View Full Version : Proposed Porcelanosa Stair, Geoffrey Packer @ Spiral Staircase Systems (3D)

06-13-2005, 12:13 PM
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Title: Proposed Porcelanosa Stair
Name: Geoffrey Packer @ Spiral Staircase Systems
Country: United Kingdom
Software: Photoshop, VIZ, VRay

The second of 2 renders for a forthcoming book to celebrate 35 years of staircase designed and fabricated by the company I work for.

This is the design we proposed to the porcelanosa tile company, and not accepted (Just as well really as it is a prototype design which works fine in domestic situations, but possibly not in public!). It makes a good render none the less. Some horrible looking stair was made in its place!

Added furniture in which will probably be cropped in advertising, but adds something to the scene.

Viz, vray and photoshop used

Composited background in (guess where you would have to be too this view?). This is the dodgyist bit IMO. C&C welcome

06-13-2005, 05:31 PM
- I like this image because it is very simplistic with out being empty.
- I believe that the outside is a little too dark for the interior lighting though.
- Nice clean geometry and good use of space, looks like a place I'd like to live.

06-13-2005, 05:37 PM
Really beautiful. I'm impressed. You must be looking out of........ erm..... my office window ;)

where in the UK are you based?


06-13-2005, 06:15 PM

Woah nice work. Like the feel. The Design has come good and the Camera has also given a good a very very good impact. :thumbsup: .

I feel compared to the Exterior Background lighting the light that fills the room should be more sharp.

Rest is very nice. You get rated.

Vray Rocks :bounce: .

06-13-2005, 06:34 PM
This Is One Of The Best

Great Job My Friend

06-13-2005, 06:35 PM
very nice yet too bright i think
but this work really reflect the artist u r:)

Tom W.
06-13-2005, 06:40 PM
Man would I love to live there :D gj, nice lighting :)

06-13-2005, 06:42 PM
Wonderful image!
One Question: Is that an elevator in the middle, which the staircase raps around?

06-13-2005, 06:44 PM
wonderful...i like the brightness

can't wait until vray come out for maya....

06-13-2005, 07:46 PM
Is that a smoking waste can? in a building in chicago? on a floor other than the first floor?

It looks great, just thought I would make mention of that funny bit there.

I think the lighting is very well matched for the scene.

06-13-2005, 08:11 PM
Very elegent. I like the flow of the pice. Well done.
However it looks like if you were walking along the edge of the step the glass and all the railing would cause it to bow atleast vibrate a bit with your foot falls.

06-13-2005, 08:29 PM
Something related to architecture.. GREAT !! i cant wait to start my course at Northumbria in archoitecture.. theyve just got a new vis studio.. with a 3d projector.. anyone who has been to the bfi IMAX theater in london will know how cool that really is.

Keep it up, and if you dont mind me asking... what formal qualification do you have

06-13-2005, 08:50 PM
Hello thanks for all your comments.


Blackcarrot : We are based in Sussex, in a village called Glynde (as in gyndebourne the opera house) near Brighton. This is obviously not the view out of window! cows are about the only things I can see!
DevilHacker: yes, it is a lift in the middle.
azozel : it doesn't move! we have made 4/5 of these stairs, with another 2 at least on the 'drawing board' (or should I say screen) some with structural calcs. We do have photos of them.
TheCleaner: I have BSc in Architectural Techincian-ing or something! Most of the other draughtsman have BA's in product design.
andrewjohn81: LOL. didn't think of fire regs. better put some sprinklers in to....



06-13-2005, 11:27 PM
Fantastic image! 5 stars from me :)

(i'm wondering how it's possible that this thread has gotten a rating as low as 3 stars at the moment. I'm seeing these ridiculously low ratings for images that really deserve better more and more on this forum :( )

06-13-2005, 11:32 PM
Amazing work. I really love the light feeling in this room. The top of the ceiling has a nice shape. Great work!

06-13-2005, 11:36 PM
...However it looks like if you were walking along the edge of the step the glass and all the railing would cause it to bow atleast vibrate a bit with your foot falls.
Agreed. It looks very nice but I think my grandmother wouldn't feel teribly safe on it. (she's a large woman weighing in at 322 lbs)

06-14-2005, 12:32 AM
Wow!! Clean view!! I like your work and it's style. except brightness level of the outside of the house!!
Anyway, it's great :thumbsup:
Keep good working

06-14-2005, 03:40 AM
How could something so great get 3 stars? Hopefully my 5 stars will help! This is just great and it looks so real. This is another one of those pieces of art/renders I just want to walk into. The stairs are perfectly done and the subtle background is so good, it's easy to miss details. That's how natural this all seems. No crtis from me, just ass pats.


06-14-2005, 03:46 AM
- I like this image because it is very simplistic with out being empty.

hi, do you really know the meaning of simplistic?

this image is ANYTHING but simplistic.

www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com/) can help you :)

06-14-2005, 04:30 AM
Very nice looking and crean scene. The rendering is very realistic. I also like the harmony and abundace of light in the scene. :)

06-14-2005, 07:17 AM
real :D , maybe the photo in the background have a bit dark sky for the light of the scene , the models are amazing :).

06-14-2005, 07:19 AM
*...i guess i saw this model before but on a different angle, dunno where:)
*...five stars from me!:bounce::thumbsup:

06-14-2005, 07:42 AM
WOW! your image is fantastic, in particular the lighting. can post son VRay settings? which GI method, color mapping do you use and position of the lights sources... :)

thanks! Nicola

06-14-2005, 08:09 AM
Make out very beautiful, have no differentiation with photograph

06-14-2005, 08:12 AM
OK, I give in. Call me Mr.Silly, but I have no idea where the background view comes from, or why it's dodgy.
Do tell...

Very nice work by the way.


06-14-2005, 08:48 AM
Wow....loads of replies. only 3 stars now :( . It was 4 last night

funchski: It's a view from ...... L'arc de triomphe in Paris looking at La Defence
the only reason I say that it's dodgy is because something didn't look quite right. I guess it could be that it's slightly too dark as a few of your have suggested.

1.8XL : I have posted an unfinished image on cgarchitect and vray forums.

etrosh : I'll get the settings for you.

Again thanks for the input


06-14-2005, 09:12 AM
Wow, Geoffrey, this is really nice. The only crit I'll make has been said before and has nothing to do with the 3d stuff: it is structurally improbable! Other than that, I really like the lighting and the darker background doesn't bother me. 5 stars from me to get your average back up! :thumbsup:

06-14-2005, 09:50 AM
Thanks for the vote DR FX

it is structurally improbable

http://img292.echo.cx/img292/9761/porcelanosaphoto6sn.th.jpg (http://img292.echo.cx/my.php?image=porcelanosaphoto6sn.jpg)

Have you seen the apple stairs?
Straight (http://www.ifoapplestore.com/stores/the_grove/index.htm)
Helical (http://www.dupont.com/safetyglass/lgn/stories/2401.html)

There is even less holding these stairs up!

06-14-2005, 10:26 AM
- I like this image because it is very simplistic with out being empty.
- I believe that the outside is a little too dark for the interior lighting though.
- Nice clean geometry and good use of space, looks like a place I'd like to live.
i feel too

06-14-2005, 10:30 AM
real frontpage work
am glad for ya dude

06-14-2005, 11:16 AM
Nice staircase & great image.

There's some blotchyness around the ceiling (which could be whipped out in Photoshop), aside from that it's a really tight render.

06-14-2005, 01:30 PM
realy impressive and realistic lighting...can you share which settings are you using on vray?

thanx in advance

06-14-2005, 03:27 PM
Some settings for you

http://img249.echo.cx/img249/5355/2002settings3ul.th.png (http://img249.echo.cx/my.php?image=2002settings3ul.png)

http://img191.echo.cx/img191/1452/2002settingslight012aw.th.png (http://img191.echo.cx/my.php?image=2002settingslight012aw.png)

http://img210.echo.cx/img210/5816/2002settingslight029go.th.png (http://img210.echo.cx/my.php?image=2002settingslight029go.png)

I was still using vray 1.09 on this project

Experimental setup with vray 2 lights, one for nice diffuse shadows another to light the scene. I think a chap called Alex Konst thought this one up. Search on the vray forum for more info.

The Irradiance map settings are a bit dodgy as I had to pshop up the chairs.

Corgan Media Lab
06-14-2005, 03:29 PM
Great job on this rendering. The light levels are really nice, not too washed out, and the shadows under the chairs at the left are very convincing. Lastly, the glass material on the stairs is really great.

06-14-2005, 04:42 PM
it's really realistic :)

06-14-2005, 05:11 PM
http://img292.echo.cx/img292/9761/porcelanosaphoto6sn.th.jpg (http://img292.echo.cx/my.php?image=porcelanosaphoto6sn.jpg)

Wow! That must be a pretty sturdy (and expensive) glass! :eek:
I guess I'm just not used to seeing structural glass! Congrats again, Geoffrey!

06-14-2005, 11:16 PM
Great work. The comments that the image is too bright I think are wrong. The natural lighting this piece emanates is truly realistic. Again fine work.

06-15-2005, 02:54 AM
It is nice, but the lighting is too much, I am sorry the lighting does not look real.

06-15-2005, 10:20 AM
Excellent lighting & detail, Can even see my house from there

06-15-2005, 02:52 PM
thanks a lot to share with us you vray settings!


06-15-2005, 10:31 PM
really amazing work

06-15-2005, 11:47 PM
Amazing! Truely Amazing! :applause:

06-16-2005, 01:01 PM
Tacky stairs, but beautifully rendered.

06-16-2005, 07:40 PM
Verrry Nice, as a product shot i think it is awsome. All the detail, realistic environs and nice layout that dosnt that enhances the stair but dosnt distract. Not a crit as much as just wondering how it will do going to print? Kinda of assuming it will be used as a promotional shot for flyers pub sheets etc?

06-18-2005, 12:53 AM
very good work!

Good to see Im not the only one using Viz. :)

06-18-2005, 02:22 PM
Looks very clean and the render is perfect IMO. It's very inspirational too - I'm going to have a go at interior modelling soon.

07-05-2005, 11:11 PM
Very nice render! Great work man

07-06-2005, 01:41 PM
I think the lighting is on point, perhaps it's 12 p.m. and the sun is just blazing.....great work man keep it up

07-07-2005, 11:37 AM
beautifull render dewd!
5 stars from me!

07-08-2005, 04:28 PM
Great modelling, excellent rendering!:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:.
But I also think that the image is bright!:shrug:.
Nice vision, I would like to see the night view!:).

07-13-2005, 11:13 PM
Really very impresive work.... the usae of VRay for this task was a winner decision as it really reflect the realism in your work.... KEEP IT UP!!

07-15-2005, 03:01 PM
what an astonishing design real glass I love it indeed good background but I feel the sun
shine direction is wrong no matter and it is too illuminated
Keep going


07-23-2005, 01:58 AM
How can I get one for my office? very nice design, modeling and light work.

Keep posting pictures like this, Please.


07-27-2005, 01:53 AM
you have the best style i eva saw man
I love rooms and you are my favorite artist now!!! FOR REAL!!! :O

07-30-2005, 01:46 AM
it's so great, my friend

08-02-2005, 04:57 PM
The style is really great. You've made a really good job with detailing the stair.

08-08-2005, 07:46 AM
could u show some details of your setting of vray? thanx!!!

08-15-2005, 02:56 PM
Beautiful lighting. I love the soft gradient of lights. Excellent work.

08-20-2005, 10:02 AM
Hey what a work. Excellent. Specially it's lighting is fantastic:thumbsup:

09-06-2005, 03:41 PM
I like it; has a perfect lighting and perspective

09-21-2005, 08:34 PM
Very realistic. Great job on the glass and windows. The city in the background has a good details!

09-22-2005, 09:50 AM
I want to ask you a question~

Did you add the exterior building with Photoshop?
Or added in MAX?

09-22-2005, 08:02 PM
Kellyw: the background was added in photoshop.
I rendered out a alpha channel separate, with all the glass hidden.
Then just duplicated the channel into the final rendered image, and using the mask I was able too see the background. I altered the opacity of that layer just to desaturate the background image a tad.
Hope that was of some help


09-26-2005, 12:01 AM
hmmm is too short so... hmmm...

09-30-2005, 01:36 AM
thats just amazing... wish i could do something like that lol. Keep up the good work! Great lighting!

Alex McGilvray
10-09-2005, 06:40 PM
Fantastic, my new dream house.. Unfortunately now my dream house doesnt actually exist :D

10-11-2005, 02:06 PM
i think it`s very nice i like it very much u r exellent and professional go on

10-11-2005, 02:52 PM
very very very nice i like it very much

10-16-2005, 12:51 PM
very very very reality

nice work

10-21-2005, 01:39 AM
amazing stuff, the lightings are real, keep it up

10-27-2005, 10:51 AM
veeeeeeeeeery nice!.. i want that staircase in my house!... not sure it would fit in a 400 year old manor house tho:P

10-28-2005, 08:00 AM
It all looks very good, but the back dont blend with the rest of the picture.
But 9/10 by me :)

11-03-2005, 12:26 PM
come on, man... i love your vray work!!! teach me ok? be my teacher, haha...

12-28-2005, 07:36 AM
I am a student.Feel to do of have the thought, want to do obeisance you as the teacher.

01-29-2006, 06:16 PM
Really nice work, I like the detail on the stairs steps, the green rim on it, I was wondering how did you did that?, its part of the shader or did you texture it or its a property in the render?.

04-23-2006, 06:09 PM
Very Nice Lighting..

07-24-2006, 09:53 AM
it's bright and clear:eek:

01-18-2007, 01:05 AM
This is beautiful! I love the city and this takes me back there. The lighting I think is great. I think take out the furniture and the trash can by the window and just let everyone focus on the main thing...the staircase and of course how well you incorporated the view. Job well done.

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