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ajay1589
05-30-2005, 03:13 AM
heres my latest project, after my last one was ruined i made sure to make two copies of this one XD

i decided to make a project on a beautiful chinese news anchor who (hopefully) some of you may recognize from this
EDIT: Please read on to the following posts...you really will see a huge transformation


crits and comments r very welcome!
http://img290.echo.cx/img290/7606/sharontay2wx.th.jpg (http://img290.echo.cx/my.php?image=sharontay2wx.jpg)
PS: now that i look this over many months later, i can tell that this would not look like any human being on the earth...so emberrased!!:eek:

ajay1589
05-30-2005, 04:51 PM
alright, since i got no reply for the last update, i just kept on going and heres another update

http://img252.echo.cx/img252/5725/sharontay39xg.th.jpg (http://img252.echo.cx/my.php?image=sharontay39xg.jpg)

I have a strange feeling about her eyes, they don't seem to be expressive and just lifeless...like a barbie or something...hopefully you can help me out

i hope you guys realize to click on the image to see the full version...

Katea
05-31-2005, 04:39 PM
I have this little tip for you. Try sketching the whole silhouette before painting in PS. I know from my own experience, that it helps a lot if the sketch is visible and on a diferent layer than the colours. You don't focus on shaping the silhouette and just do the tones. After you're done with basic colouring you can erase (or turn off) the sketch layer and try to correct your mistakes. :)

beelow
05-31-2005, 05:03 PM
Or if you do not want to go with the sketching first, just do an underpainting. I would also suggest doing thumbnails initially and reference the pose. It is better if you see than not seeing. For me thumbnails loosen my hand up, which helps alot! You've got a good start keep going!:thumbsup:

ajay1589
05-31-2005, 09:24 PM
wow, im suprised i got actual posts now that my thread was pushed down so far..thanks so much for the crits
for this painting i did start straight with the colors into photoshop :sad:but i dont see how you could determine that...maybe from her un"finished" arms?

anyways i wish i could sketch into photoshop but currently my stylis is crappy so i either sketch onto paper and put it into to photoshop then put layers over the sketch...or i do it directly into photoshop which is quicker(but causes problems sometimes)
as for underpainting, i have no idea what that is at the moment :shrug:

inlovewithlousypoetry
06-01-2005, 06:30 AM
her eyes need some motion... some of the muscles need to be tense and others relaxed. she looks like a barbie because everything is relaxed. it may just be me but it kinda looks like her eyes are pointed in two very slightly varying directions.

hpslashluvr
06-01-2005, 08:47 AM
ok, it looks like you aren't sure how to use your opacity in ps. you may want to try making or dl'ing custom brushes (they make a HUGE difference)...but there's a thread called newbie color practice study or something (it's relatively new, so it should be around here somewhere in this forum)...i think that method of painting may benefit you better.

here are some tips: the eyebrows are too fake...this is the plucked and overdrawn with a eyebrow pencil look...try putting them in more of an angular arch and lower.

the body needs to be wider.

the hair...hair is really easy to get down once you build up the colors. you look like you are going more for a hispanic look than an asian look btw...but anyhow the color of the hair should be much browner. i'm not a great painter but this is how i would start it out.
http://img214.echo.cx/img214/7117/newface2small4oj.jpg
http://img214.echo.cx/img214/5229/newface225zu.jpg
http://img214.echo.cx/img214/3448/newface230pi.jpg
first, use a soft brush and build up a lot of colors...then use a fine brush that is set prolly about 80 percent and draw in hair, then use a smudge tool and loosen it up some...then keep working on it till it's done! of course you would use darker colors...if you do choose to use dark black hair (a good example is indian hair)...it actually sort of looks blue in the light. just a thought.

Zaphood87
06-01-2005, 09:56 AM
Hey Ajay! This is going to be great!:thumbsup: I think the thing about her eyes is that they are much to open. She's starring. It might be what you're after, but i think they would look more relaxed if you closed them a little. On a relaxed eye the eyelid tend to cover a part of the upper Iris.:)

ajay1589
06-01-2005, 08:03 PM
haha more replies!!

inlovewithlousypoetry:thanks, i agree that the area around her eyes needs to be more realistic...currently the reference im using for this piece doesn't show too much detail around the eyes(besides makeup i guess)

hpslashluvr:thanks so much for your post, i agree with the eyebrows, right now they are there for me to see where i want them to be, ill move them lower and make them more realistic...

as for the hair, ive had some difficulty with this and have been using multiple tutorials...right now that was just a sloppy quick fix for teh hair at the moment but i am using brushes and tuts to help make the hair look more realistic

the thing is, most of these tuts use brown hair as the reference and then use the burn and the dodge tool to create highlights but the dode and burn tool don't work with black hair, which is what this woman has :-/
that blue tip may be exactly wat i needed though!
the hair in your piece looks very nice, would i be able to create this effect without pressure sensitivity?(think that im basically using a mouse) When you said 80percent, did u mean pressure or opacity?

zaphood:once again i agree, i think i made the eyes altogether too big on her, im gonna go back and take a deep look between the reference and mine and see what i can change

hopefully ill get an update up sooN!

PS:hp, is your hair all on one layer?

hpslashluvr
06-01-2005, 10:35 PM
you may want to go look at some hair dye boxes at a drugstore, the blacks always look blue for some reason...

my hair is all on one layer.

i normally use a stylus but for your sake i tried using my mouse (which really really sucks b/c it has this lag problem)...i don't think i used the right colors prolly...i haven't used ps in a while but i used painter's airbrushes which are basically the same as some of the default brushes in ps...they are 10 percent opacity (no pressure, since i'm using a mouse i guess? unless that means something else in ps)...and then i used something equivalent to the smudge tool to form the hair...you may want to use a slightly harder, fine brush (maybe 15 percent?) and go in with some details, then smudge again...and of course you'll prolly want to clean it up some afterwards to make it sharper.

there are some hair painting tutorials on threedy.com written by katherine something (i think)...she paints a lot of fur so she's pretty good at it...you may want to take a look.

http://img96.echo.cx/img96/2796/hairblack8fo.jpg
ps. hopefully these colors seem the same on your monitor as mine...mine is pretty dark.

ajay1589
06-04-2005, 02:03 AM
hp, your comments, crits have helped this piece a TON, thank you so much
i hope you didn't think i was giving up on this thread or not reading it, i read it as soon as you guys posted but i have refrained from posting a new update until i liked(somewhat) what i saw...anyways i took your great advice hp and worked on the hair better

on this update i completely redid the hair(only the top part though, i want to see your comments until i continue), eyes, repositioned the nose and lips and did some work on the color tone of the face, i also worked(minimally) on the torso and top...i would love to hear everything you have to say about the latest update!
thanks alot for your replies guys...
http://img118.echo.cx/img118/3615/sharontay70ea.th.jpg (http://img118.echo.cx/my.php?image=sharontay70ea.jpg)

hpslashluvr
06-04-2005, 02:42 AM
wow, the hair looks tons better. i think the eyes need to be lowered a bit, and then it will look fine...also the shoulders still need to be wider IMO...the proportion of the head to body basically is off still

ajay1589
06-04-2005, 02:47 AM
thanks once again hp if i change the face...it will be very minimal because when i change anything on those layers i basically have to redo everything :sad:so ill probably move the eyes around a little and try to make the head smaller

as for those eyebrows, sorry i didnt change them...after taking a good hard look at the reference i saw that her eyebrows actually are tweezed that small(not realisitic but not exactly penciled)

thanks for pointing that out about her shoulders, i had no idea how small i made them compared to the reference!!

ill make sure to update...

Korline
06-20-2005, 12:27 AM
it seems like the parts are pretty nice, but the whole thing looks like it's been cut out in pieces, don't know if that's wat you want, I like lips the best :)

my WIP (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=251042)

ajay1589
10-08-2005, 01:08 AM
I know its pretty pathetic that i gave up on this piece for so long but i made some improvements and im wondering what your guys opinions are. I realize the body is pretty much only shapes and the hair has changed, but thats because im working on learning how to highlight a grouping of the hair(like in braids) and i just cropped the hair short until i learn...
this is all done with a mouse :-/ so i think its pretty difficult to actually show my ability but its an improvement!
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1455/sharontay95dx.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sharontay95dx.jpg)

jmBoekestein
10-08-2005, 03:50 PM
Looks a lot better indeed. The face is more defined and getting closer. :) You really should consider trying to get your hadnds on a tablet somehow.

ajay1589
10-09-2005, 01:32 AM
thanks again for the reply jm, heres another update...working on the skin, fixed some anatomy(although theres still some to fix), put tones out on the body...tell me what you guys think!!
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4392/sharontay102ao.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

ajay1589
10-11-2005, 08:50 PM
i believe i deserve to bump...just to get the slightest response

ajay1589
11-24-2005, 12:54 AM
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8166/sharontay110sk.jpgUpdate, not many people responded so i just slowed down and did little updates and felt like posting

I have no idea why it wasnt displaying the image...i retried it twice..hopefully 3rd times the charm
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7193/sharontay112kc.jpg

zooyorkbmxer
12-05-2005, 12:22 AM
hey its coming out pretty good
u should try to make the edges more vivid.. and add some more shades to the curves

ajay1589
01-30-2006, 01:45 AM
wow, havent checked this in a while...cgtalk seemed to die for a little but is back up with its usual flow
yea i still need to clean it up a bit and i made some improvements..but ill make sure to put that in the next update

id love to hear comments!

ajay1589
08-18-2006, 05:34 PM
update.....http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/2457/sharontay12em4.jpg

eishiya
08-18-2006, 10:59 PM
A few crits, hopefully these will be helpful.

Her chin is misaligned to the rest of her face. It seems to be a square-ish chin, but it's tilted the wrong way. One of it's sharper "ends" is her real chin apparently, so you should smoothen the other "end" (the other side of the chin). Right now she looks like either her chin isn't centered or that she has a tumor on her face.
The teeth seem to be almost like one, they need darker shading between them. Also, they seem to glow. Her mouth is only open a little bit, so there should not be that much light on them. They should be darker.
The whites of the eyes are also too bright, and also they seem to be white. They should be slightly darker and a bit more blue. She also seems to lack volume in her eyelids (particularly the lower ones). They should have some shading on their own.
You seem to be shading with a soft brush. Although it may work well for some in the earlier stages, it's definitely time to move on to hard-dged brushes now for cast shadows, folds, edges, and just about everything.
Her nose seems very flat, as if it's drawn on and not actually there. If you shade the lower parts of it and give it a bit of a cast shadow, it should look a lot better.
Her irises seem to be different sizes, and they're both a bit too small and too centered between her eyelids. They should be higher. Right now she has a very evil look going on.
Last thing for now is her neck. The dark shading makes it blend into the hair, making it look weird. it wouldn't be so weird if the rest of her body also had intense shading like this, but it doesn't. Since you don't really seem to have anything that would result in such shading elsewhere, i think you should just lighten the neck to make it more visible.

Sorry if that seemed like too much. Trust me, this picture has many positive points. I love the lips and the shading on her chest, and the overall colors. There are just a few things that prevent this from being awesome.

ajay1589
08-19-2006, 05:57 AM
perfect! Thanks so much for the crits. I've pretty much noticed most of these problems but haven't gotten around to fixing them(teeth, nose, eyes, especially neck). but i've put off those while i try to figure out the skin. now that i know theres other people that can easily notice these errors i'll definitely fix them. thanks for the speedy c&c!

ajay1589
12-02-2006, 06:30 PM
Ok, here's an update. I redid a lot of key details with her face which makes her look more feminine. Take a look and see if you can see any differences(i sure can). I would love more ocmments too. Im currently working on a lot of more updates.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/815/sharontay13xr7.jpg

ajay1589
12-06-2006, 11:55 PM
I got a tablet!!:bounce: I'm not sure if you can even see a difference but I see a huge improvement between my mouse and my tablet aspects of this piece. Right now I'm working a lot on details and just testing out different methods to get the perfect outcomes. Obviously theres still a lot to be done but I'd love to hear more comments/ crits. Take a second and look at my first post here and then this...its incredible to see the difference!
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/8766/sharontay16xu5.jpg
Also...please tell me if the image is too big. I realize that many of you guys have low resolutions and couldn't possibly be interested in such a large pic. Just in case I'll include a thumbnail.
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/8766/sharontay16xu5.th.jpg (http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sharontay16xu5.jpg)

ajay1589
12-13-2006, 09:30 PM
practicing with the tablet and worked on a recent sketch. i'll be working on this laong with the piece in this thread. tell me what you think!
[/url][url="http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smug1cj6.jpg"]http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/295/smug1cj6.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

soulspline
01-18-2007, 07:26 AM
the colors are great i like your color pallete and the subject is amazingly beautyfull but you need some adjustments on your facial anatomy
and you can also put in some mood in this painting eg. more dynamic color schemes

ajay1589
01-18-2007, 05:11 PM
thanks for the crits/critique. Im not really sure which your talking about, the Chinese woman or the smug piece(since both have anatomy problems). If your talking about the smug piece...here's a link to the new thread I started for that one:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=31&t=451635

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