Character- megrik(orc)

[supernekosan]

okey just now i started working on the torso...here is ow it look + the ref i have made (carachter design)!! dont be afraid to reply!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/torso1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/torso3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/torso2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/torso.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/ork-ref.jpg

[the_podman]

Nice to see you back in the cgtalk forums, Supernekosan! (super cat person?)

Always enjoy looking at your modeling, I learn quite a bit.

Only crit I have is the chest is a little narrow and small but it does match your concept though.

-pod:)

[supernekosan]

ho!!! tanx the pod man...^^ here is a litle update..i just worked a litle bit more on the chest!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/chess4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/chess3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/chess2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/chess.jpg

hey why did no body reply!!! :D

[utchamp]

because that is awsome!! and there is not much to say against it??


the only thing is that orcs are not very advanced, so you might consider making the straps that hang down leather instead of metal.... just a suggestion.

can't wait for the rest of the Orc.

[Por@szek]

I'm waiting for some of Your incredible textures but I must say that model looks great. Really scarry :) I hope the texture will give him more of dark side :)

[supernekosan]

okey now i have started the back here is somme screen shot..ho i got to rework on the pec!!and the arms..o well at lest its fun!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/profil2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/back.jpg

[supernekosan]

hey the_podman i just rework the pec a litle bit more as you telle me....and tanx for the advise...i tink he look more powerful like this!!..dont you??

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/pec2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/pec1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/pec.jpg

next step are the shoulders!!..gota keep working!!

[supernekosan]

finaly i have changed my mind and started working on the but! here are somme screen..sorry if there is so many..it's just that i always tink its kind of a realy hard part to make..so im kind of proud of this one..but critics is very welcolm..it is far from perfect..you know!!^^


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/but4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/but3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/but2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/but1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/but.jpg

[supernekosan]

by the way right now i ame at...2304 tri! will i be able to do only 5000 trri?

[the_podman]

yeah, the pec is looking better. It's definately more defined. You did a nice job on the smoothing groups. Maybe a wire post would be nice. Good luck!

Also, I think the armpit area needs to receed in more, it's a little too thick.

:thumbsup:

[dpizzle]

it looks like you have a different way of modeling than I do..
would you mind telling a little bit about your modeling style?
( i'm refering to the way you start at the top and work down)

thanks

[utchamp]

OOOooh!!! nice!!

I like the progress that you have made... he looks really mean!

Are you going to model a weapon for him? like a double sided battle axe?

Anyway for the crits.
His back muscles look really good except for the muscle that wraps around to the front from the side [look up the Mr. Olympia contest, they have really good pics of muscles]

The middle of his back has too big of a dip in it :)

Love the nose!!

[supernekosan]

dpizzle:..im not using any special way of modeling..i ame just starting from a plane..and doing edge extrude alll the way!!

utchamp: yea of cours..an axe or a realy bif sword..anyway i tink i will do more tan one orc.. starting from the same model

[supernekosan]

okey here I have just started the legs!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/legs.jpg

[supernekosan]

okey this is not realy an update..more like a test..i ame triing to understand zbrush..it is a realy cool programe....if only i can make a hi rez version and a normal map...tat can be realy cool!!so im doing my best..here is some test...not good enought yet

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/hirez.jpg

[Mrdes]

Heyya. Lookin pretty cool. I just started fooling around with zbrush as well and its pretty neat. Lately I've been hearing so much talk about normal maps. I've been wondering what are they exactly and how do they work. Any idea where I can read more about it or is there a simple explanation?

[supernekosan]

okey its almost finish...all it need now its somme ands and feet...but critics are always welcome!! here is some screen!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/legsfinal8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/legsfinal7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/legsfinal6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/legsfinal5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/legsfinal4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/legsfinal3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/legsfinal2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/legsfinal.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/faceup.jpg

sorry i know there is to many screenshot!! anyway i still have more to do!

ho yea and here is a screen of how my z brush training is going..just randome project..men i cant believ how it is fast to work with z brush!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/serpent.jpg

[supernekosan]

sorry Mrdes the normal map seem just a litle to hard to explaine with my level of english!! but in short it can make your low rez look like a hi rez!!...ouep!! its doing almost the same as bump map...but whit another feture...it add angle...so the light can work more efficiently with the model and creat a beter illusion!!well actualy to paint a bump map its only white and blak(grayscale)...but a normal is more like light blu..is neutral..red is from top.....ho men i dont remamber...gota rechek evriting!!sorry i dont tink i ame de best persone to explaine it to you!!!lol!!but i did undertand it!!...sorry!!!

[supernekosan]

okey today i did start the texture...here what i have done yet...men this is the best part!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/lookit.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/sider.jpg

by the way i know i ame doing a lote of project at the same time..but dont worry..this one is my main project..the other one are just some test i ame making for fun!!

[the_podman]

That's cool. I like the shapes and forms you are going with. Just make sure you do some color seperation or make the head a different hue of green than body. Personally, I would go with a light pink on areas of his head, seeing he's a pig and all. A good test is too view your character from a distance. I like characters that have distinctive colors that separate head, body, arms, etc. Sometimes, I get lost in the details, but it can become too much, you know what I mean? You can place warm colors in areas you want to pop forward and cool ones you want to pull back.


Glad you think texturing is the best part. I wish I thought so too, but it's very demanding of me. I struggle with color which is why I work in greyscale, although it often doesn't yeild the same results as painting well with color right away.

:)

[supernekosan]

tanx the pod man..but il start..with evryting this color first..and after evryting finish..il begin to play with color..but i was tinking of someting a litle bit pink as well..green pink..yea!!

[supernekosan]

hum okey I have a question for evrybodi..hum i have did some color test...but i im not sure yet...about what is best..can you help me? plz^^

okey i have did 3 diferant color test


#1
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/orkgreen.jpg
this is the first version..totaly green

#2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/orkpink.jpg
this is another version..more pink

#3
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/orkmixcolor.jpg
this is the mix between the 2 color


tanx in advance... ho yea here is a litle update also!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/body.jpg

[the_podman]

I like number 2. Perhaps blend more past his neck. Don't forget to paint in some really dark areas to really get some depth in it.

Looks great. Really like how you paint. Kinda sloppy, but it's a style.:thumbsup:

[supernekosan]

yea pod i liked the pink version to..il take that in consideration..when il start playing with color!!

[supernekosan]

okey here is just a litle update...almost finish..personaly i tink i will restart the texture..after this..i have been tinking about doing a normal map..and its not a good idea to begin with the dif ..so il start doing a hi rez soon!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/almost.jpg

[the_podman]

It's not so bad to start with diffuse map, it's just that it'll give you a different look. I'm not really to into normal mapping, however, you can use Zbrush to give you more acurate shadows in your color/diffuse map which I am researching now. :) The cool thing about Zspheres is once you get the hang of the strange Zbrush interface, it's pretty easy to model. Still getting used to it myself. It's weird, but fun :) This is my first attempt (http://www.rodbrett.com/Snap1.jpg).

Model looks good so far, but where are his clothes? Will he be naked?:shrug: Would really like to know about how you paint the textures, in particular, what brushes you use to smudge the initial shading. It's really nice.

Hey dpizzle: Supernekosan uses this method of modeling that's very similar to one of my teachers. It's the "edge extrude" method that saves lots of time if you are really good at it. You basically "pull out" the profile of the model instead of "cutting up" a box/cylinder. Because max doesn't really have a "split poly" tool with a whole lot of control other than "connect edges" (at least not that I know of), this may be an easier method to model, although it's difficult for me cause you can't block out the whole thing. :)

-pod

[supernekosan]

ok here i have geting started with a hi rez...sory the pod man but i ame doing this one in max..but maybe i will had some detail in zbrush after!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/hi-rez2.jpg
front

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/hi-rez3.jpg
left

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/merge-togeter.jpg
hi poly +low poly test!^^

tanx!^^

ho and the pod man about the armor..im still tinking about doing it..i just wanted to have the naked ork finish first..and after i will try diferant armor on im!! just wanted to make more than one version!^^

[the_podman]

Looking nice and clean. The lightmap is nice. I especially like the inner reflected cool light on the brow. Depending on how much detail you are going to sculpt, you may still have to do some handpainting, although if you're going with the normal map, you won't have to paint too many faked shadows, if any. Zbrush isn't all that hard once you get your head around the interface. If you decide to use it, you can get some really excellent skin effects with the sculpting tools and projection master. I've been practicing it all month. There's a practicle guide that is really helpful right here:

http://206.145.80.239/zbc/showthread.php?t=3471 (http://206.145.80.239/zbc/showthread.php?t=3471)

You have to register to download it but registration is free, similar to cgtalk.

Good luck. I admire your persistence. To do the entire texture map again from scratch takes a lot. :)

[obelisk]

Hey Super,

He's looking good. Nice back / lower back, and a great butt! (My girlfriend wants to know what I'm looking at... it's a model... really...) I think his upper arms could do with some more definition between the bicepts and tricepts, and that his abs could do with some detailing. The abs you'll probably get through texturing, but I think you'll need to look at the geometry in the upper arms. Can you post a wire?

Great to see an orc that doesn't look like evry other freakin' orc. Peter Jackson has a lot to answer for...

Keep it coming

-O

BTW: That really is a very nice butt ;)

[Beastie]

Id make the chest biggest since hes got huge arms n legs. Right now the proportions seems little off because of it.

[drawdraw.com]

i think d some more off center stuff with the teeth and ears maybe.

[supernekosan]

Ok , so i ended up changing idea, once again , I won't do a hi resolution version for the normal map in max , but in z brush , cause its faster and the result seems to be better . So here is a test , to start , the hi resolution for what i did so far ,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/hirez.jpg

and the low res , to which i added a mesh smoot to 1 for a better quality

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/normtonorm.jpg

+ a test of normal map on the original mesh 3000 tri with normal map.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/lowpolynosmoot.jpg

With all that , i came to realise that it was useless to model all the muscles,
cause it would complicate things to make a high res and harder to put the normal map on the model , without seeing the defaults. Next time ,
I will model less , to park the shadow and finish with the normal map

[supernekosan]

okey, here i just finish the arms...what do you tink!^^(exactly 3420 tri for all the model..about the hi rez..dont know..maybe someting like..hum 500 000..dont know ow to see the poly cont in z brush!)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/arms.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/armsw.jpg
+wire!^^

now allt that is still left..is the legs and the feet..after this all be ready to start the armor!^^

[hanzo]

supernekosan nice man, glad to see ya working on a new project.

I'll keep my eye out :eek:

[supernekosan]

okey here is a overall look of the orc with normal..and beter light^^

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/over-all.jpg

[supernekosan]

okey i finaly finish the textur for the orc..i can start the armor..now

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik/front.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/back.jpg

wath do you tink??

[supernekosan]

here i finaly get to start the armor..^^

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik2/armor.jpg

[supernekosan]

im still working on the armor!! here is a update...if anybody as somme idea...its the time..because it will be to late wen i will start the texture^^tanx! in advance!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik2/orc.jpg

[franklyn]

i dont understand why you are doing both the old style of texturing with extremely dark shadowing and a nomral map ? .. the normal map means that you dont have to do as much work with shadows i thin kthat the dark parts are too dark and the spec map is bump way to high.. maybe try defining the texture a bit more look at some skin pores and stuff. btw i absolutely love the high res and the modeling but it seems like hes a bit heavier and bigger than ur concept ?

[Mrdes]

Might be too late but I think the proportions are off. The upper trapezius muscles look much too small. They dont really look nearly as buff as the deltoids and the rest of the arms. The middle traps are huge and then they just go upwards into the upper traps and get really tiny in comparison. And the torso looks really short. To me his hips look like theyre connected to the torso even higher than where the rib cage ends. I think changing these things would help out the character a lot.

[supernekosan]

franklyn- ^^ tanx a lot you were right...you see its my first time doing a normal maped model so i kind of make the texture..the same way as always...but it seem...it was beter to work on the skin texture..more than help..the modeling with darker area...here how the skin is looking now...tanx again! i tink its a lot beter

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik2/new-skin.jpg


Mrdes- maybe you are right but it is to late..tanx anyway!^^

[supernekosan]

okey here is the armor..almost finish..frout and back

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik2/back.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/supernekosan/megrik2/front.jpg

if you have critics about the skin or the armor..you are more than welcome..the texture is not perfect yet^^

[supernekosan]

hey franklyn about the ref....i didn't make any ref it is more like a idea ade..i just draw someting..to see what i almost wanted..but i was not tinking about folowing the ref from the start....its rar that i ame working with ref..i prefer to use my imagination...!!

[hanzo]

not bad man, very detailed normal mapping ;).

however I have 2 crits the skin shouldn't be pinkish, this really through's off the howl thing and I think you should scrap the background leave it grey or black the one you have looks kinda tacky ( sorry ) maybe why don't you try a 3 light with shadow approach this does wonders with normal mapping. just keep Messing with the lamps basicaly, find just that right look.

anyway nice work, be looking for updates :)

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