Red Dress

[Loulu79]

Since this is your piece...what mood would you like it to be? You seem to be going with an interesting lonesomeness...or moodiness...I get the sense that you what to portray some sense of restlessness...For me personally that is...

Maybe some sort of angst or frustration? Is your subject/character frustrated? Calm? Sad? Happy? Another thing with anatomy...you need to work on the feet and the arms...the proportions so far are good right now...the face carries a lot of promising expressions...so you're doing fine ...

Another thing that might help...Have you seen any skin tutorials? Look for it here in the articles section of this cgtalk. I've come across mighty helpful ones...

I hope so far my comments above doesn't overwhelm you ...;)

try this site:
www.google.com (http://www.google.com)
go to > images then type either plants or climbing plants.

I hope you have access to this site...I find this as a virtual library of anything you want...


Edit: Oooh!:lightbulb I have an idea...step outside and have a real sample of a plant.... any type of plant...with its roots intact...put the plant of your choice on paper. The paper will represent your wall...and as you go about that...play around with lighting...say...shed a lamp on it to get the 'feel' that you want...

Having your own experiments on that is fun...and helpful. Hope that helps for you

Good Luck! I like where you're going with this so far...:thumbsup:

[yulias]

THANKS!

theres just one problem, when i was resizing it and flatining... i acsidently pressed save... whoops. so its back to step 4. but ill do the root thing, that sounds really really fun.

id do it now...

only im locked out and my computer is in the other house... waaa now i have to wait like an hour before i can draw. what am i gunna do?? and my school uniform is extreamly hot... what a depressing day.. :(

[yulias]

latest update. got the skin a bit better, did some more dressyness. well, you can see the difference. im up to 6 hours working on this, give or take. so far no references, im gunna try and get it as realistic as i can without using any at all. its a death challenge :P mwaha


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-7.jpg

[umbrellasky]

Looks fantastic so far :D I love the colours, the contrast of the green and red is gorgeous. I can't think of any helpful crit right now but keep it going can't wait to see the final piece :)

[Loulu79]

Yes the skin and the progess looks gorgeous...So I see that your earlier situation got you obessessed with this piece eh...? Happens to the best of us I'm afraid. I still strongly recommend a real life plant with its roots intact. This takes up less of your time...honest to goodness. Less guessing. Somehow the sketchy shadows for the plants looks interesting to me...

Keep going...persevere ;)

Edit: Whoops! I almost forgot to tell you: Her right foot looks off. It looks as if she's painfully twisting it...I'm saying that because I'm seeing too much of her sole...

So far so good....that's all ... :)

[yulias]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-9.jpg

latest

am i the only one who thinks the tree is too busy?

so far 13 hours. not tutorials or outside help or anything. however i thought of roots ;P thanks alot it helped

[MrGrinch]

I like the complex patterns of the tree actually, they seem to be encroaching on her space. Like there's something weighing heavily on her mind, the vines seem quite metaphoric, whether you intended that or not. They work very well.

There's slight anatomy issues, like the upper arm being a little long and the limbs being overall a little thin. I'd suggest finding some photos of people in that postion, or even getting someone to pose for you to really have a look at the shape of the limbs when they're bent like that. At the moment they seem a little barbie-like, very stiff like hard plastic.

I think this picture has potential, I like what you've done with the face so far, but work on the overall pose before doing details, otherwise you'll get precious and want to save them even if the picture doesnt work as a whole ( I know I do that ). Keep going.

[yulias]

hmm plastic... what i was trying to avoid..

well i cant use refrences of any kind because im not letting myself just for this picture. but i think its less the anatomy now that i look at it this way, but more the shadow on the leg and the arm maybe. i dont know, im going to have to muddle my way through this.. the dress needs to be defined too and i have no idea how im going to do that...

so much work to do.. ugh lets hope i have this finished in 25 hours or less...

[PSD]

i like the overall feeling of your picture.

i think you can correct the length of the upper arm by moving the highlight on the shoulder in direction of the arm.
my main problem is that if there is a highlight like this, the shadows should be a bit stronger and more defined. by now the general light is a diffuse light, therefore the highlights should be diffuse too.

maybe you should do a rough shadowing to find out where to place them.

[Loulu79]

I totally agree with PSD & MrGrinch. Refs take less time and space. Do you have any siblings? Friends? Or any willing volunteer to be in that pose? And while he/she is in that pose, look at the skin texture. And I'm glad that you tried the roots. The business of the roots makes so much sense...because she looks disturbed...and the roots represent her mind to me...

There's a lot of potential in this piece. I'm looking forward to the end result.
Nuff said ;)

[yulias]

k, i redid the body so far.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-10.jpg

now, i wanna keep away from references. i havnt used one so far (i didnt use roots on the paper, i just thought about them ;P) and as strange as it sounds, even if i did want references i cant take them myself. i have no friends or family (im quite serious, the japanese give you this scary look if you ask them to pose...maybe its because im an alien..) and its difficult to take the photo yourself... if i got it wrong again ill go look for a reference on the internet i guess...

i dont really mind how long this takes, so time isnt really important..

i wanted to do death challenge :'(

[MrGrinch]

It's looking a bit better this time, the limbs have more shape. I'm not sure what your ideas about using references are, but the very best artists always use reference. It's not possible to become a great artist untill you can humble yourself by admitting that you dont actually know exactly what everything looks like, and look to reality to show you. And if live models are hard to come across, there are huge online libraries of images just waiting to help you. Dont fall into the trap of thinking "if I use references, that means I'm copying"

[yulias]

my idea on refrences is that they are great and i use them almost always. but sometimes i want to see what i can do without. this is that picture. i like testing myself and seeing what i can do. im not out to be the best, i just want to have fun with my pictures. its not about speed, its not about how well i draw. its about the fun of just doing it. i think i might actually be a little strange because i have day dreams about drawing lines when im far from a sheet of paper and a pencil

but i can understand your concern. ive seen artwork from people who refuse to use references entirely and its pretty bad :P and i remember what my stuff was like before i started actually studying anatomy. i used to be against using references but then i realized it was silly. ive found really great sites like 3d.sk (i think? i have it bookmarked somewhere) that has fat models skinly models, male, female, young, old, clothed, nude, hair, and even facial expresions. (if anyone wants the actual link, just remember that its 18 plus)

anyways, the point of all that was, i know references are good, im just fooling around here because thats what i do.

now, back to ze picture

am i the only one who thinks the feet are too happy?
thnx for you concern mrgrinch, it means alot :D

EDIT*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-12.jpg

latest image

[Loulu79]

I put myself in the exact pose just awhile ago...to be a better critic and to help you better. From that experience...I felt a stretch from my neck and spine...meaning it's not an easy pose as thought...esp. when you're not that flexible and the artist prolongs it.

Anyway, the main reason why I posed was that I have access to long and big mirrors...so I got to see the entire anatomy. What I noticed is that your spine is too far out...best to adjust that. Her legs need to be a bit much closer to her torso area. And her chest is therefore resting on her knees. There's something quite not right with the neck...hmmm let me use myself as reference again and go see...her neck is "unnaturally" long and not properly connected to her head. I have a long neck like hers...so that's why I say that....but it appears unnatural...not because of its length...but because of your spine. It too far out.

And I think the reason why her feet are "too happy" is because anatomical-wise...to get that pose and be comfortable in that pose...the feet either need to be tucked in or...let me go back ...she has to lean forward a bit more...that's the way to grasp that beautiful pose with the feet hanging like that.

I wish to have a picture of myself in that pose...but I only can give you feedback on what I saw...

Hope what I said helps a lot...I really want you to have fun with this :arteest:

Edit: Oh I forgot to tell you: The roots are fine! You're getting somewhere with it. I say add...hairy roots...just a few...not too much.:D

[yulias]

this picture is starting to go sour, if its not done by the end of the week ill probly just put it down...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-13.jpg

i dont like how this turned out

[yulias]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-14.jpg

i got a reference :D i should listen more often. i was crazy to try and finish it (or start it) without

[yulias]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-20.jpg

been working on it non stop, the colouring is off i think. maybe so is the lighting... help please

[jmBoekestein]

Maybe some more colourvariation in the lighting and some more complexity would help. Bouncing light would definitely add to the magic of it.

:scream:ROCK IS VERY MUCH ALIVE THANK YOU:scream:

[Loulu79]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-20.jpg

been working on it non stop, the colouring is off i think. maybe so is the lighting... help please

This is so much better...yeah!!!

Now all you need is more drama with lighting. That is what would bring out the colouring. It probably appears off...because it looks real;). For heightened drama...get some sort of spotlight on her...That's just a suggestion.

Other than that ... great, great job. I'm so proud of you:beer:

[Elaeria]

Great work on the skin. I like to see how far you have progressed with this piece. It can be frustrating, I know but keep it up!
I really like the mood of this piece. What prompted you to change the object she is sitting on? I like them both, but I think they convey different "feels" to the painting.
Beautiful piece! Can't wait to see more. :)
~Ela~

[PSD]

nice improvement,
i agree with Elaeria and i think the same about the slightly transparent dress you had before. she looked more vulnerable. this dress looks more like a heavy weigt lying on her (doesn't mean the silk like dress looks to heavy). also she and her dress do look somehow photorealistic but the rest looks more illustrative. i like both and a combination too.

but nevertheless nice work.

gp

[yulias]

thanks alot everyone. ive really only been working on that blasted wall for the past week. i had to redraw it twice and the computer decided to be a jerk and delete it when i was almost done. so, here is the wall up till now. i figured i should update

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-24.jpg

i hope you guys like the changes, but if you think i should go back to the last one i will because im not sure. i took away the strong contrast from around her and put it below her
but im not sure.

if anyones is wondering, the wall was made with 2 photo references, 3 filters, a colloge of photos as an under painting (all photos were royalty free from a happy reference site), 4 layers, loooots of brushes, 14 or so hours of painting with all screwups, 4 bottles of green tea, and a hell of a lot of chocolate. mwahah

and mr. jm.... ROCK IS DEAD!! paper and scissors conspired against it. it was horrible. paper is next because scissors is a double crosser (hehehe i dotn think anyone know whi i find that funny) :D

let me know what you think

[ElKrullo]

Wow Yulias, really nice stuff!

Great improvement in the last image. I think I like det desaturated colors on the wall better since it feels more natural. The image is kind of small, but the plant still looks kind of sketchy. Do you plan to detail it more? Her hair could use some more work as well. I'd love to see a closeup of the details!

[umbrellasky]

wow pretty amazing work since I last visited here. Gosh I'm really impressed I love the work on the wall and the main character, excellent! :D

[Elaeria]

Nice job on the wall! I also really like the fabric of the dress, the folds of cloth are nicely done. This has changed so much since I last saw it!

Keep it up!
~Ela~

[jmBoekestein]

I didn't see that one coming actually:surprised. Was very much on my toessies for a lyrical strike.:wise:

Pic's coming along nicely for sure. I think the dark contrast is very cool maybe you should consider doing the whole wall dark and maybe putting a light source somehow toi bring out the details like the tree/bush. :thumbsup:

[Loulu79]

I have no prob on your lighting and texture...Well done! The only thing I say is that I prefer the look of the girl's head and hair...in the one just before this. It looked more realistic to me.

Very good so far...It's maturing really well...Just leave her how you had it with the pict before.

:beer:

[yulias]

how much more work should i do on this? should i super refine the wall and vines? or should i just fix the hair and let it go? should i keep going...

[Sunbane]

The wall is looking awesome, so you really don't need to work any further on that. =)
However, is that water on the ground there? That would call for some surface reflection I think, to drive the point home.

Marvellous job!

[yulias]

alrighty, so i went on and did the branches really detailed. they still need work and so does the wall and the water etc etc. everything needs work. and id do it, if only my computer hadnt broken. it seems the fan is having some trouble. ill see what i can do. heres the latest work

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/untitled25.jpg

and close ups for those who want close ups

body
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/closeup1.jpg

branches
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/closeup2.jpg

[Nazirull]

She has been tired...let the things mess her self up...then sit down and stare blankly trying to make anything ever out of the things that had happened. Some how shes trying to communicate with the artist....by looking at him....or at the viewer....:thumbsup:

Great emotional play....kudos!

[Loulu79]

She has been tired...let the things mess her self up...then sit down and stare blankly trying to make anything ever out of the things that had happened. Some how shes trying to communicate with the artist....by looking at him....or at the viewer....:thumbsup:

Great emotional play....kudos!

Aha! Someone understands the concept! Art communicaton has been accomplished!

Hmmm...You're finished to me that is...but I'm a lover of great intense detail. Therefore...give her more ooomph...a little more detail on the hair and the upper shoulders...They look blurred. The roots are perfect. Leave them alone.

[jmBoekestein]

Hey!!! Her hands and feet are really awesome. Amazing rendering no those, I wonder if you can pull that kind of rendering off on the rest. :thumbsup:

:eek:

[yulias]

hey guys, thanks.

nd jm, yeah the hands and feet took some time, im debating on wether or not i should make them have nails or not.... and what about the leg, dont you like the leg? pleaaseee like the leg.... all of that colouring .... so much time... just to get the shade of red right... and it didnt even work :(. it drove me crazy.

ive got colour problems atm. i need to get it all to mix together. im thinking about adding a yellow light to everything, what do you guys think?

[yulias]

latest, made dress nicer, added shadows. suggestions?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-26.jpg

[Loulu79]

Now it looks very solid...:thumbsup:

Edit: Hmmm...I think you need a few highlights in her hair...isn't not the light coming from above?

[yulias]

this is just an experement, let me know what you think

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-27copy.jpg

[vivien82]

this is starting to look really fabulous! fantastic work, i love this last one you posted.

[SurfGod69a]

I like the shadow rays i think it adds to the effect. Maybe disperse them like a cone more but it looks very good.

[Loulu79]

I love that lighting you did. Keep coming at it...:thumbsup:

[yulias]

alrighty, so you people like the new lighting. im not really sure about it, but it might be because im sad that there is going to be alot more work to do

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-27.jpg

i redid the lighting on the actual picture, here it is. ive still got alot to do, im not done yet, don worry

[Shin Tsuki]

fantastic work Yulias. I like the idea of that cone of light, but it doesn't look quite right to me. I think it looks like the back just has a cast shadow on it instead of having it look like it's being viewed through a beam of light. Maybe if you tried lightening up the dark part a bit?

[Loulu79]

Agreed...:wise:

[yulias]

k, a few people and i like the old version, but evryone else likes the new one. which one should i do? i like the feel of the old one..and the feet..

[Nailati]

I like the new version, but I really love the older one without the cone of light. I think the cool light in the older version gives it a more somber, lonely mood, which appeals to me. Though the cone of light gives more dramatic shadows, it's also warm and in my opinion takes away from the mood. I also prefer the contrast in the older version between the red dress and reddish skin tones, and the complementary green wall.

Whatever version you go with, it's been neat to watch this one progress. I love the reflections, the texture of the wall, and the skin tones.

[sKryptX]

Hi, I really liked the lighting and atmosphere of the image in your previous update (05-21-2005), yet the red dress looks somewhat saturated. In your last update the light looks too bright, so the composition looks 'flat'. The dress and dress reflection look better in your last update. I'm looking forward for your next updates, and I'm sure the painting will lokk great once you've finshed it.

[yulias]

perhaps i can find a happy medium?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-28.jpg

i think i might end up just uping the contrast in the original image, and making the tree more brown and lighter.

so far this has been my favorite

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/untitled25.jpg

ever since i passed that point, i havnt liked the changes. i dont know why. there is something wonderfull about update no. 25 :P

wow, it almost been a month since ive started working on this. you guys have really helped, if you werent here i would have stopped a long time ago. thanks for all of the advice so far :D

any critiques or comments are welcome

[hpslashluvr]

can you post a bigger image? just for me http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Loulu79]

:wise: I would say this: Whatever one is great for you as the creator, go for it! Both are good and both have advantages and disadvantages. The rest of us have our own tastes on what looks more appealing...which at this point might confuse you...I'm satisfied with the results so far...

[bao]

An awesome piece so far. I loved the version with the diagonal light, but your latest and favorite version is the best one so far.

The vines really catch my attention and i think you meant for the girl to be the main focus, if so, i think you should put some highlights on her shoulders and in the hair too to draw in the audience. I know, she so pale right now, but maybe you could also darken the background behind her too.

Well, that's just me, hope to see it finished!

Love that wall! How'd you do the bricks?

[yulias]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-29.jpg

what do you think of the latest? im trying to fix some composition problems... got a reference for the tree

[Nailati]

I prefer the previous version of the vines. I think the composition worked, because the large, complex mass of vines balanced out the small and intense area of red. I think the tangled vines were more evocative, as well. The pipe could be interesting, though.

[hpslashluvr]

i think the second one is more balanced actually, the vines were really neat but overpowered the simple figure...sometimes you have to make the choice of do i like it really that much to keep it, or is it better to just let it go. it's sort of cool how it looks like the tree is part of the wall (i know you just haven't painted it yet)...it'd be cool to have it half painted and half coming out of the wall.

[yulias]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-30.jpg

lastest

arg this is frustrating. better or worse?

[ElKrullo]

I think it looks a lot better! This change made it much more balanced IMO...
Good job!

[Ravien]

Hey yulias,

I think the vines and back wall look fantastic. Really excellent work there mate.

As far as I can see, there are only three areas that need work: her hair, her dress, and the reflections.

Her hair is too flat right now. I think it could do with some very subtle highlights in it.

Her dress has colour problems. A red dress like that would have noticable desaturation and hue shifting towards green in the shaded areas due to the green ambience. The shadows should be more brown than red (red dress + green light = brown). The brightest highlights would also be paler (less saturated, not brighter) and slightly shifted to green. I get the contrast that you are trying to achieve, and I think it's quite cool, but the dress looks too seperate from the rest of the image right now, and fixing those saturation/hue problems in the shadows and highlights will help make the piece feel like a whole. Also, the shadows could be brightened. Even with the darkness of the overall scene, the red dress is quite bright, so it would reflect light onto itself, and would catch light from her skin. Very few of the shadows on her dress should be as dark as you've got them.

Another thing you might want to do is add some subtle reflected red light onto the wall behind her. But whilst this would be more realistic, it might damage the effect your're trying to achieve.

The reflections right now look too smooth. I don't know why the floor is that shiny, but I would guess it's supposed to be water. If so, there should be ripple-like effects distorting the reflections. After all, she had to walk through the water before sitting on the chair :) Speaking of which, you could also consider adding some drips of water to her feet, but that's really being picky.

Hope that makes sense and helps some. I'm really looking forward to seeing your final piece. Great concept and emotion. Good work.

[yulias]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/madhatter-penguin/Untitled-32.jpg

latest. i scribbled some pattern onto the dress, should i add lace?

also, the picture looks very grey on this computer, im not sure if thats what it looks like to you, but its not supposed to


i added more detail to everything, but you cant see it yet because im not done and its practicly invisible on the size that photo bucket allows (i uploaded a much bigger picture..)

anyways, thats it. back to work i guess

[hpslashluvr]

i can't see any details! use imageshack.us before i die from not being able to see what you worked on :)

[jmBoekestein]

me too, I have to watch this on a cheap tft. It's too small, maybe you could post a close up of her body alone, for now that's the most interesting part I guess.:thumbsup: Good progress though, new contrast setting makes it more interesting I find. :D

[yulias]

http://img268.echo.cx/img268/2213/untitled343kj.th.jpg (http://img268.echo.cx/my.php?image=untitled343kj.jpg)

alrighty, we have a larger image. ive added water to her legs, but im not sure. the little white spot on her arm is supposed to be water too, but it looks like bird poo. something that must be fixed... later. on another forum it was suggested that i stop working on this, its probly what you are all thinking, but im not going to stop untill i think its finished. i want to get this into the cgchoice gallery, even if its farfetched and silly. that and theres alot of work to do (note that she has no eyes)

now, critique away!!

[Nazirull]

Strong, strong pose....and image. I like the way she curls up her toes almost like she is anticipating something.
Since her hair is wet and the floor is also wet, I would imagine that the water somehow came from above? And if that so i think u should give hints of water at some spot on her body....(which what your doing anyway...*slaphead*)

I cant see that stare of her anymore! I think we need to connect the girl and the viewer by showing her eyes through that messy wet hair....that i guess will be great...IMHO
Great...i love it.

[jmBoekestein]

You know what, I bet we could see her expression if we had even higher resolution imagery here. :curious:

I really like it but such little details as water drops would really only come out with higher res. Good luck. I'm lovig it more everytime. :thumbsup:

edit:in all haste, I forgot, shouldn't she have more shiny skin if all that moisture is just driping down from either condensation or branches.

[RealCapri]

Well done yulias!! This is really evolving into a masterpiece :thumbsup: Agreed on showing more of her face & eyes, as if she's peering thru her hair at you. Beautiful skin tone. As for the droplets of water on her skin, probably it's bit too white as what u've mentioned, yah... does look abit of birds dropping on it though...

For the water droplets on her body, my suggestion is to try lowering the value to make it little darker & slightly more saturated than the skin's colour undernealth. Experiment with the results. Keep working at it, it's giving out a very strong lonely emotion. Expecting the final look of it. Well done.

[Katea]

Thats a very nice piece. Though if I may say: She looks as if she has been sitting there for a while, right? Her hair is wet. Drops of water are falling from it. It bothers me that I can't see any circles on the water? Was that your intention?

[Sunbane]

I agree with Katea about the water. By introducing the droplets, you pretty much /have/ to add ripples to the water surface below her. I think you can achieve a wet look without using the droplets though, which would free you of this problem.

[yulias]

http://img251.echo.cx/img251/2300/untitled353xk.th.jpg (http://img251.echo.cx/my.php?image=untitled353xk.jpg)

aw you guys are wonderful, i was thinking about quitting on it yesterday, and now its all happy because of your comments :D thanks alot. i fixed it according to your suggestions. i think the water needs more work. can you see the eyes? should they be brighter?

EDIT: ill get a bigger one up soon

[hpslashluvr]

AHHHHHHHHH it's such a huge improvement! something about the rendering of the vines still bothers me though, not sure what yet...

[yulias]

AHHHHHHHHH it's such a huge improvement! something about the rendering of the vines still bothers me though, not sure what yet...

too dark, not enough shine. need to work on that too.. mutter. should i add more texture? make it more noticeable? are the bricks ok?

[hpslashluvr]

i think the bricks are fine, but maybe add more wear and tear to the bottom wall/panel thingy where the water is...sort of how it's being slowly rubbed away by time...

[RealCapri]

Nice update! As for the vines, what I felt was the highlights on it (top half of the image) were kind of uniform & it's making it looks smooth. Yah, having more textures (bumps) will do fine, the bottom half of the vines nearer to the ground looks great. As for your orientation of the entire image, I prefer your previous one, it conveyed the mood better & more natural in my opinion, leading the eyes up the vines to the girl from left to right, probably because of the way most of us read?

Cheers! :)

[Nazirull]

Whoa...the stare.....:eek: ....

Love it...menacing....:thumbsup:

[ajay1589]

Nice update! As for the vines, what I felt was the highlights on it (top half of the image) were kind of uniform & it's making it looks smooth. Yah, having more textures (bumps) will do fine, the bottom half of the vines nearer to the ground looks great. As for your orientation of the entire image, I prefer your previous one, it conveyed the mood better & more natural in my opinion, leading the eyes up the vines to the girl from left to right, probably because of the way most of us read?

Cheers! :)

i agree, the vines look a little too smooth, as for the eyes not being bright enough...right now i cant even tell she has eyes under her hair so yes, make them brighter

[Nazirull]

I think the eyes are ok...its like subtle enough yet menacing...you are loooking around at the vines and alll then suddenly the eye that u never seen before caught you in the act...finally you realised that youre being watched all this while.!! what a limbo that is!:bounce:

[Loulu79]

I'd say a little of everything and see how it goes. And think of this: what mood do you want to portray here? She looks despondent yet not so troubled. If you go with what maranello55, about the thick root/vines giving such an interesting look to them...then give a bit more detial on them. As for the eyes...a little bit of seeing them...find a way where we can clearly see that she is looking at us....without revealing too much of her face.

I say wet her skin...especially at the shoulders...that way we could tell rain came from above (It makes sense since there are droplets at her feet and wet hair). Hmmmm...as for the ripples, they are fine...just keep refining them a bit more...:wise:

Keep it up Yulias!:thumbsup:

[yulias]

http://img87.echo.cx/img87/245/untitled36s9dr.th.jpg (http://img87.echo.cx/my.php?image=untitled36s9dr.jpg)

latest, can you tell the difference from the last one? im just wondering if i actually did anything yesterday

i also have a larger version for you guys

http://img87.echo.cx/img87/2759/untitled36l3du.th.jpg (http://img87.echo.cx/my.php?image=untitled36l3du.jpg)

i wont be wetting her skin because i checked what it looked like under the light that i have, and you can hardly tell anyways. ill try and work on the roots some more, should i add leaves? and should i make the patteren on her dress more noticable, or remove it all together??

[hpslashluvr]

i liked the way you could see the pattern easier on the previous post...i can tell the difference b/w the two btw! ;) i'm not sure but the water on the previous post (i bet you didn't work on it and i'm just commenting blindly...i always do that...) looked darker and clearer...i sort of liked that better.

[yulias]

hpslashluvr, you have a good eye, i did lighten the water. do you think the roots are ok? ill get the pattern a bit darker and the water too

how much more needs to be done i wonder..

[yulias]

http://img125.echo.cx/img125/8448/final15per1zn.th.jpg (http://img125.echo.cx/my.php?image=final15per1zn.jpg)

this is the last version. thank you guys so much for helping me on this, if you hadnt i would have stoped on the first page probaly. i can still see things i dont like, but it would take redrawing the whole image (and im not going to do that...). You people and this forum really helped me get to a whole new level as an artist, thank you so much. now, if anything is sticking out like a sore thumb in this picture, let me know and ill see if i can change it.

:)

[hpslashluvr]

personally i don't know if the highlights on the hair should be white, but either way, it looks pretty much finished to me! good job!

[BeckyWC]

I think some decaying leaves on the ivy would add to the sense of despair. Oh and maybe some decayed and fallen leaves floating on the waters surface.

[jmBoekestein]

IMHO I think ou can do some more shading on the environmetn too, detailing and stuff. SHe does look pretty much finished, really beautiful work, but she jumps out, it's not finished because of that I think. :D

[Katea]

That's beautiful, but.. oh my God you are going to hate me ;) I knew sth was bothering me and now I know why... Judging by the stools legs and the perspective (the stools bar are a bit odd btw) - she's either sitting in the air or (which is phisically impossible) holding on to the stool with her bottom parts and her feet :/

[Nazirull]

I think Katea is right...im not sure what is worng but there is something there with the stool...if you project the lines u can see her but sits to uncomfortably at the ver edge of it.

I support hpslahsluvr on the coloy for your hair...try different highlight to give depth to the head....

Yeap u guys are right about the envionment.:thumbsup:

Keep it up man!!

[yulias]

hm, i wish this was mentioned sooner. i dont have much time left, just today and tomorrow, to work on this picture. is it really terrible or something that i can get away with? and i had some people who didnt want any more detailing on the background. aaack

[hpslashluvr]

is this for a grade or a client or something?

[Loulu79]

What a struggle you have with this piece. Is as if every time you adjust something to it...and say it is complete or you're giving up on it... then we tell you the things that need adjusting. If you are fully satisfied with your finished piece right now....leave it! If it is that important to you to be a perfectionist and upgrade, upgrade, upgrade...and tweak it...

It's highly up to you as an artist...I see you've come a looooooong way with it.

Congratulations Yulias!:thumbsup:

[yulias]

hpslashluvr
nah, im gunna be heading home in about 3 weeks, and its starting to get busy, packing, meetings, speeches. that and im planing on making this a present for all the people i know in japan and who helped me. its going to be hell :'(

loulu79
thanks, it means alot. youve been here for the entire thing too :P

[Nazirull]

I think Loulu79 is rite...its totally up to u. I personally think that the piece is brilliant. its only that i didnt know that youre supposed to be finishing it soon...heheh..

vbmenu_register("postmenu_2356856", true); Good luck!:thumbsup:

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