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SkyZero
04-22-2005, 02:48 PM
Cool heh? No more format war hopefully! Question I have is if both formats are dropped and a single, unified format is chosen - what happens to X-Box 2 which is supposed to be announced on MTV in May and possibly launch Q4 of this year? Probably delay the release I think... :shrug:
From: http://dvd.ign.com/articles/606/606542p1.html?fromint=1

April 21, 2005 - According to a report by the Nihon Keizai Shimbun, the next-generation format war may be over before it ever starts. The Japanese newspaper on Thursday published with news that Sony and Toshiba are expected to make an announcement later this month that they have abandoned the Blu-ray and HD-DVD formats respectively and are working on a new medium that will bring together both standards.


Sony, a leading member of the Blu-ray Disc Association, announced last year that it would include a Blu-ray drive in its forthcoming next-generation console, PlayStation 3. More than 100 companies, including Apple, Panasonic, HP, and Pioneer, support Blu-ray, which promises up to 50 gigabytes of storage on a single disc side. Toshiba leads the opposing format, HD-DVD.

While it is commonly accepted that Blu-ray discs offer more storage space than HD-DVDs, electronics companies and Hollywood studios have remained divided over the two formats due in large to the manufacturing processes. In short, the DVD infrastructures already in place would serve HD-DVD manufacturers. However, costly new facilities and operations would need to be created in order to support the Blu-ray format.

Sony and Toshiba have remained in negotiations on the subject for weeks, with key company executives from each camp dropping hints that a unified standard would be optimal.

The Nihon Keizai Shimbun reports that, having reached an agreement that a new, unified standard would be the best thing for the industry, Sony and Toshiba are now in the process of designing the new standard, which seeks to take the strengths from each medium and combine them.

Sony has reportedly suggested using Blu-ray's disc structure and HD-DVD's software technology while Toshiba has suggested keeping HD-DVD's disc structure and applying Sony's multi-layer data-recording technology.

The Japanese paper reports that both companies are eager to reach an agreement in order to avoid the format wars that initially confused consumers and hindered both the VHS and DVD eras. The two electronics giants have already briefed major Hollywood studios including Disney and AOL Time Warner on the idea of a new, unified standard, according to the paper. The big question is, what does this news mean for PlayStation 3, which is scheduled to release sometime next year? The very probable answer is that the next-generation machine will drop Sony's announced Blu-ray drive in favor of hardware that instead plays this new, still-announced format compromise.

wasted weasel
04-22-2005, 03:06 PM
pardon my ignorance, but for video applications will a blu-ray disc still be HD quality? or are these discs only specific for storage media?

*edit* wait I just found an article on it, answered my own question...

this is very cool news, hopefully they will implement backwards compatibility so the new disc players will still play old dvd's

L.Rawlins
04-22-2005, 03:46 PM
Do you think so?

I'm not so sure...

T'would be nice though.

PhilOsirus
04-22-2005, 04:17 PM
What does it mean for the Xbox 360? If a new format is used, the Xbox won't be using it.

SkyZero
04-22-2005, 05:22 PM
If it does go through, this does not bode well for the next X-Box. That would mean the PS3 would have an upperhand because it would incorporate compatibility for that singular format and X-Box would be left in the dust. Do you think they would delay launch to incorporate into their next console?

shingo
04-22-2005, 06:06 PM
I would be surprised if this development caught Microsoft by surprise.

It's not as if they a bit player in the market is it?

If it does go through, this does not bode well for the next X-Box. That would mean the PS3 would have an upperhand because it would incorporate compatibility for that singular format and X-Box would be left in the dust. Do you think they would delay launch to incorporate into their next console?

TumikSmacker
04-22-2005, 11:30 PM
I dont believe all the Xbox 2s are manufactured yet, so they can still implement them into the untis before the end of the year...

hmurchison
04-23-2005, 01:31 AM
I flat out think this info is bunk. It's more of a dream really. Sony has to be planning on a 2006 launch of the PS3 with Blu-Ray support. You mean to tell me they suddenly are going to change their plans and still have time to develop the PS3?


This is conjecture pure and simple. I'd love a unified format but that's looking unlikely.

Hazdaz
04-23-2005, 02:21 AM
ummm... you guys do realize that it is just a storage medium, right?

A unified standard would be nice, but I don't see how any of this would delay any console's launch. It is just a way to store information... the information itself is still the same. This would be the equivalent of swapping out your Maxtor IDE harddrive and popping in a SCSI HD... to the OS and the rest of the PC it still sees the information as the same.

If the announcement is soon, there is plenty of time to make sure that the drive in the XB360 is compatible with the new standard when they finally start manufacturing the actual console.

cgclay
04-23-2005, 02:43 AM
Xbox360 uses standard, dual layer dvd

PhilOsirus
04-23-2005, 05:11 PM
A unified standard would be nice, but I don't see how any of this would delay any console's launch. It is just a way to store information... the information itself is still the same. This would be the equivalent of swapping out your Maxtor IDE harddrive and popping in a SCSI HD... to the OS and the rest of the PC it still sees the information as the same.

The blue-ray format involves major retooling of current DVD manufacturing technology, while HD-DVD has half the possble amount of space but does not require companies to retool their machines much. Hence it makes a big difference what comes out of this, and you can't just change any of this overnight. We don't know when a deal will be made, if any, so the later the less chances are that the XBox will support the new format, and possibly the same for PS3.

Geta-Ve
04-23-2005, 06:11 PM
ya the news is real for sure, i read it on ign a day or two ago.. and as per which is actually better, blu-ray is better than hd-dvd by a landslide.. the only upper hand hd-dvd has is that it can play in dvd players that people have now.. blu-ray needs new players and new things to produce the disk (since it uses different color laser or what not..

anyhoo, i think its cool they are coming together, i just hope the new born child will be either just as good as blu-ray or better than both combined..

halo
04-23-2005, 06:53 PM
this isn't news...this is speculation ahead of an announcement...non-news.

when they announce something, then it will be news.

jake_$teed
04-23-2005, 07:17 PM
this isn't news...this is speculation ahead of an announcement...non-news.

when they announce something, then it will be news.

It's news that they are actually talking. The battle has been really bitter with both sides telling each other to piss off, not even entertaining the idea of a compromise since so much money is at steak. edit:(oops, stake, i am hungry I guess)

If something actaully becomes of it, that's another story.

Lorecanth
04-24-2005, 06:34 PM
ya the news is real for sure, i read it on ign a day or two ago.. and as per which is actually better, blu-ray is better than hd-dvd by a landslide.. the only upper hand hd-dvd has is that it can play in dvd players that people have now.. blu-ray needs new players and new things to produce the disk (since it uses different color laser or what not..

anyhoo, i think its cool they are coming together, i just hope the new born child will be either just as good as blu-ray or better than both combined..

wrong, both formats will require new dvd players as both are blue laser based, and every player out there now is red.

halo
04-24-2005, 08:14 PM
yes, its more like that HD-DVD can play DVD's where as blue ray needs a second laser.

Hazdaz
04-24-2005, 09:14 PM
^^ even if that is the case, what is the big problem?! Lasers should cost all of $10 if not less for the OEMs. I see this as way more of a 'political' problem than some engineering problem. Looks like SONY - once again - doesn't know how to play well with others.

PhilOsirus
04-25-2005, 12:44 AM
The Blue-Ray format is superior. If HD-DVD is chosen by the industry then Blue-Ray will be in demand anyway so we will have two formats anyway. So why not go with the superior format to begin with and move on? The only ones that should have to make a compromise are those supporting the HD-DVD.

novadude
04-25-2005, 03:12 AM
The only ones that should have to make a compromise are those supporting the HD-DVD.

And anyone that might have to spend a few extra dollars to retool their factories for blue-ray, which is the main reason hd-dvd has any support. After the initial transition, I think the cost of both should be about the same.

TumikSmacker
04-25-2005, 03:13 AM
HD-DVD is only delaying the problem. If you make discs that work in all DVD players - hey that’s great! But there will come a time when Blu-Ray or something else will come along that can hold 50 gigs or more. At that point DVD burners for tvs etc will be in so many homes that it'll be even harder for people to make the switch. Switch as in 'throw out your old DVD player and buy a new blu-ray player.

It’s just delaying and making the problem worse. Eventually you'll have to spend the money to build new factories to manufacture blu-ray type discs. You might as well do it now instead of later.

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