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RobertoOrtiz
05-18-2005, 03:10 PM
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"With $297 million in revenue for 2004 and continued growth projected in the coming years, China's online gaming industry is thriving despite, or perhaps because of, stringent government regulation.

Administration of Press and Publication of the People's Republic of China (GAPP), spoke during an E3 conference session on the Chinese government's role in shaping the country's online gaming industry, from government censorship to controlling piracy and fostering Chinese game development.
Unfortunately, Kou spent most of his tightly scripted presentation bringing the audience up to speed on the way the gaming industry in China works and shed little new light on the changing face of games in China.

In particular, Kou seemed to avoid the topic of how China intends to control the rampant piracy within its borders. According to an Entertainment Software Association report (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/02/11/news_6118497.html%20) earlier this year, China ranks behind only Malaysia as a top producer of pirated games. "

>>Link<< (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/17/news_6125252.html)

-R

SpiralFace
05-18-2005, 07:00 PM
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Administration of Press and Publication of the People's Republic of China (GAPP), spoke during an E3 conference session on the Chinese government's role in shaping the country's online gaming industry, from government censorship to controlling piracy and fostering Chinese game development.

In particular, Kou seemed to avoid the topic of how China intends to control the rampant piracy within its borders. According to an Entertainment Software Association report (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/02/11/news_6118497.html%20) earlier this year, China ranks behind only Malaysia as a top producer of pirated games. "

-R

Interesting stuff. I wonder what / if they are going to do anything about the rampant Piracy issue if they intend to develop games over there. I can see how the goverment can trun the other way when they are ripping off Japanese and american game products and software, but I doubt that development houses are going to want to start up there if a majoraty of their game software is going to be sold through Illegal pirated copies. Hearing from my friend that goes to Hong Kong, he says sometimes its harder to find the original versions of games over the pirated versions. Although I'm sure this is just an exageration on how easy they are to find over there.

And who can forget the early Pirated Systems like the Blay Station (funny how the abriviation for the system is BS.) Bleam cast, and all those disk drivers for the old cartrage systems. It was cute when I was 12 and did'nt know any better, but now that I'm getting into the industry, I am curious to see what happens and if China's intent to attract game developers is going to be enough insentive to clean up their act alittle bit.

Darktwin
05-18-2005, 08:53 PM
Interesting stuff. I wonder what / if they are going to do anything about the rampant Piracy issue if they intend to develop games over there. I can see how the goverment can trun the other way when they are ripping off Japanese and american game products and software, but I doubt that development houses are going to want to start up there if a majoraty of their game software is going to be sold through Illegal pirated copies. Hearing from my friend that goes to Hong Kong, he says sometimes its harder to find the original versions of games over the pirated versions. Although I'm sure this is just an exageration on how easy they are to find over there.

And who can forget the early Pirated Systems like the Blay Station (funny how the abriviation for the system is BS.) Bleam cast, and all those disk drivers for the old cartrage systems. It was cute when I was 12 and did'nt know any better, but now that I'm getting into the industry, I am curious to see what happens and if China's intent to attract game developers is going to be enough insentive to clean up their act alittle bit.


My thoughts indeed, I would like to see how the transition unfolds for Chinas gaming market with piracy being a huge problem not only in China but in alot of countries specifically in Asia.

Don Kayote
05-18-2005, 09:20 PM
Piracy? What's that?

Lunatique
05-19-2005, 05:42 AM
Controlling piracy in China is a double-edged sword. On one hand, the Chinese government loves the idea that the average citizens can afford DVD's, games, CD's, books..etc at a ridiculously cheap price, thus improving the level of culture among the citizens. Without piracy, the average Chinese citizen in China cannot afford to buy these things--and they'd fall behind the rest of the world culturally. But, if piracy affects China's natively produced products, then the government raises an eyebrow. I've noticed that the Chinese government tend to makes an effort to stop piracy of natively produced products, but don't do much about foreign-produced products.

You want to know what Chinese produced games are like? They are very disappointing. Even the Chinese themselves feel that Chinese-produced games are crap. Bad design, unorginal, bug-ridden, repetitive, unimaginative..etc. The only reason why the Chinese play Chinese-made online games is because they can't afford to play the foreign ones like Everquest, WOW, FFXI, Guild Wars..etc. They can pirate the games, but they can't pirate the accounts, so even the pirated versions they sell in China only allows you to play by yourself, but not on a legit server with other players. And even if they could pirate the actual accounts, most Chinese don't have enough English skills to really interact in an English-speaking online game anyway.

So bottomline is, the only reason why Chinese online games are thriving is because the Chinese public have no alternatives. If they could play foreign-made online games, they wouldn't bother with the Chinese-made stuff.

SpiralFace
05-19-2005, 06:30 AM
Controlling piracy in China is a double-edged sword. On one hand, the Chinese government loves the idea that the average citizens can afford DVD's, games, CD's, books..etc at a ridiculously cheap price, thus improving the level of culture among the citizens. Without piracy, the average Chinese citizen in China cannot afford to buy these things--and they'd fall behind the rest of the world culturally.

You want to know what Chinese produced games are like? They are very disappointing. Even the Chinese themselves feel that Chinese-produced games are crap. Bad design, unorginal, bug-ridden, repetitive, unimaginative..etc. The only reason why the Chinese play Chinese-made online games is because they can't afford to play the foreign ones like Everquest, WOW, FFXI, Guild Wars..etc. They can pirate the games, but they can't pirate the accounts, so even the pirated versions they sell in China only allows you to play by yourself, but not on a legit server with other players. And even if they could pirate the actual accounts, most Chinese don't have enough English skills to really interact in an English-speaking online game anyway.

How does stealing foriegn products improve China's overall culture? Most of these Movies and Games are made for entertainment. I don't see how that makes them more cultured. They just entertain themselves the same way we do, I doubt that it will make them think of things like their sweat shop labor laws, human rights issues, and other things I care not to bring up or want to talk about in this NON-POLITICAL forum. (I swear I'm not trying to rock the boat here.) The way I see it, they are makeing money on the online front, regardless if the quality of their product is good or not. And thats earning them money that they could easily re-invest in more higher quality products that might stand a chance to compete inter- nationaly. All of the things you said about the games made domesticaly in China are of "Bad design, unorginal, bug-ridden, repetitive, unimaginative" might be true now, but the same could have been said about Korea a few years ago, and now I see some great products comming out of there that are competing nationaly (Magna Carta definatly being up there as the prettyest one.) I seriously think that there is no reason China could'nt compete internationaly with everyone else if they put the drive and resorces behind it. I know that they have the talent just by looking at some of the posts here in the forums expecialy the beautiful stuff done by Lunatique. But the thing I see is no insentive to make a high quality product, and no insentive from anyone who works in games here in america to develop them in China, even if they originaly are from the area. People I talk to say there is no insentive to build a high quality product over there in china, becuase even the general public whould just much rather buy a pirated american game for 20 cents then buy a domesticaly made game for a full price (I'm not sure what domestic games sell for over there. Someone can elaborate if they know.)

I personaly think that the Piracy issue hurts the Chinese developers more then any other person in this. If there was alot less piracy in China, a majoraty of the games sold there will be at full price, now although this will exclude some people from playing the games, it will also put the Chinese developed games on the same level as all the other games. (It whould be the same price or cheaper to buy a domestic Chinese made game, then get a game made in a different country. But it won't be the full price chinese game fighting against 20 knock offs of imported games any more.) This will stimulate and encorage the developers to make better quality games knowing that once they are on the market, they will be competeing with games at the same retail price instead of 200 times cheaper. In time, they could earn money and play on a global level.

If Korea can do it, I have every beleaf that China can do it as well. But its going to be up to its people to decide how they are going to be able to pump money into the system so developers can have the freadom and time to make a product worthy of competeing in a global market in order to gain extra money from overseas markets. Mabe the money generated from their online games will be enough to jump start their development system. Seemed to work for Korea.

orvski
05-19-2005, 06:51 AM
How does stealing foriegn products improve China's overall culture? Most of these Movies and Games are made for entertainment. I don't see how that makes them more cultured.

He doesnt necessarily mean games and movies, programs too. How does it affect the culture? Well its not really the "culture" thats affected, its the people. If they cant pirate programs, they wont be able to learn them or use them for whatever they need it for. If they cant pirate games, they wont get exposure into whats out there (besides their chinese made games) and same goes for movies. Alot of people are inspired by movies and games and so if they cant get that, i guess itll make them go far behind.. I think thats what Lunatique is saying.

simoncheng
05-19-2005, 10:14 AM
pirate are common in most country now are these day.
almost everything. dvd,audio cd,games console, books(remember the harry porter?),
ps2,xbox,handphone,watch,dvd player and almost everything you can dream of.
do you believe even the car? remember currently the china's car?

i really agree with lunatique. if everything is original.
most people won't able to enjoy it.
just imagine, it cost about RM100/+ for the original ps2 games or dvd movie in malaysia.
how many of us able to built a library of it? how much income average to survive it?

no enemy-making here, how many original 3d software user at this cg network?

kfc
05-19-2005, 11:01 AM
That's why I've switched to open source app.
Linux for a start.
Since I've made the switch, I've always recommending friends to make the switch too. Especially to ppl who can't afford original software.
The awareness of licensing isn't so strong in most asian countries. But I can see some improvements now in singapore.

Pirated DVDs, VCDs and games is totally out of control. That's why rather just watch the show in cinema and only buy DVDs worth for collection. I can see government in Malaysia trying to license some former pirates and make their DVDs or VCDs legal. And it's repackaged and sold at the price slightly between pirate copy and original copy.

For games. hmm... i don't really have much time for games except some free games online. haha... gunbound.

Some improvements on original games tho. Atleast I can see more shops is selling original titles than before. Some spots selling pirate software and games in the city has closed by gov a while ago.

Why don't everybody just switch to Linux??
hahaha....

kfc
05-19-2005, 11:05 AM
btw, lunatique and stahlberg's artworks always got 'pirated' and used in the covers for pirated games and software CDs.
I feel kinda sad about it but at the same time happy for them. Atleast this proves that their work are really popular even to non cg ppl. But again, sad that artist like us can't really do anything about it when such piracy happens.

Lunatique
05-19-2005, 11:28 AM
btw, lunatique and stahlberg's artworks always got 'pirated' and used in the covers for pirated games and software CDs.
I feel kinda sad about it but at the same time happy for them. Atleast this proves that their work are really popular even to non cg ppl. But again, sad that artist like us can't really do anything about it when such piracy happens.

WTF? They pirate my stuff for game covers? When? What games and what pieces of mine?

kfc
05-19-2005, 11:46 AM
sorry double post.
server problem

kfc
05-19-2005, 11:49 AM
it's Some kinda compilation game.
ur work involved is the angel for promise and wolf girl.
I saw it a couple of months ago, something like SFC nintendo and Sega games compilation CD. and some on graphic software compilation CDs. U should check it out in china tho, i believe this could happen to be the same in china.
Steven's artworks like nfs, girls on chair, phone girl and etc also in the same kinda fate.

wuxi_dakar
05-21-2005, 03:47 AM
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wait and see,things will get better:)

Frank Lake
05-21-2005, 07:25 PM
wuxi_dakar,

That is VERY VERY unlikely because every country, that has goods to sell, in the world wants part of the China market. And if they want a part of that market they aren't gonna make demands from the gov't that could be used against them when it comes to dealing with it's rulers.

So if you don't have a native govt that cares about foreign piracy nor the country that is SUPPOSED to, just how are you going to reduce it?

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