Rebecca Kimmel's Anatomy Review 002: OPPOSING CURVES

[Rebeccak]

Guys, while this is LESSON 002: OPPOSING CURVES, make sure to check out the Best Gesture Drawings from LESSON 001:GESTURES! (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=253289&page=28&pp=15)

Thanks to everyone who participated in LESSON 001: GESTURES! :thumbsup:

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

If you missed LESSON 001: GESTURES, please stop by the thread to check out the great posts!

Main Page for LESSON 001: GESTURES (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=253289&page=1&pp=15)

Useful Internal Thread Links for LESSON 001: GESTURES: #1 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=2413729&postcount=1)

Hope that both thread topics are beneficial :)

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EDIT: HERE IS AN UPDATED LIST OF REFERENCE BOOKS FOR ARTISTIC ANATOMY AND FIGURATIVE DRAWING:

INSTRUCTIONAL:

"Albinus on Anatomy", by Robert Beverly Hale and Terence Coyle - Dover Publications, publisher

"Artistic Anatomy", by Dr. Paul Richer - Watson Guptill, publisher

"Anatomy Lessons From The Great Masters", by Robert Beverly Hale and Terence Coyle - Watson Guptill, publisher

"Atlas of Human Anatomy for the Artist", by Stephen Rogers Peck - Oxford University Press, publisher

"An Atlas of Anatomy for Artists", by Fritz Schider - Dover Publications, publisher

"Anatomy for the Artist", by Jeno Barcsay - Barnes & Noble Books, publisher

"Human Anatomy for Artists - The Elements of Form", by Eliot Goldfinger - Oxford University Press, publisher

"Master Class in Figure Drawing", by Robert Beverly Hale - Watson Guptill, publisher

"Figure Drawing For All It's Worth", by Andrew Loomis - Viking Press (out of print)

"Dynamic Anatomy", by Burne Hogarth - Watson Guptill, publisher

"Vilppu Drawing Manual", by Glenn Vilppu - (self-published)

"The Human Machine: The Anatomical Structure and Mechanism of the Human Body", by George Bridgeman - Dover, publisher

*NEW*" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879515368/pricecompar0d-20/ref%3Dnosim/102-1911993-6034569)High-Focus Drawing - A Revolutionary Approach to Drawing the Figure", by James McMullan - Overlook Press, publisher (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879515368/pricecompar0d-20/ref%3Dnosim/102-1911993-6034569)



BOOKS BY / ABOUT DRAUGHTSMEN:


"Michelangelo", by Bernard Lamarche-Vadel - Chartwell Books, Inc., publisher

"Michelangelo And His Drawings", by Michael Hirst - Yale University Press

"Pontormo", by/edited by Salvatore S. Nigro and Marianne Scheider - Schirmer / Mosel, publisher

"The Drawings of Rubens", Master Draughtsman Series of books - Borden Publishing Company, publisher

"The Drawings of Harry Carmean", Master Draughtsman Series of books - Borden Publishing Company, publisher

"Carmean", by June Harwood - Harwood / Carmean, publisher


OF INTEREST:

"Encyclopaedia Anatomica - Museo La Specola Florence" - Taschen, publisher

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Clearly, you don't need all of these! The best thing to do is hunt a few of the top INSTRUCTIONAL books down online or in the bookstores, and see what you like best.
So long as the books that you find contain reference including the skeleton in front, back, and side view, as well as the muscular and surface structures in these three views, you should be fine. Often, artists like to have several books on hand, however, as each reference book can offer something unique, even if the same subject matter is covered.

In terms of books about ARTISTS, everyone should have a book containing Michelangelo's Drawings and Paintings in my opinion! After that, Rubens. After that, Pontormo. These are just my three favorite artists that I drool over. But definitely collect books on artists you love and never loan them! :)

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EDIT: RECOMMENDED TRADITIONAL MEDIA SUPPLIES (IF YOU ARE USING TRADITIONAL MEDIA):


Supply-wise, you are welcome to use any medium with which you feel comfortable -- personally, I'm going to be posting charcoal drawings, maybe with some Photoshop additions, but these posts are essentially meant to be more demonstrative in terms of ideas about approaching figurative drawing, and less about using a specific technique.

So you can use what you like for these exercises -- pencil, pen, charcoal, pixels...

That being said, the materials I tend to use when drawing are:

For anatomical studies from books or life:
-ballpoint pen
-any size sketchbook, preferably a standard medium-sized one (not a tiny one)
-pencil rarely

For figurative drawings / life drawings:
-several charcoal pencils (6B Generals) for figurative drawing
-or Carb Othello pencils (more expensive, harder to find, but softer)
-exacto knife to sharpen charcoal pencils
-sandpaper pad to sand sharpened charcoal pencils
-paper towels for pencil shavings
-18" x 24" newsprint pad
-standard masonite drawing board with clips to accommdate 18" x 24" newsprint pad
-support for drawing board (eg, easel -- I just use a black lightweight aluminum tripod-style easel)
-gum eraser (used rarely)

Hope this is useful :)

~Rebeccak

[sphere]

Thanks Rebecca! This lesson seems to really follow on nicely from the last. I'll be sure to get busy with opposing curves when I have some free time.

edit: Do you think we should all work from the same reference?

[Rebeccak]

Thanks, Sphere! Look forward to seeing your new work :)

~Rebeccak

[lukx]

Rebecca, do you mind if I make pdf from your lessons and share them in this topic?

[Rebeccak]

lukx wrote,

>Rebecca, do you mind if I make pdf from your lessons and share them in this topic?

lukx,

thank you for asking ~ I would greatly prefer if you made a pdf version only for yourself and did not post it on this thread.

The information is available to everyone here, but the drawings and lessons are under my copyright, and the drawings posted on this thread are copyright their respective owners.

Thanks for understanding, and I hope to see your posts! :)

~Rebeccak

[nelsig]

Hi Rebecca !

as soon as I find a model, I'll go with opposing curves ;)

thanks for the time you take to do such great tutorials

Nicolas

[Rebeccak]

nelsig,

Awesome! The more the merrier :)

~Rebeccak

[scorpion007]

Great, i hope to participate in this one too :D

Each entry will have:


An original piece done after the topic has been picked.
The artwork done by the participant based on the latest class.


Not sure i understand this correctly - does that mean each post you make must have an entry, AND some other original piece you have created earlier?

Please clarify.
Thanks

[meta87]

Hi Rebeccak!

This looks great. I am working on these opposing curves, and would like to delve even deeper into this subject. Do you know of any figure drawing books that address this? I have several books. Figure Drawing for All Its Worth, Drawing the Head and the Figure, Human Anatomy Made Amazingly Easy, and a couple others, but don't really see anything on the subject. Although I admit that it could be in there somewhere since I haven't looked extremely thoroughly.

If not could you answer a couple questions for me? :)

Are there times when a paranthesis type shape is acceptable or should this be avoided at all costs? There are times when I am drawing from a photo (Since I can't find any live models :( ) and I see pretty symmetrical curves and have a hard time avoiding them.

Thanks for any input you have!

[Rebeccak]

scorpion007 wrote:

>Not sure i understand this correctly - does that mean each post you make must have an entry, AND some other original piece you have created earlier?

Sorry for the confusion! All that you need post is a drawing that relates to the current topic. I would prefer that you post something you've done specifically for this thread.

Thanks!
~Rebeccak

[seth1]

Hey Rebecca, I will get on these drawings. Will try to get a couple pages done tomorow. Thanks for the inspo...

[meta87]

Well here are a couple of my better opposing curve drawings. Thanks for all the help Rebeccak!

http://www.cooltechprojects.com/sketches/7-4-05-1.jpg
http://www.cooltechprojects.com/sketches/7-4-05-2.jpg
http://www.cooltechprojects.com/sketches/7-4-05-3.jpg

The front foot on the last picture needs some serious help. lol.

Anyway I'll keep working on this! :)

[NOOB!]

yaaAAY! new lesson.

[GZ]

New lesson sounds good ,
I'll post my skeches soon .

Thanks....:thumbsup:

[FromanylanD]

http://www.animation-fromanyland.com/imgshow/torsoCurves01.jpg

Colors scanned a little weird...10-20 mins. Could be more focused on the curves...is it still ok to post more than one drawing?

http://www.garrionstudio.f9.co.uk/maletorso.jpg

EDIT: 'nother one...

http://www.animation-fromanyland.com/imgshow/torsoCurves02.jpg

http://www.garrionstudio.f9.co.uk/femaletorso.jpg

[seth1]

Hmmm! I will do lots more tomorow... To late..
http://img223.echo.cx/img223/1559/curves3qj.jpg

[commodore]

English is not my natural language so I can't understand a thing about opposing curves. I got it like this: I can't do curves like this ( ) I have to differ them so they woudn't look like mirrored, something like this http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9568/shiznlick2am.jpg? It's so confusing http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/sad.gif.

[Cyborgguineapig]

English is not my natural language so I can't understand a thing about opposing curves. I got it like this: I can't do curves like this ( ) I have to differ them so they woudn't look like mirrored, something like this http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9568/shiznlick2am.jpg? It's so confusing http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/sad.gif.


If you are doing http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9568/shiznlick2am.jpgthen you are doing it correct:thumbsup:

[FromanylanD]

I believe you're correct, commodore.

Rebecca, I have a question. How exactly does this concept of opposing curves work, practically? Should we be drawing a certain way? Or just working normally and simply taking note of the curves?

[Rebeccak]

meta87 wrote:

>Do you know of any figure drawing books that address this? I have several books.

Hey, meta87, good to see you back! There is a book whose name I will research for you and post as soon as I find it.

>Are there times when a paranthesis type shape is acceptable or should this be avoided at all costs? There are times when I am drawing from a photo (Since I can't find any live models :( ) and I see pretty symmetrical curves and have a hard time avoiding them.

If you're just putting in lines for the lay-in/gesture and are noting the edges of any width of the body ~ be it arm, leg, torso, wrist, etc. ~ it's fine. But I've really never seen ( ) curves work well. If you see in the body curves which are not much offset, exaggerate them a bit...I think it will help to improve a drawing.

[Rebeccak]

seth1 ~ thanks for the post!

meta87 ~ wow ~ I think these are a big improvement over the last set of gesture sketches which you did. I'll review these soon.

Gordon Freeman ~ cool! looking forward to your posts :)

FromanylanD: Great! Looking good so far. Post your best drawings. So long as you feel the drawings which you post show improvement, I would post them :)

Seth1 ~ the torso in the upper right corner is really getting there ~ later I'll post something about emphasizing the apexes of curves.

commodore ~ I'm sorry! I will try to post more drawings to explain :) It's cool to have an international group of peers...

Cyborgguineapig: thanks!

FromanylanD wrote:
>How exactly does this concept of opposing curves work, practically? Should we be drawing a certain way? Or just working normally and simply taking note of the curves?

Thanks for the question ~ I would say, when looking at the figure, DECIDE IN ADVANCE where the MOST IMPORTANT CURVES are ~ and draw them SIMPLY, as in the Gesture Drawings. Put one curve down, then it's opposing curve, and work your way down the figure, using a rhythmic back and forth motion of your pencil that addresses both sides of the body with equal measure.

Do NOT completely draw ONE side of the body, and then, the other side.

Instead, work the figure ONE set of Opposing Curves at a time ~ create form just with these Curves as you work down the body.

Hope this helps!

Thanks for the posts, guys! :)
~Rebeccak

[NOOB!]

this is mega hard! arrrghhh!!

.......*sumtime later*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/noobeene/psin.jpg

heres my quick attempt...

if ur gunna ask me what shez doin,the answer will be *F**K KNOWS*,just ur regular neked spasticated woman.just wanted to experience curvation in a more dynamic way.:D

forgive me for not having ref or any visual ades.

[sphere]

Yay, I finally got my scanner working! Here's a quick sketch I made.

http://www.shanerichards.com/cgtalk/curve_01.jpg

[Rebeccak]

NOOB and sphere,

These posts are really impressive ~ keep up the good work!! If you decide to post even better sketches or updates of drawings using Opposing Curves, please do so.

Thanks! :)

~Rebeccak

[NOOB!]

i can't see spheres

am i the only one?

[Rebeccak]

NOOB, I can see sphere's post...

~Rebeccak

[Mirwen]

I can't see it as well:shrug:(I mean the work of sphere)

[default-rol]

Dont worry NOOB and Mirwen - I cant see Spheres drawing for some reason also! Tried it in two seperate browsers too. Perhaps its just an "European" thing! :D

I will try to get some stuff on-line in the next few days for this. Still trying to sort out how it works in my own head! :argh:

[Rebeccak]

Guys, are you able to see this? (sphere's post):

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_II_OPPOSING%20CURVES/sphere_OC_1.jpg

Thanks!

~Rebeccak

[artemesia66]

well, i didn't get a chance to submit in round 1, but here's my opposing curves. my reference is robertB_2_0129.jpg on 3d.sdk, which i can't repost, but if anyone's interested, you can at least see the thumbnail.

[Rebeccak]

artemesia66 ~

thank you for posting! I look forward to seeing more of your work :)

~Rebeccak

[default-rol]

I can see it (spheres artwork) now you re-posted it. Thx Rebecca.

[NOOB!]

i see spheres now,nice attempt sphere.

[Slurry]

Great stuff everyone.

Rebecca,

Thanks for posting these lectures/lessons. It really breaks down the fundamentals of drawing the human form in a way that is easy (for me anyway) to follow.

Art

[Rebeccak]

*****EDIT: CONCERNING COMMENTS/CRITICISM AND DRAW-OVERS*****


Everyone,

I'd like to emphasize that I am not the only person "permitted" on this thread to give feeback...for those of you with more experience, please offer comments and critiques when people post their work, so long as your comments are CONSTRUCTIVE, SENSITIVE, and KIND ~ so far, everyones' have been :) ~ thank you!


RULES FOR CORRECTING OTHERS' DRAWINGS:

EDIT: I would recommend the following: IF YOU DO NOT MIND OTHERS CRITIQUING YOUR WORK AND DOING DRAW-OVERS ON YOUR DRAWINGS, STATE THIS ON YOUR POST, in other words write:"I do not mind others' critique/draw-overs of my drawings".

CAVEAT: However, if NOTHING is stated on your original post of your drawing, we will assume that permission has been granted by the artist to do a critique/redraw of your work. So, if a re-draw/draw-over of your work really bugs you, then STATE: DO NOT DO A DRAW-OVER OF MY WORK on your original post.

I'm sure in most cases that people will be more than happy to receive advice and suggestions, as there are far more drawings here than I can review and revise single-handedly.

PLEASE BE COURTEOUS AND SENSITIVE when making corrections, and respect the feelings of the artist whose work you are correcting or for which you are making suggestions.

I think that having more experienced participants ~ you know who you are ~ help out by reviewing peoples' work and offering suggestions will definitely strengthen this thread and the learning curves of others as well as your own.

Thank You! Keep up the good work! :)

~Rebeccak

[RO]

WOW!!! 3 pages already!

See rebeccak how a new area is needed. :)

I got to get and do some.

[Rebeccak]

Yep, I'm tickled pink that people are interested in this...I'm super happy the group from the first lesson is sticking around, and I really look forward to seeing new posts! :bounce:

~Rebeccak

[NOOB!]

i'll try and crit other work,but i still don't feel confident enough with my own work to be crittin others,so i might just leave it to the pros!

whens the new sub forum coming!! WE WANT IT NOW!!! *or whenever it can made*

[Somhairle]

Well, I'm in! This is a great second lesson Rebbeca! and I'm sure one that will help propel everyones level and understanding. it's great you summed up in a couple of minutes reading what teachers spent +/- 2 weeks trying to explain to the class when I was in college.

Thats a great sign already for your teaching skills! Keep it up Ms. Kimmel!

@ everyone:
maybe another thing would be to actually post a link to your reference (if it exists) as well as your artwork, so that others can compare how you did. it will help to give a more "classroom" feel here. just a thought!

I'll post something later....busy at the moment. :)

- Somhairle

[Rebeccak]

NOOB,

you are completely free to take your best shot ~ I'm sure people will appreciate your comments/criticisms! If you feel more comfortable, just make verbal criticisms. All feedback is welcome :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Somhairle wrote:

>maybe another thing would be to actually post a link to your reference (if it exists) as well as your artwork, so that others can compare how you did. it will help to give a more "classroom" feel here. just a thought!

Thanks for the suggestion, Somhairle! ~ I wish I did have reference, but the figure drawing (the one which is under the heading "Here is an example of a drawing of a torso which I recently created that employs the use of OPPOSING CURVES" is from a live model, of whom I did not take a picture.

However, later on this week (hopefully soon) I will post more demos/examples of using Opposing Curves with Reference from the Web.

Thanks, and I look forward to your posts!

~Rebeccak

[Somhairle]

hahaha lol - I meant everybody else to post their ref....but since you mentioned it that would be really cool too!

- Somhairle

[Rebeccak]

Doh! Right! That's a great idea, too! :D

~Rebeccak

[NoirQ]

Get in early so it can get lsot in the sea of posts :D gave it a go, i still have some horrendous bits i think, the lower arm is like, a nightmare for me. I just kept having () :/ anywho, heres an early attempt. i got the characters left arm wrong, i wasnt happy with it at all, and the right one, i thought the elbow was waaay to low.

ref was:
http://www.prometheus-imports.com/g-aphrodite-knidos-mb-l.jpg

ignore the hands :D tiny tiny hand :)
Sidenote- I found a pencil! :D its a bog standrd hb, as all my artsy pencils are 100 miles away. :D

Great thread, before this (and well, the last one) i had never thought of the opposing curves. but now, knowing about it, i can see them on pictures and people, and thats something i had not noticed before :)

Keep up the good wrk everyone.

[Rebeccak]

NoirQ,

No worries, that's what practice is for. I frankly consider Drawing to be a rather ornerous and difficult but rewarding task that has taken me a LONG time to feel moderately comfortable with. I think the reason I keep coming back to it is the challenge of thinking that I can get better, even though it isn't easy...I'm sure everyone here can relate to that! :)

~Rebeccak

[skipstah70]

Hi ... Just wanted to say what an awesome idea this thread is. Good job Rebecca... you know what you're doing alright!

S

[NOOB!]

NOIR ,heres NOOB!'s input on ur post

You seem to be placing curves in willy nilly without actually thinking.Rebecca isn't saying make everything curved,shes saying its a technique that can be used to create form in certain areas.

look at the actual ref and compare it to your sketch,i think u took it a little extreme,don't you? instead of going straight into it,think about where the opposing curves will be needed,and think about her GESTURE too,don't forget what u've learned from the previous lessons now :deal: .


AHHHHH! i sound like a teacher,sumone slap me.lol

hope to see another attempt soon,hope i didn't discourage you.

Sphere,u seem to have gone the opposite way of Noir,and i hardly see a dynamic use of curves,to me ur figure looks pretty stiff? but its still a nice attempt.:thumbsup:

ugh! i need work on sum more now.

edit: oh and fromy,i have nothing to say to u,i hate u,ur too good.just like rebecca,i hate u both ggggrr!

[Xillion]

Edit: added study #13

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8383/ar0021small7qx.jpg (http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9980/ar0021new4ai.jpg)



(http://www.imageshack.us/)

[Rebeccak]

Xillion ~

Woo! Nice! Can't wait to review this one...definitely post updates... :)

EDIT: Michelangelo is THE person from whom to study Opposing Curves ~ he is the master of them. I would recommend for anyone to study from his works ~ to draw from his Drawings, Paintings, Frescoes, or Sculptures.

EDIT 2: Note the interesting part about using Opposing Curves: Did you have to know the name of every bone, muscle, and tendon to create this drawing? NO.

Thanks for sharing this! :)

~Rebeccak

[Zephyri]

Okay, picked up the courage to post! I hope I got the right end of the stick here, drawing the opposing sides of the body sections is how I draw without reference most of the time, so I'm not sur eif what I'm doing is right! The two cleaner lined drawings were done from photographic reference, the scribblier of the two were based on a couple of gestures I picked at random from the sheets I'd produced over the past few days, and have no other reference than my sketchy knowledge of what lies beneath. Thanks again to you Rebecca, these exercises are helping me tremendously. I've already noticed that the ribcage on the female form is probably leaning to far forward to make it believable and the neck on the male scribbly isn't quite connected right.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/cgtalk%20images/anatomyoppcurves.jpg

[NoirQ]

You seem to be placing curves in willy nilly without actually thinking.Rebecca isn't saying make everything curved,shes saying its a technique that can be used to create form in certain areas.
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hmm, yeah, i can see that. good point :) i shall go back to it. :)
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hope to see another attempt soon,hope i didn't discourage you.

its fine :D i can assure you you haven't :) is nice to be given advice :)

[NOOB!]

those are sum pretty sha-weet drawings zep.

hey thanks noir for listening.

grr now i can't see xillions drawings

[Redpoly]

yes, yes, yes:bounce: great idea
quick sketch

http://www.ibz.pl/test/1.JPG

[Rebeccak]

Zepyhri,

Nice, nice, nice, nice, nice.

I rather like the *scribblier* :) ones ~ I think they are a lot more expressive and interesting than the *cleaner* ones. I REALLY like the two far right sketches ~ and I think it is a GREAT idea to draw from previously done sketches ~ these give you something to go on besides pure imagination, but you have to THINK a lot more to make the drawings work.

Thanks for posting these ~ I can tell this will be a great session! :)

EDIT: Redpoly ~ Rockin'! Keep posting!

EDIT 2: Go Xillion!!

~Rebeccak

[FromanylanD]

Thanks for the question ~ I would say, when looking at the figure, DECIDE IN ADVANCE where the MOST IMPORTANT CURVES are ~ and draw them SIMPLY, as in the Gesture Drawings. Put one curve down, then it's opposing curve, and work your way down the figure, using a rhythmic back and forth motion of your pencil that addresses both sides of the body with equal measure.

Do NOT completely draw ONE side of the body, and then, the other side.

Instead, work the figure ONE set of Opposing Curves at a time ~ create form just with these Curves as you work down the body.

Hope this helps!

Thanks for the posts, guys! :)
~Rebeccak


Thanks :)

I should have gathered that from the original post, but it didn't click for some reason.

Post your best drawings. So long as you feel the drawings which you post show improvement, I would post them :)

I'll do a few more...they'll be more on topic if nothing else.

[AdrielaSakamoto]

my posting to the lesson.
edit: added reference photo

[Rebeccak]

FromanylanD,

DEFINITELY post. Don't just slide thru ~ even you can benefit from this! :)

AdrielaSakamoto,

Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. I'll start to review peoples' work tonight or tomorrow.
But of course people have all week to post their work, and I'll continue to review.


Keep it coming! :thumbsup:

~Rebeccak

[AdrielaSakamoto]

Noir, When I saw your sketch I was reminded of some of Ruben's work, in the style and execution. (The Assumption of the Virgin, for example and some others I cannot locate) http://www.myamericanartist.com/americanartist/drawing/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000928783

Opps.. meant to say: The curves, in abundance, lend a dynamic feel to what would other wise be a very static piece. I like the feel of it a lot, and I like that you leaped in and just went for it. You'll find your feet soon that way.

Given the photographic quality of your reference, I think you did very well with it. I couldn't have made heads or tails of it, myself. May I suggest this site for some great sculptural references if you are leaning in that direction. (they don't move, that's for sure!)

http://www.thais.it/scultura/default_uk.htm

Keep going. The best way to learn to draw, is to.. well.. draw!
Best,
A

[Redpoly]

next sketch for this lesson...

http://www.ibz.pl/test/2.JPG

[NOOB!]

next sketch for this lesson...

http://www.ibz.pl/test/2.JPG


ooooooooooooh,excellentness

[augustus]

Ok, here is mine:

http://august.f2o.org/temp/curves01.jpg

[NOOB!]

is it me or is the area from his chest to his waist a tad too long?

but damn,still impressive curvation.

[Rebeccak]

AdrielaSakamoto wrote:

>NoirQ, When I saw your sketch I was reminded of some of Ruben's work, in the style and execution. (The Assumption of the Virgin, for example and some others I cannot locate) http://www.myamericanartist.com/ame...t_id=1000928783 (http://www.myamericanartist.com/americanartist/drawing/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000928783)

Opps.. meant to say: The curves, in abundance, lend a dynamic feel to what would other wise be a very static piece. I like the feel of it a lot, and I like that you leaped in and just went for it. You'll find your feet soon that way.

Given the photographic quality of your reference, I think you did very well with it. I couldn't have made heads or tails of it, myself. May I suggest this site for some great sculptural references if you are leaning in that direction. (they don't move, that's for sure!)

http://www.thais.it/scultura/default_uk.htm (http://www.thais.it/scultura/default_uk.htm)

Keep going. The best way to learn to draw, is to.. well.. draw!
Best,
A

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Adriela and NoirQ ~

Some great thoughts and feedback here! Thank you both for posting. I agree that the best way to learn to draw is to draw...A LOT. I have just tons of sketchpads and newsprint pads that are just itching to be composted...but somehow, I can't bring myself to send them off...

For folks who are relatively new to drawing ~ and I think that even those with a lot of experience can learn something through practicing these exercises ~ I should say that I've been actively attempting to learn how to draw for 10 years. This is NOT counting the years I spent as a kid doodling and drawing unicorns *ahem* but only takes into account the number of years I spent in college and afterwards seriously trying to learn how to draw.

There is an old maxim about drawing that we heard in art school constantly that went: It takes 10 years to learn how to draw ~ 7 if you're a genius.

I'm going on 10 years of serious drawing, am no genius, and I still have miles to go...

Food for thought :)

[Art2]

grr now i can't see xillions drawings

I thought I was the only one who's missing a lot of pictures, I thought it was my browser.

Great sketches guys, Augustus great shading and form.
Redpoly, that is sweet too. He even has a small pot-belly, good job.

[RobertoOrtiz]

Hi guys, I just wanted to pay a visit to say hi.
Becca is doing awesome, and I have to admit that the community is very proud and happy of her efforts.


I also wanted to thank to all who have posted their artwork so far. And if you are afraid to post, please dont be.

The people here are great and Becca is an awesome teacher.


And (hey I have to plug my stuff)
all of you are invited to please join us at

CGTalk Daily Sketch Forum (http://www.cgtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=130)

-R

[NoirQ]

Noir, When I saw your sketch I was reminded of some of Ruben's work, in the style and execution. (The Assumption of the Virgin, for example and some others I cannot locate) http://www.myamericanartist.com/americanartist/drawing/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000928783

Opps.. meant to say: The curves, in abundance, lend a dynamic feel to what would other wise be a very static piece. I like the feel of it a lot, and I like that you leaped in and just went for it. You'll find your feet soon that way.

Given the photographic quality of your reference, I think you did very well with it. I couldn't have made heads or tails of it, myself. May I suggest this site for some great sculptural references if you are leaning in that direction. (they don't move, that's for sure!)

http://www.thais.it/scultura/default_uk.htm

Keep going. The best way to learn to draw, is to.. well.. draw!
Best,
A

Thanks, those links will be very useful! :) I spent a while looking for pictures of sculptures, with not much luck, so thanks :) On a brief aside, i did doole a brief layout first, its just its on a sperate piece of paper. i then formed it from that, with modifications. odd, but it works for me :)

Thanks for the posts everyone :)

[seth1]

I have not touched a tablet in months, so hear is attempt in Open canvas. Heh dont plan on using tablet much any more i love the feel of pencil way more....
http://img94.echo.cx/img94/7346/untitled97lv.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Wow, wow, wow! Lots of great stuff going on here! I can't wait to start reviewing...this should be fun. Thanks for your posts, guys!!! :)

EDIT:

NOOB wrote:
>is it me or is the area from his chest to his waist a tad too long?

Hmm, I wouldn't have noticed this right off, but I think you may be right...however, the overall piece is really, really nice...I am impressed to see so much great work! This is really becoming amazing!

~Rebeccak

[NOOB!]

jeez,i'm the only one apart from art2 that can't seem to load sum of the images in this thread?

[Rebeccak]

Who else is having problems viewing images?

NOOB, can you still see the image I hosted earlier of sphere's post?

EDIT: Xillion is a monster! Wow, really like that last piece!

Thanks! :)
~Rebeccak

[NOOB!]

yeh i can view ur images just fine.

but certain members when they post it just doesn't show,or it has a red x.

other people have had the same,maybe its my pc,i'm not sure.nevermind me for now.

[Rebeccak]

NOOB!

No worries ~ I think a lot of people are posting and also updating their images ~ hence the red x's. I would wait til the thread cools a bit and people have posted their work ~ then everyone's should be visible, assuming their links aren't TRULY broken.

Xillion has updated his images several times (which is fine), so that is probably why at certain times his posts have not been visible...

I've also been editing a lot of my posts, so, meh, who knows :shrug: Web stuff! Meh!

Thanks, NOOB :)

~Rebeccak

[NOOB!]

stupid digital age...go away.

hehe.

i'm gunna post sum newness after i finish that *mission of the surreal* painting i'm working on.hope this thread goes well,seems that way already!

[Rebeccak]

G'luck, NOOB :) Let me know if you need any help...tho from the looks of things, you know what you're doing :)

~Rebeccak

[seth1]

Wow, this thread is rolling wicked stuff! I like the pencil way more. I feel like i am more in control of it then a tablet....

reference links are 1. http://www.prometheus-imports.com/g-male-torso-bb-l.jpg
2. http://www.prometheus-imports.com/g-youth-marathon-bb-l.jpg

Drawings
http://img18.echo.cx/img18/2404/curves21ac.jpg

[bandersnatch]

ack double post

[bandersnatch]

my attempts. i like the last on the most.

1 (http://www.elbandersnatcho.com/curves/opposing-curves-1.jpg)
2 (http://www.elbandersnatcho.com/curves/opposing-curves-2.jpg)
3 (http://www.elbandersnatcho.com/curves/opposing-curves-3.jpg)
4 (http://www.elbandersnatcho.com/curves/opposing-curves-4.jpg)
5 (http://www.elbandersnatcho.com/curves/opposing-curves-5.jpg)
6 (http://www.elbandersnatcho.com/curves/opposing-curves-6.jpg)

[stipick_S]

I like to tell stories. It is unfortunate for others that I do, because that usually means they have to listen to them. Why am I telling you this. Well, because I am going to tell you fine folks one. Its quick I promise.

I have never reeally thought of the human body as having offset curves. It really is a great way to observe the figure. Upon reading Reb.'s recent thread (this one) I came to the conclusion that this was big news, a great tid bit of info.. So naturally I was interested to see how this related to organic objects. As I was running errands this morning and I looked around (trees were my favorite) I really noticed this theory in effect. "This is huge" I thought to myself. Everywhere I would gaze this theory was evident.Everwhere i looked I saw those offset curves. "man" i thought "my next drawing of trees is gonna rock" This was just like the time I first set eyes on a live Parrish work. I was breathless, dumbfounded, then when I researched his techniques I began to see the world as if it was a parrish painting, a very inspiring experience, one of only a few I have had, including this one. However, I was not done. I had to see if some of the greats had observed this thoery, not just in the figure, but elsewhere.
I trucked off to UArts library, the first book I grabbed was of the great Bruegel the elder, sure enough there were those curves, in his trees, mountains, figures, they were everywhere! Next up was Rubens, there were those curves again! Raphael...more curves, Michelangelo...curves, leonardo...curves and the list goes on and on! Today was an elightening day, huge, monumental! I can only hope that those fo you who have tried this theory out realize just how wonderfull it is! Thanks again, Rebecca!


Okay here are some silverpoint exercises on the topic of offset curves. Bits and pieces are really disapointing, I'll post a few more of better quality shortly.

Shaun

p.s. bandersnatch, that first one is a beaut.! Redpoly, you have some good volume in your sketches!

[Rebeccak]

Wow wow wow! Thank you very much, stipick_S!!

Man, the work being posted is phenomenol ~ and I have to say ~ looking at the work of stipick_S, I have to say ~ Go stipick_S ~ it's your birthday! (Yeah, that last comment will make NO sense anywhere else but the US - but suffice it to say that your drawings are really, really nice_.

And I think the same of the other drawings posted today. Whew! Lotsa work to do! Better get crackin'...

Thanks everyone! Keep up the posting! This helps everyone! :)

~Rebeccak

[Mirwen]

RebeccaK: I asked in the first thread something. I see it was too late (sorry) , so I am asking once again if you don't mind.

what was it you said you have some design stuff? Where can I find it?:drool: I love graphic design!

To one thread (one lesson) - should we post one or more sketches (or all sketches)?:curious: (misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#)

Than - should we post daily?:curious: (misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#)

New lesson - does it mean that we should be doing both daily gestural sketches and those new thingies?:curious: (misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#)

to all - I am really amazed by quality of work in this new lesson - It means I am quite shy right now to post my works because of that:blush: (misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=0#)

[stipick_S]

Thanks I appreciate the compliment rebecca. My head just swelled up and I fell out of my seat... cant get up...feet flopping around in the air!

Shaun

To mirwen, I have watched these forums for a long time. For years i have observed and in that time I have posted only 4 times. Twice in this thread, and never have I posted any work, till now. I emplore you, please post, dont be shy, this is a learning thread and you may find you are a lot better than you believe. I understand that sometimes it can be intimidating! Dont let it get to you, jump right in and do it! It is fun!

[default-rol]

Hi all -

Heres my first go at the new topic. Its a bit laboured I'm afraid.
Can someone PLEASE sort out "DAVID's" hand in front of his face - the perspective is driving me nuts! (I spent as much time on that hand as the rest of the image, it's too small and has no form even after countless re-draws - I just couldn't nail it.):scream:

The reference is off a google image search for "Michelangelo."

Anyway here it is...

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5282/michelangelosdavid5ld.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Mirwen wrote:

>RebeccaK: I asked in the first thread something. I see it was too late (sorry) , so I am asking once again if you don't mind.

Mirwen, no problem! I missed your post ~ sorry about that! Glad to see you here! :)

>what was it you said you have some design stuff? Where can I find it?:drool: I love graphic design!

Gack! In fact, I am working on my Website tonight with a friend. I am hoping it will be up in a few days to a week :) Please stay tuned.

WARNING: I am not a trained Graphic Designer! I really love Design, but my major was Illustration, and I'm sure this is obvious :) ~ I consider myself more of a Multimedia Designer whose main experience of all things digital has come through work and not (undergraduate) school. So, I'll have some stuff on my site that is "Design" related ~ you can be the 'teacher' then ;)

>To one thread (one lesson) - should we post one or more sketches (or all sketches)?

You may post several sketches ~ but use your best judgement as to how many. If you post an initial sketch, then begin to improve as the lesson progresses, PLEASE DO post improved sketches. However, I would limit the number to maybe 5-8 MAXIMUM, so the thread is not overwhelmed.

>Then - should we post daily?

Post as often as you like, so long as you do not post more than 5-8 MAXIMUM.

>New lesson - does it mean that we should be doing both daily gestural sketches and those new thingies?

Should the new Sub-Forum "Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Drawing" under WIP start ~ which I hope it will :) ~ I would like to have a whole THREAD FOR GESTURE DRAWINGS. However, due to the constraints of this thread, I would like to keep the focus on ONE TOPIC PER LESSON / THREAD.
By no means stop doing GESTURE Drawings because of this ~ please continue to do them! ~ in fact, you may want to continue to do GESTURE DRAWINGS and save them to be posted at a later date should the "Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Drawing" Sub-Forum begin!

>to all - I am really amazed by quality of work in this new lesson - It means I am quite shy right now to post my works because of that

POST YOUR WORK. Let me say this again...POST YOUR WORK!!

Thanks Mirwen!

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

stipick_S,

lol! Mirwen, I could not agree more. I think there is a NOOBIE REVOLUTION going on here.

Our mantra: POST! POST! POST! POST! :)

~Rebeccak

[NoirQ]

hell, if i can do it, you can post dude :P i'm sure noone will eat you :D

[Rebeccak]

NoirQ~

Exactly the right attitude!

:)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

stipick_S, in his great story, has given me an idea:

Don't get carried away, but:

POST YOUR SIGHTINGS OF OFFSET CURVES IN NATURE OR IN MASTER DRAWINGS:



Unlike the Lochness Monster, OFFSET CURVES can be seen EVERYWHERE IN NATURE.

Only if you want to:

POST 1 (ONE) EXAMPLE OF OFFSET CURVES YOU FIND IN NATURE OR IN A MASTER DRAWING.

Let's see who can find the most dramatic examples...

NOTE: This should NOT replace posting your DRAWINGS.

Thanks everyone!

~Rebeccak

[sphere]

Rebecca, have you got any tips on keeping lines really clean? I have a habit of going over my drawings too much, usually because I find I am not happy with my first line.

[Xillion]

Whoa! This thread is making me happy and keeping me busy ;)...but it's Time to go to bed now so... Good night to all ;) and see you tomorrow!

[Rebeccak]

Sphere wrote:

>have you got any tips on keeping lines really clean? I have a habit of going over my drawings too much, usually because I find I am not happy with my first line.

Sphere, it depends on the medium which you are using to a degree. I have gotten rather Photoshop / Wacom pen - happy as a direct result of revising folks' drawings on this thread ~ but I can tell you how I was trained traditionally, and maybe that will shed a bit of light on the inquiry...

Back in the day, when I walked to school with no shoes in the snow...

We basically learned to draw using clean, sweeping strokes of charcoal pencil. We were NOT allowed to erase (or erase much). This may seem strict or stupid, but in fact it helps you to concentrate on not making as many "mistakes".

I would always recommend drawing with single strokes in ONE direction - be it up or down, or sideways. I would NOT recommend drawing across the page "sketch" style, where one moves the pencil/pen eratically across the page/tablet. Your hand literally "forgets" where it was and what it was doing, and your drawing loses cohesion (and beauty) as a result.

If you are using Photoshop (or Painter) I would NOT recommend ERASING as a method of Drawing ~ that, I believe, is a PAINTING technique, and, when used to DRAW, enables you to cheat in an unhealthy way. The purpose of learning to DRAW is to be able to express what you see quickly and economically, without having to PAINT everything laboriously to achieve Form and Expression.

Just to RECAP:

DRAW IN ONE DIRECTION, and NOT ERRATICALLY.
THINK ABOUT WHAT LINE YOU CHOOSE TO EXPRESS AND DO NOT LET YOUR HAND GO ON AUTO - PILOT.
Hope this helps :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

sphere,

Here is an example of what I meant about drawing SMOOTH LINES IN ONE DIRECTION ~ NOT DRAWING SKETCHY LINES:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_II_OPPOSING%20CURVES/Smooth_vs_Sketch_Lines_smal.jpg

Hope this helps :)

~Rebeccak

[RO]

First post... I know it is not a figure but hey you got to practice hands sometimes :)

Blue quick drawing and brown is more controlled.

edit: Yeah that is my hand :)

http://onlinewarriors.beyondunreal.com/RandomStuff/Figure1-8.jpg

[Darktwin]

As I was getting ready to post a study my scanner went kaput, so I'm out of action for the mean time, but I wanted to post some studies I did not to long ago, they sort of apply to the curves. This is very disappointing, this is why I can't wait to get my wacom tablet. Here it is.

I'd also like to add, I really am enjoying everyones hard work and effort, everyone keep up the great work. Its truely motivating and inspiring, thanks again Rebeccak.

http://onajii.com/d_sketches/profile2.jpg

[stipick_S]

One last post for today and this lesson, I'll keep practicing though.

[sphere]

Thanks very much for that Rebecca! That was very helpful. I will practice some more and apply that technique.

stipick_S, very nice work!

[ayaegi]

Thanks for running these lessons, Rebecca! I've already begun to realise how little I understand about anatomy.

Here's a start from me - the most basic curves. I'm going to come back to it and add the sub curves (arm muscles, etc.). I had to add the hair or else the arm position was kind of silly looking. Everyone is doing such inspiring work, I'm definitely going to follow these lessons.

http://qlink.queensu.ca/~3ea1/art/curves_1.jpg

[Somhairle]

@ stipick_S:

WOW! I really love that sketch of the over-weight woman at the bottom of your first post! ex-cel-lent!

some really great stuff guys and gals!

- Somhairle

[ashrumm]

Here is something i did a little while back I thought it pertained to lesson 2. Let me just say that I really love Conte crayon and after viewing your work Rebecca I love it even more.

http://onajii.com/a_sketches/torso_studycopyright.jpg

[stipick_S]

ashrumm...oooh, thats good. Loving it! It's like Turner meets Frans Hals. Very cool.Desp. Nice hand. I appreciate the forshortening.

This is a follow up to rebeccas post about finding curves in a master's drawing. This piece is apollo by Raphael.

[Rebeccak]

Great, great posts, everyone.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND DOING WHAT stipick_S DID IN HIS MOST RECENT POST: TRACE OVER A MASTER DRAWING / S TO FIND THE OPPOSING CURVES.

NOTHING WILL IMPROVE YOUR DRAWING SKILLS LIKE LOOKING AT AND COPYING FROM THE WORKS OF THE OLD MASTERS ~ EVEN IF YOU BEGIN BY TRACING THEM.

Desp#2/Rog, nice hand drawing ~ but we'll get to those later ;) ~ for the time being, I think it's better to concentrate on the whole figure. BIG PICTURE first, details later...:).

Darktwin, thanks for submitting these ~ they are lovely drawings, but more ANATOMICAL STUDIES than Drawings which focus on Opposing Curves ~ so I look forward to seeing your new posts once your scanner is back online ;).

ayaegi, thank you for posting :) ~ I agree, the work is very inspiring, and that is the true purpose behind this thread ~ to inspire and be inspired! I hope you continue to post your work :) ~ bear in mind that you can post 5-8 pieces MAXIMUM, so feel free to post new work as it is created :).

ashrumm, nice, nice, nice drawing. I love to see work with this kind of emotional quality to it ~ and by emotional quality, I am not speaking of an angst-ridden drawing with dark black lines and scribbles, but exactly what you have here ~ a sensitively rendered piece which clearly shows your attention to both detail and emotional pitch...great to see!

Everyone,
Inspiring to see so much good work going on...keep it up, and keep posting your new results :)

~Rebeccak

[RO]

Rebeccak your linked post that got pluged in the main fourm page has a bad link. It does not go to this thread but some random thread.

Edit: Ill get into people again on the next post :)

[Somhairle]

well, I've been playing with some gestures to losen up a little, and *trying* to keep some life in this lessons line work. Here is my third atempt at "David", by Bernini Gian Lorenzo.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/dreoilin/samblake_David_03.jpg

reference:
http://www.thais.it/scultura/image/sch00006.htm

I've been playing a lot trying to get some decent brushes in painter. All I need now is a better graphics tablet! :)

- Somhairle

[Rebeccak]

Desp#2/Rog,

THANK YOU. The front page link is being fixed as we speak.

Somhairle: :applause:

Beauty shot. Nice. Please post more like these. I've seen that statue in person, and am a HUGE fan of Bernini. Congrats on an excellent piece.

One crit: HIS left leg is a little funny. Want to SAVE this version, and give HIS left leg another shot? Just a suggestion :)

~Rebeccak

[RobertoOrtiz]

The offending link has been fixed, and the guilty party has been taken outside and shot.


-R

[CiaranM]

Hi!
Thanks so much for your lessons! Rebecca, you don't happen to know a guy named Steven Gaffney who teaches illustration at SVA in New York? He has a very similar style of teaching to you, as in opposing lines etc. Taught me a whole lot - not just how to draw a little, but also how to see the lines and shapes in the subject. Thanks for sharing. I'll contribute soon!

[scorpion007]

Here's my first of (hopefully) more :)
50% size.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2665/poses046et.jpg

I already noticed some incorrect things, but oh well, feel free to crit all you want.

Heres the full size ref: http://www.abcgallery.com/M/michelangelo/michelangelo37.html

[naresh]

hi ...itz realy very good stuf for those who are realy wanted to understand the anatomy....thanks

[scorpion007]

great work everyone!

Here is my curve study: (used someone's ref image)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7629/curvestudy15fu.jpg


Also - BTW: Rebecca, remember when you recommended that book "Albinus on Anatomy"? Well i check my local bookstore and they had a book by that title, but by different authors.
The ones you wrote were Robert Beverly Hale & Terence Coyle, but the one they had was by Bernhard Siegfried Albinus. Is it the same thing? I checked amazon, seems to be similar, i think the only difference is the paper/hardback according to amazon? But why different authors?

Anyway.. keep up all the great work all.

[FromanylanD]

http://www.animation-fromanyland.com/imgshow/torsoCurves03.jpg

Source #1: http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_II_OPPOSING%20CURVES/torso_demo_300dpi_small_FUL.jpg

Source #2: http://figuredrawings.com/figure02.jpg

Trying to focus more on the curves...try to ignore the poor line quality...should I pay more attention to the larger curves, and less to the curves within the form?

'Nother question Rebecca...any thoughts on the technique I'm kinda sorta using, doing a rough pass in colored pencil and then a finer dark pass? (Actually, none of the drawings I've posted really show how I'd normally use this technique..on the first two the underlying pass is too dark, and the above drawings are just...unusual.) Is this more suited to design, or do you think it's fine for life drawing? (Of course anything's really fine in the long run...but I mean, is it putting me at a disadvantage in learning figure drawing/anatomy)?

EDIT: the technique appeals to me, and I've used it a lot...but I guess it's safer and less raw than other mediums/methods. I think I'll do the next ones in charcoal or graphite stick, but I'd still like to know what your opinion of it is.

[eggsrgood]

First of all a huge thanks to Rebecca, you're an amazing teacher. I think maybe some donations should be in order for all the time you've put in:D. I've never had any lessons before but the lessons here so far have been a huge help. The talent here is very inspiring
http://users.tpg.com.au/wildrice/Pics/lesson_2.jpg

[naresh]

can ay one tell me how to upload my drawings ...plzzz

[Rebeccak]

stipick_S ~

Thank you for posting your work! ~ I am extremely confident that you are on the right track. That being said, here is my review of your work :)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_II_OPPOSING%20CURVES/REVIEWED_stipick_S_OC_79_1.jpg

Do not be alarmed at all of these little nutty comments. I think that your drawings are extremely carefully ~ and for the most part, accurately ~ drawn, and for this I greatly commend you. These comments of mine are merely recommendations, and are meant to point out some minor flaws which hold these otherwise really good drawings back a bit. So take these comments with a grain of salt, and please let me know what you think.

Thank you for posting these, and I look forward to more of your great posts!

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

CiaranM,

Thanks for your post! I hope to see your work soon :) I do not know of any Steven Gaffney, but this opposing curve style has its origins in a teacher from SVA whose name I forget, but who was a teacher of mine's mentor...

scorpion007,

Great post! Did you do any tracing? If so, fine, just curious :)
Make sure to get the "Albinus on Anatomy" by Robert Beverly Hale & Terence Coyle.
On your second post of the Greco/Roman statue, I think this is good ~ however, I would look for a more dynamic statue or drawing to trace ~ I highly recommend Michelangelo and Rubens for Opposing Curves :)

naresh,

You are welcome! Look forward to your posts :)

FromanylanD wrote:

>Trying to focus more on the curves...try to ignore the poor line quality...should I pay more attention to the larger curves, and less to the curves within the form?

Yes, pay attention to the LARGE CURVES FIRST which define the outside form. I think this is a really good effort ~ I like that you tackled the whole statue without tracing. I would, however, recommend TRACING (THE REFERENCE OF THE) STATUE ALSO. This is not cheating, but learning how the Masters created THEIR forms through Opposing Curves.
After tracing, I would recommend going back to the same REFERENCE to draw freehand a second drawing. Your second drawing will show TREMENDOUS improvement :)

>'Nother question Rebecca...any thoughts on the technique I'm kinda sorta using, doing a rough pass in colored pencil and then a finer dark pass? (Actually, none of the drawings I've posted really show how I'd normally use this technique..on the first two the underlying pass is too dark, and the above drawings are just...unusual.) Is this more suited to design, or do you think it's fine for life drawing? (Of course anything's really fine in the long run...but I mean, is it putting me at a disadvantage in learning figure drawing/anatomy)?

When you are learning to break down form, there is really NO WRONG WAY in which to do so.
That being said, I would make a few recommendations with reference to your technique: Firstly, I would not use colored pencil as if it were charcoal ~ it is not. Colored pencil is waxy and a bit resistant to the surface of paper, and I highly dislike this because it means I have to go over strokes which I did not wish to reinforce. If you wish to work in traditional media, I would HIGHLY recommend using charcoal, particularly on good paper, which it looks as though you may be using. I use General's 6B pencils because they have a solid black mark which forces me to be sensitive to line weight and to pay attention to what I am doing for fear of making "mistakes". If you must use colored pencil, use it as a PENCIL and constantly sharpen it so as to leave clean marks. DARK 6B Charcoal Pencils will give you a range of expressiveness which a colored pencil will not.

eggsrgood,

Thank you :)

EDIT: Woo! Your drawing just showed up in my browser! Nice! :)

naresh,

I use www.photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com/) to host my images. It's free up to a certain capacity.


Thanks all for your Awesome posts! I can REALLY see the effort here, so Thank You!

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

'Night all. Thanks for your posts! :)

~Rebeccak

[FromanylanD]

http://www.bunnybass.com/e-zine/phototips/00.examplepics/drawings/drawingpics/after_michelangelo.jpg

http://www.animation-fromanyland.com/imgshow/after_michelangeloEdit.jpg


Photoshop tracing of a Michelangelo drawing. I'm trying to indicate some strong opposing curves with those orange fans :rolleyes:.

When you are learning to break down form, there is really NO WRONG WAY in which to do so.
That being said, I would make a few recommendations with reference to your technique: Firstly, I would not use colored pencil as if it were charcoal ~ it is not. Colored pencil is waxy and a bit resistant to the surface of paper, and I highly dislike this because it means I have to go over strokes which I did not wish to reinforce. If you wish to work in traditional media, I would HIGHLY recommend using charcoal, particularly on good paper, which it looks as though you may be using. I use General's 6B pencils because they have a solid black mark which forces me to be sensitive to line weight and to pay attention to what I am doing for fear of making "mistakes". If you must use colored pencil, use it as a PENCIL and constantly sharpen it so as to leave clean marks. DARK 6B Charcoal Pencils will give you a range of expressiveness which a colored pencil will not.

Great...I know you already strongly suggested charcoal, but I chickened out. I'll try to acquire some of those pencils...right now I've got a Pro Art Sepia Dark, General's Charcoal White, a lot of Faber-Castell natural charcoal (the twigs), and some unidentified soft square sticks. The majority of what I post from now on will be...charcoal.

[scorpion007]

Rebecca, thanks for your comments, to answer your question, no. I didn't trace at all. I had the reference side by side with my picture though, that's fine right?
Though i did trace over my own drawing on another layer to refine it, as you can see from the pic.

FromanylanD, cool stuff!

[FromanylanD]

FromanylanD, cool stuff!

The Michelangelo draw-over, or my stuff? :scream:

[scorpion007]

naresh, you need to host your images somewhere, such as www.imageshack.us (http://www.imageshack.us)
Then you can use them in your post.

Here's another study i made. First with HB pencil, (tried 6B progresso but the drawing was pretty bad hehe :P, so I tried again with HB on a slightly easier reference.) then scanned into PS and refined in a new layer. Its not perfect, but let me know your thoughts :)
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/856/poses057dp.th.jpg (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=poses057dp.jpg)
Here is the reference URL: http://www.abcgallery.com/M/michelangelo/michelangelo18.html

A side note: I give EVERYONE permission to paintover/analyze ALL of my works posted here. Just in case that wasn't obvious :P

EDIT:
FromanylanD, both :)

[NOOB!]

fromy,hope to see sum more stuff from u soon,hope u learnt sumthin from the michelangelo drawing.

[thetrianglekid]

once again, rebecca, AWESOME thread

i'm learning a LOT and i'm not even posting any images (don't have a scanner). PLEASE keep doing what you're doing.

fromanyland, really excellent work!

[Rebeccak]

FromanylanD,

Ah, so who did the copy of the Libyan Sibyl ~ charcoal version? If it is you, then I must congratulate you on executing a beautiful drawing.

For your Photoshop trace, I would recommend using a slightly less opaque setting ~ this will allow the tail ends of your strokes to fade out a bit, which could give you a bit more range...

scorpion007,

Cool :) ~ I am glad to hear you didn't trace ~ not because there is anything wrong with doing so ~ quite the opposite for the purposes of these exercises ~ but because it looks as though you did quite a good job! :)

NOOB!,

I am preparing myself to be ultra-impressed with FromanylanD if he did the charcoal copy of Michelangelo's famous drawing of the Libyan Sibyl for the Sistine Chapel Ceiling...which is, by the way, my favorite drawing of all time... :)

[FromanylanD]

You mean this? http://www.animation-fromanyland.com/imgshow/michelangeloCharcoalCopy.jpg

If so, yeah, I did that...it's just a shoulder by the way ;) I wouldn't consider it a copy of the Libyan Sibyl...which, I tentatively admit, I had no idea I was copying.

EDIT: somehow, I think you're talking about something else entirely...

Point taken about the Photoshop opacity.

[FromanylanD]

Oh you mean this?!?

http://www.bunnybass.com/e-zine/phototips/00.examplepics/drawings/drawingpics/after_michelangelo.jpg

That, I did not do...found it through Google Image...thought it was an original...

[stipick_S]

Grain of salt! Grain of salt!
No way! Those comments were diamonds, diamonds so large and fantastic that the Hope diamond would run away in embarrassment at its own insignificance. Thank you.

I appreciate the critique. Like I had said it has been years since I have done this and these were exercises that perhaps i did not spend enouugh time on. I think each drawing I did took no longer than 10 minutes ( i think in all I did about 30 or 40 drawings, some big some small). I require instant gratification and have to redevelop patience. I have the luxury of choosing when i go to work, so I took yesterday off and just drew for the first time in a very very long time. I have so much to learn and this thread was the perfect catalyst. Your instruction so far has been invaluable. The critique was awesome, and anybody looking at the sketches can tell there are some major problems and you helped demystify what those problems were. No offense taken here, gratification would be the better term!

Critiques are nothing to shy away from and the more people have to add ,the more I can learn, you can be mean or nice (rebecca , you are nice) it doesnt matter to me because I will learn from it and grow better. Moral of the story: To all the guys afraid to post, dont be, you might learn something.


SHaun

P.s. Now if only there was a thread for spelling and grammar, I sure could use one.

[Rebeccak]

FromanylanD wrote:

>Oh you mean this?!?

Yep...that's a really good copy, but I'd know the real thing from a mile away...
Here's the Michelangelo original (http://www.wga.hu/art/m/michelan/4drawing/sistina/libyan.jpg) ~ DEFINITELY worth a drool, I mean, a look :)

stipick_S wrote:
No way! Those comments were diamonds, diamonds so large and fantastic that the Hope diamond would run away in embarrassment at its own insignificance. Thank you.



Hahaha! You are most welcome! And I appreciate how enthusiastic you are about this topic ~ it's great to see :).

>Critiques are nothing to shy away from and the more people have to add ,the more I can learn, you can be mean or nice (rebecca , you are nice) it doesnt matter to me because I will learn from it and grow better. Moral of the story: To all the guys afraid to post, dont be, you might learn something.

AGREED. POST. YOUR. WORK. :)

>I did about 30 or 40 drawings, some big some small

WOW. Awesomeness...

Great stuff, guys! Keep it up!

~Rebeccak

[alesmav]

Howdy!

Since I am a beginner and just recently started a figure drawing this thread is exactly what I needed. I have been doing box figures for about a year now and I think it is one of the best practices in learning how to orient your figure in space. Now I am trying to give a little more definiton to my drawings and I just found out about this opposing curves method yesterday as I visited this thread. I was amazed how something so simple can make so much sense. The results were starting to show up right away and for now I call it THE method. I've also watched Vilppu Spherical Forms DVD and he basically talks about the same thing. He also goes and explains how the old masters used this method to their advantage. So thank you Rebecca for helping us beginners discover the method. I am sure It will make my drawings a lot more rewarding and fun in the future.

Anyway...

Here's one of my first attempts of figure drawing using opposing curves... You can comment and crit all you want. Just please bear in mind that I have actively started drawing only a few months ago (since I bought my first sketch book :) ).

ALES

[Rebeccak]

alesmav wrote,

>Just please bear in mind that I have actively started drawing only a few months ago...

WOW! Are you kidding? This drawing is fantastic ~! Great stuff, keep on posting! :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Ok, I just have to post this...sometimes I get the heebie jeebies, looking at this drawing...but that's just me :)


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_II_OPPOSING%20CURVES/libyan.jpg

Economy, power, beauty, intelligence...~and~check out those Opposing Curves!
*I want to be like Mike* :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

I FINALLY remembered the name of the SVA guy who has a book about drawing using Opposing Curves:

James McMullan.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879515368/pricecompar0d-20/ref%3Dnosim/102-1911993-6034569 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879515368/pricecompar0d-20/ref%3Dnosim/102-1911993-6034569)

From what I remember, a master of this technique.

Enjoy :)

~Rebeccak

EDIT:
scorpion007, just saw your post ~ great stuff, keep going ~ the more one does of these, the absolute better... ;)

thetrianglekid,
I'm thrilled to hear you're learning from this! :)

[HundredMonkeys]

Great thread!

<img src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b360/HundredMonkeys/Figure1.gif" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com">

[Rebeccak]

Everyone,

I just updated Post #3 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=2436819&postcount=3) at the beginning of this thread - it now has an UPDATED LIST OF REFERENCE BOOKS FOR ARTISTIC ANATOMY AND FIGURATIVE DRAWING.

Check it out!

~Rebeccak

[RO]

I FINALLY remembered the name of the SVA guy who has a book about drawing using Opposing Curves:

James McMullan.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879515368/pricecompar0d-20/ref%3Dnosim/102-1911993-6034569 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879515368/pricecompar0d-20/ref%3Dnosim/102-1911993-6034569)

From what I remember, a master of this technique.

Enjoy :)

~Rebeccak

EDIT:
scorpion007, just saw your post ~ great stuff, keep going ~ the more one does of these, the absolute better... ;)

thetrianglekid,
I'm thrilled to hear you're learning from this! :)

Ooooo I am pretty sure I am going to take a class of his in SVA. I remember that name.

[alesmav]

One more from the apprentice...

ALES

[pulver]

Hi! I just have to join this thread. I have waited for something like this for a long time. I haven’t been drawing for several weeks now, but when I saw this thread I just had to try it out.



So hear is my first attempt, I made it just before I went to bed, witch can be noticed for example on the bad drawn hands.



(Sorry for the bad quality, I have no scanner so I hade to take a photo of the paper and fix some contrast stuff in Photoshop)
http://jocar009.thg.se/first.jpg


hi res (without contrast fix): http://jocar009.thg.se/DSCN0791.JPG

refferens: http://www.student.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~crhawlik/Halloween-2004/Random%20Guy%20at%20Frat%20Party.JPG

I’m going to draw some more now when I’m not so tired.



This is the best thread in a long while! Thanks Rebecca:thumbsup:



(Feel free to give critics to the painting, but not on my bad English:D )

[RO]

Now that is a funny reference!

:beer:

[Rebeccak]

I looked at the reference too ~ I think I just snarfed my soda.

When encountering reference such as this, I think...What Would Michelangelo Do?

:scream:

~Rebeccak

[NoirQ]

issues still remain, but bleh, practice practice practice :D

EDIT: image is on page 12 now i think :D

[NOOB!]

thats a big improvement noir!

[peekoot]

Ok, I just have to post this...sometimes I get the heebie jeebies, looking at this drawing...but that's just me :)


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_II_OPPOSING%20CURVES/libyan.jpg

Economy, power, beauty, intelligence...~and~check out those Opposing Curves!
*I want to be like Mike* :)

~Rebeccak

bah! look at the bottom right corner.. guy spilled his coffee over it :)

ps
sorry for pointless post.. couldn't resist.. have it this way: at least you get to see Mike on two pages ;)

drawing is simply amazing.. he knew how to make sculptures even on paper

[FromanylanD]

http://www.animation-fromanyland.com/imgshow/libyanCopy.jpg

Couldn't resist either...hope this isn't too off topic...I did these quickly, 15 minutes at the most for each.

EDIT: additionally, I've been awake for 24 hours again...I'll be sharp and back on topic when I wake up :)

[franzboas]

please may i post a sketch of a hand . will there be opposing curves there especially in the fingers and palms? may i also know what is the advantage of using a model over a photo?


and this thread is great. i was completely wandering about for someone to tel me summat about anatomy. thanks ma'm.

shreyas

[Rebeccak]

pulver,

Thank you for your post and for your comments! They are appreciated :) I must say, I find your reference hilarious! My co-workers may not have appreciated getting snarfed on ~ but oh well (j/k!)

NoirQ,

Keep going! Thanks for posting these! I think the bottom one shows promise especially ~ my recommendation is to trace over your own drawings (using tracing paper OR Photoshop, whichever you prefer) to improve the confidence of your linework. Good work so far! Keep posting! :)

FromanylanD,

Well, I knew this would be irresistable bait for you ~ great initiative! Are you using one of those compressed charcoal sticks? They're not bad, but I would recommend either A. sharpening it to a point or B. Using Charcoal Pencils ;)

The linework which you are so confident with in your first drawing becomes muddled in your second, which is a pity ~ considering that your notation of form is relatively good ~ I am guessing that with a charcoal stick you can't press down hard for fear of breaking the stick and are limited in the range of calligraphic linework which you can do ~ did I mention to try a Charcoal pencil? ;)

Great work, guys, these are making my day!

EDIT: franzboas, you may post a picture of a hand ~ but also later post a drawing of the full figure, as I want to keep this thread relatively streamlined :) ~thanks!

~Rebeccak

[FromanylanD]

FromanylanD,

Well, I knew this would be irresistable bait for you ~ great initiative! Are you using one of those compressed charcoal sticks? They're not bad, but I would recommend either A. sharpening it to a point or B. Using Charcoal Pencils ;)

The linework which you are so confident with in your first drawing becomes muddled in your second, which is a pity ~ considering that your notation of form is relatively good ~ I am guessing that with a charcoal stick you can't press down hard for fear of breaking the stick and are limited in the range of calligraphic linework which you can do ~ did I mention to try a Charcoal pencil? ;)

Ah yes, compressed charcoal stick, that's better than twig :scream:. Nah, the sticks aren't that brittle, I just...suck with charcoal, and approached it in a completely different way than the pencil one...that is, with no idea what I'm doing (note: I did the charcoal one first). Still getting a sense of it. I should be getting some proper charcoal pencils (hopefully General 6B like you suggested) today.

EDIT: to everyone, sorry for not responding to any comments, or providing any comments of my own...soon to be remedyed.

[Rebeccak]

FromanylanD wrote:

>I should be getting some proper charcoal pencils (hopefully General 6B like you suggested) today.

Eggsellent. My diabolical plan to reform the world through the use of 6B Charcoal pencils is working splendidly. :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

EDIT:

LINK TO REFERENCE BOOK LIST & TRADITIONAL MEDIA SUPPLY LIST (ADDED TO FIRST PAGE OF THIS LESSON):

#3 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showpost.php?p=2436819&postcount=3)

~Rebeccak

[fabian84]

So Heres a couple of my opposing curves drawings. I used Michelangelo for reference, as you can see - David, Creation of Adam, and Captive. Everyone here is doing an awesome job. I am envious but will continue working and posting! Everybody have a great Day! Once again thanks again Rebecca!
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9517/opposingcurves16at.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9554/opposingcurves28zx.jpg

[WyattHarris]

It takes 10 years to learn how to draw ~ 7 if you're a genius.

This reminds me of a quote on a different subject. It takes 5 years to learn to play the violin badly. After that you can begin to learn to play it well.

The same goes for any creative output. I'm going on 20 years on the violin and I still have things to learn. It all boils down to practice, practice, practice.

[Rebeccak]

fabian84,

Great posts! I especially like the one which you drew from Michelangelo's Captive Slave ~ the torso and head twist is convincing, and HIS right leg, particularly the upper part, is also well-drawn. Keep up the good work! :)

WyattHarris,

Practice is definitely key ~ but it also helps to be motivated by the good work of others! :)

EDIT: HundredMonkeys, just saw your post! Excellent work...I will have time to review posts soon...

Keep it up, guys!

~Rebeccak

[thewave]

Rebekkah,
The Burne Hogarth really shows through in your works. It would be nice to see some more of your style in the drawings and some new topics which we could not get from his books on dynamic figure drawing and the human form.

He is an excellent artist and understands the way anatomy works to a science.

I would love to hear your fresh opinions on this topic of human drawing.

[Rebeccak]

thewave wrote:

>The Burne Hogarth really shows through in your works.

Thank you! :) This is a great compliment, and he was a great teacher.

>It would be nice to see some more of your style in the drawings and some new topics which we could not get from his books on dynamic figure drawing and the human form.

It's great that you mention this ~ I have received permission to moderate, along with Roberto Ortiz, a new SUB-FORUM called "Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Drawing" under WIP/Critique: 2D, Illustrations and Concept Art (http://www.cgtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=31). So this is a perfect time for people to suggest topics for threads which they would like to see in this new SUB-FORUM! A big "Thank You" to CGTalk! :)

Do you have something specific in mind in terms of new topics? I am completely open to suggestions and happy to entertain any thoughts you might have ~ and I greatly hope that you and everyone else will return to contribute to the new forum, about which I am really excited! The great interest and work exhibited in this and the last Anatomy Review thread shows me that there is a real need for people to exhibit their expressive talents ~ and I am thrilled to have the opportunity to be a part of such a rich and dynamic creative community ~ so definitely post your thoughts and ideas regarding the new forum, as well as topics which you would like to see covered on this thread. Soon, this thread will move to its new home within the "Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Drawing" SUB-FORUM. Hope to see everyone there! :)

>I would love to hear your fresh opinions on this topic of human drawing.

Thank you! :) For the time being, I have planned a series of topics for the ongoing Anatomy Review thread which I would like to stick to. But when the "Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Drawing" Sub-Forum opens up, basically we will be creating separate threads dedicated solely to specific issues pertaining to Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Art. Hopefully peoples' daily contributions to these threads will make this Forum a rich resource for artists of all ilk ~ be they 3D artists looking to create better orthographic drawings, 2D concept and creature designers, or 2- and 3D fine artists.

I wholeheartedly welcome everyone's thoughts and opinions regarding what kinds of topics they would like to see addressed in the "Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Drawing" Sub-Forum.

Thanks for your post ~ I look forward to your participation :)

Thanks to everyone who has stopped by or participated in this and the last thread...I am thrilled that so many folks are interested in this and have put forth their time and myriad talents to contribute - THANK YOU!!!

~Rebeccak

[NOOB!]

wohooo! i know a future mod.

i mean..yeh...no ideas yet.

[RO]

Had to go back to Bruce Lee for this one http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

1) Gesture (Blue)
2) Opposing Curves (Brown)
3) shadow shade with brown.
4) white for highlights.

Done in PS. With a nice paper background texture http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/grin.gif

http://onlinewarriors.beyondunreal.com/RandomStuff/bl1-5.jpg

HAPPY DAYS! with that news of a new area for figure drawing and such!!! Congrats and I hope to use it a good bit.

[NOOB!]

ok becks,

topic ideas

1.proportions of man and woman.

2.learning how muscles connect *no not a sceince lesson,just a lil info on how the muscles work with the aid of drawings so we can practice*

3.drawing the face,people have loads of problems with that.

4.drawings hands WHOA,even harder .

5.dynamic drawing,line of action etc.

right now i can't think of more....

gunna moderate a forum all by ureself...phew...

[RobertoOrtiz]

Well I dont know about herself...

Trust me, she will have some help.
-R

[Rebeccak]

Desp#2/Rog,

Thanks for the post! I like the sequence!

NOOB!

Thank you for the list of ideas ~ this helps me a lot. It will be great fun watching as all of these new threads grow!

RobertoOrtiz,

Yep, as my co-moderator, I will definitely be nagging you for advice and expertise!

Thanks for the posts!

~Rebeccak

[NOOB!]

Well I dont know about herself...

Trust me, she will have some help.
-R

lol,ok mod king!

[stipick_S]

From. - you are good. You have a style that has a great expressiveness to it. I would love to see what you would do with pen and ink wash. I assume you are aware of Tiepolo... I think your ink wash work might look a lot like his...or not. I don't know what I am talking about... I just like your stuff.


Rebeca- I approach allmost everything with enthusiasm. I cant help it, I remember going to school ( i have a BFA and an assoc {which ironicly I picked up after my bfa}) and the first time around I was a boring mess and wasted more time then I care to admit. I had been working two jobs and studying and life just became a real bore and I was miserable. After i graduated I had a real wake up call. The second time around I think my enthusiasm really aggravated my clasmates, but who cares I had a blast.

If you become involved in something you should be enthusiastic, epescially art. Art is never fun if you're drawing what you do not want to. So the key to doing even the most tedious task is to be enthusiastic and make it fun ( not that this is tedious, it is'nt. I have been looking for a thread like this for a long time). Create some "false hype" and you're flying first class!! Life is good!

Shaun

P.S. I am going to post all of my drawings from each exercise on my website. If anybdy wants to see some really bad drawings (and maybe a couple of passable ones) they can be found there under the sketchbook tab. I expect it to be up by tonight. Thanks everyone.

[Kitami]

ok did this from a ref i dont have anymore :o

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9236/man0018yy.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

And i want to add to Rebecca, your threads are great, i read every post and i really feel im learning alot, keep these posts coming!

[Michiel t.B.]

ah, shoot! I still haven't been able to do as much drawing as necessary :sad: ... I'll try to keep up though. Here are some topic ideas as an addition to NOOB!'s ones:

- Foreshortening & Perspective
- Treating specific parts of the body, and opposite of that treating really holistic subjects to improve the overall figure (like the gesture drawing, the curves, proportion etc.)
- Expression & body language (is still anatomy, right?)
- Correct way of form of the figure when (for example) applying force (pulling\pushing etc.)
- Maybe there'd be a way to have a place with only brief, useful overviews of each session, which, after lots of sessions, could result in like an anatomy-book in its own kind!

Hmm, I guess you'd see some of them coming from miles away, and others are really out there... But what the hey, just trying to help!

[Rebeccak]

Thanks for the suggestions, guys! Kitami, thanks for posting your work! :)

As for potential topics, don't get completely hung up on the word "ANATOMY" ~ as the thread is dedicated to FIGURE DRAWING as a whole :)

Thanks again for the input :)

~Rebeccak

[WyattHarris]

Well here goes. This is the first pic in these discussions I've used reference on. The reference I used is... uh... me. I've got these huge mirrors in my office I use for animation and in trying to figure out what to sketch I looked over and (snap) there it was.

Here is the gesture drawing. Or as I call it lesson 1.
http://www.wyattharris.com/cgtalk/anatomy/curve1.jpg

And here is the finish. NO, I didn't draw this in the nude :D I just used my imagination for those parts. I tried to take a picture but you know. Mirror, flash, didn't work out. I can see now my current tools just aren't going to work as we progress. The mechanical pencil is great for detail but it is crap for shading.

Have at it Rebekka. Rebekka only please.

http://www.wyattharris.com/cgtalk/anatomy/curve2.jpg

Edit: The more I look at this, the more problems I see, Gah! What is that goofy mouth I drew.

[NOOB!]

man...his cigarette is too close to his man package,what if he accidently dropped it..

anyway nice attempt!!

[Rebeccak]

WyattHarris,

Ok. That's just funny. Are you telling me...you sit in your office...al dente? lol! :hmm:

In these, as in other situations, I just ask myself...what would Michelangelo do?

Thanks for posting! :)

~Rebeccak

[NOOB!]

wait..is that a cigarette or a smokin pencil?

[WyattHarris]

man...his cigarette is too close to his man package,what if he accidently dropped it..

Sketchpad, pencil, get it. Aw crap, shoulda put an eraser on the pencil. :D Well at least it did look like smoke.


Ok. That's just funny. Are you telling me...you sit in your office...al dente? lol! :hmm:


Keep reading, you'll see.

Edit: Yep, you got it.

[WyattHarris]

I just ask myself...what would Michelangelo do?

On that topic let me ask you a question. I look at the below pic and I see the mastery in it easily. That is very well drawn, especially since it was just a sketch that he later painted (my finished pieces don't look near this good).

But when you really look at it people don't look that way, it is highly exaggerated. I call that kind of technique the cauliflower look because the skin has that bumpy texture. Even a VERY (not bodybulder) muscular person still has smooth shiney skin. See below pictures. I look at my legs (The only really muscular part on me) and I see smooth curves very much like the dreaded (). Not these curves upon curves upon curves. I'm not really sure what I'm trying to ask but I guess I'm just saying is it really so great to draw "like Mike". It's not very realistic (my leaning) but it is very beautiful. I guess I'm asking more your opinion than anything else.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/rebeccak4/CG_Talk_Anatomy_Workshop_II_OPPOSING%20CURVES/libyan.jpg

http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/ohe/library/bodyimage/muscle.jpg
http://www.silverdrugs.com/images/muscle.jpg

[NOOB!]

interesting point wyatt.

all i can say is..exaggerated curves.... looks better.simple as heh.

[NoirQ]

Ok, gunna edit pic out of last post, palced it here instead.

Mef, some came out ok, some i had quite large issues with, but still, fun none the less. these were (the new ones) from photos of celebrities, not sure why, but i chose to do that. top right pic, she had high heel shoes on, hence the leg stopping halfway up. erm yeah, there we go. Obviously i don't expect critquing of any of this, but figure i'll post them, keeps everyone amused :D Keep up the good work, i got the burning pencil thing wyatt :D nice pic, made me laugh

edit: go for your life if u wanna doddle on it btw

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a202/NoirQ/lesson2-collage.jpg

edit3:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a202/NoirQ/lesson2-collage2.jpg

new ones. they may not be good, but fun to do anyway :) if only they had taught me this stuff at school, i may have actually done art then! :/ oh well, i crash on :)


edit2: rebecca, i will try the tracing thing :) i can;t do it in photoshop, as my wacom is with my other art supplies 100 miles away lol! i'll give it a go tomorrow :) thanks

[RO]

@ WyattHarris post

No real answer to that one I would think. The way I could explain is that it is the idealized form. It is almost like drawing the muscle structure with very few layers of skin. Only few people in the world have reached that chiseled look. When the master made the statues and drawings in those times it was mostly about the idealized human form, the pure beauty of the form. It is amazing looking but we all recognize that this is not real but it is infect very beautiful. I guess we could say nobody in this world will ever make a true drawing of a human being because of all the prior thoughts behind our own individual works. We take what we think of that person and do our own idealizations on paper. The hardest drawings for me are self portraits. You know, it should be the easiest of them all since you see yourself every single day in the mirror at some point. But it is hard because you never ever want to make yourself look bad on paper so you take more so what you think you should look like instead of what you really look like. Plus when you look at yourself in a mirror do you actually see in detail when brushing your hair...It is usally sectioned attention when you look in the mirror. With figure drawing and mostly these training things do is give technical base of an organic figure. It gives you the tools to understand how lines could react depending on the pose.


Some of those thoughts are thoughts my teacher talked about.

[Rebeccak]

Ok, I have to jump into the mix a bit here.

WyattHarris,

I think your drawing is interesting, but allow me to request that you post a more serious, studi