Backdrop TOTAL nightmare

[Mike RB]

I really don't know what's going on but here are a few things to try.

-rename the images it's trying to load so that it cant find them
-if you do get it to work by deleting the configs, add a different image that's in a different formet to try and clear out any "memory" of the probelm.
-see if its a graphics card issue with the contrast brightness overlay modes, try not using them if you are...

thats all I can think of.

Mike

[Phil Lawson]

As a work around, you could resave the image in a paint program to a different file format. Try .tga maybe?

Cheers.

[Dion Burgoyne]

What kind of images are these, what kind of video card, what are the system spec's

[MArll]

ok, firstly, I tried the .tga thing and it hasn't affected the behaviour one bit.

they were originally just standard JPEGs...
I have tried loading image and drag and dropping. as i say, this works on first run, but not thereafter.
if i trash the config, i get to insert and work with the backdrops as normal, but after next restart of the app.... crash city

dion, i am running winXP with an AMD 2400+ and 1 GB of DDR Ram.
don't laugh, but i bout an ATI RADeo 7200 64MB card and modo would not run on it at all
so now, i am using a nVidia GeFOrce MX400 which is only 32MB... enough to run LW and XSI though! :)
I have installed the latest video drivers from nVidia...

regards
marll

[MadMax]

I currently have more than a dozen configurations saved with background images for various projects I am working on, none crash the program at all, so I really doubt you are looking at a Modo bug as much as a hardware or driver issue with your system.

In fact, program crashes are exceedingly rare if your system is setup correctly and proper drivers are installed.



hi,
i have tried searching everywhere for a solution to this.
whenever i manage to load backdrop images, next time i re-open the file, the app. invariably crashes out completely.

[MArll]

are you kidding?
then you are a very lucky user... modo is notoriously buggy..
couldn't you give advice instead of being sanctimonious and full of yourself?
i know a lot about computers. i've been using them for years so i don't appreciate condescension

edit: your signature says it all really

[Mike RB]

"notoriously buggy"?

I've run into some annyoing quirks with implementation. But I'd hardly call modo notoriously buggy... I have yet to have a single crash. Much more stable than LW generally is.

Mike

[MadMax]

are you kidding?
then you are a very lucky user... modo is notoriously buggy..

No, it's not really at all. It does have some quirks to it, but hardly notorious. It's hardly as issue of being lucky as making sure a system is set up properly and using the correct drivers.

Many users reported their issues went away when they changed drivers.


couldn't you give advice instead of being sanctimonious and full of yourself?


Just what was sanctimonious about relating factual information? I have numerous saved configurations that do not crash modo, and it's a pretty stable application, enough to use as a main tool. I provided advice, that you might have a driver issue.

If you are going to resort to personal attacks because you don't like the answer then don't bother asking for help.

i know a lot about computers. i've been using them for years so i don't appreciate condescension


Apparently not enough.

[Phil Lawson]

I have installed the latest video drivers from nVidia...

Dion just posted that they dont recommend the latest drivers from Nvidia.

I would try the 71.xx range and see how it goes...for a geforce 4, you might even have to try 61.xx range as these were the drivers designed to include the geforce 4 range.

Not too many people have posted this problem...I dont remember another post to be honest, so it is pointing to more of your system compatibility with modo.

Also, which config files did you delete? The ones in the modo folder? or the main one that is hidden in documents and settings?

[DanSilverman]

You seriously need to look into updating your video card. Neither of the two cards you mentioned are very good by today's standards and their chip technology is very old. You can get a decent video card with 128 MB of RAM for next to nothing (especially since many of the new cards have 256 MB).

Besides having the latest approved drivers installed, you need to make sure there are no remnants of any of the older drivers on your system. Video drivers are notorious for leaving bits and pieces of themselves behind and this can cause all sorts of havok with certain programs when certain features are trying to be accessed. Please ensure that all of the old drivers are removed and then reinstall the drivers you want to use. There is a freeware software out there called DriverRemover that will do the job for you. I recommend looking for that.

I also experience crashes from time to time, but I am able to use Modo professionally in my business and I use it every day for extended hours. If Modo was so notoriously unstable I would not be able to use the software for business purposes.

[MArll]

yes , i am aware that my gfx needs updating. I am not in a position to do it right now.

the latest development in this farago seems related to the saving of the viewports themselves. i trashed my config and then reset-up the project, carefully saving my viewports as i progressed. when i reopened, one viewport was entirely absent from the list of available views. it's simply disappeared.
also, and this is quite odd, when i hit my numeric keys, 1,2,3 etc, modo instantly crashes out.
So, forgive me if I said 'notorious', but there are issues on this app. that say to me, imho, that there are some major problems here.
I have searched on this and other forums and I am not alone in suffering this problem.
I do not believe that it's a graphics related issue, but again, that's my own personal opinion.
thanks

marll

[jscott]

marll, are you still experiencing the problem with having a background image crash Modo? If so I was just curious what the source application was for the images?

-jscott

[MArll]

marll, are you still experiencing the problem with having a background image crash Modo? If so I was just curious what the source application was for the images?

-jscott

i'm not quite sure what you mean.. the images are from the ZIP file that accompanies Dion's head modelling tutorial. they are jpegsa, but i have tried converting them into TGA's also...
I don't think it's the images themselves crashing Modo. It's something to do with the fact that the app seems to loose the link to the pics so when you open up the Material Editor they are missing. If I load an image in, that's fine until i restart the project. That's when all my problems start...

[jamesvalue]

MArll!


You can try , to save-as , a 4viewport complete layout whith an added and adjusted backdrop image into each view (or whatever UIconf you need) , instead of saving viewprts.

Once you open your file anyway , you have to recall it(not always) .


Bye

[StephanD]

don't laugh, but i bout an ATI RADeo 7200 64MB card and modo would not run on it at all
so now,


It does run on an ati Radeon 7000 even with the supplied CD drivers.

When you load a background image in your viewports,save a layout and you'll be good...Didn't even think there was any other way.


This is only a remark but everyone I see having lots of crashes are under XP.Win2k seems more stable from what I've seen so far...and from many other softwares I've used in the past too.

[jamesvalue]

The other way is saving 3d specific viewports only (and assign them a Key), instead of saving , complete UI backdropped -layouts!

That's what yoiu'll find whithin many Lux. TUTs

Bye

[MArll]

can you be more specific?
I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean

thanks

marll

[MArll]

actually, i think i have worked it out now... and it's a workaround that actually seems to work!!! So thankyou thankyou!
what i do now is load up my project and before i do anything i load the layout and all seems to work, even the hotkeys which usually casued the app to crash every time!
did i say thanks already!
:)

a happy shopper

[jamesvalue]

Happy in helping people!


So you don't need any other help? Right?


Bye

[MArll]

oh i always need hep my friend... lots of it
you'll be hearing from me very shortly i'll wager

[jamesvalue]

oh i always need hep my friend... lots of it
you'll be hearing from me very shortly i'll wager


So (this is my tecnique)
1 - Using the "file menu"load your backdrop images into Modo (ctrl+I)

2 - Ensure your layout is the standard default Modo 4 viewports (not mandatory anyway!)
3 - Enlarge the front viewport (0 key) and load the correct backdrop image for it(I.E. AdrianaFront.jpg) , if needed , adjust the image using the view menu (adjust Backdrop image's tool)
4 - now switch to the side viewport and load/adjust another Backdrop image.(I.E. AdrianaSide.jpg)

5 - Now restore to 4 view and save-as your layout using a "nice name".
You can now use this layout every time you need it , since now it's available inside Modo's memory layouts , but every time you modify it , keep in mind , you have to re-save it!

(sorry for my English)

Bye

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