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Ezekiel19
07-02-2005, 01:27 PM
Who has seen the Most Beautiful Women Rendered in 3D ?

Lunatique
07-03-2005, 02:25 AM
That's highly subjective. You might as well ask "Who has seen the most beautiful women in real life?"

Personally, I think the Koreans currently hold the record for the most attractive 3D female characters. They have a knack for depicting ethereal beauties that has become a national style for them.

Nimue
07-03-2005, 02:55 AM
I agree with luna, although your picture with the blonde holds high for me lunatique.

JDex
07-03-2005, 03:08 AM
I have... yay me. What'd I win?

No really, Lunatique has a point.

PerfectBlue
07-03-2005, 06:06 AM
No really, Lunatique has a point.
Haha yea, i was about to post it, but Luna beat me to the punch. :bounce:

ashakarc
07-03-2005, 06:50 AM
Who has seen the Most Beautiful Women Rendered in 3D ?
What do you think?

DimensionalPunk
07-03-2005, 07:42 AM
Stahlberg's (http://www.androidblues.com/galleries.html) got some beauties.

superlayer
07-03-2005, 09:59 AM
I agree the korean modelers rule that area.
They must be on to some secret.

Lunatique
07-03-2005, 10:18 AM
I agree the korean modelers rule that area.
They must be on to some secret.

That "secret" is really just their subjective taste in women. They (and most Asians) are into delicate, feminine, and soft features, with flawless, youthful fair skin, and no "excessiveness" in the facial features (for example, bee-stung Angelina Jolie lips, super-sharp cheek bones you can grate a block of cheese on..etc). Women like Pamela Anderson, Julia Roberts..etc might be considered Goddesses in the west, but to most Asian eyes, they have excessive features that are "too much" for their subjective taste. But in the west, these "excessiveness" are treasured as a sign of individuality and uniqueness. Another example would be that some westerners think that freckles are cute, but Asians can't stand freckles and think they destroy perfect skin and look diseased. Europeans' sense of beauty is generally more accepted in Asia, as there are more similarities in the subjective tastes of Asia and Europe.

Although Asians share similar tastes in women, the reason why the Koreans stand out with their work from other Asian countries is because they are on par with Japan technically, but the Japanese are usually too preoccupied with anime/manga influences, and that stylized look is highly subjective, and not always accepted universally. The Chinese and the other Asian countries are behind technically and creatively, so it'll be a while before they catch up to Korea and Japan--IF they ever catch up.

Ed Bittner
07-03-2005, 11:20 AM
Well said Luna.
E.

Dr. Ira Kane
07-03-2005, 11:28 AM
Without any doubt that was a girl from that thread http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=183940, that face is amazing. I guess I'm from the west then, wild wild west :D

Swizzle
07-03-2005, 05:45 PM
Without any doubt that was a girl from that thread http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=183940, that face is amazing. I guess I'm from the west then, wild wild west :DI agree that the face is amazing, though I view it as amazing more on a technical level. In my opinion she looks like she had her entire butt pumped into her lips and her nose carved up by a mediocre plastic surgen. The eyes are very well done and the skin is excellent, though.

Hmmm...

Blikkie
07-04-2005, 12:23 AM
I don't know why it is, but I can't recall any 3d char that has left a lasting impression on me, while I know many 2D women who were very impressive, the latest example being the blonde girl in the M&S winner.

Lunatique
07-04-2005, 04:20 AM
Without any doubt that was a girl from that thread http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=183940, that face is amazing. I guess I'm from the west then, wild wild west :D

This is a perfect example of the difference of taste between the west and the east. A face like that would not be considered beautiful at all according to the general Asian taste (this is not a comment about the quality of the work, but just the subjective taste in beauty).

This difference in taste can get really interesting. For example, many of the Asian girls that are considered pretty in the west, often leaves people in the east scratching their heads. "They think THAT is what a pretty Asian girl looks like? They must've never seen a truly beautiful Asian girl then." is what Asians in the east often say. It completely baffles them how a lot of westerners come to Asia and date the kind of girls they consider ugly, but seems to think these ugly girls are gorgeous. Some of the Asian celebrities that has made it big in the west leave the east scratching their heads too. For example, Lucy Liu is considered scary looking by most people in Asia--they have no idea why Americans find her pretty.

Another interesting difference is how eastern and western photographers/makeup artists differ in the way they depict Asian models. When Zhang Ziyi went to the U.S. to promote her films, American photographers caked makeup on her, had her wear skimpy clothes, and rubbed her down with bronzing oil to give her that "Maxim magazine oily suntanned" look. The resulting photos looked nothing like her--it's as if the American photographers had no idea just what is alluring about Asian girls, and they only knew how to force the western taste and style onto the Asian models/actresses, instead of depicting what is beautiful about Asian girls naturally.

If you compare the kind of photography you see in Maxim magazine with the kind of photography you see from Japanese photographers who shoot Japanese idol actresses and models, you'll notice a huge difference in taste. The Asians tend to favor fair skin, pensiveness, elegance, softness, and a natural look, while the Americans are into heavier makeup, drama, suntanned skin, extroversion, fun, and strong sexuality.

Of course, I'm only talking about the general differences; there are always exceptions. For example, the role that Alexis Bledel played in Gilmore Girls is the kind of western girl that is actually very similar in aura to Asian girls, while Hsu Chi's always played roles that are more "wild" and similar to western girls.

The difference between eastern and western taste in women can even be seen from tradtional architecture and art. The west has always been about complex and majestic castles and churches with lots of intricate and lush details, realistic sculptures, realistic paintings, lots of vivid colors..etc, while the east has always been about simplicity, elegance, subtle colors, and tranquility in design. Isn't it interesting how that geneal difference in culture is reflected in their taste in women?

Davidxt
07-04-2005, 04:53 AM
Good post Lunatique. I think work ethic is a factor as well. Koreans are like machines at whatever they want to master, and Americans are fat and lazy :) This is obviously a stereotype, but who would deny that there is some truth to it. Btw, I am Korean, but born in America, so I can make fun of both sides.. yay. ... To stay on topic though, my favorite 3d girl is by eun-kyung. http://www.3dtotal.com/home2/gallery/images/big/736.jpg

Mainly because of her expression.

danielh68
07-04-2005, 05:44 AM
Lunatique, you make really interesting points, which leads me to ask: do the Eastern men have an equivalent to the Madonna/Whore Complex? This has been preoccupation with Western culture for many centuries...sort of a strange conflicting duality that has Christian themes. For instance, as a American guy, I think Nicole Kidman is extremely beautiful, likewise, Angelina Jolie. However, Nicole imbues an ethereal delicate quality (much like you mention is preferred in the East) while Angelina has a strong wild sexuality to her. And, from a western view, this applies to Asian women too. I think Zhang Ziyi is beautiful, likewise, Lucy Liu. While Zhang is pure and enchanting, Lucy is sexy and aggressive. I guess, in short, do Eastern men find images of strong aggressive female sexuality aesthetically unappealing?

Blikkie
07-04-2005, 06:45 AM
When you talk about ethereal I think Cate Blanchett scores higher than Kidman, though I think both are not sublimely beautiful, but they are sublime actresses.

As far as Angelina Jolie is concerned: I don't see her beauty. Even if she is all natural, when I see her my Plastic Fantastic alarmbells go off. She looks artificial and doesn't do a thing for me.

Actually I can't agree with lunatique on the topic of european taste. When I look at a magazine I see more of excess than of restraint. While I like style and smoothness I have to admit I have a soft spot for red curls and freckles :-)

Lunatique
07-04-2005, 06:51 AM
Lunatique, you make really interesting points, which leads me to ask: do the Eastern men have an equivalent to the Madonna/Whore Complex? This has been preoccupation with Western culture for many centuries...sort of a strange conflicting duality that has Christian themes. For instance, as a American guy, I think Nicole Kidman is extremely beautiful, likewise, Angelina Jolie. However, Nicole imbues an ethereal delicate quality (much like you mention is preferred in the East) while Angelina has a strong wild sexuality to her. And, from a western view, this applies to Asian women too. I think Zhang Ziyi is beautiful, likewise, Lucy Liu. While Zhang is pure and enchanting, Lucy is sexy and aggressive. I guess, in short, do Eastern men find images of strong aggressive female sexuality aesthetically unappealing?

There's a famous saying in Chinese (it's a modern one, not a traditional one), and it's "The perfect woman is a woman who's an elegant lady in public, a good housewive at home, and a whore in bed." I think that sums it up pretty well as far as what most Asian men want. They are also really into the "Face of an angel, with the body of a devil" look, which is actually another thing the Asians say a lot about their ideal woman (physicially). The Japanese are even more into it--going as far as some men indulging in the lolita-complex (sexually appealing, yet youthful looking). Asian women look a lot younger than other women of the world by default, so the whole thing about liking them looking young really isn't that big of a deal in Asia--it's just part of the culture. It's also not a big deal for older men to date much younger women in Asia, as long as she's close to being legal. The rational behind that is, most parents would rather their daughters date a mature men who has a career and a sense of responsibility, instead of some young punk who's got no experience in life, no money, wild, and irresponsible.

In generally, Asian men do not like fierce looking women (Lucy Liu or Angelina Jolie for example), as they find that too masculine and not soft/feminine enough. A western woman like Nicole Kidman is a lot closer to the Asian ideal--delicate, feminine, elegant, and introspective. European celebrities are also favored too, women like Sophie Marceau, Emmanuel Beart, Virginie Ledoyen, Monica Bellucci..etc. Asians (the educated ones) also feel that Europe in general is more elegant and cultured than the U.S. in terms of taste and beauty.

Dr. Ira Kane
07-04-2005, 09:19 AM
Interesting Lunatique, I didn't think that it all works that way.
I made some reasearch for CG women and I found some interesting things, well now this one is no.1 for me -> http://www.this-wonderful-life.com/cyberbabe_body.htm (far away from a really beautiful woman - which I haven't seen done in CG btw), but I think it still would be considered ugly in the east.

Lunatique
07-04-2005, 10:49 AM
Dr. Ira Kane - I wouldn't say that the example you posted is "ugly," but "different" from the Asian ideal.

Have you heard of Chen Shu Fen and Common? They are a husband and wife team of Taiwanese digital illustrators, and their depiction of Asian beauty has captured the entire Asia by storm--idealizing what the Asians find "beautiful." Here are some of their works:

http://www.aboutpingfen.idv.tw/3/03collection/02-03/pic/02_100gal_07.jpg

http://www.aboutpingfen.idv.tw/3/03collection/02-03/pic/02_tnc_16.jpg

http://www.aboutpingfen.idv.tw/3/03collection/02-03/pic/02_100gal_27.jpg

http://www.aboutpingfen.idv.tw/3/03collection/02-03/pic/02_tnc_24.jpg

Lunatique
07-04-2005, 10:50 AM
But if you compare what they do to the kind of CG works coming out of Korea, you'll notice that the Koreans are actually creating characters that don't look 100% Asian--more like Eurasians or caucassians:
http://www.cgnetworks.com/gallerycrits/117725/117725_1099152524_medium.jpg

http://www.cgnetworks.com/galleryimages/28152/Kishars_medium.jpg

http://www.cgnetworks.com/gallerycrits/98210/98210_1091537028_medium.jpg

http://www.soanala.com/soagal/2003/soa2003_modern02.jpg

http://www.soanala.com/soagal/2003/soa_Elene0302.jpg

http://www.soanala.com/soagal/2001/soa_suphia01.jpg

The Koreans have been influenced by the Japanese for decades now, just like the Chinese. You can always see that Japanese anime/manga influenced in the rest of Asia, no matter what country it is. Here's Lineage II, and you can see the Japanese influence:
http://www.lineage2.com/pds/official/mid/8_1.jpg

http://www.lineage2.com/pds/official/mid/8_8.jpg

Lunatique
07-04-2005, 10:51 AM
And as I mentioned earlier, the Japanese character design style is heavily influenced by their anime/manga:
http://www.neotaku.com/doax/images/tgs2002/tgs_1.jpg

http://www.illusion.jp/preview/db4/op_bg2.jpg

Then you have the strange phenomenon of the Japanese being fascinated by the americans, that's why many of their games, manga, anime..etc have American characters, and more realistic character designs. For example, look at the Silent Hill series:
http://www.konami.com/gs/silenthill2_pc/images/silenthill2pc_promo_main.jpg

And the Resident Evil series:
http://www.residentevilfan.ws/largeimages/gallery/recvxgc.jpg
http://www.residentevilfan.ws/largeimages/gallery/zero_rebecca2_lg.jpg

And part of that fascination with America has lead some of the Japanese to a direction in very realistic characters--as Americans are more into realism compared to the Japanese:
http://www.residentevilfan.ws/largeimages/gallery/Kevin.jpg

And falling into that category, is the Final Fantasy film we all know. I think that's part of their fascination with hyper real characters and Americanization.

archangel123
07-04-2005, 04:13 PM
luna, it is very subjective from country to country. i am from india, which comes in asia by the way and i really love angelina jolie, nicole kidman is nice too. i dont have a preference for asian or western beauty. i dont prefer women like lucy liu. she could not be called a beauty by any standards i think. (sorry lucy:twisted: ) she has a great body though. i think claire forlani is really beautiful. manga babes look good in 2d but not that much in 3d, maybe cuz they dont look realistic with those large eyes and small mouth. another woman who i find beautiful is laetitia casta. she is very beautiful (with makeup ofcourse).:)

Lunatique
07-04-2005, 04:38 PM
luna, it is very subjective from country to country. i am from india, which comes in asia by the way and i really love angelina jolie, nicole kidman is nice too. i dont have a preference for asian or western beauty. i dont prefer women like lucy liu. she could not be called a beauty by any standards i think. (sorry lucy:twisted: ) she has a great body though. i think claire forlani is really beautiful. manga babes look good in 2d but not that much in 3d, maybe cuz they dont look realistic with those large eyes and small mouth. another woman who i find beautiful is laetitia casta. she is very beautiful (with makeup ofcourse).:)

Of course it's subjective--it always is when it comes to taste. India is a bit different from the rest of Asia (or, far east Asia to be specific), since the general appearance, culture, food..etc are so different. For one, India women has far nicer bodies than far east Asian girls. :D And those big brown eyes!

Wiro
07-04-2005, 06:41 PM
Damn interesting points you're making Lunatique. Great observations and perspectives. Makes me realize why I hate both the western extremes of big boobs and long legs as much as the eastern ones of adults in 14 year old bodies since I'm half western and half eastern :)

I think you should move this thread to the art discussion forum for treasuring!

Wiro

fabianv
07-04-2005, 07:39 PM
Well.. if I had to decide on a 3d woman I would say the leading role in ''Final Fantasy: Spirited Within'' .. ;)

SovereignKnight
07-04-2005, 07:51 PM
I'm 100% American (if there is such a thing), as white as white can be with red hair and freckles and everything, and I like all kinds of women from all kinds of places. I dunno about 3D renders, but I willfully admit the most beautiful woman I've had the pleasure to meet face-to-face in person was Chinese. I don't know her name or anything about her, and she didn't speak a word of English, but she was absolutely stunning.

Ezekiel19
07-04-2005, 08:00 PM
I think what interests me about the 3D CGI character is #1 the eyes. Eye's are very important and Asian artist seem to capture it well. So Asian by far stick for all the reasons previously named. But I would submit that some artist have made some other 3D females characters some what true and beautiful as well. Those being native american woman, black women( outside of the US) and the European blonde.

To capture a woman and render her beautiful

Asians focus on eyes, skin tooth and smoothness and softness with a flare for the hair aspect. Its trully awesome how they do put so much power in the hair they create. Its like a Universe in itself. There Gods of it creating Goddesses no doubt.

Other nationalities tend to focus on 1 Breast(which is ok) 2. Facial and torso areas. I've seen staggering work in both groups.

keep sharing your links and thoghts.

greynite1
07-04-2005, 08:17 PM
Definitely both the Silent hill and Resident evil Series. The realistic modelling make them seem like real people and that in part makes me care about what happens to the characters. Oh and the kick butt stories help.

Of all the final fantsies I loved 8 and 10 myself again because the characters seem like real people. Great game design.

I happen to adore Strong willed and aggressive women (why yes I'm an American) some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen have been Janet Jackson, Melyssa Ford, Lanisha Cole, Carmen Electra, Kate Beckinsale, Lauren Graham (from gilmore girls). Alot of this has to do with the fact that I like Aggressive women who have a feminine side and enjoy it.

edbabb
07-04-2005, 08:49 PM
this is a very interesting thread (if only for the eyecandy). Lunatique, your views are also quite interesting to read.

What are your opinions on the african definition of beauty? Or South American for that matter? I was born in Johannesburg and (although i'm white) consider myself quite the african. I lived in Italy for 4 1/2 years and have worked in brazil for a while, so i've been exposed to different opinions/ideals reagrding women (and have aquired a rather varied taste myself - its the spice of life after all).

I'd also liek to hear other africans/south americans view on all this. This seems quite northern hemispherish to me ;)

edbabb
07-04-2005, 08:51 PM
I'm 100% American (if there is such a thing), as white as white can be with red hair and freckles and everything, and I like all kinds of women from all kinds of places. I dunno about 3D renders, but I willfully admit the most beautiful woman I've had the pleasure to meet face-to-face in person was Chinese. I don't know her name or anything about her, and she didn't speak a word of English, but she was absolutely stunning.

and while im not the fan of Natalie Portman In Blue, i am a fan of Natalie Portman Original.

How about that Monica Belluci? I saw a 3d rendition of her a while ago that was quite good, CG3d gallery choice if im not mistaken.

nubian
07-04-2005, 09:09 PM
helen parr is the hottest
http://www.aol.de/content/GlobalPictureGallery/1685887515_1102423936491.jpg

Dr. Ira Kane
07-04-2005, 09:15 PM
Yeah she is hot ! :D

edbabb
07-04-2005, 09:38 PM
helen parr is the hottest
http://www.aol.de/content/GlobalPictureGallery/1685887515_1102423936491.jpg

must be the spandex. I'm sure the elasticity factors into it too....

YeeWu
07-05-2005, 12:14 AM
Vovo Tzeng is another Taiwanese artist whose work is similar to that of Chen Shu Fen and Common's (I have one of their artbooks, it's great stuff!).

Her page: http://vovo2000.com/index_e.htm (http://vovo2000.com/index_e.htm)

Rudeone
07-05-2005, 01:12 AM
Yuffie Kisaragi:bounce:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/rudeone/yuffienew.jpg

Lunatique
07-05-2005, 03:04 AM
this is a very interesting thread (if only for the eyecandy). Lunatique, your views are also quite interesting to read.

What are your opinions on the african definition of beauty? Or South American for that matter? I was born in Johannesburg and (although i'm white) consider myself quite the african. I lived in Italy for 4 1/2 years and have worked in brazil for a while, so i've been exposed to different opinions/ideals reagrding women (and have aquired a rather varied taste myself - its the spice of life after all).

I'd also liek to hear other africans/south americans view on all this. This seems quite northern hemispherish to me ;)

I don't know enough about the subjective taste of native Africans, and I don't even know if their subjective taste is any different from the general global taste (I think there is one). I do know one thing, and that is to many non-Africans, the more a black person looks similar to a caucassian, the more attractive that person becomes. If you look at the really popular black actresses in the U.S., they are usually the ones that have lighter skin or more caucassian features (Halle Berry for example). It's a strange phenomenon, because this happens in other cultures as well. In some cultures where the main population has dark skin, the ones with lighter skin are typically regarded as more "attractive" or have higher social status. I think the fact that western countries had habitually tried to conquer the rest of the world with their superior technologies throughout history has something to do with that mentality. But it could also be a natural preference in the human psyche--that lighter and fairer skin gives the impression of "cleanliness," while darker skin is regarded as "dirty." I don't know how much of that kind of mentality has to do with history, and how much of it has to do with natural preference (which is shaped by society anyway).

An interesting contrast about skin darkness is the differenc between the east and west. In America and Europe, suntan is something to be admired by most, and people bake themselves under the sun, risking skin cancer, accelerated aging, sun spots, freckles, wrinkles..etc to get that suntanned look. In Asia, it's the total opposite. Except for a small minority, most Asians hate suntans. They feel that darker skin is very peasant like, and fair skin is more "elegant and classy." They also can't stand freckles and sunspots, because they see them as "diseased."

Lunatique
07-05-2005, 03:08 AM
tiveVovo Tzeng is another Taiwanese artist whose work is similar to that of Chen Shu Fen and Common's (I have one of their artbooks, it's great stuff!).

Her page: http://vovo2000.com/index_e.htm (http://vovo2000.com/index_e.htm)

I really hope that other Chinese artists would stop copying Chen Shu Fen and Common. So many Chinese artists are copying their style, and it's kind of sad to see the lack of originality. When they aren't copying Chen Shu Fen, they are copying the Koreans or the Japanese. Why isn't there a Chinese style? The Koreans have a national style that recognizable, and so does the Japanese. The Chinese doesn't seem to have that, unless you consider the Chen Shu Fen and Common ripoffs a national style.

Peddy
07-05-2005, 04:45 AM
ill have to agree, the blonde in Linda's M&S entry does it for me. =]

Fangeek
07-05-2005, 05:05 AM
I've got another observation to bring to the table on the dark skin. If you look at the portraits of fine art all throughout history. The woman always has the fairer skin. This is because in art, a woman becomes the quintissential feminine archetype, someone who keeps indoors and does feminine things, not someone who spends her time working outside as the man does, which is why his skin is always darker.

ashakarc
07-05-2005, 05:33 AM
Wow..such a fine line this discussion is taking, edging racial and sexist prejudice, but fortunately; in my opinion; it's not there yet. Lunatique, you are handling it remarkably well, however I have two comments to make:

The emphasis on "subjective taste" is inaccurate. Taste, by definition is subjective, that is when the reaction among similar people to something is different. What you are referring to is the "collective taste", which is the cultural accumulation of common taste. :)
It strikes though, your analogy of beauty and taste is limited to color and facial features based on ethnicity. I always thought that beauty in human being is based on proportions, character, and idiosyncracies. But may be what I am referring to is the measure of beauty in a pure way, i.e. lustless. ;)
btw, your comparison of architecture and female beauty is incredibly true.
Cheers

Milou
07-05-2005, 06:26 AM
Interesting tread....Am I the only girl here?.....
She's one of my favorite. I also think that all the cg character (men and women) created by Francisco Cortina are the best, magnificent, excellent and impressive, no matter what color, ethnicity, shape, they are just stunning.
I agree with you Ashakarc. Luna I find what you say very interesting but I can't relate with you. I live in Canada, a lot of asian people immigrate here and when I meet new people (asian) I keep getting the same request, is to meet caucasian people, especially asian men want to meet canadian girls...:shrug:


Beauty is in everyone

AndyH
07-05-2005, 06:54 AM
http://www.jackals-forge.com/abominate/abomy2.html
Whoaa momma! She purdy!

Seeing Milou's post reminded me that i reckon mirage from the incredibles is really stunning - there are countless perfectly made photoreal supermodels around already, but the stylisation and facial animation on her is frickin excellent. She was what inspired me to make my bunny girl!

Clanger
07-05-2005, 09:19 AM
As a slight twist to this fascinating thread, do you think women can judge a beautiful woman and Men judge a good looking Man?
I know I'm totally lost when trying to guess what male film stars would appeal to Women. Nearly all the girls I know put Viggo and Cloony very high on their desire list but I would have thought them ugly :shrug:

Jeepy
07-05-2005, 06:18 PM
Without any doubt that was a girl from that thread http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=183940, that face is amazing. I guess I'm from the west then, wild wild west :D

That is where you see that it's pretty subjective. I admire the work made on that model, but there's something I don't like about her. She remind me of Keanu Reeves. :eek: Each time I see that picture I imagine Neo saying: Woh! :D

Cheers!

martinrebas
07-05-2005, 09:42 PM
I admire the work made on that model, but there's something I don't like about her. She remind me of Keanu Reeves. :eek:


I thought the same thing. It's Keanu with bigger lips.

/Martin

Milou
07-05-2005, 10:38 PM
She remind me of Keanu Reeves. :eek: Each time I see that picture I imagine Neo saying: Woh!

You are so right Jeepy, you pinpointed it for me, I think the model is beautifully made but I too felt something, it's like a boyish with feminine traits and girlish with masculine traits, but I still think it's beautifull.

Oh and Clanger, yes some men can judge beauty in other men, my gay friends for example and my boyfriend, he's an artist, so I think he look at human body and faces more like a sculpture, he sometimes agree when I say that a man is handsome, doesn't matter men or women, although, we don't always have the same taste, viggo is up there for me too...:love: (with jonny of course). I think it depends on men, I find it funny when a men think it's "gay" or would say "I dunno, I'm not gay" when you ask them if they find this guy or actor handsome.

I forgot to include the link to the website of Francisco Cortina, he kick butts when it comes to human cg character and textures... http://www.cortinadigital.com/

Rudeone
07-06-2005, 12:29 AM
Oh and Clanger, yes some men can judge beauty in other men

All men can see beauty in other men, if not there's something seriously wrong with em.

I saw on discovery (or maybe NGC) once that there's a rule that defines beauty (well we call it beauty) worldwide.
From research scientist discovered there can be put a measured out wireframe on a human face that should be the blueprint of the ultimate beauty.
It's all about symetry and scale between eyes, nose, mouth and the jawline and thanx to the research scientist found out this mask is defined as most atractive in the whole world and is accepted by every culture and rase, same goes for the human body BTW.
It's not about the exact measurements, but the scale between features compaired to eachother, like width of eyes compaired to width of nose compaired to width of mouth, and it would fit on every 'beautifull/atractive' human being worldwide.

edit: here's the website: http://www.beautyanalysis.com/index2_mba.htm

ashakarc
07-06-2005, 01:16 AM
It's not about the exact measurements, but the scale between features compaired to eachother It's "Proportion" ;)

laureato di arte
07-06-2005, 02:40 AM
helen parr is the hottest
http://www.aol.de/content/GlobalPictureGallery/1685887515_1102423936491.jpg

I must agree elastigirl is one of the finest

Lunatique
07-06-2005, 04:31 AM
For all of you that said Elastic girl is your idea of the hottest--were you guys being tongue-in-cheek? Because if she actually existed in reality looking like that, you'd be really weirded out by her. :D

Clanger
07-06-2005, 07:34 AM
All men can see beauty in other men, if not there's something seriously wrong with em.


It's not a matter of not seeing beauty in other men it's seeing differently to the women around me.
I know if I had to pick a top ten out of a 100 my choice would be completely different to my sister's or girlfriend's.
That's what puzzled me.

Rudeone
07-06-2005, 09:43 AM
It's not a matter of not seeing beauty in other men it's seeing differently to the women around me.
I know if I had to pick a top ten out of a 100 my choice would be completely different to my sister's or girlfriend's.
That's what puzzled me.

I understood that, I replied on Milou saying SOME men can see the beauty in other men.

@ashakarc: euhm yeah that's what I meant:D

tntcheats
07-06-2005, 10:54 AM
Stahlberg's (http://www.androidblues.com/galleries.html) got some beauties.
hahahaha DUDE! I'm actually amazed. How can someone go through all that time in 3D without modelling something that's not a scandally clad person? (sorry, don't want 1929 biting me in the ass...but to clarify: not male)

Dogfish
07-06-2005, 01:56 PM
I saw on discovery (or maybe NGC) once that there's a rule that defines beauty (well we call it beauty) worldwide.
From research scientist discovered there can be put a measured out wireframe on a human face that should be the blueprint of the ultimate beauty.
It's all about symetry and scale between eyes, nose, mouth and the jawline and thanx to the research scientist found out this mask is defined as most atractive in the whole world and is accepted by every culture and rase, same goes for the human body BTW.
It's not about the exact measurements, but the scale between features compaired to eachother, like width of eyes compaired to width of nose compaired to width of mouth, and it would fit on every 'beautifull/atractive' human being worldwide.

edit: here's the website: http://www.beautyanalysis.com/index2_mba.htm

hey yall. long time lurker, first time poster.

here's some more on that marquadt beauty mask:

http://goldennumber.net/beauty.htm

http://goldennumber.net/face.htm

ever since i read da vinci code a couple of years back i'm quite fascinated by this stuff. i didnt know about all the phi/golden number/golden rule stuff before. it also dovetails nicely with the conspiracy-theorist in me.

Mario The ][
07-07-2005, 02:15 AM
:) Well one of my favourites is this one:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=227983

Maybe also, because she is a bit of all worlds...

Somtimes i find asian "pretty" girls boring, maybe thats because i am european...
But in the end you can see beatuy in alot things.
CG girls are most of the time to perfect, at least in my oppionion, but artist are getting there. Still its not often that a cg girl makes a big impression on me.

Well, but i know, my taste in girls, real or cg, is mad, most of the time, i dont have the same wavelength it seems like most western guys have...

Anyway, a interesting to read topic, very nice one!

jeremybirn
07-07-2005, 04:51 AM
I saw on discovery (or maybe NGC) once that there's a rule that defines beauty (well we call it beauty) worldwide.
From research scientist discovered there can be put a measured out wireframe on a human face that should be the blueprint of the ultimate beauty.
It's all about symetry and scale between eyes, nose, mouth and the jawline and thanx to the research scientist found out this mask is defined as most atractive in the whole world and is accepted by every culture and rase, same goes for the human body BTW.
It's not about the exact measurements, but the scale between features compaired to eachother, like width of eyes compaired to width of nose compaired to width of mouth, and it would fit on every 'beautifull/atractive' human being worldwide.

edit: here's the website: http://www.beautyanalysis.com/index2_mba.htm

That website has come up before, and I should mention that it is worthless BS. The person who did that "research" is not much of a scientist, and not even close to being an artist.

Look at that pathetic page he calls "the evidence" and how he picks for example an african woman with very western facial features and proportions, when in reality a lot of georgeous women in africa and asia have much broader noses than that scientist prefers, but he just chooses someone very a-typical as his example in order to gloss over that diversity from his norms. A lot of georgeous women also have much fuller lips than his mask dictates, but he just superimposes the mask over the woman that would have cut her lower lip in half, and then pretends that the mask is the sign of beauty not the fuller lips that deviate from it.

Also note how the women he features are never a "10" - being very average mostly pushes someone towards being an 8 or so... lacking obvious defects, but not having that "extra something" eye-catching or noteworthy which artists are always trying to pursue and which that scientist seems not to notice at all.

-jeremy

jmBoekestein
07-07-2005, 07:58 PM
The theory is quite sound however, look at how consistently plants and animals alike, provided they live in regions where there's light to see form, grow in the 'golden' ratio. His implementation is general and topical but not at all wrong.

All science is an approxmimation, not an absolute. He's only denominating, I say he's right. But I also say you are right in the fact that something special needs to be there, but I'm guessing you could find the sme ratio along those faces the mask would look differently yes, but still with the same underlying geometric guidelines.

Nerd_Pack
07-08-2005, 08:34 PM
I don't have reference, but I know of some interesting scientific studies that show that a person's ideal beauty -- and don't be too weirded out by this -- is basically their parents. Ideal features and beauty are established when you are in infancy, based on who you see, and since you see your parents the most their features get melded together to form a 'perfect' mate.

Of course, this is for individuals and many people feel the need to conform to a 'national' or 'cultural' standard of beauty so we develop those, but I think that in reality each person is very different, and there is scientific evidence that beauty is based on who you see most as an infant.

Just thought you'd like to know...

Blackaengel
07-08-2005, 08:47 PM
hey guys check out the gallery of Michael W. Ford! --> www.darknymph.com (http://www.darknymph.com)
my favourite: http://www.darknymph.com/images/butterfly.jpg

greetz

DDS
07-09-2005, 01:23 AM
I think that it all MAINLY depends on the subject itself. No matter where it's from.

Anyways I have a slight taste tendence to eastern ones...I can even say they're hot with a pullover that arrives until their chin, which is difficult in western ones...but I don't know if it's because that is difficult to see in western style, which always show the most flesh they can.

Asian culture itself is often more attractive than western. I think it's like comparing fast food and 5 stars french restaurant.
Of course there are A LOT of people that prefers fast food :)
(obviously the metaphor itself isn't focused to compare our food with theirs).

Anyways, answering the question of this thread, I'd say that all the beauties that get 4-5 stars here in cgtalk from korean/chinese artists are often my favourites.

groutcho
07-11-2005, 10:47 PM
I can even say they're hot with a pullover that arrives until their chin

Eh eh It's exactly the same for me, the bigger the pullover is, the hottest the girl. Maybe it's some conceptual beauty instead of physical beauty. Maybe the fact that the girl doesn't want to show her body, to keep some mystery around her, is more appealing that just seeing breasts and asses (since they're just matter, hmm ok great matter) Psychic constructions are always far more powerful than reality, because they are mush closer to the brain needs.

About some universal beauty : Maybe a "template" for perfect beauty is crypted in our DNA, and the closer the woman is to this DNA template, the prettier she seems. And don't forget we are still animals, with huge psychic constraints. For example, I'm white, and I tend to prefer white european girls, because their DNA is closer to mine, and animals tends to reproduce with the same genetic features. However, I'm a human too, and for this, I'm able to put a distance between what my instinct tells me (She is beautiful, according to my DNA) and what my consciousness tells me (She is beautiful, according to my ideals and intellectual views). As a mediterranean male, there is an old trend which leads men to dominate woman for sexual hidden reasons. But as my consciousness tells me : woman are equal. So i tend to hate submissive poses in photographs, and everything that -slightly or not- appeals to this domination trend.

- Groutcho

Flog
07-11-2005, 11:00 PM
Asian, European, Western

The most beautiful women are Latin women!!! LOL.

I'd like to see renditions of Latin Women in 3d!!!

onlooker
07-11-2005, 11:20 PM
That "secret" is really just their subjective taste in women. They (and most Asians) are into delicate, feminine, and soft features, with flawless, youthful fair skin, and no "excessiveness" in the facial features (for example, bee-stung Angelina Jolie lips, super-sharp cheek bones you can grate a block of cheese on..etc). Women like Pamela Anderson, Julia Roberts..etc might be considered Goddesses in the west, but to most Asian eyes, they have excessive features that are "too much" for their subjective taste. But in the west, these "excessiveness" are treasured as a sign of individuality and uniqueness. Another example would be that some westerners think that freckles are cute, but Asians can't stand freckles and think they destroy perfect skin and look diseased. Europeans' sense of beauty is generally more accepted in Asia, as there are more similarities in the subjective tastes of Asia and Europe.

Although Asians share similar tastes in women, the reason why the Koreans stand out with their work from other Asian countries is because they are on par with Japan technically, but the Japanese are usually too preoccupied with anime/manga influences, and that stylized look is highly subjective, and not always accepted universally. The Chinese and the other Asian countries are behind technically and creatively, so it'll be a while before they catch up to Korea and Japan--IF they ever catch up.


I must admit. I love freckled women. :D

Antropus
07-11-2005, 11:42 PM
Naaaaa... here's the most beautiful (and sexy) one:

http://www.antropus.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/mama_poltrona7.1.jpg

:p

jmBoekestein
07-12-2005, 01:00 AM
I just looooove moles on older women... :love:

Nice hooters too. :cry: OOooow baby, ahm duuumed...

nomorehere
07-12-2005, 02:27 AM
An interesting contrast about skin darkness is the differenc between the east and west. In America and Europe, suntan is something to be admired by most, and people bake themselves under the sun, risking skin cancer, accelerated aging, sun spots, freckles, wrinkles..etc to get that suntanned look. In Asia, it's the total opposite. Except for a small minority, most Asians hate suntans. They feel that darker skin is very peasant like, and fair skin is more "elegant and classy." They also can't stand freckles and sunspots, because they see them as "diseased."

I recall something on this from several years back; so I am a little vague on the details. In Northern Europe (or UK?) originally fairer skin was preferred due to peasant/middle class dictomy. Suntans being indicative of outdoor lifestyle. But when travel to warmer climes kicked off for the middle class suntans where in because it meant you could afford to go on holidays to Spain etc. So the prefence for fair vs suntan changed due to social and economic change.

DrFx
07-12-2005, 11:42 AM
That website has come up before, and I should mention that it is worthless BS.


Hear, hear! I heard of that kind of stuff on one of Desmond Morris' documentaries (whom I really admire), but never saw the logic in it. The Fibonacci "golden ratio" is a proportion that relates to normal growth as it occurs in nature, so any creature that grows without serious health problems will show that underlying pattern. It is quite simple to observe in non-complex plants and animals like snails, but not much so in humans.
One must also make a distinction between BEAUTY and ATTRACTION, because they're not the same and there has been some confusion about it in this thread. Although attraction is related to beauty, it is defined by how much a person feels that another one could succesfully reproduce with him/her and ensure their progeny's survival.
I put it rather bluntly, but that explains why sometimes we may find a person beautiful, but not (sexually) attractive. - for me, this is for ex. Nicole Kidman, or Giselle BŁndchen.

DrFx
07-12-2005, 11:48 AM
For example, I'm white, and I tend to prefer white european girls, because their DNA is closer to mine, and animals tends to reproduce with the same genetic features.



To an extent, I think. Actually diversity generates stronger children (more immune, less prone to genetic defects), so many people find other "exotic" races extremely attractive! I'm Eurasian, and I love blondes and freckles!!! :drool: ...despite what anyone might say...

Peddy
07-12-2005, 12:40 PM
whether we like it or not, we bring too much baggage to the table when talking about beauty. a universal 'most beautiful' is nonsense IMO. It's like saying something is perfect. its mathematically impossible for something to be perfect to everyone. and the probability that one 'template' exists which is superior than any other to everyone of every age, sex and ethnicity is nil to zero.

Shanku
08-29-2005, 04:34 AM
Although Asians share similar tastes in women, the reason why the Koreans stand out with their work from other Asian countries is because they are on par with Japan technically, but the Japanese are usually too preoccupied with anime/manga influences, and that stylized look is highly subjective, and not always accepted universally. The Chinese and the other Asian countries are behind technically and creatively, so it'll be a while before they catch up to Korea and Japan--IF they ever catch up.

Hmm.. To be honest, I think that chinese style is not really, um, widely known because they aren't widely spread around the world. But in my opinion, as I look through many chinese art, they always had a cute and yet realistic. I have seen many game cover arts, or even watercolor comics they had back in HK or TW. Here is an example of a chinese style:

These are arts from Heise. http://heise.deviantart.com/

Stahlberg
08-30-2005, 03:53 AM
hahahaha DUDE! I'm actually amazed. How can someone go through all that time in 3D without modelling something that's not a scandally clad person? (sorry, don't want 1929 biting me in the ass...but to clarify: not male)

Thanks. Here's an equally valid question - How can someone go through all that time in life without picking up some sense and manners?
(And wtf is 1929? The year Equador granted suffrage?)

That website has come up before, and I should mention that it is worthless BS.
The connection to math is obviously BS, but the mask itself seems to have SOME pragmatic worth for real life situations. (Though that mask should probably be blurry instead of sharp, signifying a statistical distribution. I also noted that I had to tweak the asian and african profiles quite a bit, like you said they were too close to the caucasian one.)
These days, the general thinking tends to be that there's a universal notion of beauty which is true for people around the world.
From here: http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/leroi05/leroi05_index.html
Bit more than two-thirds down the page.

Lunatique
08-30-2005, 05:10 AM
From here: http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/leroi05/leroi05_index.html
Bit more than two-thirds down the page.

Wow, I learned about Sonic the Hedgehog!

"Take, for instance, these children with a single eye in the middle of their foreheads. The syndrome is called, appropriately, Cyclopia. Cyclopia is caused by a deficiency in a gene called Sonic hedgehog. Sonic hedgehog is named after a fruit fly gene which when mutated causes bristles to sprout all over the fruit fly larva, hence "hedgehog". When the gene was found in mammals, some wit called it Sonic hedgehog after the video game character. If you get rid of this gene, bad things happen. You lose your arms beneath the elbow and legs beneath the knee. The face collapses in on itself, such that you get a single eye in the middle of the forehead and the rest of the face collapses into a long, trunk-like proboscis. The forebrain, which is normally divided such that we have a left and a right brainóthe left and right cerebral hemispheresóis fused into a single unitary structure. Indeed the technical name for this syndrome is called Holoprosencephaly.

Now all this is very horrible, and actually that's just an initial list of things that can go wrong in infants that have no Sonic hedgehog. But what's really interesting about it is that by looking at infants of this sort you can reverse-engineer and ask what Sonic hedgehog does in the embryo. Instantly it tells you that one of the things that Sonic hedgehog does is to keep our eyes apart because if you don't have the gene the face collapses. It also separates the left and and right sides of our brains. And it's needed for the formation of our arms and legs. In fact, it is one of the most ubiquitous and powerful molecules in the making of our bodies."

Metrini
08-30-2005, 11:22 AM
Asian, European, Western

The most beautiful women are Latin women!!! LOL.

I'd like to see renditions of Latin Women in 3d!!!

I hear that! Seems we black females aren't portrayed at all in 3d! Must be our sterotypical big noses or lips or butts. *shrug*

Yourworstnightmare
08-30-2005, 03:55 PM
I'd go for Asian women other than American women any day. I'd also go for European women rather than American women because of this.


http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2907/eurovsamerica8jo.jpg


Sadly, for the most part this is the truth.

Mrpeanut2
08-30-2005, 04:08 PM
I'd go for Asian women other than American women any day. I'd also go for European women rather than American women because of this.
Sadly, for the most part this is the truth.

It is true. I forgot where it is at, but I know it is over 50% who are clinically obese in the U.S. Just look at all the weight loss pills that are being advertised. I still remember a case where a woman sued Mc Donalds for making her obese. This is a person who has no confidence or ability to be responsibile for their actions.

Skirnir
08-31-2005, 05:01 PM
It is true. I forgot where it is at, but I know it is over 50% who are clinically obese in the U.S. Just look at all the weight loss pills that are being advertised. I still remember a case where a woman sued Mc Donalds for making her obese. This is a person who has no confidence or ability to be responsibile for their actions.

ugh don't remind me about stupid lawsuits...people breaking into a house and cutting themselves on knives near a window and winning the case, even though he BROKE INTO THE HOUSE...spilling hot coffee on oneself and blaming the company because the coffee machine did not say "hot coffee"; OF COURSE ITS F#$%ING HOT!!! ..

The OJ Simpson trial. :rolleyes: ooo did i just say that...must be a conspiracy!

bonestructure
09-01-2005, 04:13 PM
I like women with lots of moles. Dunno why, that spotted skin does things for me. I also have a deep love for asian women. I just watched a CG movie this morning called Ark. Had never heard of it, and it wasn't the best I've seen, basically just 3D anime, but one of the main characters was very beautiful. And the animation was done in South Korea. They do seem to have a handle on creating great women. They also have a healthy, theiving and extremely talented movie industry beyond CG. Korean horror movies are among the best in the world at the moment. With at least one, The Cure, being remade in America now.
I shoudl mention that I truly despise the current trend to take masterpieces of horror made in asia and dumb them down and remake them for american audiences. I also happen to find Chinese women the most beautiful in the world.

chow-mein
09-01-2005, 11:51 PM
I also happen to find Chinese women the most beautiful in the world.


Any good links?

lxcid
09-02-2005, 09:35 AM
This thread is very interesting. Especially the part on the discussion of how different type of people have different taste. We all know that this is a very subjective topic. So the focus would be on how different type of people's tase differ. These information would be useful. When you try to do arts for a specific group of people (your target audience), you can better grab the majority taste with this information. (I'm a not a artist so this is just my view)

Luna had exceptional analysis on the how the eastern's and western's view. I agree to many of them.

There is more factors that affect one's taste. I think our taste is a combination of 2 things in general. The society and one's character. That's why I think people of the same type had the same taste but when you go more detail they had a much different taste.

Anyway, I think the best 3D female character is Rinoa Heartilly of Final Fantasy 8. I think everyone was amazed by the beauty when it was release back then. It touched me at times when I play FF8. I think she still stand out when place with today 3D female character.

Lunatique
09-02-2005, 12:15 PM
One really interesting aspect to look into for people who are fans of Asian girls is the variation between Asian girls themselves in different Asian countries (specifically far east Asians). For example, Korean style of applying makeup is really popular in Chinese countries at the moment (Taiwan, China, Hong Kong), because Korean films, TV shows, and music have become very popular in Asia. The Korean makeup artists are very good at emphasizing the eyes, by applying heavy eye liner and mascara on the top eyelid, with light glitter/frosting between the eyebrows and the upper eyelid to make the contrast even stronger. It's so distinct that when I turn on the TV in China, I can spot a Korean TV show even when there's no dialogue happening at the moment, just by looking at the actors and how they are madeup and how they are dressed. It's the same thing with Japanese TV shows--there's a very distinct way that the Japanese makeup artists apply makeup, and the way the Japanese dresses is also very different.

The Chinese is always playing catchup or trying to mimic/imitate the Japanese or the Koreans, as those two countries are perceived as a lot more advanced in entertainment industry, fashion, and society in general. But even between the Chinese countries, there are leaders and followers. China, being a developing country, looks up to Taiwan and Hong kong (developed countries--yes, I think of HK as a country) in terms of entertainment and fashion. The TV shows in China are always trying to copy the shows in Taiwan and Hong kong, and in turn, the TV shows in Taiwan and Hong Kong copy the Japanese and the Koreans. In the music industry, the same thing happens. It's been common practice for decades for the Chinese to do cover versions of Japanese or Korean songs in Chinese, but you never see the reverse happening. The Japanese and the Koreans would never copy the Chinese, as they feel they are superior when it comes to the entertainment industry and fashion. Ironically though, both the Japanese and the Koreans based their culture on the Chinese culture in the early centuries.

All of this has a strong impact on how girls look in Asia. The hippest girls in Chinese countries are typically the ones that mimic the Korean or the Japanese style in the way they dress and the way they apply makeup (and even the music they listen to). Some Chinese girls dye their hair auburn, sienna brown, or blonde, to mimic the kind of look that is very popular in Japan and Korea. If you know Hamasaki Ayumi from Japan, or the girls of Baby V.O.X. in Korea, then you know exactly what I'm talking about. The hair dyeing might seem like they are trying to westernize themselves--which is sort of correct, but not really. It's more about trying to break away from the default black hair and brown eyes look that all Asians have. Since all all Asian have the same hair and eye color, you simply don't have the kind of natural variety you'd see in caucassians where there are various shades of hair and eye colors, so to feel more unique, Asian girls resort to hair dyes and sometimes, colored contact lenses.

Currently, the Koreans have been really into the "hot and sexy" look, as perfectly demonstrated by Lee Hyori (a member of the girl group Fin.KL). She's widely voted as the hottest Korean girl on the planet, and that look of hers is now often imitated in the Chinese music industry, down to the dance moves, clothes, makeup..etc. And then there's also Hamasaki Ayumi, who's also often imitated by the Chinese.

Regrettably, I've left out many other Asian countries such as Vietnam, Thailand, India..etc, and they present even more variety. I personally find Indian women very attractive, but I find them similar to darker Caucassians like the Italians or the Spanish in terms of facial features and body shape--except with even darker skin.

Now, to balance out all these words, lets have some pictures of some of the most popular Asian celebrities at the moment:

Lin Chiling - Currently the most famous supermodel in Taiwan:
http://ent.tom.com/images/zhuanti/linzhiling/d/153.jpg

And yes, she does have a supermodel body to go with that face:
http://ent.tom.com/images/zhuanti/linzhiling/d/49.jpg

Hamasaki Ayumi - The most popular female music artist in Japan:
http://www.hamasaki-republic.org/images/pics/pic43.jpg

Hamasaki's success is partly due to her changing image, which is thrilling for her fans:
http://www.hamasaki-republic.org/images/pics/pic22.jpg
http://www.ayumi-hamasaki.org/gallery/albums/modelpromo/classy/alex_scan_ah_046.jpg

Lee Hyori - Voted the hottest Korean girl on the planet. Part of the girl group Fin.KL (and now has a successful solo career--although her singing is nothing to write home to mom about. She pretty much gets by with her looks and sexy dace moves/clothes):
http://www.bjunkyard.com/gallery/data/570/medium/n2o_1412_99378_2.jpg

Like I said, she gets by with her looks and dance moves:
http://www.bjunkyard.com/gallery/data/568/11316Hyolee_3.jpg
http://www.bjunkyard.com/gallery/data/568/2833pic_red_1664.jpg

Her more innocent look in the early days with Fin.kl:
http://www.bjunkyard.com/gallery/data/506/2833pic_red_0034.jpg

Out of the three of them, Chiling is the only one I like. She's the only one that has class, had an education (She graduated from the University of Toronto with a double major in economics and Western art history.), and an un-gimmicky image.

Julez4001
09-02-2005, 03:42 PM
I hear that! Seems we black females aren't portrayed at all in 3d! Must be our sterotypical big noses or lips or butts. *shrug*


I hear you, girl but you know you are loved.
I think that even here on the boards, that the african, african-american, non-white hispanic population are wholly unrepressented because the artist here are dominanted by caucasian males, and then (by a large gap) asian males. Sort of like the comic book industry.
Even the main twoo contrast being used is european and asian counterparts and this may be more due to territory expansion, and conquest and the dominating civilizations. Now with that said, I think lot of southern asian and pacific Islanders countries that never gets a voice in the asian market. These guys tend to have a wider nose and definitely golden suntanned skin that is naturally due o their location and lifestyle.


Africans who could probably attribute a third view can't truly represent because their global/economical position does not give them a foothold or large user base (you can see that they are not a lot of folks from african countires here) to debate. But if there is anyone who are from or lived among the various african countries please chime in.

The rest of the world, middle eastern, arabic, african-americans, hispanics and even Indians are all mixed racial types. Each of these groups depending on their location and history can either challenge or champion traditional "albeit stereotypical" physical/racial aesthetic.

As African-Americans, we are torn between natural and beautiful attributes from the "motherland" and the constant bombardment of the european beauty standards thru media and historical interactions. While Halle Berry is very beauty by all Americans standards, she represents a look that can only be achieve by direct miscegenation. A "more african" beauty would be better represented by looking at women such as Lauryn Hill, Tyra Banks or Naiomi Campbell. Who all have the wider nose and thicker lips. Different skin tones from the red to blue tones to their dark skin. As for butts, well I think that J-LO and Vida Guierra are allowing caucasians ,who have those features, to be loved in the public eye. Blacks, however, have always enjoyed this aspect and always showed the love.


http://ctran.free.fr/themes/Photo2/lauryn_hill_01.jpg


http://www.studio5tv.com/studio/n/naomi6j.jpg


and for the asian "youth" like appearance, a very young Tyra Banks.



http://www.studio5tv.com/studio/t/tyra9.jpg




I also think that african-american males love the more sexually 'aggressive" looking women like Angelina Jolie (who does have a of "aa" features) over women like Zhang. I don't understand how Jennifer Anniston or Sarah Jessica Parker (I find less attractive) usually truimphant over the european standards of beauty verus say... Laura Prepon (redhead on 70s show- a real beauty--HOT, HOT) or Charlize Theron (nuff said).

Llynna
09-02-2005, 04:06 PM
in one point you stand corrected Lunatique: all girls are addicted to hair dye and coloured lenses ;). most of the girls her in europe dye their hair in pale blond. also most women arent satisfied with their haircolour whatever colour it is. most people bugged me when i died my hair black because i have coppery hair and they thought i have gone mad to dye them (well, i think so now myself *gg*)
i just read the threat and found it very interesting. my thought was: i am going to move to aisa *gg* because nobody there wants you to get sunburned (i am not getting brown, even a little, i am actually pale white). but i think aside from the symetrie of a face, all the other things are really subjective.

SpeccySteve
09-02-2005, 04:20 PM
in one point you stand corrected Lunatique: all girls are addicted to hair dye

Certainly true in the UK.

I think every woman I know has dyed her hair a zany colour at one time or another.

My girlfriend has had brown, blonde, red, black, orange, white and blue hair since we started going out.

-Steve

Stahlberg
09-02-2005, 05:01 PM
I like 'exoticism', that is, something far from my gene pool. I like the Asian look as much as the next guy... but, it is possible to tire of the frail ethereal waif-child look, just like one can tire of eating sufflet or Crepe Suzette all the time... :)
Cherokee (guess who):
http://www.virtualgifts4u.com/ppl/cher.htm
Norwegian/Jamaican - Naomi:
http://www.blazinbeauties.com/images4/naomi_campbell/naomi_campbell_7.jpg
Indian - Aishwarya Ray:
http://www.gossipnews.it/cinema/cannes_2004/28.shtml
(Sorry Gong Li and Letitia Casta on her left and right, but you just don't measure up in this company :) )

PatternRecognition
09-02-2005, 05:24 PM
Um, sorry to butt in like this, but Cher is Armenian. :)

Stahlberg
09-02-2005, 05:50 PM
Heh, cool, never bothered to find that out before, just liked her. :)

Just found this:
Cher, who grew up with one half sister, is the daughter of a mother, Georgia, with Irish, English, German and Cherokee bloodlines, and a father, John, whose parents left Armenia

Julez4001
09-03-2005, 05:17 AM
Naiomi Campbell
Her mother is Black (Jamaican), her father is Multiracial, at least partly Chinese (according to Arena Magazine her mother said "he was of mixed race and had a touch of Chinese in him") She began her career at 15, when a Ford Models exec spotted her walking down a London Street. She spent two years on the Paris runway and hit the cover of French Vogue. She is one of the most well known models in the world.





"(Sorry Gong Li and Letitia Casta on her left and right, but you just don't measure up in this company :) )"


You hit it on the head, Steven.

Adriana Lima is another beauty who has "exoticism" (wonder what her hertiage is).

Try modeling that Steven: Either a Naiomi -ish or Adriana-ish female for your next digital beauty.

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