COMING SOON: REBECCA KIMMEL's Anatomy Review

[DoInferno]

Sounds great! her work is very good!

[AnimZiggy]

nice work. I'm looking forward to that! I hope it happens before my holidays. :thumbsup:

[RobertoOrtiz]

Here are some more educational pieces she has made before..

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/12a.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/12.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b216/robertoortiz1/cgtalk/11.jpg


-R

[paperclip]

Lovely stuff! Sure hope to learn a lot from her...I love anatomy and am always on the lookout for things like this!

May I be the teacher's pet? :D

[LoTekK]

Rebecca did an informal lesson on Sunday for a small sketch group in DC, and take it from me: she does some damned good work. :)

[TheCleaner]

Is she a member of SOFA (http://www.tsofa.com/forum/index.php) by any chance?.. over at CA.org is a guy who goes by Mentler, its what inspired me to buy a few anatomy books and get drawing

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26748

[RobertoOrtiz]

Rebecca has a BA (mayor in Illustration) from Art Center of Desing in Pasadena, CA.

She graduated with honors, and she studied under Burne Hogarth (yes that guy) for a year before he died.


-R

[Thany]

Wow! Roberto, this is going to be awesome!

[Rebeccak]

DoInferno --


Thanks! I really look forward to this!

anim_ziggy --

Thank you for the compliment. When are your holidays?

paperclip --

Thank you! It's nice to hear that other folks are interested in anatomy too. Can't wait to see your work!!!

LoTekk --

Thank you for the plug :) I hope you will participate. We'll miss you!!! But CGTalk is a great way to stay in touch :)


TheCleaner --

Nope, not a member of SOFA, but I prolly should be -- looks like a cool site, with really cool artists.


Thany --

Thanks for the enthusiasm!!! Can't wait for this to get on track :)

Roberto --

Special thanks for setting this up -- you are a great organizer and comer-upper of ideas!!!

My WIP painting:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251590

[Supervlieg]

Maximum respect to RebeccaK. Those images rock.

Will you have a book coming out with your drawings? They look like great reference material.

[Rebeccak]

Supervlieg!

Thanks for the enthusiasm!!! I appreciate the feedback -- this is really cool. It's amazing that all these cool artists are responding to my stuff -- so I can't wait to begin. Looking forward to seeing your work!!

As for a book, I tend to do a lot of drawing from existing reference, so I doubt that any book will be forthcoming...but it's cool to entertain the idea of putting together a book of my own work, drawings from life, etc. We all learn a lot from one another, after all...

Rebeccak

My WIP painting (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251590)
(http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251590)

[RobertoOrtiz]

As for a book, I tend to do a lot of drawing from existing reference, so I doubt that any book will be forthcoming...but it's cool to entertain the idea of putting together a book of my own work, drawings from life, etc. We all learn a lot from one another, after all...


Humm a book.... that is a great idea.


-R

[robinayles]

Wow - Rebecca, that is some AWESOME WORK!! :bounce:

[Rebeccak]

Robinayles,

Thanks a lot!!! I hope that you'll participate in this -- I'm thinking it will be a lot of fun! I just love to see everyone's work -- this is a great time to be an artist :)

Looking forward to your posts :)

Rebeccak

[Miyagu]

"Burne Hogarth", i have an open book of him lying beneath me in the moment! :-)

i´m looking very forward to the anatomy session! very cool idea, much appreciated and coming with perfect timing! it should be fun!

great work, rebecca! :arteest: and thanks, roberto! :bounce:

[Rebeccak]

dunkelgold!

Thank you, this will be great! Burne was definitely the premiere master, no? I can't wait to see your work! :)

~Rebeccak

My WIP painting:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251590

[HellBoy]

wow, this is a chance for me to try real anotamy
especially muscula men's figure <-- "Don't take it wrong, just for drawing, nothing else" :)

[Rebeccak]

MWarsame,

I'm thrilled that you're interested in anatomy, it's always a treat to share what you "know" with peers :) so I am looking forward to seeing your work. I think in truth it is sometimes better to draw men than women, since they frequently (not always, of course!) have more defined muscles and are a bit easier to draw since their features are not so "soft".

Looking forward to your sharing your work :)

~Rebeccak

My WIP painting:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251590

[Supervlieg]

I think in truth it is sometimes better to draw men than women, since they frequently (not always, of course!) have more defined muscles and are a bit easier to draw since their features are not so "soft".

Who can resist drawing the smooth curves of a woman. :D

Anyway, when this workshop thing starts in whatever form, Ill be sure do drop in!

[paperclip]

Any ideas as to when it'll start?
Oh and one more question- is there anything we should get before we start, like some sort of textbook type of thing or will it all be included in your workshop?

(can't wait, can you tell!?)

[RobertoOrtiz]

Rebecca and I are ironing out the details.
I have some ideas, but first we both need to talk about them first.
My idea is for her post post a drawing of a body part, with a description on how she sis it, and then ask people to post their drawing of that same body part (they would have to look for a model). What happens next is still in discussion.

Keep an eye on this thread.

-R

[paperclip]

In the spirit of anatomy, this is the eye I'm going to keep on this thread:

http://www.discoveryfund.com/images/Eye_Anatomy-Anat.jpg

[Rebeccak]

Supervlieg! What was I thinking! Okay, true, organic, flowing form, definitely best expressed thru drawing the female form. Myself, I like muscles -- gives you more angles to work with, and you can do cool stuff with shadow shapes. But I concede the point! ;)

Look forward to seeing your work!

~Rebecca

My WIP painting:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251590

[Rebeccak]

paperclip!!

Wow, it's great to see your initiative!! It's awesome to see that there is so much enthusiasm about this :) so thanks!!!

I'll definitely provide the details about this thing as they get worked out...in the meantime, please stay tuned!!! :)

~Rebeccak

My WIP painting:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251590

[Cyanid]

I'm not gonna miss this one, as I planned to make much progress this year.
Great opportunity!

[Rebeccak]

Cyanid!

Awesome! I look forward to your posts!!!

This is going to be great....

~Rebeccak

My WIP painting:
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251590 (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251590)

[erilaz]

Oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy!:bounce:

More drawing lessons are exactly what I need!:D

[HellBoy]

Who can resist drawing the smooth curves of a woman.

who would? yum yum

thanks Rebeccak, its just that I never been able to draw real figures and men is little easier than women. This means that I have to use pencil and paper than a mouse

looking farward for this

[FiYoG]

Awesome idea, I know my anatomy (if you can call it that) needs a ton of work, so this will be an excellent opportunity to learn. A big thanks in advance rebeccak and Roberto. :)

[Rebeccak]

MWarsame,

You may use whatever medium you are most comfortable with -- however, I do recommend using pen / pencil and paper at first, especially for those who may be new to drawing the figure. The key word is: practice :)

FiYoG,

Looking forward to seeing your work -- it takes a long time to learn how to draw, but it's a cool process. :)

~Rebeccak

[erilaz]

The key word is: practice :)



I always like to add "And know what the heck you're doing" to that, which I'm sure you will provide for us in ample dollops! Practise is fine, but you have to practise the right things! :D

[Agent Vesago]

Oh wow!. I just get a new laptop and this pops up.

It's a sign.:thumbsup:

[ysvry]

those drawing remind me of the italian renaissance painters looking forward to some lessons in here. i prefer female anatomy, nothing wrong with soft angles.

[crazy3dman]

OK, figured I better post my enthusiasm too. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: This looks really cool. I can't wait.

[DoInferno]

Hands and feets are always a problem, no matter how much i practice. Especially when drawing them in the figure instead of drawing a hand alone.

Now i´d love to work on the female anatomy too, since it´s very dificult to draw.

[erilaz]

Hands and feets are always a problem, no matter how much i practice. Especially when drawing them in the figure instead of drawing a hand alone.



Very very true. I can sketch a page of hands, but then have trouble drawing them with a body!

[Rebeccak]

erilaz -- true. You definitely have to practice in a directed fashion. A lot of drawing is simply tons of positive reinforcement of a few basic rules -- along with that, your own special recipe for how to break down form.

agent vesage -- glad to see you here! Please stay tuned til we get this fully up and running :)

ysvry -- wow, thank you very much for the compliment! I do love the Renaissance...now, we're just in a different kind of Renaissance on fast forward...I love the quote, "All Past is Prologue".

crazy3dman -- Woo! Enthusiasm rocks!!! Hmm, I'm on number 3, too...

DoInferno -- We will DEFINITELY address hands and feet, and never fear, we will also be looking at the female form :)

erilaz -- see above :)

Thanks, guys,
~Rebeccak

[paperclip]

Questions!

How long is this workshop going to run for?
How much of the body are you going to cover?
I love the idea of you posting the workshop 'tutorial', then giving us feedback on our attempts. So many times I've practised drawing anatomy, but have nobody to tell me what to improve.
How, in your opinion, has learning anatomy been recieved in art schools for the past ten/twenty years or so? It doesn't seem to be a part of the curriculum anymore, really.

[VectorWrecktar]

Questions!

How long is this workshop going to run for?


i hope forever.....:thumbsup:

wow great im getting a fre clas from one master to another, i cant wait, al i can say is thank you rebbeca for saving my money. i was about to go out and buy a anatomy book but this is better i can share my work and get citique as well.

by the by i dont have a scanner and my tablet is on non-internet based pc....(i need to get a sketchbook pro and usb memory):thumbsup:

[Rebeccak]

paperclip!

1. How long is this workshop going to run for?

For as long as folks are interested!

2. How much of the body are you going to cover?

As much as possible -- planning to address one aspect at a time -- eg -- head, torso, pelvis, arms, legs, etc.

3. I love the idea of you posting the workshop 'tutorial', then giving us feedback on our attempts.

Cool! That is basically the plan.

4. How, in your opinion, has learning anatomy been recieved in art schools for the past ten/twenty years or so? It doesn't seem to be a part of the curriculum anymore, really.

I had to schlepp from the East to the West Coast to find a good program that still taught the basics of drawing and painting -- 'course, that could have had something to do with getting away from home ;) -- but I think it's a waste of time to spend one's art school career debating about how the Industrial Revolution impacted art. I could rant on about Modernism / Post-Modernism and how it effectively wiped out much of the collective consciousness about traditional forms of art, but I'll save that for a different forum.

Basically, it depends on what school you go to. Illustration programs still teach the fundamentals -- drawing, painting -- and a good program will emphasize the importance of 2D to 3D.

I can't speak for all schools, since I've only attended two. I think it's great that there are opportunities now to enable folks to learn about figurative drawing / artistic anatomy in an open forum like this one.

VectorWrecktar --

Great to see you here, can't wait to see your posts. I still recommend buying an anatomy book, I will post a list of recommended books soon.

Thanks guys~
Rebeccak

[solarundies]

Wow, oddly enough, i've recently purchased several anatomy books and have another book on anatomy given to me by my school's library. This is truly incredible timing! I can't wait!

[StarlightGloom]

Rebecca - your work ceases to amaze me! From the workshop you had this past Saturday, I am most impressed with the way you taught as well as the examples you gave. The workshop was so easy to follow that even my beginner skills has increased tenfold! :thumbsup:

[RobertoOrtiz]

Ok guys I am still writting the rules for this.


What are you looking for in Rebeccas anatomy posts?


R

[Rebeccak]

solarundies!

Cool! Which anatomy books did you purchase? It would definitely help to know :)

StarlightGloom!

Thanks so much for the support! I'm happy you enjoyed the workshop, in truth, I think you may be kicking our bootays in a very short space of time! I think it's cool that you're drawing! You're absolutely welcome to participate in the workshop! :) Actually, that would be GREAT!

RobertoOrtiz aka "Ortiz"!

Can I borrow your brain? Just for, say, a year? I'm amazed at how prolific you are with ideas, and with how freely you share them with people. You're definitely a great asset to the CGTalk Community!

~Rebeccak

[paperclip]

I'd like to learn about the intrinsic anatomy in each limb and how the flexion and extension produces different shapes- where does it go, how do you predict how far it will go. Does it change for different ages.
I'd also love a lecture on how to increase the dynamism of the figure you're drawing- to give the figure tension and motion.

I'd also LOVE another class on rendering methods.

I'm hoping for something along the lines of...this is what it should look like and this is what you should be thinking of while you're doing it. Pay attention to the muscles here. You don't need to worry as much about these muscles, as they are not surface muscles. Skin stretches most over bone here. This is how you show that.

Hey, any way she wants to do it is just fine by me!:thumbsup:

[Sagii]

I have seen this girl free sketch without a reference and she still hits every curve and bone..... she is crazy good :) you can imagine what she can do with a reference.


I am so happy to see you here Rebeccak, I'll love to take this workshop too! thanks, and thank you Roberto.

[hjalmar]

drawings one of my weak points i wanna strengthen:-/ thanks for doing this, your drawings are amazing

*eyeballs thread*

[AnimZiggy]

Rebeccak: I'm going home for two weeks 22/07 till 07/08 The first week I will be in Athens and the second on a lovely greek island lying on the beach all day. I'm sure I will have internet access while in Athens, if lessons start then I'll try to catch up and take a sketch book with me on the beach and practice on my boyfriend he he!

[solarundies]

I purchased,

"How to Draw the Human Figure An Anatomical Approach" by Louise Gordon

"The Figure" by Walt Reed

and "Anatomy for the Artist" by Sarah Simblet

and the book my school withdrew was "Grey's Anatomy"

"Grey's Anatomy" is more of a medical reference book, and it's really old, but it does have a lot of illustrations!

I'm so stoked for this!

[Gord-MacDonald]

:thumbsup: :bounce: :thumbsup:


Gord

[Gord-MacDonald]

"Burne Hogarth", i have an open book of him lying beneath me in the moment! :-)

I have 4 of his books - I like his material very much. I think his books work well in conjunction with others. But they are great refs.

A favorite which I bumped into quite accidentally is called "Strength Training Anatomy" by Frederic Delavier. It is designed for weight training, but it is great.

He has also written: "Womans Strength Training Anatomy"

Images (with sample pages):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0736041850/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-9963229-2031300#reader-page


http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0736048138/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-9963229-2031300#reader-page

Gord

[RobertoOrtiz]

REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review 001: TORSO
Hi guys Roberto & Rebecca here - we are playing around with some of the rules...


[LESSON HERE, ALONG WITH PICTURES]


Once I have posted my lesson it will be your turn:



Post a drawing based on the topic or body part covered in this lesson. You may use a model (preferred) or photo reference.


GENERAL RULES:

A couple of times a month, a new thread will be posted on the WIP/Critique: 2D, Illustrations and Concept Art (http://www.cgtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=31) called:REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review [ID]: "Thread Title"

For example:

REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review 001: TORSO


This will be the CORE thread, created by Rebecca Kimmel, where the lessons will be posted along with the FINAL pieces done by the participants.



This will be the only thread where artwork will be posted. Comments WILL be allowed on the thread.
In short, when an artist wants to show his or her drawing based on the lesson, he or she just has to post a reply to the thread.

Each entry will have:

An original piece done after the topic has been picked.
The artwork done by the participant based on the latest class.
and some more rules:

All artwork must have the following words written on them: (c) 2005 YOUR NAME
At the end of the week, Rebecca will pick up to 4 pieces of her choosing and will review them. My advice: KEEP IT SIMPLE


Good luck

-Roberto and Rebecca

DISCLAIMER: The creator of this thread, Roberto Ortiz, Rebecca Kimmel, CGNetworks and CGTALK are not responsible for what happens during these classes. Participants are meeting under their own accord and their actions are their own. The aforementioned parties of Roberto Ortiz, Rebecca Kimmel, CGNetworks and CGTALK are in no way responsible for their actions and are thus not liable in any way.

[Ronski]

Sounds good Roberto :thumbsup:

[AnimZiggy]

sounds good Roberto + Rebecca! So when do we start?

[paperclip]

I'm afraid I must concur with everyone else: sounds good!!

PLUG this on the front page, Roberto, you know you want to!!

[Rebeccak]

Everyone,

Thank you very much for the response! I am very excited about this.

I will be posting the first lesson on Monday. We will go from there. I can't wait to see everyone's work!!

Cheers :)
Rebeccak

[paperclip]

Yay!

How often are you going to be posting lessons? Monday is now a little more bearable for us all....I'm looking forward to this, so I am!

[Rebeccak]

paperclip,

I'll be posting lessons a couple of times a month. Look forward to seeing your work!

~Rebeccak

[LadyMedusa]

Does that means this won't be only in july? :D
or does my totally English suck?

[Rebeccak]

Lady Medusa,

We're going to run this puppy until people get bored :)

[paperclip]

paperclip,

I'll be posting lessons a couple of times a month. Look forward to seeing your work!

~Rebeccak

Hopefully it won't have you tearing out your eyeballs....:argh: I've been practising though, so roll on monday!

[Rebeccak]

Ines D!

Great to see you here, darlin', I was beginning to feel stiffed! Can't wait for you to post!
Thanks for the kind plug :)

hjalmar --

Thank you! That's what this is for -- hopefully this will be like a gym to art buffify us all!!

anim_ziggy --

Please enjoy GREECE!! This will be here when you get back ;)

solarundies!

I just like typing "solarundies" -- I should have been so creative with my username -- "hydropants"? I dunno...

Gord MacDonald --

Thanks for posting those links -- I definitely want to get those books! I am always on the lookout for new reference material, but the pickins at Borders get slim...so thanks! Please continue to post helpful resources!!

Kieronh --

Wow, cool to see you here -- hope you post!!

Scchhhweeet. Thanks, guys! Monday awaits...

~Rebeccak

[AnimZiggy]

Greece is in a months time and since this is starting on Monday I can't wait!

[Art2]

she studied under Burne Hogarth (yes that guy) for a year before he died.

I bought a book by Hogarth like 10 years ago, great bible :)

Great initiative Roberto and Rebecca and so generous! Of course I'll be joining the fun, can't wait!

[fabian84]

This is so awesome. I need as much anatomy help as I can get. Thnk you sooooo much. Oh and and is there anything I should be doing before it actually starts?

[Rebeccak]

Art2, fabian84, and everyone else interested in participating,

Thank you for your posts! Supply-wise, you are welcome to use any medium with which you feel comfortable -- personally, I'm going to be posting charcoal drawings, maybe with some Photoshop additions, but these posts are essentially meant to be more demonstrative in terms of ideas about approaching figurative drawing, and less about using a specific technique.

So you can use what you like for these exercises -- pencil, pen, charcoal, pixels...

That being said, the materials I tend to use when drawing are:

For anatomical studies from books or life:
-ballpoint pen
-any size sketchbook, preferably a standard medium-sized one (not a tiny one)
-pencil rarely

For figurative drawings / life drawings:
-several charcoal pencils (6B Generals) for figurative drawing
-or Carb Othello pencils (more expensive, harder to find, but softer)
-exacto knife to sharpen charcoal pencils
-sandpaper pad to sand sharpened charcoal pencils
-paper towels for pencil shavings
-18" x 24" newsprint pad
-standard masonite drawing board with clips to accommdate 18" x 24" newsprint pad
-support for drawing board (eg, easel -- I just use a black lightweight aluminum tripod-style easel)
-gum eraser (used rarely)

-Anatomy reference books (I will post recommended books shortly)

Cool, stay tuned :)

~Rebeccak

[Rebeccak]

Guys,

Here is a list of Anatomy Reference / Figurative Drawing / Artists' Drawing books which I have in my "library" -- eg, set of Target shelves ;) -- feel free to post the titles of books which you have found helpful and maybe I can convince Roberto to create a sticky for them!

My reference format is shaky at best, but here are the goods:

INSTRUCTIONAL:

"Albinus on Anatomy", by Robert Beverly Hale and Terence Coyle - Dover Publications, publisher

"Artistic Anatomy", by Dr. Paul Richer - Watson Guptill, publisher

"Anatomy Lessons From The Great Masters", by Robert Beverly Hale and Terence Coyle - Watson Guptill, publisher

"Atlas of Human Anatomy for the Artist", by Stephen Rogers Peck - Oxford University Press, publisher

"An Atlas of Anatomy for Artists", by Fritz Schider - Dover Publications, publisher

"Anatomy for the Artist", by Jeno Barcsay - Barnes & Noble Books, publisher

"Human Anatomy for Artists - The Elements of Form", by Eliot Goldfinger - Oxford University Press, publisher

"Master Class in Figure Drawing", by Robert Beverly Hale - Watson Guptill, publisher

"Figure Drawing For All It's Worth", by Andrew Loomis - Viking Press (out of print)

"Dynamic Anatomy", by Burne Hogarth - Watson Guptill, publisher



BOOKS BY / ABOUT DRAUGHTSMEN:

"Michelangelo", by Bernard Lamarche-Vadel - Chartwell Books, Inc., publisher

"Michelangelo And His Drawings", by Michael Hirst - Yale University Press

"Pontormo", by/edited by Salvatore S. Nigro and Marianne Scheider - Schirmer / Mosel, publisher

"The Drawings of Rubens", Master Draughtsman Series of books - Borden Publishing Company, publisher

"The Drawings of Harry Carmean", Master Draughtsman Series of books - Borden Publishing Company, publisher

"Carmean", by June Harwood - Harwood / Carmean, publisher


OF INTEREST:

"Encyclopaedia Anatomica - Museo La Specola Florence" - Taschen, publisher

_____________

Clearly, you don't need all of these! The best thing to do is hunt a few of the top INSTRUCTIONAL books down online or in the bookstores, and see what you like best.
So long as the books that you find contain reference including the skeleton in front, back, and side view, as well as the muscular and surface structures in these three views, you should be fine. Often, artists like to have several books on hand, however, as each reference book can offer something unique, even if the same subject matter is covered.

In terms of books about ARTISTS, everyone should have a book containing Michelangelo's Drawings and Paintings in my opinion! After that, Rubens. After that, Pontormo. These are just my three favorite artists that I drool over. But definitely collect books on artists you love and never loan them! :)

Hope this is useful :)

~Rebeccak

[Happy Trees]

well I thought Id add the two books in my starting collection...

Firstly I got "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Drawing People"
Was a great help to get the basic idea and has a good amount of reference


and for my last birthday my mom got me "How to Draw the Human Figure, An Anatomical Approach" By Louise Gordon

This book has skeletal and muscular references, some interesting poses, and a few pieces done by a few famous artists(da Vinci, Michelangelo and Charles Le Brun.)

One thing I was wondering will we need to show process shots and get critique on those as well. What I mean is the different steps: blocking out the figure, defining musculature, shading.
I think that would help a lot of people because I know I didnt know where to start when I started.

But hey just what I think.

[Rebeccak]

MagicRubber,

No WIP, only final pieces. We are currently writting the final rules to make it more clear.

Thanks!
~Rebeccak

[RobertoOrtiz]

Thanks to all for your comments. WE ARE NOW UP AND RUNNING!!!

Please click here for the main thread:
REBECCA KIMMEL'S Anatomy Review 001: GESTURE (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=253289)

Thanks!

~ Roberto & Rebecca

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