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Ego
05-30-2005, 08:12 AM
I have given this a lot of thought. This morning I watched a couple of .avi videos of Bob Ross--Joy of Painting. Most of you guys may remember him teaching painting on Public TV. Watching him paint, I had a lot of moments when I said, Ooooh so thats how its done.
It seems that though a lot of folks here have attended formal art school, there are lots of us who have not, and are self thought. Who are still struggling trying to find the way to carry out most tasks in digital painting.

We have a lot of wonderful artists here, to mention but a few, Lunatique, Linda and lots of other ones whose names I didn't mention. Artists with different styles. It is my opinion that there are those of us who are thirsty to actually watch these artists work and learn from it, SEE how they do what the do.

Why can't we have a digital Training DVD from some of these artists? I know I for one will purchase it. I have mentioned this to a few these artists privately.

Can you guys give an input on this? Is this something you might be interested in? Is this something that might help you?

Squibbit
05-30-2005, 08:35 AM
will tell u of the DVD's after lunch, stay tuned

Ego
05-30-2005, 08:37 AM
will tell u of the DVD's after lunch, stay tuned
Ok, that will be great.

Art2
05-30-2005, 08:46 AM
I have never seen any of the Gnomon DVD's, but aren't they what you're looking for?
Or something similar?

Squibbit
05-30-2005, 09:28 AM
Ok, so I got 18 of them Gnomon DVD's , it was the Community Award
from the Grand Space Opera CGTalk challenge.
These DVD's last 2 hours apiece. In each one an artist creates
concept art or a painting , all the while describing his working
methods and explaining his sources , inspirations and gives tips on
using his favourite programs, usually painter or photoshop.
All these artists are pretty amazing , Neville Page , for example,
has worked for Men In Black and watching his work made you
doubt not one bit how he'd gotten the job. Feng Zhu, Ryan
Church and Dusseault have their own sets os DVD's, all these
gentlemen have worked on the latest Star Wars movie (the
Art of StarWars ,Episode III , featuring the work of all these
three and more is a good buy, btw , it's not even that expensive).
All the images the artist create in the DVD's are shown from
start to finish , though usually at 1.75 to 2x the speed , so
u don't get too bored and they get to cover more stuff.
Often it's just one picture per DVD, but there is a lot of info and
considering the max of four hours they've gotten to spend
on the pic, even that's pretty good, but every now and then
there's an exception, Dusseault, for example, did no less than
5 awesome concept paintings in one of his DVD's.
For those who want there's of course DVD's for 3D work too.
Linda (Berkqvist) hasn't yet made any Gnomon DVD's to my
knowledge , but let's keep our thumbs up she will someday soon. :thumbsup:


I hope that helped , if you want more info on the contents I can
try to help and of course there's the Gnomon Workshop (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/), who
definitely can tell you more :)


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Ego
05-30-2005, 09:52 AM
Thanks Squibbit. I'll sure go and check those out. Thought those guys did only Maya stuff.

paperclip
05-30-2005, 11:49 AM
Ok, so I got 18 of them Gnomon DVD's , it was the Community Award
from the Grand Space Opera CGTalk challenge.
These DVD's last 2 hours apiece. In each one an artist creates
concept art or a painting , all the while describing his working
methods and explaining his sources , inspirations and gives tips on
using his favourite programs, usually painter or photoshop.
All these artists are pretty amazing , Neville Page , for example,
has worked for Men In Black and watching his work made you
doubt not one bit how he'd gotten the job. Feng Zhu, Ryan
Church and Dusseault have their own sets os DVD's, all these
gentlemen have worked on the latest Star Wars movie (the
Art of StarWars ,Episode III , featuring the work of all these
three and more is a good buy, btw , it's not even that expensive).
All the images the artist create in the DVD's are shown from
start to finish , though usually at 1.75 to 2x the speed , so
u don't get too bored and they get to cover more stuff.
Often it's just one picture per DVD, but there is a lot of info and
considering the max of four hours they've gotten to spend
on the pic, even that's pretty good, but every now and then
there's an exception, Dusseault, for example, did no less than
5 awesome concept paintings in one of his DVD's.
For those who want there's of course DVD's for 3D work too.
Linda (Berkqvist) hasn't yet made any Gnomon DVD's to my
knowledge , but let's keep our thumbs up she will someday soon. :thumbsup:


I hope that helped , if you want more info on the contents I can
try to help and of course there's the Gnomon Workshop (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/), who
definitely can tell you more :)


.

Wow, amazing award! (slight tinge of jealousy!!) Are lecture notes included? I ask because I may not be able to understand the voice overs & they aren't captioned...

Squibbit
05-30-2005, 12:05 PM
Wow, amazing award! (slight tinge of jealousy!!) Are lecture notes included? I ask because I may not be able to understand the voice overs & they aren't captioned...

yea I'm just starting to realize how big it was.

Yes, lecture notes are included, as well as a minor bonus , a quick peek
into a gallery containing some of the work of the artist on the DVD.

All the speech on the DVD's is pretty clear english , even though Ryan
Church at times sounds like five different people, each wanting to have a
say and then one of them choosing which way to go and what to say
next...heh, reminds me of me at times :D



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paperclip
05-30-2005, 12:17 PM
yea I'm just starting to realize how big it was.

Yes, lecture notes are included, as well as a minor bonus , a quick peek
into a gallery containing some of the work of the artist on the DVD.

All the speech on the DVD's is pretty clear english , even though Ryan
Church at times sounds like five different people, each wanting to have a
say and then one of them choosing which way to go and what to say
next...heh, reminds me of me at times :D



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Hehe- I must meet you someday! You remind me of my brother in a lot of ways.
One last question- would you get the same 'message' if all the sound is removed? I mean, would you be able to understand what he's doing without the voice over/talking? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm considering buying a gnomon dvd or two and I don't want to be disappointed..you know how it is!
BTW, why 'squibbit?'

sergioKomic
05-30-2005, 12:20 PM
Okay Leo now how about the contributing photos of dimitris liatsos as a ninja on a bike AWARD?
(I seriously think I could win that one:deal: )

paperclip
05-30-2005, 12:30 PM
Okay Leo now how about the contributing photos of dimitris liatsos as a ninja on a bike AWARD?
(I seriously think I could win that one:deal: )

I couldn't let your generous heart bleed dry.

Here you go. Congratulations.
http://img167.echo.cx/img167/4660/dimi0mc.jpg

Squibbit
05-30-2005, 12:36 PM
would you get the same 'message' if all the sound is removed? I mean, would you be able to understand what he's doing without the voice over/talking?

no offense, but you happen to be deaf or have a very bad hearing ?
They might come up with a subtitled version if you asked, I don't
remember if the DVD's had subtitles, can check that later tonight
when I get home.

To answer your question:
Of course not. Neville Page, for example, talks much abut how
reference material is important at first so you get to undersand and remember
how everything looks like, why it looks like that and how you can reproduce
it in your work.Then later on as you become better and more learned you
don't need the reference material anymore, not as much anyways. But, as I
said , all the english in the DVD's is quite clearly spoken , and anyone
understanding their movie & TV english should have no trouble at all understanding
the DVD's. Only thing that comes to mind is the sound is pretty hushed , at least
at times ,so you gotta turn the volume way up to hear the speech above say,
the noise of traffic outside your house. But that's not really an issue since turning
up the volume solves it , heh.

BTW, why 'squibbit?'

why not ? umm..to me it sounds fun , relaxed and
nothing too serious, maybe a little bit of this mixed
with a little bit of that, but you can't really be sure :D


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paperclip
05-30-2005, 12:41 PM
I am actually :hmm: . It doesn't affect me for the most part, but I just want to see how much I'll be able to get out of the dvds. Thanks for giving so much info!


BTW: I think you got what you were looking for with 'squibbit'. :D

Squibbit
05-30-2005, 12:57 PM
ok, I'll check about the subtitles at home and if they
don't have them we can always ask them to add them :)

paperclip
05-30-2005, 01:01 PM
ok, I'll check about the subtitles at home and if they
don't have them we can always ask them to add them :)

Haha, that would be great! But I doubt they will- adding subtitles is quite time consuming and adds to the cost. From their point of view, it's not worth it as only a tiny, tiny minority of people will need them.
Back to topic anyway- I would love to see DVDs by some of the great people here. Maybe we could have a M & S dvd special? Where people could discuss their work...that could be interesting?

{subtitled of course, haha}

Squibbit
05-30-2005, 01:14 PM
yea the subtitles might be costly cause they'd had to sync it.
They could, however , have some secretary type everything
said in a DVD and have the artist proofread it once or twice.
Then they could add the text separately to the DVD. That,
although way more crude than subtitles , would cost next
to nothing , yes ? Or , if you bought the DVD you'd get the
text on a extra CD or you could register to Gnomon and
download the text from somewhere .

paperclip
05-30-2005, 01:55 PM
Hey, that would be a good idea. It would also help people whose English isn't very good and who would find an english transcription easier to understand than a voice over.

eparts
05-30-2005, 02:58 PM
i think the main reason you don't find so many 'how to do' videos is that it takes alot of effort making one. and then you have to produce them.. takes quite much money and work. gnomon is lucky to have such a great cooporation with cgtalk, capital and advertizing.

i cant say this for sure though.. needs some more research

jmBoekestein
05-30-2005, 03:22 PM
It could be that the process is lkargely unpredictable, at least when it comes to a satisfying end result. I 'm not saying that this IS true, but I'm guessing, since I often throw ideas around and end up fidgetting things until I could sleep on my wacom.

Distribution mihgt be an issue too, once you've got your nifty video tutorial, you have to sell it or you'll have lost the investment. Most people haven't even got a clue what a computer really does for artists let alone the knowledge to find the proper websites for their things, maybe. :shrug:

Mantat
05-30-2005, 05:01 PM
Personnaly, I think that the Gnomon DVDs arent that good. Of course the artist are good and they give great advices, BUT the editing of the DVD is non existant and I dont think that the artist does any preparation before pressing the <record> key.

Its very sad because there is so much potential with these guys.

I personnaly made training movies related to the use of an obscure software. The video was about 2 hours and it took about a week to make and edit. I will never believe that Gnomon doesnt make enough money to pay someone 1-2k$ to edit and plan these.

It would be great to see area of the drawing be hi-lighted when the lecturer speak, etc... Anyways, if someone with any drwaing skill is interested in making such a DVD, I would be more than gratefull to contribute to it. Making learning material is one of the most rewarding experience one can have.

eparts
05-30-2005, 10:58 PM
since we are already at it.. :P

I have also made videotutorials.. and I still host them on my site.
http://www.ep-arts.com/ep3.php?id=tutorials hehe, sorry
they arent really helpful.. they just show how I work (almost two years ago..)

But it would be interresting to expand this area though.. the market will find it very attractive in a few years..

eparts
05-30-2005, 11:00 PM
mandat: interresting that you give a review for these products.. there isnt much competition for Gnomon yet.. as far as i know.

Ego
05-31-2005, 02:24 PM
I couldn't let your generous heart bleed dry.

Here you go. Congratulations.
http://img167.echo.cx/img167/4660/dimi0mc.jpg
Not meaning to be a bug, but I don't know if there are any ramifications of using the cgnetwork emblem in such a manner. I know its a joke and I think its funny, but did someone check the rules about it?

Squibbit
05-31-2005, 02:39 PM
clearly just an innocent joke there , no worries , Queensoul :thumbsup:



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Ego
05-31-2005, 03:09 PM
clearly just an innocent joke there , no worries , Queensoul :thumbsup:



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Ok then :) Trying to play it safe

paperclip
05-31-2005, 03:17 PM
I doubt anyone will try putting THAT on their website and trying to fool a prospective employer with it. :D


'Hey, it says here that you are the recipient of the "Dmitri ninja bike photo contribution award".
We weren't sure about hiring you here at Pixar, but this is the clincher. When can you start?'

:scream:

eparts
05-31-2005, 04:10 PM
i believe this thread just got hijacked! :bounce:

Ego
05-31-2005, 05:33 PM
i believe this thread just got hijacked! :bounce:
Eparts, I just watched the worm tutorial on your site. Nicely done. A tad fast though. You should make more.

Squibbit
06-01-2005, 10:55 AM
Sorry ,paperclip , no subtitles in the Gnomon DVD's I have.

Still , I think you should write them and ask if they got subtitled
versions, or if thy could provide you with a text file of the artist's
narration


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paperclip
06-01-2005, 11:17 AM
Oh well. Thanks a million for checking it out for me! I really appreciate it...:thumbsup: :love:

I'll do as you suggested & contact them.:deal:

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