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Solothores
06-16-2005, 10:53 AM
BEWARE THE SPOILERS



Hi Harry

I have just seen Steven Spielberg's "War of the worlds" here in Germay. I'm not good at English and I've never written a movie review before, so I won't torture you with one coming from my hands. I also know that Spielberg has asked journalists to wait with their reviews so I'll respect that and simply put down a few lines about my feelings of this movie. I'll break down in a few sections to make it easier for myself:

1 - The story

Well you'll recognize certain elements from the book and the overall plot is also pretty similar to the book, but other than that there are not that many elements from H.G Wells classic. That doesn't mean I didn't like what they did with the movie version, on the contrary! This movie has a tight storyline. It is a real survival story and also remniscent of some of the old disaster movies from the 70s, with a small group of characters fighting to get out of the way of destruction. Of course it focuses mainly on Ray (Cruise) and his two kids and their journey. I read before that this was going to be a very "intimate" story about surviaval and that it is. People who hope to see huge scale destruction will be disappointed. The action doesn't really get any bigger than what you have already seen in the trailers. It is told through the eyes of a small family, and the only action we see is what they see. No swooping helicopter shots of destruction and pulverised landmarks. However we hear about a lot of terryfieng stuff through radios, military and others, and it lets you imagine all these thing if you know what I mean. The action scenes feel more like a documentary, sometimes with handheld camera. It's extremely cool as the scenes seem far more intense. As a whole this movie seems more like a horror movie than an action movie. There are several moments where you are holding your breath while sitting on the edge of your seat. Especially in a sequence when the family is caught behind the "enemy" lines, while the Aliens probe all hiding spaces for human beings. That was truly frightening.

2 - The acting

WOW. This really blew me away. The interaction between Tom, Dakota and the boy playing his son is incredibly convincing. You really care about these persons after a few minutes into the movie. Normally I am pretty cold when it comes to the acting in American blockusters as it is always second hand to the action, but in this movie I felt a lump in my throat several times because I really cared for the characters.

3 - Special effects

It may sound as though there is no big action sequences in the movie, but that is not true. There is plenty of action but it (almost) always takes place "behind" the actors the camera focuses on. This way it feels a lot more realistic. And talking about realism! This movie - in my mind - shows us the best use of visual effects EVER!!! There is not 1 instance where you can tell it's CGI. It looks incredible. When the war machines first appear it looks so real and convincing. I don't know if they actually used models or what but they look incredible. It is also nice to see that houses blowing up etc. are the real deal and not miniatures.

4 - Overall

This is a fantastic movie. It feels sooo "spielbergian" and I truly believe this will end up being my favourite Spielberg movie so far. I just need to see a few more times to see if it really holds up. There is so much tension in this movie and it utilizes some of the best elements of Jaws, Close Encounters and Saving Ryan! Man I suck a writing about a movie, know I will stop. I could just have written 1 word: FANTASTIC!

Call me

Doc


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superlayer
06-16-2005, 11:40 AM
I cant wait...

superlayer
06-16-2005, 11:40 AM
Hej rasmus he he.

Rasmus Pultz
06-16-2005, 11:43 AM
@superlayer

LOL Rune :)

mannix8
06-16-2005, 11:54 AM
thats exactly the next movie i'm planning to watch.

Solothores
06-17-2005, 08:29 AM
And another one:


Hi, Harry.

The reason I'm writing you is that I saw War of the Worlds last Wednesday. It was a special screening for those all farts of the Hollywood Foreign Press. I was the guest of one of them, and I had to sign a statement which read I can't write anything about it until June 29... So, please, don't reveal my name!!!

Just a few words about the movie. Being the huge Spielberg fan I am, I really believe that, since that masterpiece called A.I., he's been proving that he is in one of the best periods of his career: Minority Report kicked ass, Catch Me If You Can was just wonderful and The Terminal is one of his most underrated movies.

War of the Worlds is not less good than all those movies.

The action sets in 12 minutes into the movie and, from that point on, it never stops. But it's NOT the typical blockbuster movie like, let's say, Independence Day, The Day After Tomorrow or Crap Helsing. We never see the destruction of any major city or landmarks: everything we see is through Tom Cruise, Dakota Fanning or Justin Chatwin's eyes. There's no hero that saves the day. And the real terror doesn't come from those amazing tripods (or the aliens inside them: yes, we see them at some point!): it comes from the humans. There's an incredible lynching scene that left me speechless. And there's another scene where one character is killed that goes beyond anything we've seen in a Summer movie (while watching it I was thinking: He's not gonna do it, Spielberg, won't do it... And he does it).

Beyond all that, the movie has a few shots that will stay with me forever: Dakota Fanning looking at a river covered with tens of bodies, so many we don't see the water; Cruise and Tim Robbins' faces covered with blood that falls from the skies; a train in flames crossing in front of a bunch of survivors; the facade of a church separating from the rest of it and threatening people around it; the remains of a plane crash... Yes, War of the Worlds has lots of action: it's like Jurassic Park, without all the bad dialogue; and amazing set-pieces: the first attack in New Jersey, another attack to a ferry that recalls Titanic, the sequence in the basement, that could be described as Jurassic Park meets Signs... But it's mostly the story of a father willing to do anything, and by anything I really mean ANYTHING, to save the lives of those he cares about. I'm afraid the Summer audience will be kind of disappointed, because it's more than just a Summer blockbuster. But I think we should thank Spielberg for reinventing the Summer blockbuster. Again.

Call me SpongeMan, if you post this.


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vfx
06-17-2005, 09:19 AM
Ohh scary moments - hope these things look mean! Lets hope this really is a mix of Jaws and Close Encounters - I'm booked! Speilberg always captures my attention - and if this is more like his early work and of course his more serious stuff then I just can't wait!!

aesir
06-17-2005, 09:38 AM
Well if the reviews keep up being that great, then I'll really have to go see it. Up till now I've been expecting your average Independence Day remake.

Solothores
06-23-2005, 02:57 PM
Another review (s p o i l e r s)

Dear Harry & Moriarty,

Rabid reader since the beginning of the site (and Moriarty was once kind enough to post my thoughts about Master & Commander). I have a confession to make. For some unexplicable reason this film was not as high on my 2005 must-see list as brilliant Sin City, near-perfect Batman Begins and the I-hope-DVD-version-will-be-all-it-should’ve-been Kingdom of Heaven. Silly me. The following may be a little blabbery at times but I just needed to get it off my chest

One of the toughest jobs any film has this summer (or year) is not to be upstaged by gigantic mastermind Jackson’s King Kong trailer if it plays in front of it (those 2 minutes were, in two words, pure bliss!). WAR pulls this off and then some! It is absolutely exhilarating to watch such brilliant work from people who are completely free, at the top of their game, having no need to prove antyhing to anybody. There is no wrong turns taken here by the bunch of masters big and small behind this film. From the ****-me seamless blending of Kaminski’s work with the efforts of Muren & Co. (there’s a sequence when Ray and the kids manage to get away in a car where camera does two rounds around the car, popping into the car, fron seat-back seat, back outside, then pull back to reveal all the chaos with hundreds of cars dead from the alien EMP and it all looks like one continuous take!) to the few touches of humor (which were nothing like the disturbingly wrong joke-notes in Minority Report) this film is a joy to behold, to use an over-used expression here.

Cruise’s Ray Ferrier is a big-time loser who himself just doesn’t seem to get it, sort of a 42 year old fratboy working at the docks, driving his vintage Mustang and living in a shithole of a house. He gets to babysit his kids (Justin Chatwin, looking like a cousin of Jake Gyllenhaal and the scaringly talented Dakota Fanning who after this and Man on Fire will hopefully avoid in the future stuff like Uptown Girls Go Down or Hide and Reek) and he even manages to **** that up (“It was 8.30, right? You’re saying it was 8? Hmm”). Unlike most of his movies, Cruise’s character doesn’t have all the answers here (hell, the guy usually doesn't even hear the questions). The only bright idea he gets when the intergalactic shit hits the fan is to get the kids to his ex-wife (oh-so-lovely Eowyn Miranda Otto who doesn’t have much to do here) because she has, obviously, always been the one doing all the hard work in family matters. Cruise is doing superb work here, from the scenes where he shows that Ray is less mature than his 10-year old daughter, to the scenes where it starts to dawn for him that there may not be a happy ending to this.

Score by Williams (I’ve been wondering for some time who’s gonna score Spielberg’s films after Maestro leaves us one day?) is used almost as economically as Silvestri score in Cast Away. No syrupy violins to drive the emotion home, no heroic-tragic fanfare&military drums combo when the doomed troops head in the opposite direction as Ray and his kids. There are moments so bleak and destruction so massive that the desperation is on the same level as the ghetto clean-up in Schindler. Numb animal instincts of the panicking mob are on display in another scene that is just perfectly frightening. Or a moment where closing door has bigger effect than that when John Wayne’s uncle Ethan remained outside. Ray simply does what he has to do in order to make sure the survival of his offspring and it’s devastating. I won’t clarify (I hate the ****heads who think that the only way to talk about the film is riddle their review with spoilers – even though there are times when it’s simply impossible to discuss certain points without giving away some key moments)

This has been told already, but the film is scary. The kind of we’re-****ed-big-time kind of scary, when there might be glimmer of hope that you know will be crushed soon because there just is no escaping these indestructible killer-tripods, sent by a civilization God knows how many millions of times more advanced than ours, making all the efforts to counter-attack them or even defend us totally pointless.

The only problem I have with the film is that we get to see couple of the aliens, because I would’ve preferred if the face of the alien force would have been those merciless tripods. But that’s a minor flaw compared to all that is right here. There is no jeffgoldblum uploading some computer virus up the alien ass nor randyquaid giving them an enema with crop-dusting plane nor brucewillis drilling a hole into their mothership and blowing himself up with it. There are, thank God, no slo-mo “Bay-shots” of children running past JFK murals or the French standing around the Eiffel tower/Egyptians around the pyramids/Londoners on Piccadilly Circus etc, looking up at the threatening skies. And luckily, nobody mentions E.T. (even though there is one small gag with a prop in a basement – or just my imagination running wild). And there’s no talk about “whupping ET’s ass”…

By the way, when was the last time a Cruise film didn’t have big face of TC on the poster? (I’m not counting the Japanese version with Tom and Dakota). When was the last time a Spielberg film ran less than 2 hours? When was the last time that big alien threat in a film was not taken down by the US Army/scientist/deep core drilling team or former fighter-pilot/president? There’s lot to enjoy here. Me and my buddy Bill Kill talked about the film after seeing it for a long long time. Later at home I gave him a call and we talked some more. It’s that kind of film, it gets you all giddy and stoned on the miracle of cinema, it makes you want to sit down and watch 3-4 good films in a row, putting aside such minor luxuries as eating and sleeping. I hope to God both of these guys keep the quality in both Munich project and M:i-3

Sorry if this has been sort of a rambling but it’s been too few hours since I saw it and there’s still ton of it to digest. All I’m saying is I’ll be damned if I’m not seeing it again next week!

Pleasure, as always, when the subject is movies,

Dashing Don Lockwood

Jokinen
06-23-2005, 04:01 PM
Can't wait for it to come out in Finland!

-JJ

NUKE-CG
06-23-2005, 04:50 PM
Why cannot all reviews be like that, just straight up speech from a human being. It told me what to expect more than some sugar-coated, overly descriptive uptight professional reviewer ever could. Thanks for posting that.

At first, when I read "People who hope to see huge scale destruction will be disappointed." I was, myself, disappointed; as I've been brought up on these kinds of movies, and I expect those scenes. Also as an artist, I'd love to see some in-focus eye-candy too, but I think I like the sound of this background action/specialFX. And this will be an upcoming "rule" in film eventually, with CG becoming impossible to detect, and overtime becoming less of a spotlight of a movie.

29th, cannot wait.

Insomniation
06-23-2005, 05:18 PM
I only read the last 2 lines because I didnt want to read any spoilers...

but from what I saw of the last 2 lines...


maaaaann I cant wait :bounce:

Chris Bacon
06-23-2005, 08:16 PM
OH YESSSSSSS...You have NOOOO idea how long Ive been waiting......its gonna be HUGE.....Ive been watching the trailers....VERY exiting.....(if thats how you spell it).....:buttrock:

Darktwin
06-23-2005, 11:24 PM
I freaking can't wait!, I'm so excited, I predict this film to be the movie of the summer easy. I'm going to see it at least twice in theaters. Spielburg is one of my all time favorite directors, and Tom cruise is one of my all time favorite actors . Last flick they did together I believe was Minority report and that was solid. I expect this to be one of the few successful remakes. Counting down until wendsday! Just from reading the reviews, I'm anticipating this flick more than ever.

Chris Bacon
06-23-2005, 11:34 PM
I freaking can't wait!, I'm so excited, I predict this film to be the movie of the summer easy. I'm going to see it at least twice in theaters. Spielburg is one of my all time favorite directors, and Tom cruise is one of my all time favorite actors . Last flick they did together I believe was Minority report and that was solid. I expect this to be one of the few successful remakes. Counting down until wendsday! Just from reading the reviews, I'm anticipating this flick more than ever.

Couldnt put it better myself....

Terrell
06-24-2005, 12:58 AM
All reviews from Aintitcool.com should be ignored. How anyone can take that site and anything posted on it seriously, I'll never know.

Sesshimaru
06-24-2005, 01:00 AM
I'm waiting in Denver, Colorado, U.S. Can hardly wait for it to come out. My mom has been beging me to read the book so that we can go see the movie. I have the book I'll start reading tomorrow right after i get out from the last day of summer school.*warning, hyper session in: 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0, * Yeah. woohoo. I'll be Freee, freee, freeeee. And my B-day is comin' up next moooonth. uhhuh, ohyeah, uhhuh, ohyeah. "I'm lovin' it." "I'm so excited, and i just cain't hide it." *session ending in: (yeeaah) 5, 4, ( i can't wait till my B-day) 3, 2, 1, (woooooyeeeeaaaaaah) 0*

Phearielord
06-24-2005, 04:15 AM
Plus the King Kong trailer will be screened in front of the movie aswell, which is another thing to be excited about!
Cant wait!

Dirtystimpy
06-24-2005, 07:30 AM
All reviews from Aintitcool.com should be ignored. How anyone can take that site and anything posted on it seriously, I'll never know.

I used to feel the same till I read an ep2 review a few years ago, it was a month early or so, and it was dead on what was in the movie. but just like any other review, I take it w/ a grain of salt, because we all see the movies we want to, regardless of reviews

Solothores
06-24-2005, 11:21 AM
@T
Really, I don't care. AICN reviews still are better than no reviews at all imho. ;)

cheers
Solo

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Ahoy, squirts! Quint (quint@aintitcool.com) here, back in my hotel room after a whirlwind night in New York City. I've put up my spiffy clothes (including the first shirt I ever paid more than $20 for) and am ready to write up my opinion of Steven Spielberg's WAR OF THE WORLDS. I got to attend the NY premiere this very night and am here to tell you about the flick. I'm not going to delve very deeply into spoilers, but there may be some stuff below that you don't want to know if you want to keep spoiler-free for the film.

I had been worried about WAR OF THE WORLDS. Nothing I saw onset (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=20215) gave me a hint at which way the movie was going. I had friends who were on the inside that told me David Koepp's script was fantastic and I have a ton of faith in Spielberg, so I was hoping for the best. Then the reviews started coming in saying that the movie was great up until you meet Tim Robbin's character, then it just runs out of steam and loses its focus. Not all the reviews said that, but more than one felt that was a problem.

So, I was hoping they were wrong going into the screening, but also thinking that it was a possibility. Spielberg's done uneven stuff before. So, what's the verdict?

In short, Spielberg knocked it out of the park.

I'm so glad he kept the key imagery out of the marketing. It was so nice to see a big summer event film on the big screen and not feel like I'm just waiting for the bits in-between the sequences from the trailer and other marketing.

I was worried a little about Tom Cruise in the film. Not because of all this bullshit that has been going on in the last couple of months, but the worry was that Cruise playing the lead would make his character an action hero, not an average person. However, Cruise's character is very real and he plays it very real. Flawed, even. Matter of fact, Ray is kind of an asshole. He doesn't know how to be a father, so when he takes his two kids (Dakota Fanning and Justin Chatwin) from his ex and her husband for the weekend it comes off very uncomfortable.

His ex doesn't trust him, his kids treat him like a stranger and every move he makes to share some quality time is forced. All this is shown in about 10 minutes of the film. It's not long before the shit goes down and once it starts it doesn't stop.

I'm going to say right here and now that the sequence where the first tripod is revealed is one of the best directed, paced, shot and performed sequences ever put to film. Pretty high praise, I know, but it's it true. From the moment Tom Cruise arrives at the spot where all the lightning was striking to the moment he walks back through his door... classic scene. The tripods are massive, hardcore and vicious. Everything we wanted them to be.

Spielberg shot them throughout the whole movie with a sense of mystery and awe. There's a running theme of mirrors and reflections in the film that is used to great effect. Don't get me wrong... there is still a ton of spectacle and some epic shots, but there's a freshness to the film that I haven't felt from Spielberg in a long time. I loved CATCH ME IF YOU CAN and THE TERMINAL mostly for the character work done by the actors (Hanks in both and Walken in CATCH ME) however I didn't get a sense of them as Spielberg movies.

WAR OF THE WORLDS is a Steven Spielberg movie. You feel it in every shot, every performance and every sound. Even before the invasion starts, the camerawork is sharp and creative, keeping an energy to the film, a momentum that builds to the arrival of the aliens. One of the reasons I love JAWS is his creativity with the editing, the camera work and the angles he chose. His recent films haven't looked dull, but this is the first time since SAVING PRIVATE RYAN that I could almost see Spielberg's face on the screen, he's put that much of himself into the film.

The film is rated PG-13 and it's a hard PG-13. Some swearing at the beginning... no big deal... But when the Tripods start blasting people... when you see how they create the red weed... Good God, it was awesome. And that's not taking into account the intensity. During the scene I was talking about earlier, the reveal of the first Tripod... I was wondering why the audience was so quiet until I looked down my row and literally every single person in my row (middle aged men, teenage girls, etc) was staring at the screen, mouths hanging open. They were awed. I haven't seen a film do that in a while.

Without ruining the surprise, I will say that Spielberg came up with a great way to show the Tripods taking out dozens upon dozens of people... a great visual that signals it has happened even if we don't see it (and we do see a lot of people get taken out, so don't think they use this as a way to not deliver the goods).

The effects are stunning, of course. ILM can be iffy these days, depending on the project, but whenever they're working under Spielberg they always seem to be at the top of their game and WAR OF THE WORLDS is no exception. The Tripods are massive and awesome, the aliens (yes, you do get to see the aliens) are creepy and oddly built. They move unlike most aliens I've seen put to screen, although there is a bit that reminded me of ET in their big scene, but, again, I'll let you discover the details of that your own self.

And yes, they are aliens, not some alternate dimensional ogres or whatever the hell people thought they were going to be. They managed not to lie in their advertising ("They're already here"), but still kept them aliens from another planet. I will say no more.

When I was onset, Spielberg told me he was keeping the film almost solely from the perspective of the family we're following and he wasn't lying. You stick with Ray Ferrier and his kids through it all. As their story weaves in and out of the line of fire we see glimpses of how the rest of the world is affected and we learn a little about the aliens in their encounters with other survivors. The military is seen only briefly, only as Ray and his family come into contact with them, so you don't have big scenes of jets shooting at Tripods until Ray and his family are there. This decision is a brilliant way to exclude any similarity between Spielberg's alien invasion film and Emmerich's. WAR OF THE WORLDS is unique, but still thrilling which is why I anticipate this to be a big hit. The draw will be Spielberg and Cruise, but what'll keep people coming back is how they made the flick.

The acting is top notch all across the board. Cruise hits every beat just right and I'm hoping all this tabloid bullshit that's been surrounding him lately will be forgotten about once the film begins. I know it all slipped my mind and Cruise and Holmes were in the theater with me, supposedly. I never saw them once, but I'm told they were there.

Dakota Fanning proves again that she is deserving of my shocked terror every time I see her on screen or off. She's extremely good in the film, too good. She's like a midget or a realistic android... She's just not right. Her talent, her maturity... all belong to someone much older than she. People keep comparing her to Jodie Foster and I don't disagree.

Tim Robbins is cool in the movie, playing a kookie guy that helps Cruise and his family out at an opportune moment. He has a terrific scene with Cruise, played mostly silent with facial expressions and hand gestures... another highlight moment of the film.

I didn't feel the movie lose focus or become something it shouldn't have been from this point, like I was worried I was. I think it's a bit of a shock to some people because this is the first time the movie lets you take a breath, the first time it slows down at all. I think it's a much needed moment, especially when you see what happens just previous to it. But the breather doesn't last very long...

Justin Chatwin plays Cruise's son. Like his dad, he's a bit of an asshole at first, but the compassion he has for his sister (Fanning) goes a long way to making him sympathetic for the audience. Chatwin does a solid job with the character. He's comfortable in front of the camera and it's a good thing, too, because this is probably the least likable character in the film and if Chatwin hadn't been up to snuff he could have really made the character a bore. I hear he's great in CHUMSCRUBBER. He's definitely one to keep an eye on.

Morgan Freeman's opening and closing narration is perfect. Freeman doing Welles reading Wells. Freeman's the man.

John Williams' score is nice, but non-intrusive. Lots of horns and drums... a little James Horner-y. I would have loved an instantly recognizable theme for the titles, but I can't complain. His music fit the film like a glove, but wasn't too showy.

I don't know if I have anything else to say... I know the ending (**SLIGHT SPOILERS HERE**) has been worried about, but I thought it was a nice cap to the film. The cynics will no doubt be bitching about it being too happy and I thought I was going to feel that way, too, but when the ending came it didn't feel out of place or unearned.(**END SLIGHT SPOILERS**)

So, rejoice! This summer is still running strong. We have a great BATMAN movie in theaters already, a sweet Romero zombie movie opening this weekend and a great Spielberg sci-fi blockbuster opening next week. If Spielberg can bring this level of effortless creativity to INDIANA JONES 4, then I say bring on INDIANA JONES 4!

I'm tired... it's been a helluva long day... I saw a movie in the same room as Hulk Hogan, Bruce Willis, Bill O'Reilly (believe it or not), Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon (how that couple could have been in the same room as O'Reilly and not start a fist-fight is a minor miracle), Paul Schrader, Peter Bogdanovich, Howard Stern, Ice T and John Singleton and the main cast and crew of WOTW to name a few... that's so weird... and I got to tell Tim Robbins that I loved him in HOWARD THE DUCK (no lie) and Kate Capshaw that I am one of the few people that can honestly and with total sincerity tell her that I love TEMPLE OF DOOM. I also got to geek out in front of Dennis Murren for a few minutes. As you can see, it's been a wild ride and I'm happy to share it with you folks.

I have a day of enjoying the city in front of me tomorrow... so I better get to bed before I sleep the whole day away. I've got some cool shit on the horizon, squirts, including a set visit to a sci-fi/horror flick called ALTERED, my time up north on the set of MASTERS OF HORROR as well as those KONG reports to finish up, not to mention Comic-Con happening in about 3 weeks. Busy busy busy. 'Til then, this is Quint bidding you all a fond farewell and adieu.

Sesshimaru
06-24-2005, 04:17 PM
@T
Really, I don't care. AICN reviews still are better than no reviews at all imho. ;)

cheers
Solo

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Solothores
06-27-2005, 07:10 PM
And finally the review by Harry from AICN,


You’re not ready for this. I can state that with absolute certainty.

This isn’t the warm fuzzy Spielberg that makes you feel all safe. This is DUEL Spielberg. I wouldn’t say JAWS cuz, frankly this film doesn’t have the “sense of fun” that JAWS had… That adventure feeling. DUEL wasn’t an adventure – it was a man desperately clinging to life – tormented for reasons beyond his ability to understand. It was unrelenting.

But there’s a kid. A cute one in WAR OF THE WORLDS – well that cute kid – she gets given the Christian Bale Shanghai Trauma. She’s a smart little kid, but she’s a little kid and she crawls into a dark place inside herself, and she will never be the same after her experiences here. So this isn’t ShortRound kid, this isn’t Smiley Joel Osment, this isn’t Elliott -- Remember the look on Brody’s kid’s face after he saw that man eaten by Bruce in JAWS? That, “I don’t think he’ll ever go in the water again” look? That sort of kid performance, where you believe that perhaps they drugged the kid, beat em with a rubber hose, shocked ‘em between takes, shot a puppy off camera… It’s that sort of thing.

It’s got Tom Cruise. Yeah, but who the hell is Tom Cruise these days. I mean, prior to this year I thought I had a handle on who Tom was. He was a perfect marketing machine, whose off screen life had him saving people from death, marrying beautiful stunning women and quietly being a part of Scientology. None of that matters to me though, cuz what keeps my interest with Tom is his choice in projects, roles and partners in the world of film. I like how Tom puts himself in Director’s hands and let’s them get what they need out of him. Lazy directors just go for the All-American Tom Cruise… Great directors like Crowe, Mann, Oliver Stone, P.T.A., Kubrick and now Spielberg… They tend to use Cruise counter to his mainstream image. Here… Cruise gives one of his absolute best performances.

Then there’s Spielberg… Steven hampered by a way too short shooting schedule and post time… Thrives like he hasn’t in Decades. In the past 20 years, Steven has made films I admire and like quite a bit. But I haven’t been AWED by Steven for an entire film – start to finish since probably CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND. Yes, I know RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK was in-between – but Raiders was never real… it was always filled with characters that didn’t live in my world, but the fantasy world of Serials and Popcorn fare. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS though… it devastated me. Dreyfus was 100% real to me. He lived in my time – in the seventies. He was a fun eccentric dad that’d take me to PINNOCHIO and GOOFY GOLF… Play with HO scale models and trains… The sort of dad that if he saw UFO’s would definitely come pick up the family to go see em too. But then the fanaticism took over, broke apart the family… and by the end… My jaw was just on the floor.

Well, I have to say – in Steven’s entire career he’s never made anything quite like this. It has the gut punch ouch of the raiding of the Ghetto in SCHINDLER’S LIST – I know that’s hard to imagine given this is a fictional story… but there’s imagery here… Imagery that I’ve only heard stories about. When 9/11 happened, my girl friend at the time lived in Queens – she still does. She told me stories of ash raining down – business papers falling from the sky… and the smell. Well, Spielberg isn’t doing THAT imagery – instead he plays this 100% real. When you see a Tripod unleash… when you see it do what it does – when you see the reactions it gets out of Tom and his two kids (Justin and Dakota) it sells it. This isn’t an awe film – it’s exactly what Steven set out to make, the American Survivors Tale. The Modern Holocaust. And it’s tougher than SCHINDLER’S… it’s more along the lines of THE PIANIST.

I love H.G. Wells’ book WAR OF THE WORLDS. Orson Welles’ radio broadcast of WAR OF THE WORLDS I love even more. George Pal’s WAR OF THE WORLDS, I love even more. BUT then there’s this. The adaptation of material has been exquisite. The beats are essentially similar – most to the Welles radio play. The result is a sense of immediacy, urgency and visceral power that I honestly feel you’ve never seen out of Steven. There was a 45 minute part of the film where I felt my bottom lip trembling and I was literally gripping my seat for a death grip. It was that intense.

That’s it for the spoiler free side of this. There’s some stuff that I want to discuss, simply because well – I am just dying to discuss things in even greater detail. So – beware of spoilers – and I really recommend that you do not read below this point. The more you can just sort of walk into this not knowing what to expect – the better. Trust me – just see it without seeking spoilers – you’re in for something extraordinarily special from Steven this time.

First – I’d like to tackle in greater detail Tom Cruise’s Ray Ferrier. For the first time in a billion years – Steven has a 100% real modern blue collar fella. Ray’s a prick, an arrogant overgrown child, he’s that guy that was the badass at High School sports – but not good enough to get a scholarship to go anywhere. I think he knocked up the High School Cheerleader (Miranda Otto) and she stuck with him… through his steel grip on his own myopic obsession with his lot in life. How ****ed over he was by the weight of her and those kids. He probably blames them for not going to college, instead of his own shit grades. He doesn’t want the family car, he wants his Mustang, cuz it’s cool. His house is a single “boys with toys” residence… Engine taken apart in his kitchen, nothing in the fridge, house a total mess. He resents his kids, but I think he loves Miranda’s Mary.. and feels shame for not being able to be the man she’s currently married to. A successful “well-off” emotionally grounded man that provides everything he couldn’t begin to. And it pisses him off. He feels his ex-wife judges him, his kids judge him.

I completely buy Tom Cruise in this character. His ability to project a complete lack of empathy for most anyone, but himself and what’s his… He is INSTANTLY transformed by what he sees. He commits grand theft, is willing to commit vehicular homicide, he will use his gun on others, he thinks the worst of others, and that gives him the intellectual security to do what he will to others to ensure his survival and that of his kids. Anybody else is expendable.

Cruise’s performance is absolutely riveting. Mainly because he is so alive moment to moment in this film. He’s just had his world destroyed. He has no idea how to really handle any of this – his big plan is to get to his ex-wife, you get the idea that she saved his ass after so many mistakes and irresponsible snafus – that it isn’t funny – and I definitely have the idea that he’s lost without her. Lost in terms of organizing his life, crisis management and most importantly… in dealing with his kids. This really isn’t about a scene here or there that Cruise shines in – it’s just compelling throughout.

Dakota Fanning – supporting actress nominee possibility. She’s that good. Her freak-out in the car… her education of dad regarding Hummus and Peanut butter – great. But… The river, the blindfold, deuce coup, the basket and the look she gives Dad after. It’s just fantastic. At no point does it seem she isn’t in the situation she is in. 100% believable and heart-breaking. I’ve enjoyed her work in other films, but this is just another level altogether.

Justin Chatwin plays Tom Cruise’s son. He really dislikes his father, and with good reason. Most likely you’ve never seen him act before, unless you were a huge fan of SUPERBABIES: BABY GENIUSES 2, but Justin’s big breakthrough is in a film that Dreamworks is releasing later this summer called THE CHUMSCRUBBER. In that, Justin plays a real bastard of a kid – and here. Here he plays a kid outraged by what is going on. He’s disgusted to be “running away” – he still has that ridiculous notion of standing up and fighting these aliens. His sense of family is a bit off… at times he really seems to be a great big brother to Dakota – but Tom’s character has influenced Robbie more than he would like to admit. He’s just as self-centered, but he’s probably smarter than his father.

Overall the family unit on the run is incredibly believable and real. This is the most grounded in modern culture film that Spielberg has made in decades. The characters feeling absolutely alive and in the moment on screen. Really can not express that enough.

As for the Tripods. Absolute muther****ers. These things… Jesus. From the sound design to the visual effects work… They’re a nightmare. The sound of the energy beam, the fury and horror of its results. When it very first makes its appearance, and Tom is running for his life and people around him burst into ash that he runs through, being covered in. It’s a nightmare. Just a ****ing nightmare. The look on his face when he’s home, he’s absolutely bug-****ed. You can see his entire mind and body shutting down. The only thing that snaps him too is the touch of his daughter and then looking in that mirror and seeing the ash of neighbors upon his skin. This is absolutely haunting. Brilliant work by Koepp, Spielberg and Cruise.

Now – I’m gonna discuss the ending. This movie ends as quickly as it starts. It is faithful to the book. Mankind is not responsible for its salvation. The end narration is in the closing words of the novel. Whether you believe it to be a religious conclusion or not – is up to you. Personally – if it was God, I don’t really accept that, cuz if there is a God, then these creatures are His creatures too. Rather, I believe the aliens rushed into something without fully thinking it through. In colonizing another world, how can one pretend to adequately analyze the billions of factors that could react to your existence. From people to sub-atomic items. I have always loved this ending, and it is absolutely the ending that HAS to be there.

The film is much closer to the source material than most would first think. The lightning as a distraction to the creatures arriving to occupy their machines already here. Even the things coming up from underground… ultimately the war machines come out of a crater. The people are witnessing a bizarre and curious activity that they have no frame of reference to. The Ray weapon in many ways is like the one in the book – but also combines aspects of the black gas in a way.

The main thing about this film is that this is absolutely amongst the very best Steven Spielberg films ever made. I am absolutely shook to the core by the film. This is a film with hardcore vintage sci-fi imagery given a power and weight that was inconceivable in its relevance to today. The film succeeds at the absolutely same level as Welles and Pal did. Perfect creations for the times they were made… and I believe it will resonate dramatically with today’s audiences.

This is the very best film I’ve seen this year.

cJaynes
06-28-2005, 05:51 PM
I'm waiting in Denver, Colorado, U.S. Can hardly wait for it to come out. My mom has been beging me to read the book so that we can go see the movie. I have the book I'll start reading tomorrow right after i get out from the last day of summer school Hey be careful of spoilers...;)

Boone
06-28-2005, 07:14 PM
I'm going to see this Thursday, early morning screening! :bounce:The VFX I've seen so far look good, but nothing that hasn't been done before. I think Steven (Spielburg) will concentrate on the human side rather than the War itself.

And Tom Cruise is always a delight to watch. Even if he is in the Yoda-class-of-stating-the-****ing-obvious! :D

Sesshimaru
06-28-2005, 07:58 PM
I'm going to see this Thursday, early morning screening! :bounce:The VFX I've seen so far look good, but nothing that hasn't been done before. I think Steven (Spielburg) will concentrate on the human side rather than the War itself.

And Tom Cruise is always a delight to watch. Even if he is in the Yoda-class-of-stating-the-****ing-obvious! :D

I'm reading the book so that i can go see the movie.

JB
06-28-2005, 11:00 PM
Garth at Darkhorizons has his review up today, 4 stars...

Pretty much the most solidly crafted movie of the year so far, "War of the Worlds" is about as far from quintessential 'nice' Steven Spielberg as you can get - which is why that makes this his best mainstream entertainment vehicle since "Jurassic Park". Taking the HG Wells original story and following it more closely than expected (from the tripod designs, to the all too rushed and almost anti-climactic deus ex machina ending), Spielberg creates an alien invasion movie that's the antithesis to the likes of "Independence Day" or the ilk.
http://http://www.darkhorizons.com/reviews/war-n.php

SOuLjA`-
06-29-2005, 01:45 AM
Wow! this movie is so amazing :eek:
just came from the Premiere ... very cool!
must see 4 everyone!
and King Kong trailer was impressive too :applause:

Matty2Phatty
06-29-2005, 06:56 AM
Way back in 1993 i went to the theatre to see Jurassic Park and was completely blown away... I wanted to do CG ever since then, and have the chance to recreate that magic. I was only a kid ofcourse, and spent some years before i could even come close to achieving that, but that movie affected me in a way no other film has.

When i first heard Spielberg was moving ahead with this and David Koepp was writing the screenplay i thought this would finally be the day my feelings back in '93 would be revisited!!!

Well, i just got back from the cinema, and i now know two things.

1: I'll never feel what i felt as a child ever again, I think you really have to be a kid to feel that rush, and i really miss it.

2: Steven Spielberg is freakin' awesome! The movie just totally rocked me, i loved it! You all gotta see it, it's great!

TheThidMan
06-29-2005, 07:16 AM
I went to the London Premiere a week ago. I thought the film was alright, however, in terms of narative structure, at the end of the film, there is ultimately no point in the film.
The crawling things have also changed from a ball with 3 legs to a half life 2 strider-esc machine. See the film for CG and sound effects, but not narative!

Solothores
06-29-2005, 11:16 AM
And another one, this time by Moriarty:


Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" (Moriarty@aintitcool.com) here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

Steven Spielberg is, simply put, the finest orchestrator of set pieces working in motion pictures at any level right now. He may well be the finest orchestrator of set pieces who has ever worked in motion pictures. He has such an innate understanding of how to use set-ups and payoffs and how to make each gain a unique and complete idea that he routinely creates movie moments that shame anyone else creating mainstream entertainment. There will be plenty of people who are so overwhelmed by the moments that are great in WAR OF THE WORLDS that they will not be able to resist a rush of hyperbole to anyone who asks how it was. You will hear the word “masterpiece” bandied about. You may even hear people compare it to RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK or JAWS.

Whatever WAR OF THE WORLDS is, it ain’t RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, and it ain’t JAWS.

There are a few things that make Spielberg such a fascinating film artist, and of all his peers, the guys he came up with, he’s the only one who I truly think has maintained every bit of the energy and ability and inventive playfulness that defined him in his youth, while also accumulating some real soul over the years that manifests in the strangest ways in his films now. Lucas has become more and more insular over the years, Coppola burned too bright to last, Milius is a genius but drives the money guys crazy, De Palma’s touched by brilliance but can vanish up his own ass at the drop of a hat, Schrader’s got the whole God thing he’s still working out, Scorsese’s class all the way but uneven at the most confusing times, and Zemeckis is better with the toys, but he just doesn’t seem to care about the scripts anymore. Of all of them, Spielberg is the one who continues to matter in a commercial sense and, I would argue, in an artistic sense. His films aren’t events because marketing people tell us they are events. His films are events because we all know that when he brings his “A” game, he has the ability to burn images into our consciousness like the very Hand Of God itself.

Growing up, I remember the first time I felt like Spielberg had punched a hole in my brain. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND. Saw it at the drive-in. My parents hadn’t let me see JAWS when it came out, so I didn’t know Spielberg’s work yet. I was still just starting out as a raving movie fanatic. STAR WARS had definitely sparked my imagination earlier in the year, and I was hungry for more. CLOSE ENCOUNTERS seemed almost impossibly dense to me that first time I saw it. There was so much going on all over the world, so many characters, so many different storylines all happening at the same time, and I wasn’t quite sure I got the way it all tied together. But then everyone got to Devil’s Tower in Wyoming, and that mothership came down, and suddenly, it didn’t matter why everyone came together. It just made sense that they were all drawn for their own reasons, and they all had to be in this one place to witness this one thing, and it was every bit as magical and amazing and awe-inspiring as it would have been if it was happening for real. To a seven year old kid, it might as well have been real. When RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK came out, Spielberg pushed it even further, and the “HOLY SHIT!” moment in that film for me was when Belloq unleashed the Wrath of God. It was so far beyond what I expected to see in a fun little summer movie, so powerful and disturbing and unforgettable. It wasn’t even something you could spoil for anyone else, because you couldn’t just tell them what it was like. It was the combination of the remarkably designed special effects, the unearthly sounds, the performances (“IT’S BEAUTEEEEEFUL!!”), and that brilliant John Williams score. I don’t think I breathed the entire time that scene unfolded, and even went I went back and saw the film over and over that summer, it kept working on me the exact same way.

Maybe my favorite moment like that in any of his films is the T-Rex attack in the first JURASSIC PARK. I was working at Universal Studios as a tour guide the summer that film came out. We’d watched them shooting it all over the lot for six months leading up to the film’s release, and security had been tight. Even on the lot, no one had gotten a good look at the dinosaurs. We knew they had full-sized robots on some of the stages, but doors were kept firmly closed, and guards were posted everywhere. If you remember that summer, you remember there were no pictures leaked. Everyone kept reprinting the same image of the foot in the mud, because that’s all anyone had.

They showed the film to the tour guides just about a week before the film came out, just as the trades reviewed it. VARIETY ran the first photo of a dinosaur’s face that I saw anywhere, a small square picture of the T-Rex, but it was hard to tell what to think based on that. When we walked into that theater, the film hit us cold, and it hit us hard. I have problems with the way the movie’s built. I think it takes its time getting started, and not in a good way. I think it’s fairly clunky in terms of plot mechanics, and there’s a whole lot of coincidence that keeps things moving. But when that T-Rex escaped and attacked those two trucks on that road in the rainstorm, I wasn’t sitting there thinking, “Boy, I wish they’d handled the exposition a little better.” I was thinking, “Oh, ****, I would hate to die being eaten. Oh, my god, this is the most terrifying thing I’ve ever seen. Sweet God, Spielberg went out and found real dinosaurs and they’re going to eat those kids and I don’t want to see this and AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!” And I wasn’t alone, either. The temperature in the Alfred Hitchcock Theater on the lot went up by at least ten degrees during that scene. People were gripped by pure animal panic, and Spielberg managed to milk it for at least forty minutes there. It wasn’t the CGI that made JURASSIC PARK all that money. It was the fact that Spielberg connected with something buried deep inside our collective memory, the sensation of being a small furry thing in a world of giant predators, afraid of being eaten. It was primal, and people went back over and over and over again just to experience that adrenaline rush. I know I saw it five times at the Avco, which was still the original un-****ed giant downstairs house at the time, the first DTS theater in Los Angeles, with JURASSIC being the first DTS release. It was addictive because it was so effective, and it didn’t matter if nothing else in the film worked.

My guess is that Spielberg’s desire to make WAR OF THE WORLDS comes from watching empty CGI spectacles being rolled out summer after summer, movies like VAN HELSING that ladle on special effects so dense and busy that audiences don’t even know what they’re looking at anymore. Remember... JURASSIC PARK had a total of 65 CG effects shots in the whole film. He used it sparingly, and he leaned on the actual construction of the moment, the use of suspense and performance and audience empathy. He created a scene, not a demo reel for a new type of software. My guess is that WAR OF THE WORLDS was meant to school everyone in exactly how to do it again.

Close. But not quite.

One of the things that strikes me upon reflection is how severely lacking WAR OF THE WORLDS is in something that distinguishes Spielberg from even his most ardent imitators: humor. Spielberg is genuinely funny. It’s odd that his biggest flop is still thought to be 1941, because Spielberg is just as good as prying a huge laugh loose from an audience as he is at squeezing out the tears or unleashing real terror. In the forty minutes of JURASSIC PARK that start with the T-Rex attacking the trucks and end with the T-Rex chasing Laura Dern’s jeep, there are just as many giant laughs as there are big scares. I think it’s one of the reasons the sequence works so well. WAR OF THE WORLDS has a few wry smiles in it, but for the most part, prepare yourself for one big giant bummer that is all about fear. If you thought BATMAN BEGINS played things serious, that film plays like the Adam West ‘60s version compared to how dour WAR OF THE WORLDS is. For the most part, Spielberg’s got one thing on his mind: scaring you. This may be the most aggressive nightmare he’s ever committed to film, and I can honestly say I wouldn’t take a child under ten to see this film for any reason. There’s no pressure valve here, no moments of wonder to balance out the horror. That’s a good thing if what you’re looking for is a roller-coaster ride that plays explicitly on the fears of a post-9/11 populace, but if you’re looking for a film that hits more than one note, this isn’t it.

Tom Cruise is good in the film, particularly in the way he interacts with two other specific actors, Tim Robbins and Dakota Fanning. It’s not a particularly deep role. Ray Ferrier is not a character so much as he is a type, the Bad Dad. He wants to be the Good Dad, but he screwed up and lost his wife and now she’s remarried and he only sees his kids occasionally and he wants to connect with them but he knows he can’t and so now he’s just accepted his role as the Bad Dad. That’s pretty much it, and Spielberg takes about ten or fifteen minutes to set that up for us and make it crystal clear. Justin Chatwin plays Robbie, Ray’s son, and Dakota Fanning plays Rachel, his daughter. She’s got the better role, since all Robbie ever does is act angry. You know... because Cruise is a Bad Dad. We have to buy that, or the hug you just KNOW is coming won’t matter, right? The badder that Bad Dad is, the more we’ll care when he turns out to be the Good Dad he’s wanted to be all along.

Except... we don’t care. Or I didn’t, anyway. To turn one of Cruise’s new favorite words back on him, I thought the family dynamic at the beginning was “glib.” I thought it was all surface. And I fully acknowledge that it’s one of the perils of the genre. When I go see a film called WAR OF THE WORLDS, I’m not really there to see a tender family drama about reconciliation and forgiveness. I’m there to see aliens and spaceships and... well... the end of the world, quite frankly. About twenty minutes in, the mayhem begins in a really lovely set piece that builds... and builds... and builds... and by the time it reaches full force, you are almost blindsided because Spielberg ratchets things up so well. And he sustains that feeling not through just that one sequence, either, but through the next forty minutes to an hour, stacking up a series of harrowing moments for the Ferrier family as they decide to get the hell out of town and head for Boston, where Ray’s ex-wife Mary Ann (Miranda Otto in a role that just barely exists) is supposed to be. Spielberg’s craftsmanship, ably supported as always by cinematographer Janusz Kaminski and editor Michael Kahn, is absolutely top-notch through this entire stretch of the film, and the fact that we believe the absurd Tripods as figures of menace for even a moment has got to be a sign of just how effective his work is. Once Tim Robbins shows up, the film changes gears and becomes claustrophobic for a while, and even though there are a few great moments during this extended sequence, this is where the film runs out of gas dramatically. Everything after this sequence is simply not as powerful, not as involving, and not as viscerally compelling. Anyone complaining specifically about the ending of the film has (A) never read the book by H.G. Wells and (B) was probably looking for a more conventional action movie finale. I think the actual ending is the least of the movie’s problems, though, because there’s about a half-hour of the film that comes just before that point that feels like Spielberg’s running in place. Everything pre-Tim Robbins is so frightening, so immersive, that he is never able to generate that same level of fear once he defuses it. It’s a structural problem that’s inherent to the material, and it’s obvious that Spielberg was more interested in creating an amalgam of the original novel and the Orson Welles radio drama than he was in pesky li’l internal logic issues. Nightmares don’t always make perfect sense, and Spielberg seems to take that as permission to make a movie that is, in some ways, one of the sloppiest he’s ever made.

Don’t get me wrong. I’d recommend you see this in a theater. The biggest theater you can find, actually, with the best sound system within driving distance of you. There are things in this movie that any fan of the genre owes it to themselves to see and hear and experience. Watching this with a packed house this weekend, you’ll definitely get in touch with that communal reaction thing that makes theater-going more powerful than watching something at home alone on DVD, no matter how good your system. I’m not sure how some people are going to react to seeing a movie that so nakedly borrows the iconography of the World Trade Center attack as well as imagery that directly recalls the Holocaust, especially when this is a film that seems to be principally interested in thrilling the audience. I think it works, but I also think a little bit of this goes a long way, and Spielberg underlines the point several more times than he needs to. I like the choice to make the aliens a cipher throughout the film. We don’t learn anything about them. We don’t get a glimpse into the way they think. There’s no magic translator machine that allows us to have a conversation about motives with them. They are alien. They are completely and utterly beyond understanding to us. It’s nice, but it will frustrate some viewers who demand answers, who want things neatly resolved. David Koepp and Josh Friedman managed to encapsulate everything that H.G. Wells wrote about in their script, and they did a nice job of keeping the focus on normal people instead of the fighter pilots and the President’s cabinet and the various heads of state that these films always focus on. On that level, hats off. And technically speaking, Dennis Muren and Pablo Helman have done some magnificent work here, re-establishing ILM right at the top of the food chain where they belong. It’s one thing to create a film like STAR WARS, where nothing is real and the sets and the props and even some of the characters are all created inside a computer, but it’s much trickier to pull off something that feels handheld and lit by daylight and shot on location like this. There are a few places in the film where the condensed production process shows a bit (check out the CGI reference marks in the tunnel at the end that someone forgot to erase), but only a few. For the most part, the scale of this film is breathtakingly rendered and utterly persuasive, and it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s this film and not ROTS that ILM is nominated for next spring at the Oscars.

There are even a few shots that remind me of the way Zemeckis will push the envelope just to see what happens, like he did with that infamous mirror shot in CONTACT. Watch for the extended scene where Ray and his kids are in a car, racing away from the city, and the camera swoops around them, in and out of the car, in one unbroken and impossible take. It’s subtle, but once you realize what you’re seeing, it’s enough to make you wish for a rewind button right there in the theater. That’s Spielberg for you, though. He throws away more great visual ideas than many directors will ever have. If this film was intended to school us all on how to build a set-piece, then it’s a success on that level. However, I don’t think this is any sort of grand statement about survival or the human spirit in the face of adversity. It’s a perfect fireworks show for the long July 4th weekend, but as with even the most spectacular fireworks, it was not built to last.

sphere
06-29-2005, 11:50 AM
I just got back from seeing this movie. I will try not to spoil it too much for those who have yet to see it, but as a whole I was very impressed with this film. The effects were great and I liked the fact that there wasn't any real hero in the whole story. I was nearly disappointed when Ray (Tom) took down one of them, but at least it didn't go much further than that.

worker_bee
06-29-2005, 06:39 PM
I saw it last nite and thought it was great...my stomach was in knots the entire movie. When they bring out the "death ray"...i was thinkin ooh here comes the cheezy death ray effect but what they did with it was frickin awesome and scary at the same time. I loved it!

I loved that it wasnt a cheezy movie like Independence Day...this movie is very true to the original War of the Worlds.

Boone
06-29-2005, 06:43 PM
Why is it that people write their life story when doing a film review? :D

Chris Bacon
06-29-2005, 06:45 PM
I loved that it wasnt a cheezy movie like Independence Day...this movie is very true to the original War of the Worlds.

apart from the fact its set in present day america and not victorian britton

Boone
06-29-2005, 06:53 PM
Re: Vivec.

Its a valid argument, but I don't remember the 1950's movie getting the same critisim... :curious:

SheepFactory
06-29-2005, 08:42 PM
i cant wait to see it tonight , and possibly again tomorrow.

BigJay
06-29-2005, 11:15 PM
I'll wait for more people from here to go see it. AICN has a habit of making anything look good. They have nice things to say about some of the worst films I've experienced. The bio before the review does nothing for me but know that they had a burito before the movie. It really doesn't make a difference. If it is a good movie you will forget the kids kicking your chair, the super cold AC and a full bladder from the 18 gallon coke you just drank.

I'm going to try to get to see it and land of the dead monday in a big double feature. hhh... aliens invade the earth, kill em all and then they come back... yeah perfect mix of double features.

eliwolff
06-29-2005, 11:52 PM
The movie was great! I saw it this morning before I went to work and I really want to see it again. The less you know about it, the better it is. I liked it better than Batman Begins and Star Wars 3..

Wizdoc
06-30-2005, 12:32 AM
While overall the film was brilliant, the ending nearly ruined it for me. The faithful-to-the-book ending to the invasion doesn't hold water in a contemporary setting and the coda with the family was unnecessarily saccharine and lame. Otherwise, it was a riveting and harrowing film.

And the FX were absolutely top-notch.

el-vio
06-30-2005, 12:44 AM
It will be my first film with my UGC unlimited ! hf all :)

leigh
06-30-2005, 12:48 AM
Going to see it in a couple of hours... I can't wait!! :D

Projectkmo
06-30-2005, 01:26 AM
** Possible Spoilers **

First let me say its been soooo long since I heard the original radio broadcast....that I dont remember much of the original...so I have no idea how closely or NOT this movie follows the original...

I really had Zero expectations or preconcieved notions about the movie...

and while the Effects were nice...they were really good I thought for the most part.....I was....overall...not so thrilled with the movie.

Im glad I went to the matine.

But the Sheer Scale....the Enormity of the Aliens.....wow...I felt it was portrayed well....the long shots of them roaming the land...etc...wow, very cool.

but again, I wasnt too thrilled with the movie over all.

I got tired of hearing Dakota whine...and I didnt feel like there was enough time spent with the charecters to really feel anything for them....with the divorce and the Father son Conflict.....it got old too....now, I understand its not a TV Series where we have a season of one hour episodes to really get to know this relationship....so I understand that...but it sorta made me wish I could fast forward past it.... oh well...

Projectkmo
06-30-2005, 01:35 AM
I went to the London Premiere a week ago. I thought the film was alright, however, in terms of narative structure, at the end of the film, there is ultimately no point in the film. See the film for CG and sound effects, but not narative!

I agree


"the ending nearly ruined it for me. The faithful-to-the-book ending to the invasion doesn't hold water in a contemporary setting and the coda with the family was unnecessarily saccharine and lame. Otherwise, it was a riveting and harrowing film. And the FX were absolutely top-notch."
Wizdoc

Again...I agree.

richcz3
06-30-2005, 01:44 AM
I really wanted to like the movie but I saw too much fault in the million year alien plan.
Visually I am glad the move was not a CG fest for CG sake. It was done very well and never took away from the intial tension of Cruise and family trying to escape.


****SPOILERS****


Whichever alien approved that invasion plan needs to be fired. :D
A million years in the planning?

A neighborhood by neighborhood invasion with slow walking craft that take out a human at a time. And oh yes they blow horns to announce their coming doesn't sound like a working strategy either. This was never going to lead to a quick decisive victory.

Had the tripods been represented or even mentioned as being in much greater numbers, their threat would have seamed more plausable. By the time Dakota and Cruise were scooped up, I felt the danger level had dropped that much less. These turned out to be human harvestors or cherry pickers that couldn't hold a light up to Half-Life 2's Tripod (Whatever it was called). It didn't help that the movie seamed to end abruptly. Tom grabbing the crusty vein anouncing they were dieing. :surprised

sphere
06-30-2005, 01:50 AM
Yeah I thought the invasion was pretty pathetic too Rich, considering it was that long in the making. You'd think they'd just develop something that wipes out all earth in one hit. Also you'd think they would've done it at least 100 years ago when our weapons technology was a little less advanced.

Also, did anyone think that the sounds the tripods make were a little like that sound in LORs?

Projectkmo
06-30-2005, 01:59 AM
Actually the sound they made reminded me a lot of Close Encounters....not the Tune...but nearly that exact sound...am I looseing my mind?...was there not a similar sound at the landing site in CE while they were trying to communicate?

/shrug

MK2
06-30-2005, 02:17 AM
Just a question about the movie: what exactly is the point of these Europa jokes?
Its the 2nd movie i saw in a short period with such a joke.

the first one was that batman movie: "..they are europeans." (hotel scene, girls in pool)

In this movie: "Are they terrorists?" "No, they come from somewhere else!" "Are they Europeans then?"

Iam wondering if americans did laugh at these jokes too? The people here laugh because it plays with the anti-american prejudice.

richcz3
06-30-2005, 02:25 AM
You can relax. The European joke in WotW is not a slam or joke on Europeans." They are not from here" is the line if I am correct. In not answering, It's simply that the concept of an alien invasion is either hard for Cruise to accept or he simply doesn't want to panic Dakotas character. This leads to her guesing. terrorists or europeans...as in not from here.

Zeus8484
06-30-2005, 05:01 AM
* WARNING SPOILERS *

Instead of having the 'eye' look for survivors in the basements, couldn't the aliens use thermal imaging? Or even better.. why not smoke people out?

Why haven't anyone ever detected huge pieces of metal buried under ground?

Asides from some logical errors and leaks, I have to say that I really liked the movie.

I would seriouly have preferred if they chose to just completely exterminate all people (without the happy ending). For me, the perfect ending would be if they rolled the credits right at the point before Ray gets picked up by a tripod (when he sees Rachel just standing hopelessly watching him).

I think people should definitely watch this though... its scary and very intense (Spielberg movies just have this undescribable flavour to them ).

* WARNING SPOILERS *

leigh
06-30-2005, 06:22 AM
Just got back from watching it...

Most. Terrifying. Film. Ever.

Amazing VFX -big kudos to ILM for that. But personally I think the scariest thing, by far, was the sound.





I hated the last two minutes.





But great film.

:thumbsup:

ambient-whisper
06-30-2005, 06:22 AM
You can relax. The European joke in WotW is not a slam or joke on Europeans." They are not from here" is the line if I am correct. In not answering, It's simply that the concept of an alien invasion is either hard for Cruise to accept or he simply doesn't want to panic Dakotas character. This leads to her guesing. terrorists or europeans...as in not from here.

im sure the eurpoean comments were deliberate, and i thought it was funny ( comming from someone who lives in north america but is originally from eurpoe, i dont see it offensive. just a fun stab ).

the movie overall was good. the beginning to almost end was good stuff but the end happened wayyy too quickly. i wouldnt mind an extended edition like LOTR had to flesh out everything after they met tim robins' character. i also personally didnt feel that having a happy happy ending was needed. especially with one of the family members.

But personally I think the scariest thing, by far, was the sound.

yeah, the sound was very well done. everything from the "lightning hits", to the startup of the tripods, or rumbling, crumbling, and destruction around them. great stuff.

erilaz
06-30-2005, 06:27 AM
IThese turned out to be human harvestors or cherry pickers that couldn't hold a light up to Half-Life 2's Tripod (Whatever it was called).

To quote a hapless NPC in the game:

"STRIDERRRR!" :scream:

JMcWilliams
06-30-2005, 06:34 AM
Yeah I thought the invasion was pretty pathetic too Rich, considering it was that long in the making. You'd think they'd just develop something that wipes out all earth in one hit. Also you'd think they would've done it at least 100 years ago when our weapons technology was a little less advanced.

Also, did anyone think that the sounds the tripods make were a little like that sound in LORs?

Yeh! They should have just wiped out the human race with a special shockwave that covers the planet, over in 5 minutes! :shrug:
Would have made a really short movie though, don't you think ;)

erilaz
06-30-2005, 06:38 AM
Yeh! They should have just wiped out the human race with a special shockwave that covers the planet, over it 5 minutes! :shrug:
Would have made a really short movie though, don't you think ;)

But then they could have made it a romantic drama about the aliens coming to terms with their guilt over the mass genocide of the earth, and how love transends all boundaries of time and space.

Either that or a sit-com. "He's the last survivor of the human race and she's a powerful pandimensional being! They're the original odd couple who can't get enough of each other!"

richcz3
06-30-2005, 06:50 AM
Yeh! They should have just wiped out the human race with a special shockwave that covers the planet, over it 5 minutes! :shrug:
Would have made a really short movie though, don't you think ;)
The notion was that it was not a war with mankind but an extermination of mankind. That and the invasion plan up to that point would have supported an ominous invading force. I was really looking for that view on that hill sequence. The view that would have shown the sheer magnitude of the invading force. The apocolyptic view of 15-20-40 tripods slowly methodicaly exterminating humans as far as the eye could see.
Unfortunately that scene resorted to one slow Tripod emerging from the hill setting everything ablaze, allowing Cruise to outrun on foot again. :shrug:

There were definately some great sequence of fear and suspence, especialy in the begining. But by the time the Airliner had crashed on the house, the movie took a decidely different course.

To quote a hapless NPC in the game:

"STRIDERRRR!" :scream:

Ahh thanks. thats it

leigh
06-30-2005, 06:58 AM
Hey guys, guess what... it's A FILM. You're supposed to be ENTERTAINED. It's SCIENCE FICTION. Stop nitpicking, chew some popcorn and totally suspend all notions of reality :) Trust me, films are a lot more fun when you throw reality out the window and stop scrutinising every detail and event.

That's what science fiction alien invasion films are all about ;)

If there invasion had been hugely successful, and they'd have a massive fleet that wiped out humanity in five minutes, what would they have done for the other 1 hour and 55 minutes of the film?

richcz3
06-30-2005, 07:06 AM
Now if this was War of the Worlds Part IV:Jason vs. Freddy vs. the Tripods
I would stuff my face with popcorn and throw all story or plot rationale out the window :)

Xeom
06-30-2005, 07:08 AM
Great movie,

The FX were some of the best i have ever seen,ever scene felt belivable.
Acting was again great,the connections between each char feels real,you acctualy start caring for the chars.

Also on a side not did anybody think the big tripod things look a lot like the things from the first few episode of the new justice leauge.im prity sure they got insperation from the book.

JMcWilliams
06-30-2005, 07:10 AM
I mean, if you really want to start going on about realism. Then I can start bringing up lots of stuff about how aliens would be better off with a pretty desolate planet without the nasty microbes and build thier own habitat (plenty of planets around that would provide a much better starting place for making a new home if you are a technologically advanced alien). I recall reading a cool book by Edward Ashpole that pulled apart the whole 'alien invading earth', 'alien eating humans' and a host of other things we often see in sci-fi (and UFO abduction claims too).

EDIT: http://www.clarebooks.co.uk/item5241.htm
(nice scientific look at the subject if you like that kind of thing :D. No hyperbole)

But it's just a movie. :D

harlan_hill
06-30-2005, 07:31 AM
I really enjoyed it. It was fun movie. I share the same issues with the ending that most of you have expressed, the ending was a little weak just as it was in the original.

I didn't care much for the appearance of the actual aliens - I'd have much rathered they didn't make an appearance, but it's cool.

*****Zeus8484****
Instead of having the 'eye' look for survivors in the basements, couldn't the aliens use thermal imaging? Or even better.. why not smoke people out?
****************

Perhaps the Aliens hadn't discovered that technology yet.

*****Zeus8484****
Why haven't anyone ever detected huge pieces of metal buried under ground?
****************

Duh!!! They aren't made of "metal".


Why is the sky blue?? yadda yadda yadda ;)

cheers...

leigh
06-30-2005, 07:40 AM
Now if this was War of the Worlds Part IV:Jason vs. Freddy vs. the Tripods
I would stuff my face with popcorn and throw all story or plot rationale out the window :)


Now damn that's one awesome idea :buttrock:

parad0x
06-30-2005, 08:30 AM
*** Possible Spoiler ***



Sounds to me like a few of u are confused, they came down in the lightning, not the "were here for millions of years" idea that mr. robbins cooked up (cuz he is a crazy sob in that movie), The compositing and cg are just wow status. I would love for any of you to point out a better compositing piece of film etc then this....absolutely spectacular ...thats my 2 cents

harlan_hill
06-30-2005, 08:55 AM
I gathered from what the News Reporter chick was saying in the film that the Tripods were buried in the earth, and the "Pilots/Aliens" came down in the Lightning - which is what she was showing on that videotape.

Rye
06-30-2005, 08:57 AM
Best movie of the year IMO (so far atleast)

I went through and read everyone's comments after getting back from seeing it, and while I do agree with what was said about the whole invasion being a bit ridiculous, while watching the movie, that was the last thing on my mind. All I could think was "RUN!"

**SPOILER**

My favorite scene didn't even involve the aliens. The scene in which Robbie drives into a crowd of people while his dad is sleeping was the most frightening to me. It really gave me a sick feeling because I know that if something terrible like this really happened, thats exactly how many people would act. Selfishly. To the point of hurting themselves (the guy ripping open the glass with his bare hands) or hurting others (shooting the driver). It made me wonder if I would be like that, or one of the few who would actually help others.

But dude that scene with the disentegration ray was freakin sweet too.

**SPOILER**

parad0x
06-30-2005, 08:59 AM
harlan u are right, i made a mistake, and to back it up....this is from an interview


Rick Carter – "I don’t know how much we can say (laughing). Of course this is the big 500 lb, 10,000 lb elephant in the room that we’re supposed to talk around. What I would say is that it’s about how those aliens present themselves in our world, so that what I’m trying to get at is there’s a mystery to it. There’s a cause and effect so that a lot of what the aliens are about – and they’re tripods and I’m allowed to say that – they’ve been here and that’s why the [cells] are already here. There’s a way that they’re activated. So that, in a sense, it is about something that’s already here from our subconscious coming up. But then not revealing it right away."

harlan_hill
06-30-2005, 09:01 AM
Yeah, that disintegration ray was f@ckin awesome!!! :)

I got a kick out of the Train too... that was funny.

Oh, and I totaly agree in regards to the compositing Parad0x; the compositing was fantastic - some of the best if not the best I've seen.

leigh
06-30-2005, 09:05 AM
<SPOILER>

The sequence when the disintegration ray started tearing people up was one of the single most terrifying film sequences I've ever seen. The panic that it caused - the hysteria of people fleeing from it - was really well done, very believable. And the sound it made... it gives me gooseflesh just remembering it. Like a darker, deeper dentist drill.

:argh:

And I agree with Rye about the crazy, selfish behaviour of the people in that car scene. That was really chilling.

pogonip
06-30-2005, 09:07 AM
Thought it was an awesome highly emotional movie . The alien ships were fantastic and very scary . Like it has been said before this is much closer to a horror movie then anything else . The part when the little girl is going to go pee and starts seeing all the dead people floating down the river ..man that was horrorific ...ha awesome ! All the actors were really good .

Now about realism and why they did this and that . The plot has so many unrealistic holes in it . #1 An advanced species would not fall prey to microbes or whatever .. #2 if they really wanted to kill all the people on earth a species who buried ships millions of years ago would have by then developed the technology to build a super virus so powerful it would spread to man ..animal on land and sea and kill all life on the planet ..hell I think we are close to that kind of technology, we seen it in 12 monkeys .

Supervlieg
06-30-2005, 09:14 AM
It was a nice movie, a bit simple storyline, but great execution. I liked the design of the tripods as well. They looked really impressive standing high atop the hills and looming over the bay with the ferry.

I thought the death ray was so, so. It was a bit corny imo. The sound was killer though. I also liked that the aliens were tripods as well, and that their vehicles mirrored that.

Brumfield
06-30-2005, 09:26 AM
the microbes thing is straight out of the book. it's not something you can really fault the movie for.

in fact, 90% of the things i've seen people complaining about are in the book. i would have thought most people had read it at one point or another in their lives.

SheepFactory
06-30-2005, 09:29 AM
The 30 minutes after the tripods appeared are some of the best moments in the history of cinema in my opinion. I forgot to draw in breath many times during that.

Overall i liked the movie a lot but after that first tripod scene , the movie winded down. But i cant blame them , its hard to top that :)

kudos to everyone at ILM who worked on this movie.

cpaulson
06-30-2005, 10:09 AM
i just gotta put my thumbs up in as well.... the movie was so well done from an emotional stand point.... you just feel helpless halfway through the movie, oh... and did anyone else want to punch the mechanic in the face when he wouldn't shut up and get in the van? great great movie!!

Brumfield
06-30-2005, 10:55 AM
i'd just like to address some of the "plot holes" that people are complaining about.


- "why didn't the aliens just take over the earth millions of years ago when they buried the machines?"

who says the aliens physically came here millions of years ago? the tripods could have been sent out ahead of the aliens, much like we send out un-manned probes today, and they may have automatically buried themselves on our planet. think of it like if we were to send a manned mission to mars. we might send the heavy equipment ahead of the actual humans to have it waiting on us when we get there, rather than sending everything at once.


-"how could those tripods have gone undetected for the entirety of human existence?"

i think people are making the assumption that these things were buried just below the surface. who's to say that they weren't thousands of feet down or maybe even miles? if that were the case then it's entirely plausible that they have gone undetected all this time.


- "how did the son survive?" (this is probably the biggest complaint i've read about this movie)

perhaps he was captured by the aliens much like tom and his daughter were and placed in one of those baskets. then perhaps the aliens started dying before they had a chance to use him as food or whatever. there are many possibilities here really. you never actually see what's happening on the other side of that hill, so to say it's impossible that he could have survived is purely speculation.


- "why would the aliens, an obviously greatly advanced civilization, not realize that the earth was toxic?"

the microbes or virus or whatever that killed them may not have existed at the time they decided to take this planet, potentially millions of years ago. or even if you don't like that explaination, just because they are an advanced race doesn't mean they are perfect and know everything there is to know. it's entirely plausible that they simply were unaware of the microbes and their effect on their bodies.

Solothores
06-30-2005, 11:00 AM
Never Mind :D

JMcWilliams
06-30-2005, 11:16 AM
the microbes or virus or whatever that killed them may not have existed at the time they decided to take this planet, potentially millions of years ago. or even if you don't like that explaination, just because they are an advanced race doesn't mean they are perfect and know everything there is to know. it's entirely plausible that they simply were unaware of the microbes and their effect on their bodies.

That 'flaw' is not really defendable IMHO, an advanced race that doesn't know simple biology? besides, microbes are microbes... if they are not from your biosphere, then you are in trouble!, but it's just a movie/book so why let it spoil the fun. ;)

Of course, the aliens being here on earth themselves would contaminate our biosphere with thier own microbes, a particulary nasty biological disaster really. Especially rotting alien corpses :O (not even the flies and maggots would go near it). I recall reading a bioligists comment on just how dangerous to our health an alien would be.
Sounds like humanities troubles are just beginning at the end of the movie :D

Rasmus Pultz
06-30-2005, 12:14 PM
**SPOILER ALERT**

In terms of mood I think WotW was excellent. The annihilation was frightning and scary, and I agree with realistic execution of how selfish people behaved. All that was top notch - and of course the CG :D However, I just can't get pass all the weird and stupid stuff in the movie. Of course, as Leigh argues, it's a movie for entertainment (and also science fiction), so one shouldn't been nit-picking. But argh, when I was watching I simply couldn't stop thinking about all the weird and stupid stuff. For instance, after Ray, Robbie and Rachel emerge from the house of Mary Ann and Tim - the car Ray stole is completely intact even though a huge airliner has destroyed everything else around the house (and the house itself).
Why did the aliens go down into the basement at Ogilvy's house? They drank some sewerage water (yum, yum!), looked at some photos(?), had fun with a wheel and just checked the basement - for no apparent reason? Much like in Signs, where an alien jumps around on the house for no apparent reason. Maybe I'm just nit-picking too much, but I really didn't like those things.
Anyways, I really enjoyed the mood - it was really a awesome experience. But the over-the-top-sweet-happy-ending, was simply not my cup of tea.
Btw. the sound design was awesome - really nice.

[EDIT]
Forgot the spoiler alert, sorry.

mannix8
06-30-2005, 12:35 PM
I agree the sound is amazing, its sets the mood.



I have no comment with the story only with the “perspectives”

Because it made you wonder whats happening on other parts of the world and etc.

Most of the camera shots are within eye level or from a vantage point of people on the ground. Aerial footage should have been considered. It would help if there were glimpses of the earth while invasion was happening so that the viewers would feel the worldwide attack was actually happening.



I also agree with the conclusion at the end, it seems too abrupt.



But, overall the movie was very good. I will surely buy the DVD to study the FX.

JMcWilliams
06-30-2005, 12:41 PM
Most of the camera shots are within eye level or from a vantage point of people on the ground. Aerial footage should have been considered. It would help if there were glimpses of the earth while invasion was happening so that the viewers would feel the worldwide attack was actually happening.


Are you Dean Devlin?
:D
I've not seen it yet, but I'm glad that they have kept the perspective grounded with the people that count.

MK2
06-30-2005, 01:25 PM
@ambient Whisper

im sure the eurpoean comments were deliberate, and i thought it was funny ( comming from someone who lives in north america but is originally from eurpoe, i dont see it offensive. just a fun stab )

I didnt find it offensive at all! But i was asking myself why ppls where laughing at that scene. I found out that some people interprated that joke like an joke against americans (which sure not was the point).
In the break (we have a break in the middle of the movies to grab food, drinks and smoke a cigarette) i heard some ppls saying things like: "Yeah, typical americans... terrorists and europeans are the same for them but they cant even show on a map where the EU is, hahaha." At that point that joke wasnt funny anymore. Maybe iam just overreacting cause of these idiots...

Ministry
06-30-2005, 01:50 PM
i just saw the trailer. but i heard aboutthis movie a long time back. i was very sure about the special effects. Because it is spielbergs movie. I 'm a die hard fan of him. can't wait to see the movie.:bounce:

doobywho
06-30-2005, 02:34 PM
I thought that the movie was great. Can't wait for the DVD. The thing that made things even better about the movie was that it was made in 90days.

ndat
06-30-2005, 03:01 PM
I thought it sucked... The only good part was the acting, the story really blew, nothing compared to the original (Book).... Too many things that were unrealistic and way too many plot holes. Plus for a movie the ending was very anti-climatic, for a book it works well, but in movie form not so well. I think Spielberg is a horrible director, he needs to improve a lot. Or perhaps it was condensed for theaters, I guess I will wait until the directors cut until I make a final decision.

sebek27
06-30-2005, 03:08 PM
Good movie, not great.. the ending was a letdown since it all ended so quickly. The special effects were amazing ! the first attack scene was done very well to make it feel like it was really happening and fx were some of the best I have ever seen.. ILM rocks ~!





Question
(SPOILER.. might be)
the red sea weed stuff, was that some type of poison ? for some reason i feel like it was mixed with human blood and or body parts ? or am I way off ?

ndat
06-30-2005, 03:13 PM
@ambient Whisper
I didnt find it offensive at all! But i was asking myself why ppls where laughing at that scene. I found out that some people interprated that joke like an joke against americans (which sure not was the point).
In the break (we have a break in the middle of the movies to grab food, drinks and smoke a cigarette) i heard some ppls saying things like: "Yeah, typical americans... terrorists and europeans are the same for them but they cant even show on a map where the EU is, hahaha." At that point that joke wasnt funny anymore. Maybe iam just overreacting cause of these idiots...

Hahaha... I think I was the only one laughing in the entire theater and it was packed, I don't remember the joke anymore though.

I would have had to find a map to prove that I could find Europe, but then again I haven't seen many maps without Europe labeled on them. But that just goes to show when people are ignorant of something they tend to make generalization that may be skewed a bit.


Question
(SPOILER.. might be)
the red sea weed stuff, was that some type of poison ? for some reason i feel like it was mixed with human blood and or body parts ? or am I way off ?

THey were Terraforming (sp?) the planet and using the blood as fertilizer, I really think they should have explained that, it would have only taken 5 seconds or less. Most people were confused by that...

SVMaerospace
06-30-2005, 03:15 PM
Spielberg is an excellent story teller, in my opinion, and he knows how to craft a compelling story. His brand of film making has to be appreciated for what it is, and he is a talented individual (no matter how much money is in his budget, he's still good).

I absolutely loved the film, I've been nuts about the concept of the tripods since I read the book last (for the fifth time in 8th grade). Every time those damn tripods showed up, in the book and in the movie, I got a knot in my stomach. I mean, a giant alien war machine that has one purpose: to vaporize great crowds of men, woman, and children, and those that it doesn't destroy get sucked into its giant bio-mechanical anus and used as fertilizer? Holy Invasion, batman!

I thought the story arced well, I liked the "anti-climactic" ending for the very reason that it was true to the book. By the same token, the Lord of the Rings films are very anti-climactic, and they were excellent (unless you think they sucked as well).

Loved every second of it, went home and had nightmares about tripods chasing my family.

sebek27
06-30-2005, 03:23 PM
decided to delete this post since it's not related to the movie and some people might not like what I wrote- it was about pointing countries on a map..

Matty2Phatty
06-30-2005, 03:23 PM
My mother was talking to me today about how much she loved it, and we talked for maybe half an hour about all the things we loved about it. I make films, so i tend to look at them a little differently, but hearing my mum go on about it got me so pumped i went and saw it again tonight with some friends who hadn't seen it yet.

The second time i intended to pay more attention to the camerawork (which is awesome by the way) but once the tripod came out of the ground i just got sucked in all over again and felt all the same thrills as the first time...

I don't think i've ever had that happen to me before.

ndat
06-30-2005, 03:36 PM
I thought the story arced well, I liked the "anti-climactic" ending for the very reason that it was true to the book. By the same token, the Lord of the Rings films are very anti-climactic, and they were excellent (unless you think they sucked as well).


I didn't think the lord of the rings was anti climactic at all, but even if it was it was done well in movie form and book form.

However I think the book and the movie in this respect should have been different. The Book is great and I love it, but it doesn't translate into a good movie. There are things that are in the book that if you do in the movie they are going to be a bit odd and they probably won't make any sense to the audience. The book was targeted to a certain audience and the movie is targeted to an entirely different audience so they should have changed a few things including the ending. However the movie wasn't that close to the book in my opinion and there were a few areas that it fell short in the newer aspects of the story. Almost all of the Spielberg movies I have seen I have felt the same about except his classics. This movie had so much potential to be incredible, some things just need to be changed and elaborated on. That is my opinion though, I could be wrong, but I think I could have done it better and when that is the case it must have fell short in a lot of areas.

eirenicon
06-30-2005, 03:39 PM
That 'flaw' is not really defendable IMHO, an advanced race that doesn't know simple biology? besides, microbes are microbes... if they are not from your biosphere, then you are in trouble!

Perhaps the alien planet (presumably Mars, since we see it in the opening shot) didn't have harmful bacteria. We can't presume an alien physiology to be similar to our own. In their arrogance and confidence of their superiority over the apparent dominant race (humans) they simply didn't expect a threat from something practically invisible.

(And as for the guy who wondered why they wouldn't have infrared vision: perhaps the aliens don't have warm bodies. They'd never have invented it because they never would have needed it.)

I saw the movie yesterday. It was absolutely brilliant. The AICN reviews are spot on.

SVMaerospace
06-30-2005, 03:44 PM
Or, even more plausibly, they were well aware of the bacterial and viral presence on this planet, and had been vaccinated and prepped, but simply didn't account for one strain of some bug that eluded them, like some goofy rat flu that just popped up in the last couple years .

Perhaps it was just a really terrible mistake and some alien got fired for it. :)

AkaKico
06-30-2005, 03:55 PM
Hey guys, guess what... it's A FILM. You're supposed to be ENTERTAINED. It's SCIENCE FICTION. Stop nitpicking, chew some popcorn and totally suspend all notions of reality :) Trust me, films are a lot more fun when you throw reality out the window and stop scrutinising every detail and event.

That's what science fiction alien invasion films are all about ;)

If there invasion had been hugely successful, and they'd have a massive fleet that wiped out humanity in five minutes, what would they have done for the other 1 hour and 55 minutes of the film?

I second that!
If you didn't want to see a movie where the aliens get sick at the end, why did you go see it? I hd friends complaining about that, and they knew from the start how it ended, it would have been terrible is they changed the ending around! What do people what? Haha I try really hard to just sit and enjoy, at least the first time I see something. I loved it.

eirenicon
06-30-2005, 04:23 PM
I second that!
If you didn't want to see a movie where the aliens get sick at the end, why did you go see it? I hd friends complaining about that, and they knew from the start how it ended, it would have been terrible is they changed the ending around!

Yeah, we could have had some kind of "Tom Cruise meets an alien and manages to connect on a spiritual level, showing them that humans really deserve to live" ending. Actually, I was pretty sure that Fanning's character was going to 'save the world' because of the splinter/infection bit at the beginning. Nice to see that Speilberg resisted.

richcz3
06-30-2005, 04:39 PM
I did not see this movie as an action-escapism-sci-fi movie. Independence Day is that kind of movie, and even that movie received a good ripping despite its action-alien-take over the world scenario.

As Sheep mentioned, the start of the movie had a pace and growing magnitude of threat and emotional intensity that doesn't occur in those types of movies. You felt for the characters and were unsure what would happen next. The acting and direction were top notch in the begining up until around the airliner went down and the reporters entered the scene. For myself it was around that point that the threat/pace/urgency was lost and only occasionaly recovered.

Rye
06-30-2005, 04:58 PM
For myself it was around that point that the threat/pace/urgency was lost and only occasionaly recovered.

Yeah it must be so hard to keep momentum up in a film after a scene like the first attack. Spielburg had to hit us so hard with the initial attack in order to terrify us, that I think there was nothing else that could really top it.

THey were Terraforming (sp?) the planet and using the blood as fertilizer, I really think they should have explained that, it would have only taken 5 seconds or less. Most people were confused by that...

Didn't seem to be all that hard to figure out, but since most of the people on this board are sci fi buffs, we just know these things ;) However I think the reason they didn't explain it was for the same reason very little was explained about the aliens, other than speculation from the humans. This movie was more about the effect an invasion had on the people of Earth, than the actual invasion. Most people would probably have no idea what the red growth covering the land was supposed to be, so why explain it to the viewer thus making us outsiders watching a movie where we know more than the characters. It just adds to the confusion and chaos.

ivanisavich
06-30-2005, 05:52 PM
*possible spoilers*

Wow. Loved everything except the ending. On its own it's quite a nice way to end the whole story...but that's exactly how the book/old-movie ended...and I was kinda hoping for something original and new. But...as soon as it opened up with that bacteria shot in the beginning...I KNEW he'd end it the traditional way...ah well....the insane effects made up for that.

Did anyone catch that CRAZY camera move where the camera swung around the van as they were dodging cars etc (right after he steals it)? That was INSANE!

EricLyman
06-30-2005, 05:52 PM
I won't go over everything I loved about this movie becuase much of it's already been posted, but I wanted to add that movies like this are really restoring my faith in film. I had such a great time watching this movie last night with my wife, we were both amazed. Speilbergs' touch is evident in the direction, I was happy to see that some of the scariest parts of the movie were obscured from the viewer. It's always scarier when your imagination fills the blanks. And I'm so glad that it was so... tangible. It was real in a way that Independance day wasn't. And there were some parts that really had me on the edge of my seat! There were some parts that I would have changed, but I still think that 95% of this film was perfect!

leigh
06-30-2005, 06:15 PM
- "why would the aliens, an obviously greatly advanced civilization, not realize that the earth was toxic?"

the microbes or virus or whatever that killed them may not have existed at the time they decided to take this planet, potentially millions of years ago. or even if you don't like that explaination, just because they are an advanced race doesn't mean they are perfect and know everything there is to know. it's entirely plausible that they simply were unaware of the microbes and their effect on their bodies.

I got the impression that they were in the process of changing the atmosphere (I seem to remember this from the original, but I could be thinking of another film/book) by growing those plants and changing the surface of the planet. Perhaps the purpose of that was to make the atmosphere safe for them, but since they failed in that, the air killed them.

This wasn't explicitly explained, but it was the impression I got.

BigJay
06-30-2005, 06:28 PM
The red seaweed stuff was the aliens attempt at marsiforming the earth. They brought their own plantlife with them to start converting the earth to their own needs.

In the book the aliens also used gas bombs, nerve gas/biotoxins to kill large groups of people.

I wouldn't imagine huge numbers of the striders...err. tripods because they where indestructable for the most part so you only need a few. Combined with death rays and biotoxins a single machine could clear a town pretty fast. For a city a handful would do. So I wouldn't expect to see Matrix numbers of striders wandering around.


I haven't seen the movie yet but it seems that they dropped the bombs and left in only the death ray. Of course if they left them in the movie would be alot shorter.

The sleeper cell idea doesn't make any sense to me. Why wait when they can begin spreading the red stuff long before humans even invent fire little less nuclear weapons and have populated the earth.

Aliens really need to study the places they are invading. First you have Signs with aliens invading a word covered in the one thing that melts them and they forget to wear something as simple as a rain coat. Then in WotW they all forget to get a flu shot, even our army knows to get shots before going overseas. Also what is up with aliens running around naked? From ET to Signs they all decided it was easier to run around in the buff than wear appropriate tourist/invasion gear.

I think these movies show how technology has advanced so far that the aliens no longer think for themselves and forget basic things like closing the airlock behind them and invadign a salt water planet is bad for you if you are an intelligent space snail.

I still intend to see the movie.

captainchet
06-30-2005, 06:36 PM
@Big Jay: Sometimes in movies not everything has to be logical. It's like that in the real world a lot too...
When/if you see the movie you'll probably enjoy a lot more if you arent hyper-critical of every plot detail.

Ezekiel19
06-30-2005, 06:45 PM
I loved this movie for the following reasons:

1. Musical Score
2. FX sound(TriPods movement)
3. Mahem and Bedlam feeling
4. It got good real fast.
5. Tons of frightfull moments


ILM did a great job making this movie. Great Job

-Loved some of the Alien concepts


I loved the Anti-Bush/Iraq War message, as well but how
a occupying force cannot be successfull. Good quote

Over-All a exciting movie

It had some loop holes, but what alien movie doesn't.

Enjoy the movie and take it for what it is
Good entertainment,

TheIvIaxx
06-30-2005, 07:06 PM
Yeah I thought the invasion was pretty pathetic too Rich, considering it was that long in the making. You'd think they'd just develop something that wipes out all earth in one hit. Also you'd think they would've done it at least 100 years ago when our weapons technology was a little less advanced.

Also, did anyone think that the sounds the tripods make were a little like that sound in LORs?

my question is, why wai till humans were here. why not just stake claim when they put the tripods in the ground in the first place?

i did think it was entertaining, though i could rip the plot apart for days. it was suspenseful and i loved the sound the tripods made. also, the one thing that really impressed me was that the aliens were actually functional. in comparison, the aliens from battlefield earth were slow and not very agile so it wasn't believable that they could do all of that.

it was entertaining.

AJE
06-30-2005, 07:18 PM
A father and two children going through personal issues, fight to stay alive against an alien attack. They hide out in the cellar, have a close call, but manage to survive. The advanced race of aliens is eventually done in by thier own poor judgement and lack of preparations.

'War of the Worlds' is 'Signs'... done with a bigger VFX budget.

Boone
06-30-2005, 07:36 PM
This is a straight remake of the 1950's movie masterpiece, and Steven Spielburg has certainly brought it to the screen with a bang.

The Alien attacks are very distressing( personally I think this should have been a 15cert atleast - it will most likely give young children nightmares ), Cruise & Co give it a good effort( apart from Dakota Fanning - I sometimes wonder if the Aliens had come to Earth to rid us of her constant screaching! ) and the whole thing is simply an experiance you won't forget in a hurry...

As for the ending its short, but welcome and unlike most crap movies these days - it has a message we could all learn from.

If you're a bit sensitive to seeing cruelty, genecide, and down-right evilness I advise you to steer clear of this...

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :twisted:

SVMaerospace
06-30-2005, 09:57 PM
I sometimes wish people wouldn't come to a theatre with crossed arms and scowls on their faces waiting to be impressed when seeing a film like this. People need to get over themselves, seriously. It makes me wonder what the hell they were doing in the theatre to begin with, and also, how do they find thrills in film? What sort of movie can they just kick back to and be entertained by without taking it apart?

I don't know, I love seeing a massive creative undertaking like War of the Worlds come to fruition, seeing the imaginations of a visionary director and his creative team, along with months and months of hard work, come to the screen, so that I can be swept away and go home with my head filled with visions of tripods and heat rays.

This was a great movie. It wasn't Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind or Amelie or whatever, it was a Spielberg action epic. Take it for what it is.

Fritz3D
06-30-2005, 10:52 PM
It was entertaining but not as much as expected.

JARhead
06-30-2005, 11:10 PM
Saw the movie yesterday, and I must say best film Ive seen all year, beat Bat Man majorly!

!!!Spoliers - Couple of scenes that I just thought was amazing - Spoilers!!!

- When the first Tripod you see in the film rises into the air and just hangs there in mid air, aginst the sun. Vary sweet

- After the first lighting storm stops, when Tom Cruz is in the house with his doughter under the table, theres compleat silance. Then the dogs start barking, thought that was a nice touch.

- Absolutly loved the scene were they make it to the other side of the river and start running into the trees, while the clothes are falling.

- When the 3 are inside the restront sitting down after their car was taken. Threw the window you can see the man who took Toms gun, he then starts shooting the man who oringinaly took Toms mini van. Vary sureal IMO.

- Loved it when the aliens were passing around the picture.

- Loved the scene were they were in the Moms basment, and the bush starts moving. The whole scene was cool.

- The birds trying to attack the tripod. I thought intially the birds were killing the aliens, and I thought "Cool?"

Ill stop here befor I shout out all the scenes. The movie was absolutly breath taking, no dull points, good acting, good effects, and simple, BUT good story. I like the fact it wasnt really about the aliens, but more about Tom and his family. Well it was about the aliens, but more about the fimily, if you follow.


Things I didnt like about the movie

- I wish Robbie died, make a happy but not so happy ending. But what can you do about it, I can live with him living. I suppose ...

- The movie took place withen was I think was 2-3 days.


None of the above actually bothers me. Just something things I found, but I dont like to nick-pick to much. First time in a long time I actually felt satisfyed with me spending 50 dollors in the theaters (Drink + Ticket):D

JARhead
06-30-2005, 11:22 PM
Spoiler!

Actually now that I think more about the movie I found one big flaw, the van was in tact after a huge passenger took out the whole nighborhood. But once agian I can let that go.

Brumfield
07-01-2005, 12:24 AM
you mean the news van? was it ever esablished that the van was there when the plane crashed? they could have simply driven there after the fact.

Brumfield
07-01-2005, 12:27 AM
I sometimes wish people wouldn't come to a theatre with crossed arms and scowls on their faces waiting to be impressed when seeing a film like this. People need to get over themselves, seriously. It makes me wonder what the hell they were doing in the theatre to begin with, and also, how do they find thrills in film? What sort of movie can they just kick back to and be entertained by without taking it apart?

I don't know, I love seeing a massive creative undertaking like War of the Worlds come to fruition, seeing the imaginations of a visionary director and his creative team, along with months and months of hard work, come to the screen, so that I can be swept away and go home with my head filled with visions of tripods and heat rays.

This was a great movie. It wasn't Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind or Amelie or whatever, it was a Spielberg action epic. Take it for what it is.


quoted for complete agreement.

ashrumm
07-01-2005, 12:34 AM
Just finished viewing the film with Darktwin and all I can say is that this is easily the movie of the summer and it might very well easily be the movie of the year. Great film, Probably the greatest sci fi drama thus far. This film was an emotional rollercoaster thanks to the acting and the immense amount of chaos. Spielberg conveyed helplessness and confusion. I believed he was very successful in achieving his goal. This is what the movie Independence Day should have been like. Bravo Speilberg and Cruise bravo!:bowdown:


Originally posted by Jarhead
Actually now that I think more about the movie I found one big flaw, the van was in tact after a huge passenger took out the whole nighborhood. But once agian I can let that go. __________________

Umm the van pulled up after the plane crash.............ummmmm.........yeah.......got it........good......just making sure we're on the same page

Darktwin
07-01-2005, 12:35 AM
Just got back from the show and one thing I will say is this film is easily the movie of the summer. Such an emotional ride, One of the best Sci fi films ever if you purely call it that. I really loved how speilberg focused on the human perspective of survival on a practical level. How man becomes selfish in critical life and death situations. The van scene, the scene where Tom has to kill the crazy guy to protect his interest (his daughter) by closing the door, very powerful. This is one of the first films in a long time I felt helpless as the invaders desimated mankind. As for the vfx, great aliens concepts, I really enjoyed the scene when you see them up close and personal, awesome job on the alien crafts also.

This film is a must see for anyone who enjoys sci-fi, drama or both. I'm definitly going to see it a second time. Speilberg and Cruise do it again. :bowdown:

Vincent Walhem
07-01-2005, 12:39 AM
I don´t like at all the childrens acting. I find the dialogues and how they are, very stupid, but the best of this movie comes when everybody´s silent or screaming, this movie have a very BAD script, again, but some of the best sequences I´ve ever seen, and yes, the sound, whoa, whooooooooa.
Not only the aliens machines sound, just the overal sound. Whoa.

¿Bridges blow away? No problem BRAAAAAAAAMMMMMMM and so on :thumbsup: :thumbsup: In some moments I felt like I´m seeing a nightmare, really disturbing. Good work for that Mr. Director.

MK2
07-01-2005, 12:48 AM
i realy love all these exploding things... the bridge at the beginning was GREAT!

I also loved the look of these Aliens... they are so cute. Like in GalaxyQuest, cute little Aliens that are pure agressors. Nice Idea!

Too bad they did not explain that red stuff and why they need the blood for it.
I also did not understand exactly why these Aliens attacked Earth. There must be millions Class-M planets in the Universe....

The first time i saw one of these tripods walking i had that vision of an A-Wing flying around the legs and bringing it down. :)

Overall i really enjoyed that movie and since a long time it was worth the money.
I hope they put a big Making of SFX on the DVD!

JARhead
07-01-2005, 01:18 AM
Umm the van pulled up after the plane crash.............ummmmm.........yeah.......got it........good......just making sure we're on the same page

I know the news van drove up to the house, since you actually saw it drive up. The van that the faimly took too the house, and left the house in. Im not that blind ... Give me a bloody brake here people! :D

chrisrw
07-01-2005, 01:21 AM
"Too bad they did not explain that red stuff and why they need the blood for it."


The red stuff was the blood and plants they were using for terraforming. They were using the blood as fertilizer. It was explained in the movie.

thethule
07-01-2005, 01:46 AM
BEST......SOUND.......DESIGN......EVER!!


WOW!

The audio alone had me shaking in my seat. Very scary film. Great acting from tom and dakota.

Sesshimaru
07-01-2005, 02:36 AM
BEST......SOUND.......DESIGN......EVER!!


WOW!

The audio alone had me shaking in my seat. Very scary film. Great acting from tom and dakota.

I haven't seen the movie...YET!! But from what i'm hearing...IT'S GREAT!!

SheepFactory
07-01-2005, 05:37 AM
For gods sake i dont get why people compare this to signs.

"Aliens should have known about the bacteria" why? do you think they have the technology to scan every living thing on earth , not to mention bacteria evolves every 10 years or so and not to mention its a movie not a science documentary.

"why didnt anyone know about the huge tripods and how did they hide it?" I dont care , it looked super cool coming out of the ground , it wouldnt have the same impact if they came down from the mothership or flew down.

"Why did the aliens leave the ship?" to take a shit , the tripods toilet was clogged

in short its a fantasy movie , dont expect it to make sense %100 on all accounts. To my knowledge no alien race invaded earth yet so we dont have a reference point to compare it to and say "no , thats not totally accurate on how aliens will invade the earth"

yay again for ilm by the way , watched it for the second time today to catch up on the vfx i missed the first viewing , and its simply flawless.

leigh
07-01-2005, 05:44 AM
For gods sake i dont get why people compare this to signs.

"Aliens should have known about the bacteria" why? do you think they have the technology to scan every living thing on earth , not to mention bacteria evolves every 10 years or so and not to mention its a movie not a science documentary.

"why didnt anyone know about the huge tripods and how did they hide it?" I dont care , it looked super cool coming out of the ground , it wouldnt have the same impact if they came down from the mothership or flew down.

"Why did the aliens leave the ship?" to take a shit , the tripods toilet was clogged

in short its a fantasy movie , dont expect it to make sense %100 on all accounts. To my knowledge no alien race invaded earth yet so we dont have a reference point to compare it to and say "no , thats not totally accurate on how aliens will invade the earth"

yay again for ilm by the way , watched it for the second time today to catch up on the vfx i missed the first viewing , and its simply flawless.

LOL Great post Ali :thumbsup:

JMcWilliams
07-01-2005, 05:50 AM
"Aliens should have known about the bacteria" why? do you think they have the technology to scan every living thing on earth , not to mention bacteria evolves every 10 years or so and not to mention its a movie not a science documentary.

Well, I agree with you about letting realism go. But since we are discussing it... :D
Why should they have known? because it's basic biology.... they seemed to know enough about the whole subject to try and change the habitat of earth to suit them. Everyone should just remember that this is based on quite an old book, so I would try not to let this ruin your enjoyment. ;)


in short its a fantasy movie , dont expect it to make sense %100 on all accounts. To my knowledge no alien race invaded earth yet so we dont have a reference point to compare it to and say "no , thats not totally accurate on how aliens will invade the earth"


And they never will either. No alien would ever have any viable 'resource' reason for invading another inhabited planet. There are plenty more 'unclaimed' spots to set up an interstellar campsite without the nasty biological contaminatation of the natives.
I'm looking forward to letting go of reason and logic and watching a great movie! :D



yay again for ilm by the way , watched it for the second time today to catch up on the vfx i missed the first viewing , and its simply flawless.

You are all getting me excited now.

Dirtystimpy
07-01-2005, 07:06 AM
nice post sheep!


glad to finally have seen it and it rocked!! I remember seeing early concept work/ideas, and was like, how the hell are they going to pull that off!

kudos to my pre-viz buddies who worked on it. helluva great movie!

Eddie_rossi
07-01-2005, 07:31 AM
I enjoyed it when tom cruise pulled his pin out stuck it up in that things butt hole, then exploded.. it then got limp and fell down.

RocketBoy
07-01-2005, 07:44 AM
"Too bad they did not explain that red stuff and why they need the blood for it."


They were using the blood as fertilizer. It was explained in the movie.

Not exactly; one character who is established to be insane yells, "They ain't gonna use me for fertilizer!" or some such. That hardly explains how the aliens came up with the idea or why they would ever think it would actually work. It struck me as kind of funny. But who knows, maybe it rains human blood on the planet from whence they came.

Personally I am willing to put all of the flaws aside, of which i can think of quite a few, and enjoy it for what it was. On my personal scale I would give it a 3 out of 4. or maybe slightly less. It's been a while since a Spielberg movie has really done it for me, but I go back hoping each time.

DuttyFoot
07-01-2005, 08:50 AM
i thought the giant tripods were cool, it reminded me of the giant tripod robots in half life 2. Ray's daughter was getting annoying with her whining. it reminded me of jurrasic park when that girl kept screaming...man that ticked me off...lol. the visual fx in the movie and sound were great.

However i didnt enjoy the movie. i almost walked out more than once but decided to sit it through. at one point it started to feel like all those other dooms day movies i have seen where something catastrophic is occuring which causes everyone to run around like chickens with there heads cut off.

it didnt give me that feeling that you get when you see an amazing movie that just blows your socks off, and makes you walk out the theater telling yourself, man that moview was amazing.
i had high hopes when i decided to go see this film

Chris Bacon
07-01-2005, 11:10 AM
''Why didnt the aliens know about bacteria''


well in the book the aliens had long since destroyed all the desises on there world.....for millenia they were desese free.....so when they went to earth they didnt think to check....this also ment they didnt have an imune system haveing no need for one on there world.....


Im going to see it in 5hrs....MAN IM LOOKING FORWARD TO IT

Seven
07-01-2005, 01:30 PM
Heres my 'review' im not very good at writing reviews.. its more of a rant than a review but I needed to get it all out no paper.

HUGE SPOILERS.......!

HUGE SPOILERS.......!

HUGE SPOILERS.......!

But anyone whos reading this thread and not seen the film.. shame on you.

I was really hoping War of the Worlds would be good. If anyone could do WotW justice it was Steven Spielberg.

I had many discussions with my brother about this film before we went to see it. He was sure it was going to be poor and he wasn't going to like it purely because from what he had scene in trailers and previews; it wasn't what he wanted a WotW film to be. It wasn't going to do the story justice. I on the other hand wasn't going to judge the film before id seen it. I was going to judge the film as a film rather than the title. The film might not have been a faithful WotW adaptation, but it could still be a good film in its own right.

However, it turned out not only to be a poor WotW adaptation but sadly a poor film as well.

Things I didn't like:

The film had many problems. The tripods under ground waiting for the pilots to arrive are a prime example. On the surface I liked this idea and I believe if it was set back in the Victorian period this would have worked. But today humans would have discovered these things, especially if one of these monsters was buried slap bang in the middle of a large US city, or under water. Human technology would have found these things.

The red weed, ok so they came up with another reason for this stuff but why? What was its purpose? It was just there because it was an iconic image from the original.

Where did the aliens come from? If you are going to change the original story and not make them come from mars. And you are going to hammer home the fact these things have been here for millions of years you NEED to give a pay off to the audience and tell them where the aliens come from. And they didn't. It was like the people who made this film had no idea. Because today we know Mars has no life on it, how do they come from a lifeless planet? They copped out. It would have been really interesting to see them try to explain how they are from Mars.

Rays character. I thought he was great expect for when he did his heroic moment and take down a tripod. I loved the tripods… omg did I love the tripods. In the book the tripods where totally invulnerable to our weapons, there was nothing man could do about it. Yes it was back in the Victorian era but that should be translated to our era as well. There should have been NOTHING we could do to stop the aliens. But ohhh no, Spielberg had to have his Hollywood moment. The tripods should have been totally indescribable to us… period!

The sequence where the tripod picks up Ray and his daughter. The tripod would have killed them on site and not stop to look closer. If these humans were for some reason awkward to pick up, then the tripod would have killed them and went looking for other humans. There are plenty to go around. They would not be interested in the small squabbling of 2 humans. That goes for the basement sequence with Tim Robbins as well. No way would the aliens spend so long searching for people here, and go as far as sending in 3 aliens to look around as well. They have a planet to take over, 1 tiny basement isn't going to draw there interest.

The ending! AARRGGHHHH the son should have died. The film needed someone to die in the end. It was just totally crap he survived. Also, why oh why was Boston left untouched? Tripods where everywhere killing but Boston was left. I accept that Rachel needed to see her mother again at the end… but the city should have been in ruins and the family in a shelter of some kind. Not ready to have tea when they arrive.

Also the opening and closing speech. These seemed totally separate to the entire film. ecause the film is basically a new film with the wotw title, these book quotes just don't go with the rest of the film.

The alien design was poooooorrrr, as my brother said in the car on the way home, someone needs to tell Hollywood that aliens don't look like there vehicles. I mean can you see humans in hundreds of years driving around in human shapes vehicles. Erm no! Aliens are aliens... they should be designed for another environment and not be comfortable moving around in our environment. If that causes problems and doesn't allow a good moment in the film to see them then FOR GODS SAKE DON'T SEE THEM! The film would have worked a million times better if we didn't see the aliens. Ok I'm going to go back on that. Id lov to have seen a sequence of the aliens constructing there tripods with humanity looking on waiting for there own destruction.

The underground section went on far too long. I did like Tim Robbins character (loved the fact he was digging a tunnel) but the hide and seek from the alien tentacle went on far too long.

Terrorists. If this film happened right now, yes people would suggest that the attackers where terrorist but come on, you don't need to hammer that home as much as the film did. Rachel asked twice if the attackers were terrorist. And the huge neatly constructed posters asking for have you seen this dead person. Maybe in about a week people might be searching for lost people and making signs but NOT 1 day after the attackers had started killing everything. Everyone would still be running for there lives. The film was set over 3 days... this is farrrr to early for something like this to happen.

The Van/Reporter women near the plan crash. This to me just seemed like the writers telling the audience exactly what they needed to hear. Its like if you missed the first 30 minutes of the film, this is what's happened for a catch up.

Things I liked:

The sound… OH MY GOD that sound was amazing! Best sound ever! The sound the tripods made was well, yes I liked it. Id lov to know what they used to make that sound, bring on a making off.

The tripods themselves. I thought they where utterly fantastic! Gratz to ILM, they did an amazing job. I cant get over how much I loved the tripods! The cinematography was also top top notch! Spielberg might have made an average story film, but for special effects and set piece he's still the master. The shot with the ferry in the foreground and the tripod coming over the hill booming its roar... Amazing! Stunning! In fact every single time you see a tripod its fantastic. The first time, the unveil just keeps going and going and going, until we see it start to kill everything… Fantastic! That's some of the best cinema I've seen in a long time. It might not work as part of the WotW story as it comes up from underground rather than a crater, but as a cinema sequence its unforgettable. This film really has moments! But those moments mean nothing if the rest isn't very good.

Unlike a lot of people I personally liked the heat ray the tripods had... just had to put this in, loved it.

The acting in this film was very good. Tom Cruise was great as a bit of an arse. It was nice to see him acting a roll that he isn't the nice guy or the total villain. He did a great job. I think his best moment was at home just after seeing the first tripod, the look of total horror on his face. Dokota Fanning on the other hand was utterly fantastic. She should get a supporting actress Oscar for this film, she was marvellous. There's no point in pointing out specifics, it was
all really great. :)

Overall the film was average. It has in my opinion the best special effects and sound in any film for a long time. But that doesn't make a film, not by a long shot. The film is not WotW! Its just another alien invasion film which happens to have some of the best scenes and set pieces, but id expect nothing less from Mr Spielberg. A good WotW film would have been amazing, mars, overconfident Victorians, the weed, the threat of a return, aliens killing everything and nothing can stop them. If Spielberg had left mars in, left if in the Victorian era then he could have changed bits and let his imagination loose. This could have been his best film to date, but sadly this is no Jurassic Park or Saving Private Ryan. I hope in the future someone makes a proper WotW film and does the story justice.

There :) sorry its long.

Slurry
07-01-2005, 02:49 PM
Amazing FX. Whoever worked on them did an outstanding job. Hats off to you all.

Cruise was actually ok for a change. It wasn't his typical wink, wink, look into the camera with a grin (hey, did you know I'm Tom Cruise) type movie.

Spielburg (I can't believe I'm say this about my idol) dropped the ball on this movie. It drags in the middle when Tim Robbins character comes into the story.
The story just stalls.
Then wrap it up with a narrator that explains away the fall of these aliens in 30 seconds because the writers/director couldn't come up with an interesting way to resolve the film.

First half was great but it just didn't go anywhere. It had it's moments but the movie as a whole came in well below it's potential.
If you just want a popcorn flick though, it's worth it. Just don't expect a milestone movie in Spielburgs career.

Art

eraser851
07-01-2005, 03:09 PM
i thought the giant tripods were cool, it reminded me of the giant tripod robots in half life 2.



Thats EXACTLY what I thought when I saw the tripods.




Now, after seeing this movie, I pretty much decided right there that I want to go into Visual Effects. I've been pondering it for quite sometime now. But that movie...wow....was amazing with the effects.


Now, I want to know, what program(s) are used to make special effects like that?

LEEBLEEB
07-01-2005, 03:09 PM
The film was stupid and I wanted toms children to die in the first minute they arrived. The effects were good and tom was alright in it tho.

Seven
07-01-2005, 03:23 PM
I want to have a go at modeling the tripods from wotw (if I find the time :) ), has anyone got a picture of them ? Ive been looking everywhere I can think of.. nothing.

There was a piece of concept art released months ago on AICN with there design. Cant find it now :(

eraser851
07-01-2005, 03:24 PM
<POSSIBLE SPOILER>

How was the Van undamaged from the plane crash?

</POSSIBLE SPOILER>

JARhead
07-01-2005, 03:43 PM
Eraser851, Im wondering the same thing, and we arnt talking about the news van people! The familys van!

Matty2Phatty
07-01-2005, 03:53 PM
Now, after seeing this movie, I pretty much decided right there that I want to go into Visual Effects.

It's the Spielberg touch i tell ya! Jurassic Park is what made me want to get into visual effects.

BigJay
07-01-2005, 04:54 PM
For those of you complaining about how whiny fanning was... That kid was pretty tame as far as a kid her age is. My daughter would of been screaming and crying the whole time non stop, but for a movie it would of drove everyone screaming from the theatre, well, unless you're a parent.



********SPOLIERS**************
I thought the movie was pretty good. I knew the aliens would buy it in the end from germs so I was expecting it to end with a wimper. It ended pretty abruptly with no hint that the striders would get sick. The whole movie felt like a epic scale horror movie.

The

There is only one thing that really bothered me. We never got to look over the hill or see any of the battles. I understand it from a story perspective but I still wanted to see a little of it. I felt like that kid..."I got to see this". BUT by not seeing any of it the movie became scarier since you never knew when they would show up or what was going to happen next.

The FX where pretty amazing. The fire on the train looked like decals stuck to the side but that is a minor nitpik. The tripod where amazing and the death ray was pretty amazing. I assumed that the death ray was a kind of microwave so the water filled humans disappeared in a puff of steam and dust while the clothing was not really affected. in any case a cool effect.

@Seven: the movie is told from the POV of Ray and family so there would never be an explanation of where they came from, what exactly killed them or what their motives where. We only have the mad ramblings of Tim at them even being here for a million years. Really there are NO anwsers to who they are or why they did it or really HOW they got the ships there. They could of materialized in the ground like Terminator poping in from the future and they dropped pilots in after the fact, they may have been growing down there, nano thingies may of made them out fo the dirt. Since the story is about the family we'll never know what it was all about. Which is fine buy me. One of the things I loved about Alien was that we just didn't know why a ship with an egg chamber under it was there.

Oh and obviously the Aliens didn't think Boston was much of a threat so they didn't bother to invade it. jk. :) From what we see they didn't hit every building and city. They made their noise (a hunting horn?) to drive people and they pick or shoot as they went.


@all: LOL the plane took out the entire block Except for the Van it landed on top of.

How the son survived made no sense. they started planting and fertilizing right there so his son should of been on the top of the pile and it would of been more powerful for me if they found his jacket or body out there among all the blood and had a family moment.

As for the aliens wandering around in the house. I assumed that since they controled the area they felt safe enough to go in and look around since they had a lunch break or the boss was away.

Overall alot of fun and I will pick it up on DVD when it comes out.

JMcWilliams
07-01-2005, 05:11 PM
I mean can you see humans in hundreds of years driving around in human shapes vehicles. Erm no!

Mechs can look pretty human shaped. :P :D

chrisrw
07-01-2005, 05:14 PM
Seven - "Where did the aliens come from? If you are going to change the original story and not make them come from mars. And you are going to hammer home the fact these things have been here for millions of years you NEED to give a pay off to the audience and tell them where the aliens come from. And they didn't. It was like the people who made this film had no idea. Because today we know Mars has no life on it, how do they come from a lifeless planet? They copped out. It would have been really interesting to see them try to explain how they are from Mars."

"The Van/Reporter women near the plan crash. This to me just seemed like the writers telling the audience exactly what they needed to hear. Its like if you missed the first 30 minutes of the film, this is what's happened for a catch up."




In the first quote, you say you'd like someone to pop up in the movie and say where they came from. Such as who? A random scientist they run into who would look at the tripods and say 'wow, those look like Vegan tripods!' In the second quote, you criticize the choice to have someone explain whats happening on the planet/information about the aliens. Seems like a bit of a contradiction. I think the point of the movie was to be from the point of view of the 'common man'. I doubt the general population would know ANYTHING about the aliens just 3 days into an invasion, if ever.

But, I believe, in the introduction, they show Mars 'watching earth with envious eyes.'

As for the red weed, as its been stated before, it was being used to terraform the planet.

Matty2Phatty
07-01-2005, 05:22 PM
"The Van/Reporter women near the plan crash. This to me just seemed like the writers telling the audience exactly what they needed to hear. Its like if you missed the first 30 minutes of the film, this is what's happened for a catch up."

"As soon as television became the only secondary way in which films were watched, films had to adhere to a pretty linear system, whereby you can drift off for ten minutes and go and answer the phone and not really lose your place" - Christopher Nolan

RO
07-01-2005, 05:41 PM
I think the alien getting sick thing is a joke on our own humanity... that we have screwed with our planet and selves so much with many forms of anti bacteria and such that even the aliens can not stand it. It is just a general serious joke of the human condition and how humans are so destructive in many ways. Plus when the book was made things like the flu could really kill a person. Now it is pretty much treatable and will most likely not result in death if treated.

I have not seen it yet but I think that is what the book went for...

markyjerky
07-01-2005, 05:48 PM
Ummm ...

With regards to the aliens getting sick being a comment on the contemporary human condition ... I think not so much. Remember ... this War of the Worlds story is pretty darn old. Many generations of humans old. Older than a lot of the most disgusting "throw-away" society ills.

So I don't think so.

In fact ... I'd be fairly sure that the genesis of that angle of the aliens being susceptible to tiny organisms is just a true-ism about any high-level organism ... they can't easily control what's going on at the microbe or bacterialogical scale of things. Think very early 1900's or late 1800's or something.

Seven
07-01-2005, 05:50 PM
I want some explanation for where the aliens came from, but not expedition which is exactly what the reporter scene is. The van scene is lazy and convenient. Its got nothing to do with the story, its playing to the dumb person in the cinema who cant follow the story.

If you are going to put mars into the film, you just don’t slink it into the opening as a brief glimpse.. as a possible. you put it in as a definite, you play it for all its worth. It is possible to do both this and the story from a personal point of view. Also!, Spielberg has said the aliens are not from mars!

That Chris Nolan quote is terrible... You don’t go to see WotW to drift off and not pay attention. If you want to see something like that, go watch Welcome to the Jungle or something else. You shouldn’t have to put exposition (edited thanks to SVMaerospace) into a story every 10 minutes just to allow people to catch up with the story.

The point of the red weed is that when people looked at mars they wanted to know how it was red. The red weed made it red, so when the martians from MARS came down in the original, they start to transform our planet using the red weed. Now because the aliens in this film are NOT from Mars, the red weed is there just to sell the idea that this film is War of the Worlds when its not! the red weed is pointless.

eraser851
07-01-2005, 06:03 PM
Here's something i'd like to point out

Towards the beginning when the first tripod came out of the ground, there was a dude video taping it.
how can he be video taping if every electrical device was disabled?

Alice
07-01-2005, 06:07 PM
Is it just me who thinks that 14 dollars is too much for a movieticket btw?

edit: and Tim Robbins made a pretty reasonable comment about the aliens deaths. He said in an interwiev that it was a metafor abot occupation and how you can occupy but not always live where you occupy. (and ofcause the whole evolution thing about organisms developing to fit their inviroment and how this wasnt "their" inviroment)

doobywho
07-01-2005, 06:27 PM
Here's something i'd like to point out

Towards the beginning when the first tripod came out of the ground, there was a dude video taping it.
how can he be video taping if every electrical device was disabled?

My fiance was asking me that exact question. Same w/ the van.

doobywho
07-01-2005, 06:27 PM
Is it just me who thinks that 14 dollars is too much for a movieticket btw?

edit: and Tim Robbins made a pretty reasonable comment about the aliens deaths. He said in an interwiev that it was a metafor abot occupation and how you can occupy but not always live where you occupy. (and ofcause the whole evolution thing about organisms developing to fit their inviroment and how this wasnt "their" inviroment)

Yes.

Ours are $6.50

r3mix
07-01-2005, 06:44 PM
I actually really enjoyed the movie. The video camera working was a little screwy, but other than that it was mostly enjoyable for me. I sorta wish it was a longer movie... maybe providing more background on the aliens.

The tripods were ownage. Made me want to play half life 2 again.

chadtheartist
07-01-2005, 07:12 PM
I liked how the movie ended. It left the story kind of open, so we could draw our own conclusions.

One theory I'd have as to the way the movie ended. What if this was just the first wave of the Aliens attack? What if they knew of the diseases, and sent the early run of aliens to "eradicate" the diseases. Maybe they planned to do so with humans, thus the red plants growing everywhere.

Hopefully there won't be a part two...

hypercube
07-01-2005, 07:29 PM
Re: the video camera working..they mention that the storms set off an EMP, which should only disable electrical devices that are operating at the time..if something is completely off and no power is running through it, it would be ok. So if they ran to get their camera after the storm, shrug.

Yeah, the van surviving the plane crash was a ridiculous amount of luck, but it seems they had a ridiculous amount of luck to get through any of the things they got through, they're the protagonists, it's what a lot of movies operate on for their entire length, luck and the main characters' Sport Goofy-like ability to escape death by milliseconds. I can totally live with that.

I did think the weed in the modern version didn't really serve a purpose or make any sense except to be creepy, and have the creepy method of fertilizing them. A lot of things were just there to heighten the creep factor, and did so pretty well I thought.

Anyway, as said in good posts by Sheep and others, you can make the whole thing fall apart if you start nitpicking, there's definitely no reason for an alien invasion to be done this way, etc. etc. I was fine with all that and enjoyed the ride. I'd go see it again just for that first Tripod scene, the completely seamless VFX and sound design.

P.S. As I've mentioned in other discussions about alien invasions, I'd still like to see an adaptation of something like Niven&Pournelle's "Footfall", it was really well thought out and even more daunting, though the way we fight back is still a little ridiculous, I thought it worked.

SVMaerospace
07-01-2005, 07:44 PM
You shouldn’t have to put expedition into a story every 10 minutes just to allow people to catch up with the story.
I believe you mean exposition.

And, sadly, yes you do. I'm a film student myself and I've discovered that no matter how obvious certain things are to you as a film maker, there are a lot of gaping jawed people out there who turn off their brains when they sit down at the theatre. I mean, we've got a fairly intelligent bunch here at CGTalk and I was surprised to find that some people weren't able to follow things that seemed obvious to me (not trying to insult anyone, just making a point).

I remember making a short film that seemed really clear cut to me. Of the people I showed it to, about 10% understood it and absolutely loved it. Everyone else got lost and didn't like it at all. Hard lesson to learn.

Spielberg was trying to find a balance: an action sci fi film that was subtle and avoided overt stereotypes, but still had expository elements to satisfy the less perceptive audience members.

On a seperate note, I started working on a digital painting of my own rendition of the tripods which I will post sometime next week most likely, I decided to set it in line with the book, in 1898.

hypercube
07-01-2005, 07:54 PM
Oh and as far as the news van being needless exposition to 'catch everyone up', it wasn't that at all, it was exposition to both tell you what was going on in the rest of the world, and to drive home the point that the aliens were actually in the tripods piloting them..without the 'riding the beam' information, everyone would be asking why the aliens were buried in the ground, or how they got into the tripods, etc. they needed some way to tell you that.

It was a little overly convenient, but I liked the method of keeping your POV with the family rather than the omniscient view or following 50 people and plotlines like in any other global disaster movie. It made it feel tighter and more like you were living it, IMO.

leigh
07-01-2005, 08:06 PM
Oh and as far as the news van being needless exposition to 'catch everyone up', it wasn't that at all, it was exposition to both tell you what was going on in the rest of the world, and to drive home the point that the aliens were actually in the tripods piloting them..without the 'riding the beam' information, everyone would be asking why the aliens were buried in the ground, or how they got into the tripods, etc. they needed some way to tell you that.

It was a little overly convenient, but I liked the method of keeping your POV with the family rather than the omniscient view or following 50 people and plotlines like in any other global disaster movie. It made it feel tighter and more like you were living it, IMO.

I was going to say the same stuff but you beat me to it :)

RocketBoy
07-01-2005, 11:09 PM
Oh and as far as the news van being needless exposition to 'catch everyone up', it wasn't that at all, it was exposition to both tell you what was going on in the rest of the world, and to drive home the point that the aliens were actually in the tripods piloting them..without the 'riding the beam' information, everyone would be asking why the aliens were buried in the ground, or how they got into the tripods, etc. they needed some way to tell you that.

Except that they don't feel the need to explain anything else "logically" about the alien invasion, so why that? Especially when it raises more questions than it answers.

And as for the question earlier in this thread about why the aliens went into the basement; that's an easy one. They did it because Mr. Spielberg thought to himself, "Hey, everybody liked that scene in Jurassic Park where the raptors stalk through the kitchen. Let's do that one again."

SovereignKnight
07-01-2005, 11:44 PM
Forget about aliens not knowing about basic biology and other various plotholes and focus on the one real issue:

Anyone else think it's plausable that Tom Cruise could take out Tim Robbins, who is twice his size AND armed with a shovel?

Was this the first time these two have acted together since Top Gun? Tom has aged better in the last 20 years. :)

JeroenDStout
07-02-2005, 12:22 AM
What I think about the unanswered questions:

People are too used to answered questions. I mean, there'd a tripod coming out of earth. Why do we all assume this is illogical unless someone with a German accent gives his scientific answer to it? Those people in the street don't have a clue about what's going on, they see the same as you. If you asked them, they'd say "how can it be buried without us knowing?". I think this for a large part is a red line thought the film: you don't know. There's a lot of fighting, killing, deaths - but you only see what Ray sees. NOTHING else. A lot of people, even here, are way too used to showing helicopter shots of mass destruction, getting an explanation of everything and way too uncomfortable just realising that their logic could be wrong.

They could've buried the machines 10 miles deep. They could've never visited earth because they need some form of teleportation to reach it - the machines were too large to transport, so they just estimated when the population of Earth would be high enough to harvest it to make terraforming easier.
In my views, this is a race which does this to hundreds of planets: the machines probably were the product of Von Neumann machines: 'robots' that set out, mine asteroids and replicate, replicate, replicate. When they find a planet, they build a set of fighters and bury them miles underneath the surface (or even more!). Then when the time is right, they use powerful machinery to teleport themselves using that thunder to get into their tripods though the thick layer of earth. They dig their way up through the miles of crust, and use the incinerators to simply cause panic and disorder - no rebellion when you've got a trauma. Then they dug up their harvesters and otherwise, raised enough power to have shields and planted the red weed which is a fast-growing thing that'd kill everything on earth (but still make sure there'd be breathable air) - especially when fertilised with the human blood. Though they just got beating by a disease; logically enough, hundreds of human soldiers have died going to foreign countries, and that was just on our planet. The aliens came here without knowing what to expect (according to me).
The 'logical errors' (save for the van) IMO are results of either taking what people say in the movie too literally (ie. being a silly person who thinks movies can't have secrets and that someone who's projected on a screen knows everything and can tell you only facts), or thinking within the reality box way too much.

But, this is speculation. I know nothing but what I saw. I don't think anybody was true in an absolute way, which is why it's so cool to talk about what could have been going on.

RabidDonkey
07-02-2005, 03:07 AM
I think this is a VERY good movie. All the people saying it's closer to a horror movie than an action movie... well I don't know about the theatre you were in but the first 25% of the movie, while being great and edge of your seat type stuff also produced laughter.

When she goes to use the restroom and see's the first body float by most people in my theatre including me just kinda chuckled that she would see that. When hundreds started floating by we all kind of laughed abit. Why? I dunno there is nothing really terrifying about it, not happening to us however Dakota's character being the one to see this instead of either of the 2 men is kinda funny.

Overall a very good film I wouldnt mind seeing again. The ending I thought was actually pretty good however I disagree with the son still being alive. Just a bit of BS added on top.

Alice
07-02-2005, 03:37 AM
Forget about aliens not knowing about basic biology and other various plotholes and focus on the one real issue:

Anyone else think it's plausable that Tom Cruise could take out Tim Robbins, who is twice his size AND armed with a shovel?



Yeah, one thing we learned from High Fidelity is that the real functional way to take down Tim Robins is with an old fashion phone! :)

Matty2Phatty
07-02-2005, 04:58 AM
one thing we learned from High Fidelity is that the real functional way to take down Tim Robins is with an old fashion phone

That was a really good film, i thought.

I've just been reading peoples thoughts on War of the Worlds on a few other forums, and i gotta say, you guys are by far the most polite about your opinions. It seems everybody else has deteriorated into "Best film ever" and "worst film ever"... and then insults aplenty.
(IMDB seems to be the worst)

I guess i can understand how some people might not have liked it... but it seems to me that most people have a problem with it if they went into the theatre having already seen the movie in their head.

I went in expecting nothing and walked out feeling like i'd been on a great ride at a theme park.

eirenicon
07-02-2005, 05:45 AM
The Parrot - good explanation, except for one thing - the aliens were from Mars (never mentioned in the movie, although it's in the book - however, there is an opening shot where Mars is shown [the sunrise behind Earth]). For a race that can travel through space, Earth would be right next door.

I just don't really care, though. The movie was fun. 'Nuff said.

TheOnlyWoj
07-02-2005, 06:01 AM
I guess i can understand how some people might not have liked it... but it seems to me that most people have a problem with it if they went into the theatre having already seen the movie in their head.

Here's a question: why the heck were these more intelligent beings drinking water off the floor of a dirty basement?!

JohnD
07-02-2005, 06:06 AM
Great Great movie! It was really alot of fun watching this. I've always thought that the 1952 version has always been the granddaddy of all alien invasion movies (Sorry, but ID4 ain't got nothing on WOTW) and Spielberg put out a great version. The sense that the end of humanity has come, really shines through in this movie ( I never got that feeling from ID4 because there was too much comedy mixed in.) Now I must admit, I've never read the book, and to be quite honest, I don't have any desire to. I'm glad that Spielberg decided to make this movie set in our time and not Victorian because the present has more of a connection for me, not the past. And I'm really glad that the electric eye in the house scene was kept, because I've always thought that was one of the best parts of the '52 version. Again, great flic. I'm definitely going to see it again.

Matty2Phatty
07-02-2005, 06:06 AM
I know there are a bunch of plot holes, same with any movie... i didn't analyze the aliens drinking the water, i just saw them do it and accepted that they did it. If i were David Koepp i'd be asking questions like that while i'm writing, but i'm not David Koepp, so i accept the reality of the film.

It's the same with the camcorder... people see that scene and think "no way that camcorder can work" but i saw it and figured the EMP mustn't knock everything out. I just accepted the reality of the film.

KBOC
07-02-2005, 06:15 AM
( I never got that feeling from ID4 because there was too much comedy mixed in.) Now I must admit, I've never read the book, and to be quite honest, I don't have any desire to.

I did. It was as lame as the movie. :p :D

KBOC
07-02-2005, 06:16 AM
Yeah, one thing we learned from High Fidelity is that the real functional way to take down Tim Robins is with an old fashion phone! :)

LMAO! Now THAT was indeed a great film! (haven't seen WOTW yet)

JohnD
07-02-2005, 06:26 AM
I did. It was as lame as the movie. :p :D
Aren't we mature? ;)

KBOC
07-02-2005, 06:28 AM
I think the alien getting sick thing is a joke on our own humanity... that we have screwed with our planet and selves so much with many forms of anti bacteria and such that even the aliens can not stand it. It is just a general serious joke of the human condition and how humans are so destructive in many ways. Plus when the book was made things like the flu could really kill a person. Now it is pretty much treatable and will most likely not result in death if treated.

I have not seen it yet but I think that is what the book went for...

The Bird flu can kill you now...

BTW, you are talking about the HG Wells original (book) right?

War of the Worlds, by Herbert George Wells (http://www.online-literature.com/wellshg/warworlds/)

KBOC
07-02-2005, 06:30 AM
Aren't we mature? ;) That's my opinion, sure... I'm sorry, I thought it was completely lame and utterly forgettable. I read ID4 on a Greyhound Bus on my way to Dallas from San Francisco... I was bored and there was nothing else to do. I'm totally looking forward to seeing WOTW.

JohnD
07-02-2005, 06:36 AM
That's my opinion, sure... I'm sorry, I thought it was completely lame and utterly forgettable. I read ID4 on a Greyhound Bus on my way to Dallas from San Francisco... I was bored and there was nothing else to do. I'm totally looking forward to seeing WOTW.
Oops, my bad. I thought u meant that you read the original Well's WOTW book and found it and Spielberg's movie lame.

KBOC
07-02-2005, 06:38 AM
I'm not stupid enough to criticize Spielberg the artist... :p :p :p :p :D :D :D

Maybe when I get senile... and braver... :p

WOTW is not, IMHO, Well's best work. In my mind that would be War in the Air (http://www.online-literature.com/wellshg/warinair/). Published just prior to World War One. Read it and be completely amazed... it's like he had a crystal ball.

BY THE WAY, IF ANY OF YOU STUDIO GUYS ARE READING THIS, WAR IN THE AIR WOULD BE A FANTASTIC PROJECT!

otacon
07-02-2005, 06:48 AM
MAY CONTAIN SPOILER


I thought the movie was great, unfortunatelty except for the first 30 minutes i dont know if i want to see it again. Got a little repetitive through the middle. I thought the part where the aliens first started coming out was great, and it felt like you were there. But come on Speilberg, you've got to give us a better ending than that.....:shrug:

nitindesign
07-02-2005, 06:54 AM
Excellent movie! Finally a movie that lived up to it's hype this year. Really loved the tripods and all the VFX.
I found the aliens bit cheesy in comparison. Could have been more innovative with the actual Alien design.
Steven spielberg what an excellent story teller!

shy-guy
07-02-2005, 07:18 AM
Just get back from the cinema! wow, i reaaaally like the movie... i enjoy it very much,although i thought a lot of things that have been said here,like how tom cruise could beat tim robbins who had a shovel, how that guy could have a camcorder, how could the son survive,why the family at the end where all dressed up as if nothing had happened,etc. BTW,dont know if someone said this,but i found it very weird the characters that tom encounters before the ferry secuence, the woman and her daughter... we didnt have any time to even remenber their names when they "die" or whatever happens to them... saying all this could sound like i didnt liked... well, i loved it. I accept this little flaws, mostly for the way the movie depicts the situation, its very ugly and dark and raw, just the way an alien invasion would probably be, not as "exiciting" as the one in ID4 (which is a completely diferent kind of movie,with lots of flaws aswell,and i loved it too)

One scene that still is blowing my mind, strangely enough doesnt have to do with the tripods or the aliens, is the scene in the car where the camera make like two loops and then goes away and goes back to the car again, man i was like: oh my god!! how they do that!! and everyone was all normal and silent, i think someone should think i was crazy... anyway, another scene that still in my mind its when the bunch of crazy people its trying to get in tom´s car, and they brake the front window and a guy tries to "open" the hole in the glass with his bared hands, yikes! :eek:

BTW, the narrator is morgan freeman isnt he??

pkok
07-02-2005, 08:38 AM
Got back from watching the WOTW, here in Malaysia. The movie is great, loaded with cg work and i love certain scence ( spoiler ) where Tom has to choose between saving his son or his daughter... awsome! CG work fantastic, big kudos to ILM! I was totally immersed in the movie and i could really fell the dread and fear when i was in the cinema. Really amasing stuff from the vfx studio and totally blown away by it the first couple of minutes ....." the thunder will not hit the spot for second time" heh, tat's funny, right after i finish the movie, on my way home, the sky was all so cloudy( looking out from the window, and it IS having a few thunder and lighting here...)

There's always a BUT.....the ending. Just put it this way that i was really :sad: on the ending. Wander y it ends up this way, not that i don't understand what happen, just......a bit dissapointed.... Beside that, i really enjoy the movie, and will be catching it for the second time just for the first half of the movie. Amasing work on the cg! Totally tell the story!


kok
i've seen it, finally!

pkok
07-02-2005, 08:41 AM
yup, it's morgan freeman. He's the man!

kok

nitindesign
07-02-2005, 08:48 AM
The burning Humvees coming back down the hill was a class touch as well. Makes you realize how weak and fragile we really are!

I found the burning train part very chilling!
I wish it was 3 hours long :-)

pkok
07-02-2005, 08:54 AM
The burning Humvees coming back down the hill was a class touch as well. Makes you realize how weak and fragile we really are!

I found the burning train part very chilling!
I wish it was 3 hours long :-)

This movie just proved that we are stronger than those visitor for Mars, didn't it now? :shrug:

pkok
07-02-2005, 08:55 AM
The burning Humvees coming back down the hill was a class touch as well. Makes you realize how weak and fragile we really are!

I found the burning train part very chilling!
I wish it was 3 hours long :-)

This movie just proved that we are stronger than those visitor for Mars, didn't it now? We drink water, if it's dirty, couple of trips to the clinic, there we r, standing tall again.. :shrug:

Omita
07-02-2005, 09:12 AM
wow that was messed up... great film.

nitindesign
07-02-2005, 09:42 AM
pkok sure we are strong in movies ;-)

Btw I kept getting images of Nazi Germany and there treatment of Jews while watching the movie. Did anyone else feel that?

Solothores
07-02-2005, 10:27 AM
Wasn't the end of war of the worlds (book) some sort of allegory on how british colonialists in their discovery for new "worlds" nearly put natives to extinction due to infecting them with all kind of diseases which they never encountered before?

Zanmato
07-02-2005, 11:59 AM
Good movie, not outstanding by any means other than the sound and SFX. Can't wait for the DVD release now.
For me, the son should have died. It was abit of letdown when he reappears at the end. I wanted him to beat up a soldier for his weapon and go charging at one of the tripods. Didn't see Tim (the ex-wife's new man) at the end though so he must have died instead.
I did what to see the army fighting those things but this movie is one family's story taken from their viewpoint so I can live with that. Why didn't the army try and nuke them like in the 1953 version?
The deathrays were great but the streets must have been littered with shoes. Only saw the clothing.
The scene where Ray arrives back at his house after the appearance of the tripod was one of the best scenes of the movie. The visual ideas in the scene before that were influenced from 9/11 from what I've read in other reviews. People covered in dust, and a general mass panic.
The basement scenes were good also. I guess the aliens were on somekind of fag break and they discover the 'wheel' on the bicycle. Stick one of those on each leg and get the job done quicker.
I can't understand what those cages underneath the craft where there for. The scene were one of the tripods takes a guy down to the ground and then skewers him and harvests his blood explains the fertilzer bit. But what was that thing above the cage swallowing people? Are the Tripods some kind of living entity, it needs food for energy. Might explain also why the birds near the end where on the tripods. The aliens were sick and so was their craft. Kind of the same idea in ID4 with the computer virus.
Ray wanted to get closer to his kids so aliens decide to invade to help him out.

Worth seeing at the cinema anyway.

Cyborgguineapig
07-02-2005, 01:35 PM
The sequence where the tripod picks up Ray and his daughter. The tripod would have killed them on site and not stop to look closer. If these humans were for some reason awkward to pick up, then the tripod would have killed them and went looking for other humans. There are plenty to go around. They would not be interested in the small squabbling of 2 humans. That goes for the basement sequence with Tim Robbins as well. No way would the aliens spend so long searching for people here, and go as far as sending in 3 aliens to look around as well. They have a planet to take over, 1 tiny basement isn't going to draw there interest.



Have you ever as a kid took a water gun to an ant hill? I know I did a lot as a kid and I remember many a time where I would take a hose and wash away thousands of ants on the sidewalk. After getting bored 20 minutes later I would be mesmerized by the one single ant within a dime sized dry area that I didn't wet that had survived. It fascinates.

you have to remember in the context of the book/movie, the aliens really felt no threat at all from humans, they were simply indestructable..Ray is all alone in the field and throws a single grenade at the pod. which catches its attension. to the superior alien its more of an annoyance than a direct threat.

Plus its not like Ray and his daughter were special or anything to be selected for the hanging basket thingy. Remember in the river the pods were pulling people up like crazy/

Seven
07-02-2005, 01:44 PM
Its odd, even though ive said about all the story eliments I dont like. Ill still buy it on DVD just to be able to watch the tripod scenes over and over again, ever since I watched the film I cant get those moments out of my head. They where just so utterly amazing to watch and listen to.

Im dieing to see a making off!

doobywho
07-02-2005, 01:59 PM
It's amazing the various viewpoints people have on this movie. My fiance and I went to go see it opening night, LOVED IT, we were on the edge of our seat the entire time. Extremely intense. Last night we took her parents and my parents to go see it because they both wanted to see it. At the end of the movie her parents hated it and mine loved it. They said it was nothing compared to the original movie and that they shouldnt have remade it. Her mom kept covering her ears during the movie cause it was loud, lol. Her mom also said it was to violent... lol. Her dad just said it was a horrible movie.

Everyone of them thought that dakota (sp?) screamed to much. I kept trying to tell them thats exactly what a child would do in that situation, but it didnt get through to them. My fiance and I also noticed that the second time we saw it, it was not as intense and seemed to drag in a few spots. However, all in all a good movie.

Boone
07-02-2005, 02:42 PM
Re: Doobywho.

Granted, when face with Murderous Aliens, everyone is entitled to a damn good hissy-fit - but Dakota Fannings screaches simply went beyond the realms of fantasy! Even Edward Furlong(T2) is acceptable compared to this brat! :banghead:

You may notice that when the refugees have to take cover in that Tunnel and the Marines "let the f***er have it!", Dakota gives off a screach which is abrubtly cut off and then she lets out another - sounds like a mistake in the sound if you ask me... :shrug:

JeroenDStout
07-02-2005, 02:54 PM
The Parrot - good explanation, except for one thing - the aliens were from Mars (never mentioned in the movie, although it's in the book - however, there is an opening shot where Mars is shown [the sunrise behind Earth]). For a race that can travel through space, Earth would be right next door.

I just don't really care, though. The movie was fun. 'Nuff said.
Hm, but if they can bury such machines in earth, why wait so long with overtaking it anyway, I guess. On me, they almost mentioned Mars in the 'prologue' and a god in the epiloge, so I just took those 2 bits as a form of homage to the old film/book, nothing more - not part of the actual filmplot, for me.

Boone
07-02-2005, 03:18 PM
Re: The Parrot.

Too lazy to make their own sitcoms, rom-coms, Dramas etc - they waited for humanity to advance just enough to do it for them.

However, with the advent of X-Files, Independance Day etc - they knew their cover was blown. With a few years worth of humans joking about "anal probes", "Uranus", "Jawas" etc - they had time to speed up their plans to invade earth!

But their was a problem from the "Red-Party" regarding eviromental issues...

"But what happens if we get to earth and we can't adapt to the enviroment?"

...but the goverment of Mars simply won an election on the basis of...

"Vote for us and we will invade Ewrp now! This time tommorow we can have all the sun, sand and sea we will ever need! Besides - we've all had enough of 24 and Alias!" :buttrock:

...and off they go... :rolleyes:

BTW - The original is now showing on C5( UK channel ) in 15 minutes! GODDAMN - WHERES MY M&MS? MY ANGEL CAKE? MY PEPSI MAX? :scream:

JeroenDStout
07-02-2005, 03:26 PM
ROFL :)... it's never a good idea to bring in logical politics into a manial race ;).. On the other hand, I had some questions accepting the aliens looked evil rather as just people working in a slaughterhouse where they process cows into food :P...

Happy watching... I'll need to view it again someday, to check the differences :)

Jackdeth
07-02-2005, 04:35 PM
I Hated That Dam Ending! After all the amazing stuff, and to end it in that way really pissed me off in the theater. It was like A.I all over again.

Jadedwolf
07-02-2005, 06:13 PM
Did anyone else feel like yelling "hooray for earth," after the movie ended?

Chris Bacon
07-02-2005, 08:18 PM
OK Ive just been to see the film and I have to say......IT WAS :buttrock:

S P O I L E R S

The special effects were nothing short of BRILLIANT.......

and the tri pods....OH MY GOD......they were intense......I kid you not when there around the adrenailn starts to pump.......:twisted: Espesial when you see them come up over the hill and see all the people running for the ship.....

S P O I L E R S

ILM did a great job on the 'Death Ray' I though it was gonna be cheesy and over the top....but they did a good job with it.....they only problem I had was.....the Beam waporise people when it hit them.....so why didnt the cloths et vaporised aswel.......Part when you see the cloths blowing in the wind after the people get vaporised coming out of the river.....

Also Im not overly keen on the Idea of them being already here......think about it....in the film they say that the aliens hid the machines on earth thousands of years before humans began to build citys......if that was true then the aliens would been aware of the bacteria......

My dad realy didnt like the film.....he said it was anoying....and he hated the ending saying it was stupid.....I argued that the ending was one of the main points of the film and that it wouldnt be WAR OF THE WORLDS without it......

But over than that I would HIGHLY recomend this film.....SO GO WATCH IT....

WillRyan
07-02-2005, 08:24 PM
Ah, but bacteria evolve fairly quickly over time. Look how fast our antibiotics are quickly becoming ineffective. Imagine what the aliens knew of bacteria and viruses from the last moments they were on earth over a 1000 years ago. Then imagine how much they've changed.

Chris Bacon
07-02-2005, 08:29 PM
Ah, but bacteria evolve fairly quickly over time. Look how fast our antibiotics are quickly becoming ineffective. Imagine what the aliens knew of bacteria and viruses from the last moments they were on earth over a 1000 years ago. Then imagine how much they've changed.

I supose...in the book it says that the aliens had long since got rid of ilness on there own world....the only prblem with it is...if there that advanced surly they would relise....

RocketBoy
07-02-2005, 08:51 PM
I'm not stupid enough to criticize Spielberg the artist... :p :p :p :p :D :D :D

Maybe when I get senile... and braver... :p

WOTW is not, IMHO, Well's best work. In my mind that would be War in the Air (http://www.online-literature.com/wellshg/warinair/). Published just prior to World War One. Read it and be completely amazed... it's like he had a crystal ball.

You won't dare ever critcize the "artist" who brought us such rubbish as 1941, The Lost World, and A.I.? I think you're a tad senile already.

Thanks for the tip about The War in the Air; I have read a lot of Wells' work over the years, but that is one i somehow missed.

olijosman
07-02-2005, 09:40 PM
I like the intensity of the film, it has chilling moments indeed. The impressive visual aspect too, I really like the tripods designs :) but the end is very simple and incredible.The aliens study long ago the Earth...and they do not know the microorganisms?they did not see the Earth plagues? and they travel to a strange planet.. naked? without a special suit like the astronauts? they do not seem intelligent creatures...they looks like animals

a funny paranoic detail ...Europe attacks the U.S.A.? with giant tripods? intel inside of course :scream:

EpShot
07-02-2005, 10:45 PM
amazing film.



i would liek to point out.

it was the CRAZY GUY that said the pods had been buried millions of years ago.
there was no actual explanations given for anything. except that it was bacteria and viurses that killed the aliens.

if they could beam the aliens into the pods through lighting, why not the pods themselves? We know they had been stduying us, but i don't think they specified exactly how long.

persoanly i liek that they didn't give explanations, the point is that they are so advanced we could not even fathom they're technology and logic.

i think the virus thing still works because if they didn't have issues on their planet, and it was similar to ours, and they had been advanced for many millenium, then they wouldn't nessisarily even think abuot it. it is possible to be too advanced, and over look something you would have never considered in the first place.

6foot5
07-02-2005, 10:49 PM
its just a load of old hokum, but it was entertaining.....very hollywood.

JMcWilliams
07-02-2005, 11:15 PM
Ah, but bacteria evolve fairly quickly over time. Look how fast our antibiotics are quickly becoming ineffective. Imagine what the aliens knew of bacteria and viruses from the last moments they were on earth over a 1000 years ago. Then imagine how much they've changed.

People, stop trying to defend the undefendable! :D You think they would be so stupid as to not realise that themselves? :twisted:

It's just a film, it doesn't HAVE to be 100% realistic.

Chris Bacon
07-02-2005, 11:30 PM
People, stop trying to defend the undefendable! :D You think they would be so stupid as to not realise that themselves? :twisted:

It's just a film, it doesn't HAVE to be 100% realistic.


THANK YOU..Finaly.....all my freinds and family have been going crazy over it saying there are holes in the plot Bla bla bla.....it a science fiction film abot aliens coming to conquer the world......people wheres the relism......its not a documentry......just watch and enjoy it for what it is...a fast action sci fi

olijosman
07-02-2005, 11:39 PM
well, the film tries to be realistic. Science fiction is gattaca, this is a fantasy film, I think. Very entertained of course.

olijosman
07-02-2005, 11:48 PM
Anyway I like the film.. but I would like to see more work in the history.:sad:

Chris Bacon
07-02-2005, 11:53 PM
bare in mind your seeing these events through the eyes of ray......so you know what he knows....its not like the 50's film where you see events throgh the eyes of a man who goes to some militery science place......you see it through the eyes of a 'common' man most people in this situation wouldnt know ALL the details

so in a way thats what makes in have that relism.....

JeroenDStout
07-03-2005, 12:24 AM
This movie just proved that we are stronger than those visitor for Mars, didn't it now? We drink water, if it's dirty, couple of trips to the clinic, there we r, standing tall again.. :shrug:
Nah, it showed that we got lucky.

THIS TIME



(mwhuuuhahahahahaha!)

pkok
07-03-2005, 01:18 AM
[QUOTE=The Parrot]Nah, it showed that we got lucky.

THIS TIME



i am waiting to get my hand on the director's cut version for this WOTW dvd. Hopefully there has more content , better expalnation for the ending than this one i saw on the cinema....
I just hope the ending wasn't this way.......I love this movie, just can not c y it needed to end it this way. Can't get over it although my friends told me to get over it: " it's just a movie! " Everything is so nice but the ending just dissapointing:shrug:

remcv8
07-03-2005, 05:29 AM
I'm such a Dork!!! I started a thread on this, not knowing that this one existed!!! Gone now.


War Of The Worlds was really well done and like many here, I too felt helpless and emotional.

Awesome CG, sound and acting!!!

Spielberg is the ruler!!!

To me, the coolest thing about War Of The Worlds is the date it was published.

I've read both 1896 & 1898, not sure.

H.G. Wells is the pioneer of Sci-Fi and I wonder where he found his inspiration, or did he know something that we don't???

leigh
07-03-2005, 06:22 AM
i am waiting to get my hand on the director's cut version for this WOTW dvd. Hopefully there has more content , better expalnation for the ending than this one i saw on the cinema....

I am not so sure what is so hard to understand, especially since the narration at the end explains it rather explicitly:

- The aliens came.
- They got out of their spaceships, breathed the air and drank the water.
- They fell victim to the germs that humans have become immune too.
- They died.

This IS explained in the film. The part with the terraforming and the plants and human blood fertilizer isn't explained quite so explicitly, but personally I had no problem understanding it.

I just got back from watching it again actually. I was blown away once again by how incredible the quality of the visual effects are - they are totally consistent. There are no shots in it that look bad in any way.

On another note though, WHAT THE HELL is it with Americans talking ALL THE TIME during films in the cinemas here?! In my home country this doesn't happen nearly as much as it happens here. Why do people pay $8.50 to come and sit and talk the ENTIRE TIME?! :banghead:

I think someone needs to start a new cinema where the tickets are $20 so we won't get this rude, inconsiderate, INFURIATING riff-raff in the cinema. I'd gladly pay that to sit in a quiet place with considerate people.

KevinKraeer
07-03-2005, 06:35 AM
I saw it today, thought it was awesome. I love when movies bug me out, and make me feel like a little kid; and this one did it. That first attack was intense! Overall, the feel of the film reminded me of the T-Rex escape sequence in Jurassic Park, but two hours worth of that same craziness.

I was fortunate to not have anyone talking in the theater, we went to a little UA theater in Marina, in a strip mall of all places.

otacon
07-03-2005, 06:46 AM
On another note though, WHAT THE HELL is it with Americans talking ALL THE TIME during films in the cinemas here?! In my home country this doesn't happen nearly as much as it happens here. Why do people pay $8.50 to come and sit and talk the ENTIRE TIME?! :banghead:

I think someone needs to start a new cinema where the tickets are $20 so we won't get this rude, inconsiderate, INFURIATING riff-raff in the cinema. I'd gladly pay that to sit in a quiet place with considerate people.

Because the country has turned into a bunch of impatient people who care about nobody but themselves and whoever is on the other end of their cell phone, and instead of going to a theater to sit quietly and be immersed into a good story, and relax, they only go to "hang out" and try to be cool around all the other people.

I too just got back from seeing it again and had people on both sides of me talking through half of it. Its still a great movie.

nitindesign
07-03-2005, 06:52 AM
I think someone needs to start a new cinema where the tickets are $20 so we won't get this rude, inconsiderate, INFURIATING riff-raff in the cinema. I'd gladly pay that to sit in a quiet place with considerate people.

Well here in Switzerland we already pay $18 and it does not stop inconsiderate people from spoiling my movie experience. I am all for a hit squad that drags these people out by their tongue. http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/twisted.gif

Heber
07-03-2005, 07:31 AM
i just saw it ! whoa what an awesome film, and regardless of the plot holes my friends kept bringing up i got what i paid for : "a good time" . Ill definately see it once more.


On another note though, WHAT THE HELL is it with Americans talking ALL THE TIME during films in the cinemas here?! In my home country this doesn't happen nearly as much as it happens here. Why do people pay $8.50 to come and sit and talk the ENTIRE TIME?! :banghead:

I think someone needs to start a new cinema where the tickets are $20 so we won't get this rude, inconsiderate, INFURIATING riff-raff in the cinema. I'd gladly pay that to sit in a quiet place with considerate people.

i know what the hell is up with that? i dont see it too often anymore but i sat in theaters where i swear people talk to the screen things like " oh dont look there" "ohh lookl behind you" "thats not the girl" ughh drives me insane to the point where i say something to them.
Thats the way to get them to shut up, i figured most people will avoid an argument specially since the whole theater is already anoyed with them.

TheOnlyWoj
07-03-2005, 07:42 AM
[QUOTE=Leigh]On another note though, WHAT THE HELL is it with Americans talking ALL THE TIME during films in the cinemas here?! In my home country this doesn't happen nearly as much as it happens here. Why do people pay $8.50 to come and sit and talk the ENTIRE TIME?! :banghead:[QUOTE]

This is what you do: Annoying people talking loudly and/or talking on the phone during a movie ... get up, walk over to them, get an inch from their face and yell "SHUT UP, I"M TRYING TO WATCH THE MOVIE" ... I have actually seen this, and it works.

I've never done it ... but it seems like a reasonable solution. I'd have loved to do it to some lady who was SNORING behind me once.

Matty2Phatty
07-03-2005, 07:48 AM
It's not just the US that has this problem, i'm in Australia and the first time i went to see WotW there was a bunch of girls at the back squeeling and giggling constantly (and not because of the movie).


Actually one thing i am curious about... have any of you guys gone to see this with a packed cinema? Both times i went it was only about a third to half full. It's been like that for most films i've been to lately, except for Episode 3, but that had a built in audience.

visionist
07-03-2005, 08:30 AM
I saw this movie on the first day it came out, totally hyped to see this movie. and I have a word for it "DISAPPOINTED". I am pissed that I paid 9 bucks for this I want my money back and my time. they movie was hella boring is was awesome seeing the people die and the cloths falling the aliens tripods where awesome but I didn’t pay to watch Cruise's poor acting and running away the whole ~2 hours I just saw 1953 film and enjoyed it way more than this one. they best footage of the tripods was in the news van, that’s sucks, I didn’t watched this movie for the 30sec of footage. I don’t understand how they spent all this money on this film, I have a theory, I think they actually built a life size tripod, fully functional. And the aliens died from the common cold, cause they don’t have the built up immune system hat we have for living here for so long. and they haven’t been here for 1000 years just a tripods, which is actually kind of lame cause u would think we would have noticed, but oh well.



This movie was just boring, I had to come home and watch the Machinist again, that is an awesome movie and a good thinker.



LmB

Matty2Phatty
07-03-2005, 08:54 AM
I find it fascinating that whether a person is a good actor or not is so subjective. I thought Tom Cruise did a fantastic job in his role, but even more so Justin Chatwin, who's character really does come off like an ass in the script, but i could actually relate to him in the film.

I've had people say to me that they didn't like WotW and ID4 was better, and now you're saying you don't like WotW and Machinist is better... but ID4 and Machinist are different styles to WotW so it seems strange to compare, unless you're saying you prefer a slow paced psychological thriller to a fast paced action thriller?

Terrorismo
07-03-2005, 08:56 AM
You can't really compare The Machinist to WOFTW. I mean, I was disappointed with Revenge of the Sith, but I didn't go home and say "hey, Dr.Zhivago, now that's an awesome movie."

Solothores
07-03-2005, 09:15 AM
Edit: ah, nitin was quicker... :sad:

nitindesign
07-03-2005, 11:06 AM
I feel like watching it again!

SheepFactory
07-03-2005, 11:21 AM
I saw this movie on the first day it came out, totally hyped to see this movie. and I have a word for it "DISAPPOINTED". I am pissed that I paid 9 bucks for this I want my money back and my time. they movie was hella boring is was awesome seeing the people die and the cloths falling the aliens tripods where awesome but I didn’t pay to watch Cruise's poor acting and running away the whole ~2 hours I just saw 1953 film and enjoyed it way more than this one. they best footage of the tripods was in the news van, that’s sucks, I didn’t watched this movie for the 30sec of footage. I don’t understand how they spent all this money on this film, I have a theory, I think they actually built a life size tripod, fully functional. And the aliens died from the common cold, cause they don’t have the built up immune system hat we have for living here for so long. and they haven’t been here for 1000 years just a tripods, which is actually kind of lame cause u would think we would have noticed, but oh well.



This movie was just boring, I had to come home and watch the Machinist again, that is an awesome movie and a good thinker.



LmB


wow you make a lot of sense!

You are bitching that tom cruise got too much screen time in a tom cruise movie?

lildragon
07-03-2005, 11:44 AM
Wifee and I enjoyed the movie for what it was, serious well integrated vfx that'll give Lucas a good run for his money and alot of excitment to boot.

Although the ending was lack luster, I truly enjoyed the movie, what I don't get though is how deep where those fricking tripods buried for us, archaeologists or who have you, not realize they're there :p heh anyhoo. Was a entertaining movie, will definitely buy the DVD

-lild

Chris Bacon
07-03-2005, 12:02 PM
Tom Cruise's acting was amazing....the part where hes sining to his daughter......PERFECT.....


I dont see what the problem is

DotPainter
07-03-2005, 12:56 PM
Fantastic movie, VFX wise.

However, the script and some of the acting left me dissapointed. Most of the movie did not make any sense to me at all.

Even though the first appearance of the tripod was fantastic CG wise, it underscores how many of the plot points made no sense. Why would all of those people still be standing around gawking after the earth starts rumbling and some huuuge metal machine comes out of the hole? Ok, I understand curiosity, but after it starts sprouting arms and you hear mechanics start revving up, wouln't something say "seems like this is where the blasters come out and it starts shooting at us!" I mean after all, these people are modern New Yorkers who have seen and experienced so much in the way of sci-fi about alien invasions, they would have known something bad was about to happen.

Ok, so after the aliens blast them for not running in the first place.... doh!, why is it that no one else around Tom cruises house seemed to notice? It seems to me that word of hundreds of people getting killed by some giant mechanical thing would have spread like wildfire and panic would start taking grip all over the city. I am sure Tom's character wasn't the ONLY one that saw what happened.

The van. Come on now, the guy fixes the van and ..... doesnt' leave immediately? "duhhuhhh, yeah big zaps from space.... big creatures from underground.... people gettin vaporized.... seems like I should stay here and get paid for fixing this van...." Right.

The van part II. Tom was the only person in New York to figure out how to replace a solenoid? The highways were passable and he could drive through?

The ferry. Hmmm shouldn't someone have figured that if the lights were still on the aliens would be coming there NEXT? "Oh, maybe they skipped a spot." I certainly would have avoided that place like the plague, especially after seeing the buring train.

And lastly the ending. Son shoulda died.


Other than that though it was a great flick!

Julez4001
07-03-2005, 01:05 PM
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i know what the hell is up with that? i dont see it too often anymore but i sat in theaters where i swear people talk to the screen things like " oh dont look there" "ohh lookl behind you" "thats not the girl" ughh drives me insane to the point where i say something to them.
Thats the way to get them to shut up, i figured most people will avoid an argument specially since the whole theater is already anoyed with them.

Yep. Thats what i do.
I start talking to them directly and let everyone know I won't shutup until he shuts up that whay people wayin the back know that I mad atthe person right in front of me. Thats usually does it. But you gotta your battles. I am a bit of extrovert so I can handle folks in any shape or size ESECIALLY if I am with my boys.

:scream: :thumbsup:

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If I remember correctly, the book ends the exact same way the movie ends so be mad at H.G. WELLS.


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For the AI folks, you do remember that Speilberg finihed the movie the other guy Stanley Kurbeck started. You compare AI to all the other Speilberg films an dit odes match but you compate to Clockwork Orange and Etes Wide Shut aand they do match the intensity and aburpness.

Chris Bacon
07-03-2005, 01:06 PM
Alot of people d get the feeling that spielburg did leave a lot of gaps.....

like with the fact that the van didnt get so much as a scratch when the plane crashed......

Boone
07-03-2005, 03:17 PM
Everyone keeps banging on about the ending - how would you have done it? :curious:

Chris Bacon
07-03-2005, 03:20 PM
Everyone keeps banging on about the ending - how would you have done it? :curious:

I agree.....

people keep saying that spielburg should have done a better ending.....

NEWS FLASH...its based on the book war of the worlds.....if you read the book....thats how it ends......the aliens get sick and die........I would have though people would have known this before they went to see it.......if you dont like the ending have a go at Wells not spielburg

Matty2Phatty
07-03-2005, 03:22 PM
I think my only issue with the end was that when the son ran over that hill and there was that huge explosion, and i thought the son was dead, and felt the shock of that.. and then adjusted to the reality that he didn't have a son anymore. I went through the whole film that way, and then at the end when the son showed up again it wasn't a happy emotion, it was just like... man, he's supposed to be dead.

I didn't mind the ending, i just think with the son, it was weird to have to take the emotions of a main character dying, and then have the film say "nahh, he's not dead"

JeroenDStout
07-03-2005, 03:26 PM
Even though the first appearance of the tripod was fantastic CG wise, it underscores how many of the plot points made no sense. Why would all of those people still be standing around gawking after the earth starts rumbling and some huuuge metal machine comes out of the hole? Ok, I understand curiosity, but after it starts sprouting arms and you hear mechanics start revving up, wouln't something say "seems like this is where the blasters come out and it starts shooting at us!" I mean after all, these people are modern New Yorkers who have seen and experienced so much in the way of sci-fi about alien invasions, they would have known something bad was about to happen.
You do realise that if you're faced with a metal machine of more than a dozen floors high with long paws and that looks rather dangerous it actually has a paralizing effect right? I'm not an expert, but I've often read about how when faced with danger one doesn't know one just switches the brain off until it can make sense of it. You see it with accidents with busses; people who are in front of busses just stand there and scream instead of duck away. Fear paralises or causes panick, but the panick often only comes when instinct takes over (so you'd run away from a tiger-like beast but not a twelvety-floor-high metal monster). Saying you'd run away makes no sense as I do hope you never had any experiences with large tripods ;)

Ok, so after the aliens blast them for not running in the first place.... doh!, why is it that no one else around Tom cruises house seemed to notice? It seems to me that word of hundreds of people getting killed by some giant mechanical thing would have spread like wildfire and panic would start taking grip all over the city. I am sure Tom's character wasn't the ONLY one that saw what happened.
...because Tom Cruise is the first and one of the few to actually get back to his house. There was nobody left to do a wildfire.

The van. Come on now, the guy fixes the van and ..... doesnt' leave immediately? "duhhuhhh, yeah big zaps from space.... big creatures from underground.... people gettin vaporized.... seems like I should stay here and get paid for fixing this van...." Right.
Again, he didn't know. The first machine was somewhere else in the city and if everybody is dead: Dead men tale no tale.

Boone
07-03-2005, 03:30 PM
This kind of movie always reminds me of that ad in Robocop with the stop-motion dinosaur rampaging through a city... :D

JeroenDStout
07-03-2005, 03:34 PM
Everyone keeps banging on about the ending - how would you have done it? :curious:
Exactly, it would be like Peter Jackson would say: "...oh dear, I forgot to make Kong climb the Empire State building". It just wouldn't be King Kong :scream:

Btw, movie theatres are getting nasty in the Netherlands here as well. Half-filled and with talking people who only shut their mouth the moment there's random violence. They should have a system where they can ban you for life and automatically enlists those who say more as 10 words during the film :thumbsup:

nitindesign
07-03-2005, 03:39 PM
I am going to watch it again and then get it on DVD. Steven Spielberg is NUTS!!! So many of his movies touch me on such deep emotional level.
Anyway even though I am not a teenager I am going to act like a teenage fanboy and post these images :-)

Btw scientology or no scientology as far as I am concerned Cruise is a decent actor and he acted very good in this movie. I don't care what he does in his private life.

P.S- I hope posting these images is not considered spamming. If it is I will gladly remove them.

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calimity
07-03-2005, 03:42 PM
well i saw this movie a few days ago and i must say, its the best movie ive seen in a while. the cg in it is absolute crazy, and some scenes are so intense. few crits would be

1) the little girl screaming all the time started to get annoying half way through the movie
2) when they are at the parents house and the plane crashed basically on them it was pretty strange how everything is destroyed yet the car parked outside the house is perfect.

basically all i could think off. AWESOME movie and im defently getting it on dvd.

p.s when the first machine was rising and all the cracks and stuff was absolutely crazy.

hopefully no spoilers there

olijosman
07-03-2005, 03:54 PM
Everyone keeps banging on about the ending - how would you have done it? :curious:

+They destroy all the humanity, of course :D . Anyway for me it is only like a first contact with "Cannon fodder" aliens soldiers ...they will return

Emmanuel
07-03-2005, 05:20 PM
I watched it friday, and man, this movie is sooooo bad.
Rarely I am angry about a bad movie, but this one was so stupid it really made me angry.
The first 20 minutes rocked, no doubt, but the more it went on, the more the plot holes and logical errors became apparent.
Dear Mr Spielberg, You can not take a novel from the beginning of the last century and just put it into our time without doing major corrections to it, period.
In the 50s, the movie worked well, but today, with all our knowledge, You really should adapt the story to the year 2005, not 1950.

Just a few things that annoyed me the most:
1.The Aliens were too simliar to the ones in ID4, anatomically, VERY disappointing, why do they have to steal such ideas instead of making their own ones ?
2.So, thealiens watched us for so long and were jealous.Of what ? In the movie, this preface makes no sense, because they just come to plant their strange plants...what's that got to do with jealousy !?
Just as stupid as the epilogue voice over.
3.Stupid aliens, as people have mentioned before, the aliens come without protection suits to a planet which they have not scanned for bacteria before they started this undertaking ? Yeah, sure.I mean, You guys know how much preparation goes into our Mars program, and in the context of the movie we are inferior to the invaders...? Sure.
4.That worm-camera...can be destroyed with an axe ? And it can not use any infrared vision ? Yeah, sure.Good device.Not.
5.The movie is almost an exact copy of the 50s movie, and for that I hate it.No new ideas.Just stolen ones from ID4 and Signs.Great work, Mr Spielberg.

I am pretty much in fear now for Indy 4.Lucas can't make movies anymore, Spielberg can't make movies anymore, I just hope they won't ruin the Indy series.
Oh, and after this one I decided not to watch King Kong.
I am sick and tired of remakes that don't add new ideas and flavours.
The trailer of Kong had some "look that didn't fit into LOTR, so we used it for Kong" visuals that seem to become a trademark of WETA's (strangley lit cliffs and mountains), plus it seems this movie will be a 1:1 copy of the original Kong movie.No, thanks.I watched the jaw-breaker scene back then, why would I need to watch it again !?
Kong looks good, but so did Mighty Joe Young.

Kargokultti
07-03-2005, 05:40 PM
First: this was a well made film. It nabbed me. I think Spielberg hasa real knack of nabbing you.

I was actually making escape plans in the movie theatre, waiting for the aliens or the Eye.

Second: I think this film isn't a good film, as in "good for you". It's well made, total entertainment, but I felt that if it had a heart, it was some dry twisted organ, closely resembling the bloodroots.

My theory is that Spielberg is this super nice guy, with something evil lurking under the surface. The super nice guy made ET, the Indy films, Catch me if you can etc. The Evil Lurker is responsible for this one.

P.S. The militant feminist wants to add that the only female character of any importance was a squealing idiot child of no importance. Small girls are not that stupid.

visionist
07-03-2005, 07:02 PM
I watched it friday, and man, this movie is sooooo bad.
Rarely I am angry about a bad movie, but this one was so stupid it really made me angry.
The first 20 minutes rocked, no doubt, but the more it went on, the more the plot holes and logical errors became apparent.
Dear Mr Spielberg, You can not take a novel from the beginning of the last century and just put it into our time without doing major corrections to it, period.
In the 50s, the movie worked well, but today, with all our knowledge, You really should adapt the story to the year 2005, not 1950.

Just a few things that annoyed me the most:
1.The Aliens were too simliar to the ones in ID4, anatomically, VERY disappointing, why do they have to steal such ideas instead of making their own ones ?
2.So, thealiens watched us for so long and were jealous.Of what ? In the movie, this preface makes no sense, because they just come to plant their strange plants...what's that got to do with jealousy !?
Just as stupid as the epilogue voice over.
3.Stupid aliens, as people have mentioned before, the aliens come without protection suits to a planet which they have not scanned for bacteria before they started this undertaking ? Yeah, sure.I mean, You guys know how much preparation goes into our Mars program, and in the context of the movie we are inferior to the invaders...? Sure.
4.That worm-camera...can be destroyed with an axe ? And it can not use any infrared vision ? Yeah, sure.Good device.Not.
5.The movie is almost an exact copy of the 50s movie, and for that I hate it.No new ideas.Just stolen ones from ID4 and Signs.Great work, Mr Spielberg.

I am pretty much in fear now for Indy 4.Lucas can't make movies anymore, Spielberg can't make movies anymore, I just hope they won't ruin the Indy series.
Oh, and after this one I decided not to watch King Kong.
I am sick and tired of remakes that don't add new ideas and flavours.
The trailer of Kong had some "look that didn't fit into LOTR, so we used it for Kong" visuals that seem to become a trademark of WETA's (strangley lit cliffs and mountains), plus it seems this movie will be a 1:1 copy of the original Kong movie.No, thanks.I watched the jaw-breaker scene back then, why would I need to watch it again !?
Kong looks good, but so did Mighty Joe Young.

I totally agree Emmanuel thanks for ur input. And I didnt compare machinist to WOTW, i just needed to see any "GOOD/WELL MADE" movie, to wash away the horrid imaged of this bad movie. and I dont mind Cruise's acting that much I enjoy him in many film such as the last samurai, I thought he was great in that, he just sucked in this. it felt like a really bad home movie and my friends and family tryin to act the part, doesnt work.

LmB

KevinKraeer
07-03-2005, 07:16 PM
I watched it friday, and man, this movie is sooooo bad.
Rarely I am angry about a bad movie, but this one was so stupid it really made me angry.
The first 20 minutes rocked, no doubt, but the more it went on, the more the plot holes and logical errors became apparent.
Dear Mr Spielberg, You can not take a novel from the beginning of the last century and just put it into our time without doing major corrections to it, period.
In the 50s, the movie worked well, but today, with all our knowledge, You really should adapt the story to the year 2005, not 1950.

Just a few things that annoyed me the most:
1.The Aliens were too simliar to the ones in ID4, anatomically, VERY disappointing, why do they have to steal such ideas instead of making their own ones ?
2.So, thealiens watched us for so long and were jealous.Of what ? In the movie, this preface makes no sense, because they just come to plant their strange plants...what's that got to do with jealousy !?
Just as stupid as the epilogue voice over.
3.Stupid aliens, as people have mentioned before, the aliens come without protection suits to a planet which they have not scanned for bacteria before they started this undertaking ? Yeah, sure.I mean, You guys know how much preparation goes into our Mars program, and in the context of the movie we are inferior to the invaders...? Sure.
4.That worm-camera...can be destroyed with an axe ? And it can not use any infrared vision ? Yeah, sure.Good device.Not.
5.The movie is almost an exact copy of the 50s movie, and for that I hate it.No new ideas.Just stolen ones from ID4 and Signs.Great work, Mr Spielberg.

I am pretty much in fear now for Indy 4.Lucas can't make movies anymore, Spielberg can't make movies anymore, I just hope they won't ruin the Indy series.
Oh, and after this one I decided not to watch King Kong.
I am sick and tired of remakes that don't add new ideas and flavours.
The trailer of Kong had some "look that didn't fit into LOTR, so we used it for Kong" visuals that seem to become a trademark of WETA's (strangley lit cliffs and mountains), plus it seems this movie will be a 1:1 copy of the original Kong movie.No, thanks.I watched the jaw-breaker scene back then, why would I need to watch it again !?
Kong looks good, but so did Mighty Joe Young.

Normally I don't let myself get dragged into these ridiculous arguments (which generally measure a 9 on the nerd Richter scale), and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but dude. When did it become impossible for you and that other guy to enjoy a movie just for the sake of enjoying a movie?

And what's with the "I'm not gonna see King Kong now" stuff? It's not even CLOSE to being out yet! It's summertime, go outside and sit and drink some beers.

Matty2Phatty
07-03-2005, 07:21 PM
And what's with the "I'm not gonna see King Kong now" stuff? It's not even CLOSE to being out yet! It's summertime, go outside and sit and drink some beers.

Awesome :thumbsup:

Jackdeth
07-03-2005, 07:24 PM
Everyone keeps banging on about the ending - how would you have done it? :curious:

+They destroy all the humanity, of course :D . Anyway for me it is only like a first contact with "Cannon fodder" aliens soldiers ...they will return




Have the son and and the mother be dead, and let it be very somber.

The fact that there was a SUPER HAPPY ENDING drove me nuts. It's didn't make sense. What's the chance of them all living? Why didn't their street in Boston have any damage? Why was grandpa and grandma all dressed up in thier perfect sunday best? How the hell did the son not get cooked on that hill? Why were they all walking through the streets of Boston in the day light when there were tripods around? How the hell did they get to Boston? Why wasn't there a scene or two of the tripods acting wierd? They went from perfect to dead in 1 minute. Aghhh!

Kirt
07-03-2005, 07:26 PM
Great film! I loved the tripods and suspense throughout the film. Definately a fun and entertaining film. Four stars from me.

Although I didn't like that the cars stalled on the highway and the rubble from the plane crash formed a perfect drivable path for Tom's mini van. It would have made more sense if they replaced the mini-van with a 4X4 vehicle and had him travel cross country the rugged way.

ShinChanPu
07-03-2005, 08:11 PM
Went to cinema to see it yesterday and I must say I'm dissapointed. The beggining is really promising. From there and on, the movie kept me more stressed than hooked and finally the last 10 minutes was really bad. The finish comes suddenly, unexpectedly... and I was wondering if that was really the end. I can't avoid thinking of that old B movies like Plan 9 from Outer Space. A tribute? :shrug:

Many story gaps, incoherences, etc... as people said before.

Far away from a good movie, IMHO.

Joblh
07-03-2005, 08:28 PM
seen the movie yesterday, it was a great movie, the visual effects were stunning :eek:
and the sound too! I agree with the others with the end, way to happy ending, and i'd prefer that the son died. But what the heck, the movie entertained me and that's the most important

it didn't had the same impact on me as LOTR did, but overal it's a goodmovie, and i'd recommend everybody to see it! :D

Seven
07-03-2005, 08:53 PM
Hmm, ive been having discussions with people about this film. I know I was very opinionated at first :)

I might be changing my mind now.. I need to see it again.

morpheus_1ro
07-03-2005, 09:35 PM
hy i've just seen the movie two days ago and i agree with you on the special effects part and the acting..but i think that the story was kinda old and "expired" because it was simple enough, no complex characters no complex plot absolutely nothing..a tipically american movie.
Yeah they rule when it comes co cgi special effects and stuff but that's just the surface. Inside there is no core if u know what i mean. this is the deffinition of blockbuster movies. From this point of view low budget movies rule because they hit that spot with the characters and the story and the special effects are just to make all more pleasant to watch.Tipically american...it had a certain grandeur but shallow on the inside...cool movie though you should read the book

Pollo
07-03-2005, 09:38 PM
********SPOILER WARNING************

I have seen several movies in the past year and this is one of the worst. The story wasn't wasn't formed and then when it got to the "end," it almost seems they forgot to write in an ending so they rushed a "oh yea, all of them died by bacteria." I think they relied too much on just the names of the people involved in and the CG animation. Where's the plot. . .the story?!?

If you are picking, I'd pick Batman or Madagascar of this easily.

Boone
07-03-2005, 10:15 PM
Re: Pollo

"it almost seems they forgot to write in an ending so they rushed a "oh yea, all of them died by bacteria."

Umm...correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the ending writen by HG Wells? :shrug:

JeroenDStout
07-03-2005, 10:42 PM
May I point out that most of the people who write bad things about this movie somehow try to show a bitter heart and overuse cynicism and sarcasm? "good device, only not". I think everybody has their own opinions and that's great, I love that. But please, can we keep things a bit light? Something like:
"1.The Aliens were too simliar to the ones in ID4, anatomically, VERY disappointing, why do they have to steal such ideas instead of making their own ones ?"
They don't have to be stolen. Just for my (and possibly a lot of other people on this forum) sake say "I thought they were too much alike to the aliens in ID4 anatomically, I didn't like that", I can respect that. But this is just downright bashing. Not that I like fanboy-ism, but this is the other end.
Quite franky, it annoys me that somehow people know what the director was thinking and somehow know that he was a lazy bastard who didn't do any good. Someone like Shin Chan Pu wrote it quite nicely and although I didn't like what he wrote, I can accept he just has a different taste. What the sentence above does, though, is invade my sense of what is good by making a SWAT-team barging into a cottage in the north of Scotland to take out a blind deaf man by using massive amounts of TNT.

And if you really have to bitch, please do it somewhere else, this really makes me dislike such threads for their nemesis-boys posts - it even made me post a post on how much I dislike such posts!
Bit of Irony there.

I liked the film, it had some plotholes, but I liked it for it's dark atmosphere. If you didn't like the mood and feel and just came in to see some American guy order a nuclear attack and take them out, then you won't like it. It doesn't make it a wrong film then.

(and the so-called 'bad ending' is just like in the book, which is why I like it, not because it's a good ending)

Thank you for your attention, let the thread resume ;)

archangel123
07-03-2005, 10:55 PM
Can it get any better than this?? steven's diff approach to this movie has totally blown me away. moviemaking at it's best. :buttrock: scenes like the one where all the ppl try to get into cruise's car near the ferry were absolutely fantastic. what more could u ask for?? i am gonna watch it again next week.:bounce:

Matty2Phatty
07-03-2005, 11:34 PM
Yeah the scene with everyone trying to get into the car was fantastic! Had me on the edge of my seat!

And the scene with the eye going through the basement!!

Or the first attack, which just completely blew me away...

Or that devilish scream the wind made when they were in Rays ex-wifes place basement!

Oohhh ohh!! And the scene when Ray and Ogilvie were having a silent fight with each other while the aliens snooped around the house!!

*sigh*

I loved this movie.

pipjor
07-04-2005, 12:05 AM
saw it, loved the special effects but i'd say it was more of a "stressfull" movie to watch than enjoyable...funny i do 3D(arch renderings) and love 3D but i really like movies like "Sideways" with no special effects and a great script more than say a "War of the Worlds"..
just my humble opion...

DB3D
07-04-2005, 12:54 AM
I didn't think the lord of the rings was anti climactic at all, but even if it was it was done well in movie form and book form.

However I think the book and the movie in this respect should have been different. The Book is great and I love it, but it doesn't translate into a good movie. There are things that are in the book that if you do in the movie they are going to be a bit odd and they probably won't make any sense to the audience. The book was targeted to a certain audience and the movie is targeted to an entirely different audience so they should have changed a few things including the ending. However the movie wasn't that close to the book in my opinion and there were a few areas that it fell short in the newer aspects of the story. Almost all of the Spielberg movies I have seen I have felt the same about except his classics. This movie had so much potential to be incredible, some things just need to be changed and elaborated on. That is my opinion though, I could be wrong, but I think I could have done it better and when that is the case it must have fell short in a lot of areas.

cool, cant wait to see your multi million dollar movie. You have quite a few movies to make till you catch up to good ol steve.

Eomer41
07-04-2005, 01:20 AM
I thought is was good, but not real great. The martians were really cool and the action was very crazy at parts. The ending seems kind of sudden, but I think that's what happend in the book.

I think if Steven Spielberg stayed closer to the original book The War of the Worlds, it would of been better.

JMcWilliams
07-04-2005, 01:21 AM
I disliked war of the worlds because there were not enough british people and a utter lack of the colour pink (which is my favourite). Stephan Spielberg is a demon for making such a movie and I am going to set up a paramilitary organisation to fight his evil empire (kind of like the A-team, only with 100% less mohican).

I would also like to use this film as a prop to allow me to complain about Americans, they are evil because I don't like this movie and I will generalise all American films in a sweeping statement. The aliens where not very realistic (I get abducted a lot, you can probably tell). I don't believe for a second that three digits on each hand would have been sufficient on the surface of mars and I would like mr Spielberg to send me technical specifications on the Alien Tripods, because I am not convinced that such a vehicle would be possible.

Sincerely,

The Dark Commander, The B-Team