How to use both Morpher and Skin?

[salmonmoose]

usually I'd have the head as a seperate mesh (otherwise you have to save the whole mesh as a morphtarget).

so the stack on my head would be:

mesh smooth
skin
edit mesh (attach your body in this)
morpher
editable mesh

[Cozmo]

Do I have to assign the morph targets and all before I assign skin, I mean I see your stack, but I've just started to add bones to the skin and I'll have to assign morpher later on but I'll move it below skin. Will that be a problem?

FYI I don't have any body(not me, the model), it's just a head, but it would be a great way to do it the way you told me.

And still if I apply gizmos to correct the wrong bending in skin and animate morpher(which is below skin of course) I get strange bending because of the gizmos.

[igor_pili]

Just wanted to say that the morpher just stroes only the verices affected, so if you load the while body, but only one vertice is moved, only that is stored. You can see the size of the morph in the modifyer (can really remeber the exact place).

If you r using max 7 try skin morph, that works quite well for correcting deformations, without key framing it (do a search in the forum for this for more detail).

Hope this helps a tiny bit :)

[Cozmo]

Here, try out the file, move the bones to deform the box then use morph to blend it with the target object and see how disturbing it becomes. I don't want that

[eks]

just saw your file and... yeah, i don´t think it was supposed to do that...

but notice that when you first turn the bone, then apply the morph, it blows when two vertices touch each other. now, if you apply the morph then turn the bone, it does not blow up, but the deformation is not really correct anyway... (but still less distorted :)).

one possible work around is using bulges, and/or joint angle deformers. actually, for that kind of volume and deformation, i think deformers would be more appropriate.

sorry couldn´t really help much. :shrug:



eks

[Cozmo]

The verts go outside the envelopes of skin when I blend shapes with morpher, that's why bones can't bend it correctly afterwards

[malleus_46]

You can assign morph targets at any stage, heck you can even add the modifier itself well after you've done your skinning work. Whatever happens before the Skin modifier doesn't really matter, as long as it doesn't changed the vertex order.

However...

If you leave the skin modifier with the crappy envelopes doing all the work, you're asking for problems. Use the envelopes to give you a rough starting point, then edit your points by hand or paint them. Basically you want every single point in your skin modifier to be set to absolute by the time you're done with the weighting process, so that changes upstream wont break the weights.

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