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biBIGorno
04-04-2005, 09:08 PM
Bertrand Cailly has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=7207)

Latest Update: Final Image: Obey your master
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1116450856_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1116450856_large.jpg)

Here we are, last minute post!

biBIGorno
04-04-2005, 09:23 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1112646201_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1112646201_large.jpg)

A very classic approach of the theme:
the servant bringing his master a victim (for lunch or other deads each one can imagine). Yet, I'd like to suggest that the servant has some reluctance to do his task, perhaps some pity or other feelings for the woman...
This is my first idea... don't know if it is the good one.

PS:apologize for my pathetic english

Deadlyforce
04-05-2005, 09:13 AM
Hi biBIGorno !

I can see that you're about to create some masterpiece of classic Frazetta/Lovecraft horror ! :bowdown: Frankly I'm dying to see the whole dark scene !

Crits will come too with your next updates !:twisted:
Welcome to the challenge !

biBIGorno
04-05-2005, 12:48 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1112701735_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1112701735_large.jpg)

Slowly making the concept more precise in my head: the master is a kind of Djinn, giant sorcerer which pleasure is to hunt young women; his servant is a bird-man used as a falcon in falconry.
I'd like to keep the idea that the servant may have some hesitations to give his prey back... perhaps he'd like to fly away instead of coming upon his master leather glove.

Deadlyforce
04-05-2005, 01:49 PM
Woah !
Mr Gorno, that new post of yours is really cool !:bowdown:

I must admit that I am a little disappointed by the new villain appearance (however he is very expressive). I'm fond of Cthulhu monsters you know...more fun...But there's also another explanation to my crit : I think that a composition with 1 creature and 2 humanoid beings is more balanced than 3 humanoids.
It works well though,...so this is your choice here.

Cya !:buttrock:

biBIGorno
04-05-2005, 02:46 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1112708816_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1112708816_large.jpg)

working on the master's pose...
he may evolve towards a less human aspect

biBIGorno
04-05-2005, 11:27 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1112740037_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1112740037_large.jpg)

Here is the \\\"final\\\" concept sketch; I mean next posts will be in line art section.
Not a lot of changes (the composition remains basically the same since the first sketch): new position for the master character, no more hunter gauntlet (I don't know why but it didn't fit in the graphic background, too much middle age european like) which help to simplify the gesture of the giant...

To sum up the "dramatic background" of the image: a powerful evil wizard has turned a man into a creature half bird to be his servant, to hunt and bring him young women for his dark purposes... Yet, the creature has kept a piece of his human consciousness...
Thus, the title: Cruel obedience

Deadlyforce
04-05-2005, 11:40 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah ! At laaaast ! the new update !
Obviously this one is much better than the others (except Cthulhu, but this is me) ! That Djinn is fantastic and looks malicious and evil...perfect !

This is also correct that Djinns are usually placed in oriental places but I hope you'll manage to give that environnment a strong personality and a new sense of originality.

Nice progress so far.:buttrock:

biBIGorno
04-05-2005, 11:55 PM
thank you very much for your support... it is a great honour to receive the visit of a brilliant star of this challenge: Deadly"machineflesh killer" force!:applause:
Sorry for the cuttlefish-master, he has end up into the saucepan :D
see ya and keep the faith

biBIGorno
04-06-2005, 08:22 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1112815322_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1112815322_large.jpg)

Don't know what to say... I wanted a clean drawing (target missed).
:[

Deadlyforce
04-06-2005, 08:28 PM
The star likes that new sketch of yours !
This is really cool, a brilliant tribute to one of my gods : John Buscema !

Waiting for more !:bounce:

MaZzuk
04-07-2005, 10:03 AM
It`s interesting to see your progress...from the usual sultan to the Demon.
Good luck to U!

biBIGorno
04-09-2005, 05:03 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113062633_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113062633_large.jpg)

Here is the last "line art" post. I guess there is enough details to begin the colour process, the real challenge :p

NOOB!
04-09-2005, 08:12 PM
fantastic lineart!love the expression on the big guys face

biBIGorno
04-10-2005, 12:16 AM
MazZuk, NOOB, thank you for your supports!

Deadly Force, always glad to hear the valuable critics of yours...


see ya and good luck

Deadlyforce
04-10-2005, 12:38 AM
I would like to sleep, but I'll make an effort and criticize this piece of art before going to bed ::wise:

I guess you won't detail the outside in the window so this one is ok.
There is nothing of interest to crit right now I think... I will wait for a more precise lighting and some more details on the objects and environment.

Looking good already (but don't push too much on the levels in Pshop cause I will end blind before the end of the challenge ! :D )

:applause:

biBIGorno
04-11-2005, 04:50 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113234634_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113234634_large.jpg)

Lots of light errors in the picture, but I am just trying to find a good atmosphere...

biBIGorno
04-12-2005, 04:01 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113318059_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113318059_large.jpg)

I was wondering if giving the background such a big room in the composition was a good idea... after all, the theme is about the master and servant link, it should be the focus in the painting. Thus, I've tried a closer point of view...
Also working on the characters' expressions...
Critics are welcome!

Arc80
04-12-2005, 06:58 PM
Nice sketches dude. The colours are coming along great too. I like the size relationship of your characters. keep it up.

cheers,
Archie

armel
04-13-2005, 10:16 AM
Very Frazettesque... Looks like Frazetta & Vallejo mixed together, tnahks to those so characteristic green-grey-orange skin tones.


It reminds me a lot of a famous Frazetta painting : Mongol Tyrant.

http://frazetta.ragnarok.no/images/QMan_FF_Legacy_Extra_03_Mongol_Tyrant.jpg


GOOD LUCK!

biBIGorno
04-13-2005, 03:26 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113402364_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113402364_large.jpg)

difficult choice...

marcheen
04-13-2005, 03:37 PM
hi!
nice painting so far. about the colors, i would prefer the one to the left and it's hard to explain why i just have this feeling that this one looks better. but that's only me...
good luck!!

ANARKY
04-13-2005, 04:32 PM
the master is a kind of Djinn, giant sorcerer which pleasure is to hunt young women; his servant is a bird-man used as a falcon in falconry.



Hi there. Great concept, however, I dont want to rain on your parade, but you might want to read the rules again. One of the two, either the master or the servent, HAS to be a Human, not a Mutant, or a Humanoid (Like an Elf), or a half breed (Like your Birdman), but a Human. Yes, you have a girl in there, but she is a Victim, not the Master or the Servent.

Just something for you to think over before you get too far into it. Dont want your hard work going to waste and the judges throwing it out because of this.
Good luck with it!

walrus
04-13-2005, 04:38 PM
Nice work so far. Myself, I like the bluer one better. The winged creature shows up really well against it (as will the human if there are some more warm tones in her skin.) Good luck with your decision!

-mike

Jezzarts
04-13-2005, 04:41 PM
Cool concept, I like the blue version... but then again I like dark pictures.

arkinet
04-13-2005, 04:48 PM
is that some kind of evil-god? looks wicked & the color & shadows coming along, keep it up & good luck!

biBIGorno
04-13-2005, 07:04 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113415495_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113415495_large.jpg)

New face for the big guy :)
And another color test.

arkinet
04-13-2005, 10:22 PM
i like ur other face(#21), coz of its devilish grin.

Korline
04-13-2005, 10:50 PM
Hi
I like the composition cose it's got more depth with this kind of background
also like the bluish version better looks more cruel
I'm not sure if the pray being human counts as a character thou
like the proportions on this, great picture

http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=224972

biBIGorno
04-14-2005, 08:17 AM
Ok. I've got a big problem.

Great concept, however, I dont want to rain on your parade, but you might want to read the rules again. One of the two, either the master or the servent, HAS to be a Human, not a Mutant, or a Humanoid (Like an Elf), or a half breed (Like your Birdman), but a Human. Yes, you have a girl in there, but she is a Victim, not the Master or the Servent.


I've just been on the FAQ thread, and, unfortunately, ANARKY is right... :shrug:
It is a bad news, however I'm glad to receive it now and not May the 17th! So, thanks a lot Anarky (it seems like a Stockholm syndrome:D ).

Thus and despite all the supports and comments of you guys (thanks Marcheen, Walrus, Jezzarts, Arkinet, Korline & Armel), I have to take a break and have a good brainstorming so as to get out of this tricky situation.
Deadly Force suggests me to turn the birdman character into a mear human servant and to turn the woman victim into a half-bird one!
What do you think?

Really need some help.

ANARKY
04-14-2005, 08:57 AM
Take off the Wing, change the birdhead to human, and your sorted. Maybe make the whole thing all Arabian Nights-ish by giving the servant a Turban or something. Its a twist on the Djinn and the Lamp thing with the Man being the servent to the Djinn rather then the other way round.

Good luck whatever you do.

taeyoungchoi
04-16-2005, 09:44 PM
Thank you for the coments!
This is the first time seeing your stuff. GReaTT!!
Very Strong composition and Staging. It would be great one for sure.
And, about the rule of the callenge, I am considering of taking out the wings of the angel to make him a human character. It would not change my story, even it will help my composition little big. It start bothering the whole composition.
But ,I don't think you have to worry about the rule of this callenge.
At least you have one human character in it.
Don't worry Be happy!
Keep it up!
Great stuff.

biBIGorno
04-18-2005, 05:40 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113842434_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113842434_large.jpg)

Ok. Back after a few days of reflection and a new concept with some changes in the image so as to get the 100% human character: the djinn has turned into a human but still evil sorcerer who has hypnotized a birdman to be his servant. His sadistic desires makes him constrain his creature to hunt and bring him ones of its own kind... for unknown but horrible purposes, of course. ;D

Deadlyforce
04-18-2005, 07:14 PM
That new concept is perfect and fits greatly with the challenge rules.
Colors and drawing are superb...the only crit I could make is about the mood. It has not the same intensity found in your previous sketches. It lacks a little of mystery but I guess this will be fixed in the next updates.

:thumbsup::applause:

Tranchefeux
04-18-2005, 07:31 PM
Hi, I discover your project, hard to have the eyesl everywhere, I have only one thing to say GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to you.
:thumbsup:

biBIGorno
04-19-2005, 02:02 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113915721_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1113915721_large.jpg)

I ve spent two hours working the texture and lighting of the back of the seat, just behind the sorcerer's head... and I am not satisfied at all.
The style is too obviously photoshop like and quite different from the painting aspect I want for the picture.
I am going to work on another part and refine the seat later.

biBIGorno
04-20-2005, 07:34 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1114022065_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1114022065_large.jpg)

Trying to add more details without losing the atmosphere of the earlier sketches (not an easy task).

biBIGorno
04-22-2005, 04:08 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1114182490_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1114182490_large.jpg)

slight corrections on mister and miss Birds...

Slav
04-22-2005, 07:01 PM
i could of sworn i left you a comment but i guess not... anywho... i really love the arabian nights thing that is going on here... keep up the great work! :thumbsup:

biBIGorno
04-25-2005, 07:14 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1114452890_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1114452890_large.jpg)

Not much progress those last days...
The image is weirder and weirder, because the birds are not integrated yet in the whole lighting I guess.
I'll have to fix that soon.

fensterer
04-25-2005, 07:49 PM
The big guy's face looks great! I love the expression! This is really taking shape, nice work!:thumbsup:

biBIGorno
04-25-2005, 11:38 PM
Tranchefeux, Slav, Fensterer: Thanks for all your supports!

I think there is a problem in my image and that's probably for the birds are not quite integrated: they look like "pasted" on the background.

Any pieces of advice are welcome.

armel
04-26-2005, 11:38 AM
bravo, pervers

ta peinture a de la gueule.

Pour les oiseaux, je crois qu'ils ne sont pas dans la meme lumiere que le "cruel bad guy", et les couleurs tranchent un peu avec le reste de l'image (je pense que c'est le but, en fait).

Le sein de la fille n'etait-il pas mieux dans les etapes precedentes???


En tous cas (toute furie mise a part, he he he) c'est tres bien

Feloches, gadjo


Armel

biBIGorno
05-17-2005, 12:46 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1116330392_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1116330392_large.jpg)

I am late and it's been a long time I was not around...
Just refining the birds.

biBIGorno
05-17-2005, 10:45 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1116366326_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1116366326_large.jpg)

New look for the servant and, most of all, the two birds are now integrated in the scene, at last.
Pretty close to the end... the image is perhaps a little too dark. I will fix taht too.

biBIGorno
05-18-2005, 01:23 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1116419000_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1116419000_large.jpg)

It was a big heat to finish!
Good luck to eveybody and thanks for those who helped.

biBIGorno
05-18-2005, 10:14 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1116450856_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/7207/7207_1116450856_large.jpg)

Here we are, last minute post!

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