LizBeast - WIP

[rootdown]

I approve of those designs!

[Sparty]

Great start. It kinda reminds me of one of the creatures in the movie "Evolution". =)

[Heber]

hey scott,
very good start, i would rework the design a bit more, its got character but the torso itself seems a little empty.
I would maybe show the spine coming up in some areas as welll as the rib cage to show this creature also has a skeletal structure that supports it , will make it far more interesting imo.
So think about the many layers that would make up this creaute if it existed, fat , sinew, muscle and bone, try to think how they would all overlap and work together study some animal reference and it will inspire you, You dont need alot of gack on him just make it a solid model.
Also dont forget to use zbrush :)

[sarNz]

looks great so far scotcho! the only crit that i have is that his mouth skin should maybe be a little bit fatter. it looks kinda thin right now and it stands out a little with his huge weight and sagginess hanging over his knees. anywyays great work sorry if this doesnt make much sense im about to pass out im so tired... :buttrock:

[Scotcho]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'll check out that evolution creature. I agree with you Heeb.. I'll give that body work another run through with an anatomy eye. Zbrush is a for sure on this guy, can't wait to try that program. I'll be updating tomorrow.

[J.Wilson]

hey adam,
man its looking sweet...:applause: i think i would have to agree with heber maybe you should show the spine coming up in some areas as well as the rib cage it would add alot of character to this creature. also i think the jaw comes up a bit to high just below the eye, but thats just my opinion:thumbsup:

keep it coming man
this is gonna get intresting!
cheers

[Scotcho]

Thanks for the comments. Heres an update. Plan on doing some tweaking and starting zbrush tomorrow if all goes well. I appreciate any feedback you guys might have.


http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/beastdaythree.jpg

[Neeno]

great start really roughing out the shape of the model... looking good dude.. the back end looks boring to me imo.. for some reason he reminds me too much of komodo dragon.. i have many lizards as pets and they would all look stupid if they didnt have a tail and i think this is the case here since your creature looks very much like a komodo.....It just seems to be unbalanced if thats the way i can put it, all this weight in the front with no balance in the back doesnt seem normal to me because all large creatures that have huge body's like this dude either dont have a tail and there legs are positioned higher to balance the weight or they have a tail... when you z brush it i think my opinion will change because you'll add some deformation to make it un boring in the skin, but then again i still think a large tail would be a little bit better then a boring end and unbalanced end.. i hope i dont sound like a fool but at least im an honest fool lol... but overall dude ur model owns... good work..

[Gkaine]

looks great, i wanna see more

[Scotcho]

Here's another update. Its my first attempt at zbrush, and my first pass. Next pass will cover his scales, veins, and finer wrinkles and tendans.

Neeno - Thanks for the interest! I see what you mean about not having a tail. I think he may look awkward right now because he isn't rigged and balanced out, and giving him a larger tail will make him more dinosaur like which I'm trying to stay away from. I extended it a tiny bit, but I'll make sure the pose will balance him because he default isn't right now. He's very front heavy.

Gkaine - Thanks, glad you like it.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/beastdayfive.jpg

[DELETE]

Wow, nice work. No crits, jus question: Have you tried to add tail? This is not suggestion, just asking? Great work.

[Sherif.Nagib]

gr8 work scott, I like what u did in zbrush, wisely added details..it's good that u didn't go too far with wrinkles and details at first pass, I agree with what neeno said about his back end.. but I'll wait to see how is it gonna be after adding props and rigging it.
good luck

[Scotcho]

I have tried fooling around with tail designs in photoshop and they didn't seem to fit the character I'm going for. If this design doesn't work out then I'll give him something.

[bobtronic]

I really like this, it's a nice design. Also I love the creases and folds. No crits so far, you seem to know what you are doing. I will follow your progress.

best,
Bob

[Scotcho]

Thanks for the comment Bobtronic. Here's a texture update.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/beastdaysix.jpg

[Chems]

Wow nice stuff mate, that looks awesome, did you zbrush that detail in or when you say texture you mean bump map? That has to be the most impressive bump map Ive seen since the fishermans head!

[Neeno]

nice z brush work.....keep it up scotcho... well done

[oron]

Great job! I liked it a lot, what about the tail? ;)

[Jukkat]

Looking good ! Nice detail work.

[WermooZ]

Nice model man - I'm waiting for texture :)

[Sherif.Nagib]

looks awesome.. specially the legs.. but I guess the texture on his back needs some tweaking , those big circular bumps look blurry and somewhat fake, I might be wrong or maybe it's gonna look different when colored. as for the eyes, u might want to add more details to it.. here are some refs :
http://www.phototalk.net/photos/data/500/1530Lizard_Eye1.jpg
http://p.webshots.com/ProThumbs/14/4414_wallpaper280.jpg

I guess if you're still having problem finding the perfect tail it could be just hidden by props or big piece of cloth that looks like a part of his "dress" (or whatever it's called), specially that the fisherman is gonna be riding him so you'll have lots of props and hanging stuff.. maybe that would help :
http://www.the-wood.com/photos/patterns/animal/elephant-02.jpg
http://www.hillary.org/hillary/bill.elephant.india.jpg
http://features.aroundcarolina.com/india/art/elephant.gif



anyways, good job and go on :thumbsup:

[Scotcho]

Thanks for all the nice comments guys, it really motivates me.

Chem - this is all zbrush work. I'm working on the bump now. I'm waiting for another update on your character.

Sherif - thanks for the crit, I agree with you about the bumps on the back. I find when I bring it back into XSI I lose a lot of detail, so my bump map will have to make up for it. I'll be detailing the eye with the bump as well; thanks for spending your time to gather some ref images for me. As for the fisherman riding the beast, I'm most likely make a new character that'll suit him more. I'll post some more concept in a bit.

[fabianloing]

hey scot!
how are you?
WOW! that is very impressive! i LOVE it!
Good work man! keep it up!
the design is really cool too!

-Fab

[andrebranco]

Hey Adam!

I'm liking the progress of the model...A LOT! :thumbsup:

Modeling wise....not much to say....You know your path...now, just walk on it:scream:

Animation...afterwards...of course. What if the beast would do like the elephants and rhinos, you know when they stand by a tree, and rub the skin on it?! That would be sweet! :bounce:

Color, Bump and Spec maps.....would look nice if you'd add some mud on the back, like if the beats just came from a mud bath, like hippos and crocs! hehehe

Great Job, SpongeBullet!

[andrebranco]

...5 stars! ;)

[J.Wilson]

holly mouses,
great work adam, this creature really came together since your original design,
i really like your z brush work it adds alot to this, http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif
keep up the sexy work man you inspire me!
dam your fast!

cheers

[chikos]

The bump is marvelous, great model! Although I'm not too sure about that cylindric part over the front and back leg, that seems to connect them... Anyway, 5 stars!!!

[BAEKON]

hey scotcho, this is some really impressive modeling. i swear all you guys at vfs were born to model. I'm looking at this and man, i can't give anything to to crit, just beautiful work, can't wait to see some colors and claws. keep it up.

-alex

[Intervain]

Awesome work Adam!!! Keep it up :thumbsup: I can't wait to see the coloured version either !

[Chems]

Thanks for all the nice comments guys, it really motivates me.

Chem - this is all zbrush work. I'm working on the bump now. I'm waiting for another update on your character.



lol, its Chems mate, a real life name! (No one uses my real name as I guess your name is the nickname of your second name) As for my character, I have to do my work for the Studio this week or Im gonna get fired. Nice Zbrush stuff, I might pick up a copy of that sometime in the future.

[gunslingerblack]

mmm very nice progress so far on this, keep going, i definitely can't wait to see his mouth opened up, he looks like he's got a nice gullet. (looks alittle like sin from ffX in the face)

keep up the good work man

[Scotcho]

Thanks for the comments guys. Yeah I can't wait until he's coloured either, and face shapes will be fun. I've thrown together a concept for a rider, since I've been waiting for my displacement to render. I'm leaning toward a voodoo-like rider.. he has a collection of animal skulls strung behind him and throwing spears on his right. Nothing is finalized yet so I'm eager to hear any suggestions.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/riderconcept.jpg

[Sherif.Nagib]

that definitely matches with him more than the fisherman, good choice..
I've no comments on the rider in this stage actually, I like the fact that you're giving him this belly, even if the rest of his body is kinda muscular the belly would still work .. kinda different from the fisherman cause the fisherman was a fit guy .
and actually with an african guy/warrior you'll have lots of work to do with texturing and props and also tons of options to choose from, the way they dress vary from an area to another, and their position in the tribe too, I wouldn't count only on the internet here and I would definitely pay a visit to the vancouver public library, u don't have to be a member to search for some refs and photocopy them, they even have a color photocopier (I guess u'll have to pay for that tho), or take a digital camera with you.

http://trinitywholesale.com/figurines/african/images/african_warrior_3_cu.jpg
http://www.youtoocandraw.com/photogallery/young-african-warrior-hf.jpg
http://trinitywholesale.com/figurines/african/images/african_warrior_7_cu.jpg
http://web.tiscali.it/ffantasy/Frazetta/AfricanWarrior.jpg


go no :buttrock:

[J.Wilson]

yo adam ,
i really like where your going with this new character design theres alot you can do with this one, it definatly has a better feel than the fisherman, imo you should do alot of piercing in the flesh and some tribal tattoos, maybe give him a shield of some sort, that would be intresting, over all good job tho man

cant wait to see how this turns out, ill sure you will be done ths guy in no time!
http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif
keep it comin man
great job
cheers

[Heber]

i love it! onward adam!
cant wait to see your final product, promising concept.

[Scotcho]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I've been tweaking the geometry a bit but working mostly on texturing. Heres a coloured update, with bump and displacement as well. Still have spec to do. After his skin is done I'll do his claws, then I'll open his mouth up and finish that. Looking forward to your comments and crits.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/beastcolour.jpg

[the_WrongChoice]

looks very good so far :) i really like how you modeled the elbow but it looks like the knees need a bit more defenition... i mean there are a lot of detail but imo the main details are kinda lost, but maybe it's the lightning. it was hardcore nitpicking though :)

[Chems]

Wow, texture looks great. Nice job mate.

[Ben3000]

Hi,

This is amazing work and has come a long way since the concept. I just have one crit which is from a biological point of view (although this aint a real creature!). The area where the skull meets the spine seems to be bent at an awkward angle, so that the skull seems to be pushed back too far. I realise that youre going for a certain style so this may be ignored....

but other than this small detail it is an excellent piece and you are a hugely talented artist.

Well done!!! 9 thumbs up!


PS. I also just had a thought about the whole tail problem (i agree that it would look better with a tail). If you really dont want the tail, you could make it look like its been torn off or amputated, recently or long ago. This would also add depth and context to the character (fitting in with the voodoo/warrior who is his master)

[katalyzt]

I love it. There isn't really much to say but if I had to find someting to crit I would say that underneath his tail/nub is a little flat, but I don't know if that's part of the design. Good Zbrushing skills, good bump mapping, and good coloring. Definatly inspirational. 5 stars dude :thumbsup:

*Subscribed*

[Scotcho]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I agree with you on the head position. I'll make those adjustments for next post. I'll also do something with his nub. Great ideas there Ben.

[AndrewHwang]

hey scotcho, i love the consistent updates, but i think you rushed your texture abit, not sure what the red spots are supposed to be, they look more like blotches of spray paint. Overall tones and values are very nice though, looks like toad skin if that is what you are going for. Looking forward to some more updates man, keep it up :)

[Neeno]

ooh la la... nice textures scotcho... excellent work.. the main things have been pointed out for example the knees so no crits from me... liking it alot...

[Sherif.Nagib]

well, as I said before.. awesome work man , the dark spots on the big bumps really worked fine in hiding the blurriness of it, but I have to agree with andrew on the red spots, to be frank I didn't notice them at the start.. but after I read his post suddenly they became annoying .. they look kinda random , specially having one of them on one eye and not on the other side. but other than that I think the texture is really amazing and just by looking at it you can tell the amount of work that's put into it .

waiting for the next model :bounce:

[grooshka]

just want to say I admire your work. you are a true 3d artist. good luck with your demo reel.

[LaMereHic]

very nice character
i love it's design and modeling
keep up the good work

[fabionguzman]

great work, i love the concept,

[Joee]

Wow, thats impressive so far, im loving the model and texturing

[Scotcho]

Thanks for all the comments guys. This will be the last update before I start the rider and saddle. Still got a bit to fix on the beast for sure.

AndrewHwang – Totally agree with the spray painted red. I died that down a lot and blended it more with the skin. I was looking at a lot of toad references for when I was texturing, but only based my texture on it… couldn’t go all the way because with the size he is it wouldn’t look right.

Neeno – Thanks Neeno, always nice to hear from you.

Sherif.Nagib – Thanks for the crit, glad you like it.

Grooshka – Thankyou

LaMereHic – Thanks for your comment

Fabionguzman – Thanks.. I’m still waiting for updates for your Puker model, plan on finishing that?

Joee – Thanks!

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/beastfull.jpg

[Chems]

Looks perfect to me, no crits at all. Looking foward to the rider character, watching your work is such a pleasure.

[Sherif.Nagib]

Looks perfect to me, no crits at all. Looking foward to the rider character, watching your work is such a pleasure.

diTTo
5 stars

[Neeno]

so when do i get to ride this beast of burden scotcho old buddy ol' pal?

Excellent work.. really coming along and looks more realistic everytime..the shader is looking alot better.. :thumbsup:

see ya soon!

[AndrewHwang]

Thats looking mighty fine there scotcho, glad i subscribed to this thread, im learning alot on how to improve my future textures just by seeing yours as an example.

[qwed88]

Awesome!, quality straight outta Starwars

[Heber]

nice update , i like where this has gone i thought before it looked too saturated.
I still have a bit of a problem with the overall tones of this beast. Its mostly green i think you could find some complimentary colors and apply them to his belly, where does this creature live? maybe a thinl layer of moss on his back , purples around the eyes, subtle dirt inside the creases, warts, moles and other deep blemishing. Anyhow you are on the righ track scott, just a bit more.
-heber

[grafi]

nice texturing and modeling.

[tobala75]

Nice! Real nice if this is your first attempt with zBrush. Almost perfect, my only (personal) crit is the specular, i think he looks dirty enough to have worn out any specular-map-what-so-ever.

Real nice transfer from concept to model too, gj!

Peace!

[fabionguzman]

LaMereHic – Thanks for your comment

Fabionguzman – Thanks.. I’m still waiting for updates for your Puker model, plan on finishing that?




yep, i'm still working on it, my net at home is acting up so i'm checking cgtalk at my girlfriends house, lol to lazy to bring the files over here, it's about done and i'm working on a nre female model, i should have them up next week, thanks for your support scotcho, it really means alot and helps me a great deal, keep up the work on this great model

[feebsicle]

stop being so great.
and fast at making things.

i mean, you can. just stop it though.

-feebs "can't animate well" bergman


p.s. i like the voodoo warrior guy alot better for this beast.
but in my opinion, i think you should work on the design of the warrior a little bit more. for example, to me he looks like he might come from the desert. but the beast seems to be more of a swampy creature. maybe give the warrior things like fish scale armor/clothing and accesories with grasses and cat-tails and stuff? and the paint on his skin could be more like mud/chlorophyl/blood colours. i'm liking the skull helmet :)

[Scotcho]

Thanks for the awesome feedback, its really helping me out. Still working on the saddle.. I went back to the fisherman to adjust some lighting for rendering but I'm back to modelling the toad beast. Updates will be next.

Chems - Thanks buddy, now lets see some head updates.

Sherif.Nagib - Thank you

Neeno - Oh I don't think you'll be able to handle the beast.. Glad you like it!

AndrewHwang - Thanks for the comment, nice to know my thread is helping you out as well.

qwed88 - Not quite there yet but I'll keep working toward that quality, thanks.

Heber - Greats ideas Heber, I'll use them for sure. Thinking about wearing his elbows and knees down a bit too.

grafi - Thanks

tobala75 - I'll rework the spec, I've got a few things on it I'd like to change on it for sure.

fabionguzman - Ah I knew there was a good excuse behind it. Can't wait to see your next model.

feebsicle - I agree 100% with you; I really want to work more of the swampish theme into the rider. I'll make adjustments for sure. Thanks.

[Meng Lee]

HOLY SmokeS!!

Scotcho, last time I looked at your monitor your beast was still a proxy! I swear it seemed like only yesterday!!! Your modeling is top notch and I can't wait to see your warrior dude.
Soo....I guess when I get to lab tommorrow he'll be done right?!!

the speed & quality of your work continues to astound me!!
Full stride ahead man can't wait to see you final reel.

[Scotcho]

Heres what I've got so far for the saddle and accessories.. they're still not finalized. Still have lots more to add. Thanks for the motivation Meng. Nice to see you found your speed groove with hard body modelling.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/beastsaddle.jpg

[Chems]

lol once again you prove your modelling is as great as your texturing and your attention to detail and concept excellent. I look foward to see what type of job you get after VFS. Great work Scotcio. My crit is a physical one, like on a horse you need something to stop the sadle slipping, a horse has the curve of the horses back to stop this, but still some have a strap that goes around the front of the horse. maybe something similar on this beast?

[Scotcho]

Thanks Chems, I've been planning on something like that. Here's a pic to show you.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/beastquickproxy.jpg

[Chems]

Oh yeah, that looks much better. Thats a really good concept you got going there. Loving it, no I have no crits.

[SUS]

Absolutely great work!

Great model and style!
Also great zbrush work!

Keep with the excellent work!

[thjazi]

great design and concept, modeling is clean !!! :bounce:

[ROWAN]

seeing the hunter character in it back brings the beast to life ,cant wait to see the hunter finished :eek:

[wizzzfx]

Then we weiting on a character !! :)

[grafi]

Woooooooooooow, this is awesome!

[Scotcho]

Thanks for all the comments guys, nice to see you're diggin it. Sorry for the delay for the update, I took a break and made a low poly character. Here's the latest of the beast.. just started defining the rider.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/beastcanopy.jpg

[shraga]

hey adam- I'm also diging your beast!- great work..
I don't know how you come up with all those accesories.

only crit would be to add more rope- it can never hurt:)

[fabianloing]

hai scot,

wow man! i am really really loving your model!
Great design, and awesome detail!! really awesome detail!
GREAT WORK! man, can't wait to see it textured!
Keep it up scot!

-Fab

[Chems]

Awesome stuff mate, I love the use of the bone in the saddle, and the cloth falling down the rear of the beast. Excellent detail, no crits from me, its perfect.

[Squash-n-Stretch]

Brilliant Z-Brushing, particularly on the canvas!

[katalyzt]

Wow I haven't been back to check this one in awhile... You moved along very nice. I like your composition and attention to detail (folds in leather and cloth, buckles, straps, etc.). I could definatly see this guy trompsing (is that a word? :shrug:) through the forest. I can't wait to see the final render :thumbsup:

[pum]

Looking good, dude, nothing to comment so far. You seem to enjoy things with a lot of detail, eh?hehe

cheers,
HB

[Neeno]

:thumbsup: what can i say dude.. you've outsmarted your mentors!! excellent job!

[Scotcho]

Heres an update with the rider.. thanks for leaving your comments. I'll be unwrapping pretty quick then taking the rider and a few objects into zbrush (skulls, antlers, wood pieces, etc). Might take a wee bit for the unwrap but I've got my hopes high. Zbrush updates will be next hopefully.

shraga - thanks, I put more rope on the antlers for ya

fabianloing - thanks a lot fab.. its nice to see you again, can't wait to see what you're up to in a few months

Chems - thank you

Squash-n-Stretch - last shot had no displacement, the canopy was modelled.. I do plan on throwing more of my objects into zbrush though.. glad you like it

katalyzt - thanks!

pum - hey herb thanks, you have quite the object count on your Borgoth as well.

Neeno - ol' neeno, thanks for commenting

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/beastrider.jpg

[Heber]

awesome!
im thouroughly impressed! that guy up there on the mount made this even more impressive.
His piercings reminds me of herb. :wise:

[AndrewHwang]

Wow scott, the lighting for that model is gonna be sweet, little rays of light comming through the canopy and whatnot, i can just picture him in a desert scene. very nice modeling as always. One cc, very minor though is that the top of the riders ear seems to be pinching at the top a little. Keep up the great work.

[mustan9]

You really are coming alone very well with this. I'm very impressed.

I assume XSI is the software you are using. How do you find the polygon modelling ability compaired with 3D Studio Max 7. If you had to pick between the two which one?

I have always used Max, but most of the models on this forum that impress me are the people using XSI.

Could be just that more artistic people use XSI, and not that it's a better tool for the job.

:)

[LouisBrowne]

A run animation would look sweet with that fat lizard's wiggle shacking all the attacted items and with the tribal man holding on for dear life. Very nice piece, Scott.

[SUS]

The rider looks great! I love his belly!

I think you should work a little on his palm . Right now it seems the rider does not have a strong grip.

Excellent modeling work! Keep it up!

[tinitus]

wow impressive!

[bradjames]

HI,

I don't post that often but I just had to with this model. I've been watching this from the start and I'm blown away. This has to be my favorite character of all time on cgtalk. I think I would pay good money to see this guy move, please animate them.

[Neeno]

i would hate to be a game artist and be asked to do this low poly because its just so beautiful with all these extras.. i cannot wait till the day i keep practising to reach your standard.. learning Z brush soon at college so hopefully that helps.. see ya soon on next update scotcho.. see ya mate :thumbsup:

[mustan9]

Hi Scotcho,

Could you please take the time to post a message about how you modelled the fabric used to cover the character.

It looks so good I wonder if you used a clothing dynamics tool or something. Is there a trick you could explain to get the fabric to look pulled tight, and flexing.

I'm impressed about how you are able to switch from organic modelling, to solids modelling, and then to cloth modelling.

Very few can do that switch! I'm impressed.

[pum]

awesome!
im thouroughly impressed! that guy up there on the mount made this even more impressive.
His piercings reminds me of herb. :wise:

dont forget the belly too!haha
anyways, good job Adam! cant wait to see it textured.
oh, u are gonna have sun fun in unwrapping!hehehe

[Chems]

Looks amazing as always, only bit of C+C is the knee joint, it just looks slightly off, the calf where its squeezed kinda goes in a bit at the top, when in real life when your knee is bent like that it all rises together (depending on body fat, of which I have none and mine does it) get a pair of shorts on and have a go at sitting like that in the labs!

Great work mate. Cant wait to see it textured.

[Scotcho]

Heber – thanks buddy, figured some herb ears would be a nice touch

AndrewHwang – yeah, the volumetric lighting would look pretty cool. I was leaning toward a swampy theme rather than a desert.. hopefully the textures will lock that down. I’ll fix that ear pinch stat. Thanks.

Louis J. Browne – I would like to rig this beast up.. maybe give it a small animation as well.. not sure about a run animation though but we’ll see what I have time for.

SUS – Thank you, I agree with you on his palm. I’ll give it another once over but I do plan to rig his hands to hold the reigns, might do most of the tweaking then.

Tinitus – Thanks!

Bradjames – Wow thanks for the comments. As for the animation.. I’ll see what I have time for. I would love to see him animated as well.

Neeno – Thank you Neeno. I think it’d be fun to do a low poly character like this but it would need an amazing texture artist to pull it off, using lots of transparency in their maps. Zbrush is a pretty cool tool, shouldn’t take you more than a day to learn. Look forward to seeing some of Neeno-zbrushing in the future.

Mustang9 – Hey mustan9, thanks for commenting.. you’re very motivating. I am using XSI 4.2 to model. Couldn’t really compare it to Studio because I have never used it.. but I’ve been told XSI is one of the top for modeling with its tools. There are some addons for Maya (polytools) that mimic some of XSI’s so I’m sure there’s something for max you could get. XSI seems to have all I need for modeling. For the cloth.. I started out with a grid. I didn’t use any cloth dynamics, but thanks for the compliment. I tried to get the line flow start at the pinned section and fan out from there. If there was another pinned section I would have a majority of the wrinkles lead up to there from the other. The line flow would almost look like a zig-zag from hole to hole. I’d also have the line flow halo out from the holes. If its pulled tight, the fabric would be straight from hole to hole, and if its not it would be sagging with to gravity. The sag should be a smooth arc.. not irregular. I've attached a shot of its wireframe. Hope all this helps. Glad you like my work.

Pum – lol oh yeah unwrapping will be blast.. cant wait! Maybe I’ll emphasize his gut and sag his titties a bit more.. make him a little more jolly.

Chems - Thanks for the crit Chems.. I totally agree. I'll fix the knee up.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/canopywires.jpg

[Nomad]

Wow this is fabulous, I love this kind of fantasy ambiances. And the details of the equipment are awesome. Sorry i did not read all the posts, are you planning an animation or a killer still image? :bounce:

Great work :thumbsup:

[ramana]

greate job:thumbsup: .

[J.Wilson]

dam your fast kid!:applause:
well what can i say man, this character or i guess these "two" characters are looking really nice man, you do amazing work, i donno how you do it?
keep it up man ill be expecting to see this all textured by monday!
thats a joke!
however im sure you will be done, dam you!!!

alright buddy
cheers

keep it comin!

[Chems]

I forgot to ask, all those bits of rope etc, what method do you use to do that, is there a clever tool in XSi for this?

[RO]

Awesome I love the guy on the beast.

[Scotcho]

Thanks for the comments! Chems, for those little rope bits: I draw a curve, shape it to how I want the rope, create a circle with the width I want to use for the rope, extrude the circle along the curve, further tweak the curve to have the geometry fit the object and tweak the width of it by scaling the circle. Quick process, I'm sure there's similar methods in other programs.

[sarNz]

great work scotcho, its been awesome seeing this come along. that guy looks great up there. on your original concept though i thought that your fishermanwas going to be on him. i think you should try that out too ;)

[KolbyJukes]

that little rider guy really made the model for me, his pose and all the little knick knacks really take this model up a notch. great work.

[AndyH]

Thems some frickin insanely good modeling there - amazing details!

I hope you never texture it! I find that detailed models always look best in good old plain grey.

Very nice work

[Exthalion]

As a fellow XSI user that's a cool lookin model mate!!

I like the way the rider is hunched on the back of the beast gives him a real tribal feel...like he rides a lot on this creature...cool:)

[Jinian]

This is astonishing work. I really dig the canopy over the rider. I agree, those extra details really take this model to the next level. Can't wait to see this textured and rendered, and also rigged and animated if you are doing it. Are you going for stylized or realistic? Where did you get the design from?

[el-vio]

Awesome Model, Amazing Details, My mouth is open, i can't close it ^^

Excellent Begining, or well, Ending ?... whatever, i love it.

[dmonk]

I love this model it reminds me of a komodo Dragon on steriods.

I think this would have definitely been a contender in the beast of burden challenge a while back.

The accessories really add a lot to an already excellent creature.

Can't wait to see the texured!

5 Stars!

[Sherif.Nagib]

I like what u did with the beast's back end, so creative.. also gr8 job with the saddle, and the tension in the fabric is so right that I totally feel that it's pulled .
I don't have any comments for now, I remember a good piece of work by the amazing thierry canon (his cgtalk name is dareoner) .. I like what he did with the voulme lights and the trees.. it's a good ref I guess : http://www.dareoner.com/ci.htm

and finally I have no comments on the work for now, gotta wait and see what u're gonna do with it and till then I'll keep cheerleading :bounce:

[isolated vertex]

Awesome work. Absolutely love it. Tremendous modeling. I would love to see this guy run. Hell I'd love to ride him!



The only crit I have, it is a small one since this piece rocks so hard, is that the reigns don't seem quite right. That may just be me, though. The reigns should definietly be able to pull the beast by the mouth. It think the extra attachment looks cool but is too long. I would end it closer to the edge of the mouth and if anything have it curve back towards the rider to give him more control.
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5872/beastrider7vz.jpg

[k888tie]

wow! your work is amazing! one thing...like the person above said...the bit in his mouth would most likely to be turned the other way round...facing the rider...its the same with horses...so the bit turns up into the horses mouth for more control if that makes sense(can u tell i have horses! hehehe)!...maybe turn it round and see how it looks. but even so it looks amazing! :) also perhaps make the reins slightly thicker.

[pandaA]

very nice work, The level of detail is awesome!
but I don't like the back of the beast, It's strange that It got no tail....:shrug:

[Scotcho]

sarNz – thanks, nice to know you’re following along with me. After doing some more designs on the beast I figured the fisherman wouldn’t fit what I was going for.. plus I get to do another character.

KWAK – thank you Kwak, your latest mobster model was very impressive

Andy H – I love the grey renders as well, but I’m going for modeling and texturing reel... nice to know you like it!

Exthalion – thanks!

Jinian – The beast has a basic rig right now, but I do planning on rigging them both properly for a very small animation to give them life. I was leaning for a bit stylized, kind of like Blizzards cinematic work I suppose. For the design, I made it myself based off some fat herbivores, toads and the rhino beast from Starwars Episode II.

El-vio – thank you, I’m almost halfway done I think, still have to texture the rest.

Dmonk – thanks for the nice comments!

Sherif.Nagib – Cheerleading is always a good thing, I’ll make sure to check that reference out for my lighting, thanks

Isolated vertex – thanks for the crit, I agree about the reigns. I’ll be rigging them into pose when the rider is posed out as well, so that should fix that.

K888tie – thank you, I’ve adjusted the mouth bits to make more sense

pandaA - thanks

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/reignchange.jpg

[Scotcho]

Alrighty, I finally finished unwrapping all my little trinkets and started the textures. I've had a lot of fun with it so far.. heres what I got. Still not final.. I've got to break up the bump a bit and a few other things.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/beastcloth.jpg

[Neeno]

love the african style drawings on this... very cool scotcho.. very original man. !

[AndrewHwang]

Hey Scott, im trying to texture flowy like cloth, kinda simialr to the canopy, i was wondering if you would try using sub surface or just working with translucency maps, im debating right now as to which one i should use., love the textures btw

[Scotcho]

I'm sure transluency will give you the effect you need.. thats all I plan on using. I bet something like SSS or diffusion could give you a better result but for how much more it'd improve with the rendertime I'm not willing to sacrifice it.

[Heber]

Subscribed to this thread far back..i love seeing your updates, the drawings you put on the canopy are awesome as well...a nice touch!
on another note..........
correct me if i am wrong but sss is a way of interpreting light penetrating thru a surface then scattering around inside of it to produce the effect, cloth does NOT do this even in direct sunlight. Translucency is enough and much much less intense on render time...

so yeah where do you want to work dude? haha ..i miss vfs...those crazy latenight trips to 7-11 .....sigh...as tired as you are...enjoy it! youll miss it later.. :D

[isolated vertex]

Man this work is awesome. No crits on the canopy. Looks awesome. Definitely will follow this work.

[Jay007]

Just wanted to post and say wow, I look at your stuff and cant wait to achieve your level(if i can), how long you been doing this 3d stuff for?

I love your attention the details, this model and the fisherman come so alive becuase of all the little things you add, which is something i'll try to make sure to put in my work.

[MVDB]

And the details, just keep coming and coming! Man, this is getting awesome!
Lovely textures so far, I'll be coming back from time to time, just to check how amazing this piece is developing.. Great stuff!

[bradjames]

Hi,


The textures are looking sweet so far and I like the fact that you added a little fisherman with the pose like your last model. Wonderful stuff as always.

[mustan9]

Looks great, and the character art work on the fabric is really cool.

I really like the stiching of the ripped section.

Only crit is that the bump mapping scale appears to large.

Here are some ideas, but just ideas take it or leave it cause it still looks good. Add some weathering around the edges of the fabric, and some noise as well, because the color is to uniform.

EDIT: On second thought I think the color is fine.

[Weider]

The level of detail is awesome, the concept and the model is great too. :thumbsup:

[pum]

looking good so far! I like the drawings on the leather.
Have u got sick of looking at checkers yet?haha.
keep up the good work dude.
laters

[Scotcho]

Hebe – thanks hebe. After school I think I’m pretty flexible on location for work. Vancouver is nice though, its close to my home on the island. I am lovin vfs though.. I do wish I could visit the beach a wee bit more with all this sunny weather but there is plenty of time for that after school.

Isolated vertex – thanks! nice to you know you’ll watch my progress

Jay007 – wow thank you. I’ve been in for about 10 months now, before that I’ve just been doing sketches.

MichaelMotion – thank you

Bradjames – thanks, yeah those little paintings were fun.. it was a nice change to doodle again.

Mustan9 – I’ll go back and tweak the bump map and I’ve added a subtle worn edge along the cloth, thanks for the feedback.


Weider – thanks!

Pum – oh those wretched checkers.. I will never play a game of checkers again. ;)

[Jesse-Irvin]

Whats taking you so long Scotcho? shouldn't you be done by now? J/K it's looking good. I like how the cloth looks, sim it for your rotations :D

But stop stealing my name... we all know who the real one is... I have the name tag to prove it....

[Scotcho]

An update of the next map. I plan on doing a some normal mapping on the skulls and whatever else needs it.. don't think bump can pull off what I want.

hey jesse, nice to see you've actually done some work and got Frozen back up. Good idea with the cloth movement for rotations, that'd be a nice touch. It'd look really cool with the volumentrics shining through the holes as well.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/beasthard.jpg

[Sherif.Nagib]

going pretty good adam , gr8 job on the canopy and the saddle, where's the wheelchair man tho ?:)

one comment about the canopy : I'm not sure if they would be able to get such a big piece of leather in the old days , so maybe u wanna show that it's made of 2 pieces by having a long stitch going across it's width or some patches.. not sure actually, maybe they could get such long pieces from snakes or some other animal.

what about the skull and bone colors ?.. are they treated or been buried for a while ?.. I guess they would be whiter or at least have some white parts in them.

keep going :buttrock:

[chikos]

The saddle is great, I like the way the cloth is bent from the pressure that comes from the ropes. Keep it up!

[Weider]

wow I really like to see the progress! Keep it up

[mustan9]

The tree park looks great!

I think the skull needs some more details. For example; Skulls usually have little cracks that allowed the head shape to change during birth, but heal quickly afterwards. The nose cavity looks to smooth. Sorry to point this out after you did the texturing.

Given the fact that you have so much detail in the model, then I don't think people will notice.

No other crits here! Good job buddy!

I have nothing else to say except "Oh man your fast".

[Neeno]

textures are looking awesome scotcho.. dude what renderer are you using and are you going to change your light rig for final, or is this the final light rig for the textures dude?
Good work dude!

[Scotcho]

Sherif.Nagib - I've added a bit of stitching to break up the canopy.. and will go back and tweak the skulls colour. Thanks.

chikos - thank you

Weider - thanks!

mustan9 - I do plan on taking the skulls into zbrush for a normal map so I'll be puttin in some cracks in the bone there. Maybe I'll throw some more geometry in the nose cavity later on, it is very smooth there. Glad you like it.

Neeno - hey Neeno, thanks buddy. I'm using XSI's mental ray. The settings are pretty low for these quick renders but the final will have higher quality. The lighting will change too, I plan on using some volumetrics for the canopy's holes.. but other than that it shouldn't change too much, unless you've got some lighting suggestions.

[Neeno]

when you get to the final i'll see how i can help if the lighting to me needs work .. but looking at your past work you've got the lighting really good for presentation.. been studying lighting and mental ray alot in my personal time so when you get to that stage i'll see if i notice anything that needs to be fixed man but, your quiet talented dude, by saying that i might be able to help you is underrating your talent.. .. but i will help anyway i can ....keep it up scotch.. i be back for updates..

P.s give us some tips on my model.. :thumbsup: i need a good crit of a good modeler and good mate :D

[Scotcho]

Heres a leather update, no spec yet. I'll be moving onto the rider next.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/leatherupdate.jpg

[magnumstar]

Wow, wait whats that on the animal skull, I see a strand of DNA.. Great Details partner, I really like the effort you put into this. How long did it take you up to now to get to where you are in this project? =

[pum]

looking really good , dude. But i think u can vary the color more. Now everything has the same color. Every single detail seems to blend tgether. Try maybe put different color on certain things to bring out the contrast.


HB

[alientje]

Really cool stuff here!

I really like the way the skin (or whatever) hangs between the two branches on top of him.

It's hard to see any real flaws. Maybe the cloth needs more color in the drawings, other than that it looks awesome:buttrock:

[Neeno]

hey scotcho nice update man! dude roughly what size are your textures you using for this model?

[Scotcho]

magnumstar - thank you. So far its been about 3 1/2 weeks for modeling and texturing the accessories and rider.. and about 3 weeks for what I have for the beast. I've had a little side project while I was working on this.

pum - yeah I agree, I've just changed the colours of the leather to vary it up a bit. I knew it might be a problem with so much leather in one area. I'll have to adjust the beast to make sure he doesn't blend in with the rest of it as well. Thanks.

alientje - thanks! I'm rendering out a rotation test right now to see how the drawings look. I don't want them to stand out too much but to have them as a subtle touch. I'll check it out though.

Neeno - heya Neeno, thank you. Textures sizes are 2k for the leather/rope, 2k for the canopy/cloth, 2k for the wood/skulls, prob 3k for the rider/feather, beast is 4k. I may be scaling them down for my renders to save rendertime, but seems to be pretty fast except for the beast displacement. Nice work on the grasshopper by the way.

[ipdesigner]

*you are damned really good!!:eek:
*6-stars from me!:thumbsup:

[Chems]

Great stuff mate, loving it!

[SUS]

Great work on the textures Scotcho!

It looks very promissing so far!

Keep it up! :thumbsup:

[Scotcho]

Thanks for the comments guys. Heres a rider update, with the beast (without his zbrush displacement).

http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/riderwithbeast.jpg

[Vahle]

It is really magnificent Scotcho, i like all the small accessories and rhe characters :thumbsup:

[Chems]

Thats stunning mate, nearly perfect, only one thing that bugs me, the reed that goes up in back of the canopy, I think its a reed like out of a pond or such, it just looks like it couldnt possibly stay there in that postion when moving, and the neck bends quite sharply so the top is pointing in a slightly diffrent direction, a more gentle curve, and a more forced in between the ropes look would for me, make this perfect! Amazing work mate.

[Neeno]

nice....!!!:thumbsup: dude, check your pm!:D

[GeoffClark]

Awesome. You rule.

[gigan]

it looks good... i think (as been pointed out) most of the textures still look kind of 'samey' but i would imagine once you do the final lighting it will be ok. i really like the cloth & twig/branch. what are you working on next?

[Scotcho]

Thanks the the feedback, I appreciate it.

Yeah Chems I've fixed those floating cat tail weeds; I've got them tied to the branches now.. also made sure they weren't jaggedly bent.

Thanks Gigan, I will be adjusting the light to finish him up. If it doesn't give enough contrast to what I have I'll go back to the maps and tweak them there. I have added a nice bounce light, and some translucency to the feathers.. but I want to get some subtle volumetrics in there as well. Next model will be a hard body. I've been looking for some designs and I came across a cool robotic one.. it'd be nice to try out something metallic. By the way.. I saw your reel and its very impressive, great job.

[LouisBrowne]

Coming along well, myman.

I'd say once you get the lighting and the shaders sorted you can sit back and say "sweet!"

:)

[mustan9]

Hi Scotcho!

Looks amazing!

So what are you going to work on next?

I visited your website, and watched the 360's quicktime of this model. I noticed a popping in the shadow that the fabric casts on the floor.

[JSlotosch]

Yeah,
great work!
I hope you´ll animating it, too! ;)
And all your feathers on this model are alpha planes?
Do you know a good link where I can find pictures of feathers!
I have researched but I don´t have found a good page!
Greeting,
FHawk

[Scotcho]

Louis J. Browne - thanks

mustan9 - thank you, I'll be working on a hard body model next. I've found a cool design for a robot but I've got to make sure the artist will let me use it first. Yeah that canopy shadow problem is a kind of a weird one, has something to do with my shadow map and XSI.. not exactly sure what it is. I'm sure seperate render passes will fix that though.

Flying-Hawk - thanks, I am rigging this guy so he'll have a bit of animation on him for sure. Here are the feather reference pictures I used for my guy.. found them through google.


http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/feather1.jpeg
http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/feather3.jpg
http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/feather2.jpg

[HapZungLam]

amazing modeling and design.

You can still to have some tweek on the texture. Like, try to put more colour variation on the creature, more yellowish/white sort of at the belly etc

[JSlotosch]

Thank you for the feather references!
Keep up this good work! ;)

[fabionguzman]

your work is great, love everything about it, can't wait until it's done and we get to see that new model your working on

[mustan9]

[QUOTE=Scotcho]I'll be working on a hard body model next. I've found a cool design for a robot but I've got to make sure the artist will let me use it first.[QUOTE]

So you can do characters, animals, and now your going to do some solids modelling. That's amazing! Let me know when you start a thread for that model, because I will want to be watching go to work on it!

I would like to know if you plan on rendering this peice with GI or Final Gathering, because the lighting is kind of simple and it is crying out for some nice complex lighting. :)

[karthikarctic]

your creativity is supreme. i love it. the face is very different from any other creature.

[silentsamurai]

wow, very nice

[Scotcho]

Thanks for the friendly comments. I have gone back to change some of the textures but don't have any shots of it right now, but thanks for the crit on that HapZungLam I totally agree. I'll also make sure to mention when I start the robot thread.

Heres the rig I've been working on. There's a few keys on the position of one control object, rest is automated. Working on a walk cycle right now.

http://www.3dadam.com/media/full/beastrigged.mov

[beelow]

Model is bangin and texture bangin' !:thumbsup:

[samartin]

Only just stumbled upon this thread and WOW, awesome work there and I like the look of that rig you have done, looks errrr pretty much perfect with all the elements interacting the way they should...

...subscribing to see further progress...

[Eonwe]

yeah the rig looks really good....can't wait to see the walk cycle! :bounce:

[Chems]

Ah wow thats stunning stuff, really is great, such fluid movements of everything it all seems spot on. Great stuff mate. Makes me want to go to VFS even more to learn this type of stuff.

[bujji]

wow. the rig is so cool, waiting for the animation

[Scotcho]

Thanks for the comments, glad you all like the rig. I've finished the animation for the model rotation and a walk cycle. I'll be updating my site tonight with the animation and some rotations. I'll be updating the beast at the finished works pretty quick. Thanks for all the feedback along the way, you guys really help tweak my model.

Heres a preview frame from the textured rotation:
http://student.vfs.com/~3d53adams/wipfinal.jpg

[Augh]

Hey man,

Jeez, I didn't realise this was even going. Guess I have something to watch ;) The still looks really keen, can't wait for the turntable.
Love the rider's stance particularly, looks pretty convincing to me for a lotta tribal type situations and also where ppl ride on elephants and stuffs.

Awesome stuff as always :thumbsup:

Edit: Just been looking at the glyphs on the canvas, bwahahaha. I love the one of the fisher, they're all pretty awesome though. Nice "tightness" on the stretched canvas parts o_O

[collings]

man your work is gorgeous :thumbsup:
Awesome thread, each post is a pleasure !
congrats

-nico-

[isolated vertex]

Just checking back to see if you have anything else to show us from this wonderful project.

Thanks.

[Scotcho]

I appreciate it, isolated vertex, but this one is done. I have tweaked some subtle colours since then but nothing that noticable. Feel free to check out my WIP reel on my site.. it includes this model's rotations, walk cycle and rig test. I'm moved on to work a hard body robot right now. Thanks for the comments.

www.3dadam.com (http://www.3dadam.com)

[se7enthcin]

wow, I'm impressed my friend. Vey good job. I'm anxious to see more. :bounce:

[isolated vertex]

Then I'll say congratulations. It turend out awesome! It should be in the finisihed works so it can get front page recognition. Loved this work, can't wait to see your next!

[mustan9]

Nice demo reel!

Ok. Please tell us what's happening in your life now! :)

Are you finished school?
Have you sent out your reel to anyone, and have you gotten any responces?
What are your hopes of landing your targetted job and position?

God I would kill to have a reel like that! (know anyone I could kill? just joking..)

Good job!

[Scotcho]

wow thanks guys. Well I'm not done school yet, that reel is still a work in progress.. I'll be showing my some texture maps and have the robot on there as well. I'll be graduating end of October and will be working for work then.. but right now I haven't sent what I have to other companies; I'll wait until its finished before I do that. I hope to work in the game industry.. film would be cool too. Isolated vertex, it is in the finished works.. you can check the link in my signature for that.

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