Just myself (WIP)

[JamesMarshall]

It's hard to believe that this is your first painting, or at least that you didn't find out skills from other experiments or works or painted OVER an image of yourself.

As far as crits... just that the painting is a little rough with the brush strokes, but i'm sure youll blend it all together and fix it up all nice before its done.

[MrBajt]

Yeah, i mean this is the first painting on which I'm painting more than 2 hours :D And all my other human face "studies" were made with pencil and paper... Ive been painting (more exactly : scribbling) for about 2 years, but i really got into digital things since i signed up here :)

[StylusMonkey]

can we see a reference?

[MrBajt]

Of course you can...

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005061211305049104.jpg

i wanted my painting to come as close to the original as possible... I think i have to read some hair painting tutorials :D

[StylusMonkey]

Okay, I'll be completely honest, I compared both side by side, then threw one as an overlay of the other...they are completely identical. Now, either this is a paintover, or you are the human version of a xerox machine.

I don't mean to be harsh, but don't do paintovers, they aren't a good tool for learning, its basically tracing in a program. Now you say you've been doing this what, this is your first real attempt at digital painting - imo, you need to learn the basics, and then build upon the foundation.

You're trying to design the car from the outside, without prior understanding of the inner workings - what good is that going to do for you when you dont have a reference to trace over?

Far too many people see digital art work and think "wow, that looks cool!" and then they go out with misconception that this is easy, they don't learn the groundskills, dont learn color theory, dont learn lineweight, dont learn about value and hue and saturation and chroma, dont learn about blocking complex forms with simple forms, dont learn about vanishing points, dont learn about perspective and then a few years down the track, their work is still no where near as good as it should be because they've basically skipped the foundation and gone straight to building the house on dirt.

Learn the foundation, then learn rendering, thats the advice I give you.

[ajay1589]

magic man i did the exact same thing and came to the same conclusion...

[MrBajt]

I just got the forms from by a paintover... basically i chose the colours by myself... :shrug: I think I'll just do something else 8]

€: Now, the main problem is, that i dont know what to draw 8[

€2 : I just have to say that painting is really more fun when you know what to draw and see results... Right now, i'm just sittin here staring out of the window and looking for a good idea :sad:

[StylusMonkey]

I just got the forms from by a paintover... basically i chose the colours by myself... :shrug: I think I'll just do something else 8]

€: Now, the main problem is, that i dont know what to draw 8[

€2 : I just have to say that painting is really more fun when you know what to draw and see results... Right now, i'm just sittin here staring out of the window and looking for a good idea :sad:

Smiagol, in response to your PM.

Smiagol, its great to see you take this criticism well - many people would get pissed off and just carry on with what they are doing.

Believe me, learning from the foundation is extremely fun man, there is so much to learn and its not all about drawing basical boring crap - as much as art teachers like to tell you, you can draw/paint cool shit, and still have perfect technical prowess.

In my opinion, painting is an advanced skill set that needs to come later, put aside thoughts of instant gratification and learn the skill of patience - first and foremost, artist are observers - especially if you are doing representational art, which is art that mimics reality.

If you really want to get serious about artwork, become obsessed with looking at the world around you, the world around you is an amazingly complex visual vista that takes a long time to understand, from light, shadow, form, how they all affect each other in order to show what you see every time you open your eyes.

Buy yourself a little sketchbook and start drawing the things that you see, eventually you'll come to understand proportion - the length/height/size of something in relation to something else, as well as positioning - if you mape people's faces with guidelines, you will see that almost all of them match a uniform set of guides that is simply stretched and skewed. Learn to understand these basic ideas and you'll be at least on your way.

I don't really have the time to sit down here and give an explanation from beginning to where you want to be, because there are entire college degrees dedicated to this, so my best strategy advice is:

1. observation
2. sketching with an eye to proportion, perspective, and underlying blocking structure - making sure you understand how to define with value
3. Idea generation techniques
4. color theory
5. learn the tools at your disposal, in painter or photoshop or whatever, learn the program inside out
6. painting techniques - go get yourself any one of numerous digital painting books out there
5. start painting

The thing with this is that at every stage, you will feel like a newbie and thats the hardest part, feeling like you're having to learn over and over again, at LEAST 5 times over - not to mention the sub categories like how to render different subject matter, such as organic and mechanic, and the sub categories again, animals, insects, plants, naturally occuring substances, then the sub categories again, bi peds, quadropeds...etc etc.

This is the reason why most new artists bomb out and do the "contemporary" path, of throwing down abstract shapes and colors with no rhyme or reason and trying to construct some meaning after they have thrown down something on canvas. I have nothing against that sort of art, but I really think that the technical skills or rules of classical painting should always be learned - after they are learned, then break them if you feel like it - your abstract images will still be 10x better because of this understanding.

It sounds daunting, but like anything, nothing good comes cheap, instead of looking at it like a lot of work, look at it as a journey, a journey to finding inner intrinsic satisfaction, and a journey in finding your innerself.

Good luck.

m

[derekserra]

1. observation
2. sketching with an eye to proportion, perspective, and underlying blocking structure - making sure you understand how to define with value
3. Idea generation techniques
4. color theory
5. learn the tools at your disposal, in painter or photoshop or whatever, learn the program inside out
6. painting techniques - go get yourself any one of numerous digital painting books out there
5. start painting


Any suggestions on digital painting books? Any books you would avoid?

Thanks,
Nerf

[StylusMonkey]

Any suggestions on digital painting books? Any books you would avoid?

Thanks,
Nerf

The only one I have is Don Seegmiller's two books on Character Design and Digital Painting, he has a version for both CS and Painter 7, I have both, although I havent used painter at all yet.

[MrBajt]

Thanks, man :) I'll buy me some artbooks and a sketchbook as soon as i can. You're great :D *worship*

I think i'll just post my progress here :)

[StylusMonkey]

Thanks, man :) I'll buy me some artbooks and a sketchbook as soon as i can. You're great :D *worship*

I think i'll just post my progress here :)

Do it mate, there are a lot of experienced heads here, they will guide you to be a digital jedi...or something.

[Floriz]

Your colors are amazing, very realistic and skin-like. :thumbsup:

[MrBajt]

Thanks :blush:

Here is just a sketch with a bit of coloring i did in about 30-40 mins:

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005061322450450195.jpg

I'm not happy with the mouth and the neck (did both in 3 secs :D) but with anything else im quite happy, cause its the first time i draw an head in this pose. Got me some inspiration from Andrew Loomis' books :)

[jmBoekestein]

I don't want to be rude or anything, but maybe you should work on your proportions a bit more, it doesn't look natural at all like this. You seem to be good with colours though, maybe the outlines just get in your way, just a thought. ;)

[MrBajt]

If you could say, what's wrong with the proportions, it would be great :) It looks a bit scary, but i cant find what exactly is wrong:sad:

[JamesMarshall]

The proportion is off because the placement of the facial features are very incorrect, and even the shape of the head is off.

This is a great place to start with drawing heads and getting perspective.

Heads (http://www.anticz.com/heads.htm)


Good luck and happy trails.

[hpslashluvr]

it's great to see someone take criticism well!! major props to you for that, especially at your age - ppl like that usually start flaming and ruin their reputation. i can see that you are good at choosing skin tones like jmb said. for heads, at least remember that the features tend to start around the middle of the face, and that lips don't come to points at the sides

what you started to do is a good exercise, do self portraits of yourself everyday with a mirror, not a photo reference, and you'll get hugely better.

[jmBoekestein]

I find it's the little things about human faces make them more realistic or attractive, the weight on eyelids and cheeks and lips. Here for instance the eyes are on a straight line and so is the mouth, it makes it all very incoherent and indeed the placement is wrong.

Some very good advice allready, and indeed good job taking critique like this :).

I think that when you carefully observe a lot of faces and your own very well, you'll start picking up the intricacies pretty quickly. :)

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005061421212050618.jpg

hmm... Long way to go... :shrug: I think I'll draw from now on everyday at least one face :D

[radmirg]

Just concentrate on drawing at the moment. Like someone said, take a sketchbook and draw everything, not just heads. Don't even worry about color yet, it seems that you are rushing it. It's all good mate, just patience

[MrBajt]

Hm... I would like to concentrate on one thing first... but if its better to draw everything, then okay. But then i have to go outside (*argh*) ^^. And about the color... I just wanted it with color... hmm.. loooong way to go :D

[hpslashluvr]

i dunno, i think it's possible to work on color and anatomy at the same time. you need to shorten your faces. just take the area from the bridge of the nose to the part where the "bobble" of the nose starts...cut that part out. it should look much better.

[beelow]

Learn to control your lines, you don't want to do the etchy sketchy thing. try to do long lines. Learn with the pencil first. Try taking some life drawing sessions; that should help out with your understanding of anatomy. Having a teacher over your shoulders should help. Thiw would be my first suggestion. here is one of the best life drawing artist to learn from if you do not want to do the classes. His name is Glenn Vilppu.

http://www.vilppustudio.com/

Try to get reference images too, that should help as well.

Life drawing will help with you speed and confidence in laying down a drawing with ease it will take a long time of training. Plan on doing this for the rest of you life, because with drawing you are always learning something new, keep doing it I have confidence in you. I hope this helps out with your studies...Holla!:thumbsup:

[MrBajt]

hm... I think i cant take lessons, cause there's no artschool or smoething like that anywhere near. And i would like to teach myself how to draw if its possible, cause i dont like being watched while drawing. But if it makes such a difference, i will look for a school that offers art lessons ;)

[hpslashluvr]

hmm actually a lot of life drawing sessions don't have an instructor and ppl just draw for themselves...so you wouldn't be stalked or anything x.x;; and they can sometimes be cheap. but if no one hosts them around you, that could be a problem. on the other hand, you can go stalk ppl at coffeeshops and draw them for practice (secretly, of course).

[yulias]

http://www.saveloomis.org/

that should get you started on anatomy. your colouring is good, but the rest needs work. heres a page from loomis that helped me http://www.saveloomis.org/headhands/21.htm

you need to start working with a reference. in fact, paint your reference upside down (one of the reasons to work from photos before from the mirror). you will notice more that way. if you want to get the technical stuff down pat, i suggest you buy drawing on the right side of the brain (20 to 30 dollars), and the drawing on the right side of the brain work book(same price). it doesnt matter what you use as a medium, but these two books should be read by every self taught artist in my opinion. also, dont neglect learning about backgrounds. there are tons and tons of books on that.

im very impressed with the way you take critiques. if you need any help ill give you a red line or something. good luck

[MrBajt]

First, today's head :D

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005061521253351219.jpg


@ yulias : I knew loomis before, and i drew my heads after his guides ;) (english is terrbile °_o) And thanks that y'all are impressed i dont start flaming, its hard being normal under this huge amount of 1337 haxx0rs xD

@ hpslashluvr : Ye... i will stalk strange people at the coffeshop ^^° I think ill like that :D

[hpslashluvr]

much better. like someone said before, try using more confident lines. it's ok if they still show up underneath the main drawing. i would work mostly on your eyes first, remember that they don't come to points at the sides, and that there is a round eye underneath, and sometimes a shadow under the top lid onto the eye. eyes are the most expressive to me, so that's just my pov x.x;;

edit: oh, and about flaming...you don't understand how many ppl are young on these forums...you say something like "work on the hair" - which is a critique, not an insult - and they basically start cussing out everyone. or refuse to listen to any advice. at your age, you are very mature, i just have to say. of course, i'm not that much older, but still =P

[MrBajt]

The shading wasn meant to be that real, it should only represent the 'main' shading. And the lines... hmm... i tried it, but... hm... :shrug: Ill practise it ;)

And about the head's anatomy: I drew it like Loomis said, and then i cut off the middle of the head... I dont think this is basically right :D Ill post tomorrow something with construction lines in it ;)

P.S.: Thank you very much =) But about me being very mature: You should see me at school ^^°

P.P.S.: English is much worse than German 8-B

[StylusMonkey]

Alright, its nice to see some good progress already - being used to seeing people get frustrated and quitting, this is quite a nice change.

I'll give you a helping hand Smiagol, here are a couple of ways to measure out the features of a face - there are established ways and you can also find your own ways, these are two that I use regularly - also notice where the horizontal lines are - there are three main horizontals, one for the eyes, the nose and the mouth, the rough estimates are:

1. Eyes roughly about middle of the oval representing the head.
2. Nose is halfway between the chin and the eyes.
3. Mouth is roughly around middle of the nose and the chin.

Its pretty much half, then half again, then half again.

Have fun, we'll be watching your progress young padawan ;)

http://www.users.on.net/~bobbyeow/ZiggyWar/Guide.jpg

[MrBajt]

Hey Thanks man, ill draw today something with visible guidelines for you to critizise, great help :bowdown:

[StylusMonkey]

lol, the word you want is "critique" not "criticise" heh.

the difference?

a. critique: "that looks good, so does that...but that looks incorrect as does that, fix those up and we'll be on our way"

b. criticise: "that looks crap, kill yourself"

[MrBajt]

heh, i meant criticise :D

(english is horrible ~~)

[hpslashluvr]

thank you, mr dictionary.

while it's good to use guidelines, make sure not to rely TOO heavily on it...i know ppl who measure out everything to a t and their drawings look really stiff.

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005061621043751667.jpg

well... anything to say? :D

[hpslashluvr]

try front poses and profile poses also btw. it may be easier and will build a foundation towards 3/4 poses...those are hard for a lot of people. i think the features could be put slightly lower on the head...the eyes need to have more depth to them (which doesn't require shading, just look at the structure more). the nose - i still suck at these so i can't help you too much but if you look at any anatomy book they will be able to break it down into planes for you. the lips need to have less definition, lips are mostly hinting at what's there. i think maybe you would see less of the right (ours) eye because the nose bridge going to the eyebrow would cover up a tiny portion.

i'm sure that all didn't make sense. sorry. x.x;; keep working at it! and call me a freak but those sketchy lines just scream no confidence to me. nothing wrong with sketchy or placement lines but it's really a matter of economy...take all these tips with a grain of salt, cuz i'm working on faces too.

http://img208.echo.cx/img208/9246/line0uc.jpg
btw i hope this doesn't post like 8x. stupid server...x.x;;

[MrBajt]

There is no confidence in my paintings... always when im trying to do just one line instead of ten, it looks very ... err... shaky or something °_o (cant get the english adjective T_T ).. These lines give me in fact more sureness (... why the **** does the english language have 25 different words for in fact one german word...) Hm, whatever

P.S.: Hope my english teacher doesnt read this post xD

[MVDB]

Your doing a great job!
"confidence", that's what ya need, this will come! All in good time.. Practice, practice, practice... And when you outlines are going faster and cleaner(sharper), the confidence comes with it!
Keep it up! :)

[hpslashluvr]

i assume you've been drawing on the comp...why don't you draw traditionally and take a pic/scan it in? that way it's a lot easier to draw.

lol, and about english...i say screw german AND english, they have conjugation, chinese doesn't bother. :D

[MrBajt]

hmmm.. we'll see on monday, at this weekend im at my grandparent's so, cu :wavey:

Dont be surprised when im not posting tomorrow ;)

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005061723542452211.jpg

Hey, i eventually got somethin ready to be criticised :D I tried to do some long lines, but... humm... :shrug: You see what i came up with (i learn more english here than in school :D )

[hpslashluvr]

better. put eyes lower. lips higher. more jaw. i'm prolly wrong :)

[StylusMonkey]

Alright smiagol, I think you're still getting ahead of yourself - imo, the best way to learn about something is to learn it from the inside out, since you seem to enjoy drawing faces, I'd suggest learning how to first sketch a skull - and not paint it - so that you will then understand where to place the correct bumps.

So I'm giving you a damn assignment! ;)

Here is the side profile of a skull, I want you not to copy it, but to start by roughing out the general sillouette (or outline) of the skull, drawing the reference grids plotting the major shapes that you can see, then post it - to show you what I mean, I'll demonstrate (BUT DONT COPY MINE!!! Work off the skull pic).

Now, use the skull as a REFERENCE - NOT as a photoshop/painter underlay. Do not trace it - learn to train your eye-obervation-hand co-ordination to work in tandem so that you can transfer what you see, into your brain onto paper or whatever you are working on. Tracing improves NONE of that, which is why it is so shunned in the art community, it takes no skill at all.

This is the reference:

http://www.biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Labs/Anatomy_&_Physiology/A&P201/Skeletal/skull/skull_R_PA230105.JPG

Now this is my base sketch - and should be the generall be the first step in creating any artwork, unless you are a seasoned professional like Sparth or Mullins.

We'll build on top of this when you're done - now giddyup! I did this in photoshop in about 30 seconds, so its purpose is composition and proportion, we're not worried about value or hue just yet, and line quality doesn't matter either, just get that sketch working, erase if you need:

http://www.users.on.net/~bobbyeow/ZiggyWar/Skull1.jpg

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005061809433552283.jpg

like this? :shrug:

[hpslashluvr]

more or less. i think the eye is a bit off though.

magicman is so nice! ^^

[StylusMonkey]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005061809433552283.jpg

like this? :shrug:

Heh, I am nice? =)

Not bad Smiagol, but try it another couple of times, drawing is a motor skill, the more you do it, the more you will learn and the better the muscle memory. You're still missing the temple cavity as well as the cheekbone cavity. Study the skull before you try to imagine what it looks like in your head, reference often.

I will say that this sketch is still to "careful" - if you know what I mean. Look at mine and study it a little more, see how I take big fat broad strokes? I don't care too much if I make a mistake - a lot of my lines are still falling off and on, but essentially the shape is still here.

Again, look at where I put thos reference lines, always always always use reference lines, the only way something will look right is if everything is in the correct proportion and distance from the other objects - such as ears, eyes, etc. Have a look at where the bottom of the eye socket lies in relation to the overall skull, in relation to the nose hole, in relation to the jawline, and the ear holes, etc.

Try again, then try again - you will start to see an improvement after a few tries at the same subject matter.

m

[mic]

One way to improve line quality is to practice gesture. "The natural way to draw" by Nicolaides explains gesture very well... What u can do to practice is to draw the gesture of things with only one line... do not lift your pencil/pen/whatever u draw with. In gesture drawings, you are not looking for form or contour, but what is the object doing. I'm no good at explaining things so you should get the book. Other books that you might want to take a look at is: Charles Bargue and Jean-Leon Gerome: Drawing Course ; and The Practice and Science of Drawing by Harold Speed.

Other things you can do is Bargue drawings... check this thread out for more info: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12104

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005061922112753194.jpg

hmmm.. better? ^^°

P.S.: Thanks a lot (mic,) magic man and hpslashluvr :bowdown: You helped me a lot :D

[hpslashluvr]

your lines are slightly better...but examine how magic man does his...maybe you guys do the same amt of lines but his are longer, more confident (although this does not mean press harder)...much more efficient. it's hard to explain, and comes with practice.

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005062020192553650.jpg

Did *many* sketches today, had a visit to the dentist today (?), and took my sketchbook with me. :)

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005062122425154309.jpg

just tried somethin today... nothing special, tried to define the structure clearly... Crit the shit out of it =D :D

[jmBoekestein]

That's a lot better, allthough the shapes aren't vivid, the detail is roughing out, anatomically. Studying is goooood, studying is your friend :)...:surprised...can't believe I just said that.

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005062222163454888.jpg

hey, even 2 sketches today :D

the right one is terrible :surprised:

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005062320552755376.jpg

and today's one :>

Now i know what i missed... the ear :surprised:

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005062421372156067.jpg

today's 'study', an arm and two hands :D

[jmBoekestein]

YES!!! That's it!

If youjust keep studying these things, you'll understand what to paint. :) No more from me. :D

[budji]

I've seen this thread from the beggining, and I've been seeing that you have made several progress. You are going very well with the skin tones, but your way too sketch is a bit hard i think (your pencil strokes look very hard and dark), do you use a mouse or a tablet? I Thought that you could, take a look into the preferences of your brush strokes, and activate pressure on, so your lines get more smooth, and when you finish the sketch for coloring try to clean the outline and do just one line.

In this face drawing, I would sugest that you do the chin more rounded and less off the face, just do it a smaller.

keep working and you'll get there.

[MrBajt]

Thanks, guys :bowdown:

here's another piece :D

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005062623201557243.jpg

P.S.: Forgot to say: Can anyone give me some advice on how to draw with photoshop ? (correct english? ^^) I really dont get along with it. I 'know' how to draw with painter (at least a bit), mixing colors, etc. But you cant get that in ps. so... :shrug:

[xric7]

wow....interesting thread1many tutors here.love love.:arteest:
good luck to u,Smiagol.enjoy drawing.cheers.

P.S.: Forgot to say: Can anyone give me some advice on how to draw with photoshop ? (correct english? ^^) I really dont get along with it. I 'know' how to draw with painter (at least a bit), mixing colors, etc. But you cant get that in ps. so... :shrug:

i use ps but my Eng=f.sorry.:blush:

[Kitami]

Hi, I have been a silent reader for some time now, now I registered after reading this thread for one reason. I really see how you are progressing in your skill and I want to say I admire that. And I am alot like you I think in the way my drawing skills are right now, I love to paint but I had a art teacher sometime ago who told me just what "Magic" told you, told me to wait and learn the basics...

so now I suck in every advice as a sponge, I myself are far too nervous show my own work.. so I think your brave and you are doing a great work! keep it up!! :)

[StylusMonkey]

Smiagol, sorry I haven't been back for a while work has gotten super hectic and I'm also spending whatever time I have on my own projects, but its nice to see you progressing and keeping at it. Starting to see that you are observing proportion now which is good and as much as you like it, stay away from the color until later.

One particular school of thought thinks in this progression: drawing -> value -> color, if you get your values correct, color is very difficult to f*ck up. You must learn to make your drawing sing, look back over my previous post about how to progress and it will make more and more sense as you pick up more and more skills.

Drawing in photoshop takes some practice, but the secret is to learn how to use the different types of brushes - to be honest, I think photoshop has a much better and more ergonomic layout than painter, the only think I see painter having an advantage over photoshop with is the brush algorithms which are in many cases impossible to mimic in their operation style (although you can still attain a similar if not exact outcome in various ways but doesn't feel as "physical" as painter).

m

[MrBajt]

heey, thanks a lot xric7 Kitami and magic man :D :D

Today some progress : From the bone structure to the leg (hmm.. my first leg ;) )

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005062822381858431.jpg

I got many ideas for pictures, but i'm too unskilled to realize them... maybe ill post some concept tomorrow, so be afraid ^^°

P.S.: Kitami and magic man, your posts gave me some extra motivation today :D

[Miak]

Hey :) I'm new to this thread, and I think that this is the best thread on the whole wide forum.. No, for real, you guys are just great :) starting with the masters and coming down to the apprentice... :) (star wars has great influence on us geeks...) Just wanted to say, I'm in this one, because I have to study some figure drawings myself (never had anatomy at school :p)

I'm working in photoshop, just began to do it a while back ago, still learning, and would it bother anyone here if from time to time I jumped in with a question or two about similar stuff like these here? :) Hope not :D Really love the thread!

Cheers!

[StylusMonkey]

Just wanted to say, if any of you guys are working on anatomy at the moment, I'd strongly suggest posting in Rebecca's thread, she has awesome tips for everyone.

[MrBajt]

@ Miak: Hey, good to see someone else having same problems :D

@ magic man: I think I stick to this thread.. hm, maybe later ;)

P.S.: I like that voodo-pirate-style from Monkey Island, so I think I'll examine this style a little further ;)

[MrBajt]

Heeeya!

Haven't been able to draw for a few days, school has become so hectic at the end of the year (that makes no sense, but, whatever ^^). Anyways, here is a new one :>

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005070422362762439.jpg

Just another head. Tried to add hair; think it turned out pretty good (hehe, self-praise is no praise ( ? ) :) )

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005070522362863030.jpg

aaaaaand a new one :D

[StylusMonkey]

well done, I can see the improvement already, just keep remembering that the head is a 3d object, and as you turn it, the lines will curve with it - as I can see you doing, try reducing the eyeline lower, the nose is still too long and allow for more chinspace.

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005070623083863657.jpg

First attempt to paint a woman... :D

[jkozniewski]

Huh..

Your getting better and better man...
Of course it's faaarrrr form perfection but you seem to
make quite fast progress...

Next thing that you have to learn is that eyes are not
flat surfaces glued to the head. They are spheres so
all shapes should be much more curved...

Also, curves of the bottom eyelids are always less
bended than the curves of upper ones...

Keep working !
It really make sense !

[boboa4eva]

I just gotta say, this Thread has really helped me. Before
i really suck at drawing heads, but now after reading
this thread. And with somepracticing. i'v gotten
alittle better. but i still got alot of work ahead of me.
I just wanted to stop by and say THX for the help.

[eight272]

Just got to say, this is what really makes this whole community awesome...

Been reading through this thread and two things spring to mind -
1] How effective the community is for learning, i've picked up many a tip just from this thread and I'm just on the sidelines looking in.
2] Smiagol, for the age you are and your ability to take the advice given...I forsee you becoming a great artist.

...Star Wars is in us all, somewhere...somehow...

Keep on cracking away at it Smiagol it comes to those willing to put in the hours.

For my advice, if its worth a dam...you can't beat a life drawing class...

[Nerd_Pack]

Definitely good progress going on here, congrats!

My advice, if you really want to draw faces that look more realistic, start breaking it up into pieces. I found my greatest progress so far when I started just doing eyes, or mouths (mouthses lol, whatever plural is) ears, etc. Really digging in deep and working on proportions of all those little details really really helps a ton.

Good luck!!

[MrBajt]

heyheyhey, great comments here :D

@ jkozniewski: I worked at the eyes somewhat more, especially in today's sketch :>

@ boboa4eva: great that it helped you :D

@ Saqqaramedia: that's what i wanted to hear ;) :D I want to spent more time on drawing, but school... :\ btw: I think i want to work in the cg industry later on, its a LOT of fun :D

@ jrainwat: hm, tried it too, i think ill post some noses and such, but i read your post to late :\ ^^

and todays one:

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005070723082464356.jpg

[StylusMonkey]

Jesus Smiagol, getting much better, soon yo'll be teaching me ;)

At this stage, I'd still recommend looking at the internal structure of the skull to give you a proper idea of where to place the ear hole and thus the ear. For facial structure, i recommend you study a few pictures of people's faces and understand that it is the minor imperfectons that really give people their individual looks, how to their lips look, how does the eye skin fold, how much do their nostrils flare, etc.

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005071023134866440.jpg

hey dudes, i dont have much time, just post this pic ;)

tomorrow i'll comment some more :D

[Imagus]

Just wanted to pop in and say that this thread has reinforced my decision to join and post on these boards. It's great to see someone who has limited/no access to formal art training able to get help from more experienced artists, as Smiagol has in this thread.

This is what an online community is all about.

To Smiagol... As someone who has done a lot of head-and-shoulder portraits/imagination drawing, I empathize with your situation. You've got the right attitude for learning, and it's showing through in both people's responses and your own work. The first, and toughest, step towards improvement is realizing your own shortcomings. After that, you free yourself to improve on them. And you've made great progress thus far.

For what it's worth, I've found that progression in drawing tends to work in "stages". That is, your drawing quality will tend to gradually improve for a while, then something will "click", and your drawing will jump to a whole new level.

If possible, keep all of your old drawings. Looking back on past work can show how your drawing has improved over time, as improvement is often so gradual that it is hard to see drawing-to-drawing. And, sometimes, it can remind you of something you used to do, but have neglected in more recent work.

Don't give up and, above all else, keep on drawing!:thumbsup:

[MrBajt]

noow, what i want(ed) to say (yesterday) :

@ Imagus: Thanks so much :) I really didnt think of (?) this thread becoming such a This-is-what-is-community-all-about thread :D I cant comment on all you've said now (though i'd like to :blush: ), but i can say that of course ill keep drawing ;)

In general: This weekend i didnt have much time for drawing. But from now on school is (almost) over, so i can draw muuuch more :D I think ill draw some noses and mouthses ( ;) ) and ears and such as jrainwat said, and i think ill study some faces and skulls and such stuff as magicman said :)

Keep on posting :buttrock:

P.S: And i want to thank all of you who posted in this thread. Biiig thanks =D

[PixelFloss]

This is my first post in cgtalk and I'm really impressed with the level of support to the new artists :eek: . This and Rebecca's series are the top reasons i registered.

Smiagol, congrats on the great progress so far. So, keep up and it will pay back :)

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005071119052066921.jpg

Today's studies :> Now im gonna study some "real" faces ;)

[Loulu79]

Wow Smiagol....apparently...besides taking on crits like a true artist and improving tremendously ... your facial parts look great...

Now if only you can put two and two together...on a face...my suggestion (and I think someone did mentioned here, so let me strengthen that again)...is to take your sketchbook and draw everyday people...

What I do out of habit is to draw them imaginatively...or take my hand and feel the real face and body...

I don't want to encourage you to get an artist's book and copy their style of drawing....but I have with me one of the best anatomy for the artist book. You can order it at amazon.com.

Try this book (It's very, very helpful for both beginners and pros):

Anatomy for the Artist (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/078948045X/qid=1121102738/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-1919494-4944736)

[MrBajt]

@ Loulu79: Hmm... I'll look at this book a bit closer, but im presently out of money ;)

Tried something *different* today with some anatomy of the body :)

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005071218113567650.jpg

[Nerd_Pack]

Smaigol--

I'm pretty new to this whole thing, too, you definitely need to check out the Anatomical forum in here, it's amazing. The lessons are really good to learn anatomy and drawing.

In there (I'm not in the mood to link, but you should be looking at them anyway) there's a forum about master references and links in there to andy Loomis books, you have to check these out. or go to www.saveloomis.com (http://www.saveloomis.com).

These books have helped tremendously and I'm sure they'll come in handy for you too (free!)

Good luck!

[MrBajt]

Heh, i know this site, i drew everything like loomis says ;) I think i check out the new forum soon :)

[Loulu79]

Your latest one looks very very good compared to the others...

Not enough money for it eh? Hmmm...Well my suggestion as for now is to go and check out Rebecca's forum, here (http://www.cgtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=177)

That outta encourage you...hers is just as good and you have many others in your situation.

I might as well join for the sake of practise...

Save money for this book (not that expensive anyway) and keep up working on this Smiagol

[MrBajt]

http://uploads.bardiir.de/2005071321470368834.jpg

hmm... looked at some tutorials and proportion-showing-images ( :D ) and i think i *fixed* something... either i fixed something or it looks worse now ^^

@Loulu79: hmm .. Every1 says : go to rebecca's forum NOW >:O >:O ! ... I think i really should get in there :D

[Elsie]

I've been watching this thread since it started, and, being someone who is not much older than smiagol (I'm 16) I found it very encouraging to find experienced artists "descending" to help the beginners. I'm hellbent on getting better, and I can say I've learnt a lot from this thread, and I just wanted to pop in and says thanks :) (er, if anyone feels like offering another beginner some advice, you know where I am :P)

Smiagol - everyones said so, you're getting better and better. It's really quite astonishing how much you've improved in such a short time! Good luck man!

[jmBoekestein]

I gotta add to that this is a perfect example of diligent study actually geting you somewhere.

The progress is obvious. :thumbsup: nice to have been seeing this.

[MrBajt]

heh, You're encouraging (?) me very much (?? :D), thanks a lot :). Above, there are two versions of one picture. Which one is the better one? i didnt use any reference (too lazy :D), and i dont know whats wrong/how it turned out. Some crits please ;)

P.S.: English is terrible ._.

[Loulu79]

The last one :)

[Sexy Girl]

what tha.... is that:shrug: ???

[MrBajt]

heh, that is meant to be some praying guy :D ;)

I didnt post for a long time, but i drew many things of course (practising, practising, practising ... ;) ).

This is the best one i've drawn since my last post i think :

P.S.: Do you understand me ? :D

[quigly]

The left eye facing me or right eye of the face is a bit to flat.

[umbrellasky]

I really like the skin tones. I think it's a little flat though. You could do with some shading to emphasise the cheek bones. He doesn't seem to have eyelids either, maybe some shaded to shape thoughs, like under the eye and above. Nice work though :)

[MrBajt]

I think it looks a (very little) bit better now ;)
€: argh, forgot about the cheekbone-shading... fix that later :blush:

[hpslashluvr]

hey dude! long time no see

for the praying thing, i liked the first one btw ^^ looks more thoughtful

as for the last one, look at the hair color a bit...it looks a bit dirty, i would look at more ref photos of that kind of stuff maybe. watch the way his hair is parting, and make it have more volume...even if it is nasty and dirty it would flow more naturally than it is right now.

the face is also really flat, but i'm sure someone has addressed that...i think white ppls tend to have sort of a dip between the eyes at the nose....i forget the name....maybe the bridge of the nose lol, but you seem to be missing that.

i would make the actual color part of the eyes bigger so that there is not so much white showing...and don't make the eyes so pointy perhaps on the edges...

take all these with a grain of salt...it's 7 AM here in the morning ^^

[MrBajt]

weelll... I havent been here for 7 months, and in this time i practised a lot and thought about ,like, this whole artist thing. Now, i think it is so much fun to draw and to paint, so that i think about studying it... Like, 3d animation and such ;). I hope im talented enough to do this :blush: So i practice more and more to be able to draw like the great artist here in cgtalk some time ...(far far faaaaaaar away :grin: ) :) Additionaly, i began to practice with photoshop a bit, and this is my first attempt to create a face in ps 7 :

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1118/unbenanaswerdasdasdnt1kopie5zs.png

Things to fix :

The mouth looks kinda weird. I worked on it a lot, but this is the best result i came up with :(

The hair needs to be more detailed. I think its a thing for itself to practise drawing hair.

The neck looks also kinda funny... hummm... :shrug:

well, just say something about it please :)

Cu

[MrBajt]

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2416/unbeasdasdasdnaaasdasdsdasdnnt.png

today its just an outline, but i'll colour it somewhen ... i hope... ^^°

Just trying to keep this thread alive :D

[MrBajt]

Even if no one is answering, ill just keep on showing you my work, in case that someone descends to answer me ^^ (?)

Faces get a bit boring by the time, so i just drew this for fun and refreshing... its not a real painting, i dont know what to call it... i think its a "painted collage" or something ^^


http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2213/unbasfasfunaidfgusfenannt1kopi.png

P.S.: Ill edit the link to the "reference" (the photo i painted over O_o) later :)

(if the image doesnt show up : http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2213/unbasfasfunaidfgusfenannt1kopi.png)

[yulias]

keep at it. have you ever tried matte painting? i think its what your doing... at least from what i know of it

[MrBajt]

Well, i've heard of it and i am fascinated, i ordered d'artiste Matte Painting :bounce:... but i want to draw "real" , too , but for variety i get one closer look at matte painting . *coughs*

Here is are links to the main photos from the image above :

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/20923533/
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/2811060/


As i just drew this for fun and linked back to the image, i hope they dont consider this as stealing their pictures... whatever :)

Cu and thanks for posting =D

[MrBajt]

http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/7972/unbasfasfunasdasdasdsaasdasdas.png

mhm, i think i call it "finished" now ^^ As said, just a for fun project ;)

And d'artiste Matte Painting is absolutely overwhelming stunning.. wish i could draw only half as good as they do , and that's already very unrealistic :bowdown:

[MrBajt]

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/971/ufnbeasdgasdasdnannt13fn.png

some 40 min doodle :)

[hpslashluvr]

hey,

i just got a matte painting dvd too! post some more if you have some ^^

i would try to use a larger brush for sketchy paintings. you might want to dl some new brushes too.

just keep posting, don't worry if ppl don't respond ;)

[MrBajt]

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/3346/untitlsed18xq.png
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/487/1untitlasddfgggged12zy.png

Thanks for replying , hpslashluvr :)
I wanted to do some Color Practising with reference, and then some Matte Painting again, its just fascinating :grin: But today i just did two doodles with some brush practising (Thanks to Goros Brushes :bowdown: ) ^^

[hpslashluvr]

i think the ears might be further back (could be wrong). are you using ps?

anyways i think with the bristle brushes you should paint on a larger canvas perhaps so the brush strokes are still there but smaller.

[MrBajt]

Well, about the ears, i think i have to practise them at least once ;) ^^°

And i just loooove the bristle brush (i love all brushes in goros set), and this was just a brush test, not a real painting/sketch ^^ ;)


P.S.: Yes, I'm using ps cs

[hpslashluvr]

haha i love them too, they're really good for painting hair.

[MrBajt]

Yeah, but not only for hair, its just fun painting with it (I'm weird :buttrock: ). Here are some anatomy sketches done with pencil, scanned and cleaned up with photoshop :)


http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/3215/untitleasdasdasdadsdddd13kt.png
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/3341/untitleasdasdd12jv.png
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5412/ufffffffffsssssssntitled24pf.png

[hpslashluvr]

i'd be a little more thoughtful about how you place your lines. while i like the sketchy look that you have going on, a lot of it seems randomly scribbled. just my two cents. you might've already but you should post this stuff in the anatomy forums for critiques.

[MrBajt]

Well, its not meant to be just the outlines, i try to stick to the anatomy... so its meant to be shaded... But i know i have to make less lines ;) Thanks for the advice :)

[MrBajt]

http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/1598/uasdsasdddddntitled4kopie2ns.png

Now, here is just an environemental concept, inspired by the stairway before (? O_o) my piano teacher's room :)

[beelow]

Try to experiment with, custom brushes, and try to make a new set for yourself, continue to experiment, which helps in your understanding in doing textures and stuff. Also make loose freeflowing long strokes, using your elbow not your wrist, use that for detail, lay basic shapes and recognize everythying that you draw as that. You are doing good so far, keep going dude!:thumbsup:

[MrBajt]

Thanks beelow, i tried to use some custom brushes from goro ( :bowdown: ) for this WIP. Its the well known "in the woods" or something ;)

http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/6163/unbenagggnasfasfsfnt1kopie8os.png

At least i got some ideas for my next "studies", so no wondering about the motive (leastwise (O_o) the next 3 times ;) )

€ : i just realize... maybe there is too much texture ? ^^°

[MrBajt]

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7679/cvbcvbcvbcvb9uh.gif


... Waitin for the presents ... :D (its animated :eek: , two different "lightnings", one normal and one slightly purple :eek: )

[MrBajt]

Some 20 min doodles with Open Canvas. Even saved the event files, so if anyone wants to see them... ( :o :P )

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/971/asdasdffff8wo.jpg

http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/6897/dededededede9mr.jpg

P.S. : The one above is also made with OC

[Loulu79]

http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/7972/unbasfasfunasdasdasdsaasdasdas.png

mhm, i think i call it "finished" now ^^ As said, just a for fun project ;)

And d'artiste Matte Painting is absolutely overwhelming stunning.. wish i could draw only half as good as they do , and that's already very unrealistic :bowdown:

Wow Smaigol:eek:

I see I found your greatest weakness and strength right here on this thread (hahaha :p).

Your obvious weakness is the human anatomy...which fortunately you're improving a lot on...as long as you continue with this.

Your obvious strong point is landscaping...

I can tell that's a copy of someone else's work (tsktsk). Someone would call it plagerism. But who's looking, eh?
:shrug: ;)

However, I can share with you a rEAl photo of fantastic sunsets (which I shot w/ digital camera...) and the sort...just give me a hollar and I'll share one with you. REal pics Smaigol.

;)

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE
:wip:

Edit : Oh btw, do you have a digital camera, or has a friend whom you can borrow one? I suggest to take pics of both landscapes and people. That way you can hook them up on your computer and study them.

Just my brand new shiny two cents. ;)

[TheGameMaker]

some question: i cant see your pics... need a Password and a username.... why?? where to register???
TGM

[hpslashluvr]

it's not plagarism, it's matte painting ^^

your anatomy is getting much better!

[yulias]

you've improved so much! maan

you might want to concider going to the anatomy forum, its great fun :P

[MrBajt]

so much replies :eek: :eek:

@Loulu79 : well, i'm not that happy with the picture, as you cant see really whats going on, additionaly the lightning is f***ed up ^^. But thanks for encouraging. I'm really trying to improve on human anatomy. And yes, i've got a digital camera, but the batterys dont last very long, so i can only take five pictures or so... gotta see whats wrong ;) Have to use it more often :)

@ TheGameMaker: Yeah, thats because my old pictures where hosted at bardiir.de. The owner changed now, and he put a password on his server. So ju cant see my old pictures, im afraid :( I think about hosting them on a new server, but that would be so much work... 8[

@ hpslashluvr : Thank you very much :thumbsup:

@ yulias : Thanks ;) . I have doubts about going to the anatomy forum, i consider myself to be too bad to go there :( Too many wonderful artists there ;)

Thanks everyone sooo much for replying :love::applause:

[yulias]

go into the beginners lounge if your afraid of doing the workshops, but seriously it will make you better.

btw try painting your faces upsidedown from photos. (look at the photo upside down and paint it upside down) you wont use symbols that way.

[MrBajt]

Interesting idea... Have to try it out :). And i'm even afraid of going into the Beginner's Lounge :D


Have to get over my shame :eek: :D

[Loulu79]

[QUOTE=hpslashluvr]it's not plagarism, it's matte painting ^^

Oh really!:eek: Matte painting?!? Gee I'm sorry for my ignorance. Please forgive me. :(

Smiagol: I do apologize for believing that's plagerism...I'm no Matte painting expert. Anyways I'm at home right now...I have some pics for you to at least try out....well...yes I know you want to focus more on the human anatomy...but do other stuff...that might help and boost your confidence...who knows. ;)

Edit/Update: What's the point in doing a post reply...when I can do this:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/Loulu79/000_0132.jpg

[Loulu79]

Okay the first one was sooooooooo big that I had to post like this:



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/Loulu79/000_0278.jpg

[Loulu79]

Yeah these are one of the best ones so far. If you want more Smiagol...there's plenty...most of these pics are where I work, breathe and live...these are pics I use for refs.

Surprisingly they are actually helping me out with my anatomy. Like I said earlier...you can learn a lot from other different scenes. That's my truth. ;)

[MrBajt]

Thank you very much... more would be neat, maybe try it with thumbnails ? :D ;)

[Loulu79]

Oh...okay...I'll see about thumbnails...later :arteest:

Which type would you like? I've got skyscapes, seascapes and more ships... :arteest:

Oooo...btw: That ship was the ship they used in Pirates of the Caribbean.

Isn't that cool! And I used this ship for ship refs....the captain even let me go on board for free! :applause:

[MrBajt]

geee... cool :applause:

I would like more seascapes, and landscapes, and ships... so, everything 8]. But firstly sea/landscapes ;) Thank you very much :)

here is some nude painting ( :-X ) with ref included


http://images1.pictiger.com/images/b3/26731e0fba28e7339651fdbf06edd5b3.png


It took far too long , and it didnt turn out that good :\

whatever ;)

€ : some little corrections, felt like the torso was to long

[Euphrosyne]

This model has a wonderful figure. I don't know why you shortened the figures torso it just doesn't look right. Also take a good look at the hips they are to heavy and the ankles are to slim. The waist is to thick and she has a soft body so the ab muscles would not be prominent like this. I don't mean to be so critical but she looks so wonderful and curvy that it seems a shame to change her this way. Keep practicing it is a good start.

[MrBajt]

I'm very sorry that i defaced her in that way 8[. I tried the very best i could, maybe it looks a bit better now ? :(

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8468/unbfgeaknannt1kopie8ad.png

I tried to correct all the faults you've mentioned ;) Thank you :)

[Loulu79]

Oooh...oh I hope this works now...it's been awhile since I last did such...attachments.:blush: Bear with me...

These are just a few...I'm doing them a few at a time...to avoid being overwhemed ... as well as I for finding ways of putting these huges pics up...:thumbsup:

Ya like 'em?:bounce: That's where I live.

Edit: I just did some studying over your work...it's excellent...but like the rest of us...you need comments...

If you don't understand my handwriting...tell me.

So far so good Smaigol!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/Loulu79/HelpSmaigol.jpg

[MrBajt]

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1653/unbfgeanannbnbnt1kopie3po.png

I tried to fix the things you mentioned / drawn, but i couldnt manage everything (like the tilt of the head, the arch,... ) , as I have my room renovated these days. So i dont think i will have much time to draw in the next few days :((

P.S.: Thanks for the pictures ;) They're nice for sky reference/water reference... I would like a bit more landscapes, but keep on posting them :) I appreciate them :thumbsup:

[MrBajt]

some matte painting :bounce: I think about adding more buildings perhaps ? ;)

http://images1.pictiger.com/images/ab/8afc0091b32d98a7f1f88506bc4aceab.2.png

Matte (kindof :\ )

http://images1.pictiger.com/images/58/ee7db6a4bce31621713674d1f8a03458.png

Original :)

Just for change ;)

[MrBajt]

http://images1.pictiger.com/images/7f/ebe959bc30d01e16c0f8bcd8fdc18d7f.png

:shrug: The image above looked better... Thinking about posting it in the finished section :shrug:

[Loulu79]

On the building and rocks...give more detail. The building's lights need to glow...much brighter than that...after all it's in the dark... ;)

Hey Smiagol...I was really thinking I should share with you my favorite pics I got from google...Mine's more on seascapes and skyscapes...but not landscapes.

Would you like that too?

Edit: Come to think of it...the moon's the best one...texture and all. It's the bomb, Smiagol. Balance that for the rest.

[MrBajt]

Thanks Loulu for posting :)

I would like that, too ;) Would be cool :)

Heres the new version, worked on what you said and replaced the building ( looked awful ~~)

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3362/605dfdf027dkopie0gg.png

[Loulu79]

At first, I was going to give them to you the big version like before I did attachments. Please forgive me Smiagol:blush:

:lightbulb Why don't you look at Scifi illustrations on the net? Yours is similar. Or anytype of building that has almost like yours...?

[MrBajt]

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/5407/unbenanntcvcv1kopie7go.png

I'm sorry i didnt post for such a "long" while, my room is being renovated and i had some trouble now, but i think i'll find more time to draw the next days. I just drew the torso so that this post isnt totally senceless :p ;)

@ Loulu79 : Thanks for the pics, will be good for ref :) I just search more buildings, if you accidentally happen to find them, you know where to post ;) :D

[Loulu79]

Cool!

Yeah...work on both human anatomy and nature Anatomy...hehe...just continue.:)

[MrBajt]

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/6940/werkzeugspitzenwerkzeugkopie8y.png

I did this by using Linda Bergkvist's colour tutorial. I'm not that happy with it, but well, I hope to improve ;)

[Loulu79]

Eheh...under which section is Linda's tutorial? I tried to find it everywhere...

This work is not bad...not too shabby...you're imPROVing man...grOOvy.:thumbsup:
I won't crit for 2 reasons:

1) You already working on what we already told you to work on.

2) Practise makes the Master. You're working on it...so I'll give you a rest...

Just keep at it.:thumbsup:

[MrBajt]

Thank you Loulu , the tutorial can be found here ( :p ) http://www.furiae.com/popup.php?text=skintutorial

practising, practising, i still dont feel able to critique on someone's other works... :\

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/5921/unbfenannt1kopie4ni.png
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/6104/unbffenannt1kopie9kv.png

:\

[Loulu79]

Oie! Not bad...you need to understand the anatomy of the eye: We need to "feel" the existence of the eye socket. The almond shape of the eye is not bad...not bad at all...just keep working on it as usual. The iris needs to be more rounded. You have Photoshop? Use the circle selection, draw a nice circle over your iris, and repaint. And don't forget to add more fleshy redness at the corners of the cornea (eyeball).

Keep working...:)

Edit: Where's my manners: Thank You Smiagol. I've bumped into somewhere some other time...but I've forgotten where it was. Thanks.

[MrBajt]

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4999/unbfenanjjjnt1kopie0nb.png

updated version, i improved (at least i tried :/ ^^) what you mentioned, did some work on the colors (the former colors werent enough saturated) and changed the shading slightly. Did it work ? ^^

I'm sorry, i dont have much time to post, got some much work to do on here... school sucks :\ (but only with teachers like mine -_-)

Cu, Smiagol :)

[Loulu79]

Yeah. Much better. Now she needs a more obvious eye socket. Right now that eye bone surrounding her eye looks flat. Work on that. ;)Keep on keeping on!

[MrBajt]

http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/3563/unbendsdsfsdfannt1kopie7xn.png

This just popped into my mind, drew like 3 hours... It's supposed to be some swamp thingie ^^ with witch houses and such :)

@ Loulu: I will work on the eye now. Promised :p ;)

[MrBajt]

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1056/unbendsdsfsdfanjnt1kopie7eo.png

did some improvement i hope... :\ hm... ^^

[MrBajt]

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4406/unbfenanntasas1kopie2tu.png

And here is the eye i've been working on.

P.S. : I dont know why you cant see the image in my previous post. Will fix that later.

[caresseh]

Smiagol, I can't see any of the early images. It says I need a username and password to see them? Anyway your recent stuff looks very nice. I'm 16 so its cool to see someone else my age on here... sometimes it gets discouraging seeing all the other artists, but then I have to remind myself that I still have several years to improve. You seem to be doing very well. Keep up the great work!

[MrBajt]

About my early ones... Yes, the server on which they were hosted was shut down, so they're regrettably lost :( . I still hope the server will come back sometime :\

Well, now here's something i came up with while i drew this image of the sea... Maybe i will even use it :p

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6668/unbenanfghfghfghfghnt1kopie3di.png


sometimes it gets discouraging seeing all the other artists, but then I have to remind myself that I still have several years to improve

Totally agree :thumbsup:

€: Where are my manners... Thanks for replying :)

[MrBajt]

some sort of elve... :shrug:

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3530/unbesnannt1kopie7ns.png

[MrBajt]

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1981/unbevbnvbnbnbnnannt1kopie0yv.png

Some 30 minutes textured brush test ^^

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