View Full Version : I'm in deep you know what - can anyone help?
07-07-2005, 07:15 AM
Hi, tonight I was rendering from Max and all of the sudden my computer just went black - apparently shut down. I tried to reboot, and at first I saw the Windows splash for a second and it closed down again. I tried again, tried to get into safe mode, but it would crash. I tried again and it took a few times but I can get into my bios. I guess that's all. I am in the middle of a project that has really been taking over my hard drive, since the materials are so big. Earlier today I had to burn a bunch of data on duel layer dvd's and then delete it as I was down to a little over 5 gigs (out of a 60 hard drive) after I did this I had about 13 gigs left. By the way this project has it's own folder and it takes up 25 gigs or so. Anyways, because of this, it leads me to beleive that either a) I'm out of Ram (I rendered a several gig mat before I applied it to Max) or b) I ran out of disk space. I don't know for sure, but it seems like reasonable possibilities. Can anyone help me out here? Would resetting my bios do anything? By the way I notice in bios that boot logo screen is disabled, is this supposed to be? I was hoping I could get into safe mode and just see if the drive was down low, and I could just delete some stuff........ but I can't even do that. How can I get back in, anyone have this experience or happen to be knowledgeable in this area, or just have some ideas........ this just happened so I'm freaking out you know!! Please can anyone help me?
07-07-2005, 07:31 AM
just reinstall windows
if u don't have enough space and u wanna free some, and can;t access u'r hdd
and u'r partitions are probably ntfs just grab a live linux cd (like knoppix for example)
boot it up, clean u'r drives
and then reinstall windows
if u'r hdd is gone. just try and do a recovery with the ontrack tools on a friend's comp
if u;r hdd is fried for good (physically) , then, it gets complicated
but if the electronic board is fried, just replace it (need to find an exact relplica though)
if u'r heads and disks are gone, its almost bye bye (still the hdd super intervention crew :), from u'r hdd maker (every hdd maker has one) , can still get into it and recover data but it takes weeks, it costs, and u'll have to ship u'r hdd in a country that has a local hdd assambly line (most likely the manufacturer's country).
but as far as i can tell, u just have a small windows "hangover" , so hang on, reinstall, and thats it
u call this deep sh...
man, "where u are know, u can;t even imagine what the bottom looks like"
i just love that quote
07-07-2005, 08:11 AM
Yeah... reinstall, but don't reformat! then you'll def. lose your project .. you have tried completely shutting down for a minute or so, right? ...You can't be out of ram (as long as you've shut down, though resetting should still have cleared it eventually)... and uh yeah -- what he said.
07-07-2005, 08:48 AM
Resetting will clear RAM instantly.
Sounds more like a severe problem, despite what people say, Windows is rather resiliant, it's hard enough to make it bluescreen let alone drop dead completely.
I would actually suggest, pulling the lid off your computer and checking the CPU fan, this sounds like a heat problem, which is possibly due to the heatsink being clogged with dust.
A full harddrive won't kill windows like this, nor will a broken hard-drive (i've had a windows box run quite happily for more than a month with a toasted hard drive)
The boot logo, is just an advert ignore it.
I'm assuming seeing as you can log on, you have another computer in the house, or someone else with a computer, you can easily use this to recover the data, but, attack that CPU with some compressed air first.
If it is a heat issue, continually turning on your computer will do it harm too.
I'm moving this into the hardware forum where you're more likely to get help.
It's definately not because your drive is full. If you can't even get past the bootscreen it's more likely CPU or RAM problems. Do you get any error beeps?
It would help if you could list your system specs (graphics card, motherboard, cpu, ram and any expansion cards)
[edit: oops, I misread. You do get past the Windows logo. Doesn't neccesarily have to be a hardware fault. Sounds like a reinstall is needed]
i agree with antrent, it seems to be a heat issue.
and from my experience, living in a tropical country with really hot summers, it can make all parts of your computer goes banana. some CPUs turn off after it reached certain temperature, others will just melt.
i had an Athlon XP with a really good fan, but during summers i left the case open with a normal big fan right beside it. if heat is the problem, you could try that (until you change the CPU fan).
07-07-2005, 10:11 PM
go to comp USA and get some thermal paste.(the silver stuff works the best) open your case remove your heat sinc from your processor and clean off the old paste the reapply the new paste in a thin layer and putback on your heat sinc and hook up the fan to it if you disconnected it.
things should be fine. If not check your temp shutoff in the bios. Or see if there is a program for your mobo that shuts it off from inside windows that is running in the background.
07-07-2005, 10:12 PM
Trying to lend a hand also.
*Did you unplug anything today? USB or anything? If you did plug it back in.
** Before anything pull the power plug off the back of your PC.
Wait a couple secs. Plug it back in. See if you can get into Windows then.
* Re-installing might work.
I really don't think it's anything to do with RAM, you just run out of hard disk :(
Don't play with your BIOS unless you're sure what you're doing.
Resetting won't do anything wrong, but your machine will be slow to very slow afterwards. You might need someone to set it for you if you do that.
* Maybe some sort of recovery tool can help you also.
Anything that can boot off CD.
07-07-2005, 10:48 PM
I had this same problem, and i changed the hardrive and ram and nothing worked, in the end i found out that it was actually my video card that caused this problem, i instead of using the recovery disk that my pc came with inserted a win xp pro cd that i bought for the computer i had before i changed it for my current one and because the video drivers didn't install my computer worked. To check if that was truly the problem i installed the latest drivers for my video card, rebooted and it the computer crashed after the win xp splash screen, so i just reinstalled xp again and did not install the video card drivers and my computer worked.
07-07-2005, 11:11 PM
Update - last night my computer continued to just close down when I tried to reboot. Since I could go into the BIOS, I ended up not resetting it but I chose exit without saving changes, and by some miracle when I did that Windows booted up straight from the Bios screen and I was back in. My render that was happening while I crashed was a broken icon and was named something I did not recognize (REF or something like that) so I trashed it and took a look at my hard drive. My hard drive had 5 gigs left. I think the files I am working with are just too big for the current hard drive and the extra ram needed to render - especially since I had just rendered a huge file previous. I think I will reboot from now on in between super large renders - just to clean out the memory. Anyways here's what I did = I hooked up an external 300gig hard drive - it had a stock format of FAT32 which I had to change that so that I could move some of my very large 8gig materials over to it. After that, I cleared everthing from my second hard drive - E- (I had a C which was my main and an E for backup - this new external is now F) to the new F external drive. Once my old backup drive E was empty I changed my virtual memory so that it ran from it, instead of my main C drive. Then I moved my project files from C to the new F drive. I deleted my project files from my C drive, now I have 36 gigs left on it! I am now rendering a test of my max file that is on my new F drive and it seems to be working fine. I'm assuming Max is okay with this then, working from an external drive instead of my operating system drive? Looks like it. Anyways, this seems to have solved my problem.............
And yes, I have other computers - from which I posted my query last night.
07-09-2005, 02:39 AM
What is the normal temp for a system?
07-09-2005, 02:57 AM
What is your CPU model, what temp was/is it at, and what was/is it doing when it reaches that temp?
Unless you have an A64, load temps should be expected somewhere around 60C depending on the ambient temps in the room and the CPU cooler being used.
07-09-2005, 03:13 AM
It depends on the system (?)
I'm running an Athlon 3200+ and worked out a really nice airflow for my box.
Also it's winter here in the South African mountains.
So my temperatures right now are 38C for the CPU and 24C for the board.
It took me a while to get it right, but I think they're preety good readings.
On the hot African summer I get at the most about 45C for the CPU and 28C for the board.
I think they're the kind of normal readings you should be aiming for.
Also remeber it's a tradeoff between noise and temperature.
You don't want it too loud nor too hot?
I doubt you can get anything like that from an Intel machine.
That's why they're contributing to global warming until they put their next model out.. ;)
What is the normal temp for a system?
i´d also like to know more about that.
some years ago i heard CPU´s could handle some 80° or 90° celsius. but after talking to a friend of mine recently, he said it depends on the processor specification.
the AMD Athlon XP i mentioned kept running with 50° celsius, and while rendering could go to some 60° or 64°. i had a good CPU fan in this processor that had some 6000rpm, but was noisy as hell.
now i have a P4 with hyperthreading enabled. while working or browsing the web it stays between 55° and 60° celsius, but when rendering it began to sky rocket to 70°, and when it reached 75° (in the winter!!!) i gave up, opened the case and placed the bigger ("for humans") fan besides it to cool it to some 68° 70°. the fan on this one is less noisy, but runs at some 2700rpm.
recent CPUs have energy saving features, they do not run certain routines unless requested by a thread, which save energy consumption and thus generate less heat. that´s not happens when rendering, which uses all CPU resources (thus consuming more energy and generating more heat).
PS: please, anyone correct me if i´m wrong. :)
07-09-2005, 07:41 PM
Buy an new hard drive and use that as your system drive. This way you can get back up and use the second drive to get your data back without any risk of loosing your data. It sounds like you need a new drive any way and perhaps a fresh install of Windows.
After this, use the second drive as a data drive so if you crash again your data is safe.
My setup uses a server with a raid setup so I never run the risk of data loss or lack of disk space.
07-09-2005, 10:01 PM
Details - Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.20GHz - 2GB Ram
When I first turn it on it's (according to Speedfan reads - which I don't have configured)
After a render it was
07-09-2005, 10:01 PM
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