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D. Phoenix
09-27-2002, 06:06 AM
Hello, I'm seeking some input on my Chrysler Building model, a New York skyscrapper famous for its Art Deco style.

As it is based on a handful of blurry photographs, I will ask if it looks accurate enough, seeing as I do not have blueprints or many high-res reference photos to go on. Pretty much every chrysler building photo online has been scoured and scrutinized in this case.

http://www.phoenix-archetypes.com/3dgallery5/chryslerbuilding01sepiasmall.jpg

I don't feel this small render does the model/texturing justice regarding the level of detail in it so there is a larger version at:
Image Link (http://www.phoenix-archetypes.com/3dgallery5/chryslerbuilding01large.htm)

If anyone, by chance, happens to have a full blueprint of this building, I'd most appreciate any contribution for comparisons sake.

Regards,

-D. Phoenix
www.Phoenix-Archetypes.Com

frye
09-27-2002, 06:17 AM
Nice work, how much of that is modeled and how much is bump mapped?

PureFire
09-27-2002, 06:24 AM
Damn thats huge!!

Would like to see some real close ups

Viper
09-27-2002, 06:43 AM
Wow! Dak! That's really impressive! :thumbsup:

Is this part of a bigger project?

s2a-adamk
09-27-2002, 08:02 AM
agree - bump / displacement maps could really add some depth.
Too much chamfer on the edges, and not enough model detail at the top. Otherwise, nice. Good texutres and light. Looks like an old drawing.

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D. Phoenix
09-27-2002, 10:07 PM
Thanks for input

frye- it is almost all modeled, with the exception of the bricks, the main front doors, and a texture on the window panes(polygon saving measure due to large filesize already). There's already some bumpmapping on the bricks... difficult to see from this distance so here is a bit of a larger picture.

http://www.phoenix-archetypes.com/3dgallery5/Render-064a.jpg
http://www.phoenix-archetypes.com/3dgallery5/Render-066a.jpg

According to reference, the building is for the most part as flat as can be on the main surfaces... not sure where else any bump would go.

Viper - Hmm that is a good question. Perhaps I'll model all of Manhattan. Should take a few years ;)

good day :beer:

-D. Phoenix
www.Phoenix-Archetypes.Com

dmonk
09-27-2002, 10:28 PM
I love it, but close up it looks way too flat. Good job though. Try compositing it into a live shot then you'll really know how good it is if it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb.

Viper
09-27-2002, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by D. Phoenix
Viper - Hmm that is a good question. Perhaps I'll model all of Manhattan. Should take a few years ;)

Well, you never know! :D

I love the cables btw....add a nice touch to it :) And you shuold do what dmonk said....try to composite it in a real picture! ;)

xynaria
09-28-2002, 12:45 AM
Very impressive but something is niggling me about this. I only know the building from photographs and a quick search led to this which makes me think that the colouring around the windows is way too dark which is posibly why to me it is reading wrong.
http://www.nyctourist.com/wallpaper_chrysler.htm

:)

jfornasar
09-28-2002, 06:16 AM
Really nice work.
I stared at this building for several years while attending Baruch College (CUNY).
The top of the building is very reflective.
On a sunny day, during the afternoon, the top is very silver, white bright.
During sunrise and sunset, the top glows with a firey gold-orange color.

D. Phoenix
09-28-2002, 09:16 AM
dmonk- oh boy... I gave it a shot. Aside from a cloud background, It's not a composite but a purely CG shot.

All of the other buildings are fictional and I just sort of stuck them in something vaguely 1930s style. I'm sure jfornasar knows this already.

The first picture is the original render with filmgrain and the shine up top done in photoshop.

The second is the same one but with some color correction to simulate and old faded photograph, circa 1960 or so.

http://www.phoenix-archetypes.com/3dgallery5/chryslercolor01.jpg

http://www.phoenix-archetypes.com/3dgallery5/chryslercolor02.jpg

It's too bad this building is overshadowed by larger buildings around it these days. These depict it as it should be, towering over local buildings.

-D. Phoenix

Stimpy
09-28-2002, 12:43 PM
nice. i especially like the upper one of those pics...

one thing though which is bugging me, especially in those close-ups you posted earlier are the windows...

they are just brown. try to make them reflective and give them a nice blueish reflection map, like some clouds or something like that...

this is the only pic i could find which somehow demonstrates what i mean, though its easier to see in the building in the front (obviously): http://www.wirednewyork.com/landmarks/chrysler/images/chrysler_hyatt.jpg

and i think the blueish color looks MUCH better then the brown you had earlier..

NICE ONE.. :)

Matt
09-28-2002, 01:00 PM
I think you should change your depth of field and blurring, and lower the values a lot...

In real life, pictures aren't blurred like that much.

piajartist
10-02-2002, 12:22 AM
a really nice outer appearance with the texture and all the windows and appropiate colors. Do you have a wireframe?

iayestaran
10-02-2002, 01:29 AM
Hey Phoenix! Looks pretty good. Actually I live right next to the Chrysler and happen to have some highres photos I take on my way to work. Feel free to use them for reference. They should come in handy specially with some of the finishing touches. enjoy!!!


http://www.pbase.com/iayestaran/chrysler

iayestaran
10-02-2002, 01:31 AM
P.S. by the way, let me know if there's a specific area of the bldg you need reference of, and I'll be more than happy to snap a few photos for you.

Stimpy
10-02-2002, 02:04 AM
iayestaran: i sure enjoyed those pictures too.. especially that "dusk" one.. very nice atmosphere.

D. Phoenix
10-02-2002, 08:00 AM
iayestaran - Hey thanks a lot! These are great photos and are most helpful and I can already see some details I've missed earlier (especially that one set of gargoyles on the lower levels). Going to do some revisions this weekend. :airguitar

piajartist - Here's a wireframe. As you can see there are a lot of dense sections, namely the eagles and the spire. Now at about 277,000 faces or so.

http://www.phoenix-archetypes.com/3dgallery5/chryslerwire1.jpg

http://www.phoenix-archetypes.com/3dgallery5/chryslerwire2.jpg


-D. Phoenix

iayestaran
10-02-2002, 03:43 PM
here's another page that might come in handy....

http://www.pbase.com/wtcny/chrysler_building_under_construction

good luck

seanr
10-25-2002, 09:36 PM
Absolutely fabulous! I think you need to post this at scifi-meshes.com.

criztu
10-26-2002, 06:53 AM
D.phoenix, i like your bulding, it should appear in simcity; i also like your homepage, why dont you let people collect your images ? i am collecting images from sites/artists i like, and study them, but you disabled right click. if l'd wanted to steal your work, this wouldn't prevent me from it, anyway, you could put your name on your images, this way is easier for me to organize images by artist's name, and you make your name easier to remember, if one is to search for your homepage on the internet.

i see there are some pictures i can rightclik 'em, though

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