charcoal one the best. The main reason being it feels like a complete idea. My pet peeve among students is no heads or no faces. So I make them work from top to bottom. When you work top to bottom and run out of time, it will still feel finished as opposed to working from bottom to top and not finishing the head.

Most people deal with the head last or not at all. I read somewhere that if you draw what you fear, you will cease to fear it. So approach the head with the same gusto that you approach the rest of the body and get that out of the way first, unless you're in a position where you can't see it.

The modelling on your second and third ones are good. I think the first one is a little contrasty in the lower back. Squint your eyes when drawing to check your values.

Other than that, keep going.

Good Luck,

pushav
09-28-2005, 03:48 PM
PixelColada- what type of pencils and paper do you use for your life drawings?

They look cool.

PixelColada
09-28-2005, 04:52 PM
I used to use Ritmo 3b charcoal on smooth newsprint but they don't make them anymore.

Now I use general's 6b charcoal because it's provided by the school. For a while I had been drawing on smooth newsprint because you can get even values and your strokes blend together well. The current pad I am using is a rougher tooth newsprint because that's all the school gives me to work with. It's okay. I'm also trying to change my drawing style a bit and the rough stuff lends to that. The biggie pad is the rough stuff. If you want a smooth drawing buy smooth newsprint. Blick and Seth Cole are smooth. This change alone makes a world of difference.

For toned paper I'm using general's white charcoal and for the colors I'm using carbothello's. The darker one is carbothello #10 which they don't make anymore and #75 which you should still be able to find.

With the pencils though it's more about sharpening technique rather than the pencil itself. I sharpen it to a point that is about 1/4 inch and I expose a lot of the wood. This enables me to get the lead closer to the paper in the way that I like hold the pencil which is more like a chalk grip rather than writing pen grip.

The toned papers are the smooth side of canson or mi tiene.

Some of these materials I bought so long ago that I can barely remember if that's correct. It's sad because I tell students what to buy and find out these things aren't made anymore.

http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/tutorials/Sheff_Supplies_02_resize.JPG

http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/tutorials/Sheff_Supplies_01_resize.JPG

pushav
09-28-2005, 05:09 PM
Lol.

We used to use smooth newsprint and charcoal sticks. I have some generals charcoal pencils also a 4d and a 6b and a white charcoal pencil by genearal (i think it sucks). There is a trick to shapen the charcoal pencils by shapening a normal wooden pencil in the sharpener first then sharpen the charcoal pencil right after that.
I should start using a knife to sharpen those pencils.

That reminds me to get some newsprint. Good thing that I can get a large pad for like $4.90.

Thanks a lot.

PixelColada
09-28-2005, 05:22 PM
Olfa knives are the best. The kind with the breakaway blades is very convenient. I get those type of knives at Harbor Freight Tools or Home Depot for $1.99. Olfa brand at the art store is like $6 or $7 for the same type of knife. They also have a folding knife that is on sale for $2.99 that uses ordinary box cutter blades. I try and do as much shopping at Home Depot before I go to the art store.

I like the generals white charcoal better than white conte or white prisma. Mainly I don't like the waxyness of them when drawing. I don't mind white prisma on toned paper.

I don't sharpen charcoal pencils in a sharpener because the torque has a tendency to break softer leads. Although I just tried it in an electric pencil sharpener and you're right, that would save time. The crank type sharpener in our classroom fell off the wall an no one knows how to fix it.

The only type of charcoal that I despise is vine. I'm not a big fan of Nupastels or dry pastels in general, mainly because of the feel. I do like oil pastels for doing a lay in sketch before painting.

pushav
09-28-2005, 07:21 PM
Olfa knives are the best. The kind with the breakaway blades is very convenient. I get those type of knives at Harbor Freight Tools or Home Depot for $1.99. Olfa brand at the art store is like $6 or $7 for the same type of knife. They also have a folding knife that is on sale for $2.99 that uses ordinary box cutter blades. I try and do as much shopping at Home Depot before I go to the art store.

I like the generals white charcoal better than white conte or white prisma. Mainly I don't like the waxyness of them when drawing. I don't mind white prisma on toned paper.

I don't sharpen charcoal pencils in a sharpener because the torque has a tendency to break softer leads. Although I just tried it in an electric pencil sharpener and you're right, that would save time. The crank type sharpener in our classroom fell off the wall an no one knows how to fix it.

The only type of charcoal that I despise is vine. I'm not a big fan of Nupastels or dry pastels in general, mainly because of the feel. I do like oil pastels for doing a lay in sketch before painting.

Lol. It was a trick that my art professor taught us. The lead from the number 2 pencil will act as a lubricant so the dry and soft charcoal lead will not break off on thoose gears/blade grinders that pencil shapeners use. Or if you are scared and do not want to fully shapen it, you can partially shapen the pencil and then use what i like to call the gesture grip what some call it the brush grip or shading grip, and then take a new sheet of paper and make multiple broad strokes strokes while rotating the chacoal pencil until you get a fine tip. I do this whenever I want a sharp sandford design ebony pencil.

Glad to know that you learned something new from me. Time saver I agree.:thumbsup:

I think that people abuse the crank shapener by pushing the pencil too hard in when they sharpen. I would admit that they are some of the better shapeners out there. I have one in my basement for like 15 years now and it works fine.

InterFacer
09-29-2005, 12:35 AM
thank you for the crits about the unfinished ideas. that makes alot of sense. would you suggest trying to incorporate less of the entire figure and add the face, or just stick with the general proportion of the charcoal one?

we only get 20 minutes, and i may not be fast enough yet to do the figure + the face. but working from top to bottom makes sense. I'll start with a rough outline or blocked in mass, then move to the face and work down. Thank you :)

PixelColada
09-29-2005, 01:04 AM
No problem. What I would do is get a sense of your own speed. When you have a feel for what you can get done in a given amount of time, you can focus your efforts. Always try to make a drawing feel 'complete', not 'done because time ran out.' For my students, I play music to time the pose, so students can hear when the pose will finish and then go for those last details.

InterFacer - If you have only enough time to do just the head, then don't bother with the rest of the figure. Also if you adjust the size you work at, you can adjust how much you can get done.

Regarding the face, at least try to put in the shadow shapes on the face. Don't worry about details of the features, go back to that when you finish the rest of the body. This will help your drawing feel more 'done.' It doesn't take much to express the idea of a head.

Basically have a strategy for what you want to tackle and in what order. You might go for gesture first, then proportion, then shadow shapes, then fill in the shadow shapes at the end of the pose. Before the pose ends, take a mental picture of the model so you can finish up detail that you didn't get to. When you're comforatable with your drawing, change the order of how you want to work.

I would try to eliminate putting unnecessary effort into areas of a pose that are 'boring' to you. Find what you like, or rather find what the 'pose' is about and just capture that. As long as you can wrap your head around an idea of the pose, you will be better off than the kids who are just trying to copy accurately. Stand apart from your classmates by trying to 'say something' in your drawing. For example, if the model looks sad, make the drawing about sadness. Make the lines reflect the emotion. There is nothing more boring than a technically good drawing that has a complete lack of feeling.

20 minutes for me is an ideal length of time. I prefer 10 minutes better because I tend to get the drawing pretty much done in 10 minutes and in the last 10 minutes if I keep working, I tend to ruin a good drawing.

I've got my students emulating my bad habits. It seems like they are comfortable at 10 minutes as well.

Anything over 20 minutes, I prefer to be painting.

urgaffel
09-30-2005, 09:38 AM
Just wanted to chime in and say that I've done things properly. Started a proper thread for my lifedrawings, located here: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=281037

Thank you for your advice and help, I'll try to remember them (I'm bad at remembering stuff :sad: )

AstroRobyn
09-30-2005, 03:20 PM
This forum is great! It's really entertaining to see the widely diverse variety of how people draw the human form, and the models they are drawing themselves. I only wish I could ost a few of my own, but alas I left them at home once I left for college. Now that I'm here I should hopefully be able to post some soon. If not there's always until NOvember when I can get back to scan my old stuff. Everyone's work is looking great! I can't wait to see more.

Rebeccak
09-30-2005, 03:29 PM
AstroRobyn,

Welcome to the forum! Hope to see your work soon. Feel free to offer comments on anyone's work here. People appreciate the feedback, especially constructive criticism. Hope you will become an active part of the Anatomy Forum! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

jinnseng
10-01-2005, 12:43 AM
A few pieces from my Life Drawing I class. We had about 40 minutes for these. We're all newbs. It's charcoal on charcoal drawing paper.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/lt1.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/lt2.jpg

Rebeccak
10-01-2005, 05:28 PM
jinnseng,

Great to see your new work! :) I particularly like the lower half of your first drawing, I think you were a bit timid toward the top of the figure, then found your confidence and really drew quite nicely toward the bottom. The key to gaining confidence with the whole figure is to do Master Copies and copies of Anatomical Reference. Artists of the past were not allowed to draw before a live model before completing cast studies. I think the reason is so that they would have an idea of WHAT they were looking at before being expected to draw from life in a short time frame. Art schools these days have for the most part done away with cast drawing, but with the internet, there really is the opportunity to draw from still reference.

This is not to downplay at all the importance of drawing from life. It's vital, but the bit to keep in mind is that when you are drawing the figure, you want to have an idea of what the figure will look like, instead of slavishly copying the model. Developing this idea, or archtype, of a human form is developed through master copies and copies of anatomy reference works. That in conjunction with life drawing will teach you how to draw.

Good to see your work, and I hope to see more! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

umbrellasky
10-01-2005, 08:52 PM
cool sketches everyone!

I have a question hopefully someone could answer :D I've noticed that quite a lot of people sharpen their pencils with a knife rather than a pencil sharpener, just wondering what the difference is?

Thanks, keep up the amazing work!!

Rebeccak
10-01-2005, 09:04 PM
enialadam,

I think Sheff put it best:

With the pencils though it's more about sharpening technique rather than the pencil itself. I sharpen it to a point that is about 1/4 inch and I expose a lot of the wood. This enables me to get the lead closer to the paper in the way that I like hold the pencil which is more like a chalk grip rather than writing pen grip.

Here is a shot of the basic drawing / sharpening materials they taught us to use at Art Center:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop/tools_of_trade.jpg

This is pretty similar to what Sheff does, I think ~ I use an exacto blade to do what Sheff described, which is to expose a decent bit of charcoal, then I sand the charcoal gently on sandpaper (you can buy pencil sanding pads in any art store, they have a light blue paper cover) that is set on a flat surface, holding the pencil gently at ~30 degree angle. I usually put a paper towel under the sanding pad, as you will create a lot of charcoal dust. I try to do this in my kitchen, as spilling the dust on my carpet would be pretty disastrous. :eek: I usually sharpen several pencils at a time, as they wear down, and sometimes break.

It sounds dumb, but sharpening charcoal pencils this way actually takes some practice. I still regularly break the tip, which is endlessly frustrating, as here pencils cost about a dollar each. You can get pencil extenders, which are basically holders for pencils that are very short. This will save you some money in the long~run, as you will be able to use your shorty pencils for longer. :)

Here is an example of what the pencil should look like in the end (also see Sheff's pictures in this thread) ~ just ignore the stupid text, this shot was taken for the Anatomy Review 001, and there was some silly context for it ;) :

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop/pencil_ooh_yeah.jpg

Sheff's picture:

http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/tutorials/Sheff_Supplies_01_resize.JPG

Any questions, feel free to ask. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

umbrellasky
10-02-2005, 01:48 PM
Thanks Rebecca! :D I will have to give that a try.

gedomenas
10-04-2005, 05:43 PM
Here's one i've done
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8111/darbai32mb.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 06:01 PM
imperioli,

Welcome to the forum! :) Very solid, beautiful work here! Can you tell us a bit about your background and training? Is this a style that your school teaches, or one which you have developed independently? Great to see your work here, and hope to see more! Do you do / have you done Life Paintings?

If so, please feel free to post them here:

Life Paintings - Post Your Best Paintings From Life! 2D TRADITIONAL / DIGITAL (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257532)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

gedomenas
10-04-2005, 07:38 PM
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5360/darbai43sd.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
I'm studing in vilnius academy of fine art at the moment. First
painting was created in the begining of third years of studies. This
one in the begining of second years of studies. Now i'm studing for 5
years in fresco speciality.

Rebeccak
10-04-2005, 07:56 PM
imperioli,
Beautiful stuff! Can't wait to see more! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

shambler
10-05-2005, 04:42 AM
http://www.filefarmer.com/alexxx/sketches/nellysketch.jpg
I don't post here so often but I like coming once in a while. from a session we had.

edit: imperioli (member.php?u=173300) btw- those are AWESOME.:D

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 04:48 AM
shambler,

Hey there, nice to see you here. :) Is this marker, I take it? The study is quite nice in terms of basic planes ~ do you ever work in charcoal? Any reason you don't post very often? :)

BTW, I can't view your webpage ~ is it down?

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

lipten
10-05-2005, 08:09 AM
Finally got around to taking some photos of my life drawings, most are quick sketches from class. I believe the max is 5 minutes... Sorry for the poor quality...

There is an abundance of talent here...

What's funny is I believe I was in a class with you Rebeccak at Art Center, I think it may have been Peter Zokosky's class or Bob Kato, I can't remember... May have been Dave Limrite...

Good to see you doing good things...

http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/life_draw_01.jpg
http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/life_draw_02.jpg
http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/life_draw_03.jpg
http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/life_draw_04.jpg

Media - china marker...
Eventually I hope to do some long studies from life, just don't seem to have time though...

Rebeccak
10-05-2005, 08:12 AM
lipten,

Ok, you can't just tease me like that ~ :scream: ~ what is your real name? :)

Great drawings, by the way! :)

EDIT: Okay, I think I know who you are...Grady? :) ROFL, is it? I'm dying to know! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

gedomenas
10-05-2005, 09:13 AM
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Bentagon
10-05-2005, 04:31 PM
http://static.flickr.com/29/49692720_9041a322ed_o.jpg

30 min charcoal life drawing, which I don't really like. Mostly because I didn't like the ligthing I got, which had way too much contrast for my personal taste. But anyways, my teachers seemed to like it enough to show the rest of the class, so I figured some of you might as well.


http://static.flickr.com/25/49684717_c650849c0e_o.jpg

Big 50 min ligthing study. Imho not as good as my Rembrandt lighting study I posted about two weeks ago in that Masters thread (http://www.flickr.com/photos/50512902@N00/45604112/in/set-1078643/), but once again, my teachers really really liked it. Maybe it's got more to do with Rembrandt's skill than mine, I don't know.

- Benjamin

lipten
10-06-2005, 06:31 AM
lipten,

Ok, you can't just tease me like that ~ :scream: ~ what is your real name? :)

Great drawings, by the way! :)

EDIT: Okay, I think I know who you are...Grady? :) ROFL, is it? I'm dying to know! :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak
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How did you guess Grady.. which is correct... That is funny...

Rebeccak
10-06-2005, 04:37 PM
How did you guess Grady.. which is correct... That is funny...
I'm psychic like that. :) ROFL, check your messages. ;) Great to have you here, Grady! You should join our Open Figure Drawing Workshops here ~ we're on OFDW 005. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

weslouie
10-07-2005, 03:35 AM
About time he shows some of his figure work!

Rebeccak
10-07-2005, 03:42 AM
Wes,

LOL! Erm...et tu, Louie? :) Whence the drawings of Wes?

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

lipten
10-07-2005, 03:44 AM
Wes you just got punked... The Last thing on the planet that should happen is me and Wes being on the same forum together...

Rebeccak
10-07-2005, 03:55 AM
Yes...:) I exist to punk former ACCD'ers ~ it's the light of my existence! Well, 'lipten', you are much closer geographically to Wes ~ give 'em hell, I say! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

weslouie
10-08-2005, 11:05 PM
Wes you just got punked... The Last thing on the planet that should happen is me and Wes being on the same forum together...

Hmmm....I haven't drawn in over 3 years from a figure model. I could post old stuff though.




"The Last thing on the planet that should happen is me and Wes being on the same forum together."


Hahaah.....true, true.

Rebeccak
10-08-2005, 11:06 PM
Wes,

Hey, I don't mind if it's old work. :) I think it can be instructive for other people to see. You were quite good at this, as I remember. :) Post!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

weslouie
10-09-2005, 05:52 AM
Ok...here goes.


This first image was a charcoal drawing from Limrite's class and we had to exaggerate the entire figure in some way. I lopped the head off, elongated the body and really made the hips/thighs really large.


http://www.weslouie.com/f002.jpg

Here is a charcoal+nupastel on Canson charcoal paper. I usually use a cream colored nupastel for highlights because I don't like using pure white. I was pretty happy with it except that I rendered too much of the cloth near the bottom of the image. It was an all-day pose and the workshop was full, so I couldn't move anywhere. I think Grady was drawing next to me that day.

http://www.weslouie.com/f011.jpg

Another drawing, same technique as above:

http://www.weslouie.com/f021.jpg


This next image is a really old drawing from Zokosky's class. Prismacolor on newsprint. I liked using that particular color of Prisma because it was somewhat the same color as a sanguine pencil. This was of course a was shorter pose:

http://www.weslouie.com/f024.jpg

Charcoal on Canson paper:

http://www.weslouie.com/f016.jpg

One of those super-quick gestures from Bob Kato's class...man this is ancient:

http://www.weslouie.com/f032.jpg


That's it for now :shrug:

lipten
10-09-2005, 06:53 AM
I always liked that first one... The contrast is sweeeet! Kinda Steve Hustonesq... You need to get back to the drawing workshops... You aren't that far from ACCD... you get a pass to puch undergrads off of benches being alumni and all... (just kidding undergrads)... So just do it... Good stuff though...

Rebeccak
10-09-2005, 02:00 PM
Wes,

Awesome stuff!! Thanks for posting. :) Grady, lol, pushing undergrads off benches...now is that really so nice? :)

Ah, these take me back to the good old days... :) ~ Really beautiful work, thanks for putting it up. :)

It's a shame you don't do more of it. :)

Cheers,

~Rebecca

urgaffel
10-09-2005, 07:49 PM
Just wanted to post one of my latest pieces that I'm actually pleased with :)


http://www.urgaffel.com/lifedrawing/images/31.jpg

Done with graphite pencil(pen or pencil?)... Eh, sharpened graphite stick :) Don't know if I actually spent 30 minutes on it but that was the alloted time so I'll stick with it. Wonderful drawings and sketches posted here, makes me want to improve so much more :)

Rebeccak
10-09-2005, 08:35 PM
Peter,

I can definitely see you're improvement! It's exciting to watch...you should always save your old drawings as a reference point for how far you've come. I recommend dating them as well.

Great stuff! Look forward to seeing more. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

urgaffel
10-09-2005, 08:41 PM
Thank Rebecca :) I feel more confident that's for sure, so it has definitely not been a waste to attend this course :D

I'm sorry I haven't replied to the mail yet, it's so long that it scares me :eek:

Also, check my anatomy thread ;)

weslouie
10-09-2005, 10:46 PM
Finally got around to taking some photos of my life drawings, most are quick sketches from class. I believe the max is 5 minutes... Sorry for the poor quality...

There is an abundance of talent here...

What's funny is I believe I was in a class with you Rebeccak at Art Center, I think it may have been Peter Zokosky's class or Bob Kato, I can't remember... May have been Dave Limrite...

Good to see you doing good things...

http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/life_draw_01.jpg
http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/life_draw_02.jpg
http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/life_draw_03.jpg
http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/life_draw_04.jpg

Media - china marker...
Eventually I hope to do some long studies from life, just don't seem to have time though...


Nice work! I really like the first page and especially how the figures flow on the page. I know you have a ton of stuff laying around in your studio...because I saw it all! Take some pics and post 'em.

Rebeccak
10-10-2005, 01:24 AM
I know you have a ton of stuff laying around in your studio...because I saw it all! Take some pics and post 'em.
Well, Wes, for every challenge, there is an equal and opposite challenge. :) You got more stuff 'laying around the studio'? Post it up! :)

I personally want to see a Grady vs. Wes face~off. I've got popcorn and everything! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

weslouie
10-10-2005, 07:37 PM
Grady would win. I've been too inactive to even give him a run for his money :)


I have more stuff laying around, I'll post them from time to time!

Rebeccak
10-11-2005, 05:49 AM
Wes / Grady,

Well, crap. I'll have to throw out all that popcorn. I even printed up t~shirts: Wes vs. Grady Hoe~Down 2005. Damn.

Please post when you can. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

jrr
10-14-2005, 02:12 PM
i did this like a while ago. it's one of my favorites.

http://www.jrtistic.com/images/junk/forum/lying.jpg

Rebeccak
10-14-2005, 03:08 PM
jrr,

Really beautiful linework! I can see why you love this drawing ~ it's not everyday that the stars align, you're in the right mood, you're focused but loose, and you produce a beautiful drawing where the linework is accurately descriptive yet gestural and flowing ~ it's sort of the Holy Grail of Drawing ~ great stuff! Thanks for posting, again it's interesting to see that sort of Sargent~esque looseness / sketchiness in this piece.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

lipten
10-16-2005, 06:38 AM
Nice drawing JRR... how did you manage to have that look like there is another drawing showing through? What I think is awesome is the change of the position of hand... so many artist only want to show a "finished" drawing... I like to see the thinking... great stuff...

Pinoy McGee
10-17-2005, 02:49 AM
Here's 5 select pieces of life drawings and paintings that I have shown online so far.

With water based markers:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Flipmcgee/figure4.jpg

Model heavy with child:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Flipmcgee/figure3.jpg


Reflection off mirror behind model:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Flipmcgee/04.jpg

From oils workshop (again with the mirror reflection):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Flipmcgee/nude04.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Flipmcgee/nude03.jpg

Rebeccak
10-17-2005, 03:07 AM
Pinoy McGee,

Nice studies, particularly the one of the model and the reflection. :) *deleted to avoid embarrassment!* :scream:

In the last two pieces, the lower limbs seem rather short. I think you were trying to fit the models onto the page and midgetized them as a result. :) This is a pretty common occurence, trust me, I have plenty of midget drawings myself of people who in real life are of full height. :)

Good to see these!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

urgaffel
10-17-2005, 09:37 AM
It's Puss in Boots from Shrek 2! Shame on you for not reconiz'in da cat ;)

jrr
10-17-2005, 11:50 PM
Nice drawing JRR... how did you manage to have that look like there is another drawing showing through? What I think is awesome is the change of the position of hand.

the other drawing is the back of the paper. it's cheap paper. sometimes when i draw it's better to have confident lines than accurate lines. when i do these types of drawings they're usually close enough. the model moved her arm mid pose and rather than go ape, i just drew it over again. sometimes that works, other times it doesn't.

lipten
10-20-2005, 07:46 AM
http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/life_draw_09_s.jpg

2 Minute drawings.. China Marker

http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/life_draw_10_s.jpg

More 2 minute drawings china marker

http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/life_draw_11_s.jpg

20 Minute Prisma color... My photos are the greatest, but the last prismacolor drawing is all linework, and trying to define form, following the shapes and wrapping the forms based on the anatomical structure of the human form... it isn't easy, and you make ALot of mistakes!

Rebeccak
10-20-2005, 10:54 AM
Grady,

Great to see more of your work!! I especially like that last piece, which to me looks like a nice combination of Jeff Smith's influence and the classical Art Center approach. Nice work! :)

But...donde esta Wes? :scream:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

weslouie
10-26-2005, 11:14 PM
Nice drawings, everybody. No time to post anything. I'm going to be in Maryland until Monday, so maybe I'll post something when I get back :)

Rebeccak
10-26-2005, 11:36 PM
Wes,

Hey, you should give me a ring ~ I'm in VA, not so far from MD. What are you doing on the East Coast? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

jrr
10-29-2005, 05:50 AM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/photoshopmonkey3/parsonsgirl2.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/photoshopmonkey3/parsonsfatty.jpg

two more life drawings done recently. i think they were 10 minute poses.

Rebeccak
10-29-2005, 04:36 PM
jrr,

I had a great teacher out at Art Center, Bob Kato. He runs a Drawing Workshop in Los Angeles called the Drawing Club (www.thedrawingclub.com). You should check out the website, www.thedrawingclub.com. I think you might really like the style of work which people do in Bob's Workshops.

I particularly like your last piece! It's what made me think of Kato's Workshops. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

PixelColada
10-30-2005, 06:59 AM
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_Workshop_Leprechaun01.png

This is from the open workshop today.

Bob's pretty cool. I never had any of his classes, but I ate breakfast with him in the cafeteria a lot.

If I lived in LA, I'd go to those workshops.

NOOB!
10-30-2005, 01:32 PM
ok guys i attended a proper life drawing clas at The Princes Drawing School here in London,i did some b4,but they where crappy school ones....whats really killing me is the fact that i can see, and i could see during the class what was wrong,what killed me even more is that because we had so little time than usual to do em.i couldn't really correct em.

I see proportions off *especially in legs* weight off,most things off,things i wouldn't usually have problems with if i was drawing normally.

life drawing is hard lol,hopefully i'll get better,i don't usaully post work i think is crap,but i care not....i had summore,but i'll post the less crappy ones thanku very much...

5 mins gestures
http://www.animationforum.net/users/noob/images/rd.jpg

20 mins lying pose
http://www.animationforum.net/users/noob/images/2.jpg

1 hr lying pose
http://www.animationforum.net/users/noob/images/3.jpg

i have this thing when i'm observant drawing too,i shade too light,need to work on that. :nohope:

i need tips on how to improve in my life drawing classes...

oh yeh...DAMN U CALVES!!!

and rebecca...u owe my a crit!!,i forgot what for,but u owe me one anyway! bwuahahaha

Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 02:04 PM
Sheff,

Great to see your work! Yeah, Bob rocks, I learned a ton from him in terms of Drawing and Painting. I once heard him described as "the Gatekeeper" ~ lol! :) I've been talking to him about potentially using images from his Workshops for the OFDWs, so we'll see if the models agree ~ ultimately, it's up to them.

NOOB,

Great to see these drawings! You know, when you actually do work, it's really nice stuff! :scream: :thumbsup:

I agree that the first set is probably just your warm~ups, but the second 2 drawings are pretty nice! I would recommend drawing the faces more gesturally ~ well, actually, the whole figure more gesturally, first. You seem quite comfortable with the bodies, then, when it comes to the faces, it seems you kind of seize up. It's understandable, putting something as complex as a face together in a short period of time + the body is difficult. But you've done a pretty nice job of getting everything down, but stylistically, the face + body just need to be more unified.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

jrr
10-30-2005, 03:09 PM
thanks for the link becca
makes me wish i lived in the other coast. we have nothing here like that.

Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 03:16 PM
I know! However, as I mentioned to Sheff, I've talked to Bob about getting permission to use his model photos for the OFDWs...we'll see how that works out. But yeah, I know, all the cool live stuff is on the left coast. ;)

Also, have you checked out Hong Ly's site, http://www.characterdesigns.com/? He has in his Photosets section some really awesome photos which he lets us use for the OFDWs. He rotates them on a weekly basis, I believe. They range from nude to clothed, some really great shots! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

pushav
10-30-2005, 03:19 PM
ok guys i attended a proper life drawing clas at The Princes Drawing School

Rofl!:D
Princess School? Lol.

It sounds funny.
Joking ok.:thumbsup:

Nice work.
I still have mine in my closet on toned paper that I did years ago but it sould be a pain to scan that huuuuuuuuuuge paper.
Why does all of the art stuff reside on the westcoast?
What about the Midwest :cry:

NOOB!
10-30-2005, 03:55 PM
Rofl!:D
Princess School? Lol.

It sounds funny.
Joking ok.:thumbsup:



no...Prince's,as in,its owned by prince charles...not princess...

pushav
10-30-2005, 07:00 PM
no...Prince's,as in,its owned by prince charles...not princess...

Oh ok you left out the " ' " to seperate the s lol.

default-rol
10-30-2005, 07:46 PM
hey all,

Here are some things I haven't been able to post recently. I didn't go to class last week, but look out for more soon! :thumbsup:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7615/week4image3headstudy8ub.jpg

and her body...

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3113/week5image2torsostudy3yj.jpg

MIKE

Rebeccak
10-30-2005, 08:07 PM
*Spritzes Mike with Anti~Tiny Head Spray* :scream: ~ Hey! I think the Tiny Head Syndrome is slowly receding! Hmmm...in the 2nd drawing, I think maybe the head may be a bit small, but I don't hear the sounds of chickens squawking, so you're definitely on the right track here! :) Just kidding you, Mike. ;) The body is drawn quite nicely, and the head shot as well. :) Legs might be a tad short on the second drawing, but your linework is pretty nice. I would suggest using a slightly lighter touch with the pencil. Sketch in the form lightly first, then go in to place emphasis where it really counts. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

pushav
10-31-2005, 01:47 AM
I threw myself a personal workshop since there are none in the midwest
30 in total .05 pentel and printer paper
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/pusha-v/lifedrawings/mixtapehonglylifedrawing.jpg

Rebeccak
10-31-2005, 01:58 AM
Nice, pushav! I think these are some of the best drawings I've seen of yours so far. :)

What was the source? Photos, or live?

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

pushav
10-31-2005, 02:17 AM
Photos 30 mins to complete.
I am surprised by my accurate drawing. I normally alter my drawings if I use a reference.

NOOB!
10-31-2005, 05:49 PM
Photos 30 mins to complete.
I am surprised by my accurate drawing. I normally alter my drawings if I use a reference.

accurate eh? lets see em photos then we can judge that :thumbsup:

daspetey
11-01-2005, 05:07 AM
hello,

i havent been to a life drawing workshop in quite a while. these drawings here are almost 2 years old.

http://www.daspetey.com/art/life01.jpg
http://www.daspetey.com/art/life02.jpg

Rebeccak
11-02-2005, 04:14 AM
daspetey,

Hey, I quite like the gestural quality of your sketches! Have you since graduated from school? Or were these done after school? Just curious. :)

Do you still do any type of figurative art?

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

daspetey
11-02-2005, 05:10 AM
rebecca,
thanks for commenting. i've said this before, but i feel it warrants repeating. thank you so much for being such a great resource for this art community. you always take the time to respond to every single person who posts in your threads, and you always give wonderful advice, and thoughtful critiques.

i've actually been out of school for quite some time now. (i think i am an old man!)
i studied painting in college, but it was a liberal arts school, not a straight-up art school.. so i didnt really get the classical art training i would have liked.

i will definitely post more soon. i think i may have a stab at your open figure drawing thread, since i dont have such easy access to live models these days.
again, i really admire all you do here. thanks for doing it =)
-pete

DoctorBone
11-02-2005, 12:59 PM
daspetey ::: well done studies ::: particularly admire the one on the right on the first page, it has a looseness and vitality life I look for in life drawings ::: I have noticed that you seem to lose some of this when you start to take your drawings to the next stage ::: it appears that you are adding detail by detail instead of working the drawing as a whole ::: the result is a lose of rhythm and energy ::: this is something we are have a problem with and one I am working on constantly.

Try to maintain the original flow and life <> when this start to deteriorate it is time to move on to another drawing

daspetey
11-02-2005, 06:03 PM
thanks doctor bone!

you are totally right! i always have such trouble taking my drawings to the next stage. what methods have you used to prevent that problem?
-pete

Rebeccak
11-02-2005, 11:04 PM
daspetey,

Thanks so much for your really nice comments! Believe me, moderating the Anat. Forum has been nothing but rewarding and fun for me, and it takes all of your guys' hard work and artistic ability to make it work! :) So I am equally appreciative of those of you who take the time to post work and comments here, and also of the folks who drop by to admire all of the great work being posted! :)

So, it's definitely my pleasure. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Vidar3d
11-03-2005, 05:19 AM
A couple of scans from the old sketchbook. These are from a life drawing class with an emphasis on application for traditional animation so the majority of the class was just 30-60 second poses....just enough to try and get the gesture. The longest the model ever sat in one pose was 5 min. Its amazing how mentally exhausting it was after a few hours. Not to mention the poor models.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/class1.jpg
http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/class2.jpg
http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/class3.jpg

Rebeccak
11-04-2005, 02:51 AM
Vidar3d,

Nice to see these sketches! :) I particularly like the last one, which is nicely loose / gestural, and in which you have described the volume of the leg particularly well.

The middle two figures lack more of a lower torso. Try to think of the upper torso (the ribcage / chest) as a ball, and the lower torso (the pelvis / buttocks) as another, with a slightly indented area in between, creating a peanut shape.

Thanks for posting! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Vidar3d
11-04-2005, 05:06 PM
Thanks for the crit! You are right about the volume on those lower torsos. I'll have to be sure and pay more attention.

You are doing an amazing job moderating this forum. Your dedication to helping out the community is inspiring. Keep it up :thumbsup:

Rebeccak
11-04-2005, 05:52 PM
Vidar3d,

You're welcome! Thanks ~ :) ~ I appreciate the encouragement! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

PixelColada
11-07-2005, 08:12 AM
All done with a .05 pencil on 11 x 14 sketch pad.

http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_Workshop_PinkDress01.png

http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_Workshop_PinkDress02.png

Maybe I should put the stump away...kinda starting to like hatch again...

Rebeccak
11-07-2005, 11:15 PM
Sheff,

I'm really diggin' that first sketch on the upper left of your first page especially ~ has a real old school confidence in the line and tone work which I find refreshing to see! I'd like to see more of your charcoal / tone drawings ~ I think those are really cool also. Also I'm just a sucker for these kinds of drawings ~ chalk it up to years of doing them. ;)

Thanks for posting this cool work! :cool:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

PixelColada
11-07-2005, 11:59 PM
Thanks Rebecca, that one is my favorite too. The original is actually much smaller but it was the only one from that paget that I liked so I blew it up more.

Hopefully soon I will start my own anatomy thread and start posting big charcoal there. I'm actually trying to move away from tone and move back towards rhthymic(sp) lines more. It's just that I'm getting too varied in my values and not focusing enough on simpler shapes.

Laters,

Rebeccak
11-08-2005, 12:02 AM
Sheff,

Hey, now that will be cool to see! Your own Anatomy Thread ~ schweet! :thumbsup:

Looking forward to it! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SurfGod69a
11-10-2005, 08:03 AM
Quick Gesture from class..
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d160/DavidArt20/Sit2Up.jpg

Rebeccak
11-10-2005, 09:31 AM
SurfGod69a,

Great to see you back! This is a really nice drawing ~ I like the structural breakdown approach you've got going, and the stylization of the figure. It would be great to see more drawings like these! Is this the approach you're being taught, or just doing on your own within the context of your class? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

lipten
11-19-2005, 09:21 PM
http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/DSC02450.jpg

http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/DSC02451.jpg

http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/DSC02452.jpg

http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/DSC02454.jpg
http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/DSC02453.jpg

Most are two minute drawings... The last one are a couple of 20 minute drawings... sometimes I feel like I'm getting slower and slower... I hope it isn't true!

Hope the images aren't too small... let me know, and I can do larger pics...

Rebeccak
11-19-2005, 10:28 PM
Hey Ice Tea guy! :scream:

I think it would be great to see larger versions ~ then we could see the detail. :thumbsup: Nice stuff Grady! :)

Where do you attend Drawing Workshops? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

lipten
11-21-2005, 08:12 AM
Lipten doesn't only make iced tea...

And Hot Tea Black is My drink of Choice...

Most of these are from a Class I teach at AI - San Diego

I was trying to keep the res low... I can re-up later...

mahir
11-22-2005, 10:43 PM
Came across this thread while browsing CGTalk (there's just too many threads to keep track of!). It's been ages since I've posted anything hereabouts, and since I've already had these images uploaded, I thought it's time I put up stuff.

We've got a weekly life drawing session going so I might be able to upload stuff regularly. Any comments appreciated!

http://almahir.com/cpg132/albums/draw/2005_pencil_ldsess01f01.jpg

http://almahir.com/cpg132/albums/draw/2005_pencil_ldsess01f02.jpg

http://almahir.com/cpg132/albums/draw/2005_pencil_ldsess01f03.jpg

http://almahir.com/cpg132/albums/draw/2005_pencil_ldsess01f04.jpg

They range from 5 min to 15 min with a focus on gestures (vital I believe for animation).
2B-4B pencils on cartridge paper. My apologies for the large images!

Rebeccak
11-22-2005, 11:44 PM
mahir,

Welcome to the Anatomy Forum! :) Glad to see your work, and I hope you post your work as you progress through your class. :thumbsup:

I think you have a nice basic sense of the overall form ~ but what I think you might want to try to focus on is, after establishing the basic proportions / layout of the figure, try going in to add more line weight variation to your marks, to increase the interest and sense of emotional tension in your drawings. Here's a demo I did ~ not a perfect drawing by any means, but I'm just posting it to show an example of getting a bit of line variation / difference in line thickness and width (this is a copy of a master drawing):

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rebeccak5/Anatomy%20Threads%20General/IMG_0018-copy.jpg

Hope this helps ~ looking forward to seeing more of your drawings! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

mahir
11-23-2005, 01:21 PM
Thanx for the tip Rebecca!
I'll try to focus more on that in the next session.

winterhart
11-23-2005, 09:55 PM
Here's some of my favourites from the last few years of life drawing...
chalk pastel:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/Beelzebub44/femmy.jpg

conte
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/Beelzebub44/man.jpg

conte
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/Beelzebub44/recliningwoman.jpg

Ink wash and gouache (heh)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/Beelzebub44/twogirls.jpg

Rebeccak
11-23-2005, 10:10 PM
winterhart,

Welcome aboard! Great to see your work ~ I quite like the chalk pastel and conte works especially! :) I hope you will continue to post your work, and participate in our zany Workshops around here ~ the current one being the 15 Minute Sketchathon, which is a Sticky thread at the top of this forum. :)

Glad to have you here, and hope you will find things that interest you!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

jinnseng
11-27-2005, 02:27 AM
These are a few pieces from life drawing class. These were done during one class period, so we about 2 hours time to do these minus all the breaks. Thanks for taking a look.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/martinrs.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/jinnseng/lt3rs2.jpg

I didn't have time to finish the right foot on this one.

Rebeccak
11-27-2005, 01:57 PM
Kyna,

While there are a few proportional problems here and there in these drawings, they have just a beautiful haunting quality which I love! I really like the monumentality and sculptural quality you have infused in the second piece ~ have you ever done drawings from / of marble statues? I think you would really enjoy doing that ~ there are so many beautiful ones from which to choose. Are you required to do any master copies in your course? Perhaps you could consider doing a few of statues if so? I think that this would be a really great exercise for you ~ and the great thing about statues / photos of them is that they don't move! :)

Nice work, glad to see your post. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

jinnseng
11-27-2005, 03:12 PM
Hi Rebecca

I haven't done any master copies or any drawings from statues as of yet. I'm still trying to get basics down for drawing anatomy. I'm taking life drawing II next semester and I believe the instructor starts to have us do some master copies. I'll keep the statue idea in mind if that assignment comes around. Thanks for the comments!

Rebeccak
11-27-2005, 03:16 PM
Kyna,

Sounds great! Thrilled to hear you will be taking another class. :) Looking forward to your posts! :)

Cheers,

~Rk

EAD
12-01-2005, 12:52 PM
Here's one from the this weeks class>> willow charcoal, 2 hours ish.:)

Apologies for the quality of photo, there's a distinct lack of daylight here, its snowing!

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7716/nov10nb.jpg

Thomasphoenix
12-01-2005, 02:10 PM
I love the line quality and the treatment very Cool!:cool:

Rebeccak
12-01-2005, 02:47 PM
I took the quickest peek ever, and I agree, beautiful linework!!

Be checkin' back later...gotta get my nudes on, ROFL...:D

Cheers,

~Rk

Rebeccak
12-01-2005, 11:44 PM
AOAH,

Well, looka here! Andy's a real artist ~ beautiful work! :thumbsup: Very Fechin like, I'd have to say ~ which is ace in my book. The area I find most beautiful is that of the torso ~ there your focus is the crispest, with the feet becoming a bit too mushy and undefined. The thing that's great about the drawing is the sense of perspective ~ which is lost a little bit, unfortunately, in the arm and to some extent in the head ~ but the overall sense of the viewer's viewpoint is quite strong and nicely considered.

Nice post! :arteest:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

EAD
12-02-2005, 01:13 AM
Thomasphoenix> thanks :thumbsup:

RK> THanks for the wise words, much appreciated:). I recon its Probably my best drawing of the current course, I'm starting to get it together after a few weeks of floundering around in mediocrity.

Andy *flowing*

PixelColada
12-08-2005, 01:36 AM
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_Workshop_BlackDress01.png

http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_Workshop_BlackDress02.png

Some marker drawings from this weekend.

Rebeccak
12-08-2005, 02:16 PM
Hey Sheff! :)

Great to see you back, you really have to participate in our

15 Min. Sketchathon Thread: (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295498)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295498

It's just about the hottest thing going around here! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Icey
12-11-2005, 02:13 PM
LIFEDROWINGS!!! :D


done in very wired position, because that's me in the mirror :)
10-15 minutes max!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/IceyLord/WebPage/0106-life.jpg

beelow
12-11-2005, 05:37 PM
Glad to see u here sheff! i will go ahead and start to post my life studies here as well, nice work as always sheff!:thumbsup:

Question, will you be returning to school next quarter, I want to sit in on your classes, back to the good old days, I only have one class next quarter then I am gone after that, I may go ahead and continue to come to open session after I graduate!

PixelColada
12-12-2005, 01:42 AM
Marker drawings from yesterday,

http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_Workshop_MikeSuit01.png

Bryce,

I do intend to return to teaching either in April or June. I still have yet to see how fatherhood works out for scheduling. My wife goes back to work in January, so it's up to me to stay home and be dad.

I emailed Regina and told her I was willing to do an independent study for students who were interested this coming quarter. Otherwise, I won't be teaching in January.

If you are interested in that talk to Jon, Milan or Regina.

Rebeccak
12-12-2005, 02:00 AM
Icey,

More beautiful drawings!!! It's great to have you on the forum! :thumbsup:

Sheff,

Glad to hear you will be teaching again soon! I think your students will be quite happy. :)

Nice work, as always. :)

Looking forward to some baby sketches! :wavey:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

lipten
12-12-2005, 05:00 AM
there is alot of really cool stuff up here...

Sheff is that a brush pen or one of those regular chisel type of markers... not that it's that important, but that is some damn good linework!

Icey, ... good stuff especially using a mirror.... that can be really tough!

Here are a few longer poses... 40 - 50 mins approximately!

http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/DSC02486_post.jpg

http://www.amusinmyselfproductions.com/DSC02484_post.jpg

PixelColada
12-12-2005, 06:30 AM
Rebecca,

I know I've been remiss with the baby sketches. They're coming.

Lipten,

Yes, it's a brush pen, specfically, a black Tombo. I'm drawing on bristol, so you can make the lines bleed with a wet paper towel because the ink is water soluable. If you were to draw with brown/sepia on better paper, you'd have budget Tiepolo drawings. That Tombo is about 10 years old so it's kind of drying out and the tip is a bit worn. So as a result it makes lines that are a little bit lighter and the strokes are a little bit more random and harder to be precise. On the back end of the marker, it has a sharp point. When I'm drawing with it, I take off both caps and just flip the pen as necessary.

beelow
12-12-2005, 04:36 PM
*Sob* no Sheff, not till April!?:cry: :cry: jk! I will talk to Jon about that, and see if I can do that even if it is an independent study. If you can, can i just do an apprenticeship? That would be cool! Best of luck to you with your child man, and again congrats dude!

lipten- Your work is great! Yeah to sit there under sheff is really cool!

Icey- sorry dude that was rude of me to not comment on your lifedrawings, Great stuff! That is pretty difficult to do draw yourself, but it is great!

beelow
12-15-2005, 04:18 PM
Here is something from open session with sheffield, and others! Not the best of work but, its ok, guess. Oila on watercolor paper, sorry I was experimenting.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v611/beelow/life%20drawing/Untitled-10.jpg

PixelColada
12-15-2005, 06:18 PM
Bryce,

If you're going to break rules like painting in oils on watercolor paper, really break them hard. I know that you're using the water miscible oils but try using them on hot press water color paper or some other durable smooth surface and add more linseed oil. Personally, I like slicker smoother surfaces because I like to work fast and and glide around the work area. Cold press papers have too much tooth and slow me down. I wouldn't work on cold press unless I was rendering. Paint wet into wet, on a surface that won't suck the oil into it. You just need enough tooth on the paper to form a physical bond with the paint but not so much that you feel drag on your brushes.

Here are a couple of examples:

http://www.sheff.com/portfolio/albums/Drawings/BlackGirl.jpg

http://www.sheff.com/portfolio/albums/Drawings/WhiteGirl.jpg

20 minute poses and 4 color limited palette. These pieces are from when I was in school and they're over 10 years old. They're nowhere near as bad a condition that I thought they would be.

beelow
12-15-2005, 07:42 PM
Bryce,

If you're going to break rules like painting in oils on watercolor paper, really break them hard. I know that you're using the water miscible oils but try using them on hot press water color paper or some other durable smooth surface and add more linseed oil. Personally, I like slicker smoother surfaces because I like to work fast and and glide around the work area. Cold press papers have too much tooth and slow me down. I wouldn't work on cold press unless I was rendering. Paint wet into wet, on a surface that won't suck the oil into it. You just need enough tooth on the paper to form a physical bond with the paint but not so much that you feel drag on your brushes.



Yeah, I remember Kevin saying the same thing to me. I will try that next time! I think I will paint over one of my old canvases and try to paint on that next time. Yeah I had problems moving the paints on the paper, and a lot of the linseed oil was being absorbed into the paper. I will try to use soomething smooth, next time for oils, who know what I will do, stilll a need for improvement a lot, thanx sheff!:wavey:

Are we having open session this weekend? I may show up but that is real iffy though.

PixelColada
12-15-2005, 10:01 PM
No open session this weekend. I think Kevin said that it starts back up in January on Sat afternoons. Talk to him to verify.

beelow
12-16-2005, 04:48 AM
Yeah, I just got the news earlier tonight from Kevin. It will be in session on the first week next quarter. I hope to see you there, and bring your kid as well, i will like to see him/her, sorry sheff don't know if you have a boy or girl. I did not get that news!:thumbsup:

blablabba
12-17-2005, 11:52 AM
hey this is my first post to this forum, i have been doing life drawing classes! there is a very sad story behind this picture! which i think i should tell. My first life drawing session and in came through the door a lovely sweet happy go lucky lady called tory who was the life model for the night, i drew a few pictures of her, the session ended and i drove home looking forward to drawing her next week!.

I heard on the news there had been a accident that night and i did wonder how i would feel if it was someone i knew!, well few days later i got a phone call!, it was the life drawing teacher she told me that the young model lady had died in a accident!, so i am adding this not only as a drawing to show, but in memory of a sweet lady.
God Bless Tory

http://www.philangelo.co.uk/tor.jpg

BBJ-83
12-18-2005, 10:12 AM
Hey guys!

Realy nice drawings within this thread:thumbsup: Today I want to post two works of mine. The first one I did about 6 month ago, it's done with oil paint and took me some weeks of work (you'd think that this is to much for such a work. I have done it in a art course and we had only 4 hours of lesson every week). I don't remember exactly how long it finally took.

The second drawing I did this week. It's a self-portrait and took me about 6 hours. It's done with acrylic.

I would be glad to get some comments on my work.

http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/%7Es0736231/temp/fotosession-008%28web%29.jpg

http://web.inf.tu-dresden.de/%7Es0736231/temp/kunst-003%28web%29.jpg

Rebeccak
12-18-2005, 06:22 PM
Philangelo,

That is a very sad story, and I am sorry to hear that. It's coincidence that you happened to find out about it ~ it's too bad.

Hope to see more (less tragic) work from you here.

bermuda_boy_jimbo,

I quite like your portrait ~ there is definitely a lot of energy there.

I know it's confusing, but we do have the following thread, to which you may wish to also post your images:

Life Paintings - Post Your Best Paintings From Life! 2D TRADITIONAL / DIGITAL (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257532)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257532

The thing I would recommend trying is to coat your painting surface with a good (not too thick) coat of burnt sienna, and work in a limited pallette ~ white, yellow ochre, burnt sienna, burnt umber, ultramarine blue, alizarin crimson, and veridian green ~ and to mix your blacks from burnt umber, ultramarine blue, alizarin crimson, and veridian green, and not using white for a highlight. You may wish, in fact, to use a cream, off~white color in place of white.

A great medium for painting is ironically, acrylic colored gesso. It's a bit expensive, but comes in small bottles, and you can get a range of colors.

The consistency of acrylic gesso is quite smooth, and far less plasticy and inconsistent than acrylic paint.

Hope to see more of your work on the forum! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
12-18-2005, 11:48 PM
lipten,

Forgot to mention, the work you posted earlier looks great! Looks like you are going in a good new direction. Hope to see more of your work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

BBJ-83
12-19-2005, 08:54 AM
Hi Rebeccak,
thanks a lot for the great tips!!! I think I don't have the heart to coat the painting:) because it's a X-Mas present for my parents. But I'll definitely work with a limited pallette the next time.
I have a lot of acrylic at home so I can't afford to buy a complete set of acrylic gesso. I'm not sure if I understood the real difference between acrylic and acrylic colored gesso. Why is it inconsitent and is it advisable to use both colors at one work?

After taking the pictures from my work I adjusted the levels. The contrast became a littlebit too high so I'll post the pictures in the other thread with a new layer on it to reduce the contrast.

blablabba
12-20-2005, 11:12 AM
hey everyone got some more stuff here! from the new model we had in the life drawing class. shes more curvier.

15 minute Oil Pastel
http://www.philangelo.co.uk/Colour.jpg


15 minute drawing Charcoal
http://www.philangelo.co.uk/lady4.jpg

15 minute drawing Pencil
http://www.philangelo.co.uk/lady2.jpg

Rebeccak
12-21-2005, 02:37 AM
Philangelo,

Good to see your studies! :) Have you ever considered doing Master Copies? We have a Master Copies thread here:

Master Copies - Post Your Copies From The Great Masters! 2D/3D D/T DRWG/PTG/SCULPTURE (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257446)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=257446

Master Copies are, in my opinion, a great way to learn proportions, line variation, etc ~ all things that are related to Drawing and Painting. Definitely check out that thread when you get the chance, and I hope that you will make a contribution there, as well! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

blablabba
12-21-2005, 05:13 PM
Hey thank you very much for all the help! and information i shall get my self involved! with that master class!!, Rebecca i am not sure whether you would be able to help but i have a University Interview on the 12th of January 2006 the course will be a BA HONS Digital Animation Course, and could do with a little guidance on the portfolio i have, i have a Folder with all my life drawings in, and development work leading up to final designs i am not actually currently a student although a few years ago i attented Art college for 2 years. so i have all my material but it is just a matter of getting it all together and presenting it.

Thank you Phil

ARTOONATOR
12-21-2005, 06:03 PM
Hi all :)

These are all done from life. I so love drawing and painting from life. Gives you that edge back.:banghead:

Pastels, 30 minutes.
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/513/016cd.jpg
Pastels, 30 minutes.
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/1144/024pv.jpg
Pastels, 20 minutes.
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/3483/052ag.jpg
Pastels, 10 minutes.
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/6172/068pv.jpg

ARTOONATOR
12-21-2005, 06:04 PM
Here's another few

Acrylics, 30 minutes.
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/512/101mv.jpg
Pencils, 10 minute sketches.
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/6222/112oa.jpg
Charcoal, diffuse layers, 30 minutes.
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/5118/154nj.jpg
Pastels, 15 minutes.
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/6847/165yw.jpg
Pastels, 10 minutes.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7388/184xg.jpg
7B pencil, 20 minutes.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3207/206vg.jpg
Pastels, 15 minutes
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/4660/175xp.jpg

Rebeccak
12-21-2005, 06:05 PM
ARTOONATOR,

Perfect. :) Will definitely take a look at your work later, when I'm at home. :)

Welcome to the forum! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

BBJ-83
12-21-2005, 06:36 PM
Artoonator, great work!!!:thumbsup: I like your stuff. Especially the second one. WOW

Ripped van Winkle
01-01-2006, 10:04 PM
Just found this site by chance, looks like fun. Gotta get my two posts in to show work.

Rebeccak
01-02-2006, 01:02 AM
Ripped van Winkle,

Welcome aboard! Looking forward to seeing your posts! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Ripped van Winkle
01-02-2006, 08:09 PM
I didn't see any clothed figures in the string (I didn't see them if there are), so I thought I'd put one in. Man with gun is about an hour and a half. Seated nude is about eight hours (not consecutive) and the head study is about two hours. I'm not a very good photographer so some stuff looks a little blurry or washed out.



http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/patandlien/life%20drawing/longlifedrawingbrook_6971.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/patandlien/life%20drawing/clothedfiguremanandgun_6936.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/patandlien/life%20painting/JohnoilportrateIMG_6835.jpg

PixelColada
01-03-2006, 01:32 AM
Ripped van Winkle,

Are you at Associates, Watts or Cal Art Institute? Just wondering.

Ripped van Winkle
01-03-2006, 01:39 AM
Been to accd, took some at either academy of art or art institute in San Francisco, (but they had some good teachers) can't remember which and Watt's. I like Watt's the best out of all of them.

Rebeccak
01-03-2006, 01:56 AM
Patrick,

Great to see your stuff! :thumbsup: The first suggestion I have is just to copy and paste the image URL into the EDIT POST text editor (it's the yellow square icon with the sun / mountain) so that we can see your images without having to click on the links. :)

Great to have another ACCD'er aboard! :) Hope to see more of your work! I've heard good things about Watts, and the work from there seems very solid.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

beelow
01-04-2006, 09:37 AM
Nice work ripple van winklem really solid work!:thumbsup:

Hey sheff, you going to be at open session first week by any chance???

damn, too many accd students here, overload....boom!:eek:

PixelColada
01-04-2006, 07:39 PM
Yeah, I'll try to be there. I'll also try to talk one of my friends into going too.

beelow
01-08-2006, 12:47 PM
Cool, sheff, will u try to get 11th door to come, I would like to meet him as well, awsome, bring ur kid too.;)

Diego_R
01-09-2006, 01:22 PM
Hello i'm new to this forums...
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/diegol/long_1.jpg

Diego_R
01-09-2006, 01:33 PM
more...
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/diegol/from_life1.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/diegol/life_3_.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/diegol/from_life2.jpg (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/diegol/from_life2.jpg)

Diego_R
01-09-2006, 01:37 PM
some quickies
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/diegol/life_hc.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/diegol/life_hc1.jpg

Rebeccak
01-09-2006, 02:09 PM
Diego_R,

Welcome aboard! Some beautiful work you have here ~ do you want to tell us something about your background and training? :) Really nice studies, hope to see more of these! :)

BTW, I hope you don't mind, I'm going to delete your post from the Sketchathon Reference thread ~ absolutely no worries, it's just that I like to keep that thread for my and Queensoul's posting of References only, so please take no offense. You can post your actual sketches here:

I5 Minute Sketchathon - Thread 2: Sketches (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295498)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295498

Sorry, I know it's confusing, because there's one thread for Reference, and one thread for Sketches. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak
01-09-2006, 02:37 PM
Oh, is this the same Diego from conceptart? Or a different one? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Diego_R
01-09-2006, 02:52 PM
hello Rebeccak, yes i'm the same Diego.
Thanks for the kind welcome, i'm 21, and I'm self taught when it comes to drawing. Not much to say about that.
Anyways, i hope to post more of my pages in here.
Cheers

ps: Sorry for that post in the references. :)

Rebeccak
01-09-2006, 03:10 PM
Diego,

Heya, no worries! :) Great to see you here, bring your friends! It will be nice to get some cross~fertilization going. Always nice to see excellent work! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ripped van Winkle
01-17-2006, 04:44 AM
this is about an hour and a half to two hours. Conte on smooth newsprint.

Ripped

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/patandlien/life%20drawing/JohnIMG_6829.jpg

Rebeccak
01-17-2006, 06:30 PM
Ripped,

Totally beautiful work...I love your drawing style. Definitely post more of these when you get the chance! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Icey
01-17-2006, 06:42 PM
damn!! i really love this!!
i bet this isn't the only one you have, so... show us more!! :D :D

jinnseng
01-17-2006, 10:17 PM
Wow Ripped, that's a nice study! And you did it on newsprint on top of that. It shows you really know your stuff, because newsprint isn't exactly the most workable paper around.

beelow
01-19-2006, 06:28 AM
Nice study ripped, I like the fact that yo;u are hitting those shapes in with those shadows, tops!:thumbsup:

tomenas
01-19-2006, 10:50 AM
One of my old works

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9261/5rel2ao.jpg

Rebeccak
01-20-2006, 09:05 PM
anskrit,

Nice to see you here! :) Lovely drawing...I hope to see more of these. What is your background and training?

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ripped van Winkle
01-23-2006, 05:04 PM
This is an hour and a half conte on newsprint (most of them are). Left off the feet because he was wearing tennis shoes. Didn't really go with the "look".

Ripped
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/patandlien/life%20drawing/clothedmantunicstaff_6955.jpg

Rebeccak
01-25-2006, 11:25 AM
Ripped,

Really nice drawing. :)

One thing I notice about the shading technique that is taught at places like Watts is that it seems to flatten the figure out a bit ~ I understand the approach in terms of achieving continuity in a drawing, but it is almost too much continuity sometimes ~ I think you're more than capable of looking further than just generalizing the shadow areas and shapes in a kind of one size fits all shading technique.

What do you think?

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Ripped van Winkle
01-25-2006, 05:16 PM
Yes

Watt's procedure definately has a generic look to it within the school and it is critisized for it, I think because of the impression that it produces cookie cutter artists. But I think that follows with just about any school. AC will use toned paper with charcoal and white chalk. Academy of art uses red chalk or vine on toned paper. The drawing styles of the schools also vary. AC would use the bean or a geometric breakdown, Watts pushes rhythms and large general shape layins and a tonal drawing approach and the instructors I had at Academy of Arts combined a tonal approach with a more geometric shape lay in. All three schools have very identifiable "looks" to them. Also at Art Center and at Academy of Arts you had to show a proficiency in drawing and painting before you could even take classes. The Atelier allows novice to professional which has its drawbacks and benefits. Unfortunately in a class room environment there is little room for deviation from the direction of the drawing approach for obvious instruction reasons. However, the work that is produced from reference or life work outside the classroom environment is where personal preference is interjected. I am fortunate that I have been exposed to the different drawing styles because it allows me to work a lot looser when I study at home from reference. I think the goal of using any technique in a classroom environment is to become a competent draughtsman. Adding what you want to say about your work through the drawing comes with the confidence gained after you become competent.

All that said, it's all fun and I can't get enough of it.

Feel free to use my two cents to fill a balloon and launch it into orbit.

Ripped

P.S. I think I still have some Academy stuff. I'll put some up. They liked to use some drawing tools I never even heard of before I went there.

Rebeccak
01-26-2006, 01:14 AM
Ripped,

I think it's really interesting to hear your thoughts on different methods of drawing as advocated by different schools, as I know exactly what you mean. :) I can definitely see the different influences, and can also see that you're more or less actively trying to assimilate your own style. This is something I have tried to do since graduating as an undergrad from Art Center by doing Master Copies and my own work. I think that the concentrated learning I did in school really needed years of percolation post~school to come together for me, and in a way the period after an intensive experience such as the training that school provided (at least in the first few foundation terms ~ the upper terms were more watered down) has been sort of like unpacking a stuffed suitcase of information. As I student I really tried hard to cram as much information into my brain as possible and to get the most out of my time in the drawing workshops etc. ~ but one can only progress so quickly, and so it has taken me a lot of time to feel as though I really understand what it was that I was taught and exposed to in the school environment. In a way this is a rich experience, but it also requires a lot of patience and self~discipline in the unstructured environment (art~wise) that follows graduation. I think it's quite fortunate that we as artists now have a web community that extends the school experience (though of course, doesn't replicate it) indefinitely ~ it's a shame that artists of the past had to labor in such isolation ~ and by the past, I mean the 1980's! :scream:

At any rate, thanks for your thoughts, and I look forward to seeing more of your work. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

PixelColada
01-27-2006, 04:52 AM
http://sheffieldabella.com/gallery/albums/drawings/normal_Sheff_Workshop_Noella.png

I like to equate the idea of learning the basics of drawing/painting to the idea of learning the basics of ballroom dancing. If you've ever studied ballroom dancing, you would notice that the more solid you are in your basic steps, the easier it is to apply style to it. However, in various workshops you'd always see someone teaching style, especially in dances that are very complex, without giving students much of a foundation. You'll see students try to do flashy hand styling when they can't even hear the beat of the music.

I think the same applies for art. Since I've been a teacher, it's forced me to go back and solidify my basics in order to teach better. As time goes by I can now see I can do more with less effort. And my mind wanders when I'm drawing, not so much about things I know that I know, but other aesthetic concerns that never troubled me as a student because I was so focused on getting it right. I stopped drawing for years because I didn't know how to grow from where I was at. If anything, becoming a teacher will change you more than taking classes and workshops. It will also have its rewards and frustrations, but that could be said about any endeavor.

Nowadays, I'm not focused on artistic growth anymore, I'm more focused on enjoying what I'm doing. I feel that if I'm having fun, I don't have to worry as much about my growth.

Ripped van Winkle
02-06-2006, 06:21 PM
This is an hour and a half oil on masonite Riley Method.

Ripped

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/patandlien/life%20drawing/FemalewithscarfoillifesmallIMG_6847.jpg

Rebeccak
02-06-2006, 11:26 PM
Excellent sketches, Sheff! :applause:

Ripped,

Wow, impressive for such a short time! It's great to see more of your work. :thumbsup:

Keep the good stuff comin', guys! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ripped van Winkle
02-07-2006, 04:30 PM
Your comment reminded me, that was a two and a half hour figure painting not one and a half. I slipped in a plein air painting with another Riley. If that doesn't count I won't post them again. I'd like to see some of your digital paintings Rebecca. I'm threatening myself to buy a tablet. Figure painting shot a little fuzzy.

Ripped
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/patandlien/life%20painting/morningatbeachsmallIMG_6850.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/patandlien/life%20painting/MalenudeoilfromlifesmallIMG_6842.jpg

Rebeccak
02-07-2006, 04:34 PM
Ripped,

Hey there, :) you can see some of my digital paintings on my website: www.rebeccakimmel.com (http://www.rebeccakimmel.com).

Go for the tablet ~ it's the digital age, baby! And with your traditional skills, you should have very little problem making the transition. ;)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

jjhei
04-14-2006, 11:36 PM
Ok, so I felt I needed to stop wandering around the forums and do nothing but comment. Here I have posted some lifedrawings from school from 30 seconds to 5 minutes. I work with conte' on smooth newsprint. Hope you like, and constructive criticism is highly encouraged! (Oh.. I hope these images aren't too big.. sorry if they are, let me know and I will change my images in the future)

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4903/2466/1600/30sec1.0.jpg
30sec

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4903/2466/1600/30sec2.jpg
30sec

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4903/2466/1600/1min.jpg
1min

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4903/2466/1600/5min9.jpg
5min

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4903/2466/1600/5min6.jpg
5min

Rebeccak
04-16-2006, 03:01 PM
Hi jjhei,

Great to see your drawings! It's funny, recently I've been going through my old stuff and have come across more of my old drawings from when I was an undergrad ~ I'll have to post that stuff later as time permits. I think in terms of suggestions, I might recommend really getting more of a sense of roundness in the forms ~ sort of exxaggerating and completing forms. I'll post some examples later. What is the teaching methodology at Sheridan? Are your professors partial to any particular artists or style? One person with whom you may or may not be familiar is Glenn Vilppu. He has a website and a number of books / dvds (the dvds he's split up into too many different pieces, imo) but I would recommend getting his book, the Vilppu Drawing Manual (http://www.vilppustudio.com/books.htm). It's great for learning how to break things down into smaller, simpler pieces.

Looking forward to seeing more of your work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

jjhei
04-16-2006, 04:52 PM
Hi jjhei,

Great to see your drawings! It's funny, recently I've been going through my old stuff and have come across more of my old drawings from when I was an undergrad ~ I'll have to post that stuff later as time permits. I think in terms of suggestions, I might recommend really getting more of a sense of roundness in the forms ~ sort of exxaggerating and completing forms. I'll post some examples later. What is the teaching methodology at Sheridan? Are your professors partial to any particular artists or style? One person with whom you may or may not be familiar is Glenn Vilppu. He has a website and a number of books / dvds (the dvds he's split up into too many different pieces, imo) but I would recommend getting his book, the Vilppu Drawing Manual (http://www.vilppustudio.com/books.htm). It's great for learning how to break things down into smaller, simpler pieces.

Looking forward to seeing more of your work!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Thanks Rebecca!

Yea I'd love to see some of your older work! As for getting more of a sense of roundness and completeness to my forms, that is something I am trying to work on. I began with a bad approach, an approach where I did not block in the drawing as a whole first. I'm nailing my blocking-in ability down first. Without my block-in I would stray to basically draw the model's outlines as I saw it, not incorporating proper structure. Anatomical knowledge will greatly improve the structure in my drawings, and I am still learning that. I know of Glenn Vilppu. I believe he trains/trained animators.
I am in the animation program here at Sheridan, the same program as Bobby Chiu. However, he was in the 3-year curriculum. The school changed the curriculum because they made it a degree program, whether it was a good choice or not, that is a different topic. I am currently a 1st-year student here in the program, I am not too knowledgeable of the teaching methodology. I will try my best to tell you what I know. My life drawing teacher emphasizes drawing the figure by using lines to show form, although we can begin incorporating minimal shading if it helps the form. Structure is of huge importance, as well as gesture of course. In 3rd-year I believe they work on capture more of the essense or personalities/attitudes of the pose/model, more of the 'feeling'?
One thing that I often forget when drawing the model is thinking of the basic shapes, which would help in defining where the most simplest of planes are, and in turn help me draw the form more clearer. I'll try to keep that in mind. I am working on simplifying my drawings as well, that is something we focus on too.
Sorry, I know I am quite unclear. Bob Chiu would be a good person to ask for a clearer, better response. I am off to extra life-drawing right now, and will try to work out what you have mentioned =D. I really look forward to seeing your examples of what you mean too.

Thanks again for the great advice =p.

weslouie
05-19-2006, 03:22 PM
No posts in here since April?

Pffftt......Rebecca....its not like you're busy or anything.


:)

PixelColada
05-19-2006, 04:18 PM
At Art Institute of Las Vegas, they only offer Life Drawing Classes EVERY OTHER QUARTER.

Administration doesn't understand how this negatively affects the students.

The guys who go the open workshop don't post or don't frequent this forum.

Rebeccak
05-19-2006, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by Sheff: The guys who go the open workshop don't post or don't frequent this forum.
It's too bad that admins of an art school don't understand the importance of Life Drawing :/ sadly that doesn't seem to be outside of the norm.

Hmm, I'm curious as to whether such folks don't know about the forum, or if they just feel that their own studies are adequate...which is understandable, but of course it's always nice to see new work here. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

PixelColada
05-19-2006, 04:55 PM
I think the problem is that none of the admins are artists.

That's why they don't understand the value of drawing. In fact, I had been fighting for over a year to get drawing horses for that room. We might have them this upcoming quarter. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

I had been telling my boss how bad the students are at drawing and that they needed to get better in order to compete. He didn't feel that it was important until he noticed that the students landing jobs happened to be better draughtsmen and that the kids who drew poorly weren't getting work. Then he could see that there was a correlation between drawing skill and getting hired.

The only one who I believe was a practicing professional or at least, certified in her industry abruptly quit. We have a meeting about it today.

I think the problem is open enrollment and poor portfolio requirements. In the effort to maintain short term profits and satisfy shareholders, they have ignored the goal of excellent performance. Excellence in education is secondary.