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marktsang
05-17-2005, 01:35 AM
hi all,
this is my first attempt at the animation sessions - havent been animating that long really but practice makes perfect ..

basically the knife thrower will throw the knives (hes not very good) hitting the ropes holding up his assistants arms - the assistant will fall as the last knife strikes the place where hiis head was ... lucky man....

heres the thumbs

http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/knifethrower.gif

here is some of the inital blocking - not all in there yet but a bit of a feel of it anyway

--> http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/blocking1.avi
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--> http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/blocking1.mov
quicktime version (sorenson 3)
good luck all

mark

ivanisavich
05-17-2005, 02:29 AM
Hey Mark,

I like it :)...my only question is why he would continue to throw knives, after he's seen the ropes cut (ie...he'd probably stop once he realized that his partner was loose). So...my suggestion would be to maybe have the knife thrower blindfolded :D...that would get around that potential "problem". Also...it would make it a bit funnier because the blindfolded knife thrower thinks he's doing a great job, while his partner is panicking and trying to escape his poorly-thrown knives.

Keep it up!

marktsang
05-17-2005, 11:24 AM
heh ,
hi ivan - thanks for posting - look a little closer at the blocking :D he is blindfolded :) i guess its hard to see because its grey(its frozen) but is red in the final render so is easy to spot

thanks

mark

Remi
05-17-2005, 09:57 PM
Looks good to me...I think you could really exaggerate the antic to the throw....would add a bit more comedy to it...and maybe after each through he could drop into a super cool pose and pop right back up to throw another. Just some suggestions....good job so far though..keep going:)

marktsang
05-18-2005, 11:53 AM
hi all,
have done a bit more of the blocking now for the assistant -

--> http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/blocking3.avi (http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/blocking1.avi)
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--> http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/blocking3.mov (http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/blocking1.mov)
quicktime version (sorenson 3)

remi, thanks for taking the time to have a look and comment i appreciate it, will have a look at spicing up the knife thrower poses in the next stage

mark

ivanisavich
05-18-2005, 03:06 PM
Hey Mark,

Sorry dude....when I posted last time all I had seen were the boards ;)

Anyways....checked out your latest anim update and it looks great. My only comment so far would be to have the thrower pull his arm back farther before he throws each knife. Right now it looks like the knives are travelling faster than he's throwing them.

Keep it up :)

ivanisavich
05-18-2005, 03:08 PM
Crap. Remi already suggested that.

Haha...I'm so out of it today :P

marktsang
05-18-2005, 03:52 PM
hi ivanisavich,
thanks for taking another look - yeah i am going to fix those thrower poses today i hope :P
i am really enjoying this.....so glad i entered this thing

cheers all
mark

marktsang
05-19-2005, 01:49 PM
hello all,
small update - nearly finished the first pass of the blocking now - lots left to do and still have to fix some poses but im fairly happy with it in general

->http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/blocking4.mov
sorenson 3 qt
->http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/blocking4.avi
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any comments , suggestions or crits appreciated

cheers
mark tsang

marktsang
05-23-2005, 12:48 AM
hi all,
just started doing a second blocking pass,
let me know what you think - ya hear!

->http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/blockingpass2.avi
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->http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/blockingpass2.mov
quicktime sorenson 3

cheers,
mark

ivanisavich
05-23-2005, 02:03 AM
Hi Mark,

Ok...you still need to keep pushing those throw poses. I'm thinking maybe bring his right foot back a bit farther, so his torso faces us a bit more...that way he can really lean back on that foot and put some weight into his throws.

Also...I think you should move the thrower back farther...right now he's a little too close to the "dartboard"....maybe change up the composition a bit too, with an over-the-shoulder shot of the thrower, looking in the direction of the board.

I like how the guy tied to the board falls down near the end...but might I suggest a new ending? I see you have 90 frames to spare so maybe you could put something like this in:

-thrower tosses the first three darts (as you currently have it), and the guy tied to the board is let down
-as the thrower gets ready to throw a fourth dart (he takes a bit longer to throw this one)...the guy who was tied to the board tears his feet out of the last straps (thus completely releasing him from the board) and stands up, waving his hands to stop the throwe (who of course can't see him)
-the thrower throws his last dart (without knowing that the other guy is standing in front of him, waving his arms to stop frantically), and either...
a) finally NAILS the guy who was tied to the board, sending him flying up against the board, like an insect being pinned down.
b) throws the dart but misses once again....but not before the guy who was once tied to the board does an elaborate last-dodge (I dunno...maybe he contorts his body in a really awkward way)
c) throws the dart, but the guy who's been released CATCHES it in mid-air (superhero-style), and throws it back angrily :)

Just my $0.14 ;)

Keep it up!

nomadicrain
05-23-2005, 02:22 PM
Ivan - That last idea is absolutely hilarious. That would be a great ending. I do agree with what he suggests though. The poses need to be more extreme and an over the shoulder shot would be good as well. Keep it up.

marktsang
05-23-2005, 04:05 PM
hi all,
ivanisvich thanks for taking the time to reply,
i take on board all your points - they are all vaild and good
i am trying to work on the throwing pose to make them stronger but i will not be chaging the ending as unfortunatly i wont have enought time to devote to doing that, so i will struggle on with what i have - any pointers on improving the posing appreciated
here is what i have come up with after thinking about it a bit more, im sure it can be improved on more!!!

would appreciate if people left opinions on if it is improved.
->http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/throwpose.avi
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->http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/throwpose.mov (http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/throwpose.avi)
quicktime sorenson 3

cheers
mark

nomadicrain
05-23-2005, 06:58 PM
My suggestion for the poses would be to think of him almost like a major league pitcher. Get him in those kind of exagerated positions like you see a pitcher in when throwing to the plate, then I think you will be getting some good poses going on. Just my 2c.

marktsang
05-23-2005, 07:21 PM
thanks for the tip nomadicrain, im not familar with baseball as i live in ireland but i will google it and see what comes up - if you know any good video clips please let me know

thanks
mark

eek
05-23-2005, 07:59 PM
Push the rotatations!, get a stronger arc threw the throw!, roll hes chest. It all depends on what performance you want. Is he a crazy knife thrower? is he a subtle precise, controlled thrower. Has he done this before? is he after the blind folds on, gunna kinda feel the throw hes gunna make. (like a golf doing a few practise swipes before a hit)

Its not just a character throwing something, hes coming from something and going to something.

and get good reference!

eek

joconnell
05-23-2005, 11:53 PM
Back to animating! Both of you!

;)

marktsang
05-24-2005, 12:02 AM
oi john back to doing somthing yourself !!!#

so there!

nomadicrain
05-24-2005, 03:06 PM
Here are a couple videos of Baseball Pitchers, now the videos are large (between 10mb and 35mb) but they are good reference. Now I was just suggesting this for reference for very exreme poses because a pitcher has about the most extreme poses in a throwing motion that I have seen.


(Right click, save as...)
http://www.intellisolv.com/oldis/pitch1.wmv
http://www.intellisolv.com/oldis/pitch2.wmv

Hope this helps.

These will only be on the server for a week or so, boss would get a little grumpy about me putting these out there.

marktsang
05-24-2005, 03:36 PM
thanks for the llinks man

mark

marktsang
05-24-2005, 03:55 PM
hi,
changed the throw again

->http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/throwpose2.avi
->http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/throwpose2.mov

mark

nomadicrain
05-24-2005, 03:58 PM
Hope they help some for you. I like the change but maybe have is arm come back a bit farther, like he is really winding up to toss those knives.

AmirP
05-24-2005, 04:37 PM
Looks good :)

At the pose right before the knife leaves his hand, you can leave the hand in the back, behind the body, fallowing the sholder, meaning that the elbow would be stright up from the sholder and the hand stright left to the elbow, this should create a really nice drag effect from the sholder down to the hand

EDIT:
oh and at that same pose you could rotate the head back too, to create the same effect

marktsang
05-26-2005, 04:54 PM
hi,
update the throw again , im much happier with it now , thanks Amirp for the tips.

http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/blocking7.mov
sorenson 3
http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/blocking7.avi
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mark

AmirP
05-26-2005, 05:17 PM
Your welcomed :)

Its looks better, but I think you over did it with the head, the head looks like it has no power of its own, the head try's to ajust to the body, so it shouldnt drag behind the torso movments

marktsang
05-30-2005, 04:55 PM
ok,
im onto linear keys now.. and started to refine the assistant

let me know what ye think

->http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/linear1.mov
sorenson 3
->http://www.sitesled.com/members/marktsang/linear1.avi
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cheers,
mark tsang

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