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06-12-2005, 02:19 PM
Im about to build my first "proper" workstation , and my background is more of 2d compositing using photoshop, after effect and premiere. And as the experience level demands more and more of u. I finally have realized that i also have improve my skills in 3d to my able to someday start upp my own buisniess( thats another story ,though!). So to improve my skills i have to build my own workstation so i can spend all of my free time on learning ( i wonder what my girlfriend will say about this?).
Question: How do i spend my 1100$ the best way to forefill my demands interms of hardware and software performance [Video card?] upgrading my old station or should i go for the new setup?
I need to be able to work with Hi-res photage (photoshop) , DV-PAL video capturing and editing in premiere and then im doing the compositing in After Effects. The 3d part will mostly consist of modeling, texturing and lightning . And im going to use MAYA.
AMd 2500+ [CPU)
Abit Nf7-s [Motherboard]
512 (2x 256MB) [Ram]
Powercolor Radeon 9600 PRO AGP 8x
My imaginery New Workstation:
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2GHz Socket 939, 512KB[CPU}
MSI K8N NEO4 Platinum, nForce4 Ultra,ATX Socket-939, 4xSATA2, D-GbLAN, PCI-Ex16 [Motherboard]
TwinMOS PC3200 DDR-DIMM 1024MB Dual Pack Kit w/two matched PC3200 DDR DIMMs [RAM] x 2
Gainward GeForce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 GS PCI-Express,"Ultra/2400PCX GS",2xDVI [Graphicard]
And yes i have read all of the threads thats the way i came up with the "My imaginery New Workstation:" setup.
Thanks in advance !!
Hi buddy. I have AMD 64 3500+ configuration, with simmilar hardware, and if ya want to by something like you write, my advices for AMD 64 3500+ are:
-Buy Winchester core
-TwinMOS is good RAM generally(I don't know specification for this model), but usually, for AMD's 64 dual channel configuration is better when memory modules aren't two sided.
-If you're using Windows, do not instal SP1
Generally AMD 64 3500+ as you perheaps know has good overclocking potential. My expirience is that my 3500+ is now setted on 2,48 GHz alhought its Newcastle core(Winchester can go even more), and temperature is max 58 deg Celsius when is full powered even for few hours(rendering in 3ds Max) without any troubles, or crashes(while I had Win SP1 installed there was crashes).
But , maybe, I see you're working mostly with Photoshop and video editing, programs that bases work mostly on graphic cards , for you is maybe better to upgrade ya configuration with one professional MATROX graphic card (that ships with Adobe Premiere Pro for free) which is fast as devil in video editing(my good friend buy it about 5 months ago, and for comparation, while his older Ati 9800pro some applications (Premiere and Aftereffects aren't that familiar for me so forgot what applications,but are my friends test reference) were doing for 5-6 hours, Matrox is doing the same for about 15-20 min.-thats my friends words). He pay his model about 1200 Euro. Check for MATROX on net for closer information.
Hope that help you a little. Best wishes.
P.S. MATROX isn't good choice for 3D.
06-13-2005, 09:10 PM
Thanks for your straight forward reply! Yes the MAtrox card sounds just like a perfect solution for me. But im really curious about how After effects would benefit from the matroxcad interms of performance? I think i will go for a 6800 GT and then invest in the matroxcard. And by the way why Winchester core in the AMD 64 ? is about the nm?
Personally I'd shoot for a Athlon64 based on the Venice core (Rev E). They are among the coolest running of the bunch, and come with SSE3 and a few tweaks here and there. Definately worth it over other core revisions, aside from dual core of cource ;).
06-13-2005, 10:40 PM
I am going to be the 'devil's advocate' here and question the need for a new PC at all. Hell, you stated that your just learning about 3D, and yoru current PC is far from being slow. Why not wait until you would be able to really push the 3D software before you spend money on new hardware?
Add another 512 or 1GB of RAM and a reformat to clean up your current rig is realy all you need right now.
06-14-2005, 01:19 PM
Hazdaz your are appsolutely right! Since im just a beginner interms of Maya and 3d. A new rig may be a overkill, but whats a dude to do when i have 1100$ to spend on hardware which i got from a freelance job. And i really havent decided which program i am going to buy either. I tried MAya and Cinema 4d , at a shop. But since everybody recommends maya and a 6800 Gt or a quadro if you got the money.,that is. Im going abit of of topic here but if im chose cinema 4d instead , would this also require a 6800 Gt or wouild a 6600 Gt do the job?
thanks to all for replying this make thing really so mutch easier than listening to people that wants to rip you off at the strore!!
maya- 6800 GT
cinema 4d- ????????
Hi again. I told you about AMD -Winchester core based 3500+ counting on same price but better thermal and overclocking possibilities. Of course, I agree about Venice core, and dual core models, but currently don't know how they cost. Btw I agree with Hazdaz too. And one more notice, when talking of hardware: when you work in 3d software, graphic card plays main role during working (modeling), but when you render main job takes processor and RAM. He, he, he, after all confusion you'll figure that you need nothing if you can't get all, and take money and go to crazy weekend with some chicks! I am kidding.
P.S. Maybe the best is, to buy 1Gb of common Kingston RAM, and save the money until you learn some 3D. When you're starter in 3D, it is stupid to spent money on hardware before you learn it a little. Your machine with some extra RAM can serve you till that moment when you decide to start bigger projects in 3D, and when you decide to start it you'll know what hardware you need. Hope your cash will grow till then, and new hardware will certenly come, and if you buy it now, then it will be weak!
06-15-2005, 04:11 PM
Hi again !
Docaml , lol! yes i probably need some hard liquior and beer after this , thats for shure! And the chicks have to wait too, if i want to keep my scrotum intact from being smashed by my girlfriend bare hands!! Ok your last sentences made up my mind. Its so true that the hardware will be "out dated" when i finally have learnt 3d,so i have decide to spend the money on more ram and the learning curve will have to be the decider when to upgrade! Thanks to all for replying i really apprichate it ! i will take this new knowledge with me when i think of all the hardware that is being bought out in the big world , while i am having a few colds ones in the weekend.
Thanks to all of you , and see you later!!!
This forum is just great
Venice isnt that much more than the previous cores. 10.. 15 dollars at most. But a GB of RAM and a more 3D friendly video card would do you well. Heck, Just buy 1GB of ram and keep the video card and see how it does. Get a new video card if the performance doesnt suite you. The 6600GT is a pretty good card, though I've never used it on a 3D app, my 6800GT is great tho :). Use demos of all the 3D apps out there then buy when you find the right one for you, and if you're a student you can buy the academic versions for considerably less while retaining full functionality. My copy of XSI is the academic version, it is exactly like the top of the line XSI package, but I paid $400 for it ;) Lightwave I also bought academic, and it was half off the retail price. So, if you can, get academic software :) Unless of cource you have some comercial gain in mind..
06-15-2005, 04:46 PM
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