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03-30-2005, 04:04 PM
Kamjar Fadai has entered the Master and Servant 2D.

Challenge Page (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/masterandservant/view_entries.php?challenger=6995)

Latest Update: Final Image: Evoke the Fire Within


Cheers Kam

03-30-2005, 04:17 PM
Hi guys, i am also going to participate @ this really awesome challenge.
This is my first CGNetworks challenge, i am gonna give 300% ( :D )of myself to make something nice.
I have some really nice ideas i have discussed with my bro. I am planning to make a
"ghost fiery" phoenix with its master ( female i think ). I am going to add as much as emotion as i can. I really want people to see the relationship between the two.

The idea for this style of phoenix is firstly inspired by Kaihei Hayano ( actually it has been by alot of people, mostly in games, so i dont think it would be stealing... ) . I have once made my version of one of these phoenixes. It turned quite good, and i am hoping to improve it alot more.

Well... i wish all of the contestents alot of succes.

03-30-2005, 04:40 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1112200806_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1112200806_large.jpg)

This is the type of phoenix i mean. With the whole body existing out of fire.

This is NOT the composition, only concept for the phoenix creature.
The actual composition is probably going to be a closeup.

03-30-2005, 04:53 PM
Welcome to the challenge, Kamjar !
Nice sketch here : your phoenix is really beautiful and dynamic.
Great start !

03-30-2005, 05:41 PM
Welcome to the challenge, Kamjar !
Nice sketch here : your phoenix is really beautiful and dynamic.
Great start !

thank you for the comment =D
it's really satisfying to get a compliment from someone like you!

Ok guys... i have to begin make sketches soon. But atm i am having a testweek at school and i if i screw this one i will fail this year.
But the good news is that i will be having a one week holiday in a few weeks. I will spend most of the time on this challenge :thumbsup:

03-30-2005, 07:06 PM
Very dynamic piece, and nice colorwork. Hurry and show us what the composition will be! :P

03-30-2005, 07:08 PM
great sketch i would love to see the bottome elemts once they are done.

best of luck.

03-30-2005, 07:09 PM
what a f*** !!
great phonix !!! congradulations !

c u !

03-30-2005, 07:12 PM
heey! kinnas from Hull Breach : D

glad to see you here kicking our asses : D

03-30-2005, 07:13 PM
hello, my name is Kushan Fadai, u might not know me but I like your skills and wish u sum gl for the CG Challenge. And stop wasting your time on forums&msn!

I might enter the challenge too, after seeing these prices yer don't know what to do but well see, gg, gl, hf, triidiii will bii mii

03-30-2005, 10:50 PM
this phoenix is thoroughly, exitingly, influetial...nice work...this is an aproval, about that the genius is hiden in the simplicity...good luck

04-01-2005, 10:09 PM
great dynamic and wonderfull light n athmosphere... if that's "just a sketch" i wonder what you'll come up with when work really starts...

04-01-2005, 10:10 PM
wow! excellent imagery!

bloodi tearz
04-04-2005, 01:31 AM
;o! I love it!...It's so...sparkly and firey and very nicely coloured and everything! =3 :thumbsup:

04-04-2005, 08:42 AM
OOooh! magical stuff man, makes you'r imagination wander! Can't wait for your final compositioin, keep it up!

04-04-2005, 09:17 AM
very fine and dynamix pheonix, goodlux pal!!:thumbsup:


04-08-2005, 07:43 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1112985810_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1112985810_large.jpg)

Puh i finnaly got some extra time in the weekend! Sorry for being so inactive, but i have a testweek going on at school right now :(

Well, i tried and thought of a composition concept as you see on the sketch.
I wanted the master to respect her "servent". Not the likely evil masters etc :P

Well tell me what you think of the compositions, I really would love to get some suggestions on how to improve it!

Thanks people!
Greetz Kamjar Fadai

04-08-2005, 07:50 PM
What's up dude,

Very cool. Love the vibriant colour. I love how everything is flowing so freely. Keep it up dude.


04-08-2005, 07:56 PM
i think you need a bit more saturation in you newest update image... the red doesnt seem as powerful washed out the way it is...

i really liked the 1st concept and i think its a great one to work up from.

04-08-2005, 07:58 PM
i think you need a bit more saturation in you newest update image... the red doesnt seem as powerful washed out the way it is...

i really liked the 1st concept and i think its a great one to work up from.

i c what you mean, but the latest one isnt about colors, its about composition really.
It was made in grayscale and i adjusted the colors.
The final will have nice colors. =D

04-08-2005, 11:28 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1112999334_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1112999334_large.jpg)


I am going to use these black and white versions as "line art". There may still be alot of mistakes and stuff, but i will filter them all out when starting on the final.

I would still like ideas and suggestions from you people! :)

Greetz Kam

04-08-2005, 11:33 PM
Somebody certainly understands light. Nice concepts. I think it looks cool so far, and if its the final concept would like to see more work done.

04-08-2005, 11:41 PM
Somebody certainly understands light. Nice concepts. I think it looks cool so far, and if its the final concept would like to see more work done.

Thank you very much :) !

Yes i have chosen my last concept as final. I am working on it right now. I will post some work in progress shots soon.

04-09-2005, 12:19 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1113002385_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1113002385_large.jpg)

Here is a very early work in progress.
Just a pair of leggs ;p

Anyone tips on how to improve the realism?

thx! :)

04-09-2005, 12:40 AM
great work on the pheonix, thats near perfect technique! the characters realism could do with a fair amount of work though. i'd suggest looking closely at reference images or get people to pose and practice drawing in a very structured manner. basically draw images that look like a low poly wireframe mesh, with oversimplified flat faces where the curves are only slight. in this way you can ensure that your not 'fattening up' your character as it looks like you have done here in the concept.

i probably explained all that quite badly, but feel free to take a look at my thread where the line drawings still show how ive built up from a simplified structure. ive only crit so hard here (sorry :) ) cos i think your image would look awesome with a well executed character!
gl with it and have fun at that test week! :thumbsup:

04-09-2005, 01:26 AM
This is an amazing concept. I love the red hot fiery glow of the phoenix, like a solar flare that can be hotter than the sun's surface. I wish I could see more of its head though, it is difficult to make out.

The girl feels as though she is underwater or suspended where there is no gravity because her hair floats in different directions. It is good though, because it adds a celestial feeling. She also looks like she is reaching inside the pheonix. I think it would present an even stronger feeling if she was touching it on its breast.
The realism of here legs are good so far.

04-10-2005, 04:21 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1113146516_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1113146516_large.jpg)

Another work in progress. I havent had much time.
I worked a bit on the clothes. Tell me what you think. I know there are some faults. But its not final for a long time so. Gimme suggestions :D thank you people :)

oh yeah and here is full version:

04-10-2005, 04:33 PM
It's looking nice so far and the texturing is looking good too. I think the skirt and the skin is a little too airbrushy. Oh, and that right lower leg needs to have a little bit more foreshortening and cilindrical shape. It's too much the same size with the left one.


04-10-2005, 04:57 PM
GhostInTheMachine: I am certainly going to study more anatomy. Your anatomy work is really awesome. But i dont understand anything about the technique ... takes some time i guess. :D

AustinM: thanks for the suggestion mate! I will try and alter the arm so it reaches to the breast of the phoenix.

Arc80: thanks! yes i am aware of the skirt and skin textures. I will work on them much more.
And about the leg, i dont really understand what you mean. I can see some mistakes with the left leg , being to wide. But i dont see anything wrong with the right leg... ( unless u ment right from her point of view :rolleyes: )

cheers Kam!

04-10-2005, 05:34 PM
hie kamjar,some interesting entry u've got here,nice touch on the transparent skirt and the texture on the suit is nicely rendered.however the overal proportion seems alil odd to me,her waist seems kinda short maybe u could emphasize more on her pelvis..other than that..its good:)keep this going mate..i'm looking forward for more:thumbsup:

04-11-2005, 12:01 AM
like te latest details. hope the andrew loomis link was of some help - his technique is really worth studying, even tho he's a 50's pinup dude ;).

lil crit - the metal trim on the boot looks flat in the closest boot but rounded on the left leg. see if you can flatten that out and maybe broaden it to give a better transition between it and the leg. good work :thumbsup:

04-11-2005, 12:47 AM
Wow really nicelly done, I especially love the bright deap colors! The Phoenix is great, I look forward to more!


04-11-2005, 12:44 PM
ms@zx: thank you very much :) i think you are totaly right about the pelvis. But i dont know, should i alter the legs or her pelvis to fix it?

GhostInTheMachine: again thx mate. I looked at the website, but still havent studied anatomy. Still testweek going on :rolleyes: . You are right about the boots too, i will fix those. And work on them a bit more.

SEL: thanks for the compliments ! :bounce:

greetz Kam

04-11-2005, 06:38 PM
yeah.i think the lower portion of the body will have to be tweak..lenghten the waist abit,what u have for now seems like there's no gap between the thigh(crotch)and ofcourse the pelvis need to be make obvious..some anatomy references will do alot of help:)good luck mate

04-11-2005, 06:56 PM
i changed some stuff now, like making the legs a bit smaller, and also added more texture and detail.

And the skirt, dunno if i keep those leathery thingies on it. What you think?


04-12-2005, 09:59 PM
Hey guys, i detailed the whole thing some more, and changed stuff.
Here is the full resolution i am working on:

EDIT: OOOPS, bit too big, here is still a 50% resolution one with full resolution link under it:



04-13-2005, 10:12 AM
Amazing work on phoenix sketch ! good luck

04-13-2005, 09:17 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1113423419_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1113423419_large.jpg)

Ok , now i am almost there with the body, though still the trickiest part still has to be done. Yeh the head, i hope i can manage to make a good one, weīll see.

Tell me what you think of the body till now? Any suggestions? :)

04-13-2005, 09:26 PM
you're really good at your edit-painting style but every now and then the lack of basics shines trough, mostly with your figures. the wrist seems fat, you're lacking the dynamic appeal of a human hand, how the arm slims up and then widens for the actual hand. it's all the same chubby in your painting. the same with legs, the knees generally show a lot more anatomical fidlety than your painting has.

04-13-2005, 09:33 PM
thanks kinnas, i will work more on the arms and legs :)

04-13-2005, 10:34 PM
wow, your sketch is really interresting. nice concept.. and your detailed work so far is great!
I wish you good

04-14-2005, 04:01 PM
thx eparts! :)

But guys, i want to hear a true 'cold blooded' answer. I know my anatomy is really bad, because i have never really studied anatomy or even drew many humans.
But do you think that what i have now is really bad?, or is it still fixable, meaning that it doesnt really has big proportional mistakes and stuff like that.

I am asking this because i am scared that i have been waitsing my time detailing something that doesnt even looks good. :sad:

04-14-2005, 04:11 PM
I agree that the arms and legs need some work. Her arm looks flat and too wide at the wrist and the proportion of her legs are off a bit, they seem a bit chubby in some places. I also think there are some perspective issues with he right leg. Keep it up man, this should be kick ass once you tweek it a bit.

04-14-2005, 05:45 PM
Thank you The_Dave, i will indeed fix what you just mentioned, hehe i will fix bit by bit thanks to the critiques and till it looks almost perfect :) :) :)

04-14-2005, 07:00 PM
This is looking lke a lovely concept, I'm eager to see how the phoenix comes together, as it looked beautiful on your earlier concpet sketches. As for the master's body, it looks to be pretty much there or thereabouts. certainly take on board the issues with her wrist, and maybe work in a bit more detail on the knee on the right leg. It may just be the way the light hits the boot, but her right legs seems to be twisted inwards a little too much considering the direction the left one is pointing.

Other than that, I love it... costume design is awesome, as is your ability to render different textues successfully. Keep it up!

04-15-2005, 10:57 AM
wow, cool cloth, and nice colors..

good luck :)

04-17-2005, 10:45 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1113731113_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1113731113_large.jpg)

Damn , i really have a hard time drawing human faces. After few days of studying them i finally got something that looks like a face, though its still a bit weird i think.
So, any proīs out there that can help me? :P

04-17-2005, 12:19 PM
im no pro ;) but i think this looks really good. just soften the shadow on the left eye a little, define the nostrils, lessen the wrinkles on her neck (it looks too old for her) and add a tiny hint of 'fatness' to the neck/under-chin area.
looking good and the eye and lips are cool. well done! :thumbsup:

04-17-2005, 12:21 PM
w00t thx mate! :)

i will work on the things u mentioned!
Have a nice day.

Oh and btw, i need to mak a choise between blond,red or dark hair.
Blond kinda looks cool with all the fire
Red looks cool with the clothes and color scheme.
Dark suits her face.

04-17-2005, 12:35 PM
hmm... she looks like a dark hair girl, like you say... but since the hair will be very contrasty (itll look dark where hidden from the light even when blonde) i'd try a dark hair with strong highlights from the pheonix' light.

do a few samples. gl :thumbsup:

04-17-2005, 04:02 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1113750165_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1113750165_large.jpg)

Hmm, this is the whole picture, 12,5% of the full resolution.

Seeing the full image at once, u can notice more anatomy flaws.
One thing that i noticed is that it seems that she still hasnt got a pelvis, hehe

I would appreciate if you guys helped me out with finding more anatomy flaws.
Thank you very much!
Greetz Kam

04-17-2005, 04:47 PM
Dude, looking great. The composition is definately working and the colours works too. Very nice in detailing dude.
About her anatomy, I think her tigths are big and the overall legs are a little long. The reason why she seem to not have a pelvis, i think is because you are not giving her enough curves on the hip part. You don't see that separate between the pelvis and the rib cage. Her body is too straight. Oh and her head is a tad bit small for her body. Try drawing an S curve starting from the head to the toe, because you kinda have that contraposto pose going on.
Other than that, can't wait to see the pheonix dude. Your work is looking really nice.

I hope this helps a little bit.

04-18-2005, 07:01 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1113847312_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1113847312_large.jpg)

hehe , learnd something coool today at school in the drawing class. Itīs probably the most basic technique on anatomy but itīs new to me.

Well, we learnd that the body excist out of 8 pieces, each one as big as the head.
It seems that i have got too long arms. Take a look at the research image.

Greetz Kam.

04-21-2005, 03:17 PM
Heya dude! I'm metalpiss from deviantart, don't know if you know or remember me. But aniway, I think it's great what you did so far. I'll be very happy if you'll win the great prize. A 17 year old dude beating all those pros :D. In fact, I think that you and me are the only 17 year old dudes in this challenge that are willing to finish their entries. Mabye you will have a little time some day to take a look at my humble entry (link in my sig) and tell me your opinion and crits?
Good luck!

04-21-2005, 06:08 PM
Love the phoenix - very dynamic and fiery!

04-26-2005, 12:46 AM
hi kamjar. i thought id do a quick sketch.


its mostly changed in the way she is seated, more obviously on the pheonix. all the proportions are pretty much correct, i think. hope its useful
gl with it :thumbsup:

04-26-2005, 05:26 AM
thank you very much!! :)

I will deffinetly use this! Thanks for all the support mate!

Cheers Kam.

05-01-2005, 08:16 PM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1114974953_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1114974953_large.jpg)

OK, my holidays have begun!!

I really got to get this done faster, because the phoenix is still remaining...

Well, the master is looking better and better in my opinion. At this stage, i am more than happy with what i have reached.
But still there are flaws.
Like the arm, it looks too long, and her right leg looks too skinny?

I could use some more help. please :)

GhostInTheMachine: I decided not to change her pose yet, maybe when i got some extra time left. But i greatly appreciate your help!

cheers Kam.

05-01-2005, 08:36 PM
Very realistic painting, very well done! wonderful!


05-01-2005, 09:27 PM
good work mate. the face is really good, perhaps its a little wrong in places but it has 'life' - so you can get away with small inaccuracies. well done! :D

ed - make the hand a little more slender, reduce the wrinkles (looks like she's just finished washing the dishes!), and make her fingernails thinner. gl

05-01-2005, 10:05 PM
Nother 17 year old here. Great work and I admire your dedication. Wish I had more time to work on mine, but ill get it finished none the less. Although you have a better concept than me, keep it up gonna check back later!

05-02-2005, 11:34 AM
The face is awsome. Don't know what else to say. Mabye add another light source with a different color from the left side, so there will be some thin reflections on her body. Aniway, good job. :thumbsup:

05-02-2005, 12:04 PM
it's very beautiful. I like how u added details like moles on her chest and legs. Just one little comment. Her left knee can have a little more defenition. Kinda flat at the moment. :thumbsup:

05-04-2005, 12:04 AM
http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1115161481_medium.jpg (http://www.cgnetworks.com/challenge/entries/8/6995/6995_1115161481_large.jpg)

I finnaly started working on the phoenix again, and boy i am pretty proud! : - )
After studying fire for a couple of hours, because i definnetly wanted to improve the effect than the concept work i did, i managed to get some good looking flames.

Some new ideas:
The girl touches the phoenix in the chest, then the body of the phoenix turns into fire. Flowing from the chest to the end. So i decided that the phoenix is going to be half fire and half flesh. I think it would give a cool effect, after all, we dont wanna see 3/4 of the picture covered with flames : - )

There are still some problemes with the bones of the phoenix, i will fix that later.
But feel free to give me some more crits :)
Because i have enjoyed them all, thank you CGTalk for the support :)

Cheers Kam

05-04-2005, 10:19 AM
TIME IS RUNNING OUT! panic ! panic " :scream:

05-04-2005, 05:16 PM
yes indeed PANIC!

man, i have serious problemeswith the anatomy of the girl! Just a couple of minutes ago someone told me that the head= 1/7 of the body! But all this time i was using head=1/8 of the body. I am really screwed this time. 1/8 went wrong already, but 1/7 makes me wanna cry.

If i keep using 1/8, all i need to do is alter the arms, the leggs and someother minor changes. But i dont know what to do with 1/7.

here take a look. And maybe, be really generous and help me hand? You people already helped me alot though. And i am very thankfull!


05-05-2005, 03:38 AM
whoa~~havent been checking into ur thread for awhile and u pregressed that much..the firery effect is very welldone,very slick and clean overall rendering ..keep it up man..would love to see the final product soon:)

05-05-2005, 03:07 PM
All I can say is absolutely beautiful work! The Phoenix looks fantastic and the girl looks great! I look forward to seeing this one completed!:thumbsup:

05-05-2005, 07:52 PM
I finnaly started working on the phoenix again, and boy i am pretty proud! : - )

hey u should be, the fire looks really good !:thumbsup:

05-05-2005, 08:17 PM
Reapse: Thanks mate, also great to see more people from my age competing with me! Offcourse i wish you alot of good luck!

Dimmur: Thank you very much. Yes i worked alot on the face, though the body is still pissing me of with all its mistakes :(. About the other light sources. I still havent did the lighting yet. Only some basic light from the right where the phoenix is. I am going to wait till i draw out the whole composition, then i will add the lights :)

nailuj: Thanks :) ! Yeh i love drawing in details. Maybe i shouldnt have, because now i am running out of time ;). And yes i will fix the knee, it also looks twisted. Thanks for the comment!

ms@zx: Thank you for visiting my thread again. Also thank you for the compliments! :D Really needed them right now!

fensterer: Thanks you! I love your entry too man! It looks really great, and the concept is really good! Keep it up!

Squibbit: Great! Thanks for the compliment! :) Have a nice day!

Cheers Kam!

05-05-2005, 08:47 PM
it so hot here.:bounce: :buttrock:
beware ur fire burning other's site.:D
great work.
will wait 4 ur update.

05-05-2005, 11:29 PM
Thank you xric7! Happy you find it hot! Cus i find your work HOT too! :D

here is a lil update, still havent done the lighting on the girl or anything. just put them together. also the effect of the hand on the phoenix will be improved.


05-05-2005, 11:52 PM
lookin real good so far man, im excited to see the end result. keep up

05-06-2005, 12:19 AM
supercool dude! the fire fx u have are really good. maybe you could try some 'hard' texturing on the woman's armor etc. realism would be added by hard shadows here, but i dont know if that would suit. play on! :D

05-06-2005, 01:06 AM
whoooaaa... wow, beautiful characters & awesome-flaming-whatever-that-thing-is... i like the atmosphere too... hmmm, wait, i thnk that right claw is a lil small, or is that really that far from the left, jst curious... overall, its a great job... & you say you're just 17, mhen... m stl stuck w/ prismacolor & watercolor when i was that age... be back for more :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05-06-2005, 10:57 AM
Reapse: Thx mate, nice to hear that! :)

GhostInTheMachine: Thx :) yes, i will try your ideas. But i think first i need to get the anatomy right, then i can start detailing again. Thx for your support though :)

arkinet: :D thx !! And that flaming thingy is going to be a phoenix :). I think you are right about the claw. Its a bit too small. I should fix that too! Thx for noticing!

Since i have been working on the screen resolution of 1280x960, i noticed that on other resolutions my drawing is very streched :( so she looks kinda... you know.. fat.

So maybe i should fix that later.

05-06-2005, 11:43 AM
Excellent work for a person of any age...........seventeen is gob smacking!

You have a lovely effect here, but some cast shadow with a hint of blue would really punch this out for you.

Looking good......keep it up.


05-08-2005, 06:46 PM
oh damn, that closeup is so loveley. simply rocks! keep it up, love the details and the light, everything.
maybe to help dynamic, just let her hair fly a slight bit? keep on rocking!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05-08-2005, 06:48 PM
holy!!...amazing looking fire, man!:buttrock: ...this is great!:thumbsup:

05-09-2005, 01:28 AM
Interesting--fire effects will play a major role in my entry, too. Yours, especially around the limbs, do look very realistic.

Not an issue, just an idea: because of the lights, viewers might be strongly drawn to the right part of the composition. Maybe you want to nudge the viewer's focus a bit more to the middle?

:) <- Lutz

05-14-2005, 12:35 PM

Darn it , we dont have much time anymore. I am very busy with school these days, and its really important :(

Bu't i'll do my best to finnish this painting before the deadline.

Well, here is a lil update, did some anatomy fixes, colors, details and added some fancy stuff.
It looks a bit messy right now, but i will clean it up.
I hope you like it already :)

ps: Thanks for the great comments and support you people give me!

Greetz Kam

05-14-2005, 12:53 PM
Here a very good work, love the colours, and love the phoenix too, good luck

05-14-2005, 01:47 PM
love ur phoenix and his flame a lot.
good luck to u.:)

05-14-2005, 03:17 PM
I didn't pay attention at your thread before and it was a mistake. MAybe because I saw a girl (beautiful)and I thought "just another girl". But it's not just another girl. She is really beautiful with good pose and expression. And the lighting and colors of your scene are really incredibles. Wow I had just to apologie to have been so late in your thread.


05-14-2005, 04:21 PM
looking good! great lighting!


05-14-2005, 05:39 PM
wow man

loved the phoenix :D
keep on it

05-14-2005, 05:43 PM
This is the first time I've seen the girl and phoenix together and all I can say is that this looks sweet! I love that fire effect you produced. Awesome work!:buttrock: :buttrock:

05-14-2005, 06:26 PM
as i told you on msn bruv this is proof that you are getting well better :d you paint so clean , you know what i mean by that , if you look at kais work is stunning but hes very ruff with strokes as you used to be your now pulling away from that and this by the looks of it is very clean soft edges :D are you drawing a phoenixq in this ???

05-14-2005, 08:01 PM
Paul Davidson: thank you very much for commenting on my work :) And i used your advice on adding some blue in the lighting! It looks much better, i will still improve it.

the1st_angel: Thanks for the reply! :) i added a part of the floating hair. It's still not finnished, i have still some ideas with the hair, i hope it turns out ok.

eclipson: Thanks for the comment, its very nice of you :)

lutzw: Hey there, cool, i know how har it is to make fire, i wish you good luck with it! I will see what i can do with the focus point, somehow i want both the phoenix and the girl to be the focus point.
ilusiondigital:Thanks mate for the complimenst! :bounce:

xric7: Thank you again for the comment, it's greatly appreciated!

authentic: Oh that is very nice of you to say. To be honest, at the beginning i was thiinking the same thing. But with the help of the community its turning better and better :)
I am really glad you like the piece!

gordonm: Thansk for commenting mate, glad you liked it!

maozao: Awesome :), i'll try and improve it more :)

fensterer: Great! i was kinda scared the phoenix and the girl wouldnt fit together. Glad you like it :)

phoenixq: Hehe thanks you phoenixq, you are right, my style is getting better now, although , i think kais style is just because he draws fast. He doesnt had that much time you know :P , i think, if he really put much time in his work, he would make something astonishing! :buttrock:

Cheers Kam

05-14-2005, 08:09 PM
u r an overtalented 17 year old monster:D , seriously great work ,when i saw the thumbnail i thought somebody made balrog, but this... very final fantasy:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05-14-2005, 09:46 PM
Whoa... i have not seen this is a while. Sorry for missing some of the coolest update you had. Anyway, it looks great. I really like the fire effect you have and the details on her outfit. AWESOME JOB DUDE. Keep it up.

cheers :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05-15-2005, 09:52 AM
Kamjar...... Quite a beautiful piece,a real vibrant touch, and intensity to it many times over.....Great fire effect,lighting and a very clean line to all your lines......I will look for the final.and wish you the best in you're last touch up work....really a nice job.....:thumbsup:

05-15-2005, 10:47 AM
nebezial: Thank you for commenting on my work! I love your entry! :) Heh thanks for the compliment! And yes it looks kinda like balrog with all the fire, but believe me, there is going to be more fire than that! :P

Arc80: Hey Arc80! Thank you for visiting my thread again. Hehe , it has improved from the first few steps hasnt it? Hehe i am kinda ashamed by some mistakes i made on the girl's early stages. :blush:

Virtuoso: Hello. Thank you for your kind words :) Glad you liked it. I liked your entry too! It's Amazing!

Hey guys, my computer is starting to slow down. The file is getting a bit too big.
The final image will be 25% of the original resolution ( 2500x3536 300 dpi ).

Since the full resolution is very detailed too, i wanted to ask if that would affect the image when its printed.?

Cheers Kam

05-15-2005, 10:53 AM
your flames are indeed impressive. thats awesome you sat and watched fire for hours so you could paint it better. congrats! im confused though... are you going to go in later and give the current phoenix wings? is it going to stay looking like it is? cause right now, i have no idea what shes even touching... im guessing youre going to make it like the concept sketch right? well, i look forward to this one. should be pretty well done when it is finished. good luck!

05-15-2005, 10:58 AM
Belhaven: Yes offcourse :) , The phoenix will have a head, wings, tail etc. Dont worry, it is turing out pretty good :)
Everything else isnt finnished either.. but thank you for commenting! :thumbsup:

Cheers kam

05-15-2005, 08:52 PM
Nice going bro, keep up the goodwork. Less than 3days left for you! I like your new painting a lot and think it's a pitty when u dont make it at the deadline. You have improved a lot and your fireworks are amazing. But next time be a bit more careful with the fire lol, you almost blow our house in ze air. With all these gas u have into you, it's a risk to observe a fire this close to u. Same risk as you are taking with the deadline. But for the rest, im really proud of you. You have a great future coming =)

05-15-2005, 09:03 PM
thats simply amazing. great work. i hope ure going into an art career!:thumbsup:

05-15-2005, 11:13 PM
Arecal: Hey lil bro. Thanks for the kind words..... how come? :D , no but thanks, i wish you good luck too with your work!

Mordalles: Thank you very much Mordalles, and yes offcourse i want a job in art =D Just dont know as what yet. I was thinking something like concept artist or something, but i am afraid there are few jobs for that. So i guess i want to learn 3d too. Maybe i combine the two with eachother, i think that would make some cool results :P

Cheers Kam!

Btw: i am almost finnished with the phoenix! I did the tail, now i need to do the head and wings part. Then i will perfectionise everything. I got some problemes with the girl's legs and some other minor stuff.
I hope i get this thing done before the deadline! :sad:

05-15-2005, 11:20 PM
Hurry up dude. Now that i'm finish with mine. I'm here to bug everyone on the thread :twisted:

cheers dude :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05-15-2005, 11:21 PM
Ok,,this is just beautifoul.If you dont get any recognition or any award,than I'm
,I'm,I dont know,,,this is one of best 2d entrys I came across.
Good luck.And please try to finish it,cos...well. :thumbsup:

05-15-2005, 11:33 PM
Here is my work in progress so far.
I am working on the tail right now, itīs almost finnished.

I decided to repaint some of the legs, because they dont fit with the anatomy.

I know this image is very small, itīs 25% of the original resolution. But this way you get a better view of the composition. The final size will be decided later on.

Cheers Kam

05-15-2005, 11:36 PM
It's gorgeous. Very evocative colours and a wonderful flow. If I have anything other than praise, it's that her right hand (on our left side) looks a little awkward. Perhaps if you moved the elbow down a little and spread her fingers out instead, in a more relaxed pose, it could help? Maybe even change the position of the arm and not make it pull in at the waist and instead stretch out as if she's using it for balance?

I know how difficult these things are so feel free to ignore me :] It's already very beautiful!

05-16-2005, 09:58 AM
it looks awsome verry good work i love the part where the hand meets the flaming bird it on of the best entrys i have seen for now imo its the best :thumbsup: :bounce:


05-16-2005, 10:11 AM
omg kam il looks just fine to me i love the part where the hand meets the fire some realy good fire tech good job and indeed hurry to finish it but i know u will make it imo its one of the best i have seen so far


05-16-2005, 10:20 AM
It's gorgeous. Very evocative colours and a wonderful flow. If I have anything other than praise, it's that her right hand (on our left side) looks a little awkward. Perhaps if you moved the elbow down a little and spread her fingers out instead, in a more relaxed pose, it could help? Maybe even change the position of the arm and not make it pull in at the waist and instead stretch out as if she's using it for balance?

I know how difficult these things are so feel free to ignore me :] It's already very beautiful!

in my oppinoin it looks good this way its one of the best ones out there i love all the parts comming togheter and make on big image and on every part there is somthing to see

good job kam


05-16-2005, 10:27 AM
The phoenix is comming out amazing, im looking forward to seeing the finished Phoenix... but as Enayla said, the right hand could use some tweaking... other then that its perfect!

05-16-2005, 11:23 AM
dude your only 17? bloddy hell!!! I wish I was that good at 17. thats funny that you made your avatar into a guy. man this is looking absolutely beautiful!!! great job man!!:scream: gotta shout so you can hear me. we re so far away from eachother. well its bed time....

05-16-2005, 11:53 AM
You are painting her legs?
If I was you I'd try to make her right hand bit longer,shee seem short.
Or just make stronger hint in some way that theyr shorter due to space illusion and perspective.Other,reached hand is god,but think that elbow is to close to the shoulder,you should move it a bit to the palm,to fenix.Hope you understand my words.I dont critique to
giv you some troubles,just from my heart,way I see this could make your piece masterpiece.
maybe im wrong.
So hands and feet.Other than that,fenix,,makes me :cry: ,,
Sooo beautyfoul.Man.
As far I'm concerned,I have winner in 2D.Great.Good luck.And dont play with noth finishin it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05-16-2005, 12:01 PM
Yeah,one more thing.Think this image thouched me so much cos your girl really,and I mean really reminds me on my girlfriend. :cry: To beautyfoul.
FINISH IT.And if you could one day send me full size image,compressed.with your autogram.sign.
I would aprecciate it much.Anyway,Seeya friend. :thumbsup:

05-16-2005, 12:14 PM
This is looking awesome man.

05-16-2005, 12:34 PM
First of all, thank you all for the awesome replies. They were all very flattering! :love:

So nice of you to take some time and look at my image, i am so glad you liked it so far :). I will certainly use your critiques. I think you are right with the right arm. It looks a bit weird, becuase i change it constantly. I will try and fix it, but first i need to finnish the rest, becuase i dont have much time anymore!

Hey thx for the replies! I am happy you like the image. I am also glad you liked the fire, it took me alot of time to do.

Hey Silver, thanks you for visiting my thread and drop a reply! I know the hand looks weird as i said. I will try and fix it :) I wished there was more time.

Thank you so much for the kind words :). Hehe my avatar, well i didnt know what to do with it, so i decided to give it a whole makeover lol. It's supposed to be Obi-Wan with the beard lol.

A I R:
Thank you A I R, i really appreciate your comments! I will certainly take your crits in mind! I will do my best to finnish it, to bad i have so much homework, i guess i just have to put that aside hehe.
What a coincidence that the girl looks like your girlfiriend. I will deffinetly send you a full-version of the image when it's done :)

Thanks you for the nice reply, glad you liked it :)

Cheers Kam, now i gtg back to work!

05-16-2005, 04:01 PM
very cool !!!:thumbsup:

05-16-2005, 04:28 PM
Thank you Vityaz' ! :)

Hey guys, i made some changes:
I added more fire.
I repainted some parts of the legs , and fixed the proportion mistakes ( hmm dont know if it looks better though )
I added more light from the phoenix to the character.

I also tried flipping the whole picture horizontaly, i noticed that it really changes the whole image, it makes it more dynamic in my opinion, although it looks a bit weird.
Tell me wich one you like best, thank you :applause:


Other stuff i need to do are:

Finnish the hair.
Paint the ground, probably going to be sand with rocks, with nice lighting.
Make some smoke near the legs because of the fire.
Finnish the phoenix wings, head and add detail fire, like sparks etc.

Eventually fix the arms of the girl, if i still got time. :scream:

Cheers Kam

05-16-2005, 10:23 PM
i like this beautiful pic, the anbiance is great and the painting too. The work on the lighting is very good. Good luck for this challenge

05-17-2005, 05:36 AM
Thanks MDN67, I was curious what people thought about the mood and lighting, now i know some like it :)

Thanks for the reply!
Cheers Kam

05-17-2005, 05:49 AM
some changes, I added the ground, the smoke.

I also did some tail thingies that go around the legs of the girl, so the two look more together.

i gtg to school now :(

05-17-2005, 06:00 AM
Wa sup dude. Just be careful that it's getting kinda confusing on what's going on on the left (buttom area) side of your image, like what part of the pheonix are those burning fires especailly that oval shape that's cut out of your page. Other than that, it looks great and i like what kind of emotion it's evoking when the viewere sees it.

cheers and goodluck :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05-17-2005, 06:10 AM
i know what you mean, this is caused because i flipped the image horizontaly. I dont know what to do, when itīs this way, the girl looks better, but the phoenix looks weird. And when its the other way, the phoenix looks better, but the girl looks boring.

What should i do?

05-17-2005, 06:33 AM
My suggestion, is to create a bit more of the way you made the tail. Do the same thing on the buttom left area, making it look like its coming toward the camera which will also give you a very nice flowing foreground. That will also cover that oval shape you got there.

I hope this helps.
cheers dude

05-17-2005, 06:49 AM
awesome work man..this is my favorite of all the entries..the mood and colors are top notch and u have a very cool style.. don't worry much about the anatomy problems, it will come with time and more practice..it looks good enough and the overall mood and feeling is what really matters

in my opinion it looked better before u flip it..it just looks more right..the fire kinda comes at u at the bottom right and leads the eye to the rest

best of luck to you.. you have my vote :thumbsup:

05-17-2005, 07:42 AM
i agree w/ archie... also, m not sure about her hair standing up, u know what i mean? but overall, this is a great image, good job & pls. hurry up:bounce: :bounce:

05-17-2005, 07:45 AM
.. jaw drops on the floor... drools... faints... :thumbsup:

05-17-2005, 08:38 AM
nice update.
looking great ambience.:thumbsup:
keep going.

05-17-2005, 03:15 PM
omg kammy u are getting there gogogogog :thumbsup: its even better now then the last i saw it

btw somting went wrong with the posts i made i think cuzz now there are 3 posts of me lookst stupid


05-17-2005, 03:48 PM
OH MAN!! :eek: there are AWESOME effects in this picture!! very good job!:bounce: :bounce:

Good luck and congratulations!

05-17-2005, 05:00 PM
WOW... so bright! a feast for the eye's.. beautifull work!

05-17-2005, 08:09 PM
forgive me asking.....i'm sort of a nub at this....the painting looks great...i wanteed to gonw if you want to tyell me...how do you make the flames look like that.....it's wonderfull!

05-17-2005, 09:27 PM

I knew this would happen, it always does! I got some unexpected tests @ school for this week. And i dont know if i will be able to finnish this in time anymore. :sad:
I dont know what to do....
i will try offcourse....


05-18-2005, 09:42 AM
Well do like me, dude: don't care about school. For instance, yesterday I had a big semester test paper, but I didn't gave a rat's butt about it and I didn't learned. I was painting my entry :P. And at the test I did surprisingly well, only from what I remembered. So forget about school and finish this, 'cause it's more important. imo...:D

05-18-2005, 03:14 PM
Well do like me, dude: don't care about school. For instance, yesterday I had a big semester test paper, but I didn't gave a rat's butt about it and I didn't learned. I was painting my entry :P. And at the test I did surprisingly well, only from what I remembered. So forget about school and finish this, 'cause it's more important. imo...:D

yes you are right! :p

I will work on my entry today till midnight. Too bad i cant work on it longer though.
Well i wish all other people good luck with theirs, and may the best one win :bowdown:

cheers Kam

05-18-2005, 08:00 PM
Really nice pic and amazing technic! congrats! :applause:

cheers: Kornél

05-18-2005, 09:08 PM
Hi Kamjar,
just dropped by to say thx for your comments to me during this challenge. Your work turned out to be very great, no crits! Hey c'mon, hurry up with your final image--you don't want to put all your previous effort to a waste, eh? ;)

I hope you can make it in time, it'd be such a pity. Good luck,
:) <- Lutz

05-18-2005, 11:09 PM
I Had to go sleep for five hours already... havent studied for a big test for tommorow, and i am stiill workin on the image.. ARGH my head is exploding!

man now i also need to write the story? no way, i do that later :)

05-18-2005, 11:16 PM
It's... It's... It's....


congratulation! you have a realy good image!:thumbsup:

05-19-2005, 12:00 AM
Final coloring. I wished i could work more on it, but i really need to go sleep.

I would love to hear some final crits for when i wake up, because then i still got a couple of hours to fix.

Thank you all for the great support!

cheers Kam

05-19-2005, 05:39 AM

Cheers Kam

05-19-2005, 08:50 AM
geeez what have u been breast fed wih cofee...lol im glad u made it mate, awesome work:thumbsup:

05-19-2005, 09:52 AM
i told u u would make it in time :thumbsup: :applause:

05-19-2005, 10:10 AM
Very well done.......congratulations, and good luck.


05-19-2005, 12:41 PM
very good. i like this work:thumbsup:

05-19-2005, 04:15 PM
First of all, thanks guys, for the great comments! :)

But I really wished i could have worked more on the image, i feel that i could have done a much better job.
But school is really killing me. Thatīs because i did a very bad job at the beginning of the year, and my leg was broken so i missed 3 weeks of the begin classses. Now all my homework is all piled up and all. I didnt had much free time to work on my image.

I am certainly going to do a lot better at the next challenge, i learned alot from this one. I am going to plan everything from the beginning.

After the judging, i will probably work on this image some more, till i am happy with it.
Oh yeah and everything is done with simple round brushes, besides the feathers. I used one of Enayla's brush. Thank you Enayla!

Well, for what itīs worth, here are some closeups of 100% and 50% of the original resolution, i particulary like how the girl turned out :):


05-19-2005, 06:15 PM
woooooooooooooooooooooowwww....how do you make the fire look like that??? :drool::drool:

05-19-2005, 06:27 PM
wonderful image!!
love it a lot.
congratulation.:applause: :wise: :thumbsup: :bounce: :buttrock: :wip:
best luck to u in this chalenge and ur school.:D

05-19-2005, 06:35 PM
This is really a nice pic, i like the work on the lighting, good work and good luck for the end

05-19-2005, 10:48 PM
woooooooooooooooooooooowwww....how do you make the fire look like that??? :drool::drool:

thx :)

I'll make a lil walktrough about it sometime soon.

Cheers Kam

05-20-2005, 03:08 AM
Really stunning image, sorry that I have not look at this in the beginning process... Good luck to you...and see you in the next challenge...peace!

05-20-2005, 03:14 AM
Now that's some very nice lighting you got going on here, wonderfull piece:thumbsup: congratulations

BTW your avatar scares me:D

05-20-2005, 06:04 AM
thank you :drool::drool:

05-20-2005, 07:29 AM
Congratulations!! Looks beautiful and nice colors!GoodLuck!:thumbsup: :applause:

05-20-2005, 06:55 PM
Kamjar.Wish you good luck.
The image is breathtaking.U'r one talented son of a gun :)
You know what I think. :thumbsup:

05-20-2005, 10:54 PM
very nice visual effect!!! I slobbered:thumbsup: !!! good luck! and sorry my english!

05-21-2005, 12:54 PM
Dude! I'm such a tool for missin' out on your thread. This stuff is amazing! Great dynamics in this piece (the colour and the composition). Wonderful feeling of energy and movement. And I love the design for the firey birdlike creature. Brilliant!

Good luck in the judging!


05-21-2005, 08:38 PM
Oh my god, this has turned out so well.. even in my wildest dreams I didn't expect this!
Outstanding, marvelous, wonderful, in your shoes! Pretty, beautiful, dripping teeth water mouth. Good job!!
Your nr. 1, your nr. 1, your nr. 1!!

Kamjar, you can send the 100 euro's by paypal..

-The stranger you hired, Arecal:thumbsup:

05-21-2005, 09:03 PM
O.....MY....GOD. this is absolutely WONDERFUL!!! congratulations on a very beautiful piece. I knew from the start that this was going to be wonderful. but this has completely surpassed what I had in my mind of the final image. well. Hope your your confident in your chances of taking the Boxx Worksation, because I am.

05-21-2005, 09:15 PM
hi Kamjar Fadai

beautiful image,congrats, always loved the concept of the Phoenix,
top class

my m-s 3D
the Hunchback

05-21-2005, 09:45 PM
Hey Kam, loved your work from the first glance and you finnished it most masterly. congrats on your final piece, it royally rocks! best of luck on final! wonderfull work, keep on rocking:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05-21-2005, 10:23 PM
awesome awesome phoenix! honestly i don't like the girl at all, but the bird is easily strong enough on its own to make this one a winner..

05-21-2005, 10:42 PM
not enough definition in the phoenix, needs more detailing , its a shame really for i know you rushed this to meet deadline and the painting has suffered for that fact ,. i think if you had more time it would be more defined etc.

I am in no way saying that this painting is not great , it shows great time skill and concentration . and i am glad to be looking at it now.

05-21-2005, 11:02 PM
Beautiful colors in your fiery bird...and a lovely concept as well. Glad to see you submitting.

Good luck!

05-21-2005, 11:02 PM
yah man. I thought that making brushes would be very time consuming but it really wasnt and it certainly pays of in the end. Have you seen prosrise's painting. he is all about that. thats the guy that inspired me to get into digital painting. his entry is really awesome. I only have about 5 custom brushes but if you have an email. Ill send them to you for to try out if you want them.

05-22-2005, 01:53 AM
Thank you so much for all the comments! I appreciate it very mich.

Hehe arecal, you wont get any money, you shouldnt write anything about the deal MAN! :wip:

And yes phoenixq, i agree, that is why i am going to work on this piece alot more after the judging. Iīll make sure it will look DONE this time :D

Monkeybeach: Oouch! well, atleast you like the phoenix :) thx!

Cheers Kam!

05-23-2005, 10:53 AM
congrats on the end piece. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

05-23-2005, 11:17 PM
That burd is great!!!
Wonderful work!

05-25-2005, 12:21 PM
thank you very much :love:

jugeras, yes this is the end piece for the challenge, though i am going to work on it more and submit it here on cgtalk when it's ready.

I think this can be improved alot!

cheers Kam

05-30-2005, 03:18 PM
nice work good luck

06-04-2005, 11:45 AM
thank you levent :)

uhm i am trying to get some free time to finnihs this piece for once and for all!

06-14-2005, 03:31 AM
cool fire effect.... cool image :)

07-02-2005, 10:03 PM
sry to see my favorite entry not getting anything..very disappointing because it is simply goregous..you have a very cool style and ur coloring is awesome..best luck to you in the next challenge

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