Master and Servant 2D Entry: Tom Probert

[Freefall Alpha]

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my idea is to have a zen master as the focus of my image - he's in total control of his environment, master of his world and the servant figure that i'll put into the composition next.

[Vahn]

welcome freefall :wavey:

is he doing Tai chi Chuan ? ( if yes i can help u with Yang style poses ) :D

hehe im looking forward to this

happy painting :arteest:

vahn

[Arc80]

Welcome dude,

That's a great start. I like the idea of your piece. About your composition, i would add at least 3 inches more on the top. You'll get a really nice vertical scene shot going on. Just a personal suggestion. I'll be checking back later.

cheers

[Dulshad03]

great balance, agree with Arc08, you would get a better scene that way. Just inducing the thaught.http://cgtalk.com/images/smilies/buttrock.gif

[Freefall Alpha]

thanks for the feedback guys,

Vahn: yeah he's seriously focused on his tai chi chuan - i'd love some help with the pose as i don't practice it myself; it'd be useful to get some feedback on that, i'll be scouring some books too.

about the composition; it's all going to change eventually - at the moment i've got an image in my mind that i just want to roughly get down in fron tof me then it will start evolving. the scene will be taller, i cropped it here, but hopefully it will have an oriental scroll feel to it

cheers,

keep checking back!

project:freefall (http://www.freefallgraphics.com)

[GhostInTheMachine]

hi. cool start. you could do a very effective 'stream of energy' representing the ki n that.

look up the stories of the Founder of Aikido - there are some cool ones where he is able to dodge bullets because he could see a pebble of ki (chi) infront of them and another where he dances with bears after his enlightenment.
look forward to progress :thumbsup:

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Tom
Looked at your picture last night and this morning. :)
Liked the start to this concept even though I don't know who or what your servant will be. Possibilities are nice and deep. Maybe he has mastered time: a second seems like eternity, eternity seems like a second, kind of thing.
Time is like a river or stream of energy.
This came to mind when I read Joe Yardly's comment.
Just a thought crossing my mind as I am looking at your piece. I don't even want to interfere in your thought process, though.
I have a piece that kind of expresses both these thoughts. Might want to check it out. It might help you in some way.
My Picture: Flow of Time (http://www.artbyglenngallegos.com/FantasyBig/FantasyBig19.html) and the Ink Drawing (http://artbyglenngallegos.com/Flow_of_Time_Ink.html)
Anyway, just wanted to tell you, I like your picture so far. Nice diagonal, too.
Looking forward to seeing your progression of thought on this concept.
Take care and good luck.
Glenn

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I've just put in a vague idea for the background - I'll put in a temple somewhere in the background, it's all likely to change to be honest but I'm happy with the pallette here

[kornel]

:applause: I love your concept!

The old chinese traditional paintings are taller than your pic... try it maybe it helps for the more better composition...

best regards: Kornél

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I've finally decided on a way to show the masters power - i'm still trying to get to grips with the final composition, but for now i'll keep playing with ideas for the content on this image. i'm going to re-work the background and hopefully add a temple...

[E.T]

Nice mood youve got going here, ill stay tuned.

[spacesnail]

Welcome Tai-Chi master !

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I'm thinking about actually using this comp and angle, making it a real study of the character's ostume and pose which is what this is really about, instead of a lot of scenery...

[Arc80]

I think the vertical composition is a lot stonger and conveys what you are tyring to tell. We really don't pay attention to the background, because of your colour pallete, which is perfect i think. We pay more attention to the master and the vertical shot just enhances that feeling.

cheers :buttrock:

[GhostInTheMachine]

the vertical comp works better, in opinion. have you thought about making the island hills undercut?

the power of chi is synonymous with the power of water, this erosion would suggest that power.

[SpiritDreamer]

Hello. Wanted to say that the horizontal composition is looking much better.
The tall mountains took you right out of the picture, away from the character.
Now the shorter version brings you into the character. And the circular lines around the figure keep you focused on the figure.
I like the motion of the piece.
Great improvement
Can't wait to see the next progression.
Keep up the good work!
Glenn

[Naomi]

oooh, this is gonna look wicked :D
cheers

[Freefall Alpha]

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I've started the proper painting now, the composition is set - i'll post that soon. i just wanted to get started on the painting so i've got something to build on.

[Freefall Alpha]

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i wasnt anywhere near happy with the last face, so i started again, i think this one looks a lot better.

[Miyagu]

very nice concept and a very good start! i´m not sure about which composition to choose: the horizontal one looks more dynamic/powerful/actionlike.. with the focus on "what´s going on".
the vertical one looks quieter i think and more traditional with the high mountains and focuses more on the zen-master and his power..

anyway: looking very good! :arteest:best luck to you!

[clayeraser]

I truly cant wait when this is done....Great Work :thumbsup:

[SpiritDreamer]

Hello Tom
You captured a real nice expression on his face. Intense seriousness in the eyes and mouth. A lifetime of learning wisdom expressed in the face.
Nice Job! :)
Also liked the long ear lobe. Takes a long life time to reach that length. With the plug or symbol of his belief or faith in the ear or maybe just a plug, I don't know.
Maybe his long eyebrows should bend blowing back around his scull and same wind in his beard a little. Would add to drama that's going on maybe. I keep seeing a temple or shrine perched on top of that mountain peak. The lower one that's just to the right of his head off in the distance. So small that you can hardly see it through the atmosphere but glittering a little in a distant beam of light. Might be a nice point of temporary escape from the drama in the foreground. But the viewer would bounce right back to the main figure from there. Might add to that nice circular composition you have achieved. That tallest froth in the water seems to lead me there already anyway. Just a passing thought while I am looking at your painting.
Anyway great job so far.
Looking forward to seeing its progression.
Take care
Glenn

[Djampa]

He looks more Taoist or Chinese Chan master than Zen Master, but I loved the concept.
Master of the elements.

Keep going, the posture is good and the picture is all well balanced by now.
As 'Vahn' proposed Yang style is great reference for your work anyway, and maybe for one's life. :)

I keep track of your progress if I can help you directly I will, nothing to say effective by now.

Good work! :thumbsup:

Good Luck!

[O.Martin]

Good concept and pose. :thumbsup:

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just more colouring, nothing groundbreaking going on yet, just thought io should post this progress - any thoughts on the costume (this is just a base layer for it)

-tom

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I started playing around with textures and patterns for the master's costume - i realise i started doing this too early because it's the best bit, and in the interests of freefall discipline i'm going to stop now and get the background sorted! feedback on the costume or anything really is very much welcome...

[SpiritDreamer]

Hi Tom
Looking Pretty Good!
Specially if you can get that robe looking like shiny silk, with a lot of luster, shine and deep shadows. Maybe black with green-gold design. Just a thought.
Kind of like composition reversed, the way you originally had it.
People usually go from left to right. Also make mustache flow with wind and take wrinkles out of it. Looks kind of stiff and flat. Also shorten left eyebrow just a little and aim the end of it so it looks like its blowing upward caught by the wind. Will lead viewer around contour of the scull better. And will give you a nice "S" curve adding to action. Work on scull more, show side plane of scull with temple. Few creases or wrinkles on forehead maybe adds to age.
Really liking the feel of this piece. Just a few refinements and he'll look great.
These are only my personal thoughts. And they're what I would do if it were mine.
Anyway it's looking really good. Can't wait to see it finallized.
Take Care
And Good Luck
Glenn

[userBrian]

Nice work, has a genuine feel to it. I like the gold design on the black robe.And to think you just suggested I make the lighting more dynamic on my piece, and I said I like the haze, but I plan to add some breaks in the sky so I may make it more dynamic. Hey, maybe that would work here too?

[Freefall Alpha]

Thanks for the replies, some very useful stuff in there.

Glenn: i see where you're coming from on the comp, this alignment seems to accentuate his pose more, but it may well change. the robe was intentionally matte and dull - like a heavy wool or something, i wanted to keep away from shiny silk. the head does need a lot of work, you're right but my main problems are with the background at the moment so i'm trying to sort that, then i'll be happy to finish off the master. my intention with the beard etc is that he's at the centre of this huge energy that's sending hisa environment into a frenzy but he's in the middle of it in a pool of his own perfect calm and stillness. so thats why his beard isnt blowing around. if this isnt obvious when i'm finished with the bg, then i might give in and make it all blowy.

brian: thanks, yes, i was also wondering what the situation is in your piece with the dog attacking the villagers in his f117?

[userBrian]

Sorry to see you didn't finish in time, I barely got in the last 20 minutes...whew.

The situation in mine is described in the story which I entered again on the last page of my thread so far. The dog is mind controlled by a space alien in area 51 to cause a distraction by dropping a bomb in a field so the alien can escape while the distraction happens.

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