disapointed

[imashination]

Heh, its a great big Dale-fest this week ;-)

*chissels 'Clark Morissaint' into the permenent list*

Oh, and a small tip for Clark when he reads this, DONT put valet parking attendant on your CV. Although I do especially like:

"Summer 2001 - Rising star RA peer leadership for college bound high school seniors as a role model"

Role model, heh.

[Obraxis]

Technically, he doesnt say he's done either of them, simply says 'model & concept art' however, i agree that it is very misleading.

A small credit on his site is due to you.

[imashination]

Technically, he doesnt say he's done either of them, simply says 'model & concept art' however, i agree that it is very misleading.

A small credit on his site is due to you.

So If I put allll of your work on my website, thats perfectly fine so long as I add some small print that I didn't do any of it?

[[nitin design]]

If I was you I would be more than dissapointed. Time to get the pitchfork out!

[wtoddk]

Technically, he doesnt say he's done either of them, simply says 'model & concept art' however, i agree that it is very misleading.

A small credit on his site is due to you.

VERY misleading. I mean, supposedly everything on a personal portfolio website is YOURS. In my opinion, if something on the site is not yours, you should give credit to the artist. And in this case, perhaps even ask permission to the character designer before beginning to model.

Shame on you Clark!

[wtoddk]

you can see my drawings, concepts in my website:
http://perso.wanadoo.es/fooltoons/character_design.htm

here's a link to the actual image:
http://perso.wanadoo.es/fooltoons/flak.jpg

[Chris Bacon]

The situation aside I have to say your a very talanted drawer........

[eek]

dammit! keep losing that RENT-A-MOB no.

eek

[mattmos]

If people are going to model something from a piece of concept art (which is quite a regular thing) then they should credit the original artist at the very least, and should contact the artist in question to ask their permission.

Can't believe the guy's just spent how much going to SCAD and this is his entry into the world of work. good luck. you'll need it.

[Rens]

It looks like the guy used only the drawing from Mikaelo as a reference to create his 3D model. You can see another drawing in his gallery (the flying city) and it looks like he didn't make that one either but only used it as a reference. He only states he is a 3D modeler, not a 2D artist.

So is putting pictures in your gallery like that a smart move? Absolutely not.
Does this make him a thief? Probably not.

The link to his gallery: http://www.ckretone.com/stills.htm

[Chris Bacon]

have you managed to talk to him about it....

[dmonk]

He definitely should have given you credit and I'm sure if you emailed hime he'd sort it out.

I don't necessarilly think it's time to bring out the pitch forks.

[Mikaelo]

no, sorry, he says: "model and concept art" under the picture

[wtoddk]

But the problem lies in that he clearly states under the image "model and concept art". Which to me sounds like he's saying he DID the concept art. He doesn't say, "Concept art by:..."

[Maox]

So is putting pictures in your gallery like that a smart move? Absolutely not.Does this make him a thief? Probably not.
The link to his gallery: http://www.ckretone.com/stills.htm

Model and Concept Art is what he writte at the bottom of the pic,,, so

[Rens]

But the problem lies in that he clearly states under the image "model and concept art". Which to me sounds like he's saying he DID the concept art. He doesn't say, "Concept art by:..."
Hmm, yes that's very confusing. Mikaelo: Did you already sent him an email about this?

[Slurry]

First off, great character designs Mikaelo. Very appealing work.

Secondly, my first impression was that he used the drawing as reference for his model. It is misleading however and he should have credited you.
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. Make him aware of his poor judgement and move on.
I think it's a misunderstanding.

Art

[dmonk]

I agree with Slurry.I don't think it's the best idea to possibly screw this guys career, for what most likely was an honest oversight.

She what he has to say on the matter first at least.

[jmBoekestein]

Dude, press on his screenname, in the menu go to send a private message to <person in question> and deal with this professionally. What if the guy would like to learn from his misstake. Now you might have cause d an entire hassle over nothing potentially.

:shrug: he might have even been a fan of yours or something like that. This looks almost liek slander to me. :curious:

[Bangladesh]

Have you calmly mailed him; stating that due to a post on CGTalk, a site for professional 3D and traditional artists, you have been made "aware" that he is using concept-art he has not been given permission to use and that you would like for him to a) give you credit for the work you've done or b) stop using it in his work. Or both.

Also point out that since so many well known artists from the buisness is frequenting CGTalk, his reputation in the biz might be damaged if proper info is not used, as word-of-mouth spreads like wildfire in these circles, especially about art-theft.

[Solothores]

As much as some threads putting ppl on the pillory are understandable, please guys make sure such situations are clear, before taking that route. Provide those guys the chance to explain themselves, if they don't, stay quite or just mock about you in response, a thread can be a way to handle it. But those threads really should only be the final and last solution, you take, because the harm to your reputation resulting from these threads is nearly impossible to repair. :shrug:

Cheers
Solo

[Pyke]

I just think its a bad choice of words. He isnt stating that he did the model and concept art...he is saying that the above image contains the model and concept art - just as he has captioned the other images (eg: test for bump mapping using a multi layer bump map). I agree it IS misleading-however I dont think that it in intentional at all.

I would contact him and ask him to either remove the model (which I think you have the right to do-although that is kinda mean), or to give you credit, with a link to your website.

I would take it as an honour that someone took the time and effort to model your concepts. He was obviously impressed with your stuff (As am I!). But as I said, I think its just a bad choice of words.

English is a funny language. :) Remember people, bad language and punctuation is the difference between 'I helped my uncle Jack off the horse', and 'i helped my uncle jack off the horse'!!!

[jmBoekestein]

hahahah! lol :wise:, :thumbsup:.

[ThirdEye]

I just think its a bad choice of words. He isnt stating that he did the model and concept art...he is saying that the above image contains the model and concept art - just as he has captioned the other images (eg: test for bump mapping using a multi layer bump map). I agree it IS misleading-however I dont think that it in intentional at all.

I would contact him and ask him to either remove the model (which I think you have the right to do-although that is kinda mean), or to give you credit, with a link to your website.

I would take it as an honour that someone took the time and effort to model your concepts. He was obviously impressed with your stuff (As am I!). But as I said, I think its just a bad choice of words.

English is a funny language. :) Remember people, bad language and punctuation is the difference between 'I helped my uncle Jack off the horse', and 'i helped my uncle jack off the horse'!!!

If you cross a red light you have to pay for it even if you didn't know what a red light is, law (and common sense) don't admit ignorance.

[Pyke]

I'm not saying the guy is right in posting someone elses concept art-I am saying however that I dont think it was intentional-and definately not malicious. He is WRONG in not giving credit to the original artist-but this doesnt make him an art thief.

[[nitin design]]

Am I missing something? Credit or no credit! If i understand the situation correctly then he had no right to model someone elses design/concept withouth their permission in the first place!
You are telling me that he just finished his design education and was taught nothing about copyright infringment?
Secondly it states clearly "model and concept art". I think he knew clearly what he was doing. Nothing personal against this Clark guy but I call it how I see it :-)

[dmonk]

Somebody better call the police on all of the orc, cave troll and star wars models then.

[Spater]

God how i love these witchhunts:rolleyes:

this is probably just a misunderstanding that didnt need to be brought up on the forums and could have been done via a PM.

[[nitin design]]

dmonk

I see the point you are trying to make but when someone posts a star wars/Gollum model in their real/portfolio the studio would know that it's not his/her original design as everyone knows about Star wars...etc

In this case the person doing the hiring will have no clue about the origin of the design/concept.
Plus I really don't see the point of copying even star wars stuff for putting in your portfolio as it just shows lack of originality and imagination.
Why not create better concepts than the ones found in Star Wars for your portfolio ;-) he!he! evil laugh :-)

Edit- I do agree that the person should be e-mailed and given the chance to explain himself.

[picolo]

his model is so poor
any way you will have ni difficulties to proove the character design is yours..:thumbsup:

[Chris Bacon]

its not THAT bad.....but he should have give credit where its due.....

[Ckretone]

Ok im honestly realy surpeised to this mornign when i saw this posting...let me realy clear things up....it' really a big misunderstanding it was about 2 years ago maybe when i came across the concpet art drawing on the internet i had visited Miguels website i e-mailed him to ask him to originaly show him th model i had done..honestly he nevve responded to my my e-mails, the post on my web site simply states "the model and consept art" to show a comparison of the two i am sorry that i didnt clear state that he drawing was from somone else..but i would never say i did the darwing thats just crazy i cant do concept art like that..and i've even posteed that model on this forum before a while ago stating the fact that Miguel had done the original concept art you should look that up...i'll find it and repost it it..but agin as far as you peopel that are judjing me with out understaning the situation and poking fun and the jobs i've worked..are you kidding ...i'd been working since i was 16 moved out to L.A with just my clothes and my computer with no worldly possesions and you guys are coming across almost like your saying i dont have the balls to cut it....thast just crazy...i've had alot a struggle and hard time with no back up...some times you have to be a valet attedmdet or homeless assholes!
as far as the guy that stated my model as being poor i appreciate youe constructive crit just the same.
I do appologies to Miguel for not clearly stating that fact on my site....i didnt do it maliciously...i will fix the post on my website...

[[nitin design]]

Ckretone it's between you and Mikaelo whatever I wrote I stand by as I did not write anything wrong. I can't speak for others.

Oh! and you are right. I don't see the point of making fun of your employment history either ;-) If anything it shows that you are willing to work hard and have the balls to slug it out.
I guess you have learnt your lesson regarding giving credit. Mikaelo not answering your mail did not give you automatic right to use his concept ;-)

Anyway as far as I am concerned it's history now and you are not a thief just bit naive.
No harm done.

Take care and I wish you luck in everything.

[Ckretone]

here is the link to my original thrread

[/url][url="http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=149912&highlight=cartoon+knight%3C/a%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E"]http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=149912&highlight=cartoon+knight (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=149912&highlight=cartoon+knight)

[mummey]

Thank you for recognizing the issue and responding...

(Edit: Changed my mind about that. I hate people who respond to whining with more whining. :p)
-b

[ThirdEye]

Oh, and don't worry about the thread trolls. Its a Friday and they were just itching for an excuse to use their pitchforks

I think you're completely out of track dude.

[mummey]

I think you're completely out of track dude.

I feel if the person is willing to admit the mistake and change it, maybe we shouldn't be so quick to "critique" any jobs the person might have once had. :p

Some people are just too quick with the pitchforks before they have all the details. There are always two sides to situations such as these and anyone should at least have the cahnce to defend themselves when something like this is posted publicly.

-b

[Ckretone]

Anyone besides Miguel cant possible have anything negative to say even he himself after seeing the post almost a year ago i posted here...it clearly states that the concept art isnt mine...again everytime i've ever posted anyweer to jobs i always exress the fact that im a modeler i can texture as well the model of the ship on my site i textured, but that isnt even a strenghth so i dont even say that i textured the ship at all though i'm just not good enough to establish it as being a attribute of skill i possess....

here again look at the old thread i posted


http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=149912&highlight=cartoon+knight (http://showthread.php?t=149912&highlight=cartoon+knight%3C/a%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E)

[Ckretone]

you think my work is poorand thast fine...i just looked at your site...are you kidding me...im not even upset anymore...just humored now my friend.........
his model is so poor
any way you will have ni difficulties to proove the character design is yours..:thumbsup:

[Ckretone]

thast for your kinda words but its not courage at all i'm being totaly honest with you all it's just truly unbeliveable i mean i did that model a long time ago and have posted it a lng time ago and for it to be a problem all of a sudden just seems unreal to me...but i do appologiz for the misunderstanding.....its just real strange for me to see my name under such an ill light...cant say iv ever been ther before
Thank you for recognizing the issue having the courage to respond. :thumbsup:

Oh, and don't worry about the thread trolls. Its a Friday and they were just itching for an excuse to use their pitchforks. ;)

-b

[mummey]

you think my work is poorand thast fine...i just looked at your site...are you kidding me...im not even upset anymore...just humored now my friend.........

Dude, that's NOT the way to gain sympathy here... :rolleyes:

[ThirdEye]

Ok this thread has said everything it could say.